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Francesca Koe on Narrative vs. Messaging — and How Stories Shift Power
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If you've ever used "narrative," "messaging," and "communication strategy" as if they meant the same thing, this episode sorts that out fast. Host Pete Altman sits down with Francesca Koe — a communications and advocacy strategist with more than two decades helping movements grow power and win change, now a Program Director with Narrative Initiative — who has led integrated campaigns across climate, oceans, energy, and social justice. Francesca breaks down the layered structure of narrative using a Jaws-and-sharks example that sticks, explains why rigor and resonance are an "and" rather than a trade-off, and makes the case that trusted institutions are having to rethink who gets to be the messenger. She also argues that the work belongs to everyone, not just consultants: as she puts it, "guess who narrative practitioners are? Everyone, we all are." For anyone trying to talk about hard things in a way that actually lands, there's a lot here on landscaping narratives, building local capacity, and meeting people where they are.
Keywords/tags: narrative change, political messaging, communication strategy, advocacy strategy, progressive messaging, narrative initiative, movement building, climate communication, health equity, deep narratives, meta-narrative, framing, asset framing, building power, community organizing, ocean conservation, kelp restoration, The Campaign Strategist, Pete Altman, Francesca Koe
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