Season Predictions Recapped

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SPEAKER_01 0:10

Hello and welcome to Old Castle Rock, the podcast that talks everything, heart and midloty, and we're back for probably our final podcast of the season. Um it's time to look at the predictions, have a wee bit of review of the season, and just a little bit of chat. And again, it's Andy Dixon, and I'm joined by both the Gavins. How are we, chaps?

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Alright, mate, alright. Feeling better this week, I have to admit. I think um it's obviously been a horrible couple of weeks, but I think uh it's still annoying, but I think it's maybe slowly, slowly not starting to make you want to hate the world as as much as it did previously. So I not too bad, mate, not too bad.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Kennedy. Yeah, same as Gav A. Yeah, I saw started to wind down after that. Horrific shabos of the finish, and uh the aftermath is that as well. We could sort of finally start enjoying the summer, even though Amon Soon hit Dunferlin last night, and he'd even know his arc was talking about in the front center.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

So uh well, that's the thing, lads, right? So you say that, and it was all getting just to get getting ourselves nice and settled, and then that panel review show came out on Friday night.

SPEAKER_00 1:29

I've liked it from the memory bags, just don't don't mention it, mate. You'll set you'll set us up all over again, all over again.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Well, that's it. I was gonna say that it came out and then I listened, I actually listened to Scarfs and Scarf's in the funnel about it, and uh to be fair, I was getting myself I was getting myself worked up and I was like, why if why are you generally doing this thing?

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Scarf scarf's nah, scarf was good, like uh Macintosh. Yeah, it was he called it very uh very well actually. Um I I can see where it I can see where they were coming from as well, maybe just to have that little final pod about it, and then maybe try and kind of like look forward a bit, but no, he he called it he called it absolutely spawn, absolutely spawned.

SPEAKER_04 2:17

I don't remember Gavin the last day that you were like to me staring at me going, why the hell are you so relaxed, Gav? Why are you so calm? Um I can't cope with this, blah blah blah. And I've been in a position where I've seen my teams lose leagues, as you know, another team which uh we won't talk about.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

And like we're not comparing it to Kitty football doesn't because I want to look at you guys in a different perspective.

SPEAKER_04 2:41

It's like we're like also big bad hearts were like coming out saying this and that against other teams and the SFA and all that. Uh Liverpool have been doing that as well, and uh you just have to get on and move on with it. Hey, things happen, and you just uh look forward to the season again, eh, because you know it's gonna be good. And that's what I have to say about the situation. It's like hearts will deal with it internally as best he can. I'm sure we will. They'll go for the lawyers and they'll get brought out in the next few weeks or so. Uh there'll be more to come with it, I'm sure. Um it might not go the way we want it to or whatever, but at least we'd be seen to do something, and that's all it's all about. You know what I mean? Club will stick together as always and just concentrate on the football when it comes back again.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

And that's our job as fact, really, just start looking forward to the I get I get I I I do I do get what you're saying, Gab. I think um this football is a very like it is a funny game, like the way that it can control your emotions, but when it controls your emotions, it is for a sort of relatively short, short ish period of time. So, you know, a couple of days or the day of a game, or but because life is life, and life is so difficult, it's so challenging, and there's so much going on, right? It does start to you start to move on, and it start, you know, one week turns into two, turns into three, turns into a month, and it becomes the summer, you go on your holidays, you see the bearns, you go out for a time, and it just it's not that it goes away, but it's I'm not saying it will, you know what I mean? I've just said it's just time to it starts to go away, it starts to go away, and you start to think, listen, we've we were still completely shafted, right? And hearts need to do what they need to do, but I I I get it, no, I get it, I get it.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

So talking of that then, did you see did you listen to the Graham Jones thing? Um Graham Jones obviously um what was your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 4:39

I thought it was quite uh I thought it was quite basic, it was it was it was quite um I mean there was nothing really groundbreaking in in there, and obviously it was interesting to hear his take on the he who shall not be named deal. I thought that was quite interesting how he said he was quite forthright and basically just said that was the only way that we could get him to sign. I thought, listen, that's fair enough, right? He's trying to be open and honest, right? And objectively, you know, if we'd won the league, they could have turned round and said what a master smoke it was, even if he had gone on a left. I think the like you say about optics, you know, it was just the time in so soon after the league and the fact of who the individual player was. And I do think we maybe could have been a little bit better when we announced the original deal, just to maybe frame it a little bit differently. But like Gab says, that's that's gone now as well. I'm kind of over that as well, and um everything else was just quite standard, you know, about the season and and everything like that. So no, I like Jones though. You know, he seems to be working well, McInnes, and he seems to be doing uh doing a good job.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

So long, long made we we hint about obviously thing about Cami as well. Obviously, he's consider still considering his options.

SPEAKER_04 6:05

You know what I mean? Especially if he gets the captaincy as well. I think it's well deserved. He's he's like been in the trenches for us from a start, you know. He's not everyone's cup of tea in terms of his like his ability, but you cannot deny deny his like his like passion for a club, you know what I mean? He uh goes to the pitch, he's an absolute warrior, and that's the type of players you want as a captain and a leader, you know what I mean. So and now he's keeping that level head as well, so it's like he's not loose cannon that he was when he first came either. So you know what I mean? Uh it'd be so good.

SPEAKER_01 6:40

What about then? Did you see the thing today? So Hearts have announced that if you've got a season ticket, you can move your seats, yeah. And basically they've created the graphic, and obviously they had to change the graphic for the original one because they had to take Shankland off it, but they've put a picture with um came with the armband on it. And there's people that have looked at that and think I'm getting basically two plus two equals seven.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

I didn't realise that he who shall not be named was also in the original video for the announcement of the strip. I always heard that on starts, and they had to do some uh digital wizardry to turn them into like a window and a table or something.

SPEAKER_01 7:24

Well, I suppose that they would though, because that's probably been filmed in March. Oh aye. Right, okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

You never seen me staggering about in the background, eh?

SPEAKER_01 7:41

But never I know the problem the problem is they didn't film it when uh on match days when you've sacked it after so long, and it's you just sitting in the tiny arms for the second half. But um I was what was gonna say something else about what was it about? You just totally throw me. There was a wee back there. Nah, you know, that was it really. It was a bit about obviously Jones was the one fronting it. Um do you think Jones was the right man to front it, or do you think that our CEO maybe should have been the person fronting this update, especially because it had been radio silence?

SPEAKER_00 8:21

Or that's a good question, Andy. I would I would I I did find that. I thought there's absolutely nothing wrong with hearing from Jones, but it is interesting because it is usually McKinley. I hadn't really thought about that, but it is usually McKinley that does these sort of quarterly updates. I do wonder if because of McKinley's kind of dual role within the SFA and maybe what's going on just now internally and with the authorities, is they maybe made a decision to do it with Jones instead because maybe McKinley is privy to some information that we're not just now, because I think something will still be going on. I'm not talking about you know the court of arbitration and everything, but I think that investigation is still active, so that's maybe why they've done that. Um you mentioned that actually that's a good point.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Well, my thoughts are that basically that our our chief executive is too busy on these fucking jollies uh at the World Team.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Do you think do you think he's got to choose one or the other in light of what's happening now? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Yes, yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Were you okay with him being in the dual role prior to what happened at the end of the season?

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Probably I probably was, but it's I think it's beginning, I think his position is becoming untenable, uh to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

I do see where you're coming from. I do.

SPEAKER_01 9:48

And at the end of the day, he's now we're in a position where this is all this has all happened. Um and basically we're we're we've got a chief executive that is neutered. We he will not say anything because he's probably too busy thinking about his own career. Yeah, um, and he's away, he's in America. What's that?

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Is he away?

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Is he away with America?

SPEAKER_01 10:12

Yeah, he's in America.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

Is it is he away is he away with the the the boss? He's away. It is an interesting one because I I like yourself prior to the end of the season, I know I I've read a few grumbles from people, even you know, prior to the end of the season about the as Gav says, the the conflict of interests. I I I do see now what you're saying that there's there's so much has happened that it just leaves a bad case. And when McKinley's meant to be fighting the heart's corner and that heart's challenge is against the SFP for clarity about what happened, that does make it very, very difficult for him to be completely impartial to one side or or the other. I wonder if something might happen with his position, actually. Um you're right. No, you're right. I wonder if he might be extra. Is he not after the main job, Andy, anyway, at the SFP?

SPEAKER_01 11:07

I think he is. Yeah, I would say that he is. I think that's all progression, isn't it? He's got his progression.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

I don't I don't mind McKinley though. I'm not I'm not gonna start being derogatory about McKinley just because of this, because I think he has done quite a good job, right, so far.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

He came across well in the QA's of like uh Blue Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

So I I'm not I'm not saying that he maybe has to leave because of this, but I think because of the situation now, he he does maybe need to look at it. It is getting yeah, it is getting a lot of people.

SPEAKER_04 11:40

It just feels too political for me, Gavy, and it's just like you just always in a balance of power now, eh? And like Dicho says, and for me, that's not what hearts need for. If we're gonna be pushing forward to get successful, we need to have someone fighting our corner, and that's not gonna happen with someone on the main part of the SFA board. You know, I mean, that's only statements from the big hearts, etc. You know.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

I wondered initially if having McKinley on the SFA board though was gonna help, because that when he first came in and that happened, right? I thought in terms of transparency, communication, maybe being a buffer between hearts and the SFA, maybe just kind of being a middleman. I thought that might actually help and maybe try to build build relationships and everything. But I I I I don't know if it's a if it's a legacy from the Anne Budge time. Sorry, I know she's still there, but Hearts have always, you know, for quite a long time, Hearts have been quite a quite a nice club, you know, with oh, we'll do this and we'll do that. And if Hearts are going to be rein in the big boy pants under Bloom, right, and taking on Rangers and Celtic, we maybe do need to start acting like a kind of Rangers and Celtic when it comes to statements and clarity, and maybe just throwing a bit of weight around. So aye, aye, and maybe it isn't terrible, mate. Maybe you're right, maybe you're right. I wouldn't think that maybe changes in the summer.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Well, even with the World Cup, and to be fair, I'm actually quite pringy about the World Cup, we'll come on that in a second. But like, even if in the World Cup and I see his big fat face uh sitting in this in the Scotland delegation, I know that it's going to irk me because he's sending out the sporting director. Like, we don't have anyone else that can come is going to come out and say it because he's the chief executive, but he's too busy away over there, and okay, and I get that a lot of the playing staff will be on their holidays and things like that, but these guys will and need to be said they they they gave this, and as Scott Macintosh and Mark Donaldson were saying, they gave this big statement about what was happening, and then it was radio silence. And the next thing we heard was Shanklin left for free, and then basically Graeme Jones came out, not a peek from our from our CEO at all.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

Um would you not think that that maybe then suggests that there is still stuff that's going on then, Andy, that they're maybe just not able to to reveal? Yeah, like that would suggest that but I I I do get I do get that I see where like the you know pick back and that's coming from. If if everything with the investigation has completely stopped, right? Yeah, a little statement just to let us know would actually be welcome. So it says to me that there is something still ongoing, and I'm not talking about you know uh results getting reversed and everything.

SPEAKER_01 14:27

No, I don't think it I think it I think it's to do with it. I think there's probably still things going on in regards to referees and the way that the referees were the way that the referees behaved themselves, um whether whether it was the the one how excited how excited was Dallas, by the way.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

That that was um that was like by the way I know that we kind of go, how long's to go? Oh oh ten seconds, oh yeah. What does it matter? You you can you can you're the referees, you can carry on. Yeah, oh ten seconds to go, oh belly, oh it's a belly, or belly the belly. It's like what are we getting for? I mean, there may be there as well. It doesn't even make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Exactly. Well, this is the thing I didn't understand. This is the thing, right? So the whole Stephen McClain thing, I know we've kind of double backed ourselves a little bit, but I actually had a wee bit more respect for Stephen McLean for taking time and going with his own decision. Now whether it's wrong.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I I I I agree, I I I agree. I was just gonna say that, and I know Macintosh said that as well, Andy, right? But at least, yes, he kind of looked at it and just went with his own call. I I agree with sorry, but I I know what you're gonna say about V just being a sheep, basically.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

I well, basically he didn't well, he basically let VAR referee the game, didn't he? He let V Var refereed that game for him. He basically went with whatever Dallas said in the box, it wasn't a case he barely looked at it, so yeah, it was oh, and that's the thing as well, isn't it? And I think that this is what's obviously about in the way that the referee and standard, but even what happens in regards to what rangers and Celtic have masters at, and I've said this before, is that they're masters of putting the pressure on referees. So they're masters of putting pressures on referees and in regards to decisions that they're made. Now, don't get me wrong, for what things that maybe go through John Beaton's head when he when he's looking at these decisions, because he's obviously had issues with with old firm with fans before. Um but in regards to media statements, their chief executives are out there and they're putting these this this pressure, these these statements in the press, they're putting this out there saying this and that, and hours is away on his jollies, and this is to take it all full circle.

SPEAKER_00 16:42

Yeah, this is when this is when Andy, right, is is I know we're like doing our predictions and that, but uh and scarce side they said this, but this is this is this is an interesting bit, right? I know as fans we will have this chat about our cheats and corruption and that, right? I I don't know whether it's because I'm a bit mellow today, right? But I still am not you know convinced they're on some traitor's pillar, right? Thinking, how can we do hearts over, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:08

No, they're not.

SPEAKER_00 17:09

But when when you are and Macintosh said this, when you are um beating and you've got history with self-dick, right, you're right, and you are put in that position with var officials screaming at you, right? And you're thinking to yourself, maybe subconsciously, right, about the impact, about the issues, about the aggro, about the media the next day, the front to back to the back pages of the papers, the podcasts, right, is family safety. The part of your brain maybe goes, This is easier to give this penalty. And that's when so that's why that's why these referees shouldn't be put into that position by these people that have got well known allegiances into these teams, and that that that's the problem with the referees, right? Uh yeah, no, it's just because it was easier for Beaton to give that. Beaton and Macintosh said this, Beaton should have been maybe no, and he could have watched it, and it'd have taken as long as McLean did. For I would, and he could have said, I don't see this, but I understand the his a brain kind of going, Oh, this is what I so that's why the whole referee and it's a wider conversation about referees, where they're from the geography of referees, blah blah blah. But um I I see your point about McLean though, that a little bit more respect as well. At least you can understand why you maybe did it totally, totally.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah, Kennedy, before we move on to predictions, if you have anything you want to chip in with us?

SPEAKER_04 18:40

Uh it's just really what I'm trying to reiterate about the whole like Liverpool thing because Liverpool thing I went for reference before, like Coote and Darren English in that, eh, who absolutely despised Liverpool and gave like wrong decisions every time we played against the London team and all that, blah blah blah. And that's been well documented by Clot. You know what I mean? Um so we're not feeling team that's gonna that's going through this, you know what I mean. Every team in most leagues will have some sort of thing of uh it's just a it's just the way officials are. Because even like fans like St. Johnson or Gandhi's and stuff, say we get bigger decisions when they come to Tinkastle and stuff like that, eh? Which and the other side of a coin is also true, because sometimes we need to get like penny decisions that we wouldn't normally get, maybe against the South Stucker Rangers, you know what I mean? But we would get it against them, eh? So you can see two sides, you can see sides of the argument, so it does swing around about timing of it, though.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Hey, that's what as right right at the end of the season. So it mattered the most A and that's it. Exactly. Nobody can turn round and say, Oh, it evens itself out. Yes, Hart's got a couple of decisions the game you were at gap right back at IBROX at the start of the season. We were having a laugh because we really got three decisions in one game that was mental to get at IBROX, right, with a handball, um, a goal ruled out for Rangers and a penalty, right? But you know, that's right back in September. This is at the fucking business end of the season, and Celtics got four or five big decisions that all went into their favour. And it was after Martin O'Neill had his quotation marks chat with uh that's another thing, you don't see any you don't see any league where a referee or a manager will go to a referee and have a polite conversation with him.

SPEAKER_04 20:35

He just don't see that at all.

SPEAKER_00 20:37

I'm sure I'm sure referees do talk to like they'll phone them meeting and they'll be like, oh, what happened at the weekend or a ref you?

SPEAKER_04 20:44

Well, like, because you got uh Martin Dale Watson from Livingston, he actually phoned beaten after the Ranger's penalty and he actually apologized to me because he knew he he fed up basically.

SPEAKER_00 20:55

Um there's another example, John Deaton not getting a stone wall penalty, a stone wall penalty for Lovely. But that's so just on that though, so Martin O'Neill has a shot with the Column, right? I don't know, like if we met for a coffee, it wouldn't surprise me, right? Columbine went down to O'Neill's house and they probably watched Elizabeth Lyons DD together, right? But it's like what's actually going on there in terms of O'Neill saying to Column, there's a couple of leaks to go, Willie, we need you to be strong, we need your referees to be strong. Every decision has to be considered, right? Column's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, Martin, no problem. Willie Colum relays that to all the referees, right? Yeah, and then you see that level of decision making just gearing towards Celtic. Again, the only the only time I think there has been cheated is is Ian Brown's Doody McDonald and Andy Davis, right? So sometimes there is definite just like that.

SPEAKER_04 21:54

There could be more than that I can think of, to be fair. I've ever really thought about it, too. You know what I mean? No, but

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Andy Davis was genuinely or Ranger going for the league. Well, that's weird.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

How many players have you seen been sent off for Freud of Bolloway since then? Zero. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Yeah, yeah. But I'm just I'm just gonna say actual, like blatant, like, you know, Pakistan has been sent off on New Year's Day, 2006, by Brides, right? Judy McDonald's not giving um uh Rudy a penalty in the 2006 final when he rounded the goalie and was brought down, and he couldn't wait to get his red card down to send Hartley off as well. Just anyway, but I'm I'm just saying so those referees have gone into those games gap with Willie Collins' words in their ears about being as fair as possible, but bearing in mind it was the Celtic's manager that had spoken to them about it, and that was all in the public domain as well. And like Andy says, that will have a conscious or unconscious impact and bias on these decisions. And until we get foreign referees or completely neutral refs, right? Nothing will tell me that there's never gonna be untoward decisions. Um and hearts are just gonna have to come in a league by being so much better that it doesn't come down to the rest.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Yeah, but anyways, let's let's move on because we are basically we will we weren't gonna talk about it, and we've just spent 20 minutes talking about it. So someone mentioned the kiddle, so let's let's go, let's talk about the shall we do it. Do you want the we'll do the predictions or the awards first? Which one do you want?

SPEAKER_04 23:45

Gavin what awards first, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Okay, um, I'll just go and get that then. So basically, let's have a look through these at the moment. So, where are we? So, the first of all, we the player of the our player of the season award. Um so there was four nominations. Yews gave one each. Actually, I think you gave the same. I don't know if you gave the same one, but I think you both did nominate Claudio Braga. The other ones are Harry Mountain, Cammy Devlin, and Lauren Shankland. And the winner for the Old Castle Rock player of the season is Claudio Brager. So Gavin Flamen and Gavin Kennedy both nominated him. So why would you why did you both nominate him?

SPEAKER_04 24:40

No brader, really, um, especially after uh injuries for Devlin and Jackland, sorry, Ratlin, should I say, um, but you know what I mean? If it wasn't for his injuries, uh, those two players would have been in a shoe in for it as well, to be fair. But um because he was an injured majority of the season, he's played every game, his goal contributions, his contributions to the team. I just think all around he's been a sensational way, so I think he's truly deserves it.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Yep. Um Clyman, anything different for that before we move on?

SPEAKER_00 25:14

No, Gab's got Gav's spot on, he he's just phenomenal. Just uh and even when he's not been scoring or creating Andy, his is his worked rate. Uh and he carried us when um the the bad man was injured as well. So no, he deserves it. He definitely deserves it.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Yeah, that's fine. Um as I say, the other I mean the other ones obviously Harry Mullen's thinking he's been outstanding this season, Devlin and Shankland. I think Shankland would have swept the boards had he not got injured in January. But yeah, I mean can he really argue with that? Uh goal of the season, three nominations. I'll be honest, I wanted to after you nominate somebody nominated Kizzy V. Falkirk versus Kennedy, and then Fleming nominated Bragar versus Kelly, and I was like, I need to pick something else. So I spent myself going through all the goals. Highlights try to pick one, so I went for Kingsley versus Falkirk, but the one art was Kizaridas versus Falkirk. Um so well done to that one. I'm not gonna get you to nominate to justify that one. Gavin Kennedy, to be honest, you'll be I missed that game as well, which it was the worst bit.

SPEAKER_04 26:24

Yeah, I was. I was in my old job, eh? But I had to work everybody two or three Saturdays, eh?

SPEAKER_01 26:30

And then most improved for last season, Cami Devlin, Craig Halkett, Harry Mountain, Lauren Shankland. Kennedy Euro nomination was Craig Halkett.

SPEAKER_04 26:40

Yeah. Um I just think uh he's probably his like injury prone season's a and like the fact if I know he had an injury, bad injury towards the end of season, but he basically carried that defence majority of it. Him and Finley were great together. Um, and uh he helped him settle to the team really easily. I know Finley knows the Scottish game well, but it always helps when you've got uh a guy who's been at the club for a while away, you know what I mean? And uh I just feel he settled for defence in the end, especially even when Alexander was a goal. I thought he was really good then as well. Um so I that's what I was my reasoning for that.

SPEAKER_01 27:16

And Fleming on your nomination was do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Was it Milne?

SPEAKER_01 27:22

It was uh it was Harry Milne, yes.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

Just a wee bit different because um Halfett had an amazing season and so did Devlin, and you know there's a lot of guys. I just thought that uh Milne just surprised me so much. Like I know we were we were kind of joking at the start of the season about losing pen rights and everything, but to come from the championship and be as good as Harry Milne has been, I I think he's actually proven to be better than Pen Rice now, and I think Pen Rice was an upgrade on Alex Cochran. I just think to be in the championship, I have no idea how he was in the championship for so long, and I think his all-round game is outstanding uh power, pace, crossing ability, can beat a man, defend, work great, have a profit goal, just a just a just a great, great season. Um again, I think he got an injury at the end. I just I love Melman, but I think he was so good, so good.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

His personal this as well, but he changed it to right midfielder highbrot. That was absolutely genius by McKinsey that day. But the player also has to take credit for that, but he makes it work so easily too, eh? You know what I mean? So I do sort of see what he's like.

SPEAKER_01 28:32

That's fine. Well, I went obviously, Cammy Devlin, probably the maybe the biggest, the biggest shine, I think, from where he was last season. He had actually an all-right season last season. Although, to be fair, I did think that that was probably how bad we were that we were praising him because he was the praising the water carrier, but he was he has been outstanding and we did miss him certainly. Um another nomination I just threw an extra one in as I show Shankland in because he only scored nine goals this last season and he scored 20 this year. But the winner was with half the votes was Camille Devlin. So Devlin is the winner for that one. The biggest sign in surprise, Fleming. You voted for Harry Mullen, even though technically he was there already.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Sorry, aye, it's just it's just kind of my point that I just said mate, kind of, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Aye, that's fine. I was going with it, cover that. Flet Kennedy went for Claudio Braga, I went with Finlay, but also through Kizaridis in as well. And the winner for that was Claudio Braga. The moment of the season was there was four Spittle versus Hibbs, Halkett's goal v. Hibbs, beaten Celtic at Tincastle, and Shanklin's double at Ibrox. Um so the winner, the winner for that one was I actually didn't register one of the votes, to be honest, but it was a bit of a tie between Spittle versus Hibb and Halkett versus Halkett's goal for Hibbs as well. To be honest, I think all four of those moments without having to go through what it means to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

I mean could have had uh even could have had a few more and day, because yeah, we've not even had you've not even had uh, you know, like like Mags's goal against Hibbs, beating Celtic at Parkhead, beating Rangers against Smith. Um I saw them it's just such a good season. There's lots.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Aye, this is the thing. This is the thing, and I mean technically probably you could have had all of the above and the whole season was probably just about the thing. I mean, one of the moments one of the most emotional moments for me for the season, two of them were obviously self beating Celtic at Tiny for everything that was going on on off the park for me, and then even just being on the plaza in the last day, you didn't even want to celebrate it or award anything for that, but that is probably one of the most emotional moments that I've had um following hearts. The next one is villain of the season. Now the options were the SFA stroke referees, all of the above, Lauren Shankland or Willie Collum, and the winner was all of the all of the above. Ladslide. Uh was I and a Unsung Hero. The four nominations were Ocean McIntyre, Michael Steinwinder. Who is Steinweiner? That was Kennedy, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_04 31:27

Yeah, that was me.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

Why Steinwinder?

SPEAKER_04 31:31

I just feel given the fad that he's been so versatile this season, and like he's not been like a proper first starter, but whatever called upon, he's done that's an amazing job and he's been solid and he can play pretty much any position, even though he is meant to be like an actual left centre half, you know what I mean? Um I just feel he deserves it for that alone, eh? So um he doesn't have a song as well, which made me think unsung, if you know what I mean. So uh that's that's what to think of him as well, way to be fair. Like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Yeah, just uh I think like I just thought he was like the epitome of an unsung hero this season, Andrew. Like did a very, very good job, solid, consistent, kicked in with a couple of goals, absolutely beautiful header out of Parkhead. Like that, I still like it, but I just love the sound of the goal. I mean the header just nestles in the net. It was oh, it's lovely. I I just I just think he's a a good solid player that just sometimes goes under the radar a little bit, but is like seven out of ten practically for the week.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

So the other two that I put in just to make it so I went, I put Blair Spittle. Now I put Blair Spittle in because I thought Spittle was one that started the season that everybody I think would have got rid of, especially with the way that things were going and the the fanciness of Jamestown players that were coming in and things like that. And if I was like, well, it's fine because Spittle and Forrest will be away. But as the season went on, I thought Spittle came in, he came in his own, he showed why he was still there, even though he probably wasn't the most glamorous, but he was definitely one that was very industrious, and he was he definitely neither the end of the season he picked it up and he helped us to move in to obviously where we where we needed to be, especially after the split. And then the other one I went for, and this might surprise you as all is I went I put Swallow in there because it he just kinda was quite steady, like as much as I criticized him, and you all know how much I criticized him throughout the whole year. He was there, he picked up a lot of clean sheets, he wasn't as flashy as Craig Gordon because Gordon came in for two or three games, and everybody was was talking about Gordon coming back into the team and everything else. But Swallow done what he needed to do, he was a goalkeeper for a team that finished second in the league. Um and believe it or not, the winner was actually Alexander Swallow for the unsung unsung hero of the season. So uh yeah, and then the daftest moment of the season, it's our final award, was Swallows Red versus Dundee, Leonard's Red versus Livy, and Swallow's lack of save versus Kilmarnock. Um and funny enough, Swallows Red versus Dundee was the the one out of that one as well, even though I thought Leonard's one was probably the most the probably the most daftest thing I'd seen all season.

SPEAKER_04 34:37

Well, but it's like to be fair for the for Leonard one, it was like he took it for the team because it was last minute. And if he hadn't done that, they would have gone up and scored and won the game. I know, but you know what I mean. That's what potentially could have happened if he didn't do that challenge in. That's why you're not, you're not, you're not, and as well as Wallow one was like right in his own box, and it was like he didn't have to do what he did, and it was just absolute crazy. In a time where we were actually dominated controlling the game, it was just out of madness, you know what I mean? That's why I thought that well aye, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Anyway, so I will well done everybody, and I'll just pop up on uh on socials uh tomorrow as well when this goes out, just uh a recap of all the winners. But this is what we've really came for, is we have came for the predictions. Okay, now what I've done is I'm going to award a point system at the end to see who's got who's the best at this. So if for some of them, if you get them for you, if you get one banner, it's five points, okay. If it's one where it's been a prediction like numbers and you're within five, you'll get one point as well. Okay, and then we'll talk about we'll talk about some of these.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

Well, that's you already on the maximum points already, then mate. She's in, she's in.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Let's let's go through that, okay? Because I I went and listened back to the whole podcast last night, right? And it was quite funny because we were we when we recorded the predictions podcast, we were talking about we hadn't seen Magnus in, and we were still waiting on Kubori coming in, and we were a wee bit unsure about Kubori and is he going to be a player that's going to come in and start? And I mean, hindsight's a hindsight's a quite a funny thing when we go back listening to it, because I was I was laughing about and we're talking about obviously getting St. Mirin in the cup, and how St. Mirin was obviously the hardest tie that we could have got, and then we were adamant that it was going to be definitely going to be a TV game, for example, and the St. Mirrin uh obviously was going to be the tele. It was never ever going to be three o'clock on a Saturday, and we'd have we still had a very, very good chance, and uh yeah, we kinda obviously know how that went. Um so with some of them as well. I think we'll use with obviously player of the year and things like that with the predictions, we'll use obviously things that maybe hearts of hearts of probably said, and we'll then make a wee judgment on some of them on whether we think somebody would maybe deserve a point as well. Okay, so we'll start with league position. Okay. Do we remember what we said for league positions, boys?

SPEAKER_04 37:25

I was third, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Gavin Kennedy was third, yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

I think I was I think I was I think I was third as well.

SPEAKER_01 37:33

You were third, and I went for second. Um and the reaction that I got for saying that we'd finish second was quite was quite amusing, to be honest. I guess I remember Fleming always like coming through the computer, made like what aye basically you were like you Fleming was not having it at all, like he generally was not having any of it.

SPEAKER_00 37:58

What the what the fuck did I know about football though, lad? Say what Dano about football.

SPEAKER_01 38:03

Absolutely nothing at all. Like it was it was just listening back, it was just like Fleming's like, what are you talking about? We'll finish third. Like it is so difficult to finish second. Um we'll this is where we are on this journey. Third is is probably the best. I think you were both kind of saying very similar things. I think I sent a clip in the chat as well of of that as well. So I mean that's pretty pretty bang on, I must admit, and I'm raging that I got that uh one spot on, but I mean that is a good five points for me. Now, Scottish Cup, we went out in the third round. So, Kennedy, do you remember what your prediction was?

SPEAKER_04 38:43

Yeah, I'm sure I said we were good we would win the Scottish Cup.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

We did. Um I went for the final of the Scottish Cup, and Gavin Fleman, do we remember where you said that you thought we would be? That's Ace Dennies. You did say the semi-finals as well, so not a tough point, no points all round. The again, not even close to be honest, after getting beat 1-1. Sorry, getting beat on penalties after a draw at Tynecastle against Falkirk. Um, it certainly was not good at all. Um, we'll move on to the League Cup. And I said that we'd win the League Cup. Yeah, that could have been a far better prediction. Gavin Kennedy, do we remember where we said?

SPEAKER_04 39:32

I said we would get beat by Celtic in one of the earlier rounds, but I was close because it was submitted at the end, eh. So do I not get a point for that?

SPEAKER_01 39:40

No, you said we'd get beat for Celtic at Parkhead. We never even we never even we never even got.

SPEAKER_04 39:48

We never got to Parkhead. I can't say I should get at least a point for that.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Kenneth Fleming, does he get a point for getting for getting the answer completely wrong?

SPEAKER_00 39:57

But I don't know because Celtic and Submit, they're they're best pals. Submarin and Submirin who have had a Celtic shot inside their ground before. Exactly, Gam. I see I see where he's coming from. I see his logic. I see his logic.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

Right, you does he get a point for it?

SPEAKER_00 40:14

I think I think we should because what it's just come on. Yeah, it's not Lemon. We're all being friendly this evening, so let's give him a wee. Lemon's a V E R.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

Fucking Andrew Davis's fucking predictions here. And Fleming, do you remember what you said?

SPEAKER_00 40:31

I can't I can't, mate. Like we're like we know, right? The word there's a there's a cuss and there's a there's a plague on hearts ever winning the league cups.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

By the way, you I you that's exactly what you said. You genuinely said that. This is what you said when you were giving your prediction that there was going to be a was even mentioned as well. There was what?

SPEAKER_04 40:51

I'm sure Chris Bade was even mentioned as well, eh?

SPEAKER_01 40:56

But yes, you got you said the final. Um so again, we were quite confident, but unfortunately it was, and Kennedy has made up. It has to be next season it has to be at some point.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Surely, surely, honestly, 1960, it has to. It's only four rounds. We'll go and we'll get seated in the fourth round because we've got Europe this season. It has to come on, at least we're not really team.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

At least we're not really tame to lose as a bit of the final though.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

So you gotta just honestly, if there's got to be a League Cup god there somewhere, and it's just like I thought you should go, lads, this time, this time, come on, come on, this time, definitely, and then player of the year.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Okay, now I went for Shanks, and Fleming went for Shanks as well. Um but Fleming also was very adamant about Chesnikov when he came in. Oh no, you were very you like you were like, I've read about this player, he looks like he's a level above.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

No, listen, listen, and no, I know that this is this is actually this is quite funny. I do like this actually, right? I do remember when um we were chasing him because we've been chasing him since I think last January. So, like, you know, January past then, so almost like 18 months, right? And the stuff that was getting put out in the media and through the standard and everything like that, right, was that he was meant to be a genuinely good player, right? And people, you know, I still think there is possibly a good player in there, right? I just don't think it's obviously worked out whether we now just cut our losses or not. But no, that's why you funny, Andy, if I was if I was giving it big licks about Jeff.

SPEAKER_01 42:41

You were you were giving it big you were giving it big licks. And to be honest, Kennedy, I don't know if Kennedy, if basically this could be another potential debate for Kennedy's point. Okay, so Kennedy was either he was debating two names, okay. Now one of them was Benny Beningame, and the other was Claudio Braga, and he couldn't really make up his mind because he was kind of he was listening to us talking about Shanks being player of the year, and he wasn't having Kennedy was not having Shanks being a hit this season at all. He was like, no, he just could not see past Bragar and he couldn't really make his mind up because he said Benny maybe Bragar, but then he went for he said Benny. So Gavin Fleming, does he get a point for kinda saying Bragar, but Blackett being a shite bag and going with Benny, or do we just leave him?

SPEAKER_00 43:32

I think I know I think he does deserve the point there because I actually I remember him going on about Bragar. I remember us debating it and being a bit like, Oh, do you think it'll be a headache? He's it'll not be named and he was not he even though he'd always seen Braga in a couple of League Cup group matches. Gav was like, Oh no, this boy's gonna make us millions, he's amazing. Gar I Gav used the power like he used the power that was before he had his dog as well.

SPEAKER_01 43:56

So So yeah, so you're gonna so he gets the point for that. One and well you got a point.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Oh Fleming said I got a point for the last one as well.

SPEAKER_01 44:06

So yeah. So um that's fine. Um so next is well, technically, you'll give you you should you should be getting five for that one. You got a point for the other one before. Well, we'll come back to that, right? Top goal scorer.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

Um I thought here I definitely went.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

You did say you did say Braga, and I was like, because I've wrote down on my notes here that he is not hovering, Kennedy is not having Shanks at all. He is he's basically not hovering up. So which to be fair, at one point, at one point he was he was he was the top goal scorer and you weren't you weren't if far off it, but it was obviously Shanks was the the top goal scorer uh for Hart and Lodian. So we will go five points each there for me and Mr. Fleming. I mean it's pretty self-explanatory.

SPEAKER_04 45:11

I was convinced that with McInnes McInnes being there, he would be we would get the old deck the old Lauren Shanklin back uh for the season, and it was about five points away, so I think this would be taken off you see.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

What's that? Right. What now the best sign-in based on our vote is what we're going to use for this one, boys, which was uh Claudio Braga. Okay, so for the best sign-ins, Gavin Kennedy and Gavin Fleming both went for Claudio Braga, so that's five points each chap.

unknown 45:59

Woo!

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Kennedy Fleman should probably lose a point because he went, he he he said he kinks Keszy could be a good player, but he thinks that when Chesnikov comes in, that this is that there's definitely going to be a player there. So that was the second mess mention for Chesnikov. So he must have read a very about a very good article on Chesnikov before he started came on the record that day. And then I went for you just want to have guesses who I went for.

SPEAKER_04 46:29

Chantlin.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

No, best sign in. Santlin's on the count, Kennedy.

SPEAKER_04 46:34

Magnuson?

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Nope, because we haven't signed Magnuson yet, but he went there. Fleman?

SPEAKER_04 46:45

He's disappeared. Oh, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

Fleman.

SPEAKER_00 46:50

You're lying, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Would you like to guess who I went for best sign-in?

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Best sign-in? Did we know was there still what? Sorry, who doesn't matter, mate. I was just thinking like who hadn't hadn't signed by that time.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

So Magnuson, like so Magnuson Magnuson hadn't signed because we're still waiting on him. Kabori hadn't signed at that point yet either. And you were desperate for Cheshnikov to sign.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

I'm gonna go Aju, did you say Aju?

SPEAKER_01 47:18

No, I didn't say Aju. I don't think Aju had signed either, to be fair.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

Yeah, I think it was sports of the Ed, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 47:24

Yeah. So I went for Ocean Markintee. First. And then I don't know if there's this one or the next one, because Fleming then tells me that I need to, I'm just being controversial for the sake of it. And this is probably he goes, you're just stop this because you're just being controversial for the sake of it now. I don't know if that's because I've already said that we were going to finish second at that point. So yes, I get no points for that one. Then we went for unexpected hero, um and you fleman went for Harry. Sorry, Fleming went for Stuart Finlay, um which was actually not a bad, not a bad shout. Um Gavin Kennedy went for Harry Mill, which was probably uh wasn't a bad shout. And this is the one that I went for. The Hoff. The Hoff didn't play a 15-minute match for the whole season.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Yes, 15 minutes of action all season, yeah, yes, and at some point I thought that he thought one was bad, mate. I thought Chesnocop was bad.

SPEAKER_01 48:46

The Hoff. I generally thought that I thought there was a way in for the Hoff this season. Nope. Absolutely not. So do we give m did we give Kennedy a point?

SPEAKER_00 48:57

Well, I think Stuart Finlay scored six goals, lads. Including including a winner against uh including a goal against Rangers in a 2-1 win and an equaliser against Celtic. I'm sorry, a goal against Celtic in a 2-2. You know, so I'm gonna go. Exactly. We're gonna be giving people we're gonna be giving people points. I'm thinking the Finlay should be ahead of Millnair lives, but that's just me, that's just me. Go on the suit of Finlay. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 49:26

Right, there's no points then. That's what we're uh that's what would that's what we needed to decide. Right, talking of points. I asked you both to name how many points we would get for the whole season. Okay, Gavin Fleman was very, very conservative with 63 points, and it was quite understandable because we thought we'd finish third.

SPEAKER_04 49:48

Gonna do it, Gavin.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

No, you're going then. 69, dude. There you go. Gavin Kennedy's points total. And then I was told to put the crack pipe down when I said this one. Because I said that we'd score not eight, actually, for the whole season, eighty to that's just because you've got a crack habit though, Andy.

SPEAKER_00 50:10

I was just I was for picking the hoff, uh, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

But yes, I said eighty-one points. Um so I mean that's well done, mate.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

Well done. I don't know, I don't I still honestly I don't know where they came from, mate. I thought that was as proper. See if I thought the intellectual levels of genius mate getting second and getting a point off an actual actual points total, mate. Well played, well played, well done.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

See if I see if I told you I sat and worked it out. I sat there and I tried to work out how many points we could take at home and how many times what we would need to maybe not like if beating the old if it was beating everybody else and then no beating the old firm. Um I'm pretty to be fair, I'm pretty happy with that, uh, to be honest. Um I'm pretty happy that I managed to get close to it. I'm devastated that we finished second, uh, to be honest. But going through it, like, because you then had a pop-up, me Fleming. Like, are you kidding? Like, even when we split the old firm, we all got 70 odd points. I was so we're gonna get 80 odd points. I mean, this is going to be our season. When I done these predictions, I genuinely thought that the season we had was great, but I thought we were gonna have an even better season where we were getting to win in League Cups and finish to be fair, finishing second, and what get into Scottish Cup finals, and honestly, it was it was wild.

SPEAKER_00 51:35

80 points is is is unbelievable for Hartley. It is like I don't I know our predictions in a couple of weeks for next season A, but um that that was that's phenomenal. Utterly, utterly phenomenal. Like, like you say, the the the 2006 WAD team only got set before Andy. That's why I remember thinking, I was like, that's that's wild. But um fair play, mate. You believed, you believed.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

I did believe, I I did believe. Now the next one is this next one's quite good is quite interesting. So I asked you all, I asked you to go and pick how many goals Harsh would score in over all competitions. Now bear in mind because we had a wee bit of debate, because I told you that we had scored, I think I'd say 70 odd, but it was 66 for the season before, and then you realised that you had picked quite low for the goals. So we'd already scored 16 at that point in the League Cup, so it was the whole season throughout all the league, League Cup, Scottish Cup combined, and Kennedy went for 81. I went with 93, but Gavin Fleming got it bang on the money with 85 goals.

SPEAKER_03 52:55

Bang on, bang on, bang, bang on because it's a couple off. What do I don't get five points as well because it's a couple of years?

SPEAKER_01 53:04

You'll get a point, you'll you'll get a point for being a few off, but he gets the five for being bang on it.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

I mate, I got an exact amount of goals across every competition, mate. That's what you that's what you call skill. That is what you call skill, like honestly.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I was listening to it last night and I was like, fuck, he's got that. And I was like, I'll keep that one a wee surprise for him because I was like, listen, because we've got 67 in the league, 16 in the 17 in the league cup, and one in the Scottish Cup. Wow, 85 goals, and I went with me 93. I was like, wow, I was like, so yeah, uh, well done, mate. Like, I think is we probably would have scored more had we went a wee bit deeper into the competitions as well, but yeah, 85 85 goals for the whole season. The one I probably wasn't expecting anybody to get bang on the money, but a wee point for Gavin Fleming for Gavin Kennedy and five points for uh Gavin Fleming as well. Now, the last prediction before I tally up your scores was mad crazy stuff. So Gavin Kennedy went with Hearts Hibb's final stroke. Braga would score a hat trick at Easter Road and do a hat trick of Suze.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Um XF like yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 54:34

I went with that we'd get three red cards at Ibrox. Um, I mean, I think if we went to IBROX again, we probably ended up with three red cards to stop us. And then I always had probably and then I went I'd be on Kennedy's couch because I'd get divorced for missing my daughter's dance show um for it go to the League Cup final that we didn't get to. So, yes. And Ket Fleming went, he went with the one who's probably the closest. He went with he went, we'll lose to Livy at home, and everything would be in an absolute meltdown. Nearly.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

So we actually we actually only really had like four or five genuinely rubbish performances across the whole season. It was quite it was quite incredible too, to be fair.

SPEAKER_04 55:33

Honestly, it was it was it was an incredible effort, like honestly, it was it was yeah, I don't agree, and there's only like one or two sort of massive sort of like big results as well in terms of like goals if you get the A. Like we didn't really get like have a teams every week, we just done enough to get the uh victories in RA, so it wasn't like any bad shit actually did happen, really.

SPEAKER_00 56:04

Apart from Glasgow, apart from apart from unfortunately what happened at the end of the season, that's um that's you know what I mean, but yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 56:17

Sorry, I'm just doing calculations. I didn't actually calculate this up in advance, I'd done it as we were we were going along, so I think the name of his podcast should be cracked by my different podcast all the gun.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

This is a question for you.

SPEAKER_04 57:17

He did give me an extra point for six minutes, so I'm gonna say yes.

SPEAKER_01 57:20

Yeah, so the one of your predictions with 16 points is Gavin Fleming.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Yeah, go on to Gavin Fleming, yes.

SPEAKER_01 57:32

So Kennedy got 12 points, I got 15, and Kennedy and Fleming got 16.

SPEAKER_00 57:37

Oh, it's a controversial decision right at the end there. Right at the end.

SPEAKER_01 57:42

Oh, John fucking John beating. Yes, so there we go. That congratulations, Gap.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

That one live. That is, that is. Wait till the audio comes out for that.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

The audio is fucking Kennedy's cat's flowing fucking Tonto, and like his pants are on fire to give you the point. But yeah, that's been uh that was quite a good laugh going. It's quite interesting to go through it and uh see where we all what we all predicted and how how things have changed, even just players, even when you look at the players that we had or the ones that we thought we were maybe getting as well. Um so yeah, that was quite a quite a good we chat. Um, and this is probably uh maybe last regular one for a couple of weeks. Obviously, the World Cup's coming up. How are you feeling about just finally just to close out? How are you feeling about the World Cup? Uh obviously there's technically a well according to uh according to FIFA, there's three Hearts players at the World Cup. So um have we just given up? We know that's not true, so um the World Cup starts before the transfer window opens.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

I know, but we know it's not true, so because hearts have already announced it, so SFR wrong again, so that's not a fucking surprise, eh? Um I just when it comes to Steve Clark football, I've hated it anyway, and if I had that sort of two in the morning at 11 o'clock, kind of stuff like that, which is as you guys know, but I'll pass my bedtime. So I've got little or no motivation for this World Cup, it's has to be said. Not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00 59:24

You're not even gonna you're not even gonna make an effort to try and watch the Scotland games, Gav.

SPEAKER_04 59:29

I might for the Friday night month, because that's 11 o'clock and I'll probably but for for the other two, I've I'll check the score of the morning and I'll might with some highlights for someone, but you know what we never.

SPEAKER_00 59:39

I do genuinely understand what folk are saying, right, about the the the ATA game, like because for for when it was like before the end of the league season, I was actually thinking oh it could be a big day out and a good laugh and that, but now I am a bit like, oh some of the boys, you know, like Dougie's trying to arrange um to go and book a place and everything, and you're looking at the options and talking about going out to like uh the guile and stuff and watching it outside and you're at two in the morning and coming back at four at the time.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

Who wants to go outside and watch it in the guy? Who wants to go outside and watch a game of football at two in the morning?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

No, that's just the time, mate.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:16

Um I know that we're recording this and it makes but it makes me feel old. Like generally, what if like to watch Scotland?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:25

You see, even the last World Cup in USA, I can remember like recording the Egular games because Scotland burning in that one, if I remember rightly. And I can remember recording the regular games to watch them lose the next day and stuff like that, because I've obviously stayed up till stupid o'clock either, eh?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:41

So I think I I think I will buy Hooper by Truke end up watching the Haiti game because it is a Saturday, but uh I just can't quite work out what how I'm gonna do it because some of the boys are talking about the pub, but it's like fucking you'd be bothered, it's a long day, you're gonna get in somewhere late. It's uh it is a bit of a ball like and in terms of you know yeah, like you want Scotland to do well. There was a lot of excitement on the night Scotland qualified, alright? We're from Scotland, we support the national team, I was in Germany. Of course, we want them to win games. I think though there's just a little bit uh a little bit of silenced just from the end of the year.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

So I know I just I uh I think the whole Shanklin, the way that the whole like the Shanklin thing is maybe just as well, Andy.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:40

See if he was still playing for hearts and he'd um you know pinky obviously ping those guns in against Tourist out at the weekend and they actually put them really well and they were good finishes. I think if he's coming a rambo, it might be a bit more uh and then I found out that Gordon's really gonna be the number one, like you said, you know, I think Gunn's gonna be the number one. I'm just a little bit more blocked. Hopefully, by the time the games come round, I'll be a bit more up to it. But just now, yeah, but like I mean what the first game's next Thursday is it um South Africa Mexico for the first game? I mean even that, even that, I know I know I'll probably watch it now because it's the World Cup. But like Gab says, games at 11 at night, two in the morning, five in the morning, seven in the morning. I mean, realistically, how how many of these are you gonna watch?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

Like C Space or see, I'm I'm alright because I work in I work on sociable hours, so I might see more of these games than guys like yourselves who worked maybe work for home and things like that. But what about the Australia? Even the Australia games, obviously, we have got Cammy Devlin's interest as well. Um makes it a bit more funnier that Martin Boyle didn't get in either. Um, over a guy for that basically Livingston wound it. Um so yeah, I mean there's obviously the the Gordon stuff would be good if Gordon played with a doubt it. Um but I mean Cami Devlin, a wee bit of interest there as well. I think it's quite maybe a bit crap though that we've got three technically three players going to the World Cup because even when you've seen the listings on Twitter the other day, Shanklin's listed as a Hearts player. But we we've got three players there that could have outstanding World Cups, and we're going we're we're not gonna make a penny off either of them because nobody's wanting to bat a 43-year-old backup goalie, and nobody wants Cami Devlin's at the contract, and Shanklin's already signed somewhere else. So I feels that there is this hearts interest because hearts will get money for these players being away, but at the same time, they're not actually going to get it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:40

Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe Jamestown's looking at some World Cup players, right? We never got the ones that have us off. So maybe we'll get maybe we'll get some proper World Cup players from Jamestown. You never know, mate. You never know.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:53

The final thing I would say in that is that in in the theory, though, it should maybe help us going into the key season and these European qualifiers, because technically we're only missing a backup goalkeeper if we think that Devlin's going to sign somewhere else. Whereas we've not got because could you imagine had we built our season on Lauren Chantlin coming back and he doesn't come back, he comes back, but he comes back how he came back before, and then it sets us back. But we've got our players are all going to be back, they're going to be fit, and they're going to be ready to go for the following season.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:25

So it would be a bit glorious if it happened to with Radio, so just saying.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:32

Well, that's a different story for a different day. But again, anything else, lads, before we go?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

All good, mate. Oh, good day.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:43

Perfect. So again, thank you very much for everybody that has listened to us for the whole season. Um, we have been Old Castle Rock. We have enjoyed it. It's been our first season under this name. Um, it's been a memorable season on the park for us. It's been emotional off the park as well. Um, we've since the turn of the year, it's something we have been highlighting is that it is good to talk. Um if you are feeling just that little bit down, if you're feeling that you're maybe a wee bit lonely, is reach out. Um, there's always going to be someone to help, whether it is speak reaching out to some loser on a hearts podcast, or whether it is reaching out to someone that is a trained professional, or even just the groups there, the people that maybe are in circumstances that will take a weight off all your shoulders as well. There is a lot of uh organizations out there that can certainly help with that. And if it is on the other foot as well, if you've not heard for somebody for a little while, um then please reach out to them as well. When I was listening back to the podcast at these for the start of the year, I was actually reminded that I hadn't heard for Kennedy for a couple of days, which isn't alike, because normally he's over every chat that you're in with him, but I hadn't heard from and I actually reached out to him and I said on the pod as well before he went off you were worried about me. And it was because I hadn't heard from him for a few days, it was just to make sure he was alright. So if I've noticed that that Gavin Kennedy is a bit quiet, or even Gavin Fleming's a bit quiet because he likes a good chat as well. Then if you've noticed, if you do have a friend that you haven't noticed that you've not heard for a few days or something like that, just a wee text, are you alright, big guy? How's it going? And again, it can make that that bit of difference as well. So again, thank you for thank you for listening to me just even there. Look at the show notes, look at our uh social media sites on Facebook, X, Instagram, Blue Sky and Threads. There's all the information for all these these groups that can certainly help as well, or you can reach out to us as well. Our DMs are open as well. That's just our Facebook and uh DMs and Instagram, Ken Fleming. Know the other uh DMs, and although I'm sure they're open as well. Um, but again, thank you very much, guys. It's been some season, and we will probably be back after a couple of weeks um just to go through a wee break, charge our batteries, and go again. So, again, thank you very much, and it's a bye for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:10

And it's uh Bonjour for me, and a good night from me.