Tony Rathman Interview: Exploring Staticom 3.0 and Spirit Communication

Join Logan and Nicole on Generation X Paranormal as they interview Tony Rathman, founder of Entity Voices Paranormal Investigations. Tony discusses his groundbreaking Staticom 3.0 technology, which captures clear spirit voices without relying on radio frequencies, AI, or word banks. Discover how this innovation is transforming paranormal investigations and providing compelling evidence of spirit communication.

After 15 years of paranormal research and building 14 different spirit boxes, Tony discovered something revolutionary: spirits weren't using radio fragments to communicate—they were using white noise. This realization led him to create a closed system that produces remarkably clear, intelligent responses that skeptics can't dismiss as radio interference.

The evidence Tony shares is stunning. We hear spirits speaking in complete sentences, correctly identifying objects they couldn't see, answering questions in different languages, and even expressing surprise when they realize humans can hear them. Most compelling is when Tony asks, "How do you hear me speak?" and receives the profound response: "Energy of the mind."

Tony explains the science behind Staticom using principles of energy, frequency, and vibration—the same fundamentals that allow radios to produce speech without vocal cords. The technology leverages stochastic resonance to make otherwise undetectable signals detectable, filtering out white noise to leave only the voices behind.

The implications extend beyond paranormal research. Tony believes Staticom could help solve cold cases by providing investigators with new leads when conventional methods have been exhausted. While spirits seem bound by "universal laws" that prevent them from revealing future events, they appear unrestricted when discussing the past.

Whether you're a dedicated paranormal investigator or a curious skeptic, this conversation challenges conventional understanding about consciousness, communication, and what might exist beyond our physical world. Visit EntityVoices.com to learn more about this technology that may finally bridge the gap between the living and those who have crossed over.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introducing Staticom Technology
• 4:13 Meet Tony Rathman and Entity Voices
• 12:05 From Skeptic to Believer: Tony's Journey
• 25:35 Evolution of Spirit Box Technology
• 42:18 How Spirits Communicate Through White Noise
• 48:39 Understanding Energy, Frequency and Vibration
• 1:06:07 Incredible Voice Clarity in Staticom 3.0
• 1:21:37 Potential Applications for Cold Cases
• 1:24:54 The Future of Staticom Technology

Transcript

Tony Rathman: 0:00

So Staticom, which was direct radio voice. The changes we made were A we removed the radio. Why? Any skeptic, any scientist is going to say to you you're using a device that brings in communication speech and you're claiming you're getting speech from the other side. How do you determine reception from deception? Great point, I mean. That made total sense. Thank you.

Logan Mathias: 1:13

Well, hey everybody, welcome back. Hey everyone, I'm Logan and I'm Nicole and we are Generation X Paranormal. So we've got yet another wonderful show. Always, always. I didn't say fantastic, and I didn't say Fantastic's my word.

Nicole Mathias: 1:27

That's right, that's what I use.

Logan Mathias: 1:29

At least I'm not saying 30,000 foot view. That's true. That's for you, mark, that's a shout out for Mark and Jim and Tina and everybody else who gave me a hard time at Paracon. Yes, guys, I know I say 30,000 foot view a lot. It is what it is. I can't help it. I've said fly over now a little bit, maybe that makes it better. I don't know.

Nicole Mathias: 1:52

No, not really.

Logan Mathias: 1:54

Fair enough. But listen, we've got a great show. We've got Tony Rathman on and he's got some interesting. He's got a very interesting way of talking to well, really just recording paranormal events.

Nicole Mathias: 2:08

So tell us a little something about tony so tony rathman is the founder and lead investigator of entity voices paranormal investigations, located in phoenix, arizona, and has spent the last 15 years fascinated with instrumental trans communication, research and building spirit boxes to discovering the truths about spirits, entities and life after death. Tony specializes in spirit communication through both EVP and ITC, also known as instrumental trans communication, and today focuses on the groundbreaking technology called Staticom, derived from the European methodology of ITC, known as direct radio voice.

Logan Mathias: 2:48

Nice. I like the way he says Staticom, the way I say yeah, you went Staticom. It's like should I hire you for like an ad or something.

Nicole Mathias: 2:57

I'm available.

Logan Mathias: 3:00

Let's talk to Tony. Well, hey, Tony, how you doing.

Tony Rathman: 3:04

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on, looking forward to this conversation. It's a pleasure to be here.

Logan Mathias: 3:09

Awesome, no, we're excited. Welcome to Generation X Paranormal. We definitely have been excited to talk to you because I think that anybody who does any kind of paranormal research typically knows that you kind of have your regular analog devices and you take with you and you know, for lesser better, some work, some don't, some are good, some are bad. And then we've kind of ushered into the new age of ITC and we've ushered into, you know, people can bring phones with them and they have different apps. You know, like obviously the big one of being GhostTube and things like that. And I know that with this particular, this particular vertical in our little world can get a little bit dicey and some people have certain feelings for it, some people don't. But hopefully we can kind of dispel a lot of that and just kind of get to the meat and potatoes of what you got going on. But kind of before we jump into that, do you mind giving our audience a little bit of a kind of a background from you and kind of what got you to this point?

Tony Rathman: 4:15

Sure. Well, we've been now involved in paranormal investigation and ITC research for 15 years investigation and ITC research for 15 years. Back in 2010, my father was a physics professor and I didn't believe any of this. There was no talk about spirits, ghosts, I mean. I would ask a simple question, like Dad why is the sky blue? And he'd say well, there's water vapor in the air. When it gets hit by the sunlight, Blue is the most reflective color. That color reflects out onto the atmosphere and makes the sky look blue.

Tony Rathman: 4:52

So everything to me growing up was scientific answers which are correct. I mean, don't get me wrong, Science holds a very astute place in the environment and they, scientists, determine behavior, future behavior, based on certain situations. But it doesn't explain what something is. So when we started, my wife is the one who had the interest. I did not, and the TV shows just started to come out and she watched every single one of them, and every time she was watching, she's like come on, come on, come, sit with me, You've got to see this, You're going to love it. I would last about two minutes and say, no, this isn't real, None of this exists, this is for TV only. And I'd get up and I'd walk away.

Tony Rathman: 5:49

Well then, in 2010, it was Valentine's Day weekend and normally her and I would go to a hotel we're in Arizona, so even in February you can swim We'd have drinks, have a great weekend. And she said I want to do something different. I said, okay, what do you want to do? She goes, I want to go ghost hunting. And I was like, oh my God, are you kidding me? I had two choices I could take her or I could have her mad at me until next Valentine's day. So I didn't want that Valentine's Day. So I didn't want that. So I did some research online, found a hotel in downtown Phoenix that had a reputation supposedly in my mind anyway that was haunted. So I said, okay, I booked it for the weekend. I thought I'm done. And then she was watching a show a couple days before and I noticed they had all these gadgets and I'm like, ah, she's going to need this stuff.

Tony Rathman: 6:47

So I went out and I bought her a night vision camera, a digital recorder and an EMF meter. I figured that'll get her through the weekend, because I figured, after we were done, this stuff would sit in the closet for a year or two until we threw it away. Well, anyway, so we went. She had a great time. I played along like I was having fun too. I was asking questions for the digital recorder. I was also taking pictures, if she was videotaping, so you know, I played along the best I could. She had fun. That was all I care about.

Tony Rathman: 7:22

When we got home, though, she started going through everything the photos, the video, the digital recording. She was calling me over every two to three minutes. Whose voice is this? You and I were the only one. Up at two in the morning, three in the morning, there were only two other guests in the entire 312-room hotel, so nobody was around, and we were in parts of the hotel we probably weren't even supposed to be, so nobody was there. Yet there were vocal responses on the recorder with timing and relevance to the questions that we asked, so I was shocked. Then we started noticing things in the pictures that weren't there when we took it, like glowing light effects and some shadowy looking things. And then the ultimate one on our very first investigation ever, she caught an apparition on video which stood still at first. Then it walked past the wall and disappeared right on video Wow.

Tony Rathman: 8:31

Got the Holy Grail right out the gate, right, I mean. So, being a total skeptic, I spent the last month or two trying to figure out what's the reasonable explanation for this. Couldn't find one, so finally I said to her let's go back. Maybe there was a vent when we were doing the digital recording where voices were coming through. Maybe there was a light shining through some window we didn't notice outside and it was causing a reflection on the camera lens. And I don't know what to say about the woman that was on the video, but I said let's go take a look.

Tony Rathman: 9:09

So we went back like a week later and went to the same places. We went the first time, checked out everything no, no windows with light shining through, no vents that we could have any vocals coming through. And then we came back. She started reviewing again. We had even more. So I'm like, okay, something's something's gone.

Tony Rathman: 9:31

So then we started investigating um, I think we investigated that particular hotel over 50 times, because we were there two, three times a week um, just to see what we could catch. And then, of course, we branched out. We branched out to historic places, haunted locations. Then we covered all of Arizona, then we moved on to Nevada, new Mexico, california, and just kept spreading out. Then we started moving across the country. We've been from East Coast to West Coast to just about every location in between. We've been from East Coast to West Coast to just about every location in between. Then we took it overseas. We've investigated in Japan, we've investigated in the Philippines and we've got other places on our list. But the most incredible thing for us was a vocal, because from it and I don't care what other gadget you have, and we have them all we have closets packed with cases full of equipment.

Logan Mathias: 10:28

We know the feeling.

Tony Rathman: 10:29

Yeah, but you could never beat a vocal response because, a you didn't know it was coming. Two, I could tell if it was male or female. I could tell if it was an adult or a child. I could tell their emotional state Were they happy, were they upset, were they angry, were they fearful. I could tell what language they were speaking. I could tell if they carried an accent, a territorial dialect or even speaking a different language, all before I even heard the answer that they gave and that to me was just a bucket full of information that I couldn't get from some device blinking a light or playing music or you know. It was unmatchable.

Tony Rathman: 11:19

So our focus in the first year of investigating focused on EVP and voices. From there we moved to ITC and I have an electronics background. I used to fix radios and televisions when I was like started, when I was like 16. So I said I'm going to take this thing apart, let's see how this thing functions. So I did. Well then, for the next 12 years we built them. So in 12 years we built 14 different spirit boxes, all improving over the last one built. The only thing we couldn't improve was the length of the communication. We took out the white noise, so that it was still there for them to respond with. But you didn't hear it, so you'd only hear the voice. Well then we got introduced from some former partners to a method called direct radio voice.

Tony Rathman: 12:16

Now, spirit boxes, as you know, use radio and it scans forward or reverse based on a speed selection how fast you want to go or how slow you want to go. But it uses radio and the thought process behind it was that spirits would take the fragments of audio and rearrange them to make their own sentences. I can tell you for a fact that does not happen. First of all, they'd have to have every sound they needed available to them at that split second. They would have to rearrange at the speed of light in the correct order to create a sentence.

Tony Rathman: 12:56

And in fact, what our research showed us was that the audio from radio. They weren't using it and in fact it stopped the communication. They weren't using radio fragments, they were using white noise. So that's what limits your response when using a spirit box. Do they work? They do work. We built them for 12 years, but that's the limitation in the amount of communication you can get. So Staticom, which was direct radio voice, the changes we made were A. We removed the radio. Why Any skeptic, any scientist is going to say to you you're using a device that brings in communication speech.

Tony Rathman: 13:45

And you're claiming you're getting speech from the other side. How do you determine a reception from deception? Great point, I mean, that made total sense and we knew that before, but excellent point. So we said the radio is going to be the first thing that has to go. So we did a bunch of tests. Our former partners were doing a test in a zinc mine and everybody who had spirit boxes got nothing, because a zinc mine 30 feet underground is like a natural Faraday cage and radio waves can't penetrate. So out of all the people that were there, they're the only people that still got voices. So in hearing that from them, I went out and I tested. Well, I was actually doing some tests for another gentleman who was claiming to have gotten voices from running water and yeah, there were some voices in there.

Nicole Mathias: 14:40

Really.

Tony Rathman: 14:41

Yep, because running water is very similar to white noise.

Tony Rathman: 14:45

Okay, so then I went out and started doing some tests. I recorded running water, fans, air conditioners. I taped mics to my car when I drove around town to get the white noise sound. Yeah, sure enough, I could pull voices. But what I couldn't do was pull them consistently because the white noise had fluctuations and it would be stronger at points, weaker in other points. And so what we did was I said let's try a white noise generator. White noise generator is a small piece of electronic equipment. It produces every sound the human ear can hear, from 20 Hertz to 20 Hertz and a spectral frequency of one, meaning it's all even so. Then we tried that. Sure enough, voices came flying in speech. We could ask questions, they would answer. The radio was gone. So then the next step we did was to slow down live white noise in real time. So it slowed down 50%. The reason we do that is because we got messages that came in so fast that it sounded like a syllable. When we slowed it down 50% it was a full, complete sentence sounding just like I'm talking now.

Tony Rathman: 16:10

So Staticom uses only broadband white noise. It is a closed system. There are no mics, there are no word banks, there are no AI, no, nothing to produce vocals. It cannot accept radio, satellite walkie-talkies, baby monitors, nothing. It's only filtered white noise.

Tony Rathman: 16:32

And then we added filtration into the system that will clean it up, denoise it and then cut the white noise out at the end, leaving only the vocal left. So the reason that occurs is because white noise is used in a physics principle called stochastic resonance, and what that process does is that it takes a signal, a noise signal or a hearing subject matter, and makes an undetectable signal, both to human senses and to sensors, and makes it detectable. So when we added the white noise, the white noise level is constant, stays right here. When the speech comes in, it overlaps a handful of those frequencies in white noise, because it's hundreds of thousands of frequencies in broadband white noise. What that does, then, is it elevates the voice, sort of like the difference between if you had a single bee flying a foot from your head or the whole hive.

Tony Rathman: 17:48

If you had the whole hive, that same sound, same frequency of the buzzing gets elevated, right. So then the voice comes up, the white noise stays at its base level. Then we cut the base level out, leaving only okay, that makes sense.

Logan Mathias: 18:04

So with white noise and um, you know, I know that there's different types of of noise.

Tony Rathman: 18:09

There's a brown noise, um gosh, there's all kinds of different spectrum noise brown noise, white noise and there's a couple other variations, but every variation beyond white is just a set of sub frequencies of white.

Logan Mathias: 18:23

Okay, Gotcha, as I was going to ask you if you guys had attempted trying the different. But if it's basically a breakdown of white as it is, then yeah correct it's octaves within the full broadband spectrum of it.

Tony Rathman: 18:37

Okay.

Logan Mathias: 18:38

So I guess my initial question is and obviously you've had many, many years of doing this and um, you know it always takes an innovation to to, you know, kind of disrupt everything. And what? What is it that? First of all, what sent you down that road? Did you just look at something, okay, kind of like with the radio, and I agree, by the way, we we use a lot of it. Now we have an SB seven, we have all these other different things and we have a honey tone that cuts down a lot of it. Now we have an SB7. We have all these other different things and we have a honeytone that cuts down a lot of that. You know the background and you're all familiar with this. And, yes, I agree, the stuff that we get never is from the radio. You know, you never hear any. In fact, the radio just ends up being a problem because we have been in conversation. Matter of fact, we just came from an investigation roughly about two, three weeks. Oh man, it's been longer than that now Over a month.

Logan Mathias: 19:31

yeah, and we were having a great conversation. The vocal tone was the same. You could tell it was the same person every single time. There was no fluctuation. And then, of course, you get stepped on with the radio and you're just like, oh, we're just right in this thing. So, no, you're right. It's quite amazing. But was there a tipping point that said, OK, let's throw all that aside and jump into this closed system?

Tony Rathman: 19:59

Yeah, well, the jumping point from the beginning was A to go back through history and look at what other pioneers had done, what was effective for them, what was not effective, like SpiritCom, I mean. Today most people realize that was probably fate. Fate, but one of the, the person who developed or realized that they could get voices from a radio sitting on a vacant frequency, which is what direct radio voice does. So you're only, you're only taking the white noise because it's between and it doesn't move, it sits stationary Was named Frederick Jurgensen. He was actually a painter, but when he realized he could do this, he spent the rest of his life trying to teach other people. He taught Konstantin Radova, and then Radova taught a gentleman named Marcello Bacci, and Marcello Bocci used direct radio for about 35, 40 years and he was the only one who was brought in by scientists and tested in a lab and his voices still came through.

Tony Rathman: 21:14

And the scientists removed the vacuum tubes out of the radio, one by one, to see if they could still get voices. So they took out the first one Marcello still got voices. They took out the second one he still got voices. Then the scientist said I'll tell you what. I'm going to pull the third one If you still get voices, I'll eat that. So he pulled it. Marcello still got voices and then he said to the scientist don't eat that, that's glass. No good, yeah, that's a problem.

Tony Rathman: 21:48

The only thing they could remove to keep the voices from coming through was Marcello himself. So that also shows the connection that about 40% of it is the electronics, the other 60 is the person operating it. That connection has to be there because we've had people try to replicate it and they're like I did this for like three hours. I got nothing. Well, guess what? It took us like a year to get our first full sentence vocal. If you're going to give up in a couple of hours, this method is not for you. It takes patience, it takes dedication and it takes a little bit of savviness, because it's not like a spirit box that there's a on switch and you're good to go. It's a method. So you're filtering sound, you're adjusting frequencies, so it's a little more complicated.

Logan Mathias: 22:40

Right. Right, and it's true, because even given the the simplicity of an SB7 box or even just I mean, we will use so kind of what we do with our investigations. We'll run ITC, but I always run something analog with it, because I think that they can play off each other and they have. I've gotten some evidence that we would have never gotten how we not run both the analog and the ITC at the same time. But I think the problem is people will use that ITC as a crutch and think that you know, ok, well, they'll look at that and go, ok, they get these certain words that come through, and then there's this word salad.

Logan Mathias: 23:19

But I think that I love the direction that's taking, because I am probably one of the more skeptic between the two of us and when we first started playing with ITC and honestly we really started playing with I think we had Ryan O'Neill on. We talked a little bit about it with him and I think that he kind of got me going down the path a little bit of using it. I think that he kind of got me going down the path a little bit of using it and I like the idea because whether we all believe in that same camp of this is how entities talk. You know these. They're electrical signals, are using impulse or using. You know all these different things. Then we have to accept the fact that these computers and things that we use are susceptible to that. They're going to record that. That is its whole point. It's ones and zeros. That's all it is.

Tony Rathman: 24:11

Well, it's energy frequency and vibration.

Logan Mathias: 24:14

Right right.

Tony Rathman: 24:15

Because you know, we had to look at. There are so many things that we tried to do, there are so few things that were falling outside of both and we had to determine for ourselves okay, what's really happening here, how do we determine what's going on? And without you know, with keeping the straightest line of information from point a to point b, without bending it all over the place, saying, well, you know, if this happens, you know spirits just know how to do that. We didn't want any of that. We wanted no axioms. If you put two mirrors together, you get a portal. Okay, that's been passed down for I don't know how long. Is there any proof to support it? No, nothing. Has anyone ever thrown a quarter through one mirror and have it come out the other? No, if they do and that can be shown, okay, that changes things. But right now there is no bit of evidence at all to support. Putting two mirrors together produces a portal. Right, and I don't even want to get into the whole portal thing.

Tony Rathman: 25:52

But anyway, the whole goal here was to find out. We knew from 12 years of using spirit boxes that we can get communication that's not coming from radio. Now the question is can we prove direct radio voice still works today. We did that. Can we get rid of the radio? Can we get rid of every piece of low-hanging fruit that somebody can dismiss it? We did that. Now I can ask a question without a mic, without broadcasting my voice in any way, shape or form, as I'm talking in my house right now without the mics and have a response come back with timing and relevance to the question I asked in full, complete sentences.

Logan Mathias: 26:41

It's amazing, that's awesome. Wow Kind of leads us into we know you've got. You sent us some clips and they're amazing yeah, but we're definitely going to want to kind of break it down, so kind of in this first one, if you want to kind of just tee it off, and we'll have. You tee off these clips, because I certainly wasn't there, but, man, there's something to behold.

Nicole Mathias: 27:07

It's so clear? Yeah, it is wild.

Logan Mathias: 27:09

So yeah, if you can kind of lead us into the first one.

Tony Rathman: 27:11

So the first one you're about to play is was still direct radio voice. So this was a radio and we were running it and it's really funny. But my wife said Marcello, meaning Marcello Bocci, this is your method. Now, actually it was Frederick Juergensen's, but I knew what she meant and she said it's working. Can you communicate with us? Us, and you can hear the spirit say Bocce's coming Now. Whether it's is it Marcello Bocce, we can never say for sure, we don't know. People ask us all the time do you know who you're speaking to? The fact of the matter is no, we don't, but anyway. So that's what this clip is about, and if you want to go ahead and play that one, we'll do it now. Yeah, let's do it right here.

Nicole Mathias: 28:09

Marcello, can you see us?

Tony Rathman: 28:14

Yes.

Nicole Mathias: 28:16

Thank you, Marcello. You started this method. It's working.

Logan Mathias: 28:33

Can you please try to communicate with us. Yeah, I was. When we first saw that it was one of those we're like was that actually? Did we actually just hear?

Nicole Mathias: 28:49

that, that's pretty impressive.

Tony Rathman: 28:52

I know it's so clear. Yeah, when he said I'd say glad to meet you, that we were blown away. Now, the one thing to know about direct radio voice when we were before we transitioned was in a year of running it. That clip you just played is the clearest response we ever had. Now we had communication. You can hear what they're saying, sometimes better than others. That one you just played is the clearest response we ever received in the entire year of running direct radio voice.

Logan Mathias: 29:30

I mean it shows. It's pretty breathtaking actually.

Nicole Mathias: 29:33

Yeah, I mean, there's some of those ITC things. You have to listen to them two or three times to really understand what they're saying, but these first time, yeah, first time.

Logan Mathias: 29:44

It is something that you're right. Being a closed system and not having any, any word bank or anything for them to utilize, it does kind of make you wonder where, because obviously those people who are still in the camp of the word banks and there's nothing wrong with it, I get it, I get it, but this is not and it doesn't have any geographics too, so it wouldn't know where it's at, which can be an argument for some of these ITC things. But yeah, that's. That is just amazing on a closed system.

Tony Rathman: 30:15

Yeah, and you know you're, you're, you're pushing into the boundary, then, of like phone apps. I mean there's a reason. When you download them it says for entertainment only. There's a reason for that. We wanted to avoid that. Everyone always says, hey, can you turn this into a nap? Never going to happen. The processing power it takes to do this. We run the highest end computers out there in order to get this to do this, because everything is live. When you do EVP, you do your session, you ask your questions, you shut your recorder off, you take it home, you upload it to your computer, you may amplify it, you may try to get rid of background. We don't have to do anything. Everything is done for us, live. So we ask a question.

Tony Rathman: 31:00

The method handles everything and all we hear coming out. The speaker is the response.

Logan Mathias: 31:06

Right.

Tony Rathman: 31:07

So that's a huge plus. Plus, like you said, there is no word banks. Everyone says okay, well, what's in the filtration system? Real, easy to answer Denoising, frequency adjustment, voice extraction, um and other filters but filters that only filter sound, nothing that creates words, nothing that can speak, nothing that can pull anything off the internet. We do not need any internet active, we don't need anything. So we tried to get complete, a complete break from any of the low hanginghanging skeptic fruit and we did accomplish it. So we're super excited.

Nicole Mathias: 31:51

Fantastic.

Logan Mathias: 31:52

It is yeah. Well, I know we got another clip, so we've got some really cool stuff no kidding, yeah, kind of lead us into this next one.

Tony Rathman: 32:00

So the next clip is the upgrade from direct radio. Voice Radio's been removed, white noise generator's been replaced with the radio. So this next clip. I asked if they could say my name. I said can you say Tony? Can you say Tony? Can you say Tony? Did you just say Rathman? Yep, so you know who I am. Can I know who you are? Yes, sir, thank you. Who am I speaking to? And they said my full name first and last.

Nicole Mathias: 32:58

That was cool.

Tony Rathman: 32:59

And then I've got to think for a second. I said. I said you know who I am, can I know who you are? And they responded two sentences, two different spirit, consciousness, whatever term you want to refer to it, giving the first and the last name that they had.

Nicole Mathias: 33:25

Yeah, it was amazing yeah.

Logan Mathias: 33:28

Well for it to even say you're you know, says Anthony, for those who are, you know, if you're listening, I urge you to maybe watch this one on YouTube, because we do both YouTube and audio, but if you're actually listening, maybe take the time to do this Watch the video yeah. I mean it flat out says Anthony, and it's just like, well, how would it know? I mean, of course you know, if it's intelligent, it would know that Tony is short for Anthony, but again, not a word bank. So that's even more provable.

Nicole Mathias: 33:57

Yeah, exactly, they're intelligent.

Logan Mathias: 33:59

Yeah.

Nicole Mathias: 34:00

Fascinating.

Tony Rathman: 34:00

Oh yeah, people have asked us before Well, do you get residual? No, the only way.

Tony Rathman: 34:07

I would know is if it was an answer that completely did not fit the question asked, like if I said how many spirits are with me right now and I heard lasagna? Okay, could that be residual? Yeah, do we know that it can't pick up residual? No, we don't. We don't know any of the limitations yet. All we know that everything that we've tried so far has succeeded. Where those boundaries are going to shut down, we're still learning. But the other thing and I'm trying to remember what I was going to say, it slipped my mind at the moment. I'll think of it again.

Logan Mathias: 34:44

But Happens to me all the time. It didn't even take turning 50. It started a lot earlier Now and there's a lot of skepticism behind. Well, first of all, we're in a vertical and in a field that skept you've worked with and these are people. These are real serious people that take this very seriously, and that's a lot of serious.

Nicole Mathias: 35:16

I know I was going to say serious, serious. That's how serious they are. It is extremely serious.

Logan Mathias: 35:22

There's no playing around here. You got to stress it. Their, I guess their feedback I and I know we've got a few more clips or clips or so here, but I'd be interested to hear that because, especially with this last one, with it getting your full name, that is that's pretty point positive.

Tony Rathman: 35:41

Yeah, the the toughest challenge is that, unless you've seen it in person cause we do do live events, for you know we've got 40, 50 people in the room. We let them ask their own questions, get their own responses, but if you only see it through the videos, it's kind of like if you know a five-time or five-year world champion boxer takes on some competitor who has no history whatsoever and the competitor knocks him out in the first 30 seconds. What's the first thing? The audience says, oh, that's rigged. That was rigged there's no way.

Tony Rathman: 36:22

Yeah, so that's what we fight. We fight having it so good that nobody believes it, right, or that. Or the other side of the coin is they're like, oh, that sounds, you know that sounds terrible. Who cares what they're doing? So there's that balance that I mean. It's not just a balance. It takes years to make even small upgrades now, but we just did go from two to three, which just I'll talk about those differences when we get to those clips. But you know you can't convince. There are people that are going to believe what they believe regardless. If you were trying to discover if Bigfoot was real and you got out of the car, you walked around for 20 minutes, you realized you left something in the car, went back to get it and realized you lost your keys and you turn around and Bigfoot standing there and hands them to you, they still wouldn't believe. Oh yeah.

Tony Rathman: 37:20

Right, absolutely so we gave up trying to convince anybody of anything. If you are skeptical, you if you are skeptical. That's not a scientific approach, that skepticism. And I'm not here to convince you. I'm only here to show you what we've done and what we can get from it, and you can do with it whatever you want. But for people who are interested, find us where we're giving a demonstration. Fly to Halifax, canada, and we're going to speak about it at this year's Paranormal Symposium. We're going to be at Phenomicon speaking about it this year in.

Tony Rathman: 38:00

Utah, because it has gained both the interest of the entire paranormal community, but it has also gained interest from the scientific community. This is a one possibility to replicate. We can turn it on. The voices come. It doesn't take anything, even what we consider to be paranormal, because we think the paranormal is just normal. We just don't understand it. Yet.

Tony Rathman: 38:30

Every time we flip it on, the voices are there and I can say okay, how many spirits are with me? 10, 50, whatever they'll answer. I can ask them questions. They'll answer that's repetitive. Science is going to want to take a look at that. But the main thing is that, because of the way I mean, we had to reevaluate what we believed reality to be. And today we believe and we've adopted an idealistic approach or an analytic idealism that says that the ontological primitive in life is consciousness. It's there before life begins in universal consciousness. It's in you individually, but still connected to universal consciousness as you go through life, as you learn, as you grow, and that information still transfers back to universal consciousness. And then, when you pass away, you return to, Because people always used to say well, you know, you're using a digital recorder and you're talking to spirits from the 1800s. They're not even going to know what that is. Well, if they're part of universal consciousness, they know what everything is, because people are being born and passing over.

Tony Rathman: 39:39

Well, I don't know how many thousands of times. Oh yeah, but that information is part of all universal consciousness which we're part of. So they don't, they know. They know what it is.

Logan Mathias: 39:50

Yeah, and you know I make the argument. In fact we just had I just had a talk, we were over at Missouri Paracon this last weekend and which, by the way, I don't know when this is coming out, but anyway, we went to Missouri Paracon and I think the one of the arguments that I made is that I think in our field we tend to think that that the other side is static, and I think that is such a bad way to look at it because if, if we can agree that there's intelligence behind it, which we all agree on, there's no way that other side has some static involvement, unless it's residual. But you know, if it's just, we just always assume that they're not going to know this sort of thing, or they're not going to, they're not going to be able to comprehend it. Well, if they're intelligent, they're not it to know this sort of thing, or they're not going to, they're not going to be able to comprehend it. Well, if they're intelligent, they're not. It's not a static.

Nicole Mathias: 40:32

Like they died in the 1800s and they're set in the 1800s.

Logan Mathias: 40:35

No, exactly Now, we're just in the 1800s.

Tony Rathman: 40:37

If it was static or residual, we would get no answers. Exactly you have to have intelligence to answer a question. Without intelligence, there's nothing. So there's nothing. So it proves to us, it's a stepping stone to prove that consciousness survives death. Not only does it survive death, but you can communicate with it, and that's hoping, what we're also hoping to show, as well as other things.

Logan Mathias: 41:14

I mean anything that we could research on an answer that we gave. In fact, this is one of the clips. Let's get into that next clip then, because there's actually a part of that, and I don't know if you mentioned it in this clip or where it was, but I'm thinking of a use case for this. That's maybe not necessarily paranormal driven, but anyway, let's go ahead and tee up this next clip.

Tony Rathman: 41:33

All right. Well, the next clip. We did a lot of scientific questioning when we were running 2.0. 3.0 is so new that I'm still making sure everything's functioning before I can get into the research questions. But if I'm human and I'm not broadcasting my voice through mics and I speak in my normal tone of voice, okay, that's great. It creates sound waves in the atmosphere which maybe travel 100, 200 feet before they dissipate. Another human standing within that range has human ears. Their follicles will vibrate. That vibration will go to the liquid center of the brain, which pulsates. That pulsation goes to the brain, telling the brain this is speech and interprets it. If a spirit, entity, consciousness, whatever you want to call it, doesn't have a human body and I'm creating vocal sound waves, how do they hear me? So play that clip and you'll hear the answer.

Logan Mathias: 42:33

Here we go.

Tony Rathman: 42:34

How do you hear me speak?

Logan Mathias: 42:43

Yeah, let's talk about that one. Unpack that for us, if you could Sure.

Tony Rathman: 42:49

Okay. So the first thing they said was we call it death. Now, to me, that was just their way of simply stating something I would understand clearly they're not dead or they wouldn't be able to answer. So we call it death. To me, was just an explanation of we've passed over, we're not here anymore. And then another spirit, I believe, because the voice was different.

Logan Mathias: 43:16

It was different.

Tony Rathman: 43:17

Said energy of the mind. That's the thing.

Nicole Mathias: 43:23

Okay, now let's unpack that. Yeah, please. That blew our minds when we heard that.

Tony Rathman: 43:29

Well, I was too, when we heard it, because for years we did EVP sessions and there were times the answer would show up on the recorder before I even got done asking it, and that's happened to us.

Logan Mathias: 43:42

That explains it.

Tony Rathman: 43:43

They're not. Yeah, they don't need my vocals at all. So we tested that, too at all. So we tested that too. When we do live sessions, we'd say to the group if you want to ask a question, but you're too embarrassed to ask in front of an audience just come up here and think it.

Nicole Mathias: 44:06

Sure enough, they get their answer.

Tony Rathman: 44:07

So there's a theory that scientists are starting to evolve and go down called the survival theory. The survival theory of consciousness and energy of the mind supports that scientific theory of consciousness surviving death.

Logan Mathias: 44:24

Absolutely yeah, it's. And what's funny is you always think about. There's always that big argument when does consciousness reside? And you know everybody's got their own theory, everybody. You know this is long since been talked about, before we were ever born. It'll probably still be talked about beyond our lifespan. But you know, when you get into what we do you tend to lean a little less that your consciousness resides anywhere in this meat and potatoes that I've got going on over here, right, and that material.

Tony Rathman: 44:59

Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

Nicole Mathias: 45:00

Oh, you're fine.

Tony Rathman: 45:01

Materialistic science believes that that when the body dies, the brain dies, consciousness dies, right? Well, you know there's a. There's a real simple question then. If that's the case, if I'm sleepy and my body runs on energy and nutrients I get from the food I eat how come I can't eat a big meal and be wide awake? Good point, it's because there's another source that needs to be recharged as well, and that to me is spirit or consciousness.

Tony Rathman: 45:40

Otherwise I need a gigantic meal. I shouldn't be tired. If my car is out of gas and I put gas in it, it's not tired, Right? So there's some other entity that is recharging while we sleep and I believe that to be our consciousness or soul.

Logan Mathias: 45:57

Sure, I mean, they even say that is a very interesting point. It's a very interesting point, well put, and even you know you look at some of the scientific data that says when we pass away we weigh less. I think an ounce or two less from death, from when we were conscious. So where did that go Exactly? It's wild.

Tony Rathman: 46:17

And the other thing we always get is people say to me all right, if they're not in human body anymore and they don't have vocal cords, how are they speaking?

Nicole Mathias: 46:27

I've heard that one many times. You don't need vocal cords.

Tony Rathman: 46:32

You need energy, frequency and vibration. How do you think a guitar string makes noise? You pluck it with your thumb or finger. That's the energy. It then vibrates at a certain frequency, producing sound. Jimi Hendrix used to play his guitar that would sound like words, using energy, frequency and vibration. And then the next thing I'll say to people who say that to me is they said does your radio have vocal cords? No, it doesn't. But what are you hearing? Full speech, full vocabulary, full sentences or even singing. How is that occurring? Energy, frequency and vibration, full sentences or even singing.

Logan Mathias: 47:14

How is that occurring? Energy?

Nicole Mathias: 47:19

frequency and vibration. Yep, well, even. Okay, there's actually, and I can't remember the name of the handle, it's on Instagram, but there's a man that takes something into the forest and he attaches it to leaves and stuff of trees and plants and flowers and he plays like the sounds from the plants correct?

Tony Rathman: 47:33

yep, yeah, so it's the same. You know what I'm talking about yeah, I thought it had the word mushroom in it, like mushroom. Yeah, it does something like that yeah, it does I didn't know that yeah

Nicole Mathias: 47:44

I'm obsessed with it. Awesome because every, every single one, every different plant has a different sound that comes out.

Tony Rathman: 47:52

And you get variations of sound, which makes it sound like tones almost musical, to a point.

Nicole Mathias: 47:58

Yes.

Logan Mathias: 47:59

Yes, well, and being a huge nerd that I am, if you've ever seen on, you know, because I've doom, scrolled my life away on, sometimes on YouTube. But they'll have a, they'll have that one where it's, uh, you can hear the noise of the planet. So they'll, they'll be. I think it was done by I can't remember what satellite it was or what, what they sent out into space, but as they were approaching a given source, like a given planet, I think they would turn on whatever vibrate, whatever they use to measure sound with, and every single body out there, every planet, every moon, has a very distinct sound.

Tony Rathman: 48:38

Well, and it's because I mean. Nikola tesla said if you want to understand the universe, think in terms of three things energy, frequency and vibration it is the key to everything it sound.

Tony Rathman: 48:51

It holds your furniture together by being vibrating at such a tight interval that it doesn't come apart. Life is completely subjective and completely mental to you and you alone. There is no objective reality because life is subjective to you and you alone. Now you can share experiences with other people, but I can't see through their eyes, I can't hear through their ears. It is subjective only to me. But energy, frequency and vibration literally are three of the blocks of foundation that what we interact with, it exists. Well, guess what white noise is? Energy, frequency and vibration.

Tony Rathman: 49:46

And that's what entities or spirits are, would have to be to create vocals, because those are the three components to do it and could easily do it. Throwing it on top of white noise then makes complete sense.

Nicole Mathias: 50:01

So awesome. I'm pretty blown away.

Logan Mathias: 50:03

I am. So let's talk about upgrade, because I know you've gone through some variations and we're at 3.0, right, correct Now. We're moving at 3.0 right, correct now we're now.

Tony Rathman: 50:11

We're moving to 3.0. So when you heard the, when you heard the responses from 2.0 again clear you can't really tell much of a difference between what you heard on DRV even though that was the only one that clear we got to what we just played in 2.0. But the frequency, the amount of responses increased in the clarity. So now what we knew we needed to do was make that clarity consistent and there all the time. And that is the difference. Now to 3.0. That clarity has not gone away yet. We don't plan it to go away.

Tony Rathman: 50:54

And the communication doesn't stop. If I keep asking questions, they'll keep answering. The other cool part about it and this went all the way back to DRV was that you don't even have to ask questions. You can flip it on and just listen. You can listen to them speak. You can flip it on and just listen. You can listen to them speak. And when we first started it it was like a spiritual eavesdrop because once they realized we could hear them, they were like you know, and then they'd try to whisper and I'm like I can still hear you when you whisper.

Nicole Mathias: 51:27

Matter of fact, there's a clip.

Tony Rathman: 51:28

I say that the next clip is when I was still programming, making adjustments to get 3.0 to work, and I believe this one's called initial and the speech just started coming through. So my wife grabs her phone, turns it on. Now, granted, this is filling the whole house because it's running speakers like a stereo system. That's where the voices come out. She flipped her phone on recorded, started asking questions and the answers they were answering all our questions.

Logan Mathias: 52:03

So I would good time to play that one now.

Nicole Mathias: 52:05

The initial one. Let's do that right now, for sure. Speaker. Speaker. Who are you trying to find? Speaker, I'm just Come to the door. Who?

Logan Mathias: 52:12

are you?

Nicole Mathias: 52:13

trying to find, I don't know.

Logan Mathias: 52:18

You're nervous, I don't know. Okay.

Nicole Mathias: 52:22

Right there.

Logan Mathias: 52:25

What Right?

Nicole Mathias: 52:26

there. Are you trying to send us a message?

Tony Rathman: 52:28

Yeah, are you trying to send us a message, roger.

Nicole Mathias: 52:42

Roger meaning yes or Roger meaning Roger? Are you talking about Roger Martin?

Tony Rathman: 52:51

Yes, martin, yes martin yeah, it's.

Logan Mathias: 52:55

Uh again, it's amazing, and you can really tell the difference between you always say, well, what did we change this year? We put a 12 on the box, but when you, when you're making that upgrade between two and three, I can see where things are starting to kind of come together.

Tony Rathman: 53:13

Yeah, the communication not stopping the fact that we can continue to ask questions. We can further the questions along, meaning that we're not broken by. Nothing breaks the conversation unless they go away breaks the conversation unless they go away. The only thing we can't control so far is whether they answer, how many of them are going to answer and how long they're going to talk, for we have no control over that because they obviously have free will, just as I do. I mean, I could say I'm done and turn it off. They may not want it to, but they can't control that, any more than I can control them responding Right, but the consistency and the clarity of the voice stays.

Tony Rathman: 53:52

We don't get a sentence that's super clear. And then the next 10 minutes of audio is what, what, what? It's consistent now. Now, that took a huge process, huge understanding of so many different things, but we got it and so we're super psyched about that. And then the next clip that you can play was this was the same night. My wife said she wasn't feeling well and she was in pain, so I was worried about that. Well, I got it back up and running and so I asked. I said is she getting sick? And if you play that one, you'll be able to hear it.

Logan Mathias: 54:30

Yeah, here we go, because I definitely want to talk about this. But here we go. Spirit Cherie isn't getting sick is she?

Tony Rathman: 54:41

Is Cherie getting sick? Spirit, yes, what should she take? What should she take? So the most interesting thing about this was I didn't know what Percodan was. I heard him say it, but I didn't know what itcadam was. I heard him say it, but I didn't know what it was.

Tony Rathman: 55:14

So I went to look it up, believe it or not, for those who don't know I'm sure a lot of people do but for those who don't know, percadam is a prescription strength pain reliever. It's a pain reliever. It's a combination of oxycodone and aspirin, I believe, and high, high strength potential. But for them to answer that when she told me I'm in pain and I said, well, what should she take? Percodant, when I looked it up, I'm like, okay, they're right on target again. They're right on target again, which is the other thing that we've noticed is that when we can research something, like people always asked about the two names that were given, did you research them? A? I'm working with audio, only I don't know if I spelled them correctly. I don't know if there are some strange consonants used that are silent.

Tony Rathman: 56:07

So it's really hard to do and I don't know what timeframe it was, but about 94 to 95% of the information that we're given, that we either A don't know or can look up, is a hundred percent correct, which is one of the reasons why we think this will be a brilliant method to use for cold cases. That's exactly what. I was thinking they will not give us future information. We know because we've asked for the Powerballs I don't know how many times they don't answer.

Logan Mathias: 56:40

If you get it, let me know I'll split it with you.

Tony Rathman: 56:42

I don't care, they don't answer Even a simple question like, okay, I have to make the decision, should I take this job or this job? They won't answer. We believe there's something called universal laws, that they are not allowed to affect the life. We were put here to live, to experience, to learn and to grow. And if they were to interrupt that because, let's face it, if I won a billion dollars in Powerball, I'd be sitting on my own island fishing for the rest of my life and not learning probably anything. And so we believe that there are rules, because we've heard them say we had a woman one time answering every question I asked. That usually doesn't happen. We heard all these other spirits come in and say to her stop, you can't tell them that. And then finally, they said to us she didn't, she wasn't there anymore. And they said to us she didn't, she wasn't there anymore.

Logan Mathias: 57:33

And they said to us we we had to remove her.

Nicole Mathias: 57:36

So they have a place, that's why we call them universal laws?

Tony Rathman: 57:41

because there are restrictions to what we can know. I mean, think about it. If you were aware that spirits are around you all the time and I can tell you without a doubt they are that they can hear you, they can see what you're doing, they know everything, they know what you're, what's your thought going through your head, what you're planning on doing. How distracting would that be.

Logan Mathias: 58:02

Oh, no, kidding. Yeah, it was very distant, in fact, our home, and it's honestly just a couple of feet away. We have an entity that's very kind, very loving, shows up and we're not feeling well. Now how in the world do they know that we're not feeling well, that we're despondent, or if there's something going on in our life? That's typically the only time this entity makes itself aware. How in the world would it know that, without being able to do that sort of thing and maybe that's part of that law set that you know, I don't know who knows what the laws are.

Nicole Mathias: 58:37

Well, nobody would take a shower again, that's for sure.

Tony Rathman: 58:42

But you know we came up with that term of universal laws. Whether that's an actual fact or not, it's a theory based on what we've experienced. But you know how would you? And this is part of the reason why we're not supposed to know any of this. It's the reason why the human body sight is restricted to visible light Only. Hearing is only 20 Hertz to 20 kilohertz, when both visual spectrums and audio spectrums have on both sides layers and layers of additional that we can't see, hear or experience. There's a reason for that because all of this exists out there. We are being blocked from it. So people always say to us well, what's the line between the living and the non-living?

Tony Rathman: 59:31

It's the human body we are literally designed not to, but technology allows us to do things that the human body can't.

Logan Mathias: 59:39

so it's so fascinating.

Nicole Mathias: 59:42

Yeah, it absolutely is.

Logan Mathias: 59:44

So where are we now with 3.0? I know you mentioned that you're even up to this point. You know you're making some adjustments to 3.0. Do you feel that this is now? I mean, obviously you'll always want to innovate and change things and everything, but are you getting closer to your full, I guess, your full vision of what you wanted to accomplish with it?

Tony Rathman: 1:00:04

The original vision. Yes, I think 3.0 is there. This is probably arguably the closest thing to either Thomas Edison's phone to the dead that he wanted to create or Nikola Tesla's spirit phone that they were racing against each other to make it happen. Neither one of them accomplished it that we're aware of. But, yeah, I'd say we hit the initial mark, but so much information has been brought up that it keeps it moving.

Tony Rathman: 1:00:42

There are so many other things we want to find out and people always ask you know, did you ask this question? Did you ask this question? And they'll say did you ask how the pyramids were built? Did you ask if Atlantis actually existed? And they're great questions and at some point am I going to ask those too? Yeah, I am, but because the construction of it, the making sure that all the principles are working correctly, the testing of it, the advancement of it, is so time consuming on top of demonstrating it, because people, like you said, are very skeptical. They want to see it for themselves. There's not enough time in my day to to accomplish, you know, asking a hundred million questions that would need to be asked.

Nicole Mathias: 1:01:27

um so and it could be those questions that are not allowed to be answered as well.

Tony Rathman: 1:01:32

Maybe we're not supposed to know when we hit those, because that wall goes up. Communication just stops and the thing will just go silent. Yeah we're like okay, we can't ask that. Yeah, but for cold cases, anything that's already happened, they never stutter on if. If I say, okay, what happened here? I'll get an answer.

Tony Rathman: 1:01:52

So we're thinking this would be awesome for FDI police department without any more leads to follow up on. Let me throw out a couple of questions and see if you get any venture like oh my gosh, you know we haven't tested it yet, it's in our very clear, very near future to to give it a try.

Logan Mathias: 1:02:13

I couldn't imagine law enforcement not being. I mean they. Obviously they employ psychics, so why not? Yeah, but why not something?

Nicole Mathias: 1:02:21

How fantastic would that be to enter this into evidence. Oh, in a court case Like for the future, that would be amazing.

Tony Rathman: 1:02:30

Yes, Audio, and so I don't know what they do with that, but it's not even a matter of having to enter it as evidence, as in a court. It's a matter of giving them the next step direction yeah, right information to to solve it, okay, this is what happened, this person's guilty, or you know the sorry about your son or daughter.

Tony Rathman: 1:02:50

They were camping, eaten by a bear. You know whatever the terrible news is, but you know it's hard enough to grieve a loss. It's worse when you don't know what happened or where they are. Right.

Logan Mathias: 1:03:00

The closure part of it.

Tony Rathman: 1:03:02

So we're thinking, maybe this could help.

Logan Mathias: 1:03:04

That's fantastic, that would be great. So, tony, I guess what's the? Are you looking at some point? And if you don't, that's fine too. But are you looking at some point to make this something that people can utilize? You know, kind of going down the freezer, and I know there's probably a lot of. First of all, how do you do a contained, you know, delivery system? How do you make it to where it can't be? You know it can't. It's got to stay the way it's supposed to be, and I'm sure there's a lot of that in play. Trying to figure out how do we deliver on that and make it you know that same data set every single time. But is that something you guys are looking at doing in the future?

Tony Rathman: 1:03:46

Yeah, I mean it's been talked about. The problem is is that this is a Frankenstein's monster of equipment, which is why we call it a method, not a device. Right, it uses everything from hardware to software to filtration, to you know, it's in there, right? And then on top of it it's it's a manual process to adjust everything to your location, and that can change from day to day to day, literally from morning to afternoon to evening, because we've had to readjust, afternoon to evening, because we've had to readjust. We don't know how to teach somebody that we certainly. I mean right now.

Tony Rathman: 1:04:39

3.0 was designed by my wife and I. There's two of us. We're still doing the research, we're still doing advancements, we're still trying to work it out. If a thousand people had this and they were contacting us every day, okay, I set it up like you said it, but I, I'm not getting anything. What do I do? Right? So we're not prepared to sell anything yet it was never designed to be sold, it was designed for the research only, just like the 14 spirit boxes I built, I never sold one. They were not built to be make money, they were built for the research.

Tony Rathman: 1:05:10

Um, so we always, we fight the battles. Um, the only thing I can say is that the initial process, and then when I'm saying initial, I'm talking the bare bones minimum. We got from a gentleman named um keith j clark, and he is offering to show people how to, and even help you do the basics. Get it, get it set up on your computer. Um, it uses simple things like, um, a mod called sound soap, um, some filtration, um, and you be able, once you get it dialed in, you'll be able to hear the voices speaking, not like what you've just heard, because this is three years of advancement, but it's the starting point and for anybody who's really truly interested to play with it, that's where I would start. Keith J Clark, flick them up on Facebook.

Logan Mathias: 1:06:09

For sure. I mean just the idea of knowing that we're this much further along in technology where we have such an advancement like this, where this could be such a missing part of the entire. I mean what we all do. I mean we spend countless amounts of hours and money and funding. Where we spend countless amounts of hours and money and funding, literally, I can look over not more than a few feet at our gear and know how many thousands of dollars are sitting over there.

Tony Rathman: 1:06:38

Oh, trust me, I know. We all know Even the research when we try to switch something or I mean it's not cheap. We don't have any sponsors or people supporting us financially to do this. We did this on our own. Amazing. I know there's two clips left of 3.0. So go ahead and play the one titled Responses. Okay, here it goes. Rathman, I heard you say Rathman. Yes, what did you want to say to Roger? It's Tony Spirits. Can you hear me? Yes, okay.

Nicole Mathias: 1:07:46

That was a loud voice, that just answered.

Tony Rathman: 1:07:48

What's your name?

Nicole Mathias: 1:07:49

That was a loud voice that just answered what's your name.

Tony Rathman: 1:08:00

That's a strange name. How many spirits are here with us right now? A lot, a lot yeah, that's what I thought you said Because there's so many of you. Is that why all the background chatter? They're talking? Do you have any messages for us? Raph, I heard that. All right, so this really shows just the fact that we can communicate back and forth. There were multiple questions asked. We changed subjects. We were asking them to say certain words. They were responding with those words. I asked them what I was holding in my hand. You can't see me on the screen at the moment.

Tony Rathman: 1:09:02

I took my glasses off the top of my head, held them in my hand. I said what am I holding? Instant response glasses? That was absolutely 100% correct, but you can hear the flow of the conversation. I mean, it's no different if you had somebody on speakerphone on your phone and you were talking over the speakerphone. It's like that. Now, is it always that good? No, we've had some times, but they still respond. It's just not maybe that quickly or that many of them responding. And then the last one is called fourth round of testing, and this is the last one we've been able to do because we've been talking about it and we've been. So tomorrow night we don't have anything planned. We are doing another test session, um to run it but here go ahead and play the fourth round, and we'll talk about that.

Tony Rathman: 1:09:58

All right, here we go. I can hear you when you whisper. You know that, right, sparrows. If you're not familiar with this, this device is called Staticon. If you heard me say Staticon, now can you say St up for me please?

Nicole Mathias: 1:10:33

Alright.

Tony Rathman: 1:10:34

Squares, if you don't want to say stand up, let's play another game. What am I?

Nicole Mathias: 1:10:41

holding in my hand.

Tony Rathman: 1:10:45

Glasses. Thank you, Thank you very much.

Logan Mathias: 1:10:52

How about pineapple? Can you say pineapple? Oh perfect, thank you. How come you can't say Statikon like that? It's one word.

Tony Rathman: 1:11:03

It's one word.

Logan Mathias: 1:11:03

Statikon.

Tony Rathman: 1:11:08

Have you not been able to talk to humans before? If you can hear me spirit say elephant, do you know, tony, it's me. If we use this device to help cold cases, will you answer the question? Yeah, sure, you bet. Thank you, that'll help a lot. Yeah, yeah. So I mean you. Just you can't.

Tony Rathman: 1:11:57

Like I said when we got fascinated with audio responses from something that is not in front of you, you can't see it, you don't know it's there, and that's the other thing people would ask us. Scientists would ask us okay, well, when you, after you got done communicating, was there any residual energy in the room? And my answer was no, because they're not bound to time and space. They don't have to come into my house to respond, they can respond from anywhere. If I went and sat at the next door neighbor at his kitchen table for two hours and then left, could you hit the chair and find residual heat? Yeah, you could, but if I'm talking to him over my cell phone, like Staticom uses, I don't have to be there. I'm not leaving any energy in his house. It's the same thing.

Logan Mathias: 1:12:48

Wow, good point.

Nicole Mathias: 1:12:49

Yeah, that's an interesting way of putting it no, that makes perfect.

Tony Rathman: 1:12:52

Yeah, you're right if you're on your cell phone yeah, I mean, that's a great analogy talk to anyone in the world right but I'm not going to leave any skin cells or heat in their apartment because I was never there, gosh you know that gift that the guy goes.

Logan Mathias: 1:13:09

You know that gift that the guy goes.

Nicole Mathias: 1:13:11

I know, I know.

Logan Mathias: 1:13:13

Well, tony, I got to admit I know our audience is going to want to know a lot about it. Um, and I know there there's going to be a lot of questions behind it, which is fantastic. We welcome those. Yeah, what? Where can they go to kind of get involved or at least kind of see what you're doing, what you guys are up to?

Tony Rathman: 1:13:31

Absolutely the first place is a website called EntityVoicescom. Entity Voices is our paranormal group, but there's a whole Staticom section. You can watch other podcasts, you can look at clips, you can go through just a variety of stuff. There's a blog. You can look at the articles talked about, written about or that I wrote that are on there about progress where we're going. If you go to YouTube, you will find them. If you just search Statacom, the page will come up. If you go to Entity Voices Paranormal Investigations, there's Staticom stuff on there. If you go to Facebook, either under Tony Rathman or my wife, cherie Rathman, both of us have posts um things, places we're going to be where we're demonstrating. That's the best. Those are probably the best social media places to find out what's going on, where we're going to be at, what we've captured and information about the process itself.

Logan Mathias: 1:14:42

Awesome.

Nicole Mathias: 1:14:43

That's great. There is one thing I wanted to mention. We watched I think it was on YouTube, wasn't it the clip where you're speaking to someone that was speaking a different language. Oh yeah, and they said Turkish.

Logan Mathias: 1:14:54

Right.

Nicole Mathias: 1:14:55

And you said well, I don't speak Turkish. Can you speak to me in English? Yes, like it's not, there's no problem, just switching languages. Yeah, I thought that was very interesting.

Tony Rathman: 1:15:06

So we've gotten lots of different languages. Luckily, my wife speaks three. She's trilingual. She can speak Tagalog, japanese and English. So, like when we were over in the Philippines, we would get EVPs, we got them in Tagalog, japanese, english and Latin Latin's the only one neither one of us could speak. But when we had somebody who did speak a translate, they told us exactly what was being said. It did answer the question we asked.

Tony Rathman: 1:15:35

But the best example of that was we were doing a public demonstration and we stepped back as the presenters and let the audience come up one by one and ask their question. And this gentleman came up and you know, we didn't think anything of it and he asked his question in his native American language and I thought cool, this, this will be great to see what happens. So we just sat back and waited and I didn't hear an answer, cause I didn't even know what he asked. But I saw his jaw drop and his eyes get wide and I said did you get your answer? He said not only did I get it, but I got it in my Native American language, that's amazing oh that's so awesome.

Tony Rathman: 1:16:19

So again back to the whole universal consciousness of shared knowledge. Yeah, yeah. Whatever language you're going to speak, they're going to answer. Or whatever language they know you're going to speak, they're going to answer. Or whatever language they know you're going to understand, they're going to answer because they're in collective consciousness. They have access to everything.

Logan Mathias: 1:16:37

It's amazing. It's like the Rosetta Stone. Yeah, it really is Kind of.

Nicole Mathias: 1:16:41

Yeah, right.

Logan Mathias: 1:16:42

Yeah, that's amazing. Well, tony, I don't have enough words to thank you for coming on and kind of sharing this with us.

Tony Rathman: 1:16:49

I appreciate it.

Logan Mathias: 1:16:50

Oh yeah, I do have one thing to say, though I'm from Tucson Really. So yeah, I'm originally from Tucson, so thank you for spending time with the wildcat. Hopefully that's okay.

Tony Rathman: 1:17:00

That's fine. No, that great team. I lived in Tucson for about three years. I've been all over the country, though, but I liked it down there it was, it was. It was great and not quite as hot as Phoenix is as Phoenix.

Nicole Mathias: 1:17:13

no, Nothing's quite as hot as Phoenix.

Tony Rathman: 1:17:15

There's nothing like Phoenix.

Logan Mathias: 1:17:17

Real quick story. We went to Mills Mall, which I don't even know if it's still open or what's going on over there, but she was wearing flip-flops. We're walking from our vehicle. This is summertime, we're walking from our vehicle and it's not that far away. Tony, where we parked, and her shoes, her flip-flops started melting, it's just wild.

Tony Rathman: 1:17:37

I bet that happened, it's 117 out and the pavement's probably 130. Changes are a rubber-soled shoe or flip-flop probably going to change form.

Nicole Mathias: 1:17:49

Yeah, especially the cheap Old Navy flip-flop probably going to change form. Yeah, especially the cheap Old Navy flip-flops, which is what I was wearing at the time.

Logan Mathias: 1:17:55

I mean, it is what it is, but again, tony, thank you so much. We look forward and hopefully have you back on.

Nicole Mathias: 1:18:04

I'd like to kind of keep everything up to speed because we're very interested. Yeah, I'm blown away.

Tony Rathman: 1:18:06

What we're working on right now and, like I said, there's so many, so many things we're trying to accomplish. We just ripped the thing completely apart to make it more portable, because we're being asked to bring it all over the place. The other thing we're being asked is can you do this live? Can we run it live? The problem is live has one camera, one mic Right, and to have speakers blaring in my ears where you guys are trying to talk to me isn't going to work.

Tony Rathman: 1:18:35

So we're trying to figure out a way to integrate two computers together so that we can share audio and video from one onto another. It's like a share screen, but from an entirely separate computer. I'm working on that now. I had some success the other night. Hopefully it'll continue to be successful. But I don entirely separate computer. I'm working on that now. I had some success the other night. Hopefully it'll continue to be successful, but I don't know yet. But that's definitely something that people are like can we run it for a half an hour and let people ask us questions? Can it be done? I'm sure it can. We've done it in the past. 3.0 is a little more complicated, but we're working on it. But I just wanted to say thank you for having me on letting me discuss this, and I greatly appreciate. We appreciate every opportunity to be able to share the information on where ITC is heading, because this is real two-way communication.

Logan Mathias: 1:19:24

Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you so much and look forward to talking soon.

Tony Rathman: 1:19:28

All right, thank you. Thank you, thanks, tony, for coming.

Logan Mathias: 1:19:29

Yeah, thank you so much, and look forward to talking to you soon. All right, thank you, thank you. Thanks, tony for coming. Yeah, thank you, tony, and officially, my mind is completely melted. Yeah, good, bad or indifferent, if you guys, depending on how you feel about ITC look, we understand the skepticism behind it. In fact, I've got my own skepticism behind it, but this is a close system, guys, and that, yeah, and I guess to to kind of I would love to see it in action.

Nicole Mathias: 1:19:57

Oh for sure, like if we weren't going to be in potentially, the ireland, we could probably go to phenomenon, but it's during that time, yeah, um, I, I know I I don't know what to think Because, honestly, like our honey tone made it the most clear that I've ever heard it Sure, at least in certain investigations, and this is even clearer than that.

Nicole Mathias: 1:20:24

Yeah, and that kind of blows my mind a little bit. And if you go and watch I mean he's got multiple videos and kind of what we were talking to him about there at the end, the one with the guy that was speaking Turkish. When he comes across, then in English you can hear an accent in his voice.

Logan Mathias: 1:20:39

Yes, you can.

Nicole Mathias: 1:20:40

Which you can hear when you get EVPs. Yeah, through the honey tone and through even like a recorder. It's so interesting that they keep the accent, but this is like extremely clear yeah.

Logan Mathias: 1:20:53

Yeah, and I've never really been able to wrap my head around. Well, I've been able to wrap my head around it. I just have never really completely bought in to the sweeping back and forth at the radio stations because, guys, if you've never used one of these devices and if you've ever watched any of these ghost, uh, I don't want to say the words, I hate that, but any, uh, ghost hunting show, thank you, I was gonna say it, but anyway, they have a device, it does it and it picks up different things. So does it work? I agree with tony, it works. However, whenever you hear something, it's not really in the tone or in the voice of well, it can leave it open to right extreme skepticism.

Nicole Mathias: 1:21:35

Because you're right, because how do you determine as an investigator what could be just leaked radio voices or if they're actually? Now, if you act, a direct ask, a direct question and you get a direct answer. We as investigators know the difference. But for someone just watching a TV show or someone that's already very skeptical, they'll be like, oh, that's just coincidence, right? Right, and it can be just coincidence, sure, but this takes all of that away and that's what I find a little bit like just phenomenal and how they figured out how to do that.

Logan Mathias: 1:22:14

Yeah, but I also think with with SB7 and stuff like that, it takes training and it takes somebody who knows what they're doing, like Sam, for example. Yes, you know and you watch, and it's nothing for us to show we're not allowed to or whether we are or not but there was a conversation between her and somebody else at Belvoir Winery and she's a very talented person in what she does. I don't think I could do it no, I'm terrible at it Right, and it takes a trained ear to hear it.

Nicole Mathias: 1:22:45

Yeah.

Logan Mathias: 1:22:45

So, yeah, you almost want something that kind of cuts it out the problem with the honeytone and the problem with some of these things, that while it cuts some of that delay and that sound out, you lose that lower end and you lose some of the highest yeah. Right. So you never know for sure, you could be leaving a lot on the table that you don't know about, whereas something like this, that doesn't necessarily happen, that you don't know about, whereas something like this, that doesn't necessarily happen.

Nicole Mathias: 1:23:11

So my favorite clip of what we watched beforehand and then once again here on the show is the clip where it's like they realize that he's actually speaking to them, like they're just talking, and they then they're like, oh, he can hear. And what was? It was like I think it was Roxy.

Tony Rathman: 1:23:30

He's talking to us.

Nicole Mathias: 1:23:32

Like a surprise and I was like, oh my gosh, that's really cool. Yeah, it's super compelling all this stuff that you guys go to Please go, if you're even this much interested, and if you're on the video, you can see me, but the audio it's like an inch, not much there. Go check it out, because it will blow your mind. There are some crazy videos that he's got up.

Logan Mathias: 1:23:59

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Nicole Mathias: 1:24:10

Other than that, guys Contact us. Yeah, contact, we'll be on the show. Info at gxparanormalcom. We'd love to have you on.

Logan Mathias: 1:24:16

Absolutely All right.

Nicole Mathias: 1:24:17

Other than that, guys, we'll see you next week, thank you.