The Truth About: Casting for Disney & Building a YouTube Empire w/ @thisisdanabowling

From Blake Lively to Bank Accounts: Casting Kids, Quitting Hollywood & Making Money Online

What happens when a former Hollywood casting director walks away from Disney, kid actors, and a very dark industry… and accidentally builds a wildly profitable pop-culture media empire?

In this episode, @thisisdanabowling (TT/YT) pulls back the curtain on everything — from casting Zendaya and Jenna Ortega to why she would never let her own kids enter the entertainment industry. We talk Blake Lively headlines, the uncomfortable truth about child actors, and how millennial women were sold a How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days fantasy career that never actually existed.

Dana opens up about hitting financial rock bottom while “keeping up with the LA mom crowd” (that included actually Real Housewives like Teddi Mellencamp) while quietly drowning in debt, and the exact pivot that helped her rebuild — fast. She breaks down how Daily Dose of Dana really makes money (YouTube, podcast ads, Patreon, brand deals), why content creation is not a get-rich-quick scheme, and what most people don’t understand about going viral.

We also get real about:

• The hidden power (and emotional cost) of being able to pivot
• Why your friends won’t support you when you start posting online
• The Blake Lively coverage that sent her views through the roof
• Why women are better at reinvention than men (sorry, not sorry)
• Raising kids in a world where everything is content
• And what it means to be unapologetically Jewish in today’s pop-culture landscape

If you’ve ever fantasized about quitting your job, side-eyed influencer money, or wondered what actually happens behind the scenes in Hollywood — this episode is the reality check you didn’t know you needed.

🎧 Listen now — especially if you love pop culture, money talk, and the truth about motherhood no one says out loud.

#BlakeLively
#BethennyFrankel

#motherhood

Transcript

Meet Donna: From Casting To Valley Life

SPEAKER_03 0:28

For those who are listening, you might know her from Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively coverage. She also was covering the fires in LA a lot, and she talks about pop culture with a daily show on YouTube. So the daily dose of Donna, welcome. Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here. And yeah, we're so happy to have you here. And so you live in LA, you live in Studio City, and you used to be a casting director, right?

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Yeah, I'm born and raised here in LA. I used to live in the city side. I never thought I'd be in the valley. Like being in the valley for us that grew up in the city was just like, what? Never. But I love the valley. If you know, I we were just talking before we started recording. You know the valley, you know Los Angeles, but the valley is like where everyone graduates to, I feel like. I mean, of course, a lot of people grow up and then live in the city side, like the over the hill forever. But I love being in the valley. It's just the best. It's kind of like the Bravo version. You know, you grow up, you get married, and you buy a house in the valley. You can get more for your money. You have more space, there's more parking. And now there's so many great restaurants and everything over here anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

Yeah, I did the same thing. I used to live in San Francisco and now I live over in the suburbs, which I was like, I will never live there. And I'm like, oh, the school district's good. It's I can drive my car to the grocery store. I don't have to lug it up a hill.

Early Industry Roots And First Breaks

SPEAKER_01 1:50

It's exactly. And it's not as like you're not so worried about your zip code and the trends and whatever. It's like, what makes most sense for real life? But yeah, I was a casting director when I always was obsessed with the entertainment industry. Like I just had it in my blood. I loved it. And it's not that my parents were in it. My dad was an OBGYN. He he worked at Cedar Sinai, which is a famous LA hospital, and he delivered a lot of celebrity babies. Oh, really? So I did have that connection a little bit. Like I remember going to the set of Designing Women, which was a very popular show because Gene Smart was one of my dad's patients. He delivered Gene Smart's baby. So I remember that was my first time being on a TV set, visiting my dad's patient, Gene Smart, not knowing a thing about designing women. It was like a big adult show. But I was like, this is so cool. And then I remember being on the set of Full House and going to the Universal Studios backlot, just loving the industry side. I got really obsessed with TV. I would be the kid that would need to have TV on while I was doing my homework. And my mom would just say, okay, as long as you're getting good grades, I guess it's fine. But my sister grew up in the same house, never cared about it. It was just in me. And when I graduated college, I got an internship with a casting director. I actually got an internship as uh with a talent manager in college, my summer before my senior year, who managed really big actors like Burt Reynolds and Chevy Chase. And it was a cool experience, but it wasn't for me. I didn't like the management side. I really liked the casting side. So my first job was on That So Raven, the original Disney show uh with Raven Simone. And that to me was just so cool to be on the set, to be on the studio a lot, to see everything from like the casting sessions to the table read to the writer's room, and then of course the live audience. And that just set me in motion for 15 years until I decided I don't like it anymore. What made you decide that? So the, you know, the casting world is a really crazy world. It's amazing if that's your passion and you want to do it forever. I worked in the I did a lot of things from, you know, NBC, ABC, CBS, all kinds of uh networks and and studios. But when we were working, I ended up casting a show with a partner of mine at 26 years old. I was casting Sweet Life on Deck, the spin-off of Sweet Life of Zack and Cody with Dylan and Coles Brouse. So I was very young, working really, really well. And what I realized pretty early on was, well, two things. Number one, you don't actually have a lot of uh, I would say, creative say as a casting director. I think a lot of casting directors, it depends, I think, where you work and who you work for. I think some casting directors on big films, if you're really collaborative with the directors, you can have a lot of say. But where I was in my career, we were working for big corporations, Disney, Nickelodeon. You're a tiny piece of a huge pie of a lot of people, like a lot of cooks in the kitchen. So we were bringing great talent to them, but ultimately at the end of the day, like everyone took the credit. So we would bring huge stars, Zendaya, Debbie Ryan, um, really big names to the network, Bella Thorne, Jenna Ortega, people like that. But ultimately, the networks in studio, they'd be like, look who we found. And you know, the casting directors would just be these like low lives in the corner. And I realized really early on, I was like, this isn't, this doesn't feel good. And plus, you know, you start to realize there's a really dark side of casting kids. And I guess when I had my own kids, so I I started um my own family. I had my first son in 2012 and then my second in 2015. I think it started to like develop a little bit of a weird feeling in my system of do I really love this feeling of working with kid talent? And then slowly, slowly, you know, you started to see these managers and agents getting arrested for that I worked with for, you know, children behind the scenes, people that I was talking on the phone with every day that I had no idea.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

It's just yucky. Dan Schneider type stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:12

Yeah. Oh, you probably worked with him, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:14

If you were working on the show, I never worked on a Dan Schneider show, but I worked around Dan all the time.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Did you is this weird ask, but did you ever feel weird around him? Like, was he kind of a weirdo?

SPEAKER_01 6:25

I like I I never actually worked one-on-one. So you know, but I had heard so many stories, but everyone just makes it like he's just a he's just a weird guy. He's just quirk. He kind of was. He was like a grown-up kid, you know, everything about him had that energy. And but there's a lot of people in that business, in that kid business, that have that energy. They're just like stunted, maybe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

I could totally see how you'd want to get out of it, though, having your own family, because that's kind of when I got out of tech. It's very different, like the it's CD in its own way, not in that way, but in its own way. And once you have kids, it's like, why do I want to go get beat up or treated really poorly every day? Like when my kid at home does that to me. Like, I only have so much bandwidth in order to do that. I don't know if you had that feeling at all, too. Like a little bit.

The Limits And Dark Side Of Kid Casting

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Yeah, it's just it I I hated this idea of like spending my there was something very odd about spending all my day with kids that weren't my own. Yeah. It's like I wonder if teachers feel this way sometimes that have kids have heard that. Yeah. Maybe, maybe. I don't know. It was weird. I actually left casting to take a job with, and I had a casting partner, so I always say we, um, another woman who is a great friend of mine, but she also had a family herself where we were very similar in the sense we both had boys, we were both moms. And she and I took a job in the last year that we worked together as agents. We actually headed up a department at a very big talent agency. And I thought that that was actually gonna be the perfect job because it was rather than just auditioning all day, we were kind of in charge. We had an office that we knew we were gonna go to every day. Casting is very freelance. You never know what your next job is gonna be. You're moving around town all the time. Uh, we would have benefits, we'd have all these great things. And I hated it even more because I felt like I was begging for these actors to get jobs. And these actors would come to me and say, like, I can't pay rent. Help me. And I was like, oh shit, this is the worst. So I just quit the industry completely. Basically, I just didn't look for the next job. That's kind of how you quit. You just say, I'm I'm done. And it worked out in a weird way because I had to kind of, I kind of hit rock bottom. It was like a little bit of a weird thing. I went through a period of, I mean, I'm answering questions before you're even asking. Am I loving it? I I was so it was 2000, I want to say 17, 18, something around that, around that time. And I was living a weird life. I was like, I was in this weird in-between. I wanted to be, I was living in my brain like I was the stay-at-home mom that didn't need to work. I was friends with a lot of these LA, very, very rich moms. We were all going through these years where we had these two young kids, same age, friends with some, some like housewife moms, right? And I was kind of keeping up with the Joneses with them. When I say housewife moms, like like housewives. Yeah, like literal, literal, like Teddy Mellencamp was in my circle. And she was, she wasn't on Beverly Hills Housewives yet. This was before her Beverly Hills Housewives run. We had just our kids were all the same age. So we're all in the same circle. And but she's still incredibly wealthy. And I'm not, right? So like we're not in the same. And her husband, as yeah, but her husband really was oh, interesting. She's no longer, you know, uh, they're going through the divorce, Edwin. But I mean, this this is the people that I'm hanging out with are like money, money, money. And I'm thinking I'm wealthy with them, right? So I'm like, this is literally how I'm trying to kind of this was my identity crisis moment where I had two young kids at home. I'm not working, I'm still holding on to my nanny because I have a baby at home, even though one of my kids is in preschool all day. The other one's at home, because I'm in my mind, I'm like, I'm gonna work soon, so I can't get rid of my nanny, which is so expensive. So expensive. It's so hard to find, too. Yeah, exactly. So one kid in full-time preschool, so expensive. One kid at home with a nanny, so expensive, no income. We're totally a dual income family, my husband and I. And my husband's working away, and I am going to two workouts a day with Teddy and all uh all of our friends, right? And then lunching at Nordstroms or lunching at Bloomingdale or whatever, like living my best life. I don't even know, getting facials, uh, shopping, coming home until one day I had I I I'll never forget it. It was March, and I woke up with a fever. And I don't know if you ever or if you girls are like this, but when I am sick, it is I know you you have a little bit of a cold now. I'm so depressed when I'm sick. Like I, because I'm a doer, I like to work out, I like to move, I like to go. If I am sick, especially with a fever and I can't get out of bed, I'm I'm I don't know if I'm like this as much anymore, but at these days, I was like depressed, really depressed. I hated it, right? So I was already depressed, and then I get a notification from my bank, and it's my personal bank account that I was using the whole time, not like my joint with my husband. And it says like how in debt I am or whatever. Like totally over extending my credit. And I had a moment of panic. Like, what the F am I doing? So it took me to that was my rock bottom. Like, I have a fever, I'm sick, I can't move, I can't get up, I can't do the things that like were band-aiding my happiness, you know, like working out, shopping, eating, da-da-da-da-da-da like socializing. I have no money. I mean, I did have money, but I didn't, like all the money that I was spending was just going into debt. And I'm unhappy. I love to work. What the hell am I doing with my life? So I was um, I panicked. I was 37 years old. And uh that was the moment where I kind of had to like get my ish together and figure out plan B.

SPEAKER_03 12:45

So were you, did you leave casting or did you lose your job at that time? And that's how you kind of like, were you laid off? Or like how does that transition happen? Because for me, I was laid off and then I went into consulting, and then slowly I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. And because it's really hard to walk away from a substantial paycheck, right? Is that kind of how it went? Or did you just walk away?

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Well, casting is project by project. Unless you work for a studio, like contracted with a studio as you know, a network casting director, you get a project. So the last job we had when I was this big, like so pregnant in 2015, was stuck in the middle, which was a pilot for Disney. And it was with Jenna Ortega. So we were working on that when I was like 38 weeks pregnant with Oliver, my my youngest, my younger. And we had the baby. We finished the project, we had the baby. And then when Oliver was 12 days old, we were told by Disney that they needed to do some recasting. But because of our extensive search, they wanted to recast a couple of like the siblings. They were gonna use a different casting director. I think it's also because they knew I was like 12 days postpartum. That's crazy. And it was, it was, and it was awful. It was like the worst letdown because I was so emotional and you know, horrified by the whole day. It was awful. Disney was awful to work for for many reasons. They treated us really badly, by the way. Really? Many ways.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

Well, good thing we canceled our Disney subscription because my son is addicted to it, so I had to cancel it because I'm like, I cannot handle super kitties and pop troll one more day.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

So I actually don't mind Disney as like an entertainer, as like a show. Or I mean, we watch Disney Plus here, like my kids are into it. I don't care about it, but I just felt like they treated us very like we were young, and I felt like they took advantage of that a lot. We got paid a lot less than other people, you know. They they took advantage of us a lot. And um, in many ways, like there's so many stories I could say. But a lot of the people that did that aren't even there anymore. They got fired and laid off since then because of all the mergers and like there's so many takeovers and changes, and you know. But um, but yeah, so we were let out of work and that forced us. We took a couple meetings here and there, but it was almost like it was like God's way of just basically saying, like, you're good. But then I did take the, we did take the agent job after that.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Yeah. And then you left from there. You hated it. Yeah, you left. And then you started doing content creating. How long have you been doing this for? Because there's so many people who want to get into content creating, right? And it is not easy, but a lot of people make it look easy, right? So, how long have you been doing this?

Motherhood, Misgivings, And Leaving Casting

SPEAKER_01 15:34

Well, that also was a journey because that didn't just like start, I didn't just start my podcast out of thin air. What happened was I needed to figure out something fast. And when when I was in debt, no work, what the hell am I gonna do? So I had to have like a, you know, I'm Jewish, but I had to come have a come to Jesus moment. And I, I, I had to like seriously figure out what to do. I I had a conversation with my sister, who was uh two years older than me, and she's always like very logical. She went to business school, not business school, she went to grad school, like she knows what she's doing. Um I was watching a lot of Gary Vaynerchuck at the time, who's like a very, if you know who he is, he's like a really one of those like motivational speakers about like get your life together. And it was that year, it was like 2017-18 when we were all like self-help, yes, Rachel Hollis.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Yeah, you know, I don't know if you guys were into any of that. Do you remember the You're a Badass one? Jennifer. Yes, I would Jen Sincero or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

I was in my car every day, like playing all that. I think it's all BS now. Yeah, but yeah, it was perfect in that time. Like everyone needs things like that when you're in that, you know, the Mel Robbins of the world. You know, like when you need it, when you need it, it's there. Sometimes now you look back and you're like, but you need what you need when you need it. And I had to figure out what I could do in that moment. So I always give that advice. You when you cannot, when you need to make money and you need to figure out like what's next for yourself, it may not be the job that's forever. It may not be the career that's forever, it may not be the thing that like lights you up and like sets your mind, you know, aglow. But sometimes you just need to take that step to get you to the next step because there are bills that need to be paid. Like, yeah, you have to take skills that you know you're good at. So in that moment, I knew I could work with actors, but that's something I knew I could do. I knew I could work with kid actors. I knew there was a market for kid actors that needed one-on-one coaching. And I had the connections because I was a casting director that has worked with so many kid actors for so many years. And so I just said, look, I'm just gonna send out an email to some of my bet, you know, biggest agents and managers for kids. I knew them all very well. Um, hey, I'm coaching. If you have any actors that are looking for um, because they all went to coaches before their auditions, every single one of them.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

But they are all, you know, there's so many actors and not enough coaches. So there were, there was a need. And within one week, I was booked to the max. I did not have a moment free to myself to the point where I was working from 6 a.m. to 10 p.m. within a month.

SPEAKER_03 18:32

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 18:33

Like it was, it was out of control. So that was my first step.

SPEAKER_02 18:38

I think what you were saying too, about like your job doesn't have to be the thing that you love that like makes you excited to wake up every morning. We I feel like we millennial women especially grew up hearing so much of that. Like, find a job you love and you'll never work a day, or like if you're not excited on Monday morning, find a new job. It's like that, it's bullshit. It's like and then I feel like we get so emotionally invested. And like you were saying, you found it really hard to work with kids when you had kids at home. And like there's just like we were raised to never really have boundaries between work and life, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:12

Totally. I think that you're right. There we like romanticize life so much that we think that we're supposed to like be a movie version of our life. We watched How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days all over the world.

SPEAKER_03 19:24

Literally, how I picked my major in college. You not mortifying. Yeah. Because it's Andy Anderson. I was like, I want to go white right for your for magazine. Sorry. This is like the first time I talked to you, you were like, Oh, you're like Andy Anderson.

unknown 19:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

It's I'm telling you, we all did that. Yeah, yeah. We all watched How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, and we all felt we were Andy Anderson. I just watched it the other day because of course it's like my favorite movie. I have to watch it every time it's on TV. And I feel like we all think that we have to go to work with our best friends and like have those group meetings with all the girls, take your shoes off and talk to your it's not, that's not reality. Like it's just not reality. Yeah. But most jobs have shitty days. And ideally, you're supposed to enjoy the generality of what you're doing, but sometimes it takes like seven steps to get there. And I'm never gonna be happy in what I do forever. I'm always gonna need to pivot. I just know that about myself, even with what I do, which we'll get to, I'm pivoting in it. So this was a perfect step to show A, I can do it, B, I can make money and get myself out of the hole, which I did real fast. And C, it taught me the skills to use Instagram and social media, which I did to create word of mouth marketing. I was the one of the first acting coaches that this was 2017, 18, that was using Instagram to really market the acting coaching. There was a lot of actor coaches, but they were using just their website, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:00

Yeah.

Hitting Financial Rock Bottom

SPEAKER_01 21:00

I was on Instagram creating, I don't even think it was reels at the time. I think I was just using stories, a lot of Instagram stories. In fact, one of my best friends was a food blogger. And I became very close with her because I loved her food content. And she's a local Sherman Oaks mom. And now our kids go to school together. We're very close. But I reached out to her because I loved her food and I loved her content. And she taught me through her stories. I was like, oh, this is how you use stories to connect with your audience. I get it now. So I'm going to do this to connect with not the kids that I was coaching, but their moms. Are you talking about Gabby, by the way? No, I love Gobi, but it's actually her name is Life is But a Dish. Okay. Her name is Lainey. You guys have to follow her. I love her. What's Gobi cooking is also someone I follow. She's also like a Studio City mom. Yeah. Um, but her kids are a lot younger than mine. But yeah, it's like that. She's friends like Hillary Duff. She's friends with a lot of like other moms in the neighborhood. But um I just realized, like, I got it. I was like, you just have to talk to the people. You have to give them free tips, free coaching online, and then they're gonna come to you. It's it was so obvious to me. But no one was really doing that. And then I started a podcast called The Young Actor's Guide. And I did a 50 episode podcast helping moms, mostly moms, but dads too, across the country and world, how to get an agent, how to audition properly, how to this, how to that. And I would audition young actors and I would audition agents, and I'm not audition interview. I was doing all these things that I just don't think were being done for actors. And then, like it was like, I don't know how to explain how perfect the timing was. But in 2019, December of 2019, I went to Thailand with my family for my mom's 70th birthday. And we're all on the beach in Phuket. I'm probably like four drinks down, and I'm walking the beach with my husband, and I'm just like thinking, and I was saying how I'm getting bored. I'm getting bored doing this. Like I'm feeling it. I it's never been really a passion of mine. It's been great. He's like, no, don't do this, Donna, don't do this. Because he knows he panics. He trusts me, but the money was great. Yeah. And he's like, don't do this. And I said, I just don't feel passionate. I think I want to stop doing this. And he's like, I don't know, I don't know. And I really wrestled. I wrestled back and forth. And then in February of 2020, I just called it. I was like pilot season, which is like a big thing for actors, where pilots, tons of auditions. And I said, guys, I'm really sorry, I'm gonna tell you this, but I'm not gonna be auditioning, I'm not gonna be coaching actors anymore. And people lost their minds. It was like a big thing. People were really sad. And then COVID. And there wouldn't have been one audition for me to help. I would, I would have been out of work. Yeah. So it worked out perfectly because what I ended up doing was I took everything I was doing and I pivoted to most likely most, mostly moms who were sitting at home and wanted to build their businesses like I did from home on Instagram, creating video content on stories, et cetera. So a lot of home cooks, a lot of home bakers, a lot of home uh gardeners, a lot of people that wanted to build online courses, a lot of people, you know what I mean? Yeah. And that's that's that was my second pivot. And then and then you went into daily dose after that. So I was doing that for about a year. And then people wanted to learn about how to start a podcast. So I started a podcast called Show Up on Video. And my podcast was all about creating video content. But then people were asking about creating a podcast. So in my show up on video course, I was teaching podcast content. Now, January 2023 is where Daily Dose of Donna started. I'm walking my dogs and I'm feeling lack of like motivation or or excitement. I'm doing that same freaking walk of death, right? It's that walk like on the beach in Phuket where I'm like, I'm bored with teaching the same old thing. Because the truth is, if you don't have it, you don't have it. If you can't be on video, if you can't talk like passionately, it was hard to teach people to do it if they didn't know how to do it. And I was sick of like teaching people how to podcast and then they wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_02 25:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

It was hard for me, you know? So I thought to myself, I love the toast podcast so much. I listen to them all the time, but they talk about people that I don't know who they are. Like I'm too old for the toast. Because they're talking about these celebrity influencers, or like, I mean, they're 30, 32 years old. I'm 44. So I felt like they I needed a daily podcast that talked to people about things that I understood and I would want to know about. So I just decided I'm gonna do a daily podcast. I'm so embarrassed to even talk about it, but I'm gonna do it. It's gonna be about everything I like. So reality shows, documentaries, whatever. And I just announced it on my stories. It was so out of left field, and 18 people listened to my first episode.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

But 18 people listened, right?

Rebuilding With Coaching And Instagram

SPEAKER_01 26:23

That's your yeah, and I think like three of them were my family. Oh, that's nice. But I was so just like, why not? Because I was obsessed with all those things. Yeah. And why not just have that outlet for fun? In addition, like it wasn't gonna be a moneymaker. It was just gonna be my fun outlet just to give me something to be excited, excited about every day. Yeah. And then I came back on Monday. That was a Friday. I came back on Monday and did it again. I didn't do it on YouTube. I just did it for audio. And then I started going live on TikTok. So I would have my TikTok phone here, like on the side, and I'd have like 20 people live on TikTok every day. But I would just talk, you know, and and record it on the video. I mean, on the audio. And then it would be like 30 people live on TikTok and then like a hundred people live on TikTok. And then eventually one of my um followers said, You would kill it on YouTube. And I was like, What? No way. I'm like, I've tried YouTube. Two people watch YouTube. But somehow one of my YouTube shows, it wasn't a live show, like I I uploaded it later, just hit the algorithm and got like exploded and off to the races.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

That's awesome. Can I go back and ask you something about when you were in the hole? Because finances are something that like couples struggle with so much. I like, isn't it like the number one fight that causes divorce? How did you talk to Lance about it? Like, did he know that you were doing all this stuff when you're like, oh shit, I'm in debt. I have to get out. Was he like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah. So Lance and I have a really interesting arrangement. Like, we have a joint account that we both put in money and we both pay for like mortgage and and all our, you know, most of the utilities. Some come out of my, we never like really talked about it. Some come out of mine, some come out of his, but I have money from prior to our marriage, and I have income from prior to our marriage that still comes in, and he has income from prior to the marriage that still comes in that he has a business, like a business account that is separate. So I don't have to go to him and like ask him to buy things. We don't have that kind of relationship. We I talk to him about big purchases and stuff, but I like that I have the autonomy that I can just kind of do and buy as I please. But yeah, I mean, he's concerned because he looks at it still like, well, your money is my money. And if you're in debt, like we're in debt. Yeah. You're gonna have we're both in debt. Sure. And if he's in debt, we're in debt. So like, yeah, we did. But I, yeah, I kind of hid to an extent there. He wasn't happy about it. Like it wasn't, he wasn't cool with it. I think he's at a place now where he knows I'm very good with money. I clearly wasn't in that moment, but I think he knows now. I have a very smart mind with money that I've developed. I used to not. I used to be very panicky about money. My grandfather was a Holocaust survivor, and I come from four of them. But my grandfather was, yeah. So my grandfather, though, my mom's dad, who was like my main grandfather growing up, was so panicked about money because he came from zero and then really developed a good life for himself that he instilled a very like money-anxious mindset in my life. And because of that, I think I grew up very anxious about money, but now I'm in a place where I've really developed a very like comfortable, um, healthy place where I really do feel like money is going to come to us. Like work hard and feel, I know this sounds like really strange, but I think I've done enough work to myself to know that I feel confident that as long as we continue to work hard and put our heads down and like put the energy towards it, I know that I will continue to bring in money. And I've proven him right. Like, so I don't know if he can be that scared anymore because he keeps saying, like, how in the world are you doing this?

SPEAKER_03 30:36

Well, you probably have proved it to yourself too, right? Where you're like, oh, I'm in the hole, I'm bad with money, but it's like, oh, you made it back and it's not a big deal. And then you went to the next thing and the next thing. And so it's like just knowing how to pivot and when to pivot.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Yeah, I mean, it's not always been easy. It still isn't always easy. I have two kids, we live in LA, you know, like everything is so expensive. It's not like we're, you know, what is the um duck tails or whatever when they're just like living in gold. Yeah. Like at all. Like we're still definitely struggling in the in the grand scheme of life, you know, it's not easy. But it's it's like amazing how when you find something that you know that you're good at and that you, it's like the flow, right? The flow of it. Because everything is working in a in the right direction, you know? Totally.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

I also feel like the ability to pivot is such a skill that not everyone has, and it sounds like you're really good at that.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Are some people not good at pivoting? Yeah. I don't think everything's like people are really bad at it. Yeah. What is it? Do you think that they're just like un like unflexible or they're scared?

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Or what do you think? I definitely think there's a flexibility thing at work. I think there's fear, and I think there's people who are just too rigid with their plans. And I think when something kind of changes the plans, they can't really like roll with the punches.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

Like a creative mindset, too, because it you have to be like, okay, I did this and I can apply it over here.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Like, yeah. I want to women are probably better at pivoting by and large. I I would imagine women are better at a lot of things we say. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's true. Um, but you know, you're you know, you're right because when my husband has gone through some struggles in his career, and when I say struggles, I just mean like his industry. So my husband is in the industry, he's a camera operator. And that business is so bad, right? It's like so, so bad right now. And he has two sides of the business. He's on set doing camera, but when he doesn't have on set work, thank God he also has a camera rental house with, you know, stages and gear. But if the business is bad, that is bad too, because it's all related to the same industry. And I always say to him, like, what's the plan B if the industry fails? And I don't know if he's able to think outside the box in that way. You're right. He has great skills, but I think he's just so honed in on that one industry. He's not like really capable of being like, well, where can I take that?

SPEAKER_03 33:10

Yeah, and thinking ahead, he'll figure it out if he needs to, I'm sure. But it's like or you live on the street. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Um, so you come from four Holocaust survivors? Yeah. Like, what? Can you tell us more about that? Because I I've seen your posts about we talked about this before, but about you know, being unapologetically Jewish. And that was a new term for me because I didn't know that you had to be apologetically Jewish. Like, but I've been hearing this more and more that people are kind of hiding that they're Jewish or don't feel comfortable speaking about it. Can you tell us about that?

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SPEAKER_01 33:46

So being Jewish uh was never I'm born and raised, like I said, here in Los Angeles. Los Angeles, New York City, Chicago, these big cities are filled with Jews. Uh not just, you know, Orthodox Jews when you think of Jew Orthodox, you know, with the hats and the suits and the, you know, but just reformed Jews like me, that you would just never even know were Jewish, you know, whatever. But filled with them. I grew up around so many Jews. Like it was so normal. And I grew up watching TV with so many Jewish characters, right? Seinfeld, Kerbier Enthusiasm, like Jews were everywhere around me. I never thought anything different about Jews. I was friends with Jews, I was friends with non-Jews. Like it was never thought. I grew up going to the bar mitzvahs every weekend, you know, it was like so normal. I had the idea anti-Semitism was a thing, just like I had the idea racism was a thing. Uh, Asian hate was a thing. All kinds of homophobia was a thing, but I never thought that there was so much hate towards Jews as I saw after October 7th. Obviously, there was this massive, massive attack against Israel. And I was public, a public figure already doing my show. And October 7th happened. My mom was in Israel. So I come from an Israeli family. My mom is Israeli. She was born in Israel. She moved here to the States when she was 18 or 19 years old. My dad uh was born in actually Transylvania. That's crazy. But he would, that's a whole other story that I come from a vampire. But he um he also grew up in Haifa, same little city in Israel. So since he was like one or two. So I basically come from two Israeli parents, also moved to the states in his early 20s. So technically, I'm Israeli American, right? Like I'm an Israeli-American Jew, even though I was born here in Los Angeles. And I've been to Israel many times in my life. I consider Israel a beautiful place, a wonderful place. And I was just there in 2023. We were there two months before October 7th. But my mom's mom lived in Israel. She has since died. She died actually two weeks after the attacks. But she, my mom was in Israel on October 7th. So when that happened, we were petrified for her safety, in addition to, of course, so many other people. I go on my show on October 9th. I go live on YouTube. And right after October 7th, immediately, and I don't know if people that aren't Jewish uh uh saw it as much as people that were affected by this. There was already, before any attacks back in Gaza, before any um, you know, retaliation even started, there were already massive protests against Israel. Uh, Israel's committing a genocide in Australia. There's big protests, gas the Jews. Like it was around the country, around the world. There was already a ton of anti-Jewish protests and massive globalize the intifada, which means attack Jews. It's from the river to the sea, which means basically Palestine will be free. Those kinds of those kinds of um chants, if you don't know what those mean, that means uh take out Israel. Like Israel should not exist at all. There should not be a Jewish state. Now, this is a very, very like big conversation. I don't want to get deep, but I it was very scary as a Jewish person to see so quickly within 24 hours when Israeli Israel was just ravaged like that and there were still bodies on the ground, that Israel was all of a sudden getting vilified like this and Jews. And I'm going live on YouTube and I'm seeing in my comments, you know, you, you're the problem, you like coming at me.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

And I'm sitting here and you, it's on camera, and I'm crying on camera because I'm just worried about my mom's safety, and people are coming at me that I'm the attacker, that I kill babies, that you know, you're the problem, you're a Jew, you're a Jew, you're a Jew. And it scared the living shit out of me. I didn't realize how much hate there were against Jews and Israel under like underground. And this day brought it to the surface, right? So then it turned into all the college encampments and the big, you know, free Palestine protests around the world. Every single day, every single place, you know, now it still continues. There's attacks against Jews. Every single day, there's a new attack, small attack, whether it's a little stabbing or a big massacre in Australia at Bondi Beach just the other day. It is terrible. And Jews are truly scared for their lives right now. So anti-Semitism is a scary thing, and we have to be strong as Jews. I mean, it's just like any other minority, you know, but this is a really scary time to be Jewish, and a lot of Jews feel alone. A lot of Jews feel like people are conflating being Jewish with like supporting Israel, and there's a difference, but Jews don't feel like they're being supported as just a people religion, you know? Not every Jewish person equals the Israeli government. And that is a big difference, you know? So it's very scary for people like me who are just trying to raise a 13-year-old and a 10-year-old Jewish boys, boys at home. And, you know, we have this big, like inflatable Hanukkah decoration that my son is dying to put on our front yard. And I told him, like, I don't want to do it. And it's so sad. That's really scary. There was a shooting outside of a home, you know, an hour away from our house because they had Hanukkah decorations and a car drove by and shot outside of their house. Like it's scary. Yeah. Scary times.

SPEAKER_03 39:54

My son, we were, I don't know, Czar, if I've told you this story, but when we were going to Target to get Christmas lights, he kept grabbing a menorah and he's like, Mom, we don't have one, we need one. And I was like, Okay, well, let's go to Goodwill. I'll get you one there. And he's like, and we went back again. And he's like, Mom, we haven't gotten one yet. And I was like, okay. And then we had our teacher conference with his teachers, and they're like, Yeah, you know, he mentioned, I can't really remember, but anyway, he told his class that he's Jewish, that he celebrates Hanukkah. And he was, he came home. I think actually he told us, and he's like, Yeah, we celebrate Hanukkah. Hanukkah, and we're like, buddy, we don't. Like, we're not like a religious household, but like we celebrate Christmas. And he was devastated. Like, oh my God. And so then I wonder if he saw like a cartoon. They were talking about because they do celebrations of each, like, they just did their Kwanzaa celebration last week. And so they were talking a lot about Hanukkah. And so he was just devastated. And so I was like, How do you become Jewish? Because we were over at our friend's house, and they like one of the moms is Jewish. And she was like, Oh, you have to marry in to be Jewish. You can't just be asked to be in it. And is that true? Because I was like, No, like you're okay. So you can convert, but yeah, you can convert.

SPEAKER_01 41:09

You can totally convert. Um, but also like my husband's not Jewish, and he's as Jewish as can be. I don't really fully, I I actually like I'm not a religious Jew at all, at all. And I I never forced my husband to convert. Technically, if you have Jewish, if you're a Jewish mother, your kids are automatically Jewish because it passes through the mother. So I didn't really care that my husband wasn't because like I'm like, my kids are gonna be Jewish no matter what. Yeah. My husband loves the Jewish traditions and the culture. But you know what? Maybe your maybe your son was like a Jew in a past life. Maybe.

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SPEAKER_03 41:45

I'm like feeling it. Why should and and somebody husband asked him, he's like, Do you just want to be Jewish because you get presents for, you know, there you go, seven nights? And he goes, No. And we're like exactly eight nights. See, I don't so then I was like, well, maybe we do like start learning about these different things because you know, we have very Christian friends, and they came over talking to him about hell and like all of this stuff. And he's like, What is that? And I'm like, okay, now we have to have a con. He's like, and they're talking about God, and I'm like, okay, we have to start having some heavy conversations at five. Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:16

You know, Hanukkah's actually such a beautiful holiday, and it's so, it's like not depressing. There's no negative, and it's actually it's all about like let there be light and how light kind of gets kept them through, and it's a lot of oily foods because oil, light. So there's donuts and latkas, which is fried potato pancakes, basically. It's a high process here.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

Maybe we'll just like it's actually really nice. Like he clearly is very like he still talks about Honukas. I'm like, okay, maybe we'll, maybe I'll go get that menorah for him. And it's like fun.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

You play the, you spin the dreidel and you eat the chocolate gelt, which is like the chocolate covered coins. Okay. I you know, like randomly picked those up the other day.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

So maybe there is something like he's giving me vibes. Okay. You're one of us. Welcome to the camp. Thank you. Thank you. I know you have to get ready for your show. And I could talk to you for hours and hours and hours. So I I mean, you've coached a lot of people and you've done a lot of things. Something that, you know, we see a lot in talking to moms right now is people being scared to like leave their jobs and stay at home. Zara stays at home, but she works for herself. So she's like both. And I stay at home, but then I accidentally started a business. And so it's one of those things where I don't know, it's were you ever just staying at home? Like not working, other than like lunching and all of that stuff when you got in the hole, which sounds like it was a short period of time, but other than that, where you're like, nope, I'm just gonna walk away from everything and be a stay-at-home parent.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

No, yeah, because that's it's just not in my, it's not in my um blood. And even when I'm like, I and I say this honestly, it's it's so hard. Like, I don't I mean, I do everything that a stay-at-home mom does because I don't have help other than once a week. I do have once a week someone that comes and cleans my home. But other than that, I do everything that a stay-at-home mom does now. My kids are older, so they don't need as much, but I drive them around. I do all the cleaning, uh, the weekly cleaning. I do all the laundry, I do all the dishes, I do all the cooking, I do all the shopping, I do everything. I I need to do something for myself. I need to do something creative. I need this. Like, and my community, they give me so much back. Like I love, I love making money. I love connecting with my audience. I love, I'm obsessed with what I do that I think I would be so resentful myself if I didn't. Now I'm not judging anyone that does because everyone enjoys hopefully whatever they're doing in their lives. But I love the fact that like social media allows for even people that stay at home to be creating content online. Like, that's the thing, is so many people are on TikTok now and be able to make aside money just from talking about whatever they're excited about, you know, or passionate about true crime or pop culture or even cleaning tips, cooking tips.

SPEAKER_02 45:05

Yeah, so many of us are kind of in between, right? Like not exactly stay-at-home moms, not exactly working moms.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Yeah, it's just working with your soul. I've yeah, I follow so many stay-at-home moms on TikTok and I find them so like fascinating. I love watching their day in their lives. I love watching them because I find them like I don't want to actually like working moms that go to work every day, they're not gonna have time to give me good content. Like stay-at-home moms are the ones that have the time to take us on their day. I want to go see what they're buying at Target. Like, I want to go with them on their day, and they're making probably pretty decent money doing it.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

So it's a win-win. That that is my big question I have. As a content creator, do you make good money? Because there's like all of these things around where it's like quit your job and become a TikToker or a podcaster or whatever. Zara and I have been doing this podcast for a little while. We're not monetized, we don't do ads or any of that stuff. But can you make good money like realistically for anybody listening? What does that look like? Like a range. I don't know if you want to talk.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Yeah. No, I don't say to anyone to get into this business to make money because I think it's a needle in a haystack type of situation. I don't know how in the world I got this lucky. I got lucky. I would have not been able to quit my other work in terms because I was still taking on clients. I was still taking on one-on-one coach coaching jobs for the first, I would say, eight months to nine months of doing this podcast, maybe even close to a year until I said, like, I don't need this anymore. And the reason why I got so lucky is because I I just hit jackpot. I don't know when I say jackpot, it's not like I literally became a millionaire. I got lucky, I hit something where I developed a great community. So I make money from a variety of different places. My income streams come from YouTube views, which is YouTube like AdSense, right? So you get an uh a certain amount of money from YouTube. That's a little piece of the pie, right? Like imagine a pie. So I'm getting a uh and that goes up and down. Like January, February, March of this year was much higher because Blake Lively stuff was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Yeah.

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SPEAKER_01 47:20

And my views were out of control every day because people were tuning in like crazy people for the updates on Blake Lively. Since that it's tempered, but then I'll have, you know, big days, like I hate to say it, it's so sad, but the Rob Reiner murder is, you know, those are crazy. I can't even, I mean beyond. But stuff like that, when huge breaking news happens, you'll have a few days of high numbers. You'll have big things that go viral. So it it varies, right? You can't really guarantee a number, but that's a piece. Then I then I have a Patreon, right? I have a Patreon subscription. I remember I have been for a long time. Oh, that's awesome. Okay, so I have two tiers of Patreon, right? So I have my lower tier, which is just a weekly additional content, and then I have my upper tier, which is once a month Zoom happy hour, in addition to that. So that's a chunk. And that's pretty regular numbers. Okay. So now I have two chunks. Then I have my TikTok, which is also variety, but that I really can't guarantee. Yes, TikTok changes their amounts of how much they give you, and sometimes. So it's so like nothing. It's like sometimes great, sometimes not and meta too. Like, I don't get paid through Instagram, but Facebook sometimes gives you good, sometimes not. So it's that's just like if I get a bonus, great. I never would rely on it. I think if you're a huge creator on TikTok, you can like really do well. Yeah. Yeah. Or like a Bethany type person where you're getting hundreds of thousands or millions everyone's honey.

SPEAKER_03 48:51

Her content cracks. She's out of control. She is. She's out of control. I I love the guy who does Manic or Mother Bethany addition. I know. It's so good. It's so good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Um, and then, but the biggest chunk of my income is through my host red ads and my programmatic ads. So I am lucky enough that my numbers are high enough that I got, you know, an ad agent. That's great. Yeah, they're great. So once you hit a certain amount of impressions and you're getting a certain amount of views that an agent wants to take you on. I mean a manager, an agent, brand manager, basically, they hook me up with ad reads. And those are the companies, you know, that I'm reading every day. So AG1, Ollie Dog Food, you know, Lola Blankets, whatever it is that week. I do the host red ad, and then I get paid my most amount of money per month. It comes from that. And then I also get programmatic ads, which is actually a fair good amount of money. Those are those commercials that come in before the show starts in the middle of the show. Shockingly, that's a pretty decent number too, because the more listens you get. So I'm getting like five to six income streams a month. That's great. And yeah, that's and it adds up. Totally.

SPEAKER_03 50:12

And I know you have to go get ready for that right now. You have like a minute left. If you were going to give, you know, a mom advice on becoming an entrepreneur, what is something you wish somebody told you or that you would tell somebody?

SPEAKER_01 50:29

There's so many pieces of advice. But I would say truly, okay, where can I start? Okay, here's a few pieces. If I would start, if I I would say this don't expect that your friends are gonna support you online because you will not see the support online. There are very few real life friends of mine that give me daily likes and shares and comments. In fact, I think almost zero. I have one or two of my real life friends that are in consistently in my comments. Almost none of my real life friends are in my likes, comments. Okay. They watch all my stories. They never like my shit. It's the most hard thing to understand when you first start out online because you expect them to. It's very strange when you first start sharing yourself self online in a capacity that's not just like you sharing your kids. Yeah. They're like, they don't know how to handle it. It's almost like they're embarrassed for you or something. Do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 51:31

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:32

They're like, wait, why is she trying to be something other than just her? Uh so don't even expect it. It's not personal, I don't think. And and just move on from that. Don't compare yourself to people that have been doing this for a while. That was my biggest issue. I used to feel like, why aren't I getting more likes? Why aren't I getting more follows? And then also, the bigger you are, the more people are gonna hate you. I have Reddit sub against me. I really call me Oh, yeah. I have people that call me all the horrible names in the world, especially because I say what I feel. Yeah. And I, like I said, I'm unapologetic about being Jewish. I talk about my opinions. When you're honest about who you are and what you believe, it's a two-headed snake. I mean, not two-headed snake, I guess it's a pros and cons, right? Yeah. You develop a massive community of lovers that are obsessed with you because you're saying what you believe and they're like, oh my God, you're taking the words out of my mouth. Yeah. But you're gonna develop a bunch of people that are so triggered by you. You're very polarizing. Yeah. It's Bethany. It's Bethany. Yeah. Honestly, that's why so many people love or hate Bethany, but look at how much she's yeah, grown.

SPEAKER_03 52:45

Yeah. Oh, I thought of you. I was watching on TikTok. Craig was on Watch What Happens live last night. His hands, his hands. I couldn't stop thinking about it. I was like, I had never noticed how small they are. Why are they so small? Yeah. I was like, oh my gosh. I was like, she's she's not wrong. I was like, where's the wrong with his hands?

SPEAKER_01 53:05

Someone's missing one pinky. Like one of his pinkies is small. Okay. But the other ones, like, I was my I showed it to my husband because my husband's always been like a little jealous of my obsession with Craig. And I showed it to my husband. He said, I bet his dick looks so big in those hands. This is Paige's Craig we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Paige's ex. Page is old. Yeah. I said Paige probably gets the biggest ick if she looks at that with those.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

I was saying that. I was like, I'm sure she's got the biggest ick watching him on there last night. And like you imagine like when he holds his drink. It's like it's like your Craig hands.

SPEAKER_01 53:43

So you have to look at it. It's so weird.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

Have you been watching this season? Because he's back to his old Craig, Craig ways, and he is uh not doing himself any favors.

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SPEAKER_01 53:52

He needs to not drink. Yeah. He's not good with alcohol. I hate to say it, but like Craig is best sober. Yeah. He doesn't want to admit it. He's like, he said, I'll watch what happens live. I earned my drinks. I'm like, no, no one earns drinks when you act like an ass.

SPEAKER_03 54:07

It's like that lady who just got arrested in San Francisco. Did you guys see those videos going around? When she like when she, oh, sorry, you gotta look up San Francisco like drunk woman or something. But she like, it's all videotaped and she, you're like, oh, you're clearly an alcoholic or bench drinker. Like, you shouldn't have alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 54:24

Like, what about the cold play CEO woman? Today she said that she blames what happened at the concert on bad decisions and high noons. Oh, geez. I've had high noons.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

I don't think I've done that. Yeah. Bad decisions. Or maybe just like an affair. Just be like, yeah, we had an affair. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Not your high noons, girl.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:48

Well my gosh. Thank you so much for being here, Zara. Do you have more questions before we I have one more question for you?

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Yeah. Being that you've worked in entertainment for so long, if either of your kids came to you and said that they wanted to pursue a career in entertainment, what would your answer be?

SPEAKER_01 55:05

No, no. My son, my oldest son, I was just at his play last night. He's a musical theater lover. He had a Broadway-themed bar mitzvah. He is obsessed with musicals, literally watches them all the time, like when he has a chance. That's his Christmas present. I'm totally uh spoiling it right now, but I bought him a big Christmas like show package for the Pantages Theater here in Los Angeles. This kid has the chops, okay? As a former casting director, I can tell you this kid can get an agent. I'm friends with agents that want to represent him. He can do it. And I would never allow it. Never. This is not a business that I would ever feel comfortable for my kid to be in. If you want to put your kid in, I will let allow you to do it. But I will not put my kid in if he's 18 and chooses he wants to go down that route. Sure. And I would let him do it 100% in school and for fun, like musical theater classes and you know, like local town theater or whatever. Sure, but not as a business, not missing school and running around to audition. It's so, it's like so not the world I want for my kid.

SPEAKER_03 56:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good answer. I you see the Macaulay Cookins of the world, and I was watching an interview with him, and I'm like, oh, that poor kid.

SPEAKER_01 56:19

Like and he turned out shockingly okay.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

Yeah.

unknown 56:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:24

But there's so many kids that don't turn out okay. Like the Amanda Bynes of it all.

SPEAKER_03 56:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Or dead. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:32

You know, how many, how many die?

SPEAKER_01 56:34

You know?

SPEAKER_03 56:35

It's interesting to think too. We're talking to this woman, Fortessa, coming on soon, where she she's a journalist who talks about mom influencers who like involve their kids in the content and how there's no regulations really around it, except in certain states. And it'll be interesting to see how that all turns out as like kids are content creators from literally the moment they come out.

SPEAKER_01 56:56

There was a documentary about this recently. Influencer or something. Yeah, go check it out. And then I always think about that. And I always think about the um definitely watch that. It was also also there was a big thing about this Piper girl, like a oh, I've heard about her. It was a whole documentary. She's like a big YouTube, and her mom got a YouTuber, TikToker, and her mom ended up getting like in sh in trouble for like abusing the kids that were in the doc YouTubers. You guys, it's wild. It's a it's a total unre-regulated industry. Yeah. Yeah. It's what about the um the mom that ended up getting arrested? Ruby Frankie. Yes. That whole thing is crazy. I feel that way when I look at a lot of these influence influencer moms, I'm always thinking, what's happening when that camera turns off? I know. They're too happy.

SPEAKER_03 57:48

I was watching some show where it was like, I don't know if they were like, oh my gosh, maybe they're probably Mormon or something. I don't know. It was this family that they had like six or twelve kids and they moved to Brooklyn and they had their kids busking on the street to pay for their rent. Have you heard about this? And I was like, they recently got got their show canceled. I'll find it and I'll send it to you all later because it was crazy. They were like, well, we can't make money, so you have to make six thousand dollars by busking on the street all day, like playing the violin. Yeah, isn't that crazy? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

No, it's it should be illegal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

Well, thank you so much for being here. I'm excited to hear what goes on in the Blake stuff. We didn't even get into any of the Blake and all of it.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

We'll have to let's do a chapter two. We'll do chapter two.

SPEAKER_03 58:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 58:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Thanks for having me, ladies. Thanks, Donna. And we'll link you in the show notes, but anyone listening, the daily dose of Donna.

unknown 58:39

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SPEAKER_01 58:40

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SPEAKER_03 58:47

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SPEAKER_01 58:48

Thank you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Bye.