The Way to Bliss - Worldschool Hubs and Worldschooling

In this installment of the Frenchitivity Podcast, meet Nadeem and Dionne Arshad of Bliss Worldschool Hub.

The Arshads are a family of seven - Dionne, Nadeem and their 5 children and in October of 2022 they decided to deregister the children from school, sell all of their possessions, rent out their UK home and embark on an incredible adventure around South East Asia.

In this episode of the Frenchitivity Podcast, the Arshad family shares their journey of embracing a nomadic lifestyle through world schooling. They discuss the importance of community, the challenges they faced, and the transformative experiences that come from living life on the road. 

The conversation highlights the value of creativity, possibility, and tranquility in their travels, as well as the lessons learned about family connections and education outside traditional systems. 

In this conversation, we discuss the creation and evolution of Bliss Hubs, a community designed to support families traveling and world schooling. They emphasize the importance of community, the organic nature of their hubs, and the role of families in fostering connections. 

The discussion also touches on the concept of world schooling, highlighting its flexibility and the experiential learning opportunities it provides. The Arshads reflect on their journey, the emotional aspects of life on the road, and the future of Bliss Hubs as they continue to grow and adapt to the needs of families.

We hope the episode inspires you.

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Takeaways

-World schooling transforms everyday experiences into learning opportunities.
-Courage and conviction are essential for embracing a nomadic lifestyle.
-Material possessions are less important than experiences and happiness.
-Traveling as a family fosters deeper connections and memories.
-Finding a supportive community is crucial while traveling.
-Overcoming fears and doubts can lead to fulfilling adventures.
-The journey of selling everything can be liberating and rewarding.
-Education can happen outside of traditional classroom settings.
-Building a legacy through shared experiences shapes future generations.
--The importance of being present with family during formative years. Bliss Hubs were born out of a need for community.
-Creating a supportive environment allows families to thrive.
-The organic nature of Bliss Hubs fosters genuine connections.
-Community is essential for both parents and children.
-The journey of world schooling is unique for each family.


Chapters

00:00 Introduction to World Schooling and Family Adventures
03:07 The Journey to a Nomadic Lifestyle
06:05 Overcoming Challenges and Embracing Change
09:00 The Transition to a New Way of Life
11:56 Finding Community While Traveling
14:51 The Importance of Family Connections
18:01 Navigating Doubts and Fears
21:06 Building a Legacy Through Experiences
23:52 The Role of Education in a Nomadic Lifestyle
26:49 Reflections on Community and Belonging
32:38 The Birth of Bliss Hubs
35:26 Creating a Supportive Community
39:09 The Organic Nature of Bliss Hubs
41:02 The Role of Families in Bliss Hubs
51:21 Understanding World Schooling
56:00 The Future of Bliss Hubs


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Transcript

Speaker 3 (00:00.77)
The French family is made up of three, Kent, Michelle, and Everly, and has decided to live life to the fullest.  

Speaker 4 (00:16.654)
Come with us on our podcast as we chronicle our journey around the globe, bringing you stories of fringitivity, includes the three pillars, possibility, creativity, and tranquility, and ultimately learn what drives others to live life without a net.

On today's Frenchivity podcast, we'll answer the question, what is world school and why finding community while traveling the world is so important. Here's a look into one world schooling philosophy.

All we do with world screening is we take, we close that textbook and we make it a field trip. Every day is a field trip. And so our children get to smell, hear, see, and they experience it. You know, as if it was like a 7D movie. know, everything's there for them. And then they come away going, I know what a coliseum is about because I was there.

Meet Dion and Nadim Arshad, co-founders of Bliss World School Hub and the Bliss World School community. The Arshads are a family of seven. In 2022, they sold all of their possessions and embarked on an adventure around the world. During our conversation, they discussed why this lifestyle is right for them and how they're supporting others who want to do the same. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe to the Franchiativity Podcast on your preferred platform. We hope this conversation inspires you.



Speaker 1 (02:06.03)
Hello everyone and welcome to the Frenchitivity Podcast. I'm hanging out at Lanta by the Sea here on Koh Lanta Island in Thailand and it has been an experience that we will never soon forget and making our experience even better are two people joining us here on the podcast this afternoon. We have Nadim and Dionne Arshad. Thank you guys for being with us. This is amazing. We're gonna jump into some things why not only you become friends but why your stories become so inspirational to us.

Why do we want to be you when we can go out?

Thanks.

There's so many things. Yes, and this is awesome. Let's set the scene real quickly because we had several different areas we could have done this podcast, but we wanted to be by the water. With our kids, drinking smoothies except for me, because I didn't have the night that Nadeem had last night. So I'm jumping on the Chang early here, but we love to start these podcasts guys by kind of.

See you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:07.502)
We have three things that we're based on French activity is what we call us. The last name is French But I'm gonna let Michelle take this because she kind of takes things off the top

okay, great. Excellent. Well, yeah, and we'll make our way to introduce everything about who you are. But Franchitivity for us is about creativity and possibility and tranquility. And our goal is to travel the world and demonstrate where these occur. And when we were introduced to Bliss Hub and to you, you'll embody all three of those magically perfectly. So tell us how.

Have you come to be in Thailand? Why are you on the road? What are you doing here? Enlighten us.

As the Backstreet Boys would say, tell me why. Before we just talk about the backstory, just to address those three words you use, which you feel has encapsulated what this hubs means to you, there was no intention to make those three words become something to you. They just happen. Is that fair to say? They just happen. All we've done is.

facilitated an environment where like-minded families come together and that creativity and those other two words you just mentioned there, they just pop up and naturally occur and it's a very organic process that we're going through. It's evolving without us controlling it to be fair.

Speaker 4 (04:42.094)
I just do so many things in life. We are the vessel for these cool things to unfold and that is part of the journey too.

So where do we, you want to start? We want to check out the wave. How do we end up here?

of the quickest story so it doesn't go on for too long but I think like everybody they always believe there's something else and you think why are we here why we've got this house why are we what are we doing like we we had this house we didn't living it the kids went to school we didn't see them so we've got the bad bits of the school we got when they came home from school when they were tired and grumpy and we got the morning when we were rushing them to school and then we've got the the journey to school

and the stress that that creates in everything else. And we have nothing wrong with the school system, but we realized that there was more to life than the life we were living. So we started making little changes.

You forgot to mention you also got the grumpy and tired husband who had to work quite hard to maintain that un... Well, we don't say unhappy, we don't say stressed or burnt out. What we say is unfulfilled. So this tired husband was working hard to maintain that unfulfilling life for his family with... because it costs so much to live in the UK. So we're kind of like sitting there questioning what it's all about.

Speaker 2 (06:05.76)
We're not happy are we? We're are we doing it?

So.

We're just feeling like it's an average life and I'm sure that no one, some people settle for an average life, but we don't.

When you feel like you've got no choice, I think that's why. But I think we knew we'd both traveled before, so we'd seen other people living different lives. So we knew it existed, we just didn't know how we were going to do it.

Yeah, we

Speaker 1 (06:27.566)
Before we met, we'd traveled the world separately and it just so happens that we then met, made a family and then that bug that sits inside you, that travel bug, it never goes. It just needs igniting at the right point. And to Dion's point about people, you have choices, everyone has a choice, but what we found is we've spoke to so many families who've said, how did you do this? How do you travel with all those children? How do you afford it?

How do you get past all those big milestones to leave your life and start a new one? It just takes courage and conviction. And if you've got those two qualities in abundance, nothing's insurmountable. You can achieve it. And we have. And we were worried. We were really, you know, when we were selling all our stuff and the cars were gone and the house was being let out, we were like, is this right?

reason why we met that is we realised it meant nothing. That's why we were like, none of this means anything anymore. I'd rather sell everything. You say I was having a midlife crisis. I said, let's just sell it all. Let's just sell it all.

I'm naturally a hoarder. I like to hoard stuff now being a hoarder as you move around is always impossible, right? Yeah, so I'm watching all this stuff leaving the drive leaving the loft and I'm like, we might need that. We might need that. She goes, let it go. Just let it go. And so we've come I've come to realize that actually you don't need anything. The things that aren't important are replaceable and you just keep moving on and you just keep following.

You follow your instincts. Do I feel happy? Yeah. We'll stay for longer then. Do we need to change the scenery? Yeah, we can do that. Not a problem. There's nothing that's holding us back anymore.

Speaker 2 (08:11.48)
So we had a little tester, so we got the motorhome and the plan was to sell everything and live in the motorhome and just travel in the motorhome. We realized for a family of seven, it was more expensive living in a motorhome. Actually, because you've got to park that big, you can't just park anywhere, you can't just be anywhere, you've got to pay to park. So then I realized, actually, we're making our life more difficult. We've got no washing machine, there's wet, sandy clothes and towels everywhere, we have to empty our toilet.

Yeah, I think the expensive thing for Dion wasn't the showstopper. It was what she's just describing there. We're all confined to one metal tin on wheels. And although you can get out of, you know, parks and spread your, you know, stretch your legs, we are still living in that space. Together.

It's okay when it's sunny, but when it's raining and you're all stuck.

Yeah. And to put that into some context, is this all in the UK? This is in the UK. It's around you. And this is in 2020.

It was actually the first year of COVID. Okay. So we literally were very lucky because we may not have gone on our Europe trip, which we always plan to do with the motorhome. But COVID, it was a window open where we could get the motorhome, we could get on the ferry that took us to Spain from England, and everything fell into place for a short window of time. And then we were traveling around Europe during COVID. But as Dion was saying, what the motorhome trip told us was we loved that.

Speaker 1 (09:38.43)
nomadic lifestyle where you're one minute you're in Porto in Portugal and you go we're done now we've seen what we need to see we've experienced the culture let's move on to Spain and go into the mountains and it's all within your own gift

Well, you realize you need less because everything, like when you go on holiday, whatever is in that suitcase is your whole life and you don't need all your ornaments and your things at home, all your stuff. You just live out that suitcase and you're quite happy living out that suitcase. And we found that in the motorhome, we were happy living there. But then we realized actually it's probably more cost effective to live in Airbnbs than it is to live in a motorhome. And then at least we've got more things, right? More comforts, more.

Yeah. And so less bill, less overheads, less admin. I mean, I'm going to say from my perspective, it's different Deon's. Deon's looking at different things that she likes about this nomadic lifestyle that we have. Whereas for me, the pressure is lifted. I don't have to manage all the car insurances, the road taxes, the bills, the broadband. We've got a few properties that we manage in the UK. That also is an administrative burden. Yeah, we still, we literally have reduced or we call it decluttered.

by about 70, 80%. And all I've got to do now is a tax return once a year. And that's about it. the schools, the local education authority, they email me once a year to go, are your children okay? Are you homeschooling them? Is everything going all right? And we just go, yes, everything's fine. And they go, okay, we talked to you again in 12 months. That's about how much the UK cares about whether we're homeschooling properly, et cetera.

We want to dive into that a little bit more too about what you are doing. But I'm sure you have questions. I want to take a little step back for a moment because I think to your point that you brought up of like people are like, how are you doing this? How could you sell everything? And so let's sit in that moment for just a second. Like two parts to this question for me is like, how did that conversation go? Because one of the things we asked a lot is like, it's fine for one person to have a wanderlust and travel bug. And like, you know, you kind of have it and you satisfy it through certain travel. But for both of you to have it.

Speaker 4 (11:44.482)
for both of you to have it at the same time, for both of you to have it at the same time with children, how did the actual conversation go when you're like, let's do it?

weird how weird it was she says in was this during covid so she's running around with three or four laptops trying to do lessons with the teachers because they're all in zip

So I've got to log into different years at different times.

Whilst it didn't feel good, told us that actually homeschooling is possible. You don't have to put them in a classroom and drop them off and lead them to it.

think the whole world found that out, didn't they? They realized actually we can work remotely, we can change our lifestyle a little bit, that's more flexible for us.

Speaker 1 (12:32.12)
Yeah, but but you but you started to say well, why don't we maybe do this full time? They can homeschool we can travel and at the time I was like working full time. I wasn't happy happy but at the same time I was like, why would you disrupt what we have? We've got a comfortable lifestyle. The kids are in school. We're earning enough to cover the bills. We have a couple holidays a year where your typical nine to five. we're okay. What was your job?

By the way, what did you do? was financial services. So was nine to five on a laptop, products and marketing management strategy, that type of stuff, which I found out is easily transferable into a location independent lifestyle, which is great.

of this question actually and exploring this. So part of our goal too is to like this through threads, right? Like what's similar about all of us that start thinking about this? And that's one of the biggest things that, you we didn't leave anything behind except for the stuff, but what we brought with us and leveraging those skillsets. So what was transferable as you just mentioned, like how do you leverage what you knew how to do in that environment into this one?

You have to reinvent yourself to a degree because I was in a role that was quite traditional. So there was relationships to manage face to face. A bit more difficult to do that, but not impossible on a video call. So, and I found that I actually had quite a good knack for connecting people where you see opportunities for commercial growth in what they have and what they have. And I've actually now started to connect people and I've got four or five conversations ongoing that might turn into something where they go, yeah, Nadim.

you made this conversation happen, we think you should get a slice of the pie. And so I realized I don't need to be in one country to do that, or even one room or anywhere. You just need an internet connection, a laptop and some savvy and away you go. Just some savvy. But I can always fall back on my day job as I call it, because my CV is strong. And there are people that need my experience and my knowledge, especially in Asia where they see the European or the US.

Speaker 1 (14:36.59)
kind of welders ahead of the curve so they go these guys are from europe they know what they're doing let's get him in here so we can learn from him so i'm putting myself about but it's on and off it's giving us enough work to make ends meet

I think the biggest thing for you as well, he'd invested so much time in his degree that he thought he couldn't change paths. He had to stick to the job that he'd always learned. But then you realize actually, I think when you come to different countries, you realize they do things differently. There's different ways. I think there's lots of entrepreneurs here. People are always looking for ideas and businesses and different ways of doing things. So then he was like, cream on the side in a van or you could set up some food or Etsy thing or so.

I call myself

Speaker 2 (15:21.132)
you start thinking more entrepreneurial. What does the world need? What could I do? What could I

Hey, I'm marketing and product strategy. That's all I do. Actually, I'd widened it to commercial growth.

but not near anything. Well, Pussy, you also now have the space to think like that.

You don't have to be so narrow in your thought. Now you can think more and expand and do anything and try your hand at everything.

I've worked in big corporates all my life and what I realise now that I'm independent and I've got people listening to me and saying, well, you must know what he's talking about from where he's come from. Well, you can blag it to a degree, but when you're in those big corporates, they kind of mind, you become brainwashed into doing everything within a process, within a rule book, and it's quite siloed. And, you know, that for me is just liberating to know now I don't have to answer to anybody. I'm free.

Speaker 1 (16:14.22)
And I always take it too is, you know, I couldn't have done what we're doing now without the experiences I went through. I wasn't ready to do this 10 years ago. And to your point with like the degree and the business and everything going well, it's like I had the same thing, but it's like now that I'm here, all this other stuff makes sense. We're utilizing all this other experience to be able to do this with the podcasting, the broadcasting, the blogging, whatever it may be.

using her talents, using the stuff that, you know, my experience and it makes sense now. And it's interesting you talked about timing because when Dionne and I first met and we had quite a lot of children, then being very young, traveling with them probably never entered our mind. And also I was still building my CV. And so we got to a point where we think like the universe aligned for us was that our kids are now a bit older. We're definitely...

feeling a bit more like we don't want to stay in this same place in this hamster, we're all doing the same stuff. My CV is strong enough to try and get work independently and everything felt like it moved into place for us. Our parents were still healthy, et cetera, et cetera. All the things you need to consider. We didn't have any cats, leaving any dogs behind. These are the barriers that you hear people putting in the way. Oh, I can't leave my nan or I've got a cat, what can I do? I can't travel, I've got a cat. And you hear all these different.

Maybe it's fear because like you were saying you similar like where you were like no we have everything why are we changing but then now you're like oh my wife has got some skills we can harness we can work together we can do something different and opening up your your mindset but there'll be people listening to us now going that's what I am that's where I am I'm scared of this I've got everything here

When you talk about, I have a cat, my parents, or whatever it may be, or my job, or whatever it is, they're creating their own roadblocks. You can get through them.

Speaker 2 (18:11.214)
I looking, was going, because you mentioned property. he's got property, hasn't he? He's got loads of money, so he's hit.

So now, you know, that's how we want to do it. That's and go, whoa, he must have done well in broadcasting or he have sold her business. But no, we're actually utilizing funds we've had saved and some retirement. This is like, we're just putting it out there because and I, tell myself all the time, I to have to self-talk. But nobody can take away your yesterdays, but they can take away your tomorrow's. And so what we're building now will always be part of a yesterday that I will have.

you do good.

Speaker 1 (18:46.668)
with you, with Everly, with all the people that we're meeting. And my camera just fell and took out a light, but that's okay. Thank you, Ev. That was my magnet camera, Nadim. I had it so proud. That was our wide shot.

Speaker 1 (19:07.434)
A bird landed on it. Sonny, come on, bird.

This is still part of it, this is fun. thank you sweetheart.

Thank you and I appreciate it, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (19:20.728)
But no, so I hear you're saying, wait, what? No one can take away my phone. Apparently they can. No, no, no, I appreciate what you're saying. It is those, those self-induced, you know, roadblocks that we're talking about and that you can, like, these people are going to be listening to this. and that being said, I wanted to ask you, this kind of brings me into that. Our support system was good, but we had a lot of people going, I don't understand what you're doing. Why are you doing this? Even our, I will, parents, I will think my,

No one can take away.

Speaker 1 (19:50.73)
My mom and my stepdad retired at 54. They're in their early 80s now and they bought a motor home and traveled the US. So they actually went, we get it. But they're the only people that said we get it. think everybody else was supportive in their own way, but they didn't know what we're doing, why I'm doing it. I mean, I had to resign from my 20 year career, you know, and it was crazy.

That's scary because you don't know what's on the other side of that.

I won't quote anyone so they stay anonymous but I'll throw in a... you're throwing your career down the drain. You're damaging the kids. You're just... Mid-lat-quire-elves. This is not about the kids, this is about you.

their education, how are they going to socialize, how are they going to get jobs, how are they going to get like qualifications and exams and you know.

You're removed from the system which means you're a loot. People, you'll be forgotten. Your country will forget you. And all this stuff you hear.

Speaker 2 (20:49.55)
But what we understand now, that people don't understand either what's on the other side. So unless they lived it themselves, they can't give you any advice and we can't reply with anything because we don't know what's on the other side. Well, we had faith that it was going to be okay. I don't know what that is, but we were like, no, it was so amazing. It has to be.

Trust the

Speaker 1 (21:12.43)
When we looked back up that first glide, when those wheels lifted off the tarmac, I still feel the butterflies that I felt then. was like, was 90 % we're doing the right thing, but there was still that 10%. Are we, are we? You know, it was really, and I say these feelings, whether it's nerves, excitement, these are all feelings we should be feeling on a regular basis, is what makes us feel alive. I wasn't feeling those feelings in my nine to five hamster wheel routine. It was just,

unknown.

Speaker 1 (21:42.39)
work, home, school, kids.

Even the conversation of the same people, same things, the same monotonous day, like Groundhog Day, the same thing over and over again.

That's just the usual stuff.

Speaker 1 (21:54.094)
So we said to each other, if this pays off and it works, and we'll know it works after about six to 12 months, we should tell the world. So that's why we set up Meet the Arshads across all the socials. We started to document what we were doing. because we felt like it was our duty to let other, and I'm talking thousands of families out of it, as we now know, because we get quite a lot of messages from all over the world where they go, we're following you, you're inspiring us. We have no idea. We thought it wasn't possible.

You've now told us it is possible. And then they keep in touch with us and say, almost like we're mini kind of therapists for them. They'll go, I've just sold my house. And we'll go, no, don't. And then I'll get another one, cars are sold. This awesome thing, see it actually happening. I'll go, we've been there, we've been there. They don't get it. They're not getting it. Just like you were, just like we.

beginning because you don't know do you but when you live it you're like my goodness I don't why didn't we do this sooner this is crazy you did a spreadsheet didn't you of people keep like at home and

I'm a detailed person, right? I sweat the detail. It's a spreadsheet. It's to do this. It's like, spit by tabs. Finances, know, what to pack, blah, blah. And they're all there and they're still there from the original day, know, months leading up to the travel. I've also got a tracker, a cost tracker that I've kept from day one. It's now a massive spreadsheet. And is there...

It's there for many reasons. One, in case somebody else wanted to take the budget template and help themselves, we could help them. Also, just to remind ourselves, we've got to still... We're not flush with cash. We still have to maintain the budget. But it also helped us to make a video about how we've now, we spend 50 % less in our travel lifestyle around South East Asia than we do in the UK. Which is crazy. And we're a million times happier. So it's like, it's just a no brainer for anyone who's contemplating this.

Speaker 2 (23:52.802)
And it's not a one size fits all, as you know, all the people you've met, there's different types of light. You don't have to sell everything and leave forever. You can do six months at home, six months traveling. We know friends that moved away in the winter periods, instead of paying the bills to warm their house, they used that money to live somewhere else when it was warmer, right? And it balanced out, it's just crazy.

When I think what you're seeing, it's like there's different ways. is another butcher there. The whole idea is like just finding a community that's the point, the thought process. Everything we know, everything you've ever wanted is on the other side of, yes, you fill in the plate. Whatever that fear is, or whatever that gap in comfort was. And when you can get to the other side, then on the other side, what we found immediately, I started traveling. And I do think people are very supportive, but

Immediately on the other side, you're like, where's my people? I did it. I believe and I have my people, but like.

We're so about the research resonating rap. We've been back to the UK a couple of times, well once, and felt a bit lost. By the way, no one's beautiful right now. can see there's all the people here. All the hip-hop, all the archads. All sorts of food they are. They're all like... It doesn't take... They start asking things, isn't it? I'm hungry, I'm tired, I need a pool, I want a towel, I want a...

yet.

Speaker 2 (25:12.546)
Long before.

Speaker 2 (25:17.516)
during

What can we help anyone with? What does anyone need that we can help with?

I can wait until after the interview and then we'll...

then we'll sort something out. Yeah, jump in the pool, pull up, and then we'll finish up here. I didn't mean to interrupt you Nadim, I know you're talking about just your people.

Yes, people. These are our people.

Speaker 1 (25:35.726)
No, no. This is our tribe. I've never spent so much time with my family as I have over the last few years and I've got used to it. Yeah, I still want to run a mile every now and again, I wouldn't change it for the world because we also say you've only got a certain amount of time with these guys before they all literally move away, don't want to spend time with you and that's it.

This is why wanted to fast forward to the Jaden situation because that kind of sums up the question that you just asked as well. We out and we were looking for our tribe and we thought we'd naturally... Can you do a simple piece?

We're missing one

Speaker 1 (26:13.582)
Hold them. Take this. Take this. Can you all go away? All of you.

It was 14 going into 15 and we went traveling. He was already at home with us anyway because we knew he was all packing up ready to go. So when we got to the other side where we were traveling, we realized he wasn't happy and we thought he would be really happy. We did scuba diving, we did rock climbing, but we thought we'd find people. We thought we'd naturally just go to the beach, there'd be loads of kids, loads of families. But what you forget is that families are coming to places for holiday.

They come, they don't need any friends. They just want to come on holiday, have a good time and go home. They don't want to make any connections really. Where for us, it became more of a way of life. We wanted to make connections. We wanted to be part of something. We wanted our tribe and we didn't find it. So the first four months we were quite lonely. My mum flew out to visit us in Phuket. She see how our teen son's really lonely. Because you find that 15, they seem to just disappear.

There's no 15 onwards. I don't know where they go, where they are. And he got really lonely. And we tried a little bit too late, didn't we? Trying to find, every time there was a teenager, I was like, the family.

If the index does

Speaker 4 (27:31.668)
See, you know it.

I want to these people. If we'd known then what we are now, we're pretty sure he'd still be here. Yeah. the community that we've formed, which we can touch on if you want to. The community that we've formed is now littered with children for two years up to 15 years. And he would have had those companions around straight away in time as we came. And so there's not one day that goes by where we look at a message from me where we have a quick call of him and we regret that we didn't do what we could have done.

That we now know. How old is he now? He'll now be coming up to 17. Yeah. But he's has a- He's has a- He's has has a- He's has has has has He's

Valentine's Day. got loads of cousins, loads of artists, loads of friends. He went back to school and he did the last year, which is just the exams. And he treated it like a bit of a youth club because there was all these kids, they went on like camping trips and like rock bands and all this stuff. He's now in a music college. so he loves his life and he loves his independence.

From Hugs.

Speaker 1 (28:36.354)
You know. But we can't that wherever we are.

we flew him out to Kuala Lumpur. He's only just left us about two weeks ago, three weeks ago. He was in Pai with us and then we flew him home and we came here. So he can come out whenever he wants and the door is always open for him. But he sort of said, let me finish music college, let me see where I'm at. He wants to go to America, that's his thing.

I'm lost, you guys never...

Could you just come back to that house for a moment?

We have a home. People sit in that.

Speaker 1 (29:05.582)
Time is precious. I now want to spend my life as much as I can with my children, with my family, your wife. You know, there's a time limit. If I can do that where I'd only have to work two or three days a week and I can be remote, I've got the best work-life balance I could ever ask for. And now I don't have to just watch them growing up from afar. I can be with them growing up, which is what makes this lifestyle special. Because you know, like, being great.

16 years old, think that's when they then, they love you, but they need to then spread their wings and you've got to let them go. You can't.

I get sad thinking about it. I mean you now you know you're living it and you have these here going I gotta soak this in as much as I possibly can.

10 twins were like, how many, we got five years? More than five years, we know now.

sitting in a room and our work, which I enjoy, is obviously this is wonderful, but then we get to edit and put it together and put it up and do the socials and try to figure out how to market it. And Eriely will sit to us and go, when are you going to stop working? I go, well, honey, you're going to laugh Sunday, but we're all in the same room working. Like you're on a, we're doing an iPad and doing some math and we're doing.

Speaker 4 (30:17.493)
Talking about me

We're doing this, like that is, we're all in the same room together. And I traveled 150 days a year and she worked weekends, nights and holidays doing events. So we were never home at the same time. So it is a weird balance though. Like we are all together, but yet we're still working. You gotta find that balance still, right?

Yeah, it's still life. It's just life in a different play ahead.

You can't be 24-7 in each other's like, come on, let's play games now. Let's throw this stuff. Let's like, stuff has to happen.

Bye.

Speaker 4 (30:47.566)
gonna play the whole time but like no there still has to be the

I'd happily open my laptop and do that editing you just talked about on a sunland or while my shield's raining in front of me in the sea. This list really is not tough at all.

It's exactly what you said that you're building the heart to that you're building legacy that we are showing them There's a different way if they choose we are trying to show really anyone who wants to look and listen that there is a different way if they're willing to to stretch themselves and that What they were in a blessed way what she doesn't understand is this is nothing like at home that we weren't able to be together in those same ways that our minds were not always there even if we were there because we're thinking about all the other things so the

Quality, regardless, like you said, get to now watch them so much more, be with them so much more. Do you need a subway? Do you need a minute? Of course. But like even watching them right now, we wouldn't have this if we were just at home. So the quality of life increases the legacy that we're building. It's, I mean, it makes a huge difference.

it's time for them to fly the nest. We won't look back and go, we didn't maximize our time with them. We won't regret anything we've done. And those memories they take with them will shape their thinking, their future, how they spend time with their children. We've set something in motion here that's going to carry on when we're gone. The world schooling is that we've listened to and we've, you know, adapted. only three and a half months in, but

Speaker 1 (32:15.154)
I can only imagine going back to school and going reading a book and going, wait a second, I was there. I did that. It's really unique. Like you said, the groundwork we're laying for our kids. I do want to touch base based on the reason we're here, the reason we met you is the community that you have developed that you mentioned when you were talking about your eldest son.

How did this get in the bath? If only Jaden knew just how much he inspired. the emotions we felt, we were like, well, we need to now do something so that other families don't feel how we felt, you know? So we then bumped into another family quite early on in our travels, and Deborah Preston, and they were in a similar boat to us, always looking for community or like-minded families.

That's where Bliss Hubs was born.

children somehow and also we need community so our children made friends with their children and we were very close and then we just kept choosing to meet in the same place.

I'm sure we'll meet them.

Speaker 2 (33:24.529)
We met in Chiang Mai and then we met again in Pai, then we met again in Johor Bahru and then in Koh Lanta. So we just keep moving around together. we thought actually, we're really enjoying the company.

All you have to do is go, oh, we'd be great if you had a few more families that were doing, or they'd say, oh, we know another family we met when we wasn't with you. We'll ask them to come along too. And we say, well, we knew a family that we liked and we think you'd like them too. And before you know it, grow it. And if you simply just, if you simply bottle it and put a name on it and give it some form of sort of, you know, structure, then people start to say, well, you're in a

with a massive group that started.

Speaker 1 (34:08.459)
You're in a bliss community because that's what you called it. And I like that. I like the sound of that. Can I come to you, see you guys wherever you go next? And then it just evolved from there.

We had even people from England that said, you know, we want to come to Thailand. Where are you going to be? And we said, oh, we're going to be in Koh Lanta. This day, come out. And they come out and then we help them, you know, let's show you what accommodation is around and where we're going to be and what we're going to do. And then slowly, you sort of hold their hand and then you see them. It's actually a proud moment when you see them fly. You see them get a joy and yeah, we've met a lot of single moms that came out, had no idea what they were going to do, but they just had to.

break free from their old life and then seeing them come out here, find jobs, sustain their living, get a home. It's just...

The communities they're joining, they're all parents, right? So they all want to a degree, they're all gonna look after each other's children because they're parents. And then that single parent that Dion just spoke about, she feels respite, like it's not all just having to just make sure a child's okay because now the child has friends that they can play with and give her a break. that, although it sounds like a quality, that's a big thing for them.

tribe that you've been looking for that that that takes how many was it it takes a community or something or a village to raise a child? Yeah. We are creating the village. This is the village.

Speaker 4 (35:35.884)
Well, and I feel like what's so interesting about that too, and we've talked a little bit off this podcast about it, is that something happens at home and where we, you know, the United States, UK, like we've decided we're going to be really independent. We decided we can kind of do it all on our own. I mean, this goes back, it was like a whole other unpacking, right? But I didn't realize what we were sort of in until I could like take a little step out a bit.

in it because you're in it and that's the whole plan, right? You can step out of it a minute, but then you're like, we do need the village. So whether we're at home doing whatever we were doing, whether we're on the road, this village, this community. So what I find so intriguing about Bliss and about what you created is that that like we need this no matter where we are. Like this is the essence of how we learn, how we like raise our kids in a beautiful way. Like this, like Bliss should literally be everything.

It's a

I feel everything at home or abroad, if you want to say, but we just like the fact that you can pick and choose where you go and that community will follow if you know how to bring them together. And why not choose somewhere where the ocean's 30 centigrade, where everyone around you is smiling and happy and not stressed, because that improves your quality of life. And so that's what Bliss does. is wherever you want it to be. So we've touched it down into Pai, which is in Northern Thailand, to Koh Lanta, which is here.

Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia and Bali. We're not in Vietnam yet but we're looking at that. It's opened.

Speaker 2 (37:13.304)
friends already there that we were in Kuala Lumpur that are running a hub already and I think it's a paid for hub but it's for teenagers. So what we would do is just sit beside them, how can we help you with your teen hub and how can we keep our hub organic and free and the reason we want it to be free is because when you pay if you pay for something people have a very high expectation of you are now giving somebody a service.

And actually we want people to be responsible for their own families and their own decisions. And we work together to then create like as an organic friendship. Like if I'm, we've met lots of friends that have befriended me because they have a hub, a paid for hub, and they're really nice to me because they want my children in their hub. But if you take away that, that price, would you still be talking to me if you're not trying to sell me a hub?

Have we got a

Speaker 2 (38:13.218)
Not just because I've got loads of children and you want all of my children in your hub. And we're trying to keep it like that so that everybody wants to be there and they have a commitment and responsibility. They can come and go whenever they want. If you start, if it...

If you buy something, you enter into a contract, right? So you're paying for a product or a service. If there's a contract, there's an expectation.

There's nothing wrong with that because we know some have incredible hubs and you're paying for the accommodation, the food, the itinerary, and it's all done for you.

And as soon as you then have somebody saying well I've paid for this you're gonna have to do this this and this for me Otherwise, I won't be happy. I don't know what's that. No, we're gonna change how we live, So it's become a little heavier. Yeah comes that that memory Comes back and gave my way Yeah, yeah, I'd be an active beam for this or even anymore It's different. Yeah, we're not We don't want to monetize friendships no, no and that's what it

I want more

Speaker 4 (39:09.538)
Thank you.

complain to you and I want you to

Speaker 2 (39:16.462)
Strap Lyme.

We need that as a teacher. And that's a great way to phrase it. Russian days. Yes, we have got Blizz. We've got Blizz. We've got a small e-commerce store on the Blizz website where you can purchase a world scholar's family guide to Koh Lenta because it's helping you find what you need on this island. Quickly. Quickly.

coming. is merchandise coming.

The T-shirt with the bliss on it.

Speaker 1 (39:40.204)
what's safe for children because we've been here for so long and we know all the experts here and so all the contributions to this risk are family friendly. if you bought that, you then get something back in return, which helps you. If you buy it because you still don't need it you don't need it, it's a gesture towards all the hours we put in because we don't ask for anything back. So it's almost like an induit, it's like a buy me a coffee.

It answers questions that we get asked over and over and over again and it's all in the book. I'm like, there's all the visas, there's all the accommodation, this is the best restaurants for kids, you know, it's there.

Yeah.

Where the farmers are, where the grocery stores are, everything. And I think that's okay. We feel that's okay. Bliss Hubs will always be free, but if you want to buy a cap or a t-shirt with a Bliss logo on, which is great for weariness, you're getting some of your return, why not? And the kids love something. The kids love a little bit

feel like they're part of something.

Speaker 4 (40:39.918)
them. They could have a matching. Exactly. They all have their matching. I want to ask a couple of things that are a follow up on the structure. when you're not in any of these locations, like you said, the Bliss Hubs run in these other locations and you have other families that kind of support that. When you're here, you're like the main people. If you're not here, does

into

Speaker 1 (41:02.094)
of the hub is this? That's a great question because we talked about four hubs. We talked about having a rise on Vietnam. We don't have to physically be, because it's a free hub and because it's organic and it just evolves into something. We don't, as the founders, we don't have to physically be there. No. And it does require certain families with energy and drive and spare time to become focal points of that hub because people will gravitate towards them.

activities will get set up, a weekly schedule will form and then once families come and go to this community they'll know there's a schedule ready there and they choose to go to all of them or some of them and meet up. And we've seen that we've been quite lucky in every hub we have we could

call out two or three families that have that energy. Yeah, it was dot, dot and panetic. And it just wrapped. They lived there already. Don't get me wrong, on an island like this, there'll be hardly any world schooling families here between June and November. That's what going to say. it's an off season.

would say so, so Pai and Koh Lanta because of the... off season, not many people will be here anyway. So it's like, really goes on. It can.

rainy off-seasing or the

Speaker 1 (42:12.862)
nothing and a trickle but the don that we let us but the fact is that i right now we have a

Peaks. Peaks of all the seasons, that's when we will be there.

We have about 40 to 50 families here right now. All signed up for this.

This is an, and what just happened to happen for us. Like we found you very organically, very, I mean, serendipitously, of course, that we happened to be here at the time when we were like, we thought we heard about this world schooling thing. We've heard about hugs, but I don't really know what it is. And like, it just, we just didn't get it, you know, and then for a friend and a friend and then all of a sudden, and then it was you, it was you and I.

For the Blissops, is no, like you can't, you wouldn't touch the matrix and it would like, you know, and you're in some sort of bubble. There's nothing here. You could turn up, go to one activity and we don't see you for another month. It's up to you. Or you could be in, we know families that go to every activity, the gaming, the arts and crafts, the sports. They say to me, you don't have to. Harry OTs. That they want to, they want to because of...

Speaker 1 (43:19.822)
They like meeting new families, they love the fact that the kids are now saying, know, Koby's met a new friend who could be Linus. And he constantly keeps saying his Linus is going to be, and that's lovely to see.

become close as a family because our kids want to be together all the time.

Well, I've talked about this a lot on our travels as well. There's the community building and there's also that that like when you're at home we have these somewhat independent lives because of how the schedule works and someone needs to be with the kids while the other person's working or whatever it is and you're like who are our family friends? You know in our school community we have that but like outside of that and it becomes a little more difficult. Yeah, I mean if your kid becomes friends with someone but you don't really know that family yet. So to your point when you're in a place where you're all can be together

then you can get to know those families better because they're playing and you can actually have a conversation, get to know them versus like, I don't know who that family is. I dropped my kid off at soccer. I never met the other.

It's interesting too because I think we've had this conversation several times but I

Speaker 4 (44:21.23)
It's not one of ours, right?

No, no, no, I think they're okay. No, I don't have any close friends outside of work. I don't socialize. Like I never we don't have we never had time to or I guess taking the time because Michelle even talks about protecting my schedule when I'm on the road and I'm on a road trip and I've been gone for 10 days, I come home and it's like, so and so wants to go to a barbecue or go to grab jinx. Well, I never hear about it because I don't want to go anywhere.

I want silly prints.

Okay. Check for data in my study or I'll hire Don. Want those?

you've worked all week and then you bubble- spend time with him in the weekend but he wants time off so it's like- yeah. D'oh. Where'd you fi-

Speaker 1 (45:05.006)
Every four days forward to bliss, like she tells me about this. I'm like, oh, this should be great for Everly. This is awesome. I really need this. And then I'm like, wait a second. I can hang out. Like, what is that like? This is new for me. Yeah. Like not talking about work. my, like my, all it's all revolving around everything I do is all, and those are lifelong friends, but it's nothing outside of work that I have. So this is really new for me to do this. And like,

And just one more thought, like you mentioned, people want to do everything, like all the different activities. Well, Nadim is Richard Simmons. He's a new Richard Simmons. So he had...

Speaker 1 (45:45.47)
Michelle's like, oh, there's this workout, cardio class. And I'm like, what? Like, I ain't no girl. Sure, I'll go to a... I even noticed. Can you just, just expand that point? You will awesome. Can I expand on that point about, broadly speaking, the children are making friends all over the world and they're new languages from these children, these friends, and they're socializing in ways they couldn't do in a classroom environment, but the adults...

My secret life.

Speaker 4 (45:57.955)
Peace.

Speaker 1 (46:13.816)
They're making new connections that they probably couldn't have done back home. And who knows the path that me and you could walk in the future now we know each other where we where new things happen. But you may have something you bring to the table for bliss in an adult capacity. Like I've always loved training, I always loved sports, but I've always been a nine to five in a suit. All of sudden now I've got the free time to be able to say, why don't I help other people keep? Yeah.

And do what you love. And do what you you And do what you love. And do what you love. do you love. do love. And do love. do what do what love. And do do you love. And do love. And do what love. And do what you love. And do you love.

That for me is bliss. That's what we call it. The blissful life. Finding your bliss. Finding how you're feeling.

I'll just describe that, that I think you hit on a couple of things that I like, the context of at home and the nine to five and everything, it's like you are who you are and everyone around you for the, just because has decided who you are. We come to an environment like this, like I don't know you, I don't know you yet. We get to just kind of become, explore who we are meant to be, not who we became or decided was the role we were playing. Like I played a role and I like that role, I don't mind the role.

But it, but with all of me, and you come into this kind of environment, there's this freedom to be a little more playful, to be a little more like, who am I? What really would bite me up? What really would bite me up?

Speaker 1 (47:58.37)
parents we want to do. Yeah, great. Yeah, we'll help you.

say what what are you and your children?

Speaker 2 (48:04.696)
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (48:13.742)
Remaking, could do yoga classes, could do art projects, can do some kids fit. Well, what do I want to do?

freedom to do it. love that. And also I feel what I noticed very quickly is that you are drawn to those like-minded people and whenever we're anywhere that's really all you want, right? People who kind of have values around how they're raising their kids and that they like to travel and they see and pretty instantly you're like, these are like-minded people who have lots of layers to that. Very cool layers and they're willing to share some of those.

with us. It's it's it's like, know, like we go back home, I'll catch up with an old friend in the pub and he'll tell me the same things he was telling me two years ago before we left. as much as he is my friend and I love him, I want new conversations. I want new backstories. I want I want people from different parts of the world telling me different things, giving me new knowledge. And I'm not going to get that. And it's so funny you said that. That's exactly I was just thinking that as you're saying it, my world is sports and it's the same thing.

conversations over and over again. But being able to have other conversations, meet people from other countries, it just blows my mind to be able to have those. Now I'm again, not to, you know, downplay those friendships because those are lifelong friendships I always have. But these are new friendships that do add to me. You know, it's like you make me grow. And I told this to people when they were asking me, what am I doing? what are you doing? So when I come back,

whether I get the same job or a different job, I'm gonna be more valuable. I'm gonna be worth more because I'm gonna have this other experience and this other self-awareness that I've never had before. And we're only three and a half months into this thing. And I tell Michelle all the time, I don't miss anything except for maybe the people. I don't necessarily wanna go back to that same life. So how do we change it? How do we do this? And Bliss is one of those things that is helping

Speaker 1 (50:13.838)
And just again, I've just scratched the surface of what you guys have done and are doing. And so it's exciting to learn. if beaches are your thing, you've got there, Koh Lanta. If you like the mountains and, you know, less of the kind of ocean stuff, Thai in Northern Thailand. If you like a city backdrop, Kuala Lumpur is an evergreen hub.

There's families coming there all year round. We've noticed that one never really dies down. It's just there's no off season. Well, because there's no off season. It says Kuala Lumpur just carries on.

Malaysia's got a really big homeschooling community already so we just tapped into that.

Stay here.

and tapped into it. Before we wrap up, we could talk all day.

Speaker 1 (50:56.372)
I'm sorry, I'm striking.

I have a few more questions. I have a million questions, but let's touch on world school for a second, specifically. So we've kind of talked about the community that you've built, how we all benefit from just what that is, and then there's activities that kids can learn. But we are world schooling our daughter this year, and that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. So what is world schooling in this context that you utilize? It's very different.

to each family. every... There's no like guideline. It's whatever you think. It's basically whatever Evelyn wants to do. Like if she wants to, I don't know, do scuba diving or talkling or she likes sea life or she likes animals, it's as a parent, it's your job to put that in front of her and show her what is possible in those fields. So everything is different for us. We do a little bit of maths and English. So the kids like to read and they, do all online maths subscriptions just to...

Everyone's got their own texture and thing.

Speaker 2 (51:51.512)
keep up with us with a basic level. We don't push it though because they can learn from just we give them some money they'll go to a shop and they will buy their lunch out of the currency. And they're learning so many other things and I think socially I think they're learning a lot because they're learning how to communicate with lots of different

We were struggling to work out how we set a routine. Because like many other families, three years ago, were like, how are we going to get the spoiler scrolling to work? We know in our hearts it's the right thing for our children personally, it's the right thing for us, but how are we going to make it work? We realized, and in these communities, you also share ideas with other families because they're all a little bit confused, a bit scared themselves, right? You know, what if I get it wrong? What if my children don't learn enough?

because the school said that they should be learning this by this agents. You've got to decouple yourself. Don't let go. Yeah. was about unschool. So we unschooled. Nothing. Which is get your children's minds out of that kind of structure and so set times and set classrooms and set subjects and unschool. Just let them be free. Just let them open their mind, run around and they get curious anyway. Children are fungy information in nonstop. And then once we've, there's no set time for unschooling. Something you just like to carry on.

But we know, all we know is we want our children to be competent before they become adults. They're competent in financial literacy and numeracy and, you know, English language, reading and writing. And as long as they've got those fundamentals in place, everything else they get with life. if you, to your point, I think you said, a child opens a textbook and goes, that's the Coliseum in Rome. I've always wanted to go there. According to this book.

Lots of things happened here and you know this is where the gladiators were underneath getting ready to come out. Well, all we do with world screening is we take, we close that textbook and we make it a field trip. Every day is a field trip and so our children get to smell, hear, see and they experience it all, know, as if it was like a 7D movie. know, everything's there for them. And then they come away going, I know what the coliseum is about because I was there.

Speaker 2 (54:05.996)
I know what it smells like. I know the texture of an elephant because I stroked it. I know the food. know that, you know, they've got a

Real... There's so many subjects in the school curriculum that really won't contribute to our adult lives or our children's adult lives. They'll spend hours, hours and hours studying, being forced the information to just write it down on paper for two hours and go, I got the grade and then that's it and they all get washed away again. but whilst we don't not acknowledge the fact that it's important to understand there are religions in this world, they've been to temples, they've seen Buddhism in action, Hinduism, Islam.

Christianity, they've seen it all around them as we've moved around. And that's how they've got an appreciation of what religion is about.

and the difference of other people, that you don't have to be all the same person and doing the same things and wearing the same clothes and talking the same. Everyone is very, very different. So then their own individuality comes out. So I hate to be me. Yeah, I don't have to be like anybody else. I'm just me. I'm enjoying being who I am.

Book smart and world smart, right? There's these two different things. If you used to ask us, so what's going to happen at the end of the world's coding journey for them? I don't know. Me neither. I don't know. But I do know is that they're happy and we see them developing every day and there's a smile on their face while they're doing it and what will be will be.

Speaker 2 (55:27.854)
Their mental health is great and they'll be one of the most interesting people you

of any family dealing with it. I can't even describe what they'll be, but all I know is we're giving them all the tools and the experience and along this journey to be the best version of themselves. Do not be kept in that factory production line in the school system. Again, our own opinion, not poo-pooing school. a... For us, felt like they were being moulded and not...

network for a lot of people so it's not

Speaker 1 (56:00.182)
A lot of of our children, strengths and competencies weren't being noticed or leveraged. And so we just felt like it was our job to bring out their strengths and competencies through world schooling, not through asking an underpaid, overworked teacher, having to teach 30 children in a classroom, all with different learning styles, different learning speeds. She can't, she or he can't do that. They just can't give you the child what we think they need. That's why we moved out.

So, I mean, incredible. guess, you know, to kind of dovetail what Michelle said, we could continue this conversation. I will. I will. But as we, as we kind of, you know, wrap this podcast up though, you know, you guys mentioned you started this whole journey around COVID, right? The COVID time kind of got you going. Where, what's next? Is there a, is there finding a location somewhere? I feel like a wonderful flower in your ear.

Where else can

I don't know what that is. What is this flower? what is it? Is it a frangipane? Is it that one?

that's few very eyes. Smells very sweet doesn't it like honey?

Speaker 4 (57:08.502)
I had something in mine earlier, I lost it. I don't think it as beautiful. Where else can we

I do that. You know, was gonna say, what's in it? What, like in the next, where do you see it now? It's such a, it's such a career question, Iris. It's a quick question. Where do you see yourself in flying your ears? Yeah. So he's just branching, like we're a sheet man, always plans ahead. you know, the multi-instinctive lady has taught me to be less structured, less planning. We, we totally agree because we've got a teenager that's nowhere near us and we've got

parents that are getting no younger. So there is, there needs to be an out and out. One thing I can tell you for sure is the UK is no longer what we call home. It's now just another place. It just so happens that most of our friends and family are there. so it would always be a place we go back to. But right now we say, well, if you can enjoy the beaches and the beautiful weather and the happiness that comes with Koh Lanta.

between January and March. And then when you need a break for the sandflies and the mozzies, and you go off to the city of Kuala Lumpur where you love the food, you love the people and the atmosphere, and you take a break from what the oceans give you, we set like a circuit where we just kind of follow the summers. We just, say, are we happy? Yep, stay. Are we not happy? We'll move. And that's just how we've become. We would like to, I think, set up more carnivals somewhere at some point because their needs change every year.

They may no longer feel comfortable with being as transient as we are and they might want a bit more permanency as well. But when those needs come to us, we'll do it.

Speaker 4 (58:50.69)
Yeah, right. Every day, day at a time, year at a time, segment of time at a time.

The important thing is are we able to fund it and are we happy? That's it. We've got no loyalty to one place at any one time now. are, well I think we're truly no...

I feel like just this.

It makes me exited. It's liberate. It's liberatey. Have no... what's going on. We feel sorry for families that we know want to do this back home, friends of ours, yeah. But they just feel like they can't. And we just keep going on like a broken... right now, That you... I was kind of like seeing you sad. I'm enjoying the hags of the world. Like you said, you and that, I say you got all off. But one thing too I've learned, which has been so nice, is that you said it like, we get what, two weeks off a year. That's it. If If that. If that.

My dear one.

Speaker 1 (59:44.398)
So I don't feel like, and I get what? 10 day, let's call it a 10 day window. It takes me three days to decompress. I get to enjoy myself for two days and then start worrying about going back for the next three or four days. I have for the first time, I got, oh, I'm here for another month. wait, we're going to Australia for a month, then I'm going to here for a month. Like, they're excited. I'm like, it's just like, I think it's interesting how that just changes where I can actually enjoy my day. I don't feel like I have to fit it all in.

So yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06.926)
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Speaker 1 (01:00:13.142)
I can sit and enjoy and watch and play in the pool and do things and not like, I didn't do this. I didn't do this. Like I'm actually enjoying the space. only to do this that I keep now is groceries. Nothing else really. Nothing else is important. And to the point I think I made right at the start about feeling alive again. We were in Pai and we love Pai and we were like looking forward to Koh Lanta. So we had the excitement of the future.

whilst we're enjoying with the present already yeah and even if you feel sad because we're teaching the children it's okay to feel upset because you really you are happy your friends because that's an emotion that is still making you feel it's an emotion along your life right and it's a good feeling if you're sad it means you enjoyed a place and then you'll be happy when you go to the next place so we're loving the fact that we're feeling alive yeah and that we're living life to it to its fullest as well

And I think if you you see that in your family you see that in your person like hearing can't say that even you're like, there's nothing worth Seeing your family be alive together alive again their their minds opening up to what this like experience is and to your point that comes a lot of emotion come with that like we're Transient or no nuts. We're moving around. We miss people we miss things. But at the same time we're teaching this like

resiliency, this ability to come back. It's really beautiful. It's hard sometimes, but it's a really beautiful skill that when we're really comfortable at home, we're just not exercising in the same way. Yeah. So we feel like, and they're young too, right? Well, they remember parts of it. Somebody, you know, people ask us a lot, like, are you sure she's even going to remember? And you say, well, I do, because she seems to just have that. But what I do know is she'll just know. She'll know that we did this. It's like, yes, sir.

you will.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01.518)
We sometimes worry about that but actually they're soaking up so much stuff. It's shaping their thinking, the way they approach decision is problem-solving. It's all there, it's shaping and molding them. We just need to just trust and let it happen. How can people find worse? you know what? you can just put... We don't know what it is. We don't know what actually they're talking about. There's a bliss website which is the whole... But that's the whole thing.

You don't do that a lot. It's like, everybody, but you're doing plenty. But it's with the whole, that's all the funny issue. Like you don't usually even when.

Bliss in Facebook, you schoolers, it's always got bliss in the title. So if you put world schooling or bliss, think bliss, you'll find it pops up and then you choose what location you want to.

If you

Speaker 4 (01:02:49.08)
tap into. And then you make it so easy from that point forward. Once you say, I'm interested, it's like, you say,

A car- It's mad and we help, it's good. For the 50 or so families that are here, I would tell you on one hand, we've had a conversation with them beforehand to say, this is what you need to do, we're glad that you're coming. Because the other 40 are just word of mouth, it's advocacy, it's referrals. The families come here, they enjoy it so much that when someone says, we're gonna leave our country for the first time, but we wanna meet other families, someone does it for us and says, helps, you need to-

just getting tagged.

really are

Speaker 2 (01:03:48.511)
age their children are.

Not what they want. What can you help them feel settled knowing that when they get here, these families do exist. Bliss does really exist. It's not just made up. then that's it. It's organic from there onwards. You get out what you put in, I always say. So if you bring something to the table, a new skill, a new experience for the children or the adults, you start making this a better place for everyone else. Yeah. And we just let that happen. Just let it happen. Well, as the island rain is flooding in a little bit and the kids are...

Kids are getting hungry and it might be time for some full time here. It is time for us to say so long. Thank you for doing this. I mean, we can't thank you enough for spending the time, taking the time, for kicking my butt the other day. Everyone else have the fun. might not. It's crazy. Bye.

We appreciate you guys allowing us to talk more about what we've got here, spreading the word, and hopefully more and more families hear about this and they find their bliss too. Well, as we said in the beginning of this program, it's a possibility, creativity, tranquility, and you and your family and bliss encompass all three. So thank you for doing it and we will hopefully, we will, I guarantee you, we will talk to you again very soon.

Thank you so much.

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