Working Caregivers: The Invisible Employees

Breaking the Silence on Caregiver Isolation with Dr. Florence Johnson

• Selma Archer & Zack Demopoulos • Season 1 • Episode 39

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Dr. Florence Johnson joins us for a powerful conversation about the hidden realities of caregiving, the emotional toll so many families carry in silence, and why support systems still fail millions of working caregivers. We unpack the surprising findings from her research, including the cultural and gender differences in asking for help, the financial strain caregivers face, and the critical role community support can play in reducing isolation.

We also talk about respite care, adult day services, employer flexibility, and why caregiving conversations need to happen openly and often. Florence brings both professional insight and deep personal passion to the discussion, sharing practical advice that caregivers can start using right away while reminding us that asking for help is a strength, not a weakness.

Episode Highlights

[1:50] - Florence Johnson joins the conversation and shares the inspiration behind her caregiving research

[2:50] - Surprising study findings about men using caregiving support services more often than women

[5:30] - Why isolation and lack of social support make caregiving even harder

[8:13] - Florence reflects on witnessing caregiving firsthand growing up in her own family

[10:58] - Breaking down the role and value of adult day services for caregivers and families

[15:37] - The financial realities caregivers face while balancing work, healthcare, and family responsibilities

[18:17] - Why caregiver support services remain difficult to access and afford

[20:16] - What employers can do to better support working caregivers in the workplace

[23:43] - Practical first steps caregivers can take to build a stronger support network

[27:55] - Redefining respite care and why caregivers need permission to rest without guilt

[31:36] - Florence shares what’s next in her research and advocacy work for caregivers

[32:47] - A hopeful conversation about the future of caregiver awareness and collective action

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About Dr. Florence Johnson

Florence Johnson, Ph.D., MHA, MSN, CDP is an Assistant Professor and health services nurse scientist at the University of Michigan School of Nursing. With more than 30 years of experience in home care, hospice, dementia care, and healthcare quality improvement, her work focuses on improving support systems for family caregivers—especially Black dementia caregivers—through research, education, and community advocacy.

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Florence Johnson:

Reduce the isolation that goes with caregiving. Make sure your neighbors know that you have someone in your family that you're caregiving for, especially if they have cognitive impairment, because people will leave the house and not know how to give back. Make sure that your police department, your fire department, your neighbors all know that you're taking care of someone who has cognitive impairment. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Asking for help is not a weakness. It's actually a strength. To be able to say, I need help, and I'm going to say something.

Unknown:

Did you know that in 2020 there were 53 million caregivers in the United States, and by 2025, this number is expected to grow to 62, point 5,000,073% of these caregivers also have a job. They are called Working caregivers, and they are invisible because they don't talk about their caregiving challenges. Working caregivers. The Invisible employees is a podcast that will show you how to support working caregivers. Join Selma Archer and Zach demopoulos on the working caregivers the invisible employees podcast as they show you how to support working caregivers.

Zack Demopoulos:

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, from whenever and wherever you are dialing in. We thank you. This is working caregivers, the invisible employees podcast. And my name is Zac demopoulos,

Selma Archer:

and I'm Selma Archer.

Zack Demopoulos:

What's up? Selma, how are you?

Selma Archer:

I am fantastic. How are you, Zach,

Zack Demopoulos:

I'm great. I'm great. We literally have a guest that's exactly between us. You know, I'm on the East Coast, you're on the West Coast, and our guest today is right smack in the middle.

Selma Archer:

Awesome,

Zack Demopoulos:

kind of

Selma Archer:

awesome. Welcome, Doctor Johnson,

Florence Johnson:

thank you so much for having me glad to be right in the middle.

Zack Demopoulos:

Our pleasure, our pleasure.

Selma Archer:

Yeah, well, we're happy to talk to you today. One of the things that raised our interest, where we saw your article, caregiving without a net, and just the title itself is intriguing, so we had to take a dive and take a look at it, and it's just so informative, very well done, thoroughly done, and some interesting findings. So we're going to chat with you about that today. If that's okay with you.

Florence Johnson:

Yes, I'm okay with that. I'm always okay. Thank you so much.

Selma Archer:

Okay, so in your in your article caregiving without a net, you highlight some of the at risk populations in terms of caregiving. What were some of your most interesting findings? What did you not expect to find?

Florence Johnson:

What really surprised me were two patterns that came out of the survey that we asked people. I was surprised to find out that a higher proportion of men reported that they cared for someone that had attended adult day service programs, which is what my focus was in for this study. And although we know that women carry the load of caregiving, we had 11.7% of our male participants say that they had actually taken care of someone who used adult day program services. Just the fact that men led the way to say that they use the services, it suggests that when men are caregiving, they're more apt to ask for help, whereas women feel like I can do this, you know, I have this. And in the black community, Black Women Act there's a syndrome called the super woman syndrome, where they feel like I've got this, I don't need help. Nobody else can take care of my mama, like I can take care of my mama. So it was very surprising to see that men actually use services more. And then the second thing that stuck out to me was that only one in four Hispanic respondents said that they had actually used support services. The adult day service, whereas black and white caregivers, only 7% said that they had used Adult Day Services, which again looks at the diversity. Is there cultural differences between these three groups and what's making it easier for Hispanic caregivers to use these services versus black and white caregivers, which I would have thought it would have been the other way around, that white caregivers would have used it way more than Hispanic caregivers. But it could also show that the. Um, maybe there's some differences with within groups of navigating through these processes. Again, intuitively, I would have thought that white caregivers would be able to navigate the scene a lot easier than the other caregivers.

Selma Archer:

It looked like all of the groups mentioned not having enough support from family and close friends. Can you talk a little bit about that? Why? Why is that the case?

Florence Johnson:

So when I did my dissertation, I had a small focus group, and we looked at that. We looked at social connection, your social network. What we found was that a person may have a huge social network, a lot of siblings in the group, cousins, but the person who's being taken care of usually zones in on one particular child, family member, and it's usually someone that's a nurse or has some kind of health care experience. So when that person zones in on this particular caregiver, everyone else just falls back most of the time. We had a gentleman that talked about taking care of his aunt because she was never married. Didn't have kids, but he had siblings, and he said, When I would reach out to my siblings or my cousins to say, Hey, can you come help me with Auntie while I go run my own errands, he would have to pay them. And he said, I don't get paid. I'm doing this out of love for our aunt. So again, it's not necessarily the amount of people you have around you. I think it all looks at the relationships maybe that people had prior to taking on this caregiving responsibility, as we like to say in our field, being voluntold to be a caregiver for whatever

Selma Archer:

you

Florence Johnson:

ever that you met, you have been voluntold, and everyone else just falls back. The few people that I've talked to where everyone had really chipped in, you know, they come and they relieve the person, or they live out of town and they say, okay, every month, I'll come on this day and stay for a week. Those are really the outliers that I have seen. But I have spoken to several families who have been able to do that. I

Zack Demopoulos:

got so many questions on everything. You've just shared so many, but I'll stick to just a couple. Well, first of all, I'm a male. I'm guilty of not actually asking help when I was caregiving in the beginning, the second go around, I did definitely raise my hand, and I also was the cause of my siblings falling back because I didn't include them. You know, there were some issues there, but that's really interesting research to hear that. And by the way, I have a Greek mother who definitely would agree with women of color say, I've got this don't back away. Back away. What got you started in this kind of work? Dr Johnson and what other type of research do you

Florence Johnson:

do? Oh, wow. This is amazing. Thank you so much for asking that question. When I think back to why I got interested in this work, and actually the research part of it came later. I think back at it now, I was raised by my grandmother. We my sister and I, so as I start to look back, I said, Well, maybe that's where it really started. Me learning about caregiving and the we only had her for a little bit before she passed away, but the things that she instilled in us, I still carry today, my mother was in a near fatal car accident when we were 12 and 14, and when we went to visit her in the hospital, she just was not well taken care of, And then they discharged her home to two young kids, no no home care at the time, no services, no support. So we would take care of her in the morning and then go to school and come back and start it all over again until she got better about a year later. And then fast forward to my adult life, my soon to be husband, his mother was voluntold by her husband to take care of his sister, who, at the time, was diagnosed as being senile, because we didn't have dementia and Alzheimer's at that time,

Zack Demopoulos:

right?

Florence Johnson:

So my Johnny may would take care of her sister in law, Bert all day, then leave to go to work, second shift at the hospital, come back and start it all over again. So not you know, as you're living your life, you don't think about how these things impact you, but obviously they did. And then move closer to me, getting into this work, I had a friend who. Was a nurse for over 40 years. Her mom was having symptoms of dementia. She didn't recognize it. She didn't know where to start to find diagnosis, to find resources. Even though she was a community nurse, she would help other people find things. But she couldn't help herself. So once I was able to get her through the process, I said to myself, you need to go do this on a much bigger level and be able to impact the science and help caregivers, because the caregivers are really the backbone behind our health systems,

Zack Demopoulos:

right? Yeah, 63 million of them out there

Selma Archer:

actually

Florence Johnson:

unpaid, untrained, unsupported, yes,

Zack Demopoulos:

yeah. So also, just to help with our audience, you mentioned adult daycare. Was that part of the help that men would ask for? Or were there other things as well? Or was it mostly adult daycare?

Florence Johnson:

Yeah, we focus mainly an adult day service, and I'll tell you why. When I was going through doing my dissertation, the literature just kept saying, black caregivers don't reach out for help. They don't reach out. I had a few experiences where a gentleman had a grant program in Detroit, and he wanted it to be for black caregivers. He said he could not get one black caregiver to apply. He would go to them and say, Hey, I have this grant. And they say, Oh no, let Johnny next door take it. I don't need it. So I decided when I was finished with my program, I wanted to kind of flip the script and look at support services that are out there, find out. How are you letting black caregivers know that you're there. How are you making it affordable for them? How do you make sure that they can access you? So I chose adult day program because I thought everyone has heard of it, which I find out later is not so true. So I called Adult Day Services and Wayne and Washtenaw County, which is Ann Arbor and Detroit, those are the two big towns I call these facilities as an adult child or someone living with dementia. So this is what we call a secret shopper. So I'm calling asking, Hey, tell me about your program. What do you do? How much does it cost? What are your hours do you provide? What services do you provide? It was really an eye opener to find out that there was so much lack of standardization in Michigan. There's no requirement to be registered. There's no one location where you go to find out where the adult day programs are, and also a lot of them closed after covid, and maybe half of them came back into service. And when I asked the providers, how do people know that you're there, everyone said, word of mouth, and I have to tell you, as a person, I was not even providing care, it would. It took me three or four phone calls at times to reach people. So imagine if you're if I was truly caring for someone who had dementia, how hard that would be to make these calls and have to keep track of who called me back and who didn't call me back, trying to compare and see which site would best fit my needs.

Zack Demopoulos:

Thank you for sharing it. I mean, I ran a home care agency for 13 years. I didn't know what adult day care centers were until I first started working in that business, and I would go and visit so I could promote their services. So I think that was a great example. Last question on this subject, well, actually, more broadly, as you were doing this research and work, was there a particular category of caregiver that you find to be more vulnerable than others, by any chance? And what would be the reason for that?

Florence Johnson:

Well, I would say caregivers in general are vulnerable just because of the work that they do, untrained, unpaid, unsupported, but those who provide care to people living with dementia are especially vulnerable because they it's physical, it's emotional, it's Financial, and sometimes when you have the person living with the caregiver, there's no break. It's 24/7, some of them are what we call sandwich generation. So they're taking care of the person living with dementia, but they're also taking care of a child within the home, and they're still working. So we find that black caregivers and Hispanic caregivers tend to carry the load of that when you think about the fact that black people are twice as likely to be diagnosed with dementia and they're diagnosed later in the disease process, so by the time they get the diagnosis. Is the caregiver has been trying to manage these behaviors and outbursts that they had no term for. They don't know what it is, how to handle it, so the burden is really heavy on the caregivers.

Selma Archer:

You talk in your article, you dedicate a section to talking about financial strain, which is just so enlightening. Can you share a little bit about the tension between the financial strain of having to work at the same time you know the expectations on your job and the expectations of that family

Florence Johnson:

caregiving, especially for our older adults with multiple multiple diagnosis, it's not a short term situation. Most of the time it's long term. I've attended programs where people say I went into it thinking I was just going to be doing this for maybe two or three years. And 20 years later, here I am. There's no off ramp, you know, it's once you once you're in it, you're in it.

Selma Archer:

Yes,

Florence Johnson:

so people who care give they still have to work. There's appointments to be made. Your person might be well for two, three weeks and not have any problems, but then they may have a fall that requires you to now have to start making appointments and going to see specialists, but our system has nothing in place to address that. When you're young and you're having babies, there's time off maternal and paternal leave, but with caregiving for older adults, we can't have we there's no way to predict when that time off is going to be needed. So, um, the caregivers tend to end up paying for all the needs of the person they're caring for, and it's little things that add up to a lot. You know, incontinence pads, personal care things. Maybe co pays for the pharmacy, co pays for the physician. So all these little things add up, and the schedule is so unpredictable that maybe I have to leave work now and take a few days off, and I may not get paid for it, especially if we have people who are working shift work, you may not have enough time to PTO to take the time off. I know you didn't ask me what I'm going to tell you my recommendation. What I would love to see is a family leave that actually addresses this. We need employees, employers to be more flexible with people who are caregiving for their older adults and their families, and we need to make sure that we're providing them the benefits, connecting them to support and community services that can help them stay in the workplace these people they want to work. But what are you going to do with your mom, your uncle, your aunt, if they need help,

Zack Demopoulos:

you mentioned financial gaps that are in the caregiver support system, employers being a little bit more flexible with their late policies. Any other gaps that you're seeing and what would you say is probably the most critical

Florence Johnson:

today. So we talked about adult day program. It's not free. It's not covered by Medicare. Most of the time, if a person has Medicaid, they may have it covered. But what I found with my secret shopper was that one one site said, Oh, we received the grant. So it's free for everyone until the grant runs out. Up to some people were charging $190 an hour to have your family come there. None of that is covered by insurance. So if you basically, we're telling people, this is a respite. You can use this to practice self care, do for yourself, but if I have to pay for that out of pocket, I'm not going to be able to do that. I don't have the resources to be able to do that. So we need, not only state level discussions about this and how do we fix this, we need the federal level to also come in to support these caregivers within the federal landscape. We should have caregivers in Washington being at the table when these discussions are being had, because they're the ones that are going through it, and can give you, for sure, step by step, what they need and what would work for them the best.

Zack Demopoulos:

Just thank you, and just a quick shout out to the National Alliance of caregiving and Jason Resendez, who is on the hill and is trying, he's trying. Dr Johnson, he is he needs more help. But we go to his event every year, and he does a great event. But thank you for sharing that

Selma Archer:

so Dr Johnson, and in turn, in addition to the flexibility that you mentioned that employers can. Certainly help, you know, support their working caregivers. Is there any anything else, any other role that you see employers could play in helping to alleviate some of the conflict, you know, between work and caring?

Florence Johnson:

I think that employers can look at their benefits and see within their benefit package, how can we address this issue for our employees, they can be more flexible with their schedule and not be so punitive against people who have to take the time off, given the opportunity, most people want to work, and if I have been a good, long standing employee, when I need this time, this is not the time for you to hold me, hold me against the wall and say, No, you have to come in no matter what's going on in your family. And that's where this mental health and well being out the poor outcomes happen when people have to choose between going to work and taking care of their family member. Besides the adult day service that we talked about, we don't have anywhere else to bring our older adults if their family members have to work.

Selma Archer:

Well, one of the things that we found, and Zach and I found in our research, is that when people have to make that choice between their job and their loved one, they choose a loved one. They leave the job. So the employer actually is the loser in that situation,

Florence Johnson:

exactly, and I wish they would recognize that.

Zack Demopoulos:

Why do you think that is Dr Johnson? Because I actually, I was on a webinar right before this podcast. They polled employers, and 25% of them, we're providing benefits specifically for elder care, but only 12% of the employees even know about them, you know. So maybe, maybe their situation. So you feel like maybe there's just not enough communication about it, not enough storytelling,

Unknown:

not

Florence Johnson:

enough all of that. Yes, that is so true. When we leave information sharing to word of mouth, we lose a lot of people. Employers have to understand that if you provide a service, a benefit to your employee, employees, it's important that you spread that word for us, seasoned people. We don't look at just the pay, the hourly rate. We start looking at what benefits are being provided. So if you're providing such a great service, celebrate it. Make sure that everybody knows about it. They should be having group meetings with their employees to say, this is the new best thing that we're offering you make sure you're taking advantage of it. That's why we're offering this but during my time working with nursing homes, I found out that leadership has a lot of information, but it rarely trickles down to the frontline staff, and those are the people who need to learn that stuff,

Zack Demopoulos:

yes, and use any method possible, like catchy, catchy titles, like caregiving without a net. I mean, look, I love that. You know when, when someone I saw that we're like, let's find out what this is about, and let's get, let's get the leader over here to talk about it on that subject of employees, let's talk to them. You and Selma just talked about the employer. How about the employee? If there's an employee right now listening to this, who does, who feels like maybe they are without a net, whether they know it or not, what kind of advice would you give them right now, things that they could tangibly do to try to start building that under them.

Florence Johnson:

The first thing I would recommend to anyone who's caregiving, employee, family member, get to know your local area agency on aging. We call them the triple A's. They serve as a free entry point to information about respite, adult day programs, caregiver support groups. They offer financial assistance their programs that will help you modify your home for your loved one. That would be one of the first things they do. They're actually the ones that provide like Meals on Wheels, if people need it. I would also encourage people to talk to their primary care provider. Unfortunately, this should be the first entry into support service when you get that diagnosis. I have been singing the song of we should be connecting people to caregiver navigation. You get the diagnosis. I send you to the social worker. The social worker says, Oh, mom, dad, auntie, this is their diagnosis. Here are some of the resources that can help you. Here are some definitions. Here are some behaviors that you might see. It's a lot right now, but. I'm giving it to you. If you need me again, reach out to me and we can walk through this again, so that caregivers are not out here flailing on their own. We should also have them connecting with caregiver support groups. A lot of them are virtual now, if nothing else, covid taught us how to be flexible and not think that we always have to be in person to get the care that we need. They should also reduce the isolation that goes with caregiving. Make sure your neighbors know that you have someone in your family that you're caregiving for, especially if they have cognitive impairment, because people will leave the house and not know how to give back. We've we've all read stories about someone leaving in the middle of winter without shoes, without clothes, and then we find them in the snow. Same thing in the summertime, they're walking, and they end up, you know, in the woods or maybe in the car with the heat. So make sure that your police department, your fire department, your neighbors, all know that you're taking care of someone who has cognitive impairment. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Asking for help is not a weakness. It's actually a strength. To be able to say, I need help, and I'm going to say something finally, if they're working, they should check out their employee check out their handbook, find out what programs that care the employer offers. Ask about caregiving. Leave way before you need it, so you can be prepared. Is there an employee assistance program that you can tap into and then Is there time for you to sit and talk to people within your business, your office, to find out I don't need it now, but I would like to put a road map out there for when I do need it. So being prepared is half of the battle.

Zack Demopoulos:

You speak like you're talking from lived experiences. That's very that's a very great list of things to start building that net. Thank you for sharing.

Florence Johnson:

Yes, thank you.

Selma Archer:

Just one more, maybe summary question around respite, because it is so critical. And I know during my care journey, my first care journey, it was really, really, very critical for my own mental health, physical well being, just to have that place I could go, you know, for a week or so and step back and just relax and kind of rejuvenate. In your data, it says that the 57% of caregivers have never used respite. That is amazing to me. I mean, even though 30 32% said they'd heard of it, but 57% have never used it. Why do you think that is and how can we change the narrative on that?

Florence Johnson:

I don't think that we're defining respite properly for people. And respite doesn't always mean that you have to go somewhere, or that your person has to go somewhere. So, you know, and in research and in healthcare, we have our terminology that we use, but it doesn't resonate for the lay person. We need to say things such as, Are you overwhelmed? Are you tired? Do you need so even if it's just someone coming to sit with your person while you go take a walk, someone picking up the medications from the pharmacy, so you don't have to figure out how to get your person in the car. I had a co worker who was telling me about the person she care gives for. She says, going to the grocery store is like a whole journey. We have to put the walker in the car, got to put her in the car, and then I have to get there and just reverse. And she says, a lot of times I don't go to the grocery store because I can't with me the little things that other people can do for you to help you. What I did learn in my studies is that if the person you're caregiving for says, I don't want to participate in whatever that respite is, it doesn't happen, because I'm not gonna tell my mama. Oh yeah, you going, Mama's gonna be like, No, I'm not. So it's done. I had a gentleman who put his wife in the most beautiful adult day service. He said it was so wonderful. I wanted to go there. She was there less than two weeks, just causing a ruckus. She wanted her husband. She didn't want any of these people. She threw a tomato in somebody's head. They called him up and said, Come get your wife. I say all this to say, let's not box ourselves in. Think of different ways that you can help your mental health, even if it's just. Being able to just go in your room for five minutes while your person is watching TV. Take advantage of it if your person love to walk before and are still able to make a plan for how are you going to get outdoors and do the walking with that person? Did they like to garden before? So don't automatically say they can't do this anymore, because whatever their illness is, they might be able to sit on the bench right next to you and hand you the bulbs as you're putting it in the ground. Did they like to color? Were they creative? Get some coloring books. Did they like to play cards, even if they don't recognize what an ace of spade is anymore? Just get the cards out there. Get them doing something that they enjoy doing for people who live with cognitive impairment and dementia. They may tell you, Oh no, Selma did not feed me today. She didn't give me a bath today, but they can tell you what happened when they got married 50 years ago. They can tell you what happened when they were in the army with full details. And that's why I love taking care of older adults, because when you sit and listen to them, there is so much knowledge that they bring, and they are brutally honest in their assessment of people. So I said all that to say I'm sorry that. Take whatever. Ask for help. When people offer it, do not turn it down. Yes, you need that help. Take it.

Zack Demopoulos:

Yes, you got a lot of passion, and yes, I love it. What's next for Dr Johnson, what are you working on next? Can you share?

Florence Johnson:

Yes, I am working on connecting with caregivers to find out. Okay, I've done this study now on adult day program. It's supposed to be this wonderful thing. Does that work for you? What would you like to see as a support service? And if you do go to adult if your person goes to adult day service, what do you do with that time? Are you out making extra money or trying to get an extra shift in, or are you using it as a respite to take care of yourself? And we have to encourage our caregivers to take the time to take care of yourself, because imagine if you overwork yourself and you end up in the hospital, what's going to happen with your person. So always think about outcomes of not practicing self care.

Selma Archer:

So based on all of your research findings and your study and the work that you're embarking on now and the work that you've done in the past, what can you leave us with as a message of hope around caregiving. What? Where's the hope? Where's the light?

Florence Johnson:

I know that there's a light at the end of the tunnel, because caregivers, when they organize, they are a force to be reckoned with. And I think that we, I work on lived experiences. I don't want to be in a sterile lab. I want to be in the community. I want to talk to caregivers. I want to co create things that are going to work for them. And when we take that approach, there's always going to be a light, there's always going to be hope. But when we talk to them as if they're out there somewhere, and we're the ones that know better, it will not get better. Okay,

Selma Archer:

so how can one last question, how can people who are listening right now, how can they find out more about what you're doing and what you're planning to do in the future in the care space and get connected with you on some of these initiatives.

Florence Johnson:

Well, I am trying to be better about posting my work on Facebook. I'm told by my children that only old people like us Facebook, but I'm working harder to be better with that. But professionally, I post a lot of my work and my research on LinkedIn, and they can find me just by searching Florence Johnson, also, if people are in the Ann Arbor market, go blue, just look me up on the University of Michigan School of Nursing website.

Selma Archer:

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Dr Johnson, this has been so enlightening and so very helpful. We so thrilled that you joined us today. So thank you.

Florence Johnson:

Thank you for the opportunity. I love talking about my work, and I tell people all the time, no matter what's going on in my life, when I get in front of caregivers and talk about my work, I come alive. We

Zack Demopoulos:

can tell just a little bit we could tell, yeah, just

Selma Archer:

a teensy weensy bit.

Zack Demopoulos:

Thank you. Thank you, Dr, we're looking forward to to more great work from you, because we need, we need validation, unfortunately, right? Even large employers who want to do the right thing, of course, but they also need to see. It see the data, right? So thank you so much for what the work you're doing. Take care.

Florence Johnson:

Thank you so much. Have a great day.

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