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The Straight Shift with The Car Chick
The Rise of Women-Only Rideshare Services
Summary:
In this episode of The Straight Shift, The Car Chick discusses the critical issue of safety in rideshare services with Kimberly Evans, founder of Just Her Rideshare. They explore the alarming statistics surrounding assaults in rideshare, the necessity of a women-only rideshare service, and the unique vetting process that ensures safety for both drivers and riders. Kimberly shares her personal experiences and the challenges of building a women-centric transportation service, emphasizing the importance of community and trust. The conversation highlights the need for safer transportation options for women and the broader impact on society.
About Our Guest:
Kimberly Evans is a seasoned business leader and fourth-generation entrepreneur. As the Founder and CEO of Just Her Rideshare, Inc., she has created a women-centric rideshare company based in Charlotte, NC, where safety, comfort, and community ride together.
Takeaways:
· Safety in rideshare services is a significant concern for women.
· Over 40% of women report uncomfortable encounters in rideshare services.
· Vetting processes in traditional rideshare services are inadequate.
· Women are less likely to perpetrate crimes against each other.
· Just Her Rideshare was created to provide a safer option for women.
· Fundraising for women-led startups is particularly challenging.
· Just Her Rideshare is more than just a rideshare; it's a community.
Resources:
JustHerRideshare.com
TheCarChick.com
CarBuyingCourse.com
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The Car Chick (00:00)
Welcome back to The Straight Shift everyone, the podcast where we get very real about cars, car maintenance, driving and everything in between. Today we're diving into a topic that affects millions of women, but doesn't necessarily get enough attention. And that is safety in rideshare services.
Uber and Lyft are in the headlines again, and not for good reasons. They are facing a tidal wave of lawsuits from female riders, alleging everything from harassment to full-on sexual assault from their drivers. And unfortunately, these are not isolated incidents, folks. The numbers are scary, averaging about 6,000 assaults per year. And that's just the incidents that Uber and Lift are reporting. Like other sexual assault statistics, these numbers are likely just a fraction of the reality because victims don't always report.
The response to these complaints from the big rideshare partners has been, let's say, underwhelming at best. And while Uber and Lyft claim to have strict vetting protocols for their drivers, including criminal background checks, there's still a risk to using these services, especially for women. So what happens when women say "enough" and take matters into their own hands? Well, that's where our guest today comes in.
Kimberly Evans is the founder of Just Her Rideshare. It is a women only rideshare service that is changing the way we think about safe transportation. And I am so excited to have her today to share the story behind this unique company, how it works and why it is so important today. Welcome Kimberly, thanks for being on the show.
Kimberly Evans (01:45)
LeeAnn, thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted to share this space with you today. And I can't wait to have this great conversation with you.
The Car Chick (01:53)
Well, let's just start with the elephant in the rideshare room. Why was Just Her Rideshare even necessary in the first place? And what made you personally decide to start this business?
Kimberly Evans (02:08)
Well, first of all, I was my own customer. I'd never taken a ride share. I grew up with stranger danger. So when I was introduced to the industry, I knew I wanted to see if there were other women who felt like me. And we wanted to give women an option to choose how they experience riding with others. Once we started digging deep and we found that over 40% of women were having or had reported uncomfortable encounters, including serious sexual crimes and yes, even murder.
We knew at that point that we had to do something about it. And so that's why Just Her Rideshare is so important in the industry today.
The Car Chick (02:44)
That's just crazy. I hadn't even heard about the murder piece of it. The sexual assault piece was bad enough. Geez, okay. That puts a whole new perspective on it. What do you see are the biggest safety issues with these companies and why do we have these problems? Is there something they're not doing?
Kimberly Evans (02:53)
Yes.
Well, absolutely. ⁓ We found and we decided that we would not use the same background vetting process that the industry leaders use because what we found is that they were allowing perpetrators, maybe not intentionally, to get through their system. In the industry, we know that statistically women are less likely to perpetrate crimes against each other. And so by putting women together, we mitigate risk factors there.
But also we go a step further and our vetting background is just as, you know, it would be for any other background check. It's not just because we're women, because there are women who lure other women into prostitution and sex trafficking and those types of things. And so we found that a lot of these people who were getting through the industry leaders background checks, these were people who purposely are committing unlawful crimes
against women. Not all, but a large number of them, and it's because they haven't been vetted properly.
The Car Chick (04:01)
That's just absolutely terrifying. I mean, you we used to just get into taxis all the time, but we tended to, for some reason, trust that process a little bit more because of the lengths that taxi companies have to go through. And even individuals like in New York City, it would cost like a million bucks or something crazy like that to be able to drive a taxi in New York. And the risk of losing that if there is a criminal complaint, boom, that's gone.
And so we've trusted taxis, but now we're just getting into a car with a random stranger. And like you said, exactly what our parents taught us not to do when we were children. We're talking to people we don't know online, we're getting into cars with them. And we've really shifted this whole perception of what safety is. And I think we've forgotten some of our common sense that at least we learned when you and I were kids.
Kimberly Evans (04:40)
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah, absolutely. I feel the same way. Even when we were doing a lot of research around how women viewed what we wanted to offer them. Is it that they thought about, you know, these safety things or they had a heightened level of awareness? Even when we polled women and they said, well, it doesn't matter to me one way or another if the driver is a female.
Once we started digging deeper, we asked them, how then do you ride? What's your experience? And the first thing is that they said, I checked the tag, I checked the driver, I share my ride. And those are heightened levels of awareness raised, right? So typically when we get into, ⁓ or we're with our peers or we get into cars with women, we don't often have that level or we feel that we have to go to that degree to check because we feel more comfortable. So sometimes it's not just about safety, but it's about the comfort, the peace of mind of being with your peers.
The Car Chick (05:53)
Absolutely, you know, and I think about that just a few weeks ago. I rarely use ride-share services unless I'm traveling but several weeks ago one of my best friends had a we had a surprise 50th birthday party for her, and I knew they would probably be some adult beverages involved, and I just did not want to deal with the nightmare parking situation at the venue. So my husband was able to drop me off, and I just planned to take an uber home. was before you and I met and so was
I really do not want to take an Uber home by myself, you know, but, you know, one, I have some Krav Maga training. I have a weapon on me and I do take some precautions, but it is a little bit unnerving, especially since so many of the drivers, especially that run the late night and on the weekends, a lot of them are men. And, you know, this is, this is why we choose the bear
Kimberly Evans (06:44)
Yes.
The Car Chick (06:47)
in the woods because we know what the bear's intentions are. We do not necessarily know what the strange man's intentions are, but anytime I have ordered one of those ride shares and I saw, oh, it's a woman. Just immediately, it just kind of changes the whole thing and my whole experience. I can relax, you know, I can kick back. I can close my eyes. I can take a nap if it's a long ride. When I'm in a car with a strange man, I am on alert the entire trip.
Kimberly Evans (07:15)
Absolutely.
Absolutely. And a lot of times when we look at the industry and we talk to men, and sometimes they may not often identify with this feeling until we started talking about their daughters, their wives, their moms. But we, as men and women, we identify with fear or discomfort very differently, right? So you get a guy in the car and I've even had some men to tell me that they've gotten into some vehicles and it seems very sketchy and they start to think, you know, sort of go into this
The Car Chick (07:36)
We do.
Kimberly Evans (07:46)
protective
mode. But when women, when we get into someone's vehicle, we know that we are very vulnerable because once you're in, you're in. And if we see someone go down the wrong path or take a wrong turn, or if maybe perhaps the behavior is quite different, we have this heightened, sometimes even a physiological impact. Like we start to get nervous
and anxious, and a lot of times that happens very differently from women than it does for men. And so that's why when we are with women who are again less likely to perpetrate a crime against us, we feel more comfortable. We have such a peace of mind. And so it's not just that we're trying to men as the Uber and the Lyft drivers as know, boogeymen they're all going to harm us.
Sometimes it's just about, I just want to have a comfortable ride and this makes me feel comfortable and I should have the option to do that.
The Car Chick (08:42)
Absolutely. So tell me a little bit more about exactly how it works. You I know that you hire women drivers and you vet them, but how do you vet the rider so that, you know, only people that your service serves are riding in that vehicle?
Kimberly Evans (08:58)
So we don't necessarily vet riders in a sense like through our platform. Again, keep in mind when you're pairing women together and you're building this type of community, you're mitigating some risk factors from the beginning. have most of our women who drive on our platform, our early adopters, we're already in the gig space. So they're already the Uber drivers, the Lyft drivers, the door dashers, the Uber Eats.
Many of them are already used to transporting other passengers besides women. They work with us because they love the fact that they're likely 99.9 % of the time are gonna always get a woman passenger. But there are occasions where men, we transport men. We actually leave it up to the women to decide. If you feel comfortable and you want to earn that revenue, we don't say you can't do that.
We just love giving women the option to choose how they want to experience riding with others. So we don't have anything to vet our customers other than the fact that we require photos of the drivers and the customers. We require that they identify each other. And so sometimes when the customers are creating their profiles and they put in avatars, we send them nice little messages that says, hey, it's our policy.
That we're looking out for your safety as well, that you identify the driver, but we are also looking out for our drivers if they're able to identify you as well. Please upload a photo. And so that is our policy. That's one thing that we do.
The Car Chick (10:29)
And that's wonderful because I didn't even think about kind of the opposite scenario where the woman is the driver in one of these gig scenarios and someone gets into the car and has nefarious intentions, shall we say, or just simply takes advantage of that opportunity. So it's good that you have the protections on both ends while also keeping it open to
Kimberly Evans (10:37)
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
The Car Chick (10:54)
really anyone who might feel more vulnerable because it might be a trans woman, it might be a non-binary person who doesn't feel comfortable and now they have a safer option for riding. I love that.
Kimberly Evans (10:59)
Yes.
Yes, and that's our goal, LeeAnn, because a lot of times in the news stories, you're always hearing about the perpetrator against the customer, but no one ever talks about the driver's safety and what the drivers have to go through. There are so many stories that we hear about drivers who were attacked. We hear about customers who were very rude and abusive to the drivers. And so our community creates a safe environment for drivers. That's why we're such a powerful community because we're not only looking out for customers, but we're also looking out for drivers as well.
The Car Chick (11:41)
The biggest risk a driver will face from having me in the car is having me talk their ear off because I want to know everything about them. I see it as a networking opportunity. So on, on that ride home from my friend's birthday party, it was a nice young man and he was originally from Italy and I heard slight accent and he works in IT during the week and just runs gigs on the weekend. And we had a lovely conversation. Part of it was even in Italian. We had a great time.
Kimberly Evans (11:50)
Yes, yes.
The Car Chick (12:07)
But one
Kimberly Evans (12:08)
Yes.
The Car Chick (12:09)
of the reasons I do that, part of it, it's just me, I'm a talker, but I will also do that to intentionally engage the driver as a safety measure.
Kimberly Evans (12:17)
Yes.
Yes,
And one more thing I'll say about that is, and that's how we sort of create our community. And we've built this trusted network of both women, drivers and customers building community together because we encourage the talking and the sharing of stories and journeys because that's how you get to know people. That's how you get to build community. We've had drivers and customers to go on vacation together because...
The Car Chick (12:44)
Wow.
Kimberly Evans (12:44)
The
one driver was the customer's driver for almost a year. They got to know each other. They got to build community. We have drivers who have been hired full time by their customers that were attorneys who were looking for work. You would never know that unless you're having conversations. So that's one of the things that we encourage in our community is that if you're vulnerable, now if you want a quiet ride, if you don't want a chatty driver, you can get that as well. But if you are vulnerable enough to open up, and find out you never know who you're getting in your car. And you know what I'm saying? So it makes a difference. And so we love that. So we love the talkers as well.
The Car Chick (13:21)
Well, that's good. you know, actually, as you were talking about the risks the drivers themselves, it actually reminded me when I was in college, one of my good friends from high school who was out in college in Oklahoma, she was delivering pizzas as her college job and she was murdered. And that has always stayed with me. And I didn't until this moment really connect it with the risks to
Kimberly Evans (13:43)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
The Car Chick (13:50)
people who drive for the right share companies or for these delivery companies. so.
Kimberly Evans (13:54)
Absolutely.
And I have a tragic story myself ⁓ that kept me from utilizing rideshare services. And I'm not quite sure if I shared this with you as part of my story. When I was, now it was the pre rideshare era, so it wasn't like a rideshare driver, but when I was in my early twenties, ⁓ one of my really good friends, we had partied the weekend before, on Monday she was standing at a bus stop and she was abducted and brutally murdered.
They didn't find her murderer for 12 years until they found his DNA matched another young woman, kind of in the Raleigh-Durham area, and that's how they found him. So it left me feeling very vulnerable and afraid. So when I was introduced to this industry, I then knew that this was something that I wanted to at least see if other women felt like I did.
Once we start the discovery phase, I then stumbled across a young woman at USC Columbia ⁓ who was out partying with her friends as college students often do, and hopped into an Uber impersonator, someone she thought was her Uber, and was abducted and brutally murdered. And it was her story, and I call her name every time I can, Samantha Josephson, because it was her story that made me want to move forward and creating this safe space for women to have these options.
The Car Chick (15:12)
Yeah, and especially when you're out. And one of the reasons you use a ride share is if you are out having a good time, there are adult beverages or whatever involved, your judgment is less, you're not paying attention. So you can't rely as much on yourself to keep yourself safe. You are extra vulnerable. And people say, well, she shouldn't have been drunk or whatever. But we know that's absolute crap because men go out and get drunk all the time,
Kimberly Evans (15:23)
Yes.
Yes.
The Car Chick (15:40)
and don't have to necessarily worry about getting abducted and murdered just trying to get home. Having that extra layer of security that doesn't rely on you to remember to check your driver and to check the plate and to check the type of car. And for a lot of people, they're not like me, they don't know the exact model of the car. It's like, it tells you that a Nissan Altima is pulling up and they don't necessarily know what a Nissan Altima is. I'm looking at it and say, ⁓ okay, well it's this year and...
Kimberly Evans (15:45)
Absolutely.
The Car Chick (16:09)
But that's because I'm a nerd!
Kimberly Evans (16:10)
Exactly. And you're right. You're absolutely right. And well, and that's because you know the industry, but you're right. A lot of our rideshare users don't know and they're vulnerable in that regard.
While yes, there are, think maybe I saw a report that Uber maybe did like 16.1 billion in rides, I think in 2024, 2023, because their new report hasn't come out yet. And when you think about it, if you think about 20,000 or 50,000 assaults, it may seem very minute, but one is too many for us. All it takes is one. And if it's your daughter, your wife, your sister,
The Car Chick (16:45)
One is too many.
Kimberly Evans (16:50)
then you see it very differently because overall, yes, that may be a small percentage, but not to us. To our community, we believe that we should be able to ride in a stranger's car and not be abducted or not be sexually assaulted or not be hit on. Like, dude, like I'm trying to get from point A to point B. I don't want to date you. I don't want to go out. So it's all kinds of uncomfortable things. It's not just the tragic things, but it's the discomfort of... you know, feeling like somebody is coming on too strong or admiring you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable. Women, we don't do that to each other, so, you know.
The Car Chick (17:25)
Right.
Exactly. Exactly. And that's a great point. I think that's one of the reasons why some people are excited about the driverless taxis in some cities, with the whole self-driving cars, but then that also requires you to trust a computer to drive the car. And we've certainly seen a number of issues with those vehicles, and I'm going to have to do a whole podcast on those.
Kimberly Evans (17:37)
Yes.
Yes.
The Car Chick (17:52)
So this is kind of a nice, happy medium. It's like, it's still a human, but it's a human that can have a higher trust factor than some other humans.
So what's been your biggest challenge? I mean, you know, as, as an innovator and an entrepreneur and starting a service that had never been done before, you know, I certainly understand that this is not an easy thing to do. What have been some of your biggest challenges to date in getting this new company off the ground?
Kimberly Evans (17:57)
Yes, yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, so I wasn't the first. are several of us out there. There were several before me that had tried. There are some international companies that have tried and were successful. One of the things that I found, I did a lot of research because remember we started building during COVID. So the world was shut down. So we had a lot of time to figure it out. So we did a ton of discovery phases and customer discovery and all of that. So, I called rideshare companies. I wanted to know women who had tried.
What was the biggest setback? Why did you fail? ⁓ And most of them told me that ⁓ it is due to revenue sensitivity. ⁓ It is due to the high cost of insurance because the insurance likely did put a lot of those companies that tried out of business. In fact, it's been my biggest pain point as well. And so it's really that you can't build a company like this, not as a transportation network company.
Like you can get a commercial license and transport people ⁓ through non-medical transportation. You can get a limousine commercial license and do that, but to be a transportation network company is a different animal. And the insurance will put most companies, new stage companies out of business. So those have been some of my biggest challenges, but I did the work and I understood going in what it was gonna take to do that.
So we were poised in position to launch at a time where we thought we could get the most bang for our buck and that we could grow quickly enough and scale quickly enough to offset that high cost of insurance. And so other than that, the biggest challenge has been fundraising. I mean, imagine fundraising as a woman and then imagine fundraising as a black woman. We know statistically it's not in our favor.
The Car Chick (20:08)
Ha!
Kimberly Evans (20:13)
But it's been the biggest challenge of building this company is getting enough funding, decreasing the funding gaps to help us scale quicker, meaning launching it to new markets and things like that. So overall, yes, we've had some other challenges of growing companies like acquiring great team, you know, when you are revenue sensitive and you can't pay them, it's hard to get people to really sign on to your vision. We have a great group of people that have, but it hasn't always been easy to get to this point.
The Car Chick (20:43)
And that makes sense, especially since in the business investment community, again, so many of those folks are men, and they're wonderful people, but they don't necessarily understand the pain point in the market that you are solving. So they just don't get it on the same visceral level.
When Trish, who introduced me to you, and she's the one I was at her birthday party for, she told me about your company than she was kind of helping you. And I was like, my gosh, where has this been? You know, I immediately got it. And she didn't even have to say anything else. I was like, rideshare for women, by women - done. I was sold. And if I had a lot of money to invest, I would have been knocking on your door. But, you know, other business investors don't necessarily get it at that just gut level and know that yeah, this, this is a thing.
Kimberly Evans (21:17)
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Absolutely. And here's the thing. Going back to sort of the, the men controlling the funding and why they don't see what we do as important,
because they don't identify with the same pain points that we identify with. Again, when they're getting into cars, they're not afraid. They're likely talking about a game or, you know, the stock market or something like that. And if a driver goes down the wrong way, they're like, hey, dude, you're maybe going down the wrong way. But for us as women, we see it so different, we feel it different. And so when they think of us, they think of, you're just another Uber or you're an Uber wannabe.
It doesn't resonate. And so when we're speaking to men about the importance of what we do, we hone right in. What if your daughter needed a ride from the airport late at night and her only option was with a ride share driver in a strange city? Then it starts to resonate with them because they tell me then all the time, well, I'm tracking her location. Okay, well, you're tracking her location, which means you're concerned about her safety.
And so we have had men to invest in us when they identify with us on that level. But in terms of the big dollars and the investment dollars, all know where those dollars go to. And we're hoping that we will continue to make progress and that more women ⁓ founders ⁓ will be funded the way that most men are, in particular, getting millions of dollars just to go figure something out. We're doing great work here.
And so, but it's just hard. I'm not an anomaly. It's others in my industry and other founder friends who experienced the same thing, but fundraising has been brutal. Yes.
The Car Chick (23:28)
We need to somehow get the attention of Mackenzie Scott and see if she wants to get on board with this. I think she will understand.
Kimberly Evans (23:32)
Yes. Yes,
So don't get me wrong, we have many people who have believed in us and we have gotten this company this far because of them. But our game changing investor is out there. But you got to kiss a lot of frogs to get to the prince. So I'm kissing frogs right now.
The Car Chick (23:52)
Well, we've got to kiss the frogs that will lead us to the right princess. I think that's what we need to be doing.
Kimberly Evans (23:57)
Yes, that's so true.
You know what, thank you for saying that because I've been using that and I share it with my team and we laugh about it. But no, it is to get us to the princess because I believe that our investor could be, ⁓ I don't have to always look for the men investors. Our investor could be the woman who's out there who understands what we're doing, who sees the mission and the vision. And so yeah, so I'm going to start saying the princess and not the prince.
The Car Chick (24:27)
Well, what markets do you currently serve? know you're still small, but you are trying to grow responsibly, which as a business owner, I also respect.
Kimberly Evans (24:31)
Yes.
Yes.
Charlotte is our biggest market. It is the market that has proven to us that we can do what we're doing. But we also have a small presence in six other cities in North and South Carolina. So Greensboro, Raleigh, Durham, and then Columbia, Charleston, and Greenville, South Carolina. And hopefully, if things keep moving in the right direction, we are looking at launching some sectors in the DMV area. So the Washington, DC area, and then also Nashville, Tennessee.
The Car Chick (25:06)
That's fantastic. Now, how do people say they're in one of these areas like me? Like, I know who I'm calling next time I have to go to the airport. But how do people learn more about your company and how do people who are in one of these service areas actually use your company?
Kimberly Evans (25:15)
Yes.
Yeah, yeah. So first of all, download the app. So all of you out there, get your phones out now and download the app at Just Her Ride. Yes, yes, make sure you have the app and you can create your profile. So we have the app, do that next time. If you're not a consistent rider, the next time you think about rideshare, just think of us. Even if the times are gonna be a little bit of a longer wait.
We ask you to plan ahead. So women, we're already used to planning ahead. We plan for our kids, we plan for our communities, we volunteer, we plan all of those. So you can plan ahead. So you download the app first, you can subscribe to our newsletter at JustHerRideShare.com.
You can also become a part of our community platform, Just Her Hub. We call them our hubbers. It's an extension of the ride share. It's a place where we connect and engage and support each other. We also highlight other small businesses, we don't monetize it, but that is a community at JustHerRideShare.com. And then of course you can find us on all social media platforms at JustHerRide.
The Car Chick (26:28)
I love it. And I'm going to put as many of those links as I can into the description below so that people can access those very, very easily. And I love that you are, you're not just creating this app for a transaction of getting from point A to point B, you're truly building community. And that has so much power to start shifting the way women think about our safety in this modern age, because it is changing.
Kimberly Evans (26:53)
Yes.
For sure, and LeeAnn, I have to say this, that what we're building is a trusted network of women. ⁓ It's almost essentially a platform that offers rideshare services. Even though we're a rideshare community, the way we look at what we're building, it's so different and we're not in it just for a buck. We're in it to impact our community. There are women who are in transportation deserts. There are women who need appointments home.
When we spoke with one of the largest hospitals here in Charlotte atrium, they told us that there are women who ⁓ give birth and they cannot release them because they don't have proper transportation. And so every day they have to keep them. It costs them about $1,275 a bed to keep them. There are women who are impacted by social issues like domestic violence and sexual assault and human trafficking. The lack of mobility or limited mobility impacts the quality of life.
Right now, we're doing some work with the urban league of Charlotte as we are other organizations as well. We transport one young lady that it's a 15 minute ride, 10 to 12 to 15 minute ride for her to get to her destination. It takes her two and a half hours on the city bus. Tell me if that's a quality of life for someone. So I always say we're more than just a ride to the airport. We're more than just a ride share. We are a community and what we're doing is impacting
The Car Chick (28:09)
Ugh.
Kimberly Evans (28:19)
⁓ our communities and we're solving transportation problems. Not just for the rideshare, those who can afford it, but also for people who need to be moved That's our mission and our vision is that we're more than just a rideshare.
The Car Chick (28:34)
I love it. I am so thrilled that you took the time out of your schedule today to be with me and our audience on this podcast because I'm really passionate about what you do. Obviously I'm all about women empowering other women. And I think that makes our whole society so much stronger. So again, thank you so very much.
Kimberly Evans (28:45)
Thank you.
The Car Chick (29:04)
Listeners remember, getting home safely from wherever you are, this should not be a luxury. It should be the
norm.
Check out Just Her Rideshare, especially if you're in the Charlotte or one of these areas in the Carolinas. Even if you're not, check it out and see how you might be able to get involved with this community because I think this is definitely going to be a game changer for women in our community.
So folks, until next time, drive safely, stay aware, and don't let anyone get into the passenger seat of your life. You have to be the driver. We're outta here.