Can Vegan Movies Make a Difference?

Last week, The Tofu Trio went a little long while discussing the vegan community. In a move that surprised absolutely nobody, they soon abandoned the topic and began discussing whether or not movies and documentaries can actually change hearts and minds, hence this episode. Joey explains how movies and TV shows often serve as educational material, noting that the HBO series "Watchmen" taught him more about the 1921 Tulsa Massacre than he ever learned in a classroom. Vanessa pivots back to the original theme by sharing the awkward ways being part of the vegan community has impacted her relationships in other communities. Jon weighs in with his classic origin story about how the documentary "The Game Changers" turned him vegan. To wrap things up, the group discusses the possibility of inviting vegan activist Gary Yourofsky back to the show.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:09

Hey everybody, welcome to Vegan Talking Shit. I'm Joey. I'm John.

SPEAKER_04 0:13

And Vanessa.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

And we are continuing a previous episode where we began talking about a vegan community, but then we kind of went off the rails as we often do. But before we get into that episode, I'd like to remind all of you to like, subscribe, ring the bell, uh, check us out on social media, and check out our Shopify store. I will have the link in the episode description. So, yeah, there you go. So take it away. This is gonna sound ridiculous and it's gonna seem off topic, but I'm trying to make a point. I don't know if I'm gonna actually make it.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Is it gonna be about books or movies?

SPEAKER_03 0:56

Let's see. Let's see. Keep going.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Actually, yeah. Episode four of Well, okay, no, no, this is but okay. I think that and and I think we've talked about this, John. I think that in a weird way, sometimes a really good movie can open people's eyes in ways that they may not even know is changing them internally. Of course. Like I think that if there were a movie made that didn't beat you over the head, wasn't in the title, but it had kind of a vegan message. Uh I don't know how, I mean, I'm just you know, saying bullshit really, but I think that a movie okay, like you watch a movie um and you see something horrible happening to people. You might watch that movie. I'm sorry, I should be more specific. Something that happened to people in the past, a historical movie. You might not even know that event happened. Um, I remember watching uh on HBO, there was this TV series called Watchmen. Um there was a movie directed by Zack Snyder based on the comic book by Alan Moore, but this was uh this was on HBO. It was a series called Watchmen, and through that I learned about this massacre in Tulsa, where to put it you know, kind of in a crass way, basically a whole bunch of white people massacred black people. This is it it happened in Tulsa. I had no idea that it happened. The only reason I know about it now, because I wasn't taught it in school, was because of this TV show. This TV show brought up this horrible thing that took place, and then I looked it up, and it was you know, reading what actually happened is even more horrible, but I think that a lot of people saw that show and learned about what took place in Tulsa in I believe 1922, I'm not sure. Um so I think that a movie that can somehow get people to realize A, how animal agriculture is affecting the environment, b, how it affects your health, and C what it's doing to the animals. I think that if it's promoted in a way so that it doesn't come across as a vegan movie, I think it can go a long way. Now, there was a movie that kind of touched on that Fast Food Nation, directed by Richard Blink later.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

And there's there's 20 to 30 other movies, like we can go off the list, right? And there's a lot of movies. There's so many different vegan movies out there, but they don't have the budget behind them, right? Because unless it's a billionaire, unless Bill Gates all of a sudden becomes completely vegan and becomes an activist, or Jeff Bezos, or Elon Musk, or a super billionaire, and does not care about losing money. It I don't see that happening.

SPEAKER_01 4:20

But see, I it can happen because what you're saying, while you're totally right, there is a vegan director who can do that and is very well known for making billion-dollar movies. James Cameron. James Cameron, he directed the Avatar movies, he directed Titanic, Terminator 2. He should be able to do that.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

Uh he might have some vegan undertones in his movies, but he would have more of them. I mean, what I was thinking about as you're saying this is again what our sergeant vegan. You know what I want to call him, right? What sergeant slaughter? Sergeant Slaughter from the WWF.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Why?

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Because that's the only sergeant that comes to mind. When I hear Sergeant and I'm referring to someone, I'm thinking Sergeant Slaughter. Sergeant Slaughter of all the people. So Sergeant Vegan talked about. Remember, he made the joke about the happy cow cream cheese. I don't even know what that cream cheese is called, but I remember it's cute, and I remember seeing it all the time. I remember it in my mom's uh house, right? Oh, I think they're the little ones, right? The little yeah, everyone buys those because they're so cute, this little cow, right? And you see that on Chick-fil-A, right? And you see that on different commercials. It has to be industry-wide, like it can't just be one movie, like all that stuff I just described to you is subliminal, right? Yeah, they don't even know, even though they really thought about it on that billboard. There's no way those cows are happy at Chick-fil-A, they're about to get slaughtered, right? But we don't think about it, we're just like, oh, cute cow on our way to eat them.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Well, I always go back to the pig in a barbecue joint, you know. On the time I see that, yeah. You see a uh you see a pig wearing an apron, and like and he's standing in front of a barbecue and he's smiling. Like that is the biggest load of shit.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

There's a whole supermarket chain in Chicago called Piggly Wiggly, and this is a handsome pig having fun.

SPEAKER_01 6:32

Piggly wiggly.

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Well, if it has more because it's uh like this, is this is what you watch it. That was a movie, it was basically a documentary. We have good documentaries, like Cal Spirit is a pretty good one because talk about animals, talk about the environment. Uh take everything, but they don't have the budget to hitch many people, and many people I know watch it and uh didn't care.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Yeah, didn't care. Well, because of all these other things that we always talk about, they don't have a community, right? They don't know any other vegans, they they think of their life like they choose to not care. Well, right, but they also, yeah. But look, if I watch that movie, Calspiracy or Game Changers at different types of my life, if I watched it maybe without Vanessa, maybe I wouldn't become vegan. I probably wouldn't have, right? When you watch game changers where was it with Vanessa? Yes, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

You do not uh cook for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Well, I'm eating out, but I was eating out on every meal, but like I still had no friends and family that were vegan, and frankly, I still don't outside of the vegan community that I had to make an effort to meet, right? So uh what's my point? It's it's just so hard for it's not that hard, actually. We we made the choices, and after we got in the community, after we sought out the restaurants, after we sought out the food to eat, we realized it's not that hard. But before that, we thought it was right. We thought like we couldn't because we've been eating meat for freaking you know, for me, it was 40 years 43.

SPEAKER_04 8:15

43.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

And and with everyone, it's a long time. I mean, even if you're doing it like in your in your 20s, it's like you're doing it, it's just it's just hard. Every meal, if you didn't have meat at the meal, you probably had some type of meat product, right? There was probably you might not have meat, but you had a little milk in something, or cheese. And yeah, once you really chocolate, you know. I remember in the beginning, like I first were vegan.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

I'm like, what would you do with chocolates?

SPEAKER_02 8:45

Yeah, ice cream, ice cream, cheese, like even bread. I gotta worry about now, which I've made the mistake over the last couple years. Yeah, because they make it with milk, they make bread. No, most bread is vegan. Eggs, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

No, no, not the most are vegan. No, Joey. To make the tuna sandwich, I have to look the entire, you know, the public's shelf of bread. I found two that was vegan.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

Really? You better be careful. I well, I think we can get to a whole episode of a I know that the bread and cheesecake factory is vegan.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

That I know for a fact.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Why? Because they told you, because the waiter told you.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

No, because the the list of ingredients is available at the at the store. They sell the bread at the stores.

SPEAKER_00 9:39

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 9:40

What about the bread that you have in your house, Rico?

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Is that vegan? I actually don't have bread in my house.

SPEAKER_04 9:44

Good for you.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

What about the last time you had bread at a restaurant?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

Uh last time I had it, it was garlic rolls at John the Baker. Um, they said that it was vegan, uh they don't use uh butter, it's made out of olive oil and uh so good. Oh, the garlic rolls at John the Baker.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

Well, I don't know. It's just uh in restaurants pretty harsh, you know, because many breads take eggs. It's not uh it's not about the butter or milk, it's eggs. So that's why it was Italian's bread, it's almost all we've had.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

I actually think for me, the meat part wasn't the hardest. It was everything that uh animal products is in. I think that that part was like when I when I were first like, oh, we're going vegan, I was like, okay, I got this, and like you know, it wasn't it wasn't the meat that was the hardest thing, it was it was the ice cream, it was the chocolate, it was for Vanessa. For me it was the meat.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

No, no, first it was the meat. Meat for me was red meat, it was three times a day, basically.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

So did we eat that much a day?

SPEAKER_04 10:51

Yeah, I used well here I ate less, but in Brazil was like three times a day. And uh I never really liked chicken or or pork or fish, never really like it. For me, always were red meat, and 10 years ago I would think that someone tell me, Oh, you're going to be vegan, it's like you're crazy. You'd be like, Because I was basically closing my eyes, Joy, you know, because I didn't know all I know about it, that's for sure. I really didn't know. In my mind, it was like how it's so fast, they they die quick, especially because in Brazil, most of the cows are uh uh it's free range.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:35

They they are you drive all over Brazil, you're going to see cows all over Brazil. So in my mind, like oh, they have a happy life, they have their their little baby around them, you know, stuff like that. It's just a few minutes, you know, just few minutes. They they don't feel, and they used to say, like, oh, they don't feel anything, they don't know what's going on. Yeah, my mind, that was a good good way to sell for me, especially me that always will rescue some dogs and cats on the streets.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:07

No, it's it's so let me ask you, your what were the first thoughts you kind of had in your head when you heard like someone was vegan or even vegetarian?

SPEAKER_04 12:16

So the only vegetarian I knew was was Lila. And Lila was always sick. In my mind, Lila was sick because she was vegetarian, but she was eating, I don't know, 30 eggs a day. So try like meet her protein intakes. It's not so easy, you find that the tofu is kind of like expensive, stuff like that. Uh and in my mind, she was sick because she was vegetarian, uh, and also she never enjoyed any place, and now I understand her because she always worked with us, she was never eating with us, and we always worked like criticizing her, like uh, you're not doing anything, really nothing, you know, that annoying people that annoy me all the time. So I used to be these annoying people with her, like, serious, you're not taking anything, even fish. I was that person before. And many times I go up to her and say, like, uh, maybe we're sick because this, you know, maybe we're sick because this. Uh in my mind, I was like, uh, no way. And I remember John. Remember the the first time I took in the Illa Grande, um, Illa Bella, the island, we met a doctor and a nutritionist of his wife there.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

She was a nutritionist? Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:38

Yeah, and I asked her right there before, like, because in my mind, uh, Lila, but I was already kind of kind of like uh exploring the idea. That idea was getting more in my mind because always were talking to me. I want to be a vegan, I want to be a vegan, I want to be a vegan. 10 years past, and she's still not a vegan. So, but anyway, she always were talking about that in my mind, and I started to question myself. And I asked her if her name is Paola, actually, I still have like some kind of relation with her on Facebook with exchange message, and she she basically told me, Oh, it is not nature, natural, they have to take a bunch of vitamins and blah blah blah blah blah. Wow, that's what I needed. You know, she's telling me that it's not good. So it's not only my friends all the time sick, but the nutritionist that is married with a doctor is telling me that they have to take a bunch of vitamins.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

Okay, but what about well before that, like in your 20s?

SPEAKER_04 14:38

No, never had an idea.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

I understand so.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

So there was one vegetarian we knew, I knew forever, Easter. Easter, remember Easter? So, but she lived in a community.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

So you thought she was a weirdo.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

We always thought she was weird.

SPEAKER_02 14:55

That's so that's what I like. The only I vegan like Sergeant Clauder slash Sergeant Vegan. Like he said, what did he say? Shit, now I lost my train of thought. Oh, uh, vegan wasn't even a word, right? Like, like, and I I don't remember being a word much either, like in our in my teens and my twenties, but I I I went to um I went to a couple Grateful Dead shows, and I saw people sell these hippies selling veggie burritos, and that was the first time I saw like vegetarians, right? And I was like, Oh, that's interesting, they're kind of weird. So that's what I always popped in my head, like weirdos, right? And and there also weren't that many vegans, vegetarians, like those are the only ones I knew in my 20s and 30s.

SPEAKER_04 15:49

So, like, yeah, um this this is my mom's friend. She she she is part of a different kind of religion that meets many kind of uh Asian religion, stuff like that. They live in a community, you know, like everybody has your place. John visit, they took John there. It's it's really different. She always was amazing, a really nice person, like a very peaceful person. So I always liked her. But for us, it was always weird. She didn't eat anything, and she lived in a community, like in the middle of nowhere, because it was really far away, like in the middle of the forest, basically. And in my mind was this was her or my friend that always were sick.

SPEAKER_02 16:37

That was how old were you when you became vegan, Jory?

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Oh, it was 14 years ago. I'm 53, so 39.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

So in your 20s, let's say even 30s, like before before you were even thinking about it, like what first thought did came to mind when you heard someone's a vegetarian or vegan?

SPEAKER_01 16:57

My first time knowing a vegetarian was this guy. I used to work at Larry's Ice Cream. Larry's ice cream. I worked my way up to seeing your scooper, I'll have you know. Uh, and there was a guy I worked with named Anthony. No, I'm sorry. Well, Anthony, but we called him Andy. And Andy told me he was vegetarian. I I was in high school, you know, so I was like, vegetarian.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

So, and I was just you know that I can't have burgers and pizza.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

Yeah, it was like it was so far away from within the realm of not just possibility, but just logic. Like in my head, it just it made no sense. Like, why?

SPEAKER_02 17:42

Um that's what you just said, I think is what most people still think. They're just like, why? And what's crazy about it is a lot of stuff is in their face now, like they can they can see like the factory farming, which we we couldn't really see it in our 20s and 30s, maybe a little, right? But now it's like in their face and they know vegans, but they're still like, why? Like they don't know the logic, even though they they know all these animals are getting slaughtered.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

And he was just a vegetarian. Once I heard about vegans, it was like, what?

SPEAKER_04 18:20

Yeah, that's what's true, Joey, because now I remember other part. Because everything with like a kind of like a together, uh my this is my friend that was vegetarian, always sick, and blah blah blah. And after my friend Bianca started in my ears, and I had a cow when Tigri was nine, so I started like a being aware, like, well, there is so the cow, all that stuff together, and I remember.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

Oh my god, I I lost my my oh Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

I wasn't going to I think it's the logic part, like you said. I really think that is the main thing because you're a good person in your 30s. I like to think so, but you still eat pizza and burgers, right? Right, yeah, it wasn't logical to become vegan, and it's still for these people not logical. It's not my I think my mom's a great person, it's not logical for her for whatever reason.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Well, I think that back then there was no internet back then.

SPEAKER_02 19:25

I mean, not the internet that we know, but I still think for whatever reason, it's still not logical in their brains. Yeah, the stuff's in their face, they're just like, Why? Why would you limit yourself to one restaurant? Now I remember at 20 mile radius.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

I remember what I was going to tell. After that, there was a lady living our building, her name was Lila Chu, the same as my other friend. We rescued a I rescued a cat, and she helped me find uh uh owner for the cat. We were not like a clothes, but I was driving, so she didn't have a car, and uh I we were driving to the other city to deliver the cat after we we fixed the cat, all that stuff. She was super nice, and she was vegan, and she told me in the car, and I had no idea what was it exactly asked the question even milk and eggs and in my mind was like how she does that seriously because actually it's in Brazil, it's like how she does that, and I asked her, she said she lived in France, so she already had a different kind of views about it, and she's still vegan. She she oh wow, yeah, I have her in my social media. We never were like a close friends, uh, but she always were very nice, always meeting her going down, grabbing the car, leaving the condominium. Yeah, but she's still vegan. She and her boyfriend were vegan.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

It's weird that like they should put all the vegan geniuses in a think tank and try to figure out how to make the population of the world to make that connection. Because it's not working with the slaughter videos, it's not working with the protesting, it's not working with the all the vegan products out there, the vegan restaurants. It's working a little bit, right? Every year, a little more. But not so for some of us, all of a sudden it just clicks, right? It's like when someone finds religion, all of a sudden, like that's what it was for all of us, it seems like. Because when I watch game changers, it just clicked, right? And maybe it's different for every single person, but there's I don't know, I feel like I'm on to something, or there's gotta be like something that can make the majority of people click because a lot of these people are good people. Yeah, we are good people. We always like talk, we always talk shit, right? Or play our geez, our podcasts.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

called vegans talking shit we talk shit about the meat eaters but we were fucking meteors yeah you know why did it click for us and like there's other people out there that are genuinely genuinely probably kinder people right in the rest of their lives than than we are going but they eat meat every day but going back to the community that was the main subject this situation about uh about being vegan for me messed up a little bit with other communities for myself so there is the good part and I'm very grateful for have all my my vegan friends community I wish I could grow more our community and have more people new people new friends closest friends like uh you know we became close i i wish i have more of that because i'm a people person and but on the other hand for me going um you know other groups over other kinds of communities you know used to ride horseback right yeah i i did i used to love it yeah so you so i mean not just can you not do that or at least not feel good about it um the people who you used to ride horseback with look at you differently so my friends yeah i still have uh my one of my best friends she she's a coach she's an instructor yeah she's instructor is it's it's complicated because right now I don't feel comfortable anymore and uh many of the communits I used to love hang out there I used to go to the question center just to hang out like I had so many friends I always had a community there I don't have this community anymore I have a few of these friends that laughed but I you know I feel comfortable to go there I went there visit once she was so happy that I show up to see her horse you know but was briefly and uh I I just saw her horse and laughed like how how long we say there are a few minutes like a couple hours I don't think we got that well that I mean riding horses is pretty anti-vegan so I think that's that's a little different but I think we all have to be more open to but being being with our meat eater friends.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

But frankly we used to be there you know and maybe they will change one day we we just all described it we were not we were never gonna change there's no I understand that seven years old 35 years old there was no thought in my mind I wasn't gonna eat meat well you mentioned you know that something clicked I wish I could pinpoint what clicked for me I cannot but I do agree with you that you know something just kind of clicked um I can tell you that when it clicked for me was I was at a very sensitive moment because uh I had just rescued a dog returning the dog to his owner or I should well anyway um I've heard I've heard the story it's a good story yeah and his indifference to me returning the dog angered me so much and maybe it was ego but in my head it's like I'm an animal lover he is not you know and then while I'm dealing with that anger in me and that rage toward that individual who was indifferent to the fact that I returned his dog he didn't even know the dog was missing um a friend of mine who happened to be vegan was like hey why don't you try it and I was like okay and well here I am now so I even despite all that you know I don't know if that perfect storm made me go vegan or maybe a couple of days later something else would have triggered it. I can tell you that a week or two before that it didn't occur to me to go vegan I I don't know what clicked for me.

SPEAKER_02 26:16

I wish I did know um yeah for me you know I almost want to I want to think about I'm Vasi my old friend who I'm no longer friends with anymore who's no longer vegan he mentioned the movie Game Changers and I watched it because I was always open to different things you know I meditated I stopped drinking when everyone thought I was weird for that like um so I'm like oh let's watch the movie and then it clicked but I think I only watched the movie not only because he recommended it because at that point in my life I was really started to care about my health Vanessa actually just got a job where back then where she had good health insurance. Yeah so I'm like oh I can get a colonostomy and it's not gonna you know cause colonoscopy no colonostomy whatever it is showing just that one too colonoscopy colonoscopy clean as a whistle I was told I think that was part for me that was part of it at that moment in my life I was really concerned about my health and um so I watched game changers the health um documentary about veganism and um it just it just clicked and James Cameron was crazy it wasn't about the animals at first at all for me it was literally I don't want to die because of all the terrible things in meat products.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Well you look at Kevin Smith I mean he was he was a cheeseburger and pizza kind of guy uh making his movies and um then he had a heart attack and I I'm not a health vegan clearly um but I don't think it's talked about enough how being vegan means you no longer consume cholesterol cholesterol is the leading uh is the leading cause of heart disease heart disease is the number one killer in the United States so it's just like A to B to C. You know like if you go vegan the chances of you dying from the number one cause of death in the United States is extremely reduced. I don't want to say that it's you know you it's a cure for it or or that it completely prevents it. You know I'm not a medical professional but also medical professionals aren't nutritionists. It's but it is cause and effect like heart disease caused by cholesterol cholesterol is in your animal product foods you eliminate animal product foods then what happens you greatly greatly greatly reduce the chances of getting heart disease but people prefer take a pill because the doctors just prescribe a pill for your cholesterol they'd rather prescribe a pill than tell you to go vegan and of course more people would be happy to take a pill over going vegan unfortunately yeah but just for me didn't affect me so much yeah the about the community and all that stuff I I wish I don't I sit in a table with animal products and feel okay I don't anymore you know I know that uh you were talking about game changers um and James Cameron was behind that I I know that you know you you say that uh John you were saying that it's too much money to make a movie like you know basically you're gonna lose money but let's say in this fantasy world that I'm creating James Cameron decides to make a movie okay uh he has millions and millions and millions of dollars so he decides he's gonna spend those millions on making a movie a fictional movie um with a cast that includes Joaquin Phoenix uh Natalie Natalie Portman Jessica Chastain and music by Billie Eilish I mean those are aimless people they might even can they might not take salaries that's what I'm yeah that's what I'm saying like they they might not take salaries I don't think Billie Eilish would take a salary and I think people would almost not even care about what the plot of the movie is I think they would just go see it right based on that it's strange to me isn't it that some of these actors actresses singers don't speak out more when they have that platform why isn't Cameron speaking out about it what well he made the documentary I think he he does what he does and then he kind of stays quiet you know make his why aren't some of them more hardcore why aren't why aren't more of them like Joaquin yeah I I think it's a very small number I think Joaquin Phoenix is very vocal um Billie Eilish is vocal I mean Billie Eilish is ballsy like she'll look at she'll look at Elon Musk in his face and say hey why aren't you doing more you know yeah she did that yeah you don't know about that no she's it's a wonderful story I love it well they were just at the same event or something they were at I don't remember the event I just remember like she it was a room full of people like Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk and she was like you're a billionaire what are you doing with your money like I say you guys uh there is people here that has a lot more money than I do and what they are doing to help you know stuff like that they're not doing nothing I I think these A list people are some of them are just scared to get blacklisted because they will if they speak like you know Joaquin's gotten blacklisted from from certain from certain producers directors for doing the things he's done he doesn't give a shit he doesn't and some of these other people shouldn't either because if they're worth 50 million 100 million whatever it is who cares they're not gonna spend that money in their lifetime so who gives a shit unless they're literally scared of their like life not you know their their um safety and things like that that's different yeah that could also be you know because we don't know exactly behind the scenes what the industry can do I mean actually you say that and you know or I we both have said this no like if Billie Eilish does speak out too much or let's say Joaquin does speak out too much and gets blacklisted and never can sing again never can act again it actually isn't just affecting them it's affecting everyone around them that has helped them get there.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

So they may think about that stuff because yeah Billy Eilish is uh you know maybe she's worth a hundred million right but like what's her brother worth Phineas you know 20 and then what about her managers what are they worth like a million or two and you know their family so it it can affect them so maybe that's part of it.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

Yeah you're right up their their their legacy their kids everything else so they don't go on a link you know so they can't be Gary Rowski right yeah Gary's hated so many places I understand why but he's too Gary I actually miss Gary in our podcast he wants to come back you should message him I missed I miss him I have my questions to make to him you know that didn't finish so he actually said he wants to come back yeah he said yeah I think he would come back I can email him I'm pretty sure he can come back when you you are back we can invite him I mean once he what if he asked us like what other vegan celebrities have you guys brought you what did you say Sergeant Slaughter Sergeant yeah he's wondering Sergeant Vegan oh my god John at the did you just draw this no it's Livia Vanessa just drew oh that's very cute my niece drew when she was here the last time and I cannot get rid of you know for those of you who don't have YouTube Vanessa's showing little uh drawings at her niece drew yeah it's a bud and I've been using now to you know to calculate I use the rest of the the little block to to do adult stuff stocks yeah that's not good don't take stop stories for most people no please no all right well we've gone over an hour I think we can split this one in two okay uh is there anything else to talk about before we go no I mean I think we covered everything and more all right all right so for vegan talking shit I'm Joey I'm John and Vanessa and we are out of here also before we begin what you forgot subscribe send us a message comment you help us spread the word help us spread veganism throughout South Florida and beyond and buy vegan stalking shit merchandise at our Shopify stores link in the comment in the go to Shopify go to Shopify buy some coffee cups yes my t-shirts in the other room or I would show it to you and wherever you guys are you know South Florida Chicago New York LA Germany Thailand Philippines Australia Switzerland we got people Canada thank you we appreciate it yeah all right