Vegan Community

The Tofu Trio revisits a topic they've touched on several times before which is the importance of vegan community. They explore why humans crave a sense of belonging whether it involves plant-based living, hockey rinks, or comic book shops. The group tackles the tired stereotype that all vegans are pale white hippies by highlighting the actual diversity of the movement across race, class, and political lines. This leads to a lively discussion about Republican vegans and Vanessa's take on why neither political party is actually doing favors for the animals. Jon then asks Joey if he'd ever vote for a vegan Republican, and Joey's answer is so incendiary that the editor had to reach for the bleep button. Oh boy. They wrap up the political talk by contemplating whether a vegan candidate could actually win a major election in this meat-obsessed country. After a quick plug for the Shopify store, the trio concludes the show by weighing the pros and cons of public protests and whether they truly help the cause. It's a spirited episode that proves The Tofu Trio can find plenty of common ground even when the conversation gets spicy.

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Vegans Talking Shit is hosted by Joey Di Girolamo, Jon Missirlian, and Vanessa Silva. Main podcast image artwork by Diego Orellana. Theme song "Flying" by TrackTribe. Visit @veganstalkingshit on Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube and @vegans.talking.sh on TikTok. Send questions, comments, and topic ideas to veganstalkingshit@gmail.com, and you may get your email read during the show.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hey everybody, welcome to Vegans Talking Shit. I'm Joey. I'm John.

SPEAKER_02 0:14

And Vanessa.

SPEAKER_03 0:15

And once again, I have to address the uh the elephant in the room. There is uh some technical difficulties we're dealing with, so those those of you watching a video will see that John and Vanessa are sharing a screen. Uh so yeah, I don't know if we can blame StreamYard for this or an old laptop, or maybe it's just that I don't know. We're we're we're none of us are really technically proficient, so I don't I don't know. But we've made it work.

SPEAKER_01 0:45

Yeah, that's fine. I'm already used to share stuff with John, you know, share the bag, you know, yeah. Share a guitar sometimes, share moisturizer, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

Actually, not like specific for him, but he doesn't wear so really I did it today, like man moisturizer, yeah. I I try like uh facial stuff for him for exactly his type of skin, but it wears like one one once a month, probably. That's not true, once in a blue.

SPEAKER_05 1:22

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SPEAKER_03 1:45

Uh yeah, yeah. Sorry, I was just checking something. Um, so today's episode is something we've touched on in the past a couple of times. Uh vegan community. And uh one of the times we talked about it, I I felt that, or I said that I felt that vegan community isn't really necessary for everybody. I still kind of stand by that, uh, just because I can speak on that personally, but I think also I'm a unique case. I'm like extraordinarily introverted, and so I think for people like me, uh maybe it's not that necessary. But even for people like me, I will also say that I've benefited greatly from it. Um, the the meetup group where I ended up meeting, through which I ended up meeting uh John and Vanessa and quite a few other people. I mean, I'd made new friends, I'd made vegan friends. And prior to you know, having that meetup group, I didn't have any vegan friends. I did date a couple of women who are vegan, but ironically, they are no longer vegan. I don't think it has anything to do with me. Uh, I hope not. They decided not to go vegan because of me, I don't know, or not be vegan because of me. I don't know. I don't think so. But anyway, I do think that uh vegan community is important. I do think it's important to you know have friends who are vegan so you're not always having to be what other people perceive to be the Debbie Downer who's like, oh, but do they have vegan options? And also just to have that support if you need it. Uh I do think vegan community is good, and uh there are apps for that. I personally recommend Meetup, uh especially since that's how I met John and Vanessa and uh everyone else in the vegan group. And yeah. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_01 3:44

I start and we'll start.

SPEAKER_05 3:48

Uh I think it's um how do I put this? I think it's ridiculous for anyone to say that they don't need a community no matter what it is. It is impossible, almost impossible. I mean, I think it's science-backed, really. Like if, for example, I play hockey a lot. Um and I have met a lot of people playing hockey, and now I have this kind of built-in community that's always there, and I feel a pressure almost, like a good pressure, that I have to show up. If I don't show up, um, they might be able to not play the game. There's people that want to see me. I do want to show up too, right? Like my friends are there, my community's there. Um, and it's the same thing with vegan. And it it made just back to the hockey, it's made me play more. It's made because there's other people there doing the same thing. And that is the same thing with if you want to work out, right? You can work out by yourself, right? But are you gonna last longer working out by yourself every day? Or maybe going to a gym, seeing other people, conversing with some other people that have the same interests, lifting weights, jogging, you know. I just think it's more like science-based than anything. Uh, AA, if you want to stop drinking, you go to AA to meet other people that have the same type issues that you're facing. And Joey, you're looking at me at a weird face, but like I'm I feel the beeps. I'm hearing the beeps in the background. That's all I hear.

SPEAKER_02 5:40

It's my stop that couldn't stop beeping.

SPEAKER_05 5:42

Did you guys hear the oven? Yes, that's why I left because the oven was beeping. So that's why I thought Joey was making the weird face.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

Let's see if they can get it this image back.

SPEAKER_05 5:51

Joey, there's there's people that are more introverted. Um and there's others that are more extroverted, and not everyone is the same, and there are people that can get it done by themselves, right? But I just think you're always gonna benefit, even the ones that are I'm I'm a little introverted, and I benefit, I benefited going to the vegan meetup. Um, it wasn't it. I I'm not saying I I benefited that I I met some other vegans and I became friends with them, but I benefit, but my veganism became way more stronger. I think Vanessa's probably did too a little bit lesser than me. But for me, I didn't want to have to come face people and be like, oh yeah, I had ice cream yesterday. It just it also opened up my eyes about how much how many other people there were and how how deep the um you know some people's veganism runs. Like we talk about Mary all the time. She's been a vegan for you know, I don't know, 30, 40 years, whatever it is. And like I'm like, wow, and it made me stronger, and it made me realize I I don't want to cheat. All these other people can do it. Why can't I? Right? Why can't I play more hockey? Why can't I go to the gym more? So I just when you talk about community, that's what it's about. No matter what the uh thing is that you're trying to do, no matter what, like if it's a good habit, like you need other people to support you to keep that coming.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

I I absolutely agree, and I want to be clear, I did benefit, I have benefited, and I am still benefiting. Um also, it's very interesting to hear other people's story. Like when we uh during the vegan potluck episode, I didn't know that Stephanie had been vegan for that long. Oh, yeah, hasn't been vegan for that long. Like that was kind of mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Joan is like surprised too. He had no idea that she was vegan for that.

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Yeah, I thought that was really cool. Um, and and I want to give a shout out to Amy, who founded the vegan group. Um, I always I always get the name wrong. Uh vegans in Restaurants, South Florida. Is that it? Or vegan at restaurants? At restaurants.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Only that vegan at the restaurants.

SPEAKER_03 8:19

Vegans at restaurants, South Florida. Yeah, she's the one who started the uh the meetup group. And so huge shout out to Amy because I because I can say that she's she's responsible for something that's changed my life, it's changed all of our lives. This podcast wouldn't exist if not for Amy forming that group, you know? So mad love to Amy for that. Um, yeah, I do think vegan community is important. Any kind of community is important, like you said, John, uh hockey. Um, for me, comic books, you know.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

I have my you just went to MegaCon, right?

SPEAKER_03 8:56

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:58

Imagine if they didn't have megacons, if they had zero conventions at all, like nothing, and then it was just like you going to, and let's say you couldn't even go to a store and buy the comic books, you could just like pay for them and then they were sent to you. Yeah, you don't it's it's you still would be interested, but it would probably be less, right? Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

Do you have friends also that like comic books too? Like uh his name. He was in our oh my gosh, Sean?

SPEAKER_03 9:31

Oh, Shane.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

Shane, yeah. He also you met him uh because of the comic books, no?

SPEAKER_03 9:38

Yeah, he actually worked in a comic book store, and that's how I met him. Uh, he worked in the comic book store I would go to every week, and uh yeah, we became friends that way. Um, yeah, I I I would say that a good half, maybe more, of my friends are comic book people. Um but yeah, something like MegaCon and sometimes that community, whether it's comic books, you know, veganism, that sense of community is important because a lot of times it gives it open arms to people who may feel like outcasts. Like what comes to mind for me is whenever I go to MegaCon or any comic book convention, uh, the one in Miami is coming up in July, uh Florida Supercon. And I'm going to a horror convention in a couple of weeks. That's going to be in Orlando. Whether it's horror or comic books, one of the things I I love about going to these conventions is that sense of community for everyone. You see gay people, you see straight people, fat people, skinny people, black people, white people, Hispanic people, trans people, and everyone is embraced people. Of course, of course. But everyone is embraced by that community.

SPEAKER_05 10:56

It's well, because they have a shared interest, they have a shared interest, and that's the same thing with our vegan community. We have a shared interest, and all those types of people that you just said, we've seen it in the vegan community.

SPEAKER_03 11:08

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 11:09

When we hear their stories, we can relate, right? When we hear about their stories with their family, how they became vegan, what what what movie or book did they see that kind of you know got them going on the right path? Yeah, yeah. So community is important, and these everyone listening and watching, like, it's probably some of you that a lot of you probably are not vegan, and you're like, oh man, how am I gonna get be vegan? Like, uh, I don't know anyone that's vegan, and you have to search it out. Go on, like Joey said. There's a there's a there's a um app called Meetup, I think it's just meetup.com or just meetup, just the meetup app, yeah. And if you as long as you're close to a big city, there are um there's always events, there's always vegan events in these cities. Um, I would go on Facebook too. There's a lot of different vegan face groups, um local ones, and then you know, throughout the nation and throughout the world, frankly. Yeah, and go to Happy Cow too. I mean, Happy Cow is where you're gonna find the restaurants. Maybe you can meet some people at restaurants.

SPEAKER_03 12:21

I love that you push Happy Cal, and I know that I always make fun of you for it, but I want to make it clear. I love Happy Cal. I do think it's great, I just think it's funny the way you uh you should work for them, dude.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

It shouldn't be ambassador. Like there is a there is a lady that we met in another uh meetup group uh around us here from the West Bump, I think. Yeah, uh she's an ambassador.

SPEAKER_05 12:49

She's uh she's a happy cow ambassador.

SPEAKER_02 12:51

Ambassador. Oh, awesome. Every single restaurant she goes, so she she got the title. John could be that because we don't use so many Jonathan. We we travel all the time. We're going to all the time.

SPEAKER_05 13:07

Well, I think you yeah, but you gotta be local ambassador. She's a local ambassador to South Florida.

SPEAKER_02 13:12

Well, we still eat in all these big restaurants all the time. I don't know. I think he should. He should start giving reviews, post the pictures of the dishes. I have all these pictures, you know.

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Yeah, well, you never post on me on um because they don't have happy pal, they're charging now. Yeah, I should post them.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

True.

SPEAKER_03 13:31

One of the things that I think may people may make people feel like they um don't want to turn off the oven. Oh well, okay. Well, we're still recording, so I'm gonna keep going. Um yeah, I think that one of the things that is important about the vegan community is that I think it can open people's eyes as far as defying expectations, because one of the things I had this conversation with my friend April, actually, just a couple of days ago. Um, she she's of the belief that veganism is a white thing, and that's something I I constantly have to talk about.

SPEAKER_05 14:18

All you gotta do is take some pictures of some of the places we go.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

And so well, that's what I always say. You know, you go to a vegan block party down here, it's an extremely diverse crowd. Yeah, and I would say that the people of color outnumber the white people, like it is not a white thing, it's not a hippie thing. You see such a diverse group of people at the vegan block party, you can't pin it down to one particular look or culture. Yes, yeah. Yeah, you can't pin us down to one look or one or one culture. You know, I know that the perception is we're all hippies, and no, it is so different. And I and I want people to know that because I want them to feel like they can join the community and not think that they're gonna be the outcast. If anything, out outcasts in any kind of community, they're usually embraced.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

It's also an Asian thing that the Buddhists, the major, are vegan, you know. Yeah, it's uh not only them, but if you even like the the Rastafari no, it's rastafari, yeah. Rastafari's in Jamaica, yeah, they're all vegan. They're not the hippies, they're they're different kinds, they just like plant their food, but they're they are they actually are the first the first vegans, so uh it's not a white thing at all.

SPEAKER_05 15:39

If we went to a um like a food fair, like just with all types of food in South Florida, versus going to the vegan block party. Yeah, we went to both, we would see more people of color at the vegan block party for sure.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 15:58

I actually think it's it's probably 50-50 at the vegan block party, and especially the food vendors is probably more, yeah. Um yeah, yeah, a lot of a lot of the yeah, a lot of people of color have have vegan restaurants throughout South Florida, and for another another thing that I think needs to be talked about, though I have to tiptoe around it, uh, is political views.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

There, it is not what people think. We have so many Republicans in our vegan group. And it's I know that everyone's like, you know, their the thought in their head is oh, vegans are just progressive, liberal, hippie, this and that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We have, I mean, off the top of my head, I can think of about five or six in our group who are Republican. And I mean, I guess uh you kind of have to have that rule, you know, let's not talk religion or politics. Uh and I try my best, but occasionally something leaks because of how I feel about the current administration. I'll just leave it at that. But yeah, people from all walks of life and throughout the political spectrum or any kind of spectrum, they are part of the vegan community. And yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

If you pulled say you say you pulled a thousand vegans though, and you did it for all across the United States, would you guess that it would be still um majority liberal? I would say majority, yes. Like a little more than the national average, right? Probably like 35 or something.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

I would say I would say that based on nothing but pure speculation, but at least 30 Republican.

SPEAKER_05 17:59

Yeah, I would say, yeah, 65 or 7. Like right now, we're about 50-50, right? The US on if you if you polled everyone.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

Well, it's tough to say because you have the independence, but if you you know, if you take out the independence, then yeah, I would say it's probably about 50-50.

SPEAKER_05 18:15

So yeah, I would I would guess it's like 65%, 70% is liberal if you polled every vegan, but that's speculation as well. I think we're we're really it's because we're in South Florida, so there's a higher percentage of Republicans here, that we get more people in our vegan group than Republicans. It's as simple as that, I think.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

Joe actually had a friend, the the guy, the vegan hockey player that we met, that he basically he has like a politician. Uh the guy living in the world. Oh, yeah, he's Republican. He's Republican and he's super vegan.

SPEAKER_05 18:55

Yeah, yeah. So I think it's really about where um people live. True. We're in New York or LA, it probably wouldn't be 70-30, probably before be like 85-15, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:12

So yeah, yeah, I think that's an important uh that's an important thing to keep in mind.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Um but also it's complicated because many things uh if you think about the political perspective. Uh I I don't like any parties, okay, guys. Just to make it clear, I'm not even I'm not any side, to be really honest. I cannot even vote next election because I don't care about it.

SPEAKER_05 19:40

What about the cat party?

SPEAKER_02 19:42

The cat party, I you would be I you'd be in the cat party.

SPEAKER_06 19:45

Me too.

SPEAKER_02 19:46

But it's just uh it is just because it's so hypocrite, hypocrite, hypocritical, yeah, it's just kind of like ridiculous. Like the the even though we are like more liberal, like all they think like vegans are more liberal, more you know what the the the the lefty did for us actually for veganism in general, like nothing, they still like supporting all these industries, you know. Did it really help to make veganism more lighting? You know what I'm trying to say, guys?

SPEAKER_03 20:25

No, I get it. Like if you look through the prisms of veganism politically, neither side is really, they just keep like feeding this industry with uh help then in taxes and all this bullshit, you know.

SPEAKER_02 20:43

As vegan, I cannot defend any of these fucking parties. Any of them, they are shit, both of them. Sorry guys, sorry, they don't help us.

SPEAKER_05 20:54

I agree because 97% of the population is non-vegan, right?

SPEAKER_04 21:00

Or is it even more than 98%? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

So I I really don't care about that. In my vegan perspective, they are shit.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

They are shit.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

I can go to suffer for us, you know. At least it's so ridiculous when they blame each other that oh, Trump did not believe in the uh global warming. Okay, do you believe? What are you doing for that? Still eating meat? You still giving like uh subsidized to to industry? It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 21:37

You know what's hilarious is that at the you know, at like the big like global warming conventions they do every year, what is it called? Like N2 or what is that thing called that they go to the uh I forgot, but they serve me. They serve meat. You know the one that they go to like once a year where they all the nations meet?

SPEAKER_02 21:53

It's like a big cop? No, what's up?

SPEAKER_03 21:57

It's like a United Nations thing.

SPEAKER_05 21:59

It's kind Of but I don't, I think it's a different organization, but same thing, really high level, like literally, like the the presidents of every nation there they go there about the problems with global warming and the the crisis throughout the world, yeah, as far as nature is concerned, and they all sort of they sort of meet there.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

I I remembering, I think it was Kamala's saying, you know, I voted for her, you know, but I would not do again, anyways.

SPEAKER_06 22:27

Would you vote for Trump?

SPEAKER_02 22:29

I would not vote for Trump never.

SPEAKER_06 22:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Never. Joy concern you don't need to have from me. You know, I could vote for another Republican in the future if it's something if they're a vegan. If if it's vegan, I voted tomorrow.

SPEAKER_05 22:45

Corey Booker.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

So he's Democrat. Depend the views, depend uh depends on many things, but I did not vote for Trump. I voted for Kala.

SPEAKER_05 22:56

This is a good question for Joey, though. If if the candidate was super vegan but also super Republican, what would you do?

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Define super Republican? Does he okay?

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Let's just say he was Republican. Kind of middle world Republican, but he was vegan.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Uh you have it's way more nuanced than that. It comes down to like where this person, yeah, that's two issues and whatever.

SPEAKER_05 23:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

I have voted Republican in the past, but not let me put it to you this way. Before I used to be uh registered as in Florida, they call it non-party affiliate, NPA. That's basically independent because there since there's an actual party in Florida called Independent, the Independent Party, if you call yourself independent in Florida, you actually belong to a party. So instead of independent, we have what's called non-party affiliate and NPA. So for most of my life I was NPA. And then uh Trump happened. And my intense hatred of him just made me go, you know what? Fuck this. I am going Democrat because he was just, and he is, even worse than he was then. So this is getting way political. So we we can just end it here. But to answer your question, John, I'd have to know a lot more than to answer to answer your question, it's just there's there's too hard. Joey, you only have three more years left, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Going back into my finish line and what I was talking about when I saw Kamala like uh making some kind of uh comment about Trump and you do not believe in global warming. And in my mind, they're like, yeah, and what did you and Biden did? Biden, Biden, sorry, did to fight for. You keep like a feeding the the media industry. Oh, that's great, that's amazing. You know, it's just like ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I don't like any of them, I'm not going to vote next time and uh God bless America because or you know, some astrother terrestrian, like a bless America, someone bless America because it's complicated.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

I would love for there to be uh a viable vegan candidate, but I think the truth is a vegan would never win an elect. Well, you know what? Maybe I'm wrong, because Corey Booker won. Uh he's a senator in uh New Jersey. New Jersey, yeah. Um so he had to win.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

What about? Oh, there is the other vegan two. Can you remember? Your friends, uh don't say, yeah, don't say well he's a guy, he's a democrat.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

Yeah, but he's not a senator.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

Well, but he's trying to run for I think he's a politician. Oh, he's a Republican. No, he's a Democrat, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

So okay, let's create the perfect political candidate. What what would that person be? I'm speaking speaking specifically, vegan. Um, what would that person be as far as you know where how they feel about this, how they feel about that?

SPEAKER_05 26:19

Well, our our specific person, my specific person would be different than hers and different than yours.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

Well no, I'm just talking about veganism. I'm just talking about vegan-related uh stuff. Uh like they couldn't just be, hey, I'm vegan and I'm running for senator or governor. No, no, no, no. But we need more stuff because we know they have to put their money where their mouth is as far as like actually. See, the problem is I think that if a candidate and I don't know what Corey did, I don't live in New Jersey, but I don't think he was saying, I'm vegan, I'm vegan, I'm gonna get rid of burgers, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna lose. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

I would love for there to be no more factory farming and but no, like under, you know, like a slow, it's lowly changed, like for example, um, because the meat industry is so powerful and receives so much tax assumptions, exemptions, assumptions, exemptions, exemptions, yeah, subsidies, subsidies, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:30

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SPEAKER_03 27:34

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SPEAKER_05 27:41

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SPEAKER_03 27:48

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SPEAKER_01 28:01

Oh, that's not even getting that.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

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SPEAKER_02 28:13

So you break everything. So, but I think it should be a good start, you know. We start to remove from a little bit, little by little, because you know, we cannot go too deep in these huge people's pockets, you know. Yeah, they just uh remove you the way that they want. But you you can start uh bringing some subsidies to vegan stuff, vegan companies, remove a little bit from the meat industry, stuff like that. It's the the only thing that really is the first thing that they can fight from the global warming is like the meat industry. What they're doing for that, like nothing, like zero. Well, they're still fighting only for the gas, that's something that you still need, you know, because we don't have uh resources enough, like a clean resource enough to provide all the energy that we need in the entire world, so the gas is still necessary. I I agree that we need to do the change, but to not go this is not going to happen for tomorrow, but eat meat is not necessary, and we are proof for that.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

You know what part of the problem, this is a little bit off topic, but especially now because we're in a war, and we seem to be in a war a lot lately, right? Like, or the world is like we're we're fighting Iran with Israel, Israel and uh Palestine was were in a war, uh Ukraine and Russia, there's wars in Africa. Because of all these wars, when people like us talk about like going vegan and stuff like that, people are like, Are you some other people are like, Are you freaking kidding me? Like, people are dying, like there's wars taking place, and you guys are like care about animals. Like, I think they're two different topics, but I don't know. I think they're kind of related because I've heard it before, right? Like, yeah, um people give us that as well. Like, what the like we're killing each other left and right for the for money, basically, right? And power, and you know, veganism is not gonna get its rightful place on on the global stage because these other things are are but veganism is the only thing you can do.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Like, what we can do that can cause any change, any change is your choice. Three times a day you can choose. You can choose less violence, you can choose less water, use it to make a beef for someone, less water use to make a milk. Uh, you you can choose three times a day at least what you put in your plate. That is the best way to fight for, because nobody here is going to the war. Someone is going to fight the war. No, but they so what we can do in our daily basis, just talk, it's not solve any problem, too. Just protest, they don't give a shit for this protest. People are protesting for so long. Since since I'm seeing here, uh, since the Ukraine, we have been seeing protests all the time.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

It's really interesting. I I uh at first when she said that about protesting, I'm like, no, I'm thinking about no Vanessa's wrong, but then right away I'm thinking, actually, she's right. We've been protesting since the Vietnam War. Yeah, I don't think it works. I literally do not think peaceful protesting works.

SPEAKER_03 31:57

I don't know. The civil rights movement may beg to differ.

SPEAKER_05 32:00

Okay, well, let's but for war it doesn't. I think if people can see for global change, it doesn't. Like we're just you know.

SPEAKER_02 32:09

I think there is a uh uh some ways can work. You can wear uh aware people what's going on, what's happening, and blah blah blah. But what involves power, money, war really don't give a shit. Nobody's giving a shit for any of this protest, they still bombing each other.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

Well, I think that a lot of it is because it's not here. Anything that's not here, that's kind of just that's a very common American thing. Like we only know what's in our country, anything that's happening elsewhere, you know, people who life goes on, yeah, yeah. That's them. That's them, that's how they see it. That's just them, and that's just the sad truth.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

That's why people, the only thing you can do every day to start to fight for many injustices, not on for animals, but for the environment, for global warming, all this stuff is a choice you do every single day. Yeah, and this is the way you can fight right now, today.

SPEAKER_03 33:20

And I think that we need I mean, I a green piece pisses me off. Uh it's like they they refuse like so many people don't understand that the problems with the environment and the animal agriculture go hand in hand. Like you you can't be I've said this before, you can't be an environmentalist and be a meat eater. You just you just can't. It's it's too hypocritical. And like you said, at the uh the environmentalist uh summit, the global whatever it's called, I don't know. Um if they're serving meat, that's pure hypocrisy. It's it's just insane. Um, and the message isn't out there. I mean, I don't know if it would really change anything, but I don't think people have in their heads that connection as far as the food that they're eating is ruining the planet. I don't know at all.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

They do all some people know already because nowadays kind of like a hard to say who knows if you were in the social media, you have seen message, you just choose, you just choose know or unknow, you know, you choose not to see it. Many people know and still do it.

SPEAKER_05 34:38

We just uh talked to someone who who made a perfect point and about they just don't care, and there's good people out there in the world, but they just don't care about this, yeah. Like they may be a great family person, great to their kids, great to their uh their community that they live in, their co-workers, whatever, but they don't care about animals and they don't care about the environment.

SPEAKER_03 35:10

You're talking about um you're talking about Sergeant Vegan. Yeah, this episode's coming out after, so we can say that you know we uh had him on the show. Hey everyone, we're gonna end it here. Uh yeah, we're just gonna end it here. We went long again, you know how it goes. So yeah, we're gonna end it here. Bye, everyone.