Episode 39: Announcing Big Announcements: Deep Feels, Live Pregnancy Experiences, Homebirths & VBAC Dreams

The O'Leary sisters drop the ultimate bombshell and dive deep into why they're terrible at sharing baby news, pregnancy symptoms that make zero sense, and birth plans that might make your mom clutch her pearls. 

Main Topics & Discussion

Why We're the Worst at Pregnancy Announcements 

What happens when two sisters share a deep, inexplicable dread of telling people they're pregnant? We're getting real about the psychology behind announcement anxiety and why the concept of creating cute Instagram reveals makes us want to run for the hills (even thought we love to see others' pop up in our feeds!). Listen in to hear about the most awkward campfire pregnancy reveal in history and find out if you're the only one who feels weird about processing other people's excitement when you're barely processing your own.

The Pregnancy Symptom Showdown 

One sister is basically glowing while the other spent months feeling like she got hit by a truck - and we're diving into why every pregnancy hits so differently. Want to know which old wives' tales actually hold water? Curious about the real deal on pregnancy nutrition versus the "eat whatever you want" myth? We're sharing our unfiltered experiences about food aversions, hormone migraines, and why genetics apparently designed us to look six months pregnant at 13 weeks.

Birth Plans That Would Scandalize Your Mother-in-Law

Ready to hear some spicy takes on birth choices? We're talking home births, hospital politics, and what it really takes to advocate for yourself in a system that doesn't always listen. From water birth dreams to VBAC hopes, we're laying out our completely different approaches to bringing these babies into the world. 

Links & Discount Codes:

8Sheep Organics: Click this link for 10% off your purchase!

Kindred Bravely: THEREALMOMHUB15 for 15% off!

Host & Show Info

Hosted by: Cally & Emily O’Leary

About the Hosts: We’re real moms and real sisters. We may look and sound alike, but our motherhood journeys are uniquely ours. We all do Motherhood differently, and thank goodness for that. Let’s learn and grow together.

Podcast Website: https://therealmomhub.com/

Like what you hear? Let us know!

• Rate & Review on Apple Podcasts & Spotify – Help others discover the show!
• Join the Conversation – Join us on social (Instagram, Facebook, TikTok), or send us a message at therealmomhub@gmail.com to let us know what you'd like to hear more of.
• Share this epis...

Transcript

(...)

I-- wait. So why-- I need to know. Why do you hate telling people you're pregnant?

(...)

I don't know. Maybe we should unpack that. I think we should because I--

(...)

I'm going to be honest, like this time around, I just didn't do it.

You didn't tell anyone. Like I think I dropped-- Wait until right now.

I dropped Easter. Oh, is this when we tell everybody?

(...)

How's that for a cold open?

(...)

Yeah, so we're both pregnant.

(...)

Again. Episode done.

(...)

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

(...)

Oh, wait. This isn't a joke. I'm going to clarify. Oh, yeah, but we actually are.

(...)

Yeah.

But I mean, like, I just think you brought up a really interesting

(...)

perspective, which is like, yeah, I don't like telling people I'm pregnant. And you and I have never talked about this before.

No, I'm wondering if we're shifting the topic of the episode. Right now. Yeah. In real time. Yeah. I wish it was a live recording so people could write in and give us some feedback. Why do we not like that? That is so weird.

Well, I think also like there's just so much effort put forth these days.

Oh, sure. Like the pressure to do it in a cute way.

I don't know. I love the wholesome like, you know, three pairs of shoes and you add another one or something. I love a cute little we made a cute thing and we're telling you. It deserves to be celebrated.(...) Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's also back up. We started this really awkward.

(...)

This is as real as it gets.

This is as real as it gets. Like I'm thrilled

be pregnant and I also have mixed emotions. Of course. We're thrilled though. Like also you are thrilled as well.

Yeah. I'm actually like 90% thrilled. Like I've had way more mixed emotions with the other kids.(...) There's like always that Nora if you're listening. Yeah, there's always like this

apprehension just because it's hard and you know, it's going to be hard but I'm like truly like this was planned like I'm really excited about it. So why don't I want to tell people I don't know.

I think.

It's kind of an awkward thing to drop because it's like big news. So then you're about to process other people's emotions reactions and maybe it's for me. It's a day where I just feel like absolute garbage and it'd be nicer to not think about it.

Because when they happen when you give birth, it's completely all-consuming.

Yes, there's no option to not think about it.

Right now. So it's like kind of like glorious denial and for me, I think like personal private anticipation.

(...)

Okay, I feel like just to really paint the picture. I'm going to share just how bad I am at telling people I'm pregnant.

picture this.

I've been married for three months. I don't know something like that.(...) There are no grandchildren

of this point when the story is happening for both your and Kevin's. Yes, both on either side. No grandchildren yet. We are going camping with mom and dad

I know I'm going to tell them

Literally the way it comes out is we're sitting around the campfire.(...) Someone offers me a beer and in this like curmudgeon like the grumpiest way possible. I'm like, yeah, I don't need a non-alcoholic one. This is how I should I'm pregnant. I don't even think I said that so like it was this moment where they were like, can search it was like a substance abuse. Was like because we're pregnant.

(...)

And then Kevin roll for like trying to save the moment. I'm so excited.

That is how mom and dad found out that they were becoming grandparents for the first time. Like I have historically been terrible.

(...)

Yeah, I didn't I forgot about that. Yeah, you dig really bad. I got it.

Yeah, I think you're worse than me. Yeah, no, I think so.

(...)

So actually this was the perfect way.

For us to tell our listeners we're both pregnant. Okay, I want to know how do people feel because new life is just the best thing to celebrate.(...) So it's not that we don't want to celebrate. Uh-huh. And I can think of moments when the baby is safe and arrived and we're settled when there have been parties or moments of like huge community celebrations for curing that I was like, yes, this is incredible. The bigger the better. Yeah, phenomenal. Like just really grateful for everyone celebrating and support. So so I love to celebrate a new life.(...) Why don't we like this?

How much of it this is going to get dark real deep or real quickly. Like how much of it is just apprehension that like we won't be able to carry full term. Like I really wonder that.

(...)

I know that's true for myself and I start to let go of that in semester two semester.

(...)

In the second trimester.

(...)

Wait, so should we say speaking of that how preggos are you?

(...)

I'm

weeks. Okay, I have to be 23 weeks. So I'm four months and change. I'm a little over halfway there. Wow.

(...)

Yeah, I'm huge. So to our point about being super awkward. I go for walks constantly in our neighborhood,(...) but there's a one of our neighbors next door. It's like I hadn't seen her in a while. I don't walk past her house with Kieran

(...) We were chatting. She goes, oh and you're pregnant because I don't even look questionable.

(...)

Like I'm not even like is she pregnant or like just really packing on the

you know, no, I am so visual. She just goes, oh,

I was like, yeah, no, I super am. That is funny. It was funny. And then we joked about like how many people I could gaslight like if there were people in my life that I just like wasn't a fan of and because of this point. Yeah, totally. This point. There's no way I'm not pregnant. I'm I'm five feet. I'm like my normal look like you could pop. Yeah, I look like I'm much further along than I am. So I'm just picturing like someone I'm just I have major beef with saying, oh, when are you doing me just being like, excuse me.

Okay.

I just feel like we're like this.

(...)

You burn just like breeding stock that like when we get pregnant our body was like, oh, yeah, this is what I was born to do because I look pregnant like I look like I'm like 20 weeks and I'm 30 20 weeks. No, I look like that. I'm 13 or 14 weeks. Like I was like, that's that's bad math. Like I'm wearing maternity clothes and like people don't even look pregnant at this point. Like I don't know something about our bodies. I think genetically are just like, yep, here it is. Well, we're both very short.

(...)

It's fine. I'm fine. It's fine.

Okay. So like how are you feeling?

I mean this last first trimester with Kieran. I just felt like absolute garbage. I was hungover 24 seven without alcohol. This one was kind of scary because I had it almost two-year-old and I was just getting these terrible hormone migraines like I have a history of really really really bad migraines that like I get knocked out.(...) You know, I'm vomiting every 20 like it's yeah, it's scary. We did a lot of brain scans when I was a child. We don't know why they happen. They're genetic.

(...)

They were calm. They came back with a vengeance. So I was waking up at like 2 a.m. 4 a.m. Just having to puke already like it was just and I didn't know when they were hit. They would hit some days. I was fine other days. I was just out all day which was really scary with a toddler. I was in charge of so that's all happening to me and I'm like

there's a baby in me like what?

(...)

Good start.

(...)

Terrible like worse than with Kieran. However, once I got to second trimester, this is what everyone told me with Kieran. Once you hit second trimester the nausea everything it's going to be fine and that never happened. I was sick that whole pregnancy with Kieran with Kieran. Oh terrible like food aversions just felt like absolute garbage the whole time.

(...)

Maybe until like halfway through third trimester. Okay.

(...)

So like the period of time that women tell you oh, you're just going to be so excited to give birth because you just want it out of you. I never hit that point with Kieran because I was like thank God. Wow. I'm so happy and I can function.

But you're feeling better now. We hit second trimester. I'm golden.(...) I think it's a girl. I really wonder because it's a really really really different experience

and it's not like you're a lot older. It's not like you've changed the lifestyle that much like

I feel like it's a boy but I think that's just because I already have one.

(...) I think that's all I know. It's all my body can do so far.

(...)

Well when I had a boy and a girl, I was shocked because really well, yeah, because like mom and dad only had girls. That's true. And then our aunties on dad's side had one gender like that's true girls or two boys or two boys on top of his side. Shock. Yeah. I have a side. Yeah. And then his cousins like he has two boys like it's all boys on his side. Okay. So yeah, when we had a girl, I was like what?

I'm feeling good.

(...)

I know you keep saying that don't hate me world energy.

(...) I know I'm like I was like slightly nauseous first trimester.

And then I would like eat and it would go away. I mean it bizarre.

This is why you're gonna have five kids because if that is how you're pregnant now.

(...) Yeah. I mean moving forward. That's not how I was with the first two. But yeah, I literally told Kevin last night. I was like maybe we'll have twins with the next round and he like did a spit take on accident. It's like yeah. Whoa, what a rictress. Five.

(...)

I'm sorry. Wait, you're pregnant right now. You're already thinking about the next one.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I'm tired and that's like my only symptom besides like the bloating and like acne whenever my hormones change.

(...)

Yeah, so annoying.

(...)

Yeah, I don't know people. I don't know every pregnancy is different. It's real.

so you're what four weeks three weeks. Wow.(...) Please

I am like just starting second trimester.

(...)

So fun.

what are your emotional feelings?

I don't really have them right now.

(...)

I don't know. I'm

think I honestly the first surprising emotion for me because

both pregnancies so far.

(...)

I'm not really accepted it until we're in second time. Like I accept it, but I also kind of hold this. Well, anything could happen. Anything could go wrong.

(...)

So I'm not good at embracing right away.

(...)

So really my first emotion other than okay, here we go.(...) It was grief like oh, I just want more time with Kieran. Yeah, just oh, but I don't get to hang out with Kieran. Well, what will this do to Kieran's toddler experience, which is so funny because I'm just so excited to give him a sibling.

(...)

That's just so common though. Like that's why I asked because I felt the same way when I found out about Nora. Like initially, I'm super excited. And then I had like real tears about like my time with Charlie. And I remember like the last time I took him to the park by myself and I knew like this is probably the last time we're going to go to the park.

it was sad. It was so sad. And then it was even hard when Nora came because like all the sudden he doesn't get all my attention.(...) Yeah, so I think that's just so real and really hard.(...) And now it's a third. I don't have any.

(...)

Really? Okay. That's what I was going to ask. Yeah. Where are you? I'm just like excited.

Cool. Yeah, like I'm like not stressed.

Okay, I know. Give me more of that energy.

(...) I mean, I just don't know if it's possible. Like I feel like that's just third child energy.

I'd be interested to hear if that's a common experience, but I kind of bet it is. I bet it is too.

I mean, I know it's going to be like absolute chaos for a while.

But like that passes, you know.

Yeah,

And I think like Charlie will actually be helpful this time around. Like I have a child old enough now because he'll be almost five when the baby's born versus when I had Nora. I just had a two-year-old like a fish fish.

(...)

I'll just beep it out. Shit-ass two-year-old.

(...)

Okay. Can we? Anyone who knows Charlie, he's like the easiest toddler.

(...)

You'd be still a toddler when you have a toddler and you birth this new tiny little being suddenly this toddler turns into like a 10-foot monster. That's just like threatening the precious new life you made. So it doesn't matter how good they are. They're just like a threat.

(...)

Mama bear goes out to your first child even.

(...)

See now I'm sad again. Sorry. Jiren would never. Sorry, but he will.

(...)

I think good to know.

(...)

My God. I'm like thinking about watching you with Nora and Charlie.

In my perception of this just like perfect golden little sweet Charlie and you're looking at him like he's a five-headed dog.

I'm like, wow. Sometimes. Yeah, when he would because he like figured out the thing that we actually cared about in our house at that point, which was our Mama Rue because we like got one on Marketplace that was still expensive on Marketplace.

(...)

Yeah, and every time I went to nurse Nora, he'd go over there and he'd just shake it. It's really hard.

(...)

What do you even think of that? So, you know what? We didn't use our Mama Rue because it made me so angry. We just had to put it in the basement.

Wow.

So he won another another chance. Charlie won. Mom zero.

(...)

Right. Like I think he'll like help Nora not touch the Mama Rue this time.

Well, and he's such a great big brother. They're just so cute together.

They are so cute.

(...)

I also think of this like from mom and dad's perspective. They're going from

three grandchildren to five. Like in a short amount of time.

I know the cousin.(...)

So fun. Cousin Club is getting chaotic.

(...)

I love it.

Yeah, we'll see. I something I worry about.

can think of a handful of women in my life where I watched them have one(...) and of course, it's difficult and shakes up your life to have one.

But they seemed to kind of just roll with the punches and kind of get back to life.

(...)

As they knew it and then to Baroque them like absolutely to was the tipping point.

(...)

It seemed to be the opposite with you like you just seemed so much better equipped to roll with Nora. Yeah, but it was Charlie.

I was mentally emotionally, but that also was the tipping point where I was like, I can't do my career anymore. Like I need to pivot.(...) I mean, that's huge.

(...)

Transcription Pending

Transcription Pending

(...)

And yeah, I've seen that happen

few times with moms from one to two.

So we'll see because I felt like one broke me.

So here we go.(...) I just think I mean for me, I felt empowered by the chaos. Almost it was like this is the most intense job I've ever had in my life when I had like new like a baby and a toddler.

(...)

And I'm still like functioning and we're all alive. Like I'm a badass.(...) So it was like really really hard and I mean, I would not choose to relive those memories. Although I am choosing you are but more but they went by so quickly. Yeah, and I feel like I came out so much stronger than I'm like, I

You're having at least five. I know

don't like the postpartum period.

(...)

I just really don't like it. No, no,

(...)

I

That's all I can say.

That's what would stop me from having more postpartum. Yeah.

(...)

So tell me about the birth that you're hoping for with number three.

I am planning a home birth which is very different. I've had two hospital births. Yeah, and I'm just like feeling ready to do it the way I want to do it. And I think I'm feeling more confident and like it's okay if it's not run-of-the-mill.

What do you mean by that?

(...)

Well, so I was talking to Heidi actually who we had on the pod Heidi Lebrunce and she was saying like it takes a lot of bravery to make a decision. That's against the grain.

Yeah, because like if you have a baby in a hospital and something goes wrong, people don't blame it on. Oh, it was in a hospital.(...) And if you have a baby at home and something goes wrong, like there's there is that fear, you know of like, oh, well you made that decision.

Interesting. So I think I'm finally just feeling confident enough to say like I want this care for my family.(...) Like it's not even just about me, but like I want Kevin and I to be at home.

(...)

You know, I want my kids to be able to come right away if they want to like

I did have my first during covid. So that's a unique experience that I'm sure I haven't fully let go of just feeling like

limited on how I how my birth would turn out.

(...)

also just

want to set myself up for a better postpartum.(...) And so getting to have a water birth

be a huge factor in that. Like I've torn with both of my other pregnancies or births and they don't have water birds at our hospital.

So just being able to do that and like get a good night's sleep that first night and just

feeling empowered.

(...)

Well, you were curious about a home birth with Charlie.

Yeah, I've kind of wanted to since the beginning, but I was in a new town at that point. Like I didn't feel like I knew enough people to ask around and find something good.(...) And I didn't trust myself to just make an appointment and decide if I thought it was good, you know, like as a new mom, I'm not going to be like, oh yeah, you're a good midwife. Like how are you going to know?

And like I'd never done it and

more power to you if you want to have your first at home, like you go girl. That was not me and I am very at peace with that.

I think Kevin also because you revisited it with Nora and Kevin was super not comfortable both times if I'm recalling correctly.

Yeah, he would have with Nora, but he wasn't like thrilled like he was definitely open to it, but it was not his what the choice he would make it. It was just him. So yeah,(...) and there was a midwife that I hadn't tried before that we used for her. So like in the hospital, so

a lot of factors, but pretty excited about it.

(...) So you're doing OB care now.(...) So you can get a referral to a pelvic floor therapist.

(...) Yes, I'm going like through our hospital system right now. And then I also that insurance will cover like ultrasounds and all that because otherwise it's out of pocket. So I'm going to do OB care like through my anatomy scan likely

then I'll just switch fully to the midwives for the end or for the second half.

amazing feeling very cared for good. Yes, you should.

How about you?

Most births would be better than the one we had.

(...)

Easy target.

(...)

Yeah, so with Kieran we did midwife care throughout the whole pregnancy which was phenomenal like hour long appointments super cared for asking really holistic questions about our lifestyle how I was feeling like emotional state like stuff. You do not get in the hospital. I mean,

it was incredible and the complications with Kieran's birth had nothing to do with the midwives. We had amazing amazing care and then I had really great care in the hospital when I needed it.

So we are going to the same hospital Kieran was born in because I know like I watched their midwife team work really well with their OB team. They're actually friendly and collaborate a lot and work and I from what I have can tell that's not always the case in major hospitals.(...) So we're working with the midwife team there and I'm feeling

about it. We found a midwife who used to work at the birth center that we were going to for Kieran. That's cool. Yeah, so she knows exactly what kind of care I want. She knows exactly like what we were hoping for with Kieran.

(...)

She's dealt with a lot of

with similar expectations for care. So she's great. She's had six kids of her own. Wow. Yeah, I think they were all home births too.

And she is really a big fan of the level of care at this hospital. So I'm feeling

just really annoyed every single time I have to deal with the hospital system just so annoyed and these are human being. Things who are

in it to care for.

(...)

Just scheduling in the 5,000 different ultrasound departments, the 5,000 different hoops to jump through.

(...)

It's just it feels terrible. I'm going to be honest and and I'm just saying that because I want

listening who has not had a baby yet or is trying to juggle all of this.

I firmly believe that we deserve better.

And in capitalist America,

(...)

which I'm like I'm a fan fan of capitalism in a lot of ways. I'm not trying to be woke right now at all. But when these

feel I feel hospitals prioritize profit over patients in most cases. And so it's all about finding the most direct route to the actual care provider.

(...)

Well, even just like reception.(...) You know, I mean I've had terrible experience with the hospital receptionist in the OB department and that's your first

when you're feeling. I mean your feelings could be so drastic when you're talking to this person.

That's why like the first time I called the midwives because I've had two hospital births were like I thought that was just normal to like do all that hoop jumping and have to call central schedule to do this and have to blah blah blah. No, and I like spoke to this woman and she was just like so wonderful on the phone. I was like what and this was actually a practice that couldn't take me and she was like gently letting me down that they couldn't take my due date and I felt more cared for.

Yeah, no, I'm I'm feeling I'm not trying to whine. I'm feeling really grateful for the care I had throughout my whole pregnancy with Kieran. I'm so grateful you're getting a piece of that because that is what every woman does. Yeah, me too. And

you're pregnant or want to become pregnant just know you deserve better and there are caretakers out there who want to give it to you. It's just really unfortunate that

have to walk through this really vulnerable amazing growth period in these really annoying systems. Yes. Yeah, they frankly feel disrespecting cold.

(...)

Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, I digress. So I'm I'm actually thrilled with our actual midwife

we were able to talk through the birth and they do offer water birth. So I'll have that option if I want it and we were able to talk through

at the hospital. So it looks you also have to get to the hospital, which is a bummer.(...) I think that's another pro for home births. If I had not had such a ridiculous birth experience with Kieran, I would absolutely be doing a home birth. The fact that you're in contractions and they make you wait until you're progressed enough to get in the car and change your whole environment.

I mean, if you're going to deliver a baby,

I mean, there are stories of women who are getting ready to deliver and they're in a war zone or something dramatic happens and their body stops. Mm

We're not going to deliver a baby if we don't feel safe. So to put all this work in at home and then get in a car and then drive to this sterile like hospitals are terrible places to me. I feel really cared for in them, but

I think God we have them and God like you walk in and think oh, this is where I'd like to bring new life into the world.

No, they like they totally suck. And thank God for the amazing nurses and care providers.

But

mean, I even remember with Nora, like I walked in and I was they once they checked me like we learned I was eight and a half centimeters. I've been puking in the shower. Like I had been in transition for at least an hour, but I'm so stoic usually and I'm in the like reception area of OB. I'm not going to be like yelling during my contractions. I wish I would. A lot of women would. I think that's great. That's not my personality.

(...) They didn't have a pretty big tolerance for physical discomfort.

Yeah, that's true. They like didn't want to believe that I needed a room. I'm like, what do you want me to show you like more pain to get me in a room right now?

(...)

This isn't meant to be the horror story about hospitals. Like we both had safe good care. Like thank goodness we had. I think I had great care.

You had not about the care provider.

No, it's just the system. But basically what my thing my point is like trust your body and trust yourself and don't be afraid to like be annoying.

(...)

Yeah, yeah, like state your needs and yeah,

(...)

because at the end of the day like they're profiting from your

insurance your actual bank. Yeah, you walked in the door. They get paid their phone. Yeah.

yeah. Anyway, so yeah, I'm it's going to be a hospital which I chose that I feel empowered to make that choice.

it never entered my mind after all signs of having a healthy pregnancy with Kieran that I would be one of the small percentage that had pre-acclamps. Yeah, and all of these other problems like yeah now that that's happened to me once. I'm like, okay, like let's I'm going to listen to this and see if we can do a V back. So I really want to be back.

Are you doing any

birth prep stuff now when I really need to start? Yeah, me too. I just realized that

I think the prep even if you don't need the knowledge.

(...)

I just think getting back in that mindset is really helpful and I wish I would have done that.

I'm wondering if maybe my approach this time will be really being proactive about postpartum.

Yeah, that's the biggest reason I want to be back is because I

had medical professionals telling me I had a traumatic medical experience with my birth and I was like, why are you telling me this? Everyone's okay. I walked away from that feeling like well, thank God for doctors and then postpartum is where I'm like that was the worst. That was traumatic.

Your

I think we should make the statement now that we are going to read the first 40 days since it's been on our reading list both of ours for a long time. Yeah, I think we are going to read the first 40 days and then maybe we'll do an episode little discussion on it for us accountability might

make

like some digital materials.(...) Great.

Yeah, that's the goal like recipes. I actually think I'll want to eat.

Oh, thank you. I would like that because like I don't want to

make you right like if someone's like, hey, how can I be helpful?

Yes, and

then you can put them like on your meal train

and like you should have someone make you a meal train also for anybody listening.(...) I didn't realize that was like the way to do it until joining a book club of women who are having babies and realizing like having a meal train website is amazing and like random people will sign up and bring you food. Like everybody should have one

then you can post your recipes and do all that. Okay, great.

How do you find book club where everyone's having babies?

(...)

I don't know. I was lucky.

(...)

Yeah, like moms that actually like read good literature and are having babies

yeah, I mean

honestly moms reading good literature. That's something that I most things I don't want social pressure for.

(...)

That though I'm like listen if she can do it with four kids. I can read five minutes a day like that would be a nice pressure.

Yeah, I needed some because others I would have proud. I still would be reading like smart probably. Yeah, fair. Just some escapism.

Really fair.

All right,

names that you really want that Kyle won't let you have?

(...) Okay, this is terrible. We haven't even talked about baby names yet.

Okay. Did you with Kieran like were there any that you were like, yes, I want this and Kylie was like, no.

(...)

Oh, let me let me see. Let me see.

I have two that I still would love to use and Kevin's like absolutely not and I get it. They're from books. I want a lorry like Lawrence like from little women.(...) I want a boy lorry. Oh cute. I also want a boy gem who was an of like Anne of Green Gables her first baby.

Well,

This is spoiler alert. If you read Anne's House of Dreams, it's really sad. The first baby does not make it second baby is James, but they call him Jim.

Kevin's put the kibosh on both of those Jim.

I'm not I'm not here for Jim. Oh, Jim. I do that. There's somebody else like Jeremy.(...) Okay. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. I just am.

Yeah. No, I love that.

(...)

Okay. I found my list. These are funny.

(...)

as me.(...) As me or as may as may.

(...)

You definitely just said as me which I know I think it's because I'm a literal.

I'm literally reading. I know you saw the accent and you as may Kyle said no.

(...)

I also wanted a Rory as a boy. Yeah, so Rory and Kyle

said like no like Rory is the name Rory is the name.

So cute.

Yeah, Eloise is still really up there for me and you can have a look like Ellie.

(...)

Yeah, yeah, that's really cute.

Lulu. I think is actually what we would. Oh, that's so cute.

Ciaran or Kyle's. No, really?

(...)

Wow.

(...)

Oh, here's the name that everyone is roasted me for Tristan. I still love.

Yeah, cuz I think of all create. I think of James Harriet.

You were the one who roasted me first in the hospital.(...) Let me take you back down memory lane. I have said I wanted Tristan and you said you like business frat boy and I was like, no from James Harriet. He was hilarious. We grew up with those books.

(...)

Oh, it's me.(...) That was you and then Sadie absolutely piggybacked. She's like, thank God. You didn't even twist it.

All right. I'm in a different place. I went right to James Harriet. I think that's a great because I reminded you know, because I just watched the oh, yeah, series.

Yeah,(...) I have loved that name my whole life because of those.

I think you should have a Tristan.

You're lying.(...) No, I'm not. I think it's great. Maybe all of a Tristan.

(...)

That would be too much.

(...)

I'm looking at my list and I'm like, you know what? I still there's some good girl names

I would bring back. Oh, I really wanted Freya.

(...) That was on our list as well.

Really wanted to Freya. And I think Kyle's like no, but I wanted Nora to be Cora. I remember that and that's very different than Nora just that one letter.

And I'd still love a Cora, but I cannot have a Cora and a Nora. Yeah, no, you're done.

(...)

That's out.

(...)

But I'm also pretty sure this is a boy. So I don't think that I'll wait why because I feel great. Are you gonna find out gender? No,

Yeah, I just yeah Nora. I was more sick than Charlie. So that's why I think it's a boy, but who knows?

(...)

You know, you won't know till Christmas time, which is my duty.

(...)

Yeah, that's sad.

(...)

I really I honestly I love Christmas at mom and dad's house. So it's an O'Leary Christmas this year, which yay.

Obviously Callie's not leaving her home.

(...)

love Christmas at mom and dad's house. Like it's just so fun.

(...)

But I would way rather have Christmas as an Airbnb in Wausau.

(...)

With you and Kev and the kids.

I don't think that's gonna fly.

(...)

I know, but I think all of us want it.

Maybe I'll try. I haven't talked to Sadie or Naomi. I just think we all want it. So maybe it's just me. I'm like isn't family a lot more important than the place also

would be magical because let's say I have a Christmas baby. Like Charlie Nora could still be like with you guys. Yeah, and then you could just like come bring Christmas to us. Yeah, my gosh. Hey, this is gonna be that's what I want. We'll do a Christmas special from this cabin.

(...)

Should I call mom and dad before this episode airs or just wait

till they listen when they listen and then we can discuss it at our family reunion coming up. Perfect. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, phenomenal.

(...)

Love it.

(...)

That's funny. All right. Well, this was a long-winded update,

actually got all the important stuff out of the way in the first two minutes.

So yeah, so if you're still here gee bless.

(...)

Oh wait really quick. What's the worst pregnancy advice you've ever gotten?

(...) Oh,

(...)

the worst pregnancy. I think there's this idea and this was weird for me with curian too.

That when you're pregnant, you can eat whatever you want. Oh, I know I really don't understand that and I really dislike it. So especially

because you burn more calories breastfeeding. Like if you're gonna pick a time when you might be when your metabolism is high. It is not pregnancy.

Well, it's just so interesting because either way what you your body is working with what you put into it. Yes.(...) And so I really it's not that's not advice so much as it is just a cultural trope and with curian. It was just so hard for me to eat anything.

(...)

I mean I was eating things that I usually really don't like like it was just the most bizarre dysphoric.

(...)

I was boiling. I love vegetables and I was boiling broccoli with my noodles to try and infuse some of the nutrients into the noodles because I couldn't eat the broccoli. Like I just that's bad and I was eating the only thing I wanted were fried potatoes and specifically strawberry ice cream. I forgot about the astral. All the time and I just the math doesn't math for me because if like this baby's growing inside you no matter what so if you're putting crap into your body.

(...)

It's actually in my opinion probably just hurting you more(...) but also not great for the whatever.

So right like the baby's trying to suck out whatever nutrients that can and then you're left with like the aftermath which yeah, yeah

and this pregnancy. I actually can eat which is in credible and

empowering to actually try and figure out how to get the protein that I need and I feel like I'm actually building out this whole other human and creating energy for myself to like nurture Kieran and Kyle and myself.

(...)

Anyways, that's a weird one. I think our generation is really changing that though. It might just be the circles. I run in but like now I feel

you need to be eating really healthy if you can and if you can't like just put whatever food you can into your body.

(...)

Right. Yeah, like yeah. Yep.

(...) Mine was definitely that random chiropractor telling me to do sit-ups when I was 35 weeks pregnant.

(...)

Please tell me that was a man. It was yeah, and he was old and I was like bye. That's actually insane after after I come in feeling like a whale trying to get rid of my sciatica and he's like telling me about his daughter who's had a c-section and looks like a model afterwards. I'm like I'm like on the table.

(...)

You know what we need to do an episode where we talk about what not not to say to a woman in postpartum or like what to say maybe we can make it more. Yes.

Yeah, pretty funny. Yeah.

fine. Well, there you go. Everybody there was a little tea for the day tea

for the day. The O'Leary sisters are breeding again. Can I say that on there?

I don't know. Yeah. Well, you just did so now, you know, if we can't remember what we were saying a second ago on any of our future interviews,

that's why

with us. Join us for the ride.

Join us for the ride. This is a whole new thing whole new life for each building.

(...)

All right, you know, have a great day.(...) You too. Thanks. Love you. Love you. Bye.

(...)