NO KETCHUP....Sports Talk w/ Sean Little & Nick Harvey
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NO KETCHUP....Sports Talk w/ Sean Little & Nick Harvey
CFB is Hilarious, Caleb & Bears D Shine, Coaching Malpractice, New Age MLB players
College football is chaos and hilarious. We pulled some ridiculous moments from the CFB weekend and talked about the spots you can expect an upset. Caleb Williams' put on an electrifying performance that was backed up by the nasty Bears defense. Can Bears fan finally say "We got one"? We also couldn't resist poking fun at the Buffalo Bills' clock management woes and shared a laugh over Nick's unique criteria at what traits make a good head coach. Plus, we threw our support behind players like Devontae Adams standing their ground in today's challenging sports landscape but is he going about the holdout the right way? We close it with the MLB Playoffs. The games have been wild and the player vs fan banter even better. But forget about the play on the field, Sean asks Nick what accessories he'd rock if he were a pro baseball player. Big fun is this episode of NK!
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No ketchup, no ketchup. What's good, my people, welcome to no Catch-Up Sports Talk via Chicago. I am your host, your little big dick. The quick with me. As always, we got a lot to talk about. We missed last week, man. We were just traveling for work. Man, we tried to grind it out. Get you as much stuff as we can, I promise, but we're back. College football is hilarious.
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about a couple of things that we saw over the weekend. You know we're not big college football guys, but that's how we're going to approach talking about college football. We'll do a little weekend catch-up as well. Then we're going to talk about the Bears. Caleb Williams, absolutely dealing. The trajectory is going up, people. Then we'll go around the shield. We talk about Bears.
Speaker 2:Talk about the Bills'. Clock management. What happened at the end of that game? For them to allow the Texans to kick a field goal to win? It was absolutely atrocious. We'll talk about clock management. Nick's list for what he wants in a head coach. Devontae Adams, the situation, the holdout. Is he handling it the right way? We're pro holdout on no catch-up. What's the best way to go about it? We'll talk about that Baseball man. This shit's been off the chain. The baseball playoffs have been lit. If you've been watching, they've been a lot of fun. Mets-phillies was another thriller. Dodgers, padres, people getting in fights in the stands, throwing stuff on the field we're going to talk about. If Nick was a pro baseball player, what fit would he rock? How many chains would Big Nick the Quick rock? And then we'll talk a little bit about what's going on with the baseball playoff and what I love about it. Lots to talk about here. No catch up Sports. Talk for Chicago. Let's get to it. Big Nick the Quick. What's happening?
Speaker 1:Man how we feeling.
Speaker 2:What's the word?
Speaker 1:Man. Another week. Man, Another week, another Bears win. I got a story actually Shout-out to my mans the other night. We were at a party out in, I think, out in Kenwood, random, super random. So I'm walking through getting ready to leave, random dude taps me on the shoulder. He's like yo, you're Nick, right, so you know. Sometimes you see people and you're trying to place it like who is this? I don't know who this might be. So I'm just like what's up? Man chopping it up. And he's like yo, I fuck with the pod. So I thought that that was pretty dope.
Speaker 1:I told you about that yesterday, man yeah, fire that's what we do it for man, we out here doing it for the people, man. So it's always love. But now when people recognize it, and you know, no, of course all day shout out my man's out there for sure that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Man, tell a homie to tell a friend, pass it, pass it along word man, pass the word bro. Um, I got this. I'm trying to get the spotify thing updated. If you listen on spotify, I was working with them online. I switched podcast. It is now getting moved over and migrated so it could transfer over seamlessly over the new episodes on Spotify. So be on the lookout for that. If not, just watch the video. Man, I'm working on it, don't trip. College football is hilarious. Look, I don't even need to recap my weekend because I sat in the crib all weekend. I didn't do anything, because the next three weekends I'm going out of town. So I was like you know what, sean, sit your ass in the house and tell your girl. We sitting our ass in the house because that's half the battle. Your girl be around. You know what I'm saying. You don't want to. She's bored. You can feel the pressure radiating onto you, like, take this girl out. I'm like nah, we stand in the crib, order some food. We not doing nothing?
Speaker 1:I want to hear it. We're not doing all that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're chilling, that's it.
Speaker 1:It's tough to step out nowadays, man. I took my girl to lunch on Saturday. It was $70. So oh yeah, it's out of control out here Lunch Breakfast.
Speaker 2:I had a $70 breakfast the other day yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy, it's crazy. But yeah, I'm out of town the next three weekends. I'm like let me just go ahead and chill, because next three weeks, four weeks, are very active and then the NBA starts. So that's going to go. First I thought the Washington Huskies at home playing against the Michigan Wolverines was a great spot to make some money on Washington. If it won, I thought it would. That's why I played it. But either way, I just thought it was the right side.
Speaker 2:First road game for Michigan Orgy. He's a young dude, he was gonna play. He ended up getting taken out. That's when it got a little spooky. But first road game, washington having a sufficient offense that would be able to put up points, michigan would be in the spot where they had to come from behind, I think. So it was ended up being a good win.
Speaker 2:But college football is hilarious, man. Outside of all the upsets, I wanted to bring up this specific situation. I'm watching Michigan-Washington. Washington scores a touchdown. They bring out the extra point. The graphics on the screen are going crazy. No one says a word about anything. They show the replay, everything. They kick the extra point. Noah Eagle is on the call. He's great, by the way. Salute Noah Eagle. Noah Eagle, he's gonna be in the game for a long time. Good, he updates the score. We'll be right back. Let's go to break. They go to break. Nick, come back from break and it's third down. I'm like wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What you mean? It's third down, bro. They just scored a touchdown, kicked the extra point and went to commercial. Only this only happens in college football.
Speaker 1:That would never, ever, ever happen so they had a whole another play and then pulled the touchdown back after they brother, they scored.
Speaker 2:They scored a touchdown, kicked the extra point, the place kicker dapped up the holder, noah Eagle, said the score out loud will be right back from the beautiful scene in Northwest Washington. And we came back and it was third and goal Touchdown disappeared. Touchdown disappeared, bro. So Noah then went on to explain that someone buzzed from somewhere and it went under review right before the extra point, but people didn't know that it came in in time. It's just like some shit that only happened in college football. Don't worry about it. All good Washington scores on the next play, but it's like well man, college football is a wild ass place.
Speaker 1:It's not. It's not a real sport. It's not a real sport. So mine isn't as specific, but I will say this every weekend. I feel like, all right, man, I'm gonna sit down, you know, I'm gonna watch a little bit of ball. There's always a big matchup, whether it's your big noon, saturday, or or whatever it might be, and I feel like I always walk away with the same thoughts that a, this is not a real sport. There's no, there's no quarterbacks to be found. Um, georgia and alabama last week was electric. That was awesome, but it's kind of once in a blue moon, right. Otherwise it's like what happened to me on saturday.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, I went out to lunch, I'm sitting at the bar. They got mizzou versus texas a and m on. I watched one quarter of this game. Mizzou's quarterback who, mind you, is in his fifth year of college, right. So this isn't a freshman, this isn't someone who just got here. He was 13 for 31, 13 for 31 on consecutive passes. I watched him bounce a ball off a receiver's head for what would have been a touchdown under, throw another touchdown and overthrow another one right after that. And I'm just. I'm sitting there and the guy next to me at the bar is a mizzou's fan. I'm like is this guy any good? He's like, yeah, I mean, he's always been our guy for a while. I'm like, what am I watching here? Like and again.
Speaker 1:We've talked about this before there's maybe only 10 people on the planet earth that can actually play a quarterback at a high level, and none of them are in college. Maybe, maybe, if you're lucky, you get one or two of these guys who are in college. There's not enough of the guys to fill the nfl, but just watching college football, betting college football whole nother nightmare. I had a whole bunch of prop bets last week that I felt great in Half the guys, to your point, got benched for something stupid in the first quarter. They don't get any more carries after that. It's just you can't set your clock to it.
Speaker 1:College football rushing props are dust, because if he makes one mistake, he'll never see the field again.
Speaker 2:It's just a lot of wild shit going on Bama, it's wild. If you, it's just a lot of wild shit going on Bama, it's wild. And if, look, and if you're a betting person and you have the stomach to bet on college football, I would say this man, I don't think I'd do it. This is what I would. Nah, bro, it's pretty nasty. I mean I like the Washington spot, but like it's really, really nasty. I would say this All the upsets last week you just actually were just talking about one with Mississippi State, that was an upset. We had Bama go down number one. They lost Vanderbilt. Yeah, like crazy. Vanderbilt would never be like a top five program in their history. They were like 0 for 60 or something crazy. But like Cal was up big on Miami, they had to score 21 points in the fourth quarter. Usc lost outright. It's just every week.
Speaker 1:Louisville lost Alabama game last week. Alabama was up by like 40. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Right, Georgia took the lead in the fourth quarter, exactly. Look so before we move off college and get to the Bears here. If you're trying to make money and bet spots in college football and you're not that locked in or you spend most of your time breaking down NFL and NBA and stuff coming up like we do, pro stuff come off either a big upset win or a big rollercoaster win. In general, almost always a fade spot. In the next week, bama comes off that rollercoaster, massive one-versus-two game at home versus Georgia. They go up, big, go down, come back and win. They go to Vanderbilt. Oh, we're going to roll these boys out. They probably partied all week. Had the extra Johns coming through Milrose, now the Heisman favorite. The whole package, the whole thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ryan Williams the greatest receiver.
Speaker 2:I've ever seen Yep yep, yeah, then we're going to go over to Nashville and Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1:Kellen DeBoer doesn't lose games.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nick Saban, who All this bullshit? They go down to Vanderbilt and lose outright. They were like a 30, 28 and a half point, 30 point favorite Another spot. So fade big letdown spots after huge wins and then look to fade teams that have a look-ahead spot. Usc hosts Penn State this coming Saturday but in between USC had to go to Minnesota at night and play them in their place. We'll just go ahead and take care of that and then we'll head out home to LA and host Penn State. They're already pre and host Penn State. They're already prepping for Penn State. Minnesota ends up winning outright. Penn State has a game against UCLA. Spreads 28-and-a-half UCLA is garbage. We'll take care of this. Then get out to LA and take care of business. They don't cover that number. So those are the two angles you could look to attack, if anything for college football, because the shit is so unpredictable. Those are spots I like to look at.
Speaker 1:Think about what we just said, though. This is how crazy we are. Minnesota is hosting UCLA, usc is hosting fucking Penn State. It's just crazy out here. Like I said, I was watching.
Speaker 2:A&M. Oh, like the Big Ten yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Big Ten.
Speaker 2:yeah, we're just traveling across the country. It's nothing.
Speaker 1:It is what it is Oregon's playing Nebraska or whatever, it doesn't matter, man, we're just going all over the place. We're just scheduling games. Guys are leaving in the middle of the season because the NIL money wasn't right. It is literally the wild, wild West. It's a disaster. I think I'm done betting on it until next week and I see something that I like, but every week I tell myself I'm out, I didn't touch anything this week Until next week, when I see something I like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't touch anything last week or this week, because it was such a bloodbath for me last week, but I know I'll be right back on it. But yeah, you cannot set your clock to it. It's not a real sport. And look man, we talk about all the time the quality I get. A lot of people have a lot of uh the pageantry right, I get it pageantry.
Speaker 1:It's the pride of your university. It's what you did on saturdays when you were in college. But if you're gonna sit here and tell me that that's good football, like you're out of your mind college, and that extends and that extends to college basketball as well too, by the by the way. Oh without question.
Speaker 2:Disaster. College football is hilarious. If we see something we think is funny, we'll call it out here. Oh no, catch up. That's how we're going to talk about college ball. All right, let's get to the pros. Man, the big boys, they have enough problems getting shit done. We see what's going on in Cleveland. Let's talk about the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1:Come on, man, hey, hey look, I know it's gotten real quiet last couple weeks. All the people saying Bears made a mistake, huh.
Speaker 2:Hey, I understand it's against the Panthers 36-10, though they smashed those boys. 20 of 29,. 3-0-4,. Two touchdowns, Bears win 36-10, now 3-2. Protecting the home field 3-. Two touchdowns, Bears win 36-10, now 3-2. Protecting the home field 3-0 at the crib. Big Nick, the Quick Couple takeaways, Talk to me.
Speaker 1:There's only one takeaway that matters for me. I called you right after the second DJ Moore touchdown, which was a high, high, high-level ball. Right, you guys hear us talk about this. We always talk about high-level throws. Right, a lot of guys can make the wide-open throw, the easy throw that looks good. We talk about high-level throws. That's what Caleb Williams had on the touchdown of DJ Moore last week, which I saw live in the building, and the touchdown yesterday to DJ Moore.
Speaker 1:Caleb Williams is here. Hey, listen, first couple games he had to get used to the speed. People were on his ass. The play calling was brutal, right, they didn't know what they were doing. Last three weeks now that he's settled in right, culminating in yesterday, hey, we're good man. Like I've seen what I need to see and I feel confident in saying this. Like I never said this with Mitch, I never said this with Justin, right, like with Justin there'd be flashes and things like that. But the throwing of the football and different things that we really look for for a guy to be elite ball placement, like we always talk about, it's there. The confidence is there. I said it yesterday Guy loves ball, right, caleb loves ball what makes you say that?
Speaker 2:Why do you say that? Why did you say that when you texted me that?
Speaker 1:Because he enjoys it. He just enjoys it, man. We talk about it with Mahomes too. Like some of these guys just love going out there and competing and playing ball. Caleb loves it. Like I know people were giving him shit last week about dancing into the tunnel and doing all that. The guy loves ball. He likes winning football games. He likes being good at football. You listen to him talk. I think he's got the leadership down pat. You can tell the guys respect him Now that he's on the same page as DJ Moore. They're making beautiful music. We're good man. I've seen everything I need to see. I'm good, we're here, we're here. So, yeah, I think he loves ball. I think he's a competitor.
Speaker 1:I think we had a lot of misconceptions about him probably coming in, just kind of based off the persona, and he was the first of kind of like the big-time NIL guys. So, oh, is this guy going to be a diva? Is he a prima donna? How is he going to fit into an NFL locker room? I think it's all good. Man, like I'm sold. I'm ready. We got a quarterback, that's all that matters, and we got a defense. You give me those two things. We're ready to go. It's Carolina. Whatever man Carolina sucks, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is he's making these throws against NFL defenses and shout out Waldron to some extent for understanding that, hey, I need to change what I'm doing to better fit what these guys do well, and it sounds like they had a conversation a couple weeks ago with Waldron and those changes have been made. It sounds like Caleb was a big part of that. So look, man, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that. That was good to hear Like, hey man, what the fuck?
Speaker 1:are you doing?
Speaker 2:What are we doing, man? Let's get together and figure out. Hey, shane Waldron, let's get together and figure out what we think will be effective on a week-to-week, possession-to-possession, play-to-play basis, because when the offensive coordinator and the quarterback especially for a young guy in offense isn't aligned, it really goes awry. Because a perfect example is it goes awry when you're a veteran and a guy like Aaron Rodgers and Nathaniel Hackett aren't aligned and he believes that things are being called that shouldn't be called, the frustration shines through. The offense looks stagnant. So, yeah, when I heard that Caleb and Allen and DJ and the rest of the guys got together, I was encouraged by that. Also, we talked about a lot of people owe DeAndre Swift an apology. I mentioned this week one, week two DeAndre Swift is not a guy you run between the tackles Period. Get the guy in space and he will make an impact. That's what he does. Get him out on the edge. He will make an impact and that's what he's done the last couple weeks.
Speaker 2:The usage of DeAndre Swift from Waldron has been a lot better. To go through some of these team stats over here four red zone possessions, three touchdowns that's what we like to talk about when we talk about offense and what we're going to do. Points per drive 2.8. In other words, we were getting the ball, we were scoring, at least putting up three Offensively. They just looked a lot better. And I know that Carolina is a bad football team and andy dalton is probably got too much love for being a bump coming off of bryce young, but bryce young had been that bad. That was always a really good spot for the bears to get a w, and they didn't just get a w nick, they, they, they buried him.
Speaker 1:They smacked these boys around.
Speaker 2:Yes. Also, I don't know if Jaquan Brisker got rocks in his helmet or in his shoulder pads, but there are certain guys in the league that when they come downhill and hit people, it looks and feels different. What he did to that boy on Carolina yesterday treble lord, have mercy. It looked like a prize fight and I hate to glorify the hit because my man was out cold. It looked like a prize fight, nick. It looked like he caught a right hook to the jaw. He went out, lights were completely blacked out and he dropped the ball immediately. Brisker hopped up, takes his helmet off and he's got the orange shysty on. He is just a menace, bro. Yeah, there is a lot of dogs in that secondary and on that defense, tremaine Edmonds played awesome. Kyler Gordon 6-9. Watch out for those boys. Brisker and Gordon are. No, they are not guys to play with. They're not guys to play with. Tyreek Stevenson, tj Edwards yeah, monster.
Speaker 1:Hey.
Speaker 2:Dexter.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's, great.
Speaker 2:What he's doing inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dexter, oh, he's great what he's doing inside. Yeah, dexter is awesome.
Speaker 2:He moving boys around.
Speaker 1:And a lot of people thought we should have taken Jalen Carter in that spot. I think we ended up getting Dexter and what? The second round. This guy is, this guy is all pro, he's awesome, he is yeah, he's awesome Lights out. The defense is playing lights out. They have been every single week. If you give them a chance, you don't leave them on the field too long, which is one of the problems that the offense had. But yeah, it's been a complete turnaround and you see Caleb get into the groove and now you're starting to see the talent show through, right Like we knew it was there Even in the beginning.
Speaker 1:We were seeing things where it's like man, if he just gets the time, he's got the right idea. But he was running around out there. Man, look, I've said it a million times no quarterback can throw the football from their back and no one's good at running around like that when you're constantly facing pressure. The protection has gotten better. They're doing this thing where they're shifting around the line a lot and bringing guys in and out, and I guess that's working. I guess it's lineman by committee almost is what the Bears are doing right now.
Speaker 1:Obviously, that right now, obviously that's not a long-term solution and your number one priority in the offseason should be acquiring offensive linemen to protect caleb williams, because when you have a quarterback, the number one responsibility you have to him is to protect them. I talk about this every single week. You build the football team from the trenches. While I like shiny toys, I love receivers, I love running backs, they can't do anything if your guy can't get them the ball, and he can't get them the ball if he's on his ass. So obviously you still need to address that. Don't trick yourself into thinking that it's okay. Ask Joe Burrow about that.
Speaker 1:Right, you let the offensive line problems linger for too long. You run into a lot of issues, but, man, overall, like I'm feeling good about the direction of the team, I still want to fire Matt Eberflus, but or Matt Eberflus, but I'm feeling good, man, I mean we got a quarterback. That's what it really comes down to. I know it's only been five games, but I don't know. I'm interested to know where you are with that. Have you seen what you need to see?
Speaker 2:What with Caleb? Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's just a lot of high-level stuff that he's doing, for how early it is, like the touchdown to DJ Moore. If you go back and watch it from the snap, he immediately he moved the safety from the left hash where, exactly where he put the ball for DJ Moore moved him almost damn near to the numbers on the right side Talk about the play completely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he, that was high level and I think this is actually a really good example. And Collinsworth brought this up yesterday. Justin Fields, who we know we're rooting for and we love the kid and we hope he continues to ball in Pittsburgh and he didn't play that well last night but continues to play really well and gets a new deal because he's up for a contract and we hope that that's the case. But like there was a couple throws yesterday, especially on balls up the seam where Justin Fields is throwing line drives, he's putting heat on balls but Caleb looks right, moves the safety, comes back left and just a little air, just a little dime. Just put a little air on it. Let DJ because DJ is going to beat the guy one-on-one and let DJ go up and two-hand catch it at a high point for six.
Speaker 2:If you drop back and try to fire that in there which Justin Fields tended to do and did a few times last night on Sunday Night Football against the Cowboys you have to put it just so perfectly it's a lot tougher. There's just a lot more room for error here on this throw and it looks like a dime and it was so touchdown DJ Moore. Dj Moore had two DJ Moore's feet and balance and lower half is so elite. You know how many people catch that first touchdown and run out of bounds. Yeah, I would say 85% of the league catches that post corner and run right out of bounds. He stopped and then came.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2:He stops tiptoes, I'm like, oh, that's a great completion. And then he turned it up for six. I'm like, okay, he's different a little sidearm, sidearm joint to commit, like that.
Speaker 1:That that's. That's improvisation and proposition. Um, you know what I mean? Like the play wasn't there, he moved around a little bit, caught commit there commit takes it up for 20 yards. I still think they need to use call commit more. But hey, listen, man, I'm there's high level shit going on there. For sure, on some of these passes, yeah, and it's processing man like he's not.
Speaker 1:You know, a lot of rookies and younger guys. It's kind of like one read to read. Okay, now what do I do? Right, like he is processing and scanning the field. When he gets that time, um, you know, going to his second, third options on plays bringing it back, like you said, moving the safety. Um, escaping pressure, right, like I think he's still. You said this yesterday. He still has a habit of running backwards, which you cannot do in the nfl.
Speaker 1:Um yeah but yeah, you just can't. The guys are too fast and you're gonna end up that that was fields problem. Justin likes to run backwards but justin's a better athlete than uh, than caleb is, but there's gonna be some stuff you still got to clean up, obviously from a rookie. But man, some of the completions, he's the most talented thrower of the football that we've had, probably ever, outside of our guy Jay Cuddy. Jay Cuddy had a live one.
Speaker 2:Jay Cuddy had a live one he had a live one.
Speaker 1:But as far as, just like you know, in our recent history, you go to Mitch, you go to Justin. Those guys were great athletes but their quarterbacking skills needed to be polished up. This guy is a quarterback. Yeah, I'm just seeing stuff, man, and I can point out several different moments over the last two weeks where it's just like these are the throws that the top guys make.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weeks where it's just like these are the throws that the top guys make. Yeah, no, no doubt. Dj more, eight targets, cole command four targets. I would love to get him more. I would love. I mean, look, we got a lot of weapons now. I mean, look, it's tough to get him involved when, like rome had six targets, keenan had six targets, jill everett had two targets. So if you, if you look at it this way, our number one receiver, caleb, went to our number one receiver, had eight targets. Then between Cole and Everett they had six total targets. Then it went six targets to Rome, six targets to Keenan and then a couple to DeAndre Swift. Like that's balanced. He's moving that joint around.
Speaker 2:The only thing I think the Bears need that's pretty glaring now is we don't get pressure, man. We don't get enough. Not at all. No, we don't get enough pressure, and that was one of the concerns coming into the game. Right, like or not the year, I should say we need another edge. As good as Dexter's playing in the middle, we could really use another edge to complement him and um, use another edge to compliment him and um, why am I blanking on our uh, montez and montez sweat on that other side right. So I think that's the only thing, but not a lot of negatives to say, man, there's a lot of. I'm gonna every monday I always dive into like the, the high level stuff. Pff drops their grades at noon eastern um, I'll jump into.
Speaker 2:Like the NFL premium, by the way, if you're, I don't know how many super analytical heads we have on this pod, but the NFL premium shit is unbelievable. They got the all 22s. Oh my God, dude, you could watch anything. Every Monday. I go back and watch every drop back from Caleb. I go through they. Every drop back from Caleb I go through they got. Completion percentage over expected, they got. I mean, the numbers that you could pull out of this NFL premium are pretty crazy.
Speaker 2:But before we move on from the Bears because we can talk about them all day, we know that, hey, be on the lookout man. Chsn they just launched October 1st the new local station. We're going to be doing some stuff with them. We're going to be coming out with a Chicago-only episode, I believe weekly. We're finalizing the details on the paper for that, so stay tuned there. That's exciting stuff. But we're going to have a little separate side show that will be Chicago, all everything only, especially here, with the Bulls coming up. So that will be a lot of fun, but anything else on the bears before we move on. But next, quick go around the league.
Speaker 1:I'm happy man yeah I'm happy. Yeah, good new coach, fire eberflues.
Speaker 2:Yeah still, I don't like that's never that's the thing I don't like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is my thing. On the bears, I was thinking about this yesterday. We keep buying if they're good more time. Yes, that's keep buying more time, like if they go like, if they go like-8 or 10-7, this guy's back. It's going to be hard to fire him. I'm still out on him.
Speaker 1:I know we're going to talk about game management and things like that later. He fails in all those departments. For me Again, great defensive coordinator if his hands are in the defense, I don't know why my man also isn't getting the credit. The defensive coordinator man, what's his name? Credit uh the defensive coordinator. Uh man, what's his name? Lice can do. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, eric washington, something like that young boy? No, he's not young, he's an old dude oh, who am I talking about?
Speaker 2:eric washington. Yeah, that's it, eric washington. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah birthday's october.
Speaker 1:Birthday's october 29th. I just looked it up here. Shout out him same birthday as me. But the defense is playing well, man, man, he's not getting any credit. They're making it seem like Ibraflux is doing this. So, yeah, shout out to him, man, because the defense is playing well. Yeah, no doubt, but fire Ibraflux.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, come on, that shit's not changing either, because I think but last point, on that I don't want to talk negative because they're playing well he's the head coach, right For sure. Yeah, I think I can speak for Nick in saying this. We're always thinking big picture. We're always thinking how can we save games and seasons and progress this a little faster.
Speaker 2:In my opinion, Matt Eberflus isn't the real guy long-term. No, he has proven that to me already. So the fact that we could be in a situation where he is the coach for another two full seasons perturbs me a little bit. Yeah, so that was why it was such a big deal to move off of him for me last year, because I'm thinking about the Bears actually competing for the NFC and getting and getting that type of motion. He's not the guy, just like Mike McCarthy's not the guy for the Cowboys. They should move off him. There's certain guys in the league that I think we've seen enough of that aren't the guys that could take you to the promised land and you want to be confident in your coach. In that sense, we could clean up different things here, because I believe this guy can take us to the promised land. That's the negativity that I us to the promised land and competing year in, year out in NFC championship-type games and hosting playoff games at Soldier Field. Let's move on. Good guy, great guy.
Speaker 1:Players love him, you can tell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great guy, great guy. Let's move on to some more coaching mishaps and let's start with the Buffalo Bills, one of the marquee games of the day yesterday. First of all, that, that hey, that early slate nick. That shit was out of hand. Bears got a big ass w cincinnati baltimore you didn't watch that game.
Speaker 1:Go ahead and rewatch that game. Go ahead and rewatch it Everything that could happen, did happen in that game.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean the funny thing about the while I get sidetracked, of course, the play of the year.
Speaker 2:People so far are saying I always think it's funny when the play of the year Lamar Jackson, that's crazy Gets the ball runs around, does all types of shit, throws a touchdown pass. But I always think it's funny, gets the ball runs around, does all types of shit, throws a touchdown pass. But I always think it's funny when the the play of the year is caused by the person that's making the play of the year. Lamar just flat out drops the shotgun snap, he drops it on the ground, he picks it up and then makes the play of the year. How about we just don't make the play of the year and we catch the snap clean and get things rolling that way? Because later on in the game lamar drops another shotgun snap, which almost cost them the game and probably should have, because then the center or the, the, the holder, drops the snap and since he can't kick the field goal but the, yeah, the. The one o'clock window was crazy, one of those ridiculous games you'll ever see.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go back and watch the the high-end highlights if you don't want to, or the condensed replay yeah, the 1 o'clock window was crazy.
Speaker 2:One of the most ridiculous games you'll ever see. Yeah, go back and watch the high-end highlights or the condensed replay of Cincinnati and Baltimore if you don't want to watch the full thing. But yeah, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1:And it's a cross-off game for Cincinnati, unfortunately. Yeah, it's true, they're done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're in dire straits.
Speaker 1:They're 0-3 at home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's Baltimore, new England. Who's the third? Oh yeah, and Washington Cracked them on national TV.
Speaker 1:They lost to New England and Washington at home. That's not good. Yeah, I don't know how long my man's over there makes it also. Yeah, zach.
Speaker 2:Taylor, yeah, he's probably warm.
Speaker 1:Not good. Yeah, I don't know how long my man's over there makes it also. Yeah, zach.
Speaker 2:Taylor, yeah, he's probably. He's probably warm. All right, speaking of warm, I don't think this guy seats warm. Sean McDermott, but this was absolutely egregious. If you didn't see it last night, you tell cause you watched. I caught it the second time. But this is one of no, because you watched I caught it the second time. But this is on the top of the list for Nick and things that bother him. So talk him through and then we'll talk about coaching and the whole deal.
Speaker 1:Game is 20-20. They end up getting a big stop on the Texans right. I don't think it was three and out but they end up getting a stop back. Stop, Get the ball back. 20-20 with 32 seconds left. Deep, deep in their own territory yeah, they're on like.
Speaker 2:They're on like their own, they're on like the four yard line, yeah they're like deep, deep, deep in your own territory.
Speaker 1:So it's a couple different ways you can play this. I'm not against trying a pass to see what you can do, right, see if maybe you can get a little bit further out there you have josh allen, you have some playmakers, I'm not against that. What they end up doing is proceed to run three straight pass plays, including on second down, going completely empty out of the shotgun. Um, three straight pass plays, three straight incompletions. Mind you, I told you that they had 32 seconds when they got the ball. They they end up punting with 16 seconds. So in three plays in that situation you burn off 16 seconds a clock. Houston still has all of their timeouts, right. So now you end up.
Speaker 2:Now, did that spook them though? Did that spook them?
Speaker 1:It might have, but it might have, but that's fine. I also am not against just playing for overtime in that situation, right?
Speaker 2:My fault.
Speaker 1:At least finish what happened, then we'll talk about it, at least force them to burn a timeout, anyways. So they go ahead. They end up. They burn 16 seconds in three plays in this situation, still have not moved off the four yard line, have not gained a single yard. End up punting right. They punt five yards outside of fairbain's field goal range.
Speaker 1:Houston comes up, runs one play, picks up the five yards, kicks the field goal ball, get, calls a timeout, kick the field goal ball game over 23, 20. We don't even see overtime, right. So yeah, were they maybe spooked because houston had the three timeouts? Sure, but you still have a situation where you can, at that point in time, just play for overtime, then pass it on first down. If it doesn't work, run on the next two downs, burn some clock and at least maybe you picked up four or five yards or something like that, running the ball and you're pinning them a little bit deeper back. Right now they need to pick up 12, 13 yards instead of having to pick five to get it into fair.
Speaker 1:Fair bans field goal range. You do none of that. You run three passes that go absolutely nowhere. Two of them have a chance of getting intercepted and you burn 16 seconds left. You give it back to coleridge. They run one play, kick a field goal, game over shit. Like that. Like again, make a decision right. Like either you're gonna try to go ahead and like get a big play or you're gonna run the clock out and go to overtime knowing that you have josh allen in overtime. You do neither.
Speaker 1:You run three plays that make zero sense, you burn off no time you give them the ball back with the short field and that's that, remember. In that situation you also have the ability that you could get a holding call in the end zone on a safety. Like a lot can go bad in that situation, especially going empty Like a lot can go bad. They got Will Anderson on the other side. They have a good defense over there in Houston. D'amico knows what he's doing. It's just so much could go bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great call out that you can get a hold and then the game's over. Anyway, game's over, game's over if you get a hold in the end zone, if you get a hold in the end zone.
Speaker 1:The game is absolutely over.
Speaker 2:Yeah, intentional grounding Game's over, game's over. A million different.
Speaker 1:None A million different.
Speaker 2:None of them good.
Speaker 1:Run the clock out and go to overtime, like I think again you're asking Josh Allen to drive 96 yards down the field. Really 60 yards down the field to get the field goal? Okay, hold on.
Speaker 2:Because I don't think they were trying to get out to kick a field goal. I think they were spooked that they what?
Speaker 1:were you doing?
Speaker 2:This is just my opinion. They were spooked that they had three timeouts. So this is just my opinion. They were spooked that they had three timeouts, so they wanted to get a first down and then they'd go in and end the game. Right, you threw the ball 30 yards down the field.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 2:First is only 10. First, down is still 10 yards.
Speaker 1:Right, it's still 10 yards, we don't need 30 here.
Speaker 2:like no, no, nothing says that we need 30 here either way, it needs to be a position where josh allen's in third and five at the very least. Then you, with now the texans, have one time out and you then have josh allen where you could roll him out. You could let him potentially do a lot of different things where he could pick up five. You could let him potentially do a lot of different things where he could pick up five yards. You have to probably run the ball on first and second down at the very least and then try to throw it on that and, if not, make them burn the final, and then they have to try to do something without any timeouts, and that is a little different. And hopefully on one of those runs you you can pick up four or five yards and then at least Make it a tougher situation for them, and that situation is massive.
Speaker 2:Four or five yards in that situation is massive.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, it's a misstep, so they need to run one play for five yards, and to your point, though, let's think even further. Had you done that?
Speaker 2:they need to run one play now for 10 or 12 yards, and they only have one timeout to do it Correct, exactly, and that's if Situation becomes 10 times more difficult, and that's if you ended up going with an incompletion on third and five.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not getting a first down? Exactly, exactly, with a running quarterback at that who can pick you up to five yards if you need it.
Speaker 2:And I think it's one of those things, too, where it's like yo, josh, in this helmet. Hey, starting five here, starting six here. If you don't see anything that's going to be a completion, run it. So they have to burn the timeout. Yeah, and slide, just slide, exactly Different things like that Don't go out of bounds, yeah, like just slide.
Speaker 1:Exactly Different things like that.
Speaker 2:Right, don't go out of bounds.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't, don't what you, what you listen, there's a lot of different things that you could do. What you don't do is what they did Exactly. It's that simple. I mean what? What you don't do is what they did. Yeah, of all the things that you can do in situational football and we talk about it, like a lot of these coaches, man, like again McDermott, you're not calling offense, you're not calling defense, right, like that's not what you do. You are managing the game and managing the football game team. So you need to be very sound situationally, like extremely sound situationally. You have to know what to do in that situation.
Speaker 2:You are not a coordinator. So you're saying your job is block management and game management. That's the call up to the, to the OC.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, I don't care what Joe Brady wants to do. Joe, hey, joe, this is what we're doing here.
Speaker 1:Yes, Get creative if you want to but please don't go empty on second down out of shotgun, on second down out of shotgun in our own end zone, so that Josh is getting the snap five yards into his own end. I mean he could Orlovsky it. A million different things could happen in that situation. None of them are good. Nothing. When I saw them go five wide, I said nothing good comes out. There's not a single thing that he's not going to run it from there. You're putting them five yards back from the shotgun, yeah, so what are we doing here? Nothing good is going to come from it. I didn't even need to watch that play to tell you that it wasn't going to be good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, second down, second down.
Speaker 1:What is this, madden? If you asked Madden, he wouldn't have told you to do that. I guarantee you that I remember when Ask Madden, he wouldn't have told you to do that one.
Speaker 2:I guarantee you that I remember when Ask Madden came out. You can press the X and Madden will give you the play. Madden will give you a play.
Speaker 1:He would not say I think we should go empty five wide here, Shit is incredible. Every week we see it. You know I've been on coaching malpractice for a long time. It's getting out of control.
Speaker 2:So that reminds me. I wanted to ask, nick, give me your top traits in a head coach Ranked. What's the number one responsibility of the head coach? Start there. Is it class management? Is it culture?
Speaker 1:It's culture.
Speaker 2:Game management delegation right um, because hold on, let me, let me, let me help you out here, because I believe culture almost seeps in to the, the time management sense of like. Sure, there is no way that we're not gonna run the ball in this spot.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know what's funny man like so, I know, like people, people still giving brady shit, which is crazy. But if you listen to brady on these broadcasts, right, you really start to understand the difference. In every situation he is telling you what you should and shouldn't be doing it and he's calling it right away, right, like so again, if you watch the game they did, he did uh, arizona and um, who the cardinals play yesterday oh, the niners cardinals, niners, right, and he's just going situation by situation by situation, even spots where it's like, okay, we got the three here, don't do anything stupid to jeopardize the three.
Speaker 1:He's been on that all year. When teams get into field goal range, like you can tell that's how belichick would coach them. Hey, we want a touchdown, but we don't want to get ourselves in a situation where we're giving up three, right. So if we have a chance of putting three on the board right here, don't do things to take that away. So, yeah, I think I think that is culture. But it's also your head coach understanding situation. Like I think that that is really important. So, if you're gonna be a, because there's only so many guys who can call plays still right, and who are X and O's guys we talk about Mike Tomlin every week. I tell you every single week he does not pick up the playbook. He does not pick up the playbook. That's not what he does. He doesn't know where it is, he doesn't care about where it is, but he is managing the situation in there. He's managing the situation of football. Andy Reid, we love Andy Reid. When was the last time you think Andy Reid was in a defensive meeting? Ever, a long time ago.
Speaker 1:Does he see Spagnola during the week?
Speaker 2:He says what's up to Spags.
Speaker 1:That's about it, what's up? Spags, chris and those boys, okay, alright, man, see you on Sunday.
Speaker 2:You good, I got you Chris back, so we gonna need need.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need you, don't worry about it, I got you yeah, yeah, but that's delegation, right, you delegate, you have the right people on the right position to help you out. Um, so like that, to me, is extremely important. If you don't, you have to be intelligent, you have to understand situational football, because that's the difference between winning, losing. What have we killed mike mccarthy for for years? On paper, from head coaching record and everything. Mike mccarthy's a good coach on paper until you watch the game and until the situation gets tight and he makes massive blunders all the time. Now he's gotten better the last couple years, but what was it like three or four years ago where he had like four straight weeks where he was just doing shit that just didn't make sense at the end of the game and costing you ball games like that 40, 45 seconds run off the clock for no reason.
Speaker 1:Yeah, delay of games and just all this stupid shit for no reason. That's what happened yesterday. So when you talk about, oh, I don't think McDermott's seat should be hot, well, yes, it should, because that's a game you should have won, or at least put yourself in a position to win, everything you did in the last 32 seconds of that game was taking yourself out of a position to win the football game. So, yeah, you have to understand situations. So it's culture number one. Number two is game management. Number three is delegation. Either you delegate it to yourself to be the play caller, like our boy Mike McDaniel singular out there in Miami, or you do the Mike Tomlin, where you bring in people who do that, but you run the program right, like, come on, man. It's pretty simple. What you can't do is not know what to do in that situation when literally everybody else is watching the game. That's the other thing. We're sitting here watching these games saying what are we doing here?
Speaker 1:Yeah, All we do is watch football, saying what are we doing here?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is always. All we do is watch football.
Speaker 1:All we do is watch football. You haven't put on pads in 20 fucking years, yeah that's true.
Speaker 1:We're not coaches, we're not involved in the game day to day. We watch it every day and it's easy what you're supposed to do in that situation and what you're not supposed to do in that situation. And too often with a lot of these coaches it, and too often with a lot of these coaches, it's just like what are you doing live to play another game, live for overtime? If you got to, like Tom Brady says, don't give up the three. If the three is there, keep the three. Don't do things to take yourself out of field goal range in those situations, and too often you see coaches do it. So, yeah, culture, culture management and delegation. Yeah, clock management.
Speaker 2:I think Clock management is huge. The culture thing is really interesting because I believe that if you have a really strong culture, it bleeds in to a situation like Buffalo. I believe if Brady's head coach, joe Brady's head coach, was Mike Tomlin, he knows he's running the rock because Mike Tomlin would kill him if he didn't. What are you doing? That's the culture.
Speaker 1:That's the culture that's set. You would answer to Mike at the end of that.
Speaker 2:Yes, you would be like what the fuck is going on here, bro.
Speaker 1:Joe, what are we doing?
Speaker 2:So that goes with culture. But yeah, I agree with that. Top three All right, and it doesn't have to be like we talk culture.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to be like warm, like Belichick, notoriously not warm and fuzzy, right, but the culture and the standard was you're here to win and that's why I thought it was funny Remember they asked Brady about that Tampa Bay shit when makers like yeahers are like guys are having fun now and brady goes, I thought winning super bowls was fun yeah, facts, y'all want to have fun talking about y'all.
Speaker 2:What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:I got seven. I got seven pieces of fun right here. Fuck out of my face that's basically.
Speaker 2:That was the translation and I'd have 10 if it wasn't for eli manning and nick falls, so he can't beat those. He couldn't beat those boys, man went to 10 super bowls.
Speaker 1:Super Bowls. So I mean like listen man, like that's fun to me.
Speaker 2:I don't know what y'all want to do.
Speaker 1:You guys want to fucking play beach volleyball? I know that's not what I'm here for. I'm here to win football games and I did that, so yeah.
Speaker 2:Facts there's a lot of stuff going on around the NFL. I mean the Dolphins. They went a close one. They're 2-3. They get Tua back Confirmed.
Speaker 1:I think he's out of the protocol after this week.
Speaker 2:That's interesting, so we'll see.
Speaker 1:Tua's putting it on the line. Baby, he loves ball.
Speaker 2:He loves ball, loves ball. Tua's putting it on the line, loves ball.
Speaker 1:We'll see what happens there. If you're Tua, would you play? Also, why doesn't Tua get the thing? They should make it mandatory that he wears the thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm also hey, I'm wearing the thing too.
Speaker 1:I don't give a fuck, I'm wearing the thing.
Speaker 2:And actually the thing that Nick is talking about for those who are listening is that extra head cover like the helmet. It doesn't look too too bad, but I don't want to go down, you know what looks bad?
Speaker 1:cte looks bad. I'm fucking. I'm wearing the fucking guardian cap. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I mean because they said the number one reason guys aren't wearing it is because of how it looks. But I'm like, listen, all right.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised more guys aren't wearing it yeah, and I heard some rumors that some helmets are just as good. But I mean, extra padding seems like the right thing to do, but I, I can't speak too too much on that because I don't, I don't know for a fact, so I gotta, I gotta, chill on that. Uh, if it was found to be helpful and uh, uh, avoids me getting potential head injuries and it increases the likelihood that it protects my brain, then yeah, I would wear it. Yeah, I'd fucking rock it, like I don't. Yeah, right, so you know, you know how this shit goes, though, it's the societal pressures of things. But yeah, it'd be interesting if the league mandated this shit.
Speaker 1:You think you're getting clowned by your teammates if you show up to the game with that.
Speaker 2:Come on, man, Of course you are Like, people are definitely clowning guys for that type of shit. People in the stands are clowning you all types of shit. Right, yeah, yeah. But dude, the Colts scored 24 points in the fourth. Jaguars come back and win it 37-34. We had the Giants, I guess, lived up. They had a blocked field goal to avoid overtime, but a lot of different things we could talk about. Yeah, no doubt Daniel Jones played well. He's low-key playing, all right.
Speaker 1:He's playing, all right.
Speaker 2:He still sucks.
Speaker 1:He still sucks and you need to move on.
Speaker 2:He's not the long-term answer, but he's playing better.
Speaker 2:There's no doubt about that. We're big holdout guys on this program. We want everyone to get paid, and if you're underpaid, we want you to get more money, and if you are paid, we want you to get more paid. Josh Allen needs to restructure. Go get some more money. He's making like 47. Dak's making 60. Not enough, it's got to be. I'm not getting enough. So Devontae Adams on IG he's posting pictures of Edgar Allen Poe, who wrote the Raven, so people thought that that means he's going to the Ravens. Edgar Allen Poe also said believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see One of my favorite sayings of all time. I think those are words to live by for real.
Speaker 1:Believe nothing of what you hear that's an Edgar Allan Poe situation.
Speaker 2:I believe so. And half of what you see In the internet age these days believe nothing of what you hear, half of what you see In the internet age.
Speaker 1:These days believe nothing of what you hear, half of what you see.
Speaker 2:So if I tell you I'm out because of my hamstring, you probably shouldn't believe that, and if I look like I'm out because of my hamstring, you probably shouldn't believe that either.
Speaker 1:If.
Speaker 2:I look like I'm looking around.
Speaker 1:If I'm Russell Wilson, I'm inactive, but I'm showing up to the game in my shoulder pads. Hey, what was that? By the way? I don't understand. He's inactive but he's in full uniform.
Speaker 2:And did you hear that conversation, that Collinsworth?
Speaker 1:had about Russ. Something's fishy there. I know that's what's up.
Speaker 2:Russell being back and, like we, it was almost like it sounded like he was going to. When he was ready to go, he was going to play for sure. That's kind of how I read what. Yeah, I'll give you the clip.
Speaker 1:They're sick. If they put in Russell over Justin Fields at this point in time, you're 3-2 at Justin Fields. You could have been 4-1. There's no reason to not continue down the Justin Fields path. It always sounded like Tomlin doesn't believe that Russell Wilson's hurt, though there's something fishy going on there, something is going on with that.
Speaker 1:Because he was named a starter and then, a week later, he misses a game and he hasn't suited up since. Well, he suits up. That's the other thing. Why are you in uniform? Remember when Jameis was suspended in the first half and he showed up in uniform and Jimbo. Fisher was like dog, what are you doing?
Speaker 2:I wasn't joking around. Jameis, you're not playing. Jameis showed up to the warm-ups and was throwing the rock around. He was about to start. It's like Jameis, bro, you're not playing.
Speaker 1:Remember they show the conversation when he goes and talks to him and then they show like five minutes later Jameis is in warm-ups.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, jameis is a wild boy. Shout out, jameis, he should be playing. That's a whole other court. But really quick, we're running out of time here. We don't want to go too too much past an hour. But the question is Big Nick the quick, is Dev Adams handling the holdout? The right way? Because I'm on wax on a couple different programs saying by week three or four, devante Adams and Max Crosby are gonna want out of town. Devante does want out of town and Max Crosby just had a press conference after the game saying I got the Raiders tatted on me. If you think I want, I don't want to be here, that's cap. I want to be with the Raiders tatted on me. If you think I don't want to be here, that's cap. I want to be with the Raiders. Free Max for me. I just want him to be in a better spot because man, he's an absolute dog.
Speaker 1:He saw your shit-talking rookies and shit. He said speak up.
Speaker 2:They can't hear you. They can't hear you, bo Bo. They don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Bo Speak up Bo Nix, by the way, just real quick. Bo Nix playing all right.
Speaker 2:Playing. All right, Sean Payton, hey. And he went at Sean Payton like look. He said hey, bro, you saw that.
Speaker 1:Shoot your perksy to get out my fucking face right now, right.
Speaker 2:Like I saw, I didn't play 70 years in college for this, but big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big big big, big out.
Speaker 1:It's for more money. Devontae Adams is not holding out for money, he is holding out to get out of the situation, and that is something I'm never big on. If your contract's right which his contract is right he's one of the highest paid players in the league I got I have an issue with you not playing. I can't tell. I can't sit here and talk about Ben Simmons right and how I feel about him as a human being and, in the same breath, not criticize Devontae Adams for being healthy and just not playing on a good contract. So I understand that he wants to get out of LA. I'm sorry. Where do they play now? Las Vegas, right? I don't blame him for wanting to get out of there. He came over there three years ago to play with Derek Carr. Next thing you know, he's playing with Jeremy Garoppolo and then another year later he's playing with Aiden O'Connell. So I get it, man.
Speaker 1:And for receivers we know Receivers more so than any other position. If you're not catching balls, you're just not doing anything, right. If you're not producing via catches and receiving yards, you are just out there sprinting and doing cardio. So I understand, right, like it's tough for a wide receiver of his level to kind of watch that. But hey, you wanted to get out of there. You got out of Green Bay, you came to Las Vegas. You got a massive deal. We saw your house on the wide receiver show on Netflix. You're living okay.
Speaker 2:Um, you know house is looking great.
Speaker 1:We saw the daughter's birthday party, birthday party was OD, uh, so like, you know what I mean. So I think from a financial standpoint you're fine. So it's okay to go out there and play, while also saying get me the fuck out of here, right. But I do have an issue with guys just not playing when you are being paid. Uh, what's your work? So I'll say that I'm sure you're surprised by that take um, because I usually, again, as the biggest holdout guy in the world I know, listen plenty of guys who I think should currently hold out right now.
Speaker 2:Uh, but he's not one of them yeah, I think your point is well taken. Because you are handsomely paid, there might be a way to go to the org like hey, look, I really want to get out of here. Can you guys help me out with a move? I'm at the end of my career, but you know that shit doesn't work. Man Going up and having that conversation with people typically doesn't work. You got to force people's hands. Salute to James Harden. He's done it for years. Right, that's what it seems like Devontae Adams is trying to do. He's just trying to force their hand. You don't want to move me.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to be here, that's it. But it's different in football. There's only 17 games. The NBA you could. You could fuck around, you could be like James and show up 100 pounds overweight and let the situation play itself out. This is now two straight weeks. The dude's just not not coming to work yeah, and I get it.
Speaker 2:I just wish this was one of those things where preseason, like you, had a whole offseason to kind of do this. We knew, like you knew, coming in, you watched the receiver show.
Speaker 1:He was very. He's been unhappy there since last year. He couldn't hide it on that show. He could not hide how unhappy he was on that show. So that's what.
Speaker 2:I like from like a franchise standpoint. You knew this was going to be an issue, unless you were delusional and thought you were going to be 4-0, which I don't know why. You would think that I guess all franchises are a little delusional in that sense, but this was always going to be an issue that reared its ugly head in the middle of the season, and that's exactly where we are now. You should have just figured out a way to move off Devontante in the offseason, because it was never going to be good, but I do lean your way. Like there, there has to be a way to to get him on the field, but then you also don't want him out there going 50, he seems. He seems up to here with it. I don, bro, get me out of here, or my hamstring is hurt. That's it and that's all.
Speaker 1:I don't blame him for wanting out. I want to be clear on that. But I don't like when you have the deal and all. When we talk about holding out, it's because I'm not making enough money.
Speaker 2:That's a hold out for me.
Speaker 1:This isn't fair. I'm not making enough money. You understand what I'm trying to tell you. Daniel Jones is making $40 million a year, but I'm Sam Darnold and I'm making $10 million a year.
Speaker 2:Sam Darnold should hold out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Sam Darnold should hold out.
Speaker 2:Like that's a guy who, if I'm Sam Darnold this week, I'm like hey, we got 14 days to figure this out.
Speaker 1:Guys, I'm going to Cabo. Here's my number Call me. This is my agent's number Call me. Hey, look, we're playing great. Hey, kevin O'Connell. What's his name? Kevin O'Connell?
Speaker 2:Hey, man, it's been great. Yeah, we're 5-0.
Speaker 1:This is fucking awesome. We just handed it to Aaron. Hey, we're in London. I is a little different, because Daniel Jones is making $40 million and I'm making $10. Hey Kev if you want to see me in a couple weeks.
Speaker 2:if you want to see me in two weeks, I need that paper, bro, leave it in London. I appreciate all the things you've done for me, kev, these last month. I need some more paper man.
Speaker 1:Hey, you know what Me and the wife, we're actually going to fly to Madrid. I At least some more paperback. Hey, you know what? Me and the wife we're actually going to fly to Madrid. I'm going to go catch Vinny and Killian and them boys real quick. So just let me know what we got going on here I need my money.
Speaker 2:You got my number, that's fine.
Speaker 1:If Sam Darnold held out right now. I'd be coming up on the show next week and tell you that's a great business move. That's not the case for Devontae Adams. He shouldn't be doing this, but they also need to trade him. This shit looms over your franchise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I mean, yeah, this is your real first year as a head coach. You just don't want that situation there. It's also a terribly managed franchise, if we're being completely honest, and everything they've done since they moved to Vegas I thought they never should have moved off. Moving off a Derek Carr for Jimmy Garoppolo was asinine to me. You went from Derek Carr to a poor man's Derek Carr, which isn't even possible. But you know what I mean. Shout out Jimmy. Shout out Jimmy G. You know what I'm talking about. Epic check getter, the best Check getter, jimmy G. Nice guy man. I kicked you with Jimmy G a couple times. Yeah, I know that's your guy, but five-star general of check getting the.
Speaker 1:Dwight Eisenhower of check getting.
Speaker 2:The George Patton of check getting.
Speaker 1:The Lucy S Grant of check. Getting the Colin Powell of the check.
Speaker 2:The Colin Powell of the check, winston.
Speaker 1:Churchill of the check. Winston Churchill of the check, you understand what I'm trying to tell you. Come on, it's the Castro of getting checks. Yes, I'm available, pay me. Oh my God, maybe that's what we should call that segment. Oh my.
Speaker 2:God, that's so good. Presidential.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so God, that's so good. Presidential, yeah, so listen, I got no problem with him wanting out because it's a bad situation. It's a bad situation for a receiver, but I'm not big on just not showing up to work is not what's up for me. Yeah. Unless you're trying to get a new deal.
Speaker 2:All right, let's get out of here on a couple different things. When it comes to the MLB playoffs Big different things. When it comes to the MLB playoffs Big Nick the Quick man. Look, I'm locked into baseball because I have to be for work. I'm talking about it on the day-to-day. Check out the show man, the Line, True TV. I'm on there daily 6.30.
Speaker 1:Live National we saw the big hey, hey, Shout out to Sean for the big write-up man.
Speaker 2:Little write-up.
Speaker 1:No, that's a good write-up.
Speaker 2:Sean and.
Speaker 1:Doyle got a and it wasn't a fluff write-up too. I read it, man. They actually knew what they were talking about Said you and Doyle are betting guys who just happen to be on TV, which I think I've talked to you about this before, a lot of these, I'm not going to. People didn't place a bet until like six or seven months ago.
Speaker 1:you can tell you're out here giving out, you're out here giving out minus 350s and things of that nature, um, but yeah, I think it does, but yes, a lot of a lot, a lot of tomfoolery out there, but, um, it's very clear that you know you guys know your stuff, man, so it's dope to see you get some recognition for that man. So, yeah, definitely check out the line.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that man. Yeah, it was cool to get organic Like no one paid, Because I even hollered at the folks at TNT Sports. I was like man who paid this dude to write this, and I actually reached out to dude to say thank you and he was like, yeah, I like the show, man, I watch it from time to time and I didn't see any. No one had really talked about it too too much so I figured you guys deserved a write-up. It's a good, fun show. So, yeah, check it out. True TV 630.
Speaker 1:So that's what I'm saying, Going off our last conversation. If you didn't show up to work tomorrow, it's a holdout.
Speaker 2:Yeah, correct, correct, but I'll be there, I'm just playing.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do that. I'm happy, I'm All right.
Speaker 2:let's talk about playoff baseball, because this is the type of playoff baseball I love. I'm locked in because I need to be for work All the way. Locked in. First of all, the matchups are elite. This Yankees-Royals is a great matchup. Tigers-guards could be. We'll see what shakes there.
Speaker 2:But the Padres-Dodgers, these players, don't like each other. The franchises don't like each other. The fans don't like each other. They're chirping each other. They even got Shohei Otani throwing the bat after a home run. He never does shit like that. He hit a homer in game. One three-run shot chucked the bat damn near into the dugout. So this is the type of this is what I love. This would bring me back into baseball, this type of baseball where people are chirping, talking and backing it up and, overall, having fun on the field. Fernando Tatis Jr said in the presser. They asked him you know what's too far when it comes to the fans? And he was like honestly, come to the park, have a good time, drink as much as you want, say whatever you want, have a good time. I'll even banter and go back and forth with you. I love that stuff, but don't start throwing shit on the field. That's probably when you cross the line on the field.
Speaker 1:That's probably when you cross the line.
Speaker 2:That shit's always been fucking corny. It's so corny, bro. What is that about?
Speaker 1:It's super the whole pouring a beer on guys like listen man, that shit is lame. A lot of these guys are better people than myself, because I would probably fucking I'd run our test. I'm not even like don't pour. That's so degrading.
Speaker 2:I'm not someone to pour corny as fuck. Yeah, and it's not that serious. The fans fighting in the stands and in the parking lot. Look bro, just chirp and do what you got to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've said this multiple times on Twitter on this pod. First of all, I can go on wax. Me and Nick together are the best fun kosher hecklers in the world today.
Speaker 1:Courtside Bulls Lakers.
Speaker 2:We could heckle, and I can't do it anymore just because I'm more in the media now, but still to this day, me and Nick can go to a game and heckle someone and not swear or anything, and have the entire section with us and we'll get players to interact with us and we haven't gone anywhere close to being out of line at all.
Speaker 1:We have KCP padding his pockets.
Speaker 2:We had KCP talking about his paycheck at the free throw line. Yeah, he was talking to us about his paycheck at the free throw line. Dwight Howard was talking to us at the free throw line about his shoes. So we get it, man. Get the kosher heckling and banter back.
Speaker 1:Why are y'all trying to?
Speaker 2:fight.
Speaker 1:The cursing and the name calling and trying to go over the lines just for laughs. I don't actually hate any of these people. It's corny. I don't have an issue with KCP or Dwight Howard. I would never talk about Dwight Howard, about some of the other allegations out there. I would never do anything like that. You know what I mean. I probably wouldn't go at KCP about that, Brad. He gave up because that's too far. So it's all. Yeah, heckling is fine.
Speaker 2:Dude the Mets-Philly series. Those fans hate each other. They're close in proximity. It has been an absolute war between those guys. You only have to watch after the seventh inning, nothing happens. The whole one through six ever, and then seven through nine are off the chain. So and they banter.
Speaker 1:You see a lot of Mets fans in New.
Speaker 2:York. Are they out there? Yeah, there's a good amount of Mets fans.
Speaker 1:Is it like a White Sox thing, or is there more Mets fans?
Speaker 2:No, there's more Mets fans. It also depends Like if you're up north or in Queens.
Speaker 1:There's methods If you're in Queens, forget about it, right, if you're uptown. If you're uptown, I guess the Bronx is New York but like when I'm at LaGuardia like you don't go to.
Speaker 2:Queens right, like there's no real reason I need to go. No, queens has some really good food. I recently went up to Queens to get some Asian cuisine, but that's about it. I need to get up there more. It's just far man, and I live in Brooklyn so it's harder to get to Queens. There's no trains running, so you've got to cab. It's like there's no. Yeah, it's just a little harder, or you've got to go in the.
Speaker 1:It's an adventure.
Speaker 2:It's an adventure. So yeah, you've got to make some time for it, but I thought it'd be fun. Big Nick the Quick as this new generation comes into baseball, which I love they rocking I'm talking VVS, diamond chains, love it Sparkling Almost blind in the picture, damn near. Yep, they got all types of stuff on. Some dudes Castellanos rocks no shirt under the jersey. Some guys rock shirts. Some guys rock headbands. Bryce Harper rocking the headband. Some dudes rock four-pot chains Lewis.
Speaker 1:Robert rocks like an 80-millimeter fucking Cuban.
Speaker 2:The Cuban heavy boy Pantera La Pantera.
Speaker 1:Pantera.
Speaker 2:So I figured I would ask Nick, if you were a ball player, what would you wear? Would you wear a ball player? What would you wear? Would you wear three, four chains? Would you wear your pants?
Speaker 1:low pulled up?
Speaker 2:Is your shit unbuttoned low? Are you wearing a headband? Are?
Speaker 1:you wearing eye black? I'm not wearing the tight pants, I'm doing the baggier pants, I'm doing the Manny Ramirez joints.
Speaker 2:The Manny Ramirez joints. The man-ram joints Shut up, manny bro Manny's a one-on-one Shut up, manny bro.
Speaker 1:Hey, manny would bring me back to baseball. I watch Manny every day.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this If there's one guy that I haven't heard of, heard from, but I know he's enjoying retirement, it's Manny Ramirez. Manny Ramirez, remember when they tried?
Speaker 1:to ask Manny Ramirez about. I can guarantee you, like he didn't speak English, this guy is from the Bronx, he's from New York City.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he grew up in New York City. What, oh no, I don't know English Grew up in New York City but it's all good.
Speaker 1:Shout out, manny Ramirez. Yeah, so I'd have the bag of your jeans. My cleat game would be crazy, right, like I think. Now one of the cool things you're seeing on the football field as well is you can pretty much take any pair of shoes and make cleats out of them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So my cleat game would be elite. I'd have a couple Jordan 1 cleats, new colorways, like the whole thing. I'd have some 11s, all that Chains, absolutely probably five or six as much that I could wear that it wouldn't slow me down, but you could tell that the chains are going. My sunglasses would be the multicolored joints. I'd for sure have the dreads with the blonde tips at the end, kind of like Tatis. I'd have the Tatis joints and then I'm having the bandana over it. I'm going to be crazy. If they let me wear a watch, I'm probably wearing a watch too. Remember when Odell was playing in the fucking Hublot?
Speaker 2:or whatever In the Richard.
Speaker 1:Mill, the Richard Miller. Yeah, I have one of those on. Bracelet on the other one, no shirt on under. I definitely have the open chest joint and be tatted like crazy. I would look amazing on the field, absolutely amazing on the field. Would you grow the hair out?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got the tattoos, oh you got the tattoos, oh you got the tattoos. How come you've never grown your hair out ever?
Speaker 1:Your shit's been low for 30 years. It doesn't grow. So what'll happen is so, like during COVID, I didn't get a haircut for like five months. All it does is my hair grows back, like I got my hair cut three days ago and it's already growing back. It'll grow back fast, but then it'll stop growing and it just starts matting. I couldn't get braids or dreads if I wanted to. That's why I can't grow a beard, Like I don't grow hair at all.
Speaker 2:So if you wanted the Tatis, you would get the, you would have to get the Javi Baez joints the extensions, I'd have to get the extendos.
Speaker 1:And they look good too, and they look good too, and they look good too.
Speaker 2:The whole thing would be crazy, bro. My shoe game would be impeccable. You'd have earrings or no earrings, yes.
Speaker 1:You say yes, hey, the big joints when I come up, listen the R Kelly boys Pause, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You better make those. He's the right thing to do. Yeah, listen the R Kelly boys Pause. Yeah, yeah, you better make kills. He's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, big ass joints, dog, I have it all.
Speaker 2:Okay, the KGs, the KGs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the KGs. Oh man, it would be crazy, because baseball is the only sport where you can really get it off like that. You know, like football, yeah you wear the chain, but it's under here. Basketball, you can't wear shit. Baseball like you can really get it off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can really get it off.
Speaker 1:yeah, hey you see all the, even the white dudes out here chains all over the place, everybody yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody does.
Speaker 1:Nobody doesn't like the Spanish cats, though Some of these guys are out of control.
Speaker 2:The Spanish boys is wild Spanish boys. Keep it up in there. Man Cubans are coming deep. Make sure you catch some MLB playoffs. Of course I'll be back this week. I'm going to do another Little Thoughts. I'm going to talk about a couple different things. Be on the lookout for the CHSN Chicago Only feed as well. We'll talk about that coming up here in the next couple of weeks For Big Nick the Quick. I am your host, sean Little. Tell your homie to tell a friend. Subscribe to the pod, share the link, share the YouTube, share the vids Until next time you.