RiverRun 2026, Part 3: "Over Your Dead Body" (w/Keith Jardine)

The dark comedy thriller "Over Your Dead Body" was the Centerpiece screening at the 2026 RiverRun International Film Festival. We had a chance to sit down with actor Keith Jardine, who plays Todd in the film, to talk about his experience working on set with director Jorma Taccone and actors Jason Segel, Samara Weaving, Timothy Olyphont, and Juliette Lewis. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Coming up on this special episode of the Nerdhat podcast, I sat down for an interview with Keith Jardine, who played Todd on the dark comedy Over Your Dead Body, which was the centerpiece film of the River Run International Film Festival. It played on both Wednesday and Thursday during the festival week at both the Haynes Brand Theater and Marketplace Cinema. Will and I got a chance to see it on Wednesday evening, and we met Keith afterwards, and we set up an interview. So we're excited to share that with you. And following the interview with Keith, myself and Will are going to pitch the film, give our review of it, and pitch it to Laura, who did not get a chance to see it. Kind of one of our classic review style episodes that will follow the interview with Keith. Hope you enjoy it, nerds. Nerdy.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

Nostalgic.

SPEAKER_00 0:55

Madly inappropriate. This fizz nerd hat. Nerd hat. I'm with late. Why am I robot?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Nerd haters, I am here with actor, writer, director Keith Jardine. He plays Todd, or played Todd, I guess, past tense, but the movie is currently out in theaters, Over Your Dead Body, played at River Run right before its wide release. And uh Will and I got a chance to see it and uh to meet Keith afterwards. And it's kind of along with a a connect via Michael Morton. It's uh how this interview came about. So Keith, uh, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

Thanks for having me on, man. It was great to meet you guys over there. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

So was uh was this your first time uh in Winston-Salem?

SPEAKER_02 1:41

First time in Winston, Salem. Uh I just got back from New York and and it was great. It was a little uh freezing in uh in New York and uh got a little warm weather in Winston. In fact, I was just chilling around one I all laid down in a park, took my shirt off one one day and just killing time and it was amazing. It's nice. I don't know I don't I don't know why that's important now, but that's what I remember about it.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

I enjoy Winston weather. It's you get all four seasons and none of them are too extreme. It's really nice. Well, cool. Well um so I assume this is also your first time at River Run. Have you have you been to many film festivals over the years?

SPEAKER_02 2:11

Yeah, I had a short film that that I ran through, film festivals. Um we did pretty well, won a lot of awards with that. That led to my feature film. I only did one film festival with that. We went to distribution distribution right away with that one. Um so um I don't know, I still kind of feel like I missed out on on the film festivals on that. I know it was too late to enter, but anyway, I missed out on that. But River Run always popped up. Um I think I considered entering my my feature into that once, but it was a great film festival, it's a great town, like uh getting around the people. Uh it's a real it seems like a real art community there. Everybody's really into the arts there, and I guess they have a real good fun for the arts there. And I think that's why it's such a good local turnout for the film festival. I walked around a lot, I got to see the art district and all that, and I walked in all the stores and and that's what I do when I find a new place. I just walk, man. Like driving around stinks. Nothing better than walking around. I hear that. Yeah. Uh what I thought, Winston Salem. Uh uh, it occurred to me at the end that Winston Salem is is like uh Winston cigarettes, right? Yeah, yeah. RG Rems Tobacco Company. Yeah. All that. So I found the best uh little cigar lounge I I watched Annabelle Draft at um before we did the screening there. Uh it was called Top Leaf Cigar Lounge. Oh yeah, I've heard of it. I had a blast there, it was great.

SPEAKER_01 3:25

Nice, nice. Yeah, I've done a few cigars in my time. Yeah. Mostly just black and mild. So I've I've tried a few of the big ones and not not my speed. I don't know. But I just haven't got the right one, I think. I or I can't afford the the nicer ones. Maybe that's a bigger one.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Nah, like you get you you can get a good cigar for around ten, twelve dollars. Um I don't drink a lot. I barely drink at all. So it's really cool just to hang out in a social environment and do something that's not necessarily bad for you and um and just um yeah, it just be social.

SPEAKER_01 3:53

Yeah, no, I hear that. I hear that. Well, cool. Well, I'm I'm glad you had a good time in in Winston.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

The the theater that we had two screenings, man, they were great, man. Like ruckus, dude. Even um the first screening, I I don't want to disparage anybody, but um, I'm not. Like I said, it's the art community. There was a lot of like older people there. Um like, you know, like like gray, gray haired older people, which is wonderful. But I didn't know if they would appreciate this kind of slasher rowdy kind of fun kind of thing, you know. Like I thought they were there for like serious dramas and all that, but the crowd was just ruckus, man, and and then they got it, man. They laughed all the way through, and I had a heck of an experience with that, man. It was awesome.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Yeah, yeah. I was pleasantly surprised by that myself. Yeah, I didn't know if it'd be the type of film that would play that well at at a festival either. And yeah, everybody enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

And the second screening, the second screening in the theater was it just blew up too, man. So it was great. It was more like regular people going to watch the movies.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Yeah, Zach, Zach and his family do a good job running marketplace over there. They've been doing that for almost 25 years now, I think.

SPEAKER_04 4:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Good local theater. Yeah. Yeah, and I I know they appreciated you making time to be at both QA's. Not too many people uh make it to two QA's. I I know back to back helped out, but yeah, I I know Michael and River and team really appreciated that.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

I'm just really um like you said, I'm a writer-director, and and so I've had my own my own babies. You do everything for that. But but being a part of this film, you know, I'm just I'm just so proud of it. I seen him like ten times in a theater and and it never gets old. And it's because I'm proud of it, like I'm proud to be part of this team, part of this collaboration to make this thing work that has such an effect on audience. I mean, that's art, right? To to really affect an audience. And and like I'm just Yorma's so so amazing that the director, and I'm just so proud to be part of this. Like, like I I just don't want this run to end, you know?

SPEAKER_01 5:38

No, I hear that. So so I know in in just in hearing you share with at the Q ⁇ A, following our screening, and then just doing a bit of research on on your career as well, that you've kind of had two careers, so to speak, more than two jobs, but like you had some time as a MMA fighter, and that sort of led to, if I'm not mistaken, led to your career in acting. Like, do you want to talk a bit about how that how that all went down?

SPEAKER_02 6:06

And yeah, that that that was um I had my biggest fight. I've always considered wanted to be movies. I come from a real small town and movies with like my escapism and always thought about being an actor, you know. I probably didn't think I was good-looking enough or something like that. And then on the reality show, I did the tough two, the season two of the reality show for Ultimate Fighting. One of the producers at Spike said, Hey, you'd be a really great movie, you got a good look. And I was like oh, really? Wow, that's cool. And I started considering it. And then my biggest fight had to be Chuck Liddell and two days afterwards, I was at a small cafe in a small town in New Mexico, and um uh Mark Neville and Brian Taylor were at the same cafe, and and they stopped me when I was leaving and real nervous, like, hey, we just saw your fight last week and whatever. And we got this little movie playing up in Nowakirgy. Uh uh, if you would have mine, would you be interested in reading for something? And it was like like that. Oh, absolutely, I always want to be in movies. So I went out there, they print me out some lines, and um I did a read, and and they liked it, and they um they put me in their movie. They they I read for Terry Cruz's part, and they already had him, but that's what I read for, and so they wrote a uh part in for me, and and that was Gamer with Jerry Butler. The uh Mark and Brian were the writer directors of the crank franchise. And so that's how I got my sad card sad card, and that's how I got my start.

SPEAKER_01 7:18

That's pretty cool. We get to almost out of the gate working with Gerard Butler. That's pretty sweet.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

Yeah, yeah, it was fun, man. It was a blast, man. I was just like like I got I got the bug right away, man. And then then I did some crummy movies and whatever movies, and then uh it led to uh career of stunts and acting and then just acting.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

So yeah, I saw you had kind of a variety there, a decent amount of stunt work uh and some films where you had like both a small part and some stunt work. Obviously, we're a nerdy podcast, we cover a lot of comic book films. I I couldn't help but notice that you were in Logan. What what was that experience like? Uh that was pure that was pure stunts.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Like I did John Wick too, that was more acting. I think I said a couple lines in that and whatever. That that paid the bills as I was trying to become an actor, trying to uh learn the craft and getting respected as an actor. Like the say a few words and do some action really paid the bills for a long time. And that's what Logan. Logan was just not even words, it was just I was just um one of the military gunmen in the back of the truck. I think I almost died a couple times there, but but it was great, man. It was a blast. We were in the I was I was a gunner in the back of a truck, you know, holding a big gun and uh running through the uh woods in Chama, New Mexico, hitting these turns and whatever, and a couple times like nearly missing a tree. One time he slammed on the brakes that he was gonna hit the tree, and I'm just trying to stay on my feet and I'm not actually I'm falling down, getting tossed around in the truck, man. That was that that was a rowdy one for sure. But um Scott Frank is a writer of that, and and he won uh an Oscar for that. And completely unrelated. One of my first big roles was uh um a series regular in the Western Godless, which he wrote and directed, and that's a Western they shot here in New Mexico that was a Netflix Western. Wonderful Western. It was a great story with Jack O'Connell.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

And I I noticed um you also had uh a three-episode stint on Shameless. And uh like I imagine that was well, I wouldn't say I knew what the life was like on the ship, but uh my wife and I have been big fans of um The Bear. So I I saw you at least had one scene with uh Jeremy Allen White. Was he pretty cool to to work with? Yeah, he was amazing.

SPEAKER_02 9:23

Steve, Steve Howie, though. Uh I didn't work with him, but um we got along along the most, man. Like uh you know him. He he's uh uh I don't know how to say it. He was in the interracial couple. Right, right. Yeah, wonderful wonderful human, big guy. He's a big athletic guy. But yeah, we got on really well and um he really took me in and made me feel comfortable on that set. Yeah. That I was proud of that one. That was um one of my first uh real acting bits that was just like no physicality, nothing. It was just I did an audition with a whole bunch of other people and and and I got that bid just for acting.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I was curious, uh something I was thinking about. Now, obviously when you have stunt work or fight scenes, which you certainly do have in Over Your Dead Body, it's kind of a given that your MMA, you know, helps you prepare you for things like that. But were there any other aspects of your MMA training that you felt have informed or helped you in your acting craft?

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Um had a realization once. I'm flying to LA doing auditions all the time, spending all my money trying to meet these casting directors and go to auditions that I barely have a chance to get and and all that. And then I realized that my work ethic, I'm only working on acting when I get an audition. And I learned that like I'm competing with seasoned actors that that's done theater and that's done college and that's been acting since they were kids. And so I need to my learning curve needs to be really steep. I started training for acting like I trained for fighting, where you put time in every day no matter what, um just to get better, just improve your craft every day. Fine. I found uh I joined different uh classes and that kind of stuff. So when I started really putting the work in um th then I started uh harvest those fruits pretty soon after.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, that makes sense. I know along the way I noticed you have had a chance, uh I don't know, I know it varies on sets. Sometimes you're working with the the assistant director or the second unit director, so I know that varies, but I know for a few of your films you worked with people that are like considered, I guess, arturs or artistic filmmakers, quote unquote, you know, people like uh when you worked on Inherent Vice with Paul Thomas Anderson or uh and uh were there any directors and and maybe you learned a little bit from each one that kind of informed or inspired you as you eventually moved into doing that yourself, like yeah, I'm a sponge.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Paul Thomas Anderson, of course, was that was that was my break as far as like now I can always have this, because he don't care about your your history as a fighter and that like he he's a real artist, he's like the director of our time, the Kiro Kirsaw of our time. And um to be selected by him and put in his movie and all that was was really like like as many actors, almost every actor their bucket list is to be in a Paul Thomas Anderson film. So I got to do that alongside Joaquin Phoenix, and and so that was always something I hang my hat on, and that really elevated my career. I learned from everybody, talking about everybody. Yorma Taconi on Over Your Dead Body was just like I really love the way he runs the set and the way he handles himself and cool under pressure and all that. Uh Joe Carnahan, though, has been a mentor of mine, and I've been on a couple of his his shows and and he helps me with my shows and and all that, but but he's been the biggest mentor of mine, and and and he's he's a true writer, director, man. The way he runs a set, man, he just runs that set and creates an environment that you're just happy to be there playing music, whatever, but then get to work and he expects everybody to know their job and to do work. So it's great, man.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

I imagine you've run into a variety of directors. I mean, some have a reputation of being very much an actor's director and that was Yorma. Yorma, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:54

Yeah, for sure. Well, that's Paul too. Paul, like whatever the whatever's on on the page, you know, like watching him work and all that, like the page is important, but it's also just kind of a guideline, like like let's get to what's real in the moment, and that's what he was all about. And and Yorma was the same way, like let's just figure the scene out. Like we know what the scene wants to be, like I got a f uh a thing on my head to what it looks like. But you get these different actors in playing characters and bringing these characters to life, it's gonna come it's gonna another life is gonna come to this scene, and just to be open to it and still direct it toward where you want to go, but to be open to uh to um letting it come to life on its own.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

So I know in in the QA and I guess we're transitioned fully to talking about over your dead body now. In the QA afterwards you mentioned uh I think if I understood you correctly, uh a moment that you got to improvise with Samara Weaving, one of the the scenes where you had to kind of get up close and personal with her. The boop scene. Yeah, the boop scene.

SPEAKER_02 13:50

Yeah, so if you see this well, a lot of that was improvised. Like um a lot of the actual lot of the things like uh Jason Seagull, Caliche, when he's trying to say in in her copy of her English accent, that was improvised. There's a lot of stuff. Um what was improvised also you mean my boat rocks? One of my favorite sc one of my favorite lines. All that was was improvised, but uh yeah, it was just written. Like I I go down and I take uh Jason to the bathroom, I have dialogue with him, and then with Samara, like I just get close to her and like she says, You're not supposed to touch us, and I'm not touching you. And then the toilet flushes, and you go get Jason out of the bathroom. But um, like that's what Yorma did is like we just played that. He let me play with that, and I turned it into a whole scene where like I'm kind of torturing it, I'm playing with her like she's my little sister, whatever, and I did the boop. I don't know where that came from. But I I was trying to make her laugh, honestly. Like I was trying to get get an emotion from her, and it did it. And she broke one of the I think the first time I did that, she broke and uh I was made my day.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Yeah, and I noticed they they um I'm assuming after you did that they probably maybe put it in later, you had a callback later on, another boot boot later. Nobody put that in. Nice.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

I just did that. Yeah, that's how fun it was, man. We're all just having fun collaborating. And if I you make them laugh at the um video village, you know you're doing a good job.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

No, I I I love a good comedic callback, whether it's in stand-up or or in a film, like yeah, if you're a writer, pull zero to that.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Yeah, right. If you're a writer, there's nothing better than like that thing you wrote earlier. Oh shit, that works here. There's no better feeling than that, man. Right? That thing that I just set up, I didn't know why I was setting it up on page 20, on page 70, like that goes here too. Like, there's no nothing better than that.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

So I know you you've done a bit of writing now yourself, uh, with your short El Paso 1155, and then on your feature, Kill Me Again. Were those your first two screenwriting ventures?

SPEAKER_02 15:41

No, no, I got a lot of screenplays out there. In fact, um one of the screenplays I wrote, I did Kill Me Again, something really contained and lower budget, so that I have the opportunity to direct my other screenplays because people who were interested in it, studios were interested in it, but they're like, Who's gonna direct it? Because it's clearly not gonna be me. So I said, Well, I need to do it because my short wasn't enough. But the short did well enough where people trusted me to to give me a certain amount of money to do uh Kill Me Again. I created that and I want to do it really contains. I thought Groundhog's Day or uh time loop scenario would be great because we were using similar s um settings over and over and over again. And uh I made it from the perspective of a serial killer. It's it's super fun. We got to do a whole episode talking about this, man. I'll talk about this forever, man, but it's a blast, man. It's it's it's fun. It's similar to uh Over Your Dead Body in a way is there's a mash of genres, it's where it's definitely a lot of slasher, but there's also a lot of humor. And like be being in a theater watching people out loud at the jokes and the things that you made, like like there's no better feeling than that. And um, that's what killed me again, is and it's also also deeply dramatic in points.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

I love a good dramedy, and I don't know if Over Your Dead Body I guess sort of some dramedy, but definitely like black dramatic in there as well.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Yeah, if you pay attention to if you pay attention to it, there's a really great it's great couples therapy and there's a gr really great lesson to be learned in in in that film. Yeah, yeah, so yeah. I just it's one of the way I get it out there. Sorry sorry, we gotta get it out there, man, because this is a movie over your dead body that you gotta see in theaters because like to be in part of the communal experience where everybody's laughing and reacting to that movement and just share moment to to share that with other people from the beginning to end, not just like a couple points here or there. And it's something that you'll never forget. It's like when you watched uh something about Mary or I don't know, airplane or something like that. It's like it's one of those you always remember when you're in the theater, the big old Bowski were laughing at this movie, and it's one of those real experiences. It's great, it'll be great on streaming and all that, but you gotta see it in theaters while you can't.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

No, I I agree. I maybe to my shame I haven't seen too many comedies in because I I think I was for too long of the mindset of like, oh, I'm gonna save my ticket money for the big spectacles and uh what about the Napoleon Dynamite.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I'm I'm cutting you off. Like that I thought of another one. When I first saw I never I didn't have no idea what this movie was. I'm gonna watch this Napoleon dynamite in a film. I like to not know what a movie's about and go into a movie, that's why I saw that. Laughing all the way through, man. Like, what an experience, man.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

No, that's a great one. And Nacho Libre too. I guess they made by the same people, both hilarious. Enjoy both of those.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:14

Yeah. I'll just cut you off. What were you saying, man? Oh no, you're fine. You're fine. No, I just I was saying that River Run itself has has kind of helped shift me towards, you know, it's made me more open to going to see like your your just serious dramas, you know, or just a very intimate drama is in the theater or a comedy in the theater, and I found a local movie club that meets at Aperture Cinema once a month. And we talk talk about the movie afterwards. Yeah, I've really come to appreciate that experience. I'm like, I need to broaden my theater horizons here.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I like going to movies where like, okay, I got set up, I'm 20 minutes in, and like, all right, I get it, I know it's gonna happen. There's no twist or whatever. Like, I I get it, I know what it is. Like, like, and that's what a lot of the IP's big movies are, you know. It's just it's more of a spectacle of the the big FX and the action and the actors looking um sexy and all that, but but I like something more gritty and something more real, and especially I like not knowing exactly what's gonna happen. Like over your dead body has what, like four major twists in it, and it's oh shit, oh shit, oh that's what that was. Like I love that, man.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

No, we really enjoyed the Will and I did the the structure where you you introduce these new characters and then it rewinds and shows their how they got there. I I thought that was really cool and well executed too, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 19:32

Yeah. Hard to do a flashback, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:34

So you you mentioned um also in the the Q ⁇ A, just you really enjoyed working with uh I mean with all the actors, but you mentioned a particular uh connection you had with Juliet Lewis. Uh had you all been in a a film before together prior to Over Your Dead Body?

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Uh we were forced to hang out because we we were uh well first of all, we're part of the three villains, me, her and Timothy Olphant, but we were uh trailer neighbors. We we got caught, we got everything at the same time and all that, so it's great. We're forced but she she was like a mother hand, you know, like um wonderful, sweet human. Um yeah, she's not protective over anything as far as she'll talk about any of our movies, any of our history, any of that. But like when we go to theaters or whatever, like or we'd go to dinner, like you know, like social awkwardness, like I gotta go to those dinners and all these actors and producers and all that. I was always like, Where's Juliet? I'm gonna go hang out with her. She was probably like, Who's this creep all socking me? But anyway, that was my comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Yeah, uh obviously her character is not somebody you want to hang out with in real life. Is she kind of like the the opposite of that? I know I know a lot of times it seems people that play villains are often the opposite of their characters in real life, it seems like.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

She's just a funny, smart, caring person. Kind of reminds me of her character in in uh Gilbert Grape i i in in her real life. You talk about how she's in the talking about actors and actors, actor manager, like she just goes for it and and you love that. She she sells her soul to the moment in the scene. And she has no ego and no worrying about how she looks or how she she's presented in this scene. She's gotta say this word in a certain way because it sounds cool. She just goes for it and she believes and and it it's really inspirational and she expects the director to be able to rein her in and direct her towards the right path.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

No, I I really enjoyed the the dynamic between the three of you. I thought it was just hilarious. And your characters, it seemed, were really well defined. You each had unique characteristics and approaches and personalities, and that really came out well. I thought that was cool. You had mentioned also in the Q ⁇ A you took a little bit different approach to your character than you normally do for the I think you said the the heavies that you often play, like but you took a different approach this time around. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Was there anything in particular that inspired that or uh not nothing inspired, it was just um I just kind of approached it way different. And that that's what the opportunity was for me is to approach this guy that's obviously a bad guy. He's in prison and he's probably Aryan and he's part of that. He's got uh, you know, I don't want to say I would give anything away, but he's clearly done some bad things, but yet He's got a mentality of what like a ten year old and um he's something to uh my favorite scene is when uh Juliet comes running over to me like Toddy, who why would anybody do this to him? He was such a great person. That's one of my favorite scenes. But yeah, I just approached it. Yeah, I just went from I just whatever my normal choice would be, I just went opposite of that during the whole thing. Even the way I walk. I walk like a I walk like a juvenile kid.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

So I'm gonna give the listeners a little bit of a spoiler warning here. So hey, if y'all haven't seen it yet, cut it off right here. So I'm gonna ask him a question about something that a little bit of a spoiler, at least for for your character. So hey guys, spoiler warning, spoiler warning. But it but I had to ask because this is just a crazy scene, the stabbing scene that it somehow doesn't kill you, but should have killed you. What was that like with the uh the choreography and and just the prosthetics and just everything that had to go into that? I'm sure a lot of technical details um what was that experience like?

SPEAKER_02 22:59

That that was the easy part for me. I was just I was just taking knives. But the whole thing was uh the whole thing was um 87 North, the guys that did uh AC11, the guys that did uh John Wick and Walletrain and all that, like they're professional fight choreographer core choreographers. They're they're the guys in Hollywood. And this s fight scene that I thought because it's written like the Mr. and Mrs. Smith fight scene where they tear apart the house and all that. I thought we might be doing this for the better part of the week, and we did that for less than a day and a half, which was was amazing. And you watch us because we do a lot of bits, man, and it they found a way to do it and make it look this is the most I've done a lot of fight scenes and obviously done a lot of fight scenes, but this is the one that I'm the most proud of, and the one that sells the best, and it's I don't know how it's funny all the way through, but it is and it's great. So yeah, I'm really proud of this one.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Yeah, that's that's gotta be a difficult line to walk between I mean, obviously this is extreme violence and yet somehow that comedic tone is maintained and oh that was all your mom. I yeah, it's impressive, very impressive, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

Hey, why don't you say this here? Why don't you do this here? Like he completely hands off the fight scene, but like he would all he always say, Oh, it'd be fun if you did this. All these things is great, man. And that was all just him making shit up. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Well, we got just uh a few minutes left here in our time. I don't want to take too much of yours. So we like to finish our uh interviews, uh at least this season. We've been asking a question of all our guests, what's in your nerd hat? Like, is there a TV show, a movie, a novel, comic book, you name it, just something in the realm of arts and entertainment that you're really excited about right now to share? Something that you're not in, I guess, we'll say.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

You know what? The thing that came to my mind, because I watched part of it again last night. I just keep watching Altman's The Long Goodbye over and over and over again. One of those detective Robert Marlowe things, and it was filmed in the 70s, and just something about the way he shot it and the way it's done. The way the the dialogue is like movies now, like when they do dialogue, it's right in your face. But if they're talking over there, like you hear it over there, like you want to bend in to listen to what he's saying. Like, there's something about that movie that I just keep watching over and over and over again. And every time I pick up something different, Robert Alt Altman was a real master. So that that that's been something I've been geeking out on a lot lately.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

Nice. That I'll have to put that on my list. I I've certainly heard of it to my I have not yet caught up with that. So Robert Altman's The Long Goodbye.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Yeah. Nice. Yeah. That's fun. That's a lot of fun. All right. The best ending ever. So it's really subtle, really subtle, but really cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Well, Keith, uh, is there anything else you'd like to plug? Whether it be Instagram, upcoming projects uh before you before you leave. I got a couple movies.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

I got Terminal List coming out and a movie called Edge of Normal coming out, um, with Carlotta Pereda. She did Piggy in a Spanish movie. Kill Me Again is just Keith RD205 on Instagram. Watch Kill Me Again. It's on Tubi and Prime. And I'd love to talk to people about this. Like out, like this is this is my passion. This is this is my all my heart. I probably took two two years off my life making this movie. So so I love to talk about it, man. So watch that movie and let me know what you think.

SPEAKER_01 26:05

Alright. Well, cool. Well, thanks again. And uh yeah, w wish you well with the the rest of the I guess press tour and uh I guess the festival runs over for over your dead body, but I imagine you still got a few junkets you gotta go to.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

I think I'm gonna go to TNA. I think I'm gonna go TNA wrestling. I just that just popped up on my thing. So we'll see. Oh nice. Nice. Yeah. And some horror cons and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

Nice.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Well, cool. All right. Well, thank you so much. And uh have a have a good day. Yep, yep. Great, man. Thank you. What does it mean for something to be nerdy when it comes to the realm of arts and entertainment, which is where we like to live with the Nerdhat podcast? What does it mean for something to be nerdy? Like nostalgia, you know, that's easy to explain, right? It's something like for us as the host that reminds us of our childhood. Or it might be something from our parents' childhood that they watched with us that reminds us of our relationship with our parents, you know, things like that. That's pretty easy to explain. Mildly inappropriate humor? That could be just us having fun with whatever topic we're covering. But what does it mean for something to be nerdy? Does it have to be Marvel or DC in the comic realm? Or you name your your fantasy property? Does it have to fit within those realms, or could it be the latest independent drama that you just are so excited about? Maybe it's a documentary that you watched that has got you excited to get out and make a difference in the world. Who knows? Does it bring out your inner nerd? Does it make you want to share it with other people? Does it inspire you to go and create something similar yourself? That to me is is really what it means to be nerdy. So, you've been listening for the better part of four years to what Laura, myself, and Will, and our guests pull out of our nerd hats. We want to know what's in yours. So, picking back up on May 18th, we're gonna be going back to the hey, let's shake the hat up and pull a random topic out format. So, we need some contributions to the hat. We need to know what you would like us to cover. And maybe you'd be interested in coming on and talking about it with us. Either way, we'd love to know what your ideas are for topics to cover. So hit us up on Patreon, on Instagram, on Facebook, comments on Spotify, on our website. Let us know what you would like us to cover. What's in your node app? Alright, well, let's move on to a feature film. And this was one that both Will and I went to see together. Alright, let's let's watch the trailer real quick here. A few moments later.

SPEAKER_05 29:16

You guys saw that?

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Were you surprised? You guys saw that? Yes, we did.

SPEAKER_05 29:21

You guys saw that?

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah, I was at the festival.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

How long was it?

SPEAKER_01 29:26

Hour and 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 29:27

Was it good?

SPEAKER_01 29:29

It was, actually.

SPEAKER_05 29:30

William, was it good?

SPEAKER_03 29:32

Yes. Lots of cussing. Some some some some man prison booty, but otherwise good.

SPEAKER_05 29:39

Man prison booty? Does someone get raped?

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Well, well, technically I just wanted to save the drop that's almost for the comedy of it.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

Almost?

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Almost. What to talk about? So spoiler warning.

SPEAKER_05 29:56

Man prison booty? I'm sorry. I just heard a Baptist boy say man prison booty, and I really don't know how to feel about that.

SPEAKER_01 30:06

So we should we should talk a little bit about what it's about first.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

I'm sorry. Okay, for one thing. I have seen this trailer.

SPEAKER_01 30:13

Oh, okay. Yeah, it probably popped up on Instagram. Yeah. It was very funny.

SPEAKER_05 30:17

I thought that was his daughter for a minute. Yeah. Confused, because he does.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

He is older and he's about 10 years, supposed to be about 10 years older in the film. In real life, probably maybe a little bit more than 10 years. Well, not much. He's around my age.

SPEAKER_05 30:32

You little bad boys saw this?

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Yes, we did.

SPEAKER_05 30:36

I am so impressed. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

It was very violent.

SPEAKER_05 30:41

Oh, oh, this is the violence. Are we still recording? Yeah. Okay. This is the violent one. Okay. Okay. So guys, tell me please about this. What is happening?

SPEAKER_03 30:54

What is not happening?

SPEAKER_01 30:55

What is happening? So it's about a very dysfunctional married couple. Okay. They retreat to a secluded cabin ostensibly to repair their relationship while each is secretly plotting to murder the other. Apparently. That is the premise.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

That's it.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

I believe the cabin was owned by the man's father. Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

What was so violent about it?

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Oh. Well shotgun. I mean, you you have two people trying to kill each other. Lonmore.

SPEAKER_05 31:26

Did anyone die?

SPEAKER_01 31:28

Lot. Yes. Yes, several several people died.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

Who?

SPEAKER_01 31:31

More than once.

SPEAKER_05 31:32

I want to ruin it. Ruin it for me.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

So let's go through the cast just real quick here, the cast of characters. So you have the main married couple played by Samara Weaving. She plays Lisa. Jason Siegel plays Dan. So Dan is a kind of down on his luck film director who has sunk to the level of just directing commercials, so to speak. At least that's at Samara kind of like when they argue and they attack each other. That's something she's one of her low blows, and then she is an aspiring actress who has mostly gotten roles in like local theater productions and things like that. And that's how we're introduced to them. And we find out fairly early on that he is plotting to kill her up at this cabin because he is just so we don't know all the details yet, but he is just so disillusioned with their marriage and obviously so angry at her. He's just like, I'm just gonna just gonna end it. So he um he has plotted with someone that he was apparently in prison with at one point. Apparently he went to prison for something in his past and made a friend who's uh a little bit creepy, and this friend was willing to help him off his wife.

SPEAKER_05 32:48

No, yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

No, not a very smart friend, but a friend-ish acquaintance from his prison prison days. So he convinces her to come with him to the cabin. She's suspicious, it seems. It was a little unclear to me whether she had like a fully formed plot to kill him beforehand or whether she realized that he might be doing it to her and then formed a plot. I was a little unclear on that point.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

I think that the whole thing was insurance money.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Yeah, there was some insurance money involved. Because he's not, if I remember correctly, he's not good with money. He has like wasted away their sp their savings and he's not doing well in his directing career, so he's not making as much money anymore. He had one like apparently successful feature film that he had produced back in the day.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

But they go to this and they're both kind of comically unsuccessful at killing each other at first, and as they're both failing to kill each other, they're wrestling over a gun at one point, they end up accidentally shooting up into the room above, and they then discover that there are three escaped convicts hiding upstairs because one of them gets shot in the ass. After accidentally killing the friend, by the way. Oh, that's right. Yeah, the the friend who was gonna help her kill him, they were wrestling over the shotgun down in the basement. And they continue to wrestle over that shotgun. They accidentally shoot his friend and kill him, you know. So then they're so shocked by that that at first they're like they kind of stop trying to kill each other for a bit. But then you get these kind of the foils for the film, these three escaped convicts come into the scene. And the structure was pretty cool. Well, I don't know if you liked this, but I liked where like you see these characters come in and then it then it jumps to like it rewinds and then shows you the story from their perspective of like how they got to that point.

SPEAKER_04 34:42

Oh so it does that that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Does that several times and it was pretty seamless, so the editing was really good on that point.

SPEAKER_03 34:48

It was really good because the other way they could have done it is just done all the events as they happened or something, but that would have not made nearly as much sense. It was much better. Oh, new character is the backstory. Okay, back to the present.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

Yeah, and these these three convicts are played by Timothy Olifant, who plays Pete.

SPEAKER_05 35:06

What is his last name?

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Olifant.

SPEAKER_05 35:08

I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

It's an Oliphant, Mr. Food. No.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

What? Isn't that how it's spelled?

SPEAKER_01 35:13

I I think it is actually how it's spelled in Lord of the Rings, if I'm not mistaken. But obviously that name It seems like it would be French. But yeah, I've Oh, that's so fun! I saw him, I saw him most recently in uh the alien television show on Hulu, and he did an excellent job in that. And he also does a really good job in this. He's lovely. He's pretty hilarious. Uh and his also in the office. His compatriots are played by Keith Jardine. We got to meet him after the film wrapped. He has a good chin. He did a good chin. QA. And then Juliet Lewis plays Allegra. Keith plays Todd. So those are the three convicts.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

Oh, wait, wait. I know I don't know her, but Juliet.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Oh, yeah, I'm sure you've seen her in something. Probably young.

SPEAKER_05 35:59

She aged so well. Like that she's looked like that for the last 30 years.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

That part picture. Yeah, and then there's some smaller roles as well. But those were the the main characters, along with the dad. Paul Gilfoil plays uh Dan's father. And uh his his character was hilarious as well. He's kind of an over it guy who's an assisted living but still owns property, owns the cabin. He's had to help Dan out financially multiple times, and he's frustrated with that and frustrated with Dan. You get the idea that he's been kind of hard on Dan. And he's kind of frustrated himself. He misses his days fighting in the I think the Vietnam War, oddly enough, like he won't longs for combat again. So he wishes for combat. Like, I wish for you a war, Dan.

SPEAKER_05 36:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Subsequently it happens.

SPEAKER_05 36:51

So would you watch it again?

SPEAKER_01 36:53

Hmm. Probably. Not a fan of the the hyperviolence necessarily, and it is played for comedy multiple times. So like I have mixed feelings about that. It's very over the top, it matches the tone of the film. It's like it doesn't take you out of the film at all. It's not that you don't expect that to come necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

I was asking Richard if he would watch it again.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Yeah, and I I think I would at some point, under the right circumstances. Like I I was telling her, like, I'm not a church. Not a huge fan of the the hyperviolence, but it's very realistic. Special effects were very well done.

SPEAKER_05 37:33

Okay, so I have a question for Will. Will, would you watch this again? Would you watch it, period?

SPEAKER_03 37:38

The uh yes, the the comedic rape scene.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

There was a comedic rape scene? No.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

And the uncomfortable potentially comedic sex scene I could do without.

SPEAKER_05 37:53

Was it consensual?

SPEAKER_01 37:56

I mean the rape scene, obviously not, but the other one, yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

But I could do without those, but otherwise it was a it was a really fun movie. Yes, I agree with Richard. The hyper violence just does not make me comfortable. It's a fun film.

SPEAKER_01 38:09

Nobody got raped, but it was a there was a near rape, but the potential rapist couldn't get it up, basically. He just wasn't in the middle.

SPEAKER_05 38:20

Who's he?

SPEAKER_03 38:21

Well, he did just get Todd in the crotch with a shotgun, so that might be part of it.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:26

That's what you get. I think that might have been a lot.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

So that's Keith Jardine's character, Todd. He's the rapist?

SPEAKER_04 38:35

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Oh, I I forgot something. Uh Juliet Lewis, she's not actually an escape convict. She she was a prison guard who helped the other two convicts escape because she was an sweet lady. She was in love with Pete, or in lust, maybe to be more accurate.

SPEAKER_05 38:50

Who wouldn't love those teeth with that?

SPEAKER_01 38:53

I think he's just kind of taking advantage of her to get out of prison.

SPEAKER_05 38:57

Wait, okay, so who was who was getting raped?

SPEAKER_01 39:01

So Dan, Jason Singles' character, is gets almost raped.

SPEAKER_05 39:08

Oh no. But they s that's so scary. Yeah, I couldn't watch that.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

They managed to bring some humor in it that didn't feel completely out of place. And obviously he doesn't end up getting raped, but at one point they stop because Timothy Oliphant, you know, who plays Pete. Pete looks over at a poster on the wall, he's like, he sees this film, and I guess it's like an indie film, probably like somewhat obscure, not like a mainstream. He's like, wait, why do you have that poster on the wall? And Jason you know tells him it's like, Why I I directed that movie. He's like, Really? I love that movie. So that kind of pauses it and then something else, I forget what it was, something else ends up interrupting. Or it might have just been that that the other guy couldn't perform.

SPEAKER_05 39:55

He couldn't get an erection. Don't say perform. It's not a ballet.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

We like to dance around it more. It's funnier that way.

SPEAKER_05 40:03

That's weird. It makes it so much worse. Just say erection. Just don't don't make it sound like a ballet. Don't make it sound like the nutcracker.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

So anyway, so yes, that scene was uncomfortable. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 40:18

Um Oh my goodness. Okay, so I have questions. Um I want to know how it ends.

unknown 40:24

Alright.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Spoiler warning, everybody. Yeah. This is currently in theaters, so if you don't want to be spoiled, stop now.

SPEAKER_05 40:31

If you don't want to be spoiled, we are gonna spoil it. Okay, so who dies? Who dies?

SPEAKER_03 40:37

Everybody. Except for two people. Okay, so I guess for two people don't die.

SPEAKER_05 40:43

Is it is it the couple?

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Seriously? They don't survive. So do they make out at the end?

SPEAKER_01 40:50

Sort of. They do they do reconcile. They have reconciled by the end of the film, so it has a quote unquote happy ending.

SPEAKER_05 40:56

Okay, so why did they why did they reconcile? Well, I think it was like it's not a bad as bad as all these ex-convicts.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

This is where it's kind of over the top, is like it took something this serious where they're both trying to kill each other for them to f and then they're then their lives are threatened, then they have a mutual threat, you know, like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Like they have these convicts who are now trying to or at least the potential is there for them to kill them. They're initially just trying to rant to get money out of them.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 41:23

Um, but the threat of being killed is obviously their so they have to band together, and then you see that they actually do care about one another through that they don't want each other to get killed by someone else, even though they feel like killing each other, they don't want someone else to get to the kill. Yeah, I get to kill you baby. Right, right.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

No one else, though.

SPEAKER_01 41:39

But then they they also, like, as they're they're thinking they're about to die by other people's hands, they end up sharing there's actually a couple very uh extremely well-acted by Jason Siegel and Samara Weaving, but like you you believe it in a and it's earned, I think, in the course of the film. Like they share some things that they have been holding back. And like he has his issues, like he tends to be very passive, he has doesn't believe in himself, he's um you know, has a hard time expressing his feelings or asking for things, you know, it's like you get the impression that he was put down by his father a lot growing up, so she's very frustrated with that. Um and then she we find out, spoiler warning, that she has cheated on him with a I think an act fellow actor.

SPEAKER_05 42:27

Does he know that?

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah, he he already knew before That'll do it. So that's part of what drove him to want to kill her. Um Oddly enough, it didn't drive him to want to kill the guy, but that's a guy would kill sorry, no. Um but yeah, so he had has learned of that and she admits that she did that in part because she wanted to get caught. There's she wanted him to fight for them, and he didn't. And eventually he's like, you know what, you're right, I didn't fight for us. Oh so there's like revelations and and they they're like processing what their relationship as they're going through all this. All right, some truth, some truth moms and then they ultimately survive it, due in in part to his dad coming to help them towards the end, and sadly his dad also gets gets killed. Yeah, that sucked.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

Well, he's like a wade or something for a little bit there.

SPEAKER_01 43:23

I think he kind of wanted to in some ways, though, he wanted to go out in battle. So like he gets to come and save the day. Um but yeah, they do eventually survive.

SPEAKER_05 43:34

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 43:35

And uh Will, do you want to tell her tell her about the ending?

SPEAKER_03 43:40

Well they get rescued, but uh Oh you mean okay, Glad's guy who died or the ending ending, like the actual.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Yeah, the very end, like after they're after they get rescued.

SPEAKER_03 43:52

Yes. So they uh probably do a lot of lying, but what actually happened But uh they make a movie based on the events and then that movie generates enough money for them to get out of debt. And uh Jason Siegel's character Dan gets uh this like oh I don't remember his name, but he's one of a famous comedian, but they like jacked him up with all these muscles for the for the Camille Nangiani makes a cameo. I saw him in Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters? Yeah, he was in Ghostbusters, the last Ghostbusters film, wasn't he? Yeah. And I didn't know that he was jacked, so I don't know when that happened.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

So he got he got jacked leading up to the Eternals, like Marvel's the Eternals, because he was in that. Make sure he got jacked, I think, in preparation for that film, and then he's he just liked being in such good shape, he's just stayed that way. Nice. Um yeah, but uh I thought that was hilarious because he's like making a joke out of it because he's like ripped his shirt off. It's not his honey. But he's playing like a you know action hero. Like Dan has written himself, his character as as sort of like a well, the two of them both, like Lisa and Dan get written into it as and then she gets to star as herself in it. And then Dan directs it, and this like revives both well it helps her career take off and it revives his career. But they did leave out the the part where they were trying to kill each other at first.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

And how they killed the uh would-be friend.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Yeah, yeah, that part too. They're they left that part out. Yeah, so it's like they're not completely honorable at the end, but you're sort of rooting for them as well. Okay, you know.

SPEAKER_05 45:51

Well, this has been a lot of fun. I'm slightly disturbed, but I think I I would give it a try. I might fast forward some of the unsavory parts, and sometimes maybe they gruesome parts, because I'm I'm I kinda like gross things.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

I was disturbed too.

SPEAKER_05 46:09

Too much is too much.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

The violence was very realistic and No the what it was very visceral and realistic, like the violence like go through fast forward.

SPEAKER_05 46:20

But yeah, I'd I'd give it a try. I'd give it a try.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

There was a little bit of over the top where like Todd, you know, gets stabbed by both Dan and Lisa Multiple times. I don't know, like almost a dozen times. He's got like knives sticking all out of him, and somehow he he's somehow he's still alive and comes back out and then ends up then he ends up getting shot in the head, or his head gets blown off rather by the by the dad who comes to the rescue. And uh Keith Jardine says he he often in the Q ⁇ A he was talking about how he, you know, he was a former MMA fighter.

SPEAKER_05 46:58

Oh and that's where he got that chin.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

Yeah, like so he often plays, as he put it, the heavy in films, so he doesn't make it.

SPEAKER_05 47:07

If you want to fight Will, we can.

SPEAKER_03 47:12

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05 47:12

Make my day on the I would love to fight you. It would be awesome. Oh my goodness. I was I would just oh man.

SPEAKER_01 47:23

She's been waiting for years for a reason to to fight someone. What? Just try it.

SPEAKER_05 47:28

Just try it. All my pent-up rage, it would be fantastic. Um no, I think I don't have pent up rage.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

I just have uh pent up uh I think your body suppresses it. It's probably it's probably in there, man. You gotta let it out.

SPEAKER_05 47:46

It is. I'm gonna lay down now and no, I think that like No, I think like depending, I don't know. Yeah, sometimes you're born with a chin, sometimes you're not.

SPEAKER_03 47:59

Will you how do you develop a chin after how does that work?

SPEAKER_05 48:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

But like there are types of people who are MMA fighters who all look the same because they all like it might be because their jaw has been broken at some point, maybe I don't know, like but that's true, I'm just guessing.

SPEAKER_05 48:16

Broken noses are very attractive. I don't know. I gotta I gotta think for broken noses.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

No, I just like I just like I just think it's where it's been where it's grown grown back and it's a little crooked. It's like you've been through things.

SPEAKER_05 48:32

No, I don't know. I just think it's a it's nice. Weird at least I don't like feet, Will.

SPEAKER_03 48:40

I don't like feet. Well speaking of feet No, you know what, I'm not gonna share that.

SPEAKER_05 48:49

No, you need to.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

I know someone who has weird feet, and the doctor saw the feet once, and the doctor said those feet are weird. And this person said their pinkies I don't think there's a bone in that. Just like flops around like, don't do that. That's then it would need to have some kind of bone in it. And it and it it curves in weird.

SPEAKER_05 49:18

Oh, that's unfortunate. Well, well, there you go. So this was interesting. Um I'm slightly disturbed, but I enjoyed our time together.

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Together. All right. Well, so that's the that was the centerpiece screening at the River International Film Festival, and it went wide release literally two days later. Uh so now it's in theaters, not necessarily everywhere, but it's you know, it's in quite a few theaters.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

Uh it's now you can be disturbed too.

SPEAKER_01 49:45

Yeah, so folks, you can go see it for yourself if you want to, at a most likely at a theater near you, particularly if you live in a large metropolitan area or a decent-sized city like we do. It's playing at the grand, I think, where we're at, and possibly a couple other places as well. Excellent. So yeah, check it out. All right, now we just thanks for joining us for our River Run retrospective. Stay tuned for the bonus episode where we talk about the films with class elementary age program as well as the Saturday morning cartoons. And we include an interview with Keith Cantrell, who animated, produced, and directed the Monkey Gino film. That's coming up later this week. And then on May 10th, we are going to be resuming our normal bi-weekly schedule with uh pulling crap out of the hat. So look forward to that. When we do that, hopefully the camera will be working. Yes, battery went out. But the audio is still running. So until next time, nerdhatters, fine on live long and prosper.

SPEAKER_05 50:43

Go home, Will.

SPEAKER_01 50:44

Go home, go home, go home to Bonnie G. The Nerdhat podcast was produced in partnership with Nerdhat Productions, which is owned by me, Richard Best. So it's produced by me. Wait, what is this music? Hold on just a second. Let me see if I can find my normal music. Hmm. There we go. Okay, so the Nerdhat Podcast is produced by Nerdhat Productions. Uh I want to give a big thank you to my co-hosts, Will Boyer and Laura Morales. They have been such a big part of the success of this podcast. It would not be possible without them. I mean that sincerely. I would have quit a long damn time ago. Uh thanks also to all of our many collaborators and guests over the years, and most recently Elijah Miller, for giving us a new logo. While I was involved in creating it, I did not do the artwork. He did it, and it was amazing. So, the Note Hype Podcast was recorded by me, Richard Best, and edited by me, Richard Best, with a little bit of assistance from Riverside.fm. I appreciate that program. It has been very helpful for virtual recordings, like on snow days, you know, things like that. You name it. Anyway, I digress. Until next time, nerds, nerdhatters, nerdhets, assorted nerdpersons. Live long and prosper.