Moto Adventures and Milan Marvels: Exploring the Road Ahead

Join hosts Justin Bethune, Matt Welch, and Jeff Griffith in this exciting episode of the Throttle Stop Moto Podcast, brought to you by Pandora's European Motorsports. As the trio reunites after a busy few weeks, they dive into a variety of thrilling topics, ranging from recent adventure rides to the latest announcements from the world of motorcycling.

Justin shares highlights from a recent adventure ride that included camping on Lookout Mountain, emphasizing the camaraderie and thrill of exploring new terrains with fellow enthusiasts. The discussion shifts to gear essentials, where the hosts talk about the importance of quality camping gear tailored for moto camping, introducing premium brands like Nemo and BioLight.

The podcast also covers the latest releases from the EICMA motorcycle show in Milan. The hosts delve into Ducati's lightweight V2 engine, BMW's concept F450 GS, and KTM's impressive lineup, including the nine 90 RC R. Each discussion is packed with insights into the technical advancements and potential impact on the motorcycling community.

Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal anecdotes, riding tips, and engage in playful banter, making it a must-listen for motorcycle enthusiasts eager to stay updated on industry trends and gear recommendations.

Tune in for an engaging blend of adventure tales, gear talk, and industry news, all from the passionate team at Pandora's European Motorsports.

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Transcript

 Alright, welcome to Throttle Stop Moto Podcast, brought to you by Pandora's European Motorsports.



 I am your host, Justin Bethune, with Matt Welch.

 And Jeff Griffith.

 How is everybody doing today? Good. How are you, man? Doing great.

 Good.

 Good to see you. I feel like I've not seen you in forever. It has been a minute. I've been busy for

 a few weeks now.

 I've been so busy, I haven't even come by the shop in a while.

 And I mean, we had to have Gary on here, too.

 That was necessary.

 That was good. That was very necessary. It's been three since I've been on here?

 Yeah.

 Just six weeks?

 Yeah. It's been a while.



 And

 then I didn't make it to the last ride, because I had to go to Colorado.



 He's been on a few adventures lately. I mean, one of them was that ride that you missed, which was an adventure ride that they had a good time on, ended up camping up on Lookout Mountain at South County's place.

 It was good. Yeah. It was good. Everybody enjoyed it. There were eight of us on the ride.



 Nice. Six customers.

 Yeah.

 I think there were five of us that ended up camping, that were on the ride, but there was a lot of people up on the mountain that were already camping, because we were up there at South's place with Rummel on the mountain. Right?

 Yeah, Rummel on the mountain.

 Yeah, I can remember what it was called.

 I think it's safe to say that this is probably going to end up being an annual event, because they're doing Rummel on the mountain annually, and we might as well make a ride out of it.

 Yeah. I mean, yeah, we'll just plan it for next year. Nice.

 So be ready.

 Yeah, we left the shop at, I think, 9 o'clock or so on that Saturday morning.



 Went over through the cutters and had a good ride in the woods. Ended up in Ellijay and ate a little Mexican when we were over there. You ate a Mexican. Well, they didn't appreciate it, but it still did.



 Is it just like the, do you just always go to a Mexican restaurant on these rides?

 I guess these are the rules. Yeah, it's part of the rules. Unwritten, but yeah.

 Can't ever go wrong with that. Yeah. Yeah, I need to go on a moto camping trip. It's been a while. I haven't camped off the bike since I went to Colorado the last time, so it's been a year.

 Yeah, so this is kind of off the cuff. We haven't planned on talking about it, but I guess we can.



 We are getting set up with a Nemo, which is a super premium tent, sleeping bag. Yes.



 Pillow, I mean, on and on and on. I've got their pillows, Nemo Filo. There you go. Yeah, evidently that's their best seller. It is. Yeah, I've got three of them.



 You know, it's important to sleep as good as you can in a tent.

 Yeah, I was wondering how committed we were to that because I was going to put an advent today. So

 yeah, I guess you heard it here first. Yeah, we just talked to the guys yesterday.

 We started carrying some camping gear. Nice.

 And they have a really good display. They show like they bring a bag or did we supply that bag? But they had all the gear in the bag and they brought it out piece by piece, showed it to us. And it's amazing what you could fit into a small space if it's built for it. And that's a problem. There's not a lot of camping gear that is built with the moto in mind.

 Yeah, it's usually like backpacking stuff that's just been kind of...

 And this specifically, what we're looking at carrying of theirs is for bicycle camping. Yeah. So, and it, you know, it plays well on the moto side.

 It does too.



 Yeah, because it's usually short enough to fit in your panniers and everything. Right.

 And that's the tent poles are the... Yep. ... are always the tricky part.

 They are. I bought a bike tent because it would fit inside the pannier because it's got the, I think it's 12 inch.



 Poles versus 16.

 Yeah. I mean, they've got one that I think the poles are nine and a half inches. Oh, wow. So they're, they're bikepacking specific tent. I think the pole length is nine and a half inches when it's folded. Nice. Yeah.

 Do they have like a full kit, like a moto camping kit that comes with...

 No, not them, but that is our plan is to put together, you know, a kit and, you know, maybe we'll have like a, like an A and a B from a price point. Yeah.

 A tent, a pad, a sleeping bag, a pillow, all in a...

 Right. ... waterproof bag ready to go. Right. And then also we're picking up BioLight. Okay. Which they are like solar chargers. Yeah. They got a really cool stove if you want to check them out online, but we're going to carry their stuff as well. So the plan is to...



 I think I have one of their

 lanterns. Maybe. Yeah. Or it's like a puck light and then it expands out into a lantern. A lantern, yeah.

 And it's solar powered. Kind of cordians back in itself.

 Yeah. Yeah. And BioLight had a cool, like you get the stove and it actually uses the heat to charge a battery, right?

 Yeah. So it's a canister that you feed, you know, wood or twigs or potty. Like a rocket stove. Whatever. Kind of, but it's...

 Solo stove.

 Yeah, but it's got this attachment on one side that is a blower to, you know, kind of stoke the flame. And then it's got a cooktop that goes onto it. But somehow as it's burning, the heat transfers to electricity, charges the battery in it. So now you can take the fan that kind of keeps the flame, you know, strong and hot while you're cooking. You can take that unit off the side of the stove and charge your phone. You know, you can take it in the tent with you at night and charge your phone or laptop or whatever.

 So that's cool. It's pretty interesting. You can strap it to your engine while you're riding.

 I don't think so. I don't think that's that hard. I don't think it'll charge that way.

 I'm sure there's a way to use that though.

 That's the next version.

 That's the next version. That's pretty cool. That's my idea. You can't take it now.

 Do y'all have one of those already?

 No. I mean, he, I've seen, you know, I've used a...

 You have to bring one of those in here.

 Yeah, we'll bring it in. Yeah, for sure. It'll be awesome. So a few weeks we'll have that stuff in the store and I love gadgets like that.

 It's really cool. Like it's cool to see that innovation.



 By means of transition, your headphones are on backward. That's okay.



 But all this has been inspired by that camping trip, obviously. And then we're looking at, did the BMW Performance Center as well.

 So we took some customers last weekend to BMW Performance Center in Greer, Spartanburg area. We go over there. We try to go over there once a year. I think we missed last year, but yeah.



 It was scheduled for a few weeks ago whenever the hurricane came through and it tore up the facility a little bit so we had to push it out. But there were 12 of us over there. Me and Hunter from the store went,



 again, left on a Saturday road over there. All payment over there, stayed in the hotel that night, got up Sunday morning, went to the Performance Center.



 Everybody did great. It's always a good experience. I want to have those guys up here maybe at Seth's property, up on lookout and do something a little closer to home with them.

 A little training session publicly.

 Nice.



 But they'll push you to the point of crashing their motorcycles, which is great because it's their motorcycles.

 As long as it's their motorcycles.



 I'm for it.



 Here comes another Mexican restaurant.



 We left on Monday morning and came back, rode in the rain for a couple hours, which is fine because we had all our climb gear on. Then jumped in the woods. Actually we stopped at LJ and ate it, ironically, the same Mexican restaurant.



 I guess before it... If it works, it works. It's becoming a staple, it seems like. There you go. I hadn't thought about it. I'm going to have to remember the name of it and we'll have to plug them next time.

 That sounds like a bad idea before camping.

 This was on the way home.



 Which could still be a bad idea. But left LJ, jumped in the woods near Mulberry Gap, came through the woods over towards Okoy, and then came on home. We had a great time on the way there. We had a local police officer leading the group.



 We were obviously running too fast, according to the Georgia State Trooper that was hiding in the woods.



 Hiding in the woods. He was literally up on a hill, backed into the woods.



 He was cool about it. He turned every light, owned the police car, owned...



 Never.

 Was y'all getting any good pictures? Never moved. No, no, no.

 Everybody just chopped the throttle. We were probably running 12, 15 mile an hour with the speed limit. I'm guessing. But he never moved. He just went all the way down. He hit the lights.

 I've had that a few times. You just wave and just hit the brakes.

 Yeah, we chopped the throttle, waved and... Sorry.



 We won't talk about how, as soon as we were out of sight...

 That's a guy that rides and understands.



 It's like, you get pulled over and it's like, "Why weren't you going so fast?" I was like, "Have you ever ridden one of these things?"

 It's funny because if you're on a sport bike with loud exhaust and a wife beater, you're going to get pulled over every time.



 Five over, you'll get pulled over.

 I don't care what you're doing. You're guilty.

 But a bunch of old dudes on, or at least... A bunch of ADV dads. Yeah. In full gear on GSAs, you just get all the lights turned on.

 I get pulled over on the CBR all the time. Then when I pull over, I just take my helmet off and they're like, "Oh, you're not 20." I was not about to do a wheelie, I promise.



 Shave your face and...

 I'm not going to ever look 20 again, Jeff. Doesn't matter what I do.

 It doesn't matter. Me either. Yeah. Okay.



 I appreciate the sideways compliment.



 You're not that pretty.



 I used to be. When you were 20.



 But anyway, so after all that's happened, Aikma started.



 It's another language, but Aikma is an international show that happens in Milan.



 This is the biggest show in motorcycling every single year. If there's an announcement to be made, the manufacturers are going to announce it there.



 There are some companies that we talked about before rolling that break the mold with that. They announced things before, they announced things fairly afterward, but they still will bring it to Aikma to showcase it. BMW announced the S1000RR change and the M1000RR and the S1000R. Sorry, I have to say all of them.



 Just before, those were really impressive because they gained six horsepower to 218 horsepower, but they didn't wait for Milan for that to happen, but they did showcase the bike there.



 We want to talk about a few of the bikes that were announced at Aikma, and we're going to start at Ducati with a new V2 motor.



 Ducati released this motor showing it off and it's 120 pounds and it's 120 horsepower.



 The lightest Ducati twin ever, right?

 Yeah, it's the lightest Ducati twin that they've ever built. That's their story for them.

 This is going in the Panagoli V2?

 Yes. Okay. And the Street Fighter V2?

 Yeah, and the Street Fighter.

 With other things that are named V2, I think we'd be blind to not see that it's coming on other things as well. We'll probably see a multi-shot of V2 and who knows what they'll do. There's probably going to be a platform engine for them because you can look at it and it is radically different from just about everything else that they've produced.



 I've said it before on the podcast where your purists will kill your brand.



 There's a couple things that the purists aren't going to like and that is that they did away with the Desmo.



 And their purpose in this was to smooth out the power, particularly at lower RPMs because we've talked about it before, the Desmo really likes high RPM. You can't really take advantage of the advantages of Desmo until you're at the high RPM, but Ducati needs bikes that are operating in the mid-range.



 That's where street bikes operate most of the time. If you're revving up that high, I mean, you're alerting the cops for sure because they know you're going fast.



 So that's the biggest thing.

 How often can you even get to the top of the river and you're on a bike that goes anywhere from 60 to 90 miles an hour in first gear?

 Yeah, every single bike that we have on the street right now, we're short shifting. Yeah, exactly. And that's arguably the proper way to ride on the street because we're not trying to go as fast as we possibly can.

 Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, the V4 will, I mean, how many laws will it break in first gear to your point? Right. Yeah.



 I mean, this is no comment. Right.



 I've never known that. I believe the fifth. I wouldn't have an experience there. And with dropping the Desmo, they did introduce their variable valve timing is what it amounts to.

 Only on the intake side though, right? On the intake, yes. That's interesting that it's only on the intake side. Yeah, it does. And I'm guessing it's to control overlap and maybe duration for emissions compliancy maybe.



 Maybe for emissions. I'm sure some of it's for emissions, but we've seen a lot of this technology with KTM and BMW already, the shift cam technology with BMW, they're doing the same thing. They're balancing power throughout the RPM range and still being able to deliver a good torque and top speed.



 So how much lighter is the total package on the Panagoli?

 On the Panagoli V2, it is 37 pounds lighter.

 And how much horsepower did it lose? 20?

 It lost almost 30. I think it's 30.



 But despite having less power, they got them out on the track and in their testing, every single test rider was faster on the new V2 over the old one, despite having less top speed because of the mid range, because of that low end.



 And this is a fine example of why peak horsepower is not always the most important thing.

 Bragging rights.

 It's bragging rights.

 It's marketing.

 Yeah. You talk about...



 It's the brochure bros. What was it, endo Ferrari? I can't remember that quote. They said, "Torquents races, but horsepower sells cars." Yep. That's exactly what's going on. Right. Exactly.

 Especially in the US. I think you get over in the UK and I don't think pure horsepower or peak horsepower is as important.

 Yeah. But that's why there's so many guys holding on to the old four cylinders.



 Because that peak horsepower is... You got R6s and jixtures and stuff making 120 something horsepower.



 But it's all the way at the top of the rev range and that's all they look at.

 It feels cool when you hit it.

 Yeah. If you can. Yeah. The few times that you can actually get to it. Right.

 But they've done a lot with that Panigale in particular. They brag about this being 120 horsepower, 120 pounds. And so that's got that one to one power to weight ratio. So that results in better handling and has resulted in the faster lap times.

 So I think Ducati's done a great job and I think this is an example of the direction they've been going for the last probably 10 years is better serviceability, easier serviceability. They used to... That was the problem with Ducati or a lot of people's problem with Ducati is they were the perception and it was true to a degree. They were really, really expensive to operate. Yeah. So you were either...



 Ducati guy or you weren't. Right. Like it was hard to bring new people in because of that reason. I mean, that was why I never even looked at one. And then when they came out with the new Multistrado and you all sold me on that and you're like, "No, no, no, the service intervals are ridiculous on this." And I'm like, "Cheaper than my tiger. Okay, cool."

 And I haven't seen, maybe they, I may have missed it. I haven't seen service intervals on this motor.

 I haven't either.

 But I'm sure it's what I think the previous motor was 9,000 miles.

 I think Justin was telling me it does have that 1918 interval. Right. Sorry, 9,018, I should say.

 Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, just, they're not putting window stickers on these things with cost ownership per year like they're on cars. But I mean, people are still taking that into consideration.



 And hopefully insurance is a little cheaper on this bike.

 Yeah, yeah. They always do account for horsepower when they're...

 Yeah, pricing. We kind of lost the 675 and then the 765 Daytona was a full fairing sport bike. Yeah. That the insurance, and I think Triumph as a whole has looked at like a very gentlemanly company and Ducati maybe not so much, but people could afford insurance on the Daytona, the 675 and now the 660 based Daytona.



 I've got a selling point for people because we had a customer of ours who was coming off of a GSXR 1000 and he was looking at a Panigale V4 that we had. And whenever he started looking at insurance, his insurance coming off of the GSXR onto a Panigale V4 was enough cheaper to make up the difference in payment.



 So he ended up paying less monthly for Panigale V4S than he did for his GSXR.

 Thank you, Jixxer Bros.

 Yeah, I mean, if you're going to look at something... It's just because it's a Jixxer. If I was going to price something high on insurance, that would be the bike.

 Yeah, because they're the ones that get wrecked the most. And it's still expensive. I mean, let's be honest, it's still expensive. Oh man, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've had some 20 year olds in there who've priced insurance on V4 Panigales and the insurance is more than the payment on the other side.

 Yeah.



 But it's something to think about because you get so far into it. That's a sign for God. Yeah. Yeah. And it really has some cool under tail exhausts, which are really nice. I hope that comes here. I think that's the next picture if you want to look at that.



 I hope that that exhaust setup comes here. I wonder if that's...

 Like in a Kropovich full system or...

 Well, I just wonder if that's carb compliant and... Yeah.

 If that's just for the truck. I think that was the intention. I could be corrected.



 That's beautiful. We haven't seen any emissions compliant under tail exhausts from Ducati or really anybody else for a long time.

 Yeah.

 So, yeah, we'll see.

 If we're to continue to lose weight and have something with that much metal on it, that'd be interesting to see.

 The only request I have is to put that engine in the Super Sport.



 Yeah. Because I can't ride that bike. I don't even look at it. But I can ride the Super Sport. I don't care if they detune it a little bit.

 That's something I wanted to point out too though. The geometry on this bike is a lot closer to the Super Sport than it is the current V2.

 Yeah. Okay.

 So it falls in between them, but it's a little more Super Sport than the current V2. Yeah. And it's just a geometry difference. We'll see how it plays out.

 The Super Sport is still almost a little too Super Sport for me, but it's just enough to where I'm... Because I think it's a little more comfortable than my F4R, which is about as upright as you can get for a mid 2000s sport bike. I still cramp up on that thing. So, that's... But I still don't want to make it.

 This goes back to the 20 year old Justin conversation. Exactly.

 Yeah. 20 year old Justin could ride a CBR all day.



 So looking at that bike, and if you want to swipe to the grainy picture of a street fighter that I picked, yeah, go back. That's ugly.



 But that's going to come in two versions. What you see there is the S version. So you're going to have a Panigale V2 and a Panigale V2S, which in the current generation hasn't been available. So on the V2S, you get O-Lean suspension where the stock stuff comes with a Marzocchi rear shock and a KYB front fork, which is still decent material, but it's not the premium stuff that the O-Lean is.



 Sounds like an amazing bike. Do we have prices on it?

 Yeah. You're going to be in the 16,000s. I can't remember exactly where, but it's not as expensive as the current V2.

 Yeah. Nice.



 Anything else before we move on?

 What was the total weight? Did you have the total weight?

 I don't have the total weight. I just know how much it lost. How much it lost. Yeah.

 That's a hefty diet. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty good.

 Suddenly, this is the way it is.

 You said it's also a little narrower too, right?

 Mm-hmm. It's a little smaller. It's supposed to feel lighter, flickable. It's all the good things as far as handling. So you have to kind of overlook the horsepower, focus on the handling, focus on how light it is, and it really makes up for it.

 Yeah. So I don't do mini track days anymore, but when I was doing them on a regular basis, I was always faster on a V2 or a 959 bike than the V4. So I mean, I think this is probably going to have a sweet spot for a lot of people.



 Yeah. I think it's really good.

 I was talking to Ryan this morning on it, and he said that it replaces every bike.



 It's everything you want it to be. Yeah.



 But... It sounds like they put a lot of R&D into it and did everything the right way.

 I'm not sure if that bike has it. I should have looked at this before, but Brembo just released a new high-pure caliper.



 Caliper, that doesn't look like it from here. But yeah, that looks like the dilemma, the current generation of Brembo caliper, which is still the most premium that's available right now. But they're coming out with a high-pure caliper, which is supposed to reduce weight by 10%, which calipers don't weight all that much. But whenever you're trying to shave grams off a bike, that 10% matters.



 And it's supposed to have better heat transfer as well. So we'll see. That actually comes on the KTM 990 Duke R that's coming out.



 And so we'll see it on some more bikes as we go forward.

 Nice. Bravo Ducati.



 And then we get to the BMW F450 GS.

 This thing looks so cool.

 We laughed about this one.



 That was... It's a concept.

 It is concept, which I wish it was production yesterday. But BMW needs that in their lineup. And it looks really, really cool. And I'm really excited about it.

 Well, that's the hot new class, is the 450.

 And we'll look at it. We'll look at the KTM here in a few minutes that's kind of in the same genre motorcycle that I'm really excited about too. But yeah, BMW needs that in their portfolio. And hopefully we get it sooner rather than later. Yeah. But yeah, I don't think we know a whole lot of specs. We know it's a 450. I think they claim 46 horsepower.

 It's going to be a parallel twin if it's an F.

 But that bike with some soft bags on it will be a whole lot of fun.

 Do they have another bike currently that's a 450?

 No. Or is this a brand new? Everything's new.

 They've had a 450 in the past.



 So this is not an engine that's coming out of another bike?

 I don't know what it would be unless it's the 310 worked over, but I don't think so.

 But if they're calling it an F, it's an F engine that's going to be a parallel twin.

 Well, that's true.

 Yeah. Yeah. But we laughed about this one because this looks more like a KTM ad.



 And KTM's pictures are like just the bike on a stand and it looks more like a BMW ad. So they kind of switch places over there.



 The marketing departments are like, "We're going to look like them." And they just switched.

 Yeah.



 But yeah, I'm excited about seeing what this can do. And we're going to talk about the 390 Adventure R here soon, but I'm excited to see what comes out of this. And this segment's becoming more and more important because I think a major complaint has been that motorcycles are too expensive. I mean, they tend to... If you're looking at the ones they advertise most of the time, yeah, you're right. They either are going to advertise and spend the most marketing dollars on the things they make the most money on.

 And then they're also too big and too heavy to do the things that they're marketing them for, for your average rider. Most average riders that want to do on-road, off-road adventure riding, a full size ADV is just too big. It really just is. That's the issue that I have. I love my multi-strato, but I don't want to take it off-road. Like dirt roads and gravel roads is fine.



 To actually go on the trails and stuff, I want something smaller that's more in line with a dirt bike.

 And the GS trophy, which they use to advertise the GS and show how off-road capable it is, and things like the BMW Performance Center that show people that they can ride a big bike in all these rough terrain,



 doesn't mean that most people are going to be able to achieve that without access to that training and be willing to trash their bike in the process.

 Or enjoy it.

 It's stressful. I want to just end...



 It's really stressful. But I think if you can get people comfortable, that takes the stress out of it, right?

 Yeah, but still, you're riding through the woods on a $30,000 motorcycle.

 Right, yeah.



 That's what stresses me out.

 That's why you go to the Performance Center and trash their bike.



 I want to see this. I want to see it around a $8,000 price point.



 That's probably reaching, but if I could get this at around an $8,000 price point rather than spending the 30 grand on a GS, I'd much rather have that off-road.

 Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I mean, if you could take that bike, put some soft bags on it,



 probably going to need a skid plate. You're going to need some hand guards, right, if you're going to go ride it off-road because the stock stuff that comes with it's not going to be sufficient, most likely.



 And that's not picking on BMW. That's any brand. But I think if you could buy that bike, kit it out for 10 grand, it's a home run for BMW.

 Definitely. And it would be on-road capable enough to get you from trail to trail.

 And I think that's the problem from the manufacturer point of view and from the dealership point of view a little bit, at least we're just left with whatever the manufacturer's offer us to sell. But customers come in and they want all the wind protection. They want all the creature comforts. They want to go ride off-road.



 And in BMW's case, that's now a 1300.

 Yeah, because the 310 was just like...



 They want this price point, but 1300 features.

 And the 310 is great, but you're not... It's great, but it's not really...

 You can't jump on the road and run to it.

 It's not good. It lands at 75. Everything that you need it to be good at.

 So yeah, hopefully this bike has a little better legs than the 310. It's not spooled up so tight.

 I mean, I think if they could upgrade the suspension a little bit, add power and then keep the weight about the same as the 310, it'd be a home run.

 And if that is the Showa fork that they're using on the F900GS, the one with the Enduro package, then it's an excellent fork that they're showing there. Right.



 And I say $8,000 price point. I don't want it at a $6,000 price point with a parallel twin engine because then you're going to have janky components on it that don't really perform. So you know...

 It still needs to be a BMW.

 It still needs to be a good premium product. And so, and BMW does try to reach down sometimes. They have the G310GS and I mean, it's an awesome bike, but you're not paying for premium components with that bike in a lot of cases. You're going to buy a Bibery brake instead of a Brembo and little things like that that change it. Ultimately, it's an awesome bike. It's a whole package. And we have to look at bikes as more than the sum of their parts.



 But at the same time, we want premium parts on a BMW.



 Looking at the picture, it's tall. Yeah, it looks tall.



 So hopefully there's some provisions to get, you know, shorter end seams.

 Yeah.

 Lowering one. Where they can ride that bike. But no, it's really cool.

 Is this maybe their intro into having like an Enduro?



 So they've, I mean, they've gone on that rabbit hole before, but it was a Husky branded.



 On the Husky side, it was the Nuda.

 Yeah. Well, no, the Nuda would be the more like your naked bike, but they had a, they called it the 450 Enduro or something, but it was the fun. That wasn't the fun.

 Yeah, that wasn't the fun.

 I can't remember.

 If I remember right, it was from the Husky side when BMW bought Husqvarna and had them for a minute.

 Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, it had a Kimco motor in it.

 Man, that was, yeah,



 this, this segment's growing like crazy. This 450 segment. And I think we're probably going to start seeing every manufacturer have.

 And when BMW tried this before, BMW wasn't the brand that they are today, arguably.



 And BMW in that adventure category, that BMW really pioneered wasn't as big as it is today. No. As BMW grew, that adventure segment grew. And we talked about it last time where we now have more variety of motorcycles to choose from. It's not just a sport bike or a cruiser. You have a lot of stuff in between and it's finding those niches that these companies are finding their identity in.



 So whatever niche you find, you're going to be identified with that.

 Yeah. Like every couple of years, there's like the new like hot category. Like a couple of years ago, it was the middle white, 80. And now it's the more kind of smaller, lighter, more nimble, more off-road focus. 450 class is where it is now.

 I've laughed about how KTM, they had a 1190. Well they actually started out with a 990. They made a 1090, which didn't come to the States. And then they had 1190, 1290. And then they back up, come out with a 790. That's an 890. That's a 990. They're back to their original point. And so you have to keep innovating and like changing these sizes and moving things around. Yeah.

 Because it just came full circle. Yeah.

 You have to keep the narrative up.

 I mean, it's almost like there for a few years, like the middle weight was kind of where everybody was pushing. It's like the Goldilocks bike. It's like the touring bikes are too big. The little off-road bikes are not good enough on road. So get this in between. And now it's almost like they've shifted to buy the big bike for your touring, but also buy this smaller bike for your off-road and buy both. It's like they figured out they can make more money by selling you two bikes versus one, you know, which is where I'm at. Right.

 You know, and I think, I think some of that is thinking about how much public land we've lost that we rode dirt bikes on, right? So I think some of the reason you're seeing this segment of bikes becoming more and more popular and more and more manufacturers producing them is stuff like the BDR routes. I mean, it's a little bit exaggerated, but there's BDR routes all over the country now.

 Yeah.

 Yeah. We have one over here now. Yeah. Yeah. Just we rode a little bit of it on the way back from BMW center.



 But that bike for most people is perfect for the BDRs. Yeah.



 So, yeah, I mean, I think that's some of why we're seeing this. And it's approachable. We have to use the, you know, people are going to use the public lands that we still have available and you can't get a 450 motocross bike tagged to go ride through the national forest. So we're on stuff like that.

 Exactly. Meanwhile, KTM's making supermotors that are fully not offered capable that you can't get tagged either. So if you're ready, we can...

 Depends on which state you're in. So 1300 real quick, the GSA, we got our first one in while we're talking about BMW.



 It's much better in person.

 Yeah.

 I saw them at barber. Yeah. So, and I think a lot of people have seen them in person now. Ours came and went immediately. I would have loved for it to stick around. So some of our customers could see it in person. But yeah, it's good. It's the view from like the cockpit in the rider's position is looks really, really good. Yeah.



 It's still a little polarizing. We had a red one and I said it on the podcast when we were talking about it that the red one's probably the worst in pictures, but it's a lot better in person. You can see the contrast in the silver cladding on the side, but yeah, it's good. It's fine.

 Yeah. I got to see them at barber after they'd been demoed. So they had mud on them and everything. And I was like, all right, this is really good.

 It's really cool looking at it and like just looking at a component by component, like even the way that the bags mount, it feels more robust than just the little wire you had holding it up before. Every piece of it just feels beefier. It still feels bigger in it and like it gained a little bit of weight, but didn't gain enough to account for all of the premium feeling features that it has. I'm really impressed. Yeah. Thanks. It's very interesting.

 Too bad I missed it.



 All right. What's next?

 It is the Freeride E.



 So this looks like an electric bike.

 It is. And electric bikes are always going to be a little bit polarizing for people because some people just, you're not ready for it.



 But it's interesting to see.

 It's just another bike. I mean, yeah, I don't know why people get so angry about it.

 You're mad about the fuel.

 Like they're not coming in, they're not coming and stealing yours in the middle of the night and replacing it with this. Right.

 But no, I mean, we talk about having how we have second bikes. Yeah. If you're like a hardcore enduro rider and you want something just to put around on every once in a while, riding the pits, whatever you want to do, whether that's allowed.



 But this is an awesome little like tool around bike. I am calling it the electric cross trainer. You know, VEDA has the cross trainer and it kind of fits this category of being smaller than an enduro bike, but still capable of most of the things that enduro bikes are capable of. So with a ride time of two to three hours, depending on how much you're twitching the throttle, this thing can handle a lot of stuff. And so we have another mountain goat where it's not going to be the fastest thing anywhere, but it's going to get everywhere that the other bikes can get.

 Yeah. You've got all the power all the time.

 Yeah. Yeah. There's no gears to mess with. It's a, it's really a cool machine that they've put together. It's also a dual sport. So if you wanted to take this out and that could be your tool around town bike if you wanted to, and maybe put some street tires on it or some lighter dual sport tires, it can be a lot of different things for you.

 Or if you're a hooligan and you want to do hooligan stuff and then run from the cops, they can't hear where you went.

 There's just that. Justin, no, no, Justin bad.

 Hey, hooligans buy bikes too.

 But the bad thing about running, trying to run on something like this is it has a max speed of 59. So 59 miles an hour. You can hit the dirt. But I want to make the point that this is not a Saron. It's not like a janky thing made with bicycle parts with, with Enduro weight. I'm not, I don't mean to insult Saron there. I'm not confident.

 No, but I mean, this is a proper motorcycle and put it in somewhere in between, right? Yeah. No, the Sarons are great. They've, you know, they sold a bunch of them, which proves that.

 Yeah. Absolutely. But at the same time, it's not a 500 EXC.

 Yeah.

 Yeah.

 I love watching the kids race the electric bikes at the motocross track. I mean, it sounds like an RC car race.

 So we,



 the, the electric stuff has slowed down some. I mean, I think the initial first takers are, we've kind of reached saturation point on. Yeah. But as stuff like this is released and it, and it becomes, you know, the, the charge time is, is shorter and the runtime is longer.

 Yeah.

 They're going to become more and more mainstream. And I'm all, you know, when everything is electric, I'm, I'm definitely going to miss hearing and smelling combustion motors. But the way they deliver power is really good. It like, I don't think there's a, I don't think you could ever get a combustion motor to deliver power as well as these things do.

 Um, or at least sacrifice the top end, but on the low end, it's all the torque all the time.

 But you know, when you put a gearbox, you know, this one's limited to say 60 mile an hour. Um, when you put a gearbox on one down the road, cause that's, you know, that's the direction a lot of them, I think we'll go is, is they've got a gearbox with a clutch and you know, it's a, it's basically like our E threes and fives where it's a, it's a combustion dirt bike with a, with a electric motor stuck in place of the engine.

 Yeah. Yeah. And then you can now the higher top speed. Yeah.

 Now you, yeah.

 I would say like you could almost do a derailleur like it's, it's the way it delivers power is very smooth. You're not going to have like those back and forth motions and a derailleur can handle stuff like that. But, um, I'm exaggerating here, but if we do see a gearbox, I'd say we'll have like a high gear and a low gear. It's not going to be six feet a box.

 Yeah.

 Isn't there a, isn't there an electric trials company that has a, it may not be a six feet gearbox, but a four or five speed box with a, with a clutch. And I mean,

 yeah, my only complaint about that stuff is you're adding complexity to a machine that may not need it. And so we're seeing it on the car side. They're capable of top speeds and it's just about how you program that motor because that, that a lot of times they won't program a lot of top speed into a motor because it can't cool it as well.

 Yeah.

 So what we are going to see more of is liquid cooling, uh, when it comes to these electric motors. And that's one of the things that was announced at IKMA with the, um, SXE five and the SXE three is that they're going to a liquid cold, cooled motor. And because it's liquid cooled, the battery is going to last longer because you're more, you're using that energy more efficient and not losing as much of it to heat.

 Um, but also think on the car side, people are buying them for different reasons. They're then they'll ever buy them on the motorcycle side.

 Oh, for sure.

 So they're buying them for efficiency or saving the planet or going green or whatever on the car side. Sometimes the help the government provides. And sometimes it's just a dig in how the hole on the, on the car they bought during a COVID from a trade in perspective. But, um, yeah, I mean, I think for the enthusiast, a gearbox for the, for me anyway, a gearbox and a clutch would go a long way, uh, into making me like these things. Yeah. And I already, you know, I already liked them. I would like them even more if it had a gearbox and a clutch.

 Yeah.

 Yeah. Cause really like with this, your only option is maybe to re gear it

 with this one word more top speed. We're kind of like, I've talked about it. I may have talked about it here before how we're trying kind of starting to blur the lines between bicycle and motorcycle. And it's the same thing that happened whenever motorcycles were invented in the first place cause it was just a bicycle with a motor on it. But we now at the shop have everything from, you know, analog bicycles and going from analog bicycles to e-bikes to, um, we have like the, um, beta has the Explorer. Um, and then we have this that is full on motorcycle that is offered in all the electrics. We have a scooter that's electric. Um, so there's a lot of things that the electric world has been able to offer us that, you know, may have been possible with other ones with, with, with, with an internal combustion engine.



 But as far as this is concerned, but not as easy to do, you're definitely not going to put an ice engine in a, uh, in a bicycle. Like they did that a long time ago. It worked for a while, but then we made motorcycles. Um, but anyway, we're, we're able to offer a broad range now. Um, was

 that, uh, the scooter that big BMW?

 Yeah. Yeah.

 My dad wants that. I only have a C02. Uh, yeah.

 So it makes sense in a scooter. It was like, typically you're riding a scooter to be efficient and just to ride around town and stuff.

 So like, I would offer that anybody come and ride that thing. It's awesome. I'm sure it's super fast. It is pro to 40. It's probably the fastest thing in the building. No kidding.



 I got all these double hours. It would pick at

 least a 15.

 Yeah.



 I love it. I want to get an echo.

 So this is kind of the big highlight for KTM with, well, I'm one of two major highlights, I should say, um, the nine 90 RC R, which I keep arguing they could have named better. They, they should have called it the RC nine 90 R that that makes more sense to me with their current naming scheme. But anyway, it's awesome.

 Uh, and this, this is kind of the replacement for the, the RC eight.

 Um, they had the RCA, which was the 11 90. And then they came out with the RC eight C, which was the eight 90. Um, and this it's, so the RC eight C was a specialized purpose built track bike track, but yeah, and it was not street legal that didn't come with a title



 label, uh, MSO. So this is the street street capable version of it with a nine 90 motor. Um, and so they have, uh, they're, they've announced the street version. I anticipate we see a track version as well. Yeah. Um, they may have already said that I'm blurring lines here. Um, but, uh, so with the street version, you have a, um, you have an awesome engine. It's a, it's a parallel twin and they had, that's 125 pounds. So we're talking about the Ducati over here. It's 120 pounds. Um, so it's five pounds heavier than the Ducati engine and it has 126 horsepower. So they, they had to beat that one-to-one ratio on just barely.

 Uh, so yeah, one point zero zero one to one.

 Again, we have them an engine with a one-to-one power to weight ratio. And so we see that this category is becoming more and more popular. And I, I'm sure that they're wanting to put this into like a world super sport racing, um, and, uh, Moto America super sport class. So it really fits a really nice, uh, nice niche there.

 That kind of fits a little. I may or may not have taken an RC8C out on the street and wrote it, but if I had, I would tell you that it was really, really good. And like, I fully expect this bike to be the same. Obviously it's gonna, it's gonna weigh a little more. The, the RC8C, um, the HP4 race BMW compared to a S1000RR, uh, the, the street going version of it, you know, there's always a noticeable difference when you get all the, the weight of the missions equipment and, and all that. I mean, a race bike always feels like a race bike, but this thing will be, it'll be really good.

 Well, and they talked about how, um, in their development, they wanted something that was track capable and that's why they're going to kind of split this into two versions. They wanted to track capable machine, but they also wanted to a machine that could be used on the street. So the words that they use that they wanted something that was comfortable, but not soft. They didn't want to feel like it was, you know, a dumbed down version of the track bike, where you're a little bit unsatisfied with it. They wanted something that would be a street capable machine. And if you wanted to go out and do track days, you would feel just as capable. Um, they, uh, they have different, um, modes on it. They have a race mode, a track mode, a street mode. Um, and they're, uh, they got WP Apex open chamber forks on it. So good quality components on everything. So we'll see what it's a beautiful bike. It is a beautiful bike.

 You will definitely stand out on the street. You just don't see KTM fully fared street bikes.

 No one really did it with the RCA. It was the most beautiful thing on the street.

 Yeah. So it was, it was before our time. It was during, you know, when, when Griffiths was open, but I'd always heard that the CEO at the time of KTM,



 maybe North America, maybe I'm not sure, but anyway, said that there would never be a big CC for fairing bike, like the 11. What would, what was the R the 11 90 based bike?

 Yeah, that was a little bit of a misconception. Like he said things about, you know, super sport bikes being on the street is unsafe. And he was absolutely right. He did not speak for the company at the time, whenever he, and he didn't really say that he wasn't going to produce one.

 It was more his opinion than, than the company stance on it.

 Okay. Gotcha. The media took that a small statement he made about super sport bikes being unsafe on the street and said, yeah, we're stopping all production of sport bikes.

 Sounds like the media.

 That happened, I think it was like 2013 that he said that maybe in 2014. And then they produced the 11 90 RCA for another few years before it finally met its demise and it didn't meet its demise because of, you know, any kind of safety concern, it was taken off the market because it wasn't making money. Um, and you know, they didn't have the money to, uh, well, they had the money, but they're putting it in different places at the time. The sport bike market was the, the fastest shrinking market in the motorcycle industry. Um, we see it popping back up a little bit now. So now is the right time to come out with the bike. That wasn't, and it was the last remaining fully analog bike that they had, uh, where everything else had ABS trash control, ride modes, things like that, that they would have had to do a lot of R and D on that bike to put that on. Yeah. Um, meanwhile they're competing for 10th and 11th place with the EBR. Right.

 This is a growing segment as well. As I said, Yamaha just came out with the R nine and they're coming out with the R nine, um, sounds like it's going to be going head to head with this and the, the Ducati.

 Yeah. The Ducati V2 and this are really in the same category. This has a little more horsepower, but a little more weight too. So we'll see which one actually competes on the track. And I hope pray that they actually put this in world super sport.

 Yeah.

 It'd be a mistake not to

 probably will. I think it's probably one thing.

 Yeah.

 Within those parameters. They're, they're aggressive enough. I mean, that one will just like the rest of them ready to race. Yeah, exactly.

 So the ready to race.

 And since we're bringing up the world super sport class, the Ducati V2 that's currently in it, it's way overpowered compared to the rest of the things in the field. And so it's forced world super bike and Moto America to kind of like put limits on them, they add weight to the bike and things like that. Um, I'm not sure exactly everything they've done to it, but this new engine with Ducati and with this bike here, it puts it in a category where you're not, you know, overpowered, you're not coming in with something that isn't, uh, isn't,

 you're not having to actually change what you produce to meet the regulations.

 You're not having to get them to change the rules for you.

 Well, and I think the sanctioning bodies will, will always add weight or put restrictions, you know, whatever they need to do so that one brand doesn't stink up the show, so to speak.

 Yeah.

 Um, but yeah, I mean, I, you know, I would have to imagine there's a, I don't know what the, what the amount of weight they're putting on those current V2 is, but it's significant.

 Yeah.

 If you look at, you know, that bike specs compared to the, to the, you know, street going models that is competing against. Yeah.

 So it's rough to think that the bikes that are actually there on race day are heavier than the bikes that you have on the street.

 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to, hard to think about.



 All right.

 Oh, here we go.

 So this is the time I want to talk about all the three nineties, like engines, at least in one go here. Sorry for the grainy picture again. Um, it's a three 99 CC, uh, single cylinder with 44 horsepower and 28 foot pounds of torque and with the new version of the SART three 90 engine, um, it has, uh, the max torque is a thousand RPMs lower than it had previously been, um, they're out. They've got a slipper clutch to it. Um, so it's a really, really robust engine for its size. Um, impressed with that. Uh, just about so all the three nineties are going to be built on the same frame. Um, and the adventure are, and the enduro are, are going to be built on the same suspension, so they get, uh, 9.1 inches of travel, uh, compared to what was previously 6.7 in the front and seven in the rear. Uh, so a lot more suspension travel, um, going to the eight 90 adventure R, uh, which if you swipe over a couple, you'll get to a picture of that. Sorry. I'm kind of all over the place. But, uh, that thing has a whopping 10.2 inches of ground clearance, uh, while maintaining a 34.8 inch seat height. So it's not, it's tall, you know, it's, it's dirt bike tall, but it's not so tall that it's unapproachable for, you know, the average rider.



 Um, so we see four different models in reality, uh, coming out with this bike and I'm, I'm making one of those as a prediction. Um, they have an, a three 90 adventure R, a three 90 adventure X. And I say that's the prediction because they already have a three 90 adventure X overseas and you know, this is the same thing they did with the, uh, 11 90, they split it into two different models where you have the R model and the S model, and so they're going to do something similar with this, I imagine. So you have the three 90 adventure, uh, three 90 adventure R, three 90 adventure X and the three 90 adventure X is lower. It is, uh, it doesn't come with a TFT display. It, um, you know, it's a little bit of a, uh, a simplified version. So that's going to fit a price point for customers. So that's going to be something if they bring it over here, it'll, it'll balance that out, but you also have the Enduro R, which we can go back to that. Um, just the six 90 Enduro R baby brother, and it is impressive. Um, built on the same frame, built on the same suspension. Uh, going to be similar as far as ground clearance by virtue of those two things, but have more of a dirt bike feel. Uh, and then you have the SMC, which is the same thing, same frame, same engine. I believe the same suspension, but I've been a little bit cautious on that. Um, it's going to be, you know, the supermoto version.



 That's a good looking supermoto.

 It does look good. It looks really good. So does the adventure R. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm really excited about these bikes. The, the adventure R is what I want. Yeah. Have you ridden a,



 the new, since the update on the motor, like in a new 390, yeah, is it smoother?



 Yeah.

 So that's always been, it's a great motor. There's the, the Duke adventure, uh, the current adventure. Uh, and I guess the Vittens fart have, have always done well for us, but like that's always been among the gripe is the, the motors vibrate some. And I wonder if, if they address that a little bit with the, with the update.

 They've refined it a little bit for sure. Um,



 they, uh, they also have like a different TFT display. That's kind of interesting to put on. Like you think of these three nineties are going to be like price point bikes, right there, they're an entry level class, but they're still coming with like a full color TFT display on even like the enduro and the, uh, SMC models. Um, it's a smaller 4.4 inch display, uh, four, sorry, 4.1 inch display. I've got to be real technical here. Um, but the, uh, so it's interesting to see that though.

 So I mean, I think the, the rally are there. And then the enduro, uh, there was the previous slide is comparable to the BMW that we looked at a few minutes ago. Um, and I just, I wonder like what the take rate on those two bikes are. I'm thinking like CRFL and CRFL rally.

 Yeah.



 Cause they're kind of the same, right?

 Yeah.

 They're just, they're,

 they're identical in the Honda. They're identical except for the front

 fairings on the front stack on the bottom. And I, according to what KTM is saying, these two bikes will be identical to the rally, uh, and the, which to me, so I don't know.

 This is going to be more dirt. It brings this more into a dirt category than the previous generation of the three nineties.

 Well, I think just the fact that it's going to 21 inch front wheel on it, you know, is an indication of that versus what a 19.

 Um, but even in terms of the chassis and everything is what I mean. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, 21 18 set up on the wheels. And I've always said that, you know, if you have a bike that is an adventure bike and they say it's for the dirt and it doesn't have a 21 inch front wheel, it could do better.

 Yeah.

 Um, and so we, we sometimes find the compromise at 19 inches and that's, you know, what the GS does and it's really capable off road, considering all of that. But, uh, really putting a 21 inch front wheel on that thing would make it so much more offered and capable.

 Yeah. And for me going from the tiger to the multi-strider going from a 21 to a 19, it makes a big difference.

 And I think the manufacturers are cautious to put the 21 on, on some of these bikes, because the, the gyro effect of the big front wheel makes the bike want to stand up mid-corner, uh, and, and some people don't like that. So I think that's why they compromise it in 19.

 Yeah.

 But to be, you know, proper off road. Yeah, I agree. It needs a 21 on it. Yeah.

 Now this is up on power. Is it down on weight, up on weight? We know yet.

 Um, I don't, I haven't looked that far into it. I don't know.

 Looking at it. I mean, just with the counter rally tower and the big fairings and stuff, I would assume it's up on weight compared to the current adventure, but I don't know. Yeah, I'm not sure.

 It's not heavy by any means anyway. Right.

 It's much better looking

 and I'm liking, I'm liking the look of it. I'm really liking the high fender. I'm liking the look of that rear fender. It really looks more like a dirt bike fender and the seat and everything is pretty shallow. I'm sure that a rally seat is going to be available for it. So for a taller rider like me or anyone who likes to ride off-road, um, you're going to appreciate being able to move around and see a little more.

 It's kind of what held me back on the, um, the previous 390 was they had just the adventure and not the adventure are. And it was just like, wasn't really that good looking on the front. Right. Like this, this is what I wanted that bike to be for sure. Yeah. And like, I would much rather have this over a 300. Oh, yeah. Obviously it's kind of like 20 more horsepower.



 We have some 390 adventures that we have like currently, um, but, uh, I didn't bring this up already, but maybe we should at this point, we currently are the top selling KTM group dealer in the Southeast. Uh, we just gained that in October and we're hoping to keep it through the end of the year. Uh, part of that is some massive deals that we have going on with all of those groups, all of those group buys. So KTM is foreign and gas gas, um, with the new announcements coming out with all of this, this is the time to take advantage of us.

 Definitely.

 While we have inventory that we want to, we want to sell. And while we have, um, rebates that are available that really help get these prices down. So definitely check out website. I'm releasing new things every month. So, um, check that out while we have opportunity.

 Not on the 390, but they have some 390. Yeah, but not to this degree. I think some bikes we've got $3,500.

 $3,500 is the max. Um, so I've

 seen some stuff that's very tempting.



 Well, and we're going past that like we're, that's the contribution that KTM is making. We're also cutting into our margins to make sure that we sell as many bikes as possible.



 Y'all have any six 90 supermoto?

 Yeah.

 Come on. What's the discount on that?

 Well, let me look, sir.



 No, it's a good discount. Yeah.

 Yeah. Um, so I keep a spreadsheet. You saw them six 90 Enduro.

 Not supermoto.

 Oh,



 six 90 SMCR is priced at 10 999 right now. Um, so they're originally at 12, 999. So you've got $2,000 off right off the top. Um, and you know, we'll see what works out best as far as how we do the, uh, financing and all of that.

 So, you know, y'all heard it here. You can pay doors in Eastridge, Tennessee,

 but, uh, yeah, along with these bikes that we've talked about already, uh, we kind of were wrapping up, uh, our time here, but, uh, they did a few things that were like pre-Ikma, um, before the show started, they had a few little pre-releases. Um, they announced their automated manual transmission. Yep. Um, and that's going to be on their 12 90 super adventure S Evo, um, and 12 9 super adventure S and the, uh, sorry, I said 12 90 13 90 super adventure S Evo and, uh, and standard, um, and then the, uh, 13 90 super adventure R. Um, and they're really selling this as a, you know, something that's capable off road, um, it has a gear shifter. Just like normal. And like we talked about with the BMW version of the same exact thing, it is something that you can still use it like a quick shift. It's going to be a little smoother on the quick shift than a previous generation bike, which we haven't had a chance to ride yet. Right. I'm anticipating that I really like it. Um, but also think about adding quick shift and also having a recluse clutch. And that's kind of what I'm imagining it's going to be like. So I haven't had a chance to ride it, like I said, but, uh, they also changed your, um, gears neutrals. Now at the bottom, uh, you don't have a weird in between gear, which is going to be so funny.

 Neutral is going to be so much easier.

 It's going to be weird. Like, I don't know. I don't know how I'll react to it.

 So it's like a CRF one 10.



 Yeah.



 Is that what you hear?

 Is that what we want? So I'm not sure that's what we want. This is like an ATV.

 It's kind of locking Prowler. It won't just go there. Okay. So you'd still have you, we could still complicate it for you. Okay. Thanks.



 Just mixing everything up from. So when you go from bike to bike, it's like, yeah, the quick shifter alone throws me off because I get so used to having a quick shifter and then I go back to one of my older bikes and I'm like, Oh,



 let's not do that.



 So then they came out with this announcement about the TFT dash. It's an 8.8 inch diagonally measured, uh, TFT dash, which is the biggest thing I've seen on a motorcycle. Um, but, uh, it allows for navigation, which is really cool. Like, uh, they're, they're making it more native and that's what's going to come on those adventure bikes as well. Um, and then we talked about the free rider E already, which it's also going to have the who's far enough version of it. That's going to be called the pioneer. Yep. Um, I didn't, I didn't get your picture that I probably should have. Um, the SX E five, which we already talked about is coming electric with, uh, the water cooling, liquid cooling. Um, 13 nine or sorry, the nine 90 Duke R we mentioned. I'm kind of just going through these now. Uh, the nine 90 Duke R is going to be nice. So that is going to have that new high peer, um, caliper on it. So you get an upgrade on brakes upgrade on suspension from the previous generation. I did talk to our KTM rep yesterday about it, and he was saying it is not going to come with a rear seat. It is not going to have the rear pegs. So it is going to be full on solo. You're going out and being a hooligan with it. Um, and then, uh, they included some other things that were not really that important. They did the 13 90 super Duke R Evo, which we pretty much already have. Um, what are the specs on that bike? Oh man. Just around about your, your hundred.

 I'm one 80.

 They're right around one 90 on horse.

 Are they one 90 now? Yes. Uh, enough.

 107 foot pounds. It's worth the work. Wow. Um, and then, uh, they're right around 420 pounds, which is not light by any means, but it's not heavy. Um, but they're, they're really a powerhouse. I think the KTM is good. Done a good job of refining that bike is different generations have come on. I know the first generation I rode, you couldn't keep the front wheel down. Uh, and you know, it really felt light up there. So a lot of people take them out the track days, complained about the steering dampener, it's really not the steering dampener's fault. It's that you're not used to riding an upright bike on the track. It's not made for that really. Um, you really have to put your weight over the front, but as the generations have gone on, that has been less and less the case. And I think they've really got something nice with this 13 90 now. And if someone's looking for like a full on, we keep using the word hooligan bike, but like a super powerful naked bike, that's more upright, but comfortable. I like the KTM because it is a purpose built naked bike. It's not a sport bike that they've taken the fairings off of. And I would argue like the BMW S 1000 R is a sport bike that they've taken the fairings off of. Um, it's still comfortable. It still works really well, but the 13 90 was built with that in mind from the ground up, and I think there's the speed triple, uh, 1200 also does that very well. Where the streets, the speed triple RR is almost like they've taken a naked bike and added a fairing too.

 So the geometry in the front end, the, the fork handle and stuff like that doesn't always work with the taller bars and the wider bars that, that like this 1000, um,



 they, they took the double R. Uh, and it's basically the same geometry with, with, you know, tall, wide bars on it. And to me, it doesn't, it's a great bike, but you really start hustling and it kind of gets behind the super Dukes. Not that way. I think the super Duke for probably checks more boxes for the naked bikes than, than any of the other ones. Uh, it's a great motorcycle. It's a headlight for me. Yeah. That's what I struggle with.

 The it's comfortable, but it was built to where it can still handle with that right position.

 Yeah. I mean, no matter what we're talking about, um, the, we, we sell a ton of S 1000 of Lars would be really, really well with that bike, but if you're not taking that to a track day, I would say for most people, the S 1000 R would be a better choice. Um, we have the M 1000 are there now. If you wanted the power and you're just not satisfied with less than 200 horsepower. We have the M 1000 are there with the competition package. We have a, we have a couple of those and you know, again, we need to sell them. So take advantage of us.

 Yeah. It's, it's a double R tune and a single R cheese

 and all the carbon fiber you can think of and like, and it is gorgeous.

 Yeah. They're beautiful.

 Yeah. They're beautiful with the motorsport scheme and all that hard to.

 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're just going to stand out there. We cop on the right.



 Cop C, cop C BMW sport bike and they're like, okay, I see you. They know, they know. All right. Is that all of them?

 Is that all the bikes that we needed to cover? Um, there's a lot of them from KTM obviously, and, uh, we'll see what the industry has for us next year for sure.

 Drop did the 800 that we've seen. We've kind of, we've seen the 800, uh, the tiger tiger sport. Yeah. Uh, but that's a cool bike that we're getting. Um, cause I think that bike's been, we haven't had it in the U S. Um, and I think, I think some other countries have had it in the past, but anyway, we're getting that fixes the problems of the six 60. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Um, and then, uh, they've got the stealth bondables coming, which are really cool.

 Yeah.

 They, which is just just colorways, but I mean, I think that's the, I think that's important with the bondable is, is colorway. Yeah.

 It's mostly about the looks.

 It is. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and, and Trump's done a great job of keeping that bike proper over the years with the, they're still a hand pin striped. Yep. Like they always have been, uh, the, the colors are appropriate for that bike. I think.

 And don't leave out the icon.

 The icons are really cool. So full line of icons, uh, with the, with the gold script and, and we

 said eight bikes finally, right.

 Uh, yeah, I think eight, I think.

 Seven or eight.

 Yeah. Uh, 450 motocross bike coming.

 Are there, oh yeah.

 Yeah. And they did, they did, uh, I can, but they had the RC version of the Riccard Michael version of that bike. So yeah, cool stuff coming to Cottie, uh, dirt bike. I mean, there's so many, there's so many, there's so many bikes that, uh, that are coming, uh, not just, not just our brands.

 There's stay tuned for part two.

 All right, guys. Well, I guess we're going to get out of here. So for Pandora's European Motorsports, this has been the throttle stop Moto podcast I'm Justin and Jeff. All right, guys. Thank you.

 See y'all in the next one.