The Shopify Store is Open!

In a chaotic, messy episode complete with technical issues, things falling over, and interruptions from companion animals, The Tofu Trio announces that the official Vegans Talking Shit Shopify store is open for business! But first, Joey predictably hijacks the mic to recount his adventures at MegaCon, a massive comic book convention in Orlando, Florida. While dodging cosplayers at the con, he discovered Here Comes Calico, a comic book featuring the world's first vegan antihero, who treats animal abusers with a level of extreme vengeance that would even make The Punisher cringe. Once the comic book talk settles, the gang finally gets to the actual point of this episode: the merch! If you'd like some kickass Vegans Talking Shit merchandise, such as t-shirts, hoodies, coffee mugs and more, head on over to https://vegans-talking-shit.myshopify.com. For the love of all that is holy, please go buy something so these people can finally get the validation they so desperately crave! After plugging their Shopify store, the conversation takes a sharp turn toward Vanessa's home country of Brazil, and she reveals that a beloved Brazilian icon is vegan. The show closes with a discussion about a recent survey crowning Brazil as the happiest country on Earth, with Jon offering his theories as to why Brazilians are significantly more joyful than people who live in the United States.

Be sure to tune in next week for an interview with Sgt. Vegan, a combat veteran and martial artist who defies vegan stereotypes. Learn more about him by visiting https://sgtvegan.com.

Buy some Vegans Talking Shit merchandise! Visit https://vegans-talking-shit.myshopify.com to buy Vegans Talking Shit t-shirts, hoodies, coffee mugs and more.

Vegans Talking Shit is hosted by Joey Di Girolamo, Jon Missirlian, and Vanessa Silva. Main podcast image artwork by Diego Orellana. Theme song "Flying" by TrackTribe. Visit @veganstalkingshit on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube and @vegans.talking.sh on TikTok. Send questions, comments, and topic ideas to veganstalkingshit@gmail.com, and you may get your email read during the show.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Hey everybody, welcome to Vegans Talking Shit. I'm Joey. I'm John.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

I'm Vanessa.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

And there are some technical difficulties, which is why John and Vanessa are sharing the screen. So this is kind of our way of dealing with it. And also this episode is going to be a little different. Not a vegan topic per se. We're just going to have a couple of news bits and announcements and just kind of talking shit, I guess, because I went to Megacon.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Wait, wait, wait. Before we start, make sure everyone likes and subscribes to our podcast, comment. You can find us on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. And you know, give us your feedback.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

We need a review on Apple Podcasts. We bag our listeners. Please help us. As much more reviews you get there, we help us spread the word.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Yes, exactly. Um, so pretty big announcement, though we kind of alluded to it in the uh the vegan potluck episodes. We have a Shopify store, it is open, it is open for business. So if you'd like so if you'd like to buy a vegans talking shit coffee mug, t-shirt, hoodie, teddy bear. T-shirt right here.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

Oh, the teddy bear is adorable. Coffee mug, it is super cute. The ted bear.

SPEAKER_02 1:38

Yes. Uh just head on over to vegans dash talking dash shit.myshopify.com, which I know you're not gonna remember. So I will be putting it in the episode description. I'll have a link to our Shopify store in the episode description.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

Um, also, you are going to put the link. No, I think we already have the link on let me just double check, but on Instagram, yep, we do have our link already in our Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 2:11

Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

So you can already find us. I don't even know why we're telling you people to be buying our stuff.

SPEAKER_02 2:18

Come on. So maybe this announcement is coming after people already found out about it. That's fine. Uh, so yeah, buy your vegans talking shit merch. Uh, I am a you can have two. We have the coffee mug in white, we have it in black. I prefer black. So uh yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

You have one at your house? Do you have a black one at your house?

SPEAKER_02 2:40

I do. Should I go get it? Yeah, I want to see it.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Okay, you two. Oh, this will be great for the episode.

SPEAKER_05 2:48

We'll have some more technical while you leave.

SPEAKER_01 2:52

I'll do the uh Jeopardy. Uh okay. This one, you guys have to talk.

SPEAKER_05 3:04

Enough, John. Nobody wants to listen to it.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

So, what do you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_05 3:07

We can talk about other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Is this what happens when I'm not there? Oh, Joey's back already. Good, because this this podcast is going off the rails.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

Yeah, this is the black vegan stalking shit coffee mug.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

That's the first time I've seen it, actually.

SPEAKER_05 3:23

Yeah, yeah, because he ordered a few few days ago. What do you like better?

SPEAKER_02 3:29

The white or the black?

SPEAKER_05 3:30

You probably like the black, John.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

I like the black. I mean, I I black's my favorite color, obviously. And so, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

If you guys can't decide, buy both.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Duh, that's the that's the obvious right decision. Oh my god. All right, so uh right now, a little bit chaotic. I have my stuff falling, and then I have my dog here who seems to be wanting to make a cameo appearance. Uh, but yes, check out our Shopify store, buy your vegans talking shit merchandise. Uh, yeah, yeah, support us that way, and also, you know, visit us and leave a comment on social media and whatnot. Um, something else I'd like to talk about. I went to Megacon and there is a vegan comic book.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Wait a minute, why don't you tell everyone what megacon is? Yeah, that's true. Uh, I just assumed that it was.

SPEAKER_05 4:27

I want that in my mind, like that's the one he did in Miami, or yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Yeah, Megacon is a comic book convention in uh Orlando, Florida. It's the biggest comic book convention in the state. And so I went recently and spent way more money than I should have spent. But something that I saw there, there was uh there was a comic book guy. He he's a comic book writer, he's also a huge animal rights activist, and he created this comic book.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

What is it called for our audio people only?

SPEAKER_05 5:07

That's a dog, dog, cat?

SPEAKER_01 5:10

That's a cat.

SPEAKER_05 5:11

No, it's a dog.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

It's a cat.

SPEAKER_05 5:14

He's a cat. The cat's a dog, guys.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Well, the name of the comic book is Here Comes Calico. And this is the trade paperback. He is the first vegan anti-hero. For those of you who don't really know, you know, I don't know if this is common vernacular or strictly comic books, but there are heroes, villains, and anti-heroes. Anti-heroes are people who are technically not heroes because they kill people, but they kill bad guys. Like the Punisher is a good example of an anti-hero.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

I like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

So Dexter is an anti-hero. Yes, Dexter is an anti-hero. Deadpool anti-hero.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

The equalizer is an anti-hero. That not a comic book, but yes, that was. Yeah, but I mean he he is, right? Denzel Washington and the equalizer, that's and Michael Cain, who played him well. Michael Cain was the first equalizer in the show. Remember the show, The Equalizer?

SPEAKER_02 6:09

It's not Michael Cain, John. It's Richard Widmark.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

No, no, it was Michael Cain.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Okay, let us check.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Oh my god. Let me check.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

You go on, I'll check.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

He's Star Dog in, guys.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

His name is Richard Widmark. It was the TV show from the 1980s or maybe 90s, maybe both. Uh yeah, it wasn't it wasn't my cocaine who was uh the star of the show.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

Such uh interesting name.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

Yeah, my cocaine. Uh okay, so it was just a really cool experience going to MegaCon and uh bumping into the actual creator of this comic book that I honestly, you know, it's an independent comic book. It's not like it's DC, Marvel, it's an independent comic book, and uh he actually puts a lot of the money that he makes into animal rights organizations.

SPEAKER_05 7:04

Um, that's pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_02 7:07

Yeah, so I strongly recommend, and I read, and by the way, I don't and this is on video only, so no one, but the art is pretty incredible uh for an independent comic. Um, typically independent comics have kind of wonky art, but the art in this one's pretty pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_03 7:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

So yeah, check out Here Comes Calico. It's from Sigma Comics. Yeah, so I had to give a plug to that, especially since there was talk in the early days, Vanessa. You may remember of us doing a vegan comic book.

SPEAKER_05 7:45

Well, it's still a dream, but you know, first we have to make the the podcast to get really big.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

Maybe after that you can have like a pretty interesting con what would our comic book be called? Well, right now we do have so much more like uh uh what what's the name?

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Characters, no, like uh no, you do add more people because I think we could call it uh let's see, vegans talking shit. No, wasn't it the comic?

SPEAKER_03 8:19

No, it was another was another one.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Well, no, but now we could call it that. The other one was something else that was before that was pre-vegan's talking shit.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Yeah, when when I kind of came up with the outline story, that was before. Well, I mean, I don't I think I gave it like a temporary name. What was it like just vegan heroes or something really simple like that? I don't even remember. Uh okay. Sorry guys. Those those of you watching on video are like, what the hell is Joey doing? Because I I have my dog over there who's scooting her ass all over the rug because her ass is itchy, but I have my little poster thingies behind me falling. All right, I'll try to keep it.

SPEAKER_05 9:04

Oh my goodness, look, look, Bob passing through.

SPEAKER_02 9:09

Oh, and now we have a cat.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

Okay, Bob.

SPEAKER_04 9:13

Over everybody.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Okay. We're professionals here.

SPEAKER_03 9:19

Yes, are we?

SPEAKER_02 9:22

So, okay, just get it out of the way. Once again, vegans talking shit. Uh, Shopify store. You I'll have the link on the episode description. Uh another thing I want to mention is next week we will be having uh a very unique show in that we will have a guest. I guess it's not that unique anymore. We've been having uh some guests every now and then. But yeah, the this you may know him as Sergeant Vegan, Bill Muir. He's gonna be a guest on next week's episode. So tune in. Uh, if you don't know who he is, uh Sergeant go to sergeantvegan.com, S-G-T-V-E-G-A-N.com. He is a combat veteran, martial artist, vegan chef, author. Uh he's like for a dude. Yeah, like a lot of people when you think vegan, you don't think of this guy. You know, you don't think combat veteran, you know.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Uh you can find him on Instagram. He's got a lot of uh stories there, a lot of followers. It's Sergeant Vegan on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02 10:26

Yeah, he also wrote some books uh in nonfiction, a book called Vegan Strong. Uh in fiction, Dead Meat. He wrote a children's book, The Adventures of Sergeant Piggy. So uh yeah, we're all we're all uh pretty big fans of this guy, and we want you to tune in next week to uh hear what he has to say.

SPEAKER_01 10:45

We may even have a link in this episode for next week's no cannot cannot no no no no I mean a link to him. Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

Oh yeah, oh, link to sergeantvegan.com? Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Uh and now I have my dog. Okay, I'm gonna mute my mic. You guys have to talk without I'm tired of hearing you.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Go to bed, go to bed.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

You didn't mute your mic because we heard you saying, Go to bed, go to bed, go to bed.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

So you heard me saying all that? Yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

How did you mute your yourself, Joey, in a rogue way? Well, there's fine. That's okay. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

So for you uh first-time viewers, that's uh Joey's dog, and as you can see, my cat on my lap who uh has to be attached to us at all times. Yeah, it's uh it's sad because we're going out of town next week.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:59

He's gonna be by himself. Well, he's gonna be with his sister, Mimi, but you know, yeah, just a cat seater is kind of like set. He only gets about a half hour to an hour a day of people when we're out of town. But that's all. Yeah, I mean, who else can, you know, unless you want to come over and help us?

SPEAKER_05 12:18

And actually now I have a problem because our cat seater, she will be a few days in Colombia, so I need to find another one to come the days that she she will not be here. So, and sometimes she can come twice, but most of the time she just can't come once. So I feel really bad. I bought a cute camera that can run around the house I have to set up today, so but cut my hurt, you know. Yeah, hurt, yeah, hurt, hurt, hurt. You know what I'm talking about, guys.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

You know, like so.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

If any of you live in the South Florida area and you want to come over and you know watch our cat, let us know.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Cats, you you help a lot, yes, yeah. You help a lot.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

I I ask everyone to please excuse the Khaleesi noises you're hearing, by the way, in the background.

SPEAKER_03 13:09

No, it's not bad now. No, it is not. You're not hearing her loud.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

So, okay, so I I've been watching some stuff on YouTube, Vanessa. Some really crazy shit has happened in Brazil. Um, like I made a list because it was like this thing I was watching, I think. Oh, what was it called? Uh oh man, I'm not remembering. Uh, but it was this channel on YouTube that has like dark, mysterious stories and just stuff that's like scary, dark, or whatever. And so I'm gonna read you the the the basics. You tell me if you know about these particular news stories, okay? Do you know Eloa Pimentel?

SPEAKER_04 14:01

Eloa Pimentel?

SPEAKER_02 14:03

Yeah, she was held hostage, and uh she was eventually killed by her boyfriend.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Um and her such an uplifting story already.

SPEAKER_05 14:14

Okay, we're talking about um women dying lately in Brazil. I I don't remember the names because all the time I've you know suddenly come up someone new. Uh but it has police. Oh, yeah, it's very ongoing thing. Uh Brazil is one. I don't know, I can I can say the ranking for that, but it's pretty bad. Uh, how many women uh die for men, you know, domestic violence. Domestic sometimes domestic, but sometimes it's just for being a woman. It's pretty bad. So what is that?

SPEAKER_01 14:53

That term is called femicide, right?

SPEAKER_05 14:56

I don't know in English, but in Brazil is I think it's femicide, yeah. Yeah, feminicidio. We we we called, yeah. This happens a lot. So there was recently uh uh police woman that got shot for her husband. I don't know if uh that was also police. Uh this Eloh is which one? Let's see how what happened with her. This this one you just mentioned.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

Well, it's not just that she was held hostage and killed by her boyfriend, but this girl's father happened to be a fugitive. So when the news media was trying to cover this hostage situation, the father uh they found footage of the father, and so he like he had to go on the run, even though his daughter was just killed. He had to go on the run because he was a fugitive, like he he was uh he couldn't be seen. If he was on TV, then it's like, hey, that's that fugitive. So yeah, he was eventually found. Um, but yeah, that you're right, John. That is a depressing as hell story. They're all kind of depressing, but that one was particularly depressing. But this one, do you know Zuzu?

SPEAKER_05 16:06

This one I didn't uh hear about.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

Do you know Zuzu Par? No, I'm sorry, Zuzu Menegil. Spelled XU XU Sha. Yeah, so she had a TV show, yeah, and it was a very, very famous TV show, but then at one point the stage caught on fire, and after the stage caught on fire, uh, like nobody um was killed, but it was on TV, like she's having this show, and then all of a sudden the prop on the stage caught on fire, and it was all like being recorded. It was like everyone in Brazil is watching this as it happens.

SPEAKER_05 16:50

Yeah, yeah. Shusha Menegal, she she's the most famous. Uh, she was like a kid, um, you know, she she was a host of a show, but basically for kids. Every single kid from I don't know. I think I think even now the kids is still knowing who she is, so she's huge in Brazil, not in Brazil only, but in Venezuela too. And I discovered recently because a friend of mine saw her and she said, Oh, she's my queen. I'm like, What? Yes, she's big in Venezuela, and I was like, I had no idea. Because for a period of time, when I was a kid, she left the country and she went to work abroad, and probably were like um, I think it was in Spain, but became big in some countries in South America because the Spanish language probably they they they put all over, and she is my favorite vegan.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

She's vegan, yes. Wow, Joey, you didn't even know when you brought her up.

SPEAKER_05 17:58

Wow, she's very she's super activist, so she's not only vegan, but she's very loud spoke, you know. That's awesome, super in perfect shape with six-year-old, six or sixty-something, I think she is right now. She's still gorgeous, beautiful, doesn't miss a like a protein for her, you know. And she always is talking about veganism. Not only her, but her husband, husband, boyfriend, I think his boyfriend also is vegan, and uh they are a really beautiful couple.

SPEAKER_02 18:36

So well, that's really cool. Uh, this channel did not mention that. Um, but I think it's really awesome that we just accidentally uh stepped into that. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_05 18:46

Um I don't know how long the this happens in the stage. I really don't record. Might be like a really old uh thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

It looks like it was old, like maybe the 90s.

SPEAKER_05 18:59

Yeah, yeah, because they really don't record. If it was something recently, probably it'd be all over social media. Once you move, uh join many things that's going on in our country, we don't know anymore. You know, uh it's kind of sometimes I see when I go back some musicians that everybody already knows, but I I did I never hear before because you are like abroad, you know, you many things you miss. You you know things that pop up in social media, but other than that, it just doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 19:35

Yeah. Do you know the story about Adelir Antonio de Carly? He was a priest in Brazil who attached himself to hundreds of balloons.

SPEAKER_05 19:47

He never found it. Yeah, there is music, there is music like making jokes about Rien, you know. There is I I told him not so long ago. Not so yeah, not so long ago. We were like uh they were singing a music, and sometimes John wants to know what they're talking in the music, and they try to translate. And this my sister was together, and it kind of like it told you, oh, it's the guy he attached himself with a bunch of balloons and disappeared.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Where was he over water?

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Yeah, no, but he didn't know.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

No, for part of it, he was well, okay. I see what you're saying. Um, yeah, from what I it said, he ended up going off course and getting lost. They ended up finding the balloons floating over the ocean.

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Oh, so he he they lost, he lost, got lost in the ocean.

SPEAKER_05 20:38

Well, they didn't find all the balloons, I think. So maybe some of the yeah, I think they found part of the balloons, so but nobody never found him, right? Yeah, there is a really fun music about it. I I I feel bad to laugh about it. Sorry guys, but it's like a comic, you know, like how someone could it could allow him to do something like that.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, there was a guy that tried to jump off the Eiffel Tower with no with a with a homemade like wingsuit. This was like in the 1920s, yeah. Like he thought like his wingsuit would you know, in 1920 he'd be okay.

SPEAKER_05 21:22

Yeah, he but you know what is like uh it's kind of like impressing me is uh the people to be a priest, they study a lot, yeah. So well, not like a dumb guy in my mind, you know, how the hell he's such.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 21:42

I don't know he became an icon in the entire Brazil. Everybody knows about him.

SPEAKER_02 21:48

Well, I mean, I guess he he found some real fame just in a very unfortunate way.

SPEAKER_05 21:53

We don't know his name, we call him as Padre do Balon, like a priest of the balloon.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

I have his name. It's Adelir Antonio Di Carly.

SPEAKER_05 22:03

Nobody never you remember, but if you ask about the priest of the balloon, everybody you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

Uh the other thing, do you are you familiar with a TV show in Brazil called Oh man, is it Aq Aqui agora?

SPEAKER_05 22:18

Aqui agora, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty old.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Yeah, um, I don't want to get into Pacifics specifics, but apparently like they would they would just always cover anything that's like violence on video, just like horrible things, and they would never like censor themselves, like they would just show it, and it was not too late.

SPEAKER_05 22:43

So as a kid, I could watch many times.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

Oh man, yeah, you know what a key uh uh agora means, Joey. No, I don't. What does it mean? Here now. Oh, okay. Actually, yeah, because actually that's Spanish also. Aki is here, agora that's agora is now in is is is ahora. Uh it's uh it's and okay, agora it's spelled differently, but uh it's the pronunciation, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

That I do know, and those are two out of the ten words I know in Portuguese.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

And it's all that's funny, Joy. Sometimes I see here because in Brazil, not only that, but the soap operas, the soap operas they are very you see everything. When when the couple is kissing, they are kissing, taking the clothes off, and uh you see basically everything. So you grew up watching soap operas that's very like a sexual, violent, all of that stuff. Watching a key agora, that you couldn't see a guy in the accident, like a whole you know, piece of parts of them or like a murder or whatever. And sometimes I ask myself, like, how the hell Brazil allows kids to grow watching here. Sometimes when when the the my our niece and nephew come in in John's mom's house, it's so funny, they turn off the TV, like a regular news, not no TV for kids. And then Brazil will grow up, like watch whatever you want to watch.

SPEAKER_02 24:23

Yeah, when I when I saw some of the footage that they showed in Aki Agora, it was like, oh my god, like it's some it's truly like they just so body parts on the streets, you know, people's heads exploding. It's like, what the hell am I watching? Kids were watching that.

SPEAKER_03 24:40

Yeah, as we were.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 24:42

I grew up watching aqui agora.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

Um speaking of Brazil, there was something you posted on Instagram. I think it was your personal Instagram, not the vegans talking shit. Something about Brazil was the number one in was it happiness, happiness.

SPEAKER_05 24:59

I don't know why. We're poor, we have poor corruption, we are you have like so many problems, but we still be the happiness, happiness? No, happiest country, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

The the happiest country in South America was that it no in the world in the world. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

Because I just saw the ranking. Brazil was one, uh, it was the only one in South America. Japan was like three. I want to say, yeah, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

If I'm not mistaken, there were two Asian countries.

SPEAKER_01 25:29

Thailand was in there too, right? Thailand and Japan were in the top five, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:33

And I think number two was Spain. Was it Spain?

SPEAKER_01 25:36

Yes, Spain was in there too. Jesus, Bob, enough out of you. You're going out.

SPEAKER_05 25:41

I have some theories for that. You know, Joy. Uh, I can explain my theory. I don't know if it makes any sense, but makes sense for me. I think when countries like Brazil, when you don't have much, you always hope for. So when you're born, uh, and you cannot afford many things, you cannot travel, you cannot, you cannot do nothing. You know, you don't have money for that. Most of the people, like the percentage of poor people in Brazil is very high. I don't know if you guys search about it, but it's like uh maybe John can do the search, he loves uh C rankings. Uh so we always we are always hoping, you know, hoping, hoping. Yeah, and sometimes when you have everything, you don't have much to hope, you know. You can see like many uh of the kids of uh multimillionaires, billionaires, or whatever, they sometimes don't have the ambition, or it's kind of like a no-purpose in life, right? This can be part of, but also another thing that I I think it is like the guy say in the in the the video, you can say hi to people on the streets and don't feel weird. You know, people are going to look to you, they're not like a they don't get in the elevator and everybody looking down, you know, or in their phone for you know, for don't be weird. So maybe part two. I think two things, because it's such a poor country that people are always hoping when I get uh better, when I do this, I you know, so they always have hope, even though they end up with not much.

SPEAKER_01 27:25

I think it's a second thing that you said the culture, yeah. Because Brazil is not that poor when you look at it around the world. Brazil is in the it's like second world, it's not third world, and actually most of the world is third world. All the countries in Africa are poorer than Brazil. So many countries in Asia are poorer than Brazil. So I think, but I think it's the culture.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Could be.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

I think the culture, I think like Thailand's even probably uh poorer than Brazil, and like if it was the poorest countries, Africa would be, you know, number one through not to laugh, they would be like one through a hundred, right? Because they're the poorest places on earth. So I think it's something deep in the culture. I mean, I see it when I go to Brazil, everyone's always kind of everyone's happy, everyone's you know, it's and you see that like with Carnival. Carnival's so big, right? Like everyone knows Brazilian carnival around the world, and I think it's um you know, that's that's it's kind of where like the party where a party started was Brazil, it seems like, right? Like that's where we know how to party, that's true. Yeah, but I think it's something deeper in the culture, you know, like what Vanessa said, like here, you go in an elevator, people are like this, you know. They didn't I don't know why. There's an awkwardness, right? Like when you're in an elevator, there's also an awkwardness like with your neighbors here for some reason. You don't want to break that barrier for whatever reason, right? You I mean, a little bit you do, but there's like a barrier in the United States. I know, like my parents' house, like in their neighborhood, they know their neighbors, but they're not close with any of them. And some of these people seem really nice, but it's been like high-bye for like 20 years. Yeah, it's very strange, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:16

It is kind of funny you say that we live here for six years in this building. Six years. We we we talk with a bunch of them, most of them we don't know their names, like and never, yeah. Well, never being anybody.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

I think I actually think it's something to do with language, I think the way the language is like formed and whatever culture, that kind of means everything, right? And I think there's something with the English language that is it's it's not as open as as Portuguese, obviously, right? But Portuguese and Brazil, because I think uh Portuguese and in Portugal is probably like like America, but it's weird, like these there's people in our hall that are seem really, really nice, but it's and you know how it is, Joey. It's like who is gonna break the veil first? Yeah, it's gonna be the one that says, Hey, my name is John, or or hey, do you want to hang out sometimes? And it's it's not just neighbors in buildings or neighbors in in a in a community, it's also like the way you make friends in in the United States. It's like you have to be a you gotta have a shared interest. Like the people you're friends with, Joey, it's people probably at work, it's us, you know, other vegans that we met at events, right? Um, I have a lot of friends that play hockey. Like we're Brazil, it's like anyone. You meet someone on the street, you get their phone number, and like you you're hanging out. Like, she has good friends from Brazil that like she met on airplanes.

SPEAKER_02 30:51

So you know that doesn't count. Vanessa's very extroverted, you know.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

She she I think it's uh yeah, I can see the two different cultures, and it's it's different.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

But the the point that is Joy, even if you are open, sometimes people are not open to receive here. Yeah, so even in our in our vegan community, many of the the ladies I really tried hard to to get like a close connection, like a really close connection, not only sometimes seeing the the vegans meet ups, you know. And it's not easy you you because you can write, but the person can never come.

SPEAKER_01 31:32

Yeah, it's just so it's this deep-rooted thing, and I don't think it's the lady's fault or the guy's fault. It's this deep-rooted thing, like this privacy thing that I think maybe Americans have. I don't know, it's weird, it's hard to explain. For example, my last I don't even think they know.

SPEAKER_05 31:46

Yeah, my last uh uh place in Brazil. I I live two years in my old uh apartment in Brazil, and Joy, I I my my neighbors, because I all always were traveling, everybody was offering to watch Bob and Mimi to me without no money, just I will watch for you. I always bring it gifts and stuff like that. But many times I was arriving home parking my car because you I parked it under my my I was in the fourth floor, it was like four for stores building. So I was parking my car. Some of my neighbors was in the window. Teresa, I made dinner. Do you want? I know it's late, but I have leftovers or coffee, or like I I met Bianca like that from the balcony. Um Malu, she was like, I saw you have a cat. Do you need help? It's like it's it's just the way that we we were shaped for some reason. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:49

I think with with the United States, like maybe it's like we get taught like we have to be self-reliant. Like as soon as we're out of high school, it's like, okay, go get a job. You gotta do everything on your own. Like, where maybe Brazil, you're you're taught more to you know get help from others and help other people be the button.

SPEAKER_05 33:12

Yeah, this is very this is very important, say, in the community about help others. Uh my mom, since we were very kid, uh she always she always were very nice with people in general. So the guys that used to come like um clean the streets, not the ones that get the garbage, the ones that um uh broom? Broom? No. Swap.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

Sweep uh sweep the streets.

SPEAKER_05 33:41

She always uh she always had like a coffee made for them when they come. She always served coffee of them. So there was a spot, they stopped in the spot at home. So she was always very nice in this way. And see, I can here I can see people would close the the the gate and run inside, you know, like oh my god, they can steal me, they can, you know. It's just a different kind of culture, and she taught us since we start our first work always give, always help, always do some donation, always, you know, because always have someone needing something else, like toys. For example, my mom always we never had much because my mom didn't really have money, but when she got new toys for us, she always looked to us and asked, can you choose one to give like a for someone that's poor than us that need a toy? So we always had like we got a new we we knew we had to choose one of the old to give away. Well, sad this part was kind of like sad, yeah. There's some toys that I didn't want to give away, but anyways, was the way that she she taught us, and I think this is some kind of a community. I don't know, yeah, might be one of the reasons.

SPEAKER_02 35:01

Well, I mean, I don't I don't know who made that survey, but it does make Brazil look pretty good. So you need to visit us, you need to be there for like three months, right?

SPEAKER_05 35:15

Depends. Let's see. Let's see how don't you adapt there first.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Well, we're not sure where we're gonna when we're gonna go yet. Yeah, we are because now her some of her family wants to come here maybe for some vacation.

SPEAKER_05 35:26

So yeah, my sister's trying to come in July because it's the vacation time to come in the hottest time in the floor.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Oh well, how is it in Brazil?

SPEAKER_05 35:37

Well, I guess Brazil is so big, it's yeah, for where we live is not bad, like here.

SPEAKER_01 35:42

No, it's the opposite, it's the winter, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 35:44

Well, but even if when it's hot, it's not like here in Sao Paulo, north might be like here, but in Sao Paulo, no, north or Amazonia is probably like here. No, Amazon is worst, really. Oh, yeah, it's so humid, Joyce. So humid that I don't care about the humidity, humidity for me, it's fine. I live here fine, but in Manaus, Amazonia, when I used to go for work, uh as soon I left the airplane, was even like uh, you know, the blood pressure when you get like uh really tired, like lazy because of the heat, of the humidity, was horrible.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

Yeah, it was horrible.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

It's beautiful, Amazonia, but it's not an easy place to visit. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_02 36:33

Yeah, all right. Well, I think I think this we can end it here.

SPEAKER_01 36:39

I don't think we talked about any vegan topics.

SPEAKER_05 36:41

We did shusha over vegan, you know.

SPEAKER_01 36:46

Let's try to talk about something before we end.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

No, let's not. Let's I mean, if you want to do another episode, we can, but I don't know about yeah, because this is pushing it, and also I have to feed my dog. Like, that's that's like I have to feed my dog. Are you feeding them vegan food? No, no, so she has too many allergies. She she can't have cheese, she can't have wheat. It's it's a whole thing. It's it's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 37:12

That's okay, Joey. Yeah, she's she has the past.

SPEAKER_02 37:16

Uh all right, so for vegan talking shit, I'm Joey.

SPEAKER_05 37:21

I'm John, I'm Vanessa.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

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SPEAKER_01 37:28

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SPEAKER_02 37:34

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SPEAKER_00 37:42

Ciao.

SPEAKER_02 37:43

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