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Future Proof HR Podcast
Welcome to the Future Proof HR podcast by Cleary, hosted by Thomas Kunjappu, Cleary's CEO. In this podcast, we dive into the latest innovations in HR, exploring how AI and automation are transforming people operations.
Thomas regularly shares his insights on the future of work, while also bringing in thought leaders who are pushing the boundaries of AI in HR to offer fresh perspectives on the challenges and opportunities ahead.
Whether you're an HR leader aiming to optimize your operations or simply curious about how technology is reshaping the workplace, Future Proof HR is your go-to resource for actionable insights and emerging trends in HR technology.
Future Proof HR Podcast
HR’s AI Reality Check: Risk, Fear, and the Case for Human Judgment
In this episode, Thomas Kunjappu sits down with Marni Helfand, General Counsel and Chief Human Resources Officer at The Planet Group, to unpack what happens when legal risk, recruiting automation, and executive fear collide.
From her rare position at the intersection of HR and employment law, Marni explains why the biggest risk isn’t using AI—it’s not using it. She walks through her team’s real-world experiments with AI recruiting tools, how they discovered hidden weaknesses in job descriptions, and why even “safe” automation can backfire without human judgment in the loop.
This conversation goes beyond compliance. It’s about helping HR evolve from paralyzed to proactive—by starting small, learning fast, and staying human.
Topics Discussed:
- How an AI recruiting tool rejected 100 candidates in 25 minutes—without human review
- Why HR’s real risk isn’t legal exposure—it’s fear and inertia
- A simple prompt that unlocks small wins: “Wouldn’t it be great if…”
- What Marni learned from running an AI recruiting pilot at a staffing firm
- Why most job descriptions are sabotaging your AI efforts
- A compliance-first approach to choosing the right AI vendors
- The HR cat-and-mouse game: AI-savvy candidates vs. AI screeners
- Why employee relations won’t disappear—but how AI can improve its output
- A call for mid-career HR pros to make the business case, not just wait for permission
If you're an HR leader wrestling with legal risk, executive hesitation, or your own uncertainty around AI, this episode offers a practical lens for moving forward—without losing the human core of your work.