Mom Talk | Summer House Reunion: It's Giving Pathy with Zara, Sam & Special Guest Katie Beach

Episode Summary
Sam, Zara, and guest Katie Beach (@katiebeach, content creator and co-host of Just Us Girls) go deep on the Summer House three-part reunion — and they are not letting anyone off easy. From the Amanda and West emotional affair and beta blocker gate, to Kyle's financial situation, Ciara’s dignity, and West's pattern of gaslighting women of color, this episode covers every layer. They also get into GLP-1 culture postpartum, raising sons in the age of the manosphere, and why Bravo is genuinely a sociological study in disguise.

Episode Description

Sam and Zara are joined by content creator and Just Us Girls podcast co-host Katie Beach for a full Summer House reunion autopsy — and honestly, we have so many questions that still aren't answered.

Do you believe nothing physical happened between Amanda and West? Because we don't. We're breaking down the beta blocker situation, Amanda's persistent victim complex, the way she said "you don't deserve a friend like me" to Ciara (girl — wrong direction), and why West Wilson may just be the most dangerous man in the room precisely because he performs feminism so loudly.

We also talk about: Kyle's DJ era hitting different now that we know about the $2.9M loan, the Raquel/Ariana parallel that is impossible to unsee, why the Plan Bree podcast about West's friend is sending us, and what it actually means that West gave Amanda everything he told Ciara he wasn't capable of giving — after two years.

Plus: raising sons after watching this reunion (terrifying), being postpartum in a GLP-1 world, why Bravo fans are actually the most intelligent women in any room, and our predictions for what happens next with Amanda and West. Spoiler: Sam thinks they're getting married. Katie thinks Kyle and Amanda are getting back together. We're all just waiting.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome back, everybody. We are here today. It's Zara Sam and we have Katie Beach with us. We're so excited. We're going to be talking a lot about Summerhouse. Somehow this has turned into a Summerhouse recap podcast, but you know, we just talk about what is on our feeds and what's interesting to us. And right now that is very much Summerhouse. So, Katie, do you want to introduce yourself a little bit more?

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Yeah, absolutely. First of all, let me say in your defense, I could also talk about Summerhouse for weeks and

Welcome And Summer House Obsession

SPEAKER_00 0:31

years at this point. There's so much to talk about. But yes, hello. My name is Katie Beach. I am a motherhood and lifestyle content creator and recently uh joined as a co-host to a podcast, Just Us Girls, where we also have some fun other girly conversations. But I'm so excited to be here and to chat Summerhouse.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

So yeah, three-part reunion. I was I was actually thinking yesterday, I was like, what am I gonna think about when this season is over? And then you see that they're doing another bonus episode. So we have one more week to milk of this. I know, so thankful. So thankful. I know. Well, because also, I mean, like Lindsay said, like nothing was really answered.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Do you all believe them when they say nothing physical happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:19

I

Emotional Affair Or Something Physical

SPEAKER_00 1:20

can see nothing physical happening, but I think I don't know what you two think. I definitely think an emotional affair is worse, and especially one that has spanned. It definitely was spanning last summer. So I think considering the fact that for over a year they were having an emotional affair, I think that is so much worse than a physical affair.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

I think it was physical. You do not hold your friends like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

That's so true.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Like, could you imagine? I can't even, even if you're having an emotional affair, could you imagine just embracing, you know, that that at the bottom of the stairs where she's crying and you know, he's embracing the back of her head. To me, that was so intimate. That was not friendship, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

So intimate, yeah. And I think uh Mia pointed it out last night too, like when he grabbed her and kind of like was so close to her breast. Like I remember seeing time, but then playing it back. So wild, like that he felt that comfortable. And even in the beginning of the season, like I remember when rumors were swirling whether or not this was going on, it was, you know, parallel to the episode where her and Kyle had gotten in the fight, she was in the bathroom. Wes came into the bathroom, which I feel like even coming into the bathroom is such an intimate thing to do, like for a man to just feel comfortable. Like, I can't imagine any of my husband's friends ever doing that and it being okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

Yeah, and it's I was gonna say Kyle saying, Kyle saying she's seen more or she's seen more of you in the last six months than she like she and I have seen of each other. To me, that was very telling. So I'm like, okay, this started six months ago. So I think the emotional started way before that personally.

SPEAKER_02 3:01

Just gonna say the way Lindsay and Kyle kept like touching each other's knees and like just kind of offering that supportive touch, that felt so different than everything with West and Amanda. That truly felt like we have been friends for so long. I am just putting my hand on you to show you that I am in your corner and that I am here to support you. Whereas with West and Amanda, it just the energy was just so different.

SPEAKER_00 3:26

Yeah, absolutely. I think Kyle and Lindsay feel like siblings and they've like it that permeates too. Like in their conversations, you really feel like they just have each other's back. Whereas with Amanda and West, it never felt that way. It felt so personal. And I don't know if it's because like the difference in history, who do Wes just seems to be as a person? Uh, but it also Amanda, Amanda seems to like, I think, the attention from a lot of guys. Like when they I don't think we really harped enough about with um Ben how she was like saying how she loved the attention that Ben was trying to sleep with her. Like, we didn't even get to touch on that during the reunion. Why was that not brought up?

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Did you see Ben's face when she goes, I'm not a cheater, and then they cut to Ben's face? Because you know the rumor. You were sleeping with Ben in Italy, and I'm like, Yeah, he could dispel everything and just be like, I slept with Amanda in Italy, so you are a cheater. Because the way they panned to his face, he was like, Like, I don't know, I wish we had it to look at right now because I was like, I was watching it with my husband and I was like, Did you see that? Did you see that look? So there's this rumor, and he's like, Yeah, this is yeah. We were, I mean, I was yeah, I thought it was a riveting reunion. What did you all think in general?

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Yeah, agree.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Yeah, I I definitely think I was addicted to it. I just I think what made me so frustrated at the end, I still feel unfulfilled. I don't know if the bonus episode is going to help at all. I truly don't think it's going to, because I think Wes and Amanda just seem so determined to lie to us all that I don't think I could feel satiated because I don't believe anything they say. So, you know, like I don't know if they got physical. I don't know how long this is going on. I I just feel like everything they're doing is a lie. So it just left me being like frustrated almost.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Yeah, there's just no accountability being taken for any of it. I mean, all we got from them is I'm sorry I hurt you, but yeah, well, that's even Amanda talking to Sierra.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

I feel like, you know, that like really toxic boy you dated once that would say, like, you you deserve better than me. And it's just like a line that they give you to like feign accountability. I feel like Amanda said the same thing to shear to Sierra. She was just like, you don't deserve a friend like me. And I like my eye roll was into the next century because I was like, come on, we've all been fed that line before. And I don't know, I just found that so frustrating.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

I thought even that, if she had said, I don't deserve a friend like you, I think that would have landed differently. There was something about the way she said, you don't deserve a friend like me, that I was like, you're you're just really not understanding what you've actually done. No, I think she has a persistent victim complex. Yeah. And do you think, and Katie, as someone who makes content and who is in the public eye in a different way than Sam and I are, do you think there is anything to this whole thing of like Amanda was considered by the public to be the victim for so long? Do you think she has kind of lost her own sense of self and her own sense of place within the narrative

Victim Narrative And Missing Accountability

SPEAKER_02 6:40

because of that?

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Totally. And I can only imagine, you know, I'm just like a smaller content creator, I would say, on platforms. I'm not on a reality TV show. So I can only imagine I because I feel like to some level you have to disassociate when it comes to like hate or speculation and even like the thought of launching and starting to make content, you know, it's so like cringy almost that you have to kind of disassociate and see yourself as a character to an extent, because otherwise, if you overthink it too much, you'll give yourself like the ick. Um, but that's so I can only imagine from the perspective of being on a reality TV show and somebody having a wholly formed vision of you parasocially that is only formed from editing. So I feel like she has to, I don't know. I've honestly felt like ever since Amanda came to the scene, she has kind of been a victim and everything has just happened to her rather than her ever taking charge and accountability in her life. Because I know you were saying, like, your husband was watching the show with you. My husband watches with me too, but he's only really watched probably the past two seasons. So it's so funny because he's like he loves Kyle, and because he doesn't have any historical context into like who is Kyle's husband as a human. Same with Carl, like, whatever they play flashbacks of Carl when he's like on drugs or drinking, like my husband is like, that's Carl? Like, what are you talking about? Carl's like the best guy, he's the man. Um, and I just think though, Amanda persistently like was begging Kyle to date her. Kyle was cheating on her and she knew, and she just like can I think she liked being in that victim spot.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yeah, it's pathological, or as Lindsay would say, it's pathy. Uh, she's a pathy victim. Um but back, Katie, back to your point about Sierra and Amanda talking. I was shocked the lack of emotion from Amanda as Sierra was like crying, and we all felt it in that scene, in that final scene of them hugging and crying and her giving her, like Sarah giving her like the help speech or whatever. You know, you you're kind and you don't deserve this. That whole thing. I I saw somebody else call it like the help speech. Um, but she just had no emotion. There was nothing.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

No emotion. Yeah. And I mean, I was so happy. Andy called out the use of beta blockers because I mean, like, I think that was the most apparent thing from the start of the reunion was just like the cold face, the lack of emotion. Uh, it looked like during the break, she was taking a nap. I'm like, oh my gosh. Like I get in a fight with my husband and I'm like, can't go to sleep. I'm so jacked up. Like, you're on a reunion stage where 10 people are coming at you and you go to the break room and you take a nap. Like the math is not mathing there. So I just feel like I was so happy he called that out because it was not normal. And I think honestly, I don't know if she has a PR team. I think at this point she needs to get one and she should have had one. But it would have done her a lot of favors to cry, to show emotion. Like the fact that she wasn't made everything so much more pathy and like diabolical. Did you guys see Sierra's post about beta blockers too? I saw it this morning. Yeah. I was like, once again, the queen has to remind us she's a nurse.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yeah. So she basically posted on threads saying that beta blockers can block the physical symptoms of anxiety, like the sweaty palms and the shaking, but it isn't gonna dull your emotions like that. So she was basically like, if you guys are using we were on beta blockers as a reason for why you were so cold and detached, that doesn't check out factuality.

Beta Blockers Plus Reunion Body Language

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Yeah, okay. I didn't know that, but I don't think West was. I think he was lying when he said he was because he was talking around it and then Andy asked him again, and he's like, uh, yeah, yeah, I am. Like, I don't think he was. He was sweating. He like it, you could see his pit stains again. I I think West Wilson is a sociopath. Like, truly, I think he's a sociopath. There is something like fundamentally wrong with that person. Um yeah, I just I do think, and Zara knows my thoughts on this, and we can, of course, cut this out, but I think they're on different kinds of drugs. And something that a lot of people don't know when you are on an SSRI, um, and I am not a doctor, this is not medical advice, but when you're on an SSRI, you cannot take things like MOLLE. You cannot take things that impact your serotonin because you can get something called serotonin syndrome, which can actually kill you or blow out your serotonin receptors. Um, and so you're not supposed to be doing that stuff. Like you can't take mushrooms when you're on an SSRI. You can't take ayahuasca, all of these things. I know this because I cannot do those things because I am on an SSRI and I've tried to get off of it so that I can take mushrooms because I love mushrooms or, you know, for medicinal purposes. And you can't do it um without really like messing up your your brain. I don't know how bad it would be, but um to me, something something's not right. Something is like like I don't know. Amanda's always been so emotional. So that to me, watching this, I was like, what is happening? Is this just who she's always been? Or like what is this? Don't you think she's always been so emotional? Do you remember when she would rage at Kyle?

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Yeah, I feel like I was I was trying to remember like another reunion. I mean to be honest though, I feel like what I remember from every reunion, the pattern is that Kyle and Amanda would have a terrible season. Kyle would call her a bunch of names, like it was just, you know, she would be cheating on her. We and then we would get to the reunion and like clockwork, it would be Amanda saying I'm depressed, and Kyle saying she's fixing her depression, and that was the issue in their marriage. So I truly like I feel like I don't even remember anything from previous reunions except that exact conversation over and over again. And but I do kind of feel like I remember her crying.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

I was actually on a flight, they have random episodes of Summer House on the American, like free demon thing. Yeah. I was watching a little bit of the COVID season. Their dynamic was so different. I don't remember. Can you refresh me? So it was the season where they were all locked in the house, and the main drama on that season was the Lu Hannah, Sierra, Amanda, and Hannah Trash and their friendship. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but like Amanda planned this birthday dinner for Kyle, and she had everybody in the house have a different role, and they were like pretending they were at a restaurant and everyone was serving them dinner, and she like planned this whole cute thing for him. It was so different.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Yeah, I mean, I definitely think, Sam, to your point, that something was definitely happening last summer. I just felt so dumb. I don't know about you two, but in the first few episodes, when all we knew was that Amanda was divorcing Kyle because they'd announced it at the beginning of the season. I was watching the first few episodes and I was so proud of her because I was like, look at her finally standing up for herself. Like, she's just she's had it. That's why she's so cold to him now. She's just like finally putting on a big girl panty. She's gonna leave him. Like, could not be more proud. And then, of course, the rumors

Divorce Rumors And Timeline Questions

SPEAKER_00 13:52

break with West Amanda, and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's not because she finally got the strength and the bravery and she was choosing herself, it's because she has another man lined up. Like, that's a hundred percent what it was. Because in every other season, he was treating her equal, if not worse, and she never stood up for herself.

SPEAKER_01 14:10

Yeah. I didn't believe it. I I was like, there is no way she would do that to Sierra. I was like, there is absolutely is I think we talked about it. I was like, there's no way it's gotta be that Aiden guy. Like it's gotta be somebody else. I don't think I thought it was Aiden, but I'm like, there's no way.

SPEAKER_02 14:25

Like well, also there were rumors about Jesse and Amanda at first, too. Do you remember that? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

That that was I feel like that was that would always happen.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Every new guy who joined.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Yeah, I mean, yeah, literally.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yeah, I I thought it was a really sad reunion to watch Kyle. And I am not a Kyle apologist. I think I've turned into a little bit of one because of all of this because I was like, They made us. I just keep thinking about if he was a woman and Amanda was a man in this situation in this and also their entire relationship, not paying for anything, not cleaning up, we would call him a deadbeat. We would be like, what a loser. He's not paying for anything, he's not cleaning up. Like, I honestly think the fight about the trash, Kyle was projecting onto Hannah what he was upset with Amanda about. Like, I I just feel like we would be talking about

Money Pressure And Marriage Double Standards

SPEAKER_01 15:21

like if I don't know, if there was no intimacy, we'd be like, of course she's gonna go flirt. You know, if it I just it drives me nuts because I'm like, if this was a man doing this, we would have so much more or a woman, we'd have so much more sympathy.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

A hundred percent. And I even think about that with like um the infidelity in the relationship, because we all know Kyle has not been faithful throughout their relationship. And once it came out that they weren't intimate for four years, I was like, oh, I need to stop and think about that for a second. Because how do I look at the cheating differently now? Like, is it more I don't want to say cheating's ever warranted, but it's like it's a much different conversation now because every time he had cheated on her, I assumed he was just like stepping out on the marriage. They were still being intimate, all of that. But now knowing that they had been intimate for four years, like that's a freaking long time.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Do you think that was hyperbole though? Do you think it was like, yeah, we haven't had sex for four years, where it's like you're having sex once a month or whatever it is, once every there's no way they didn't consummate their marriage. Like you can't tell me, because they had a pregnancy scare on Winterhouse. Do you think that was just a storyline?

SPEAKER_00 16:31

I I I think a lot of it was a storyline because didn't that also have like a some type of sponsored post attached to it? Did it? I'm pretty sure when people were like there it had to do with like a plan B sponsored post or something. I think it was like an integrated uh that's a conversation I was hearing a lot. So I can't I can't say, you know, legally, but I'm pretty sure from what I've heard that actually was an integration of a product.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Interesting. I actually I didn't watch Winter House.

SPEAKER_02 17:00

Oh, sorry. Yeah, you didn't watch I mean I didn't watch Winter House, so I didn't see that. But yeah, I my take, I think people are taking it too literally when he's saying that there was no intimacy, but I mean, I think it's also I mean, totally could be.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

I think it's hard to say because, you know, think about like to the conversation of public perception of you and how that can change public perception of yourself. Imagine in your marriage, if you're unhappy, but you're a Bravo couple on a TV show together, you have this business that is failing, and you don't want to blow up your image for it. Like, who knows what kind of arrangement they can have behind the scenes of we're gonna stay together because that's what's good for our business, that's what's good for our wallet, we don't have a prenup, all of that. I mean, you know, Paige would talk about it with Craig too. Like she was scared to break up with him for so long because she thought her Bravo career and her influencer life, everything would be over. So I think it's also hard to say because we don't know the conversations they were having revolving around their business decisions in regards to the relationship.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

That's a good point. Yeah. I just keep thinking about if my husband had a $2.9 million personal loan on his head and I wasn't even paying rent. Like, I just don't know why you would marry someone you have so little care for.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Well, and it makes you look at the whole DJing conversation so differently. Like I was the first to make fun of Kyle for being a DJ. Like when Paige dropped that line about like I'm hanging out with your girlfriend while you pretend to be Diplo, like hilarious because it was so true. Like the thought of Kyle being a DJ was such a joke. And now knowing about their financial situations and knowing she wasn't paying any rent, it makes you look at DJing a lot differently because if it's paying his bills, like what are you gonna say there? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

And if he's lonely at home, I I don't want to go home when my husband and I get don't get along. I don't want to be anywhere near him. Like, well, like, why would you want to go home? Whereas if you're out in the public and people are loving you, like he's getting his adoration somewhere, which that is also not great. Like to be real.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

He should never him like spending the night at fans' houses, super questionable and not okay. Like, I don't know what was happening there. I still think like if you're not going to officially end your marriage, you have to be respectful still. And like you can't be doing that. Like, I because I remember when that came out and it was like, oh my gosh, can you imagine your husband spending the night at a fan's house and then saying he didn't do anything? Like, give me a break, but now just knowing what was going on behind the scenes, it's like I just I don't know what to make of it all.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen everyone talk about like usually it's the woman who has a glow up when there's a divorce happening, and now Kyle Cook looks literally like a Ken doll again? I'm like, what happened? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 19:56

I know. I have a friend who works in um PR at Peacock and Bravo, too. And she said that in person. He is the most charming. She's like, he is so attractive in person. Like, I, you know, she would say before um the divorce happened, she's like, I, you know, I get why Amanda likes him. Like, even, you know, all we knew was the cheating and stuff. She was like, I get how she falls for it because he's just, he's really nice, he's really handsome, he has like a glow to him. Like, I mean, he looks great. He looks great.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

And I guess in Amanda's defense, I can also see how when you're with someone like that, how you can feel like I am never gonna find anyone else like this, right? I mean, I don't like saying that because I don't think any woman should ever feel like she can't do better, quote unquote. But I I get it, right? If you're with someone who's that much of a star and you've never really been the one who pulls focus, I understand.

SPEAKER_00 20:53

And yeah, it also seems like she was resentful for it.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 20:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

What were we gonna say, Sam? Uh just that she's now with somebody who's very charming but looks like a teddy gram.

SPEAKER_00 21:05

Like he well, and he's like Kyle 10 years ago. He's like partying all the time, staying up all night. Like, I don't get the charm about West.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

I don't see it at all. Like, I've never I'm like, why are girls like when Sierra was all over him? I'm like, why? I don't see any endearing qualities.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, well, I mean, poor Sierra, she fell for Austin, she fell for West.

SPEAKER_01 21:30

Like, you know, it's like oh God, at least Austin has the height, right? So, like Yes. You can forgive a lot of things for that height.

unknown 21:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

It's I gotta, I gotta believe this is like they have done like Molly together and they just have some weird like fell in love on drugs, you know, like that. I I I just don't I just don't get it otherwise. Cause like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 21:54

I well honestly, I think I I think Lindsay brought it up in the reunion, and I I honestly agree. With her because so when I first was introduced to West, I did not get it either. I was like, what is going on? I would have this debate with my close friends, like they all loved him. I would say, I do not get it. He looks like Robin Williams, you know. Like, I I don't get why everybody thinks he's so hot. The dressing, it just wasn't my style. The whole Sierra thing happened. Obviously, he was on the hate list, blocked from my mind. But then I think slowly he chipped away and came back. And I don't know if it was like his he was so outspoken

The Fake Feminist Charm Problem

SPEAKER_00 22:28

about liberal values and like art and the people on the internet and talking about yeah, being such a feminist. And you know, it gets you because you're like, oh, that's this man sticking up for the same ideals. He's he's being the white man in the room that's gonna say these things. And you know, I fell for it too. I almost my I had a son born in January, almost named him West. Like I not this January distinctly after West. Yeah, I had a baby in January and literally almost named him West. Like that was like a top three name for us. And we we ended up choosing against it. And I'm like, can you imagine how horrible that would be?

SPEAKER_02 23:05

But that's also like the most dangerous kind of guy who the one who is going to pretend he's an ally to everyone, but he's going to treat women like garbage. Absolutely. I mean, it's not just Sierra too, right? Mija, another woman of color who he strung along for I don't know how long, clearly at least a year, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:25

And then I mean, I'm so excited to hear what she says because the way he could not keep up with his lies last night, it was so apparent. He was looking all over the room, like clearly panicky, backtracking, saying different things. There was a point in which Amanda looked at him and you could tell like she was learning new information about this relationship with Miha. Um, but I agree. I think he it makes you one of the most dangerous men in the room because at least if you're out and you're open and I know you're a manipulator, I know you actually don't value and respect women, then I can position myself appropriately to be at a safe distance to you. But these women let him in because he acts like he is a certain type of guy, and he absolutely is not.

SPEAKER_02 24:06

Oh it just happens so much too to women of color where you are with a white man who just gaslights you into thinking you mean something to him, and you're never publicly claimed, you're never given the commitment. He will blame it on his commitment issues, and then all of a sudden he's with this white woman and he's giving her everything he said he just wasn't capable of giving to a woman, right? And like we're seeing that he is making a joint fucking statement with Amanda a month in, whereas with Sierra, it was two years of back and forth, but he was never able to completely give in to her.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Like, yeah, no, it's horrific. And I think especially the fact that I really appreciate Sara Sierra's openness and the conversation she's having at uh with this platform because truly she does not owe it to any of us to have this conversation and the vulnerability that it takes, the positioning, like she is just an incredible human being. And back to it being diabolical that he sits there and he listens to these conversations and he listens to this vulnerability and then he still makes these decisions and makes a fool of her. I it I just I don't understand how his brain works.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Yeah, I mean, in some ways it's like maybe they belong together because both of them it's just it just doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_01 25:31

Yeah. I think they belong together, they match each other in so many ways. Also, Mija, is she Latina or Middle Eastern? Because he also told her they were exclusive and they weren't. So I think she's Latina.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I even feel like, especially now after last night coming to light, that it seems as though I thought the statement was just to address public speculation and all the rumors that were swirling, but it seems like after last night that the public was because Amanda, I think, wanted to put a stake in the ground, like, are you with Mija or are you not with Mija? And like put out a statement now to make it clear because I didn't even consider that as being part of the public statement. But I think it more, and that's why it was so rushed and debatably AI written, because I think she was trying to figure out like, are you exclusive with this person or are you not?

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Yeah, and it was also a forcing function to be like, we are exclusive, so everyone has to back off because who else is gonna stick around when he makes a public statement with someone? Like, you're not gonna hang on. So it felt, yeah, very claiming to me that also about the statement. Didn't I didn't watch the extended version yet, but in the leak it says we put out a statement because there was video and an intimate situation, but then they said they didn't sleep together until the statement came out, but then it was never addressed in the reunion. Like that was just like in the leak. But did you all see it in the actual reunion?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Mm-mm. I didn't either. I was actually had started watching the extended version this morning because I'm like, gotta make sure I didn't miss anything, especially with next week. But I had the same exact question, and that is such a good point to bring up because I feel like there is just complete logical fallacy in these two things that they keep saying, and I I don't feel like anybody's calling them out for it, or we just aren't being presented with the answers.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

I wonder if Bravo purposely left some of those questions unanswered so they could get another episode out of it too. Yeah, that's true. Maybe purposely took some context out.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Yeah. I I just well, do you remember? Did you all watch Kyle on Watch What Happens Live a couple weeks ago when he said he was gonna have a conversation with West and Andy was like, what? And then it sounds like, or it could have all been fake, right? This could all be fake, but it sounds like then they just like spun up cameras again um to get another episode. But I don't know. So the other thing too I thought was really sad was that hug between Kyle and Amanda, and like she just didn't seem to care. Like, I don't know. And he's so emotional about it and like heartbroken over the marriage, and she just is like, doesn't care.

unknown 28:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

Yeah, I and I don't know. I think like it could be a myriad of answers as why because it I think it's also hard because I always keep trying to remind myself too like Kyle did treat her horribly throughout their marriage, and I think it's like so easy to forget that. I think it's also just like the classic case of misogyny in the sense of like as soon as Amanda screws up, she's like the harlot of the town and the scarlet letter she bears. But Kyle can be horrific for eight seasons, and he's already out making out with fans all weekend at his DJ shows. And we still give him the golden light because I do I do think that Amanda has some credibility in the sense that she probably has been desensitized over the years because of how horribly he has treated her. So it was probably really easy to make this shift. It's not like they had a wonderful marriage for 10 years and then all of a sudden this happened and it came out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

And how much he embarrassed her, too. I mean, I always felt watching Summer House like this is probably Kyle's worst behavior on display, and there probably is some good stuff in their marriage and kind of what he was speaking to. And I imagine that's really frustrating for him too. Yeah. But when the cameras are on, you have even more of a responsibility to protect your wife, right? And to not embarrass her. And now she's being embarrassed by this other guy. And it's like honestly, I have I have a lot of sympathy for Amanda, even with everything she's done, because I can't even imagine how much she's getting from every side right now.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Yeah, but what I did find incredibly frustrating in the reunion, I don't know if you two felt this way, is I feel like so many of the questions were directed towards West in the sense that they were like, How are you gonna take care of her? How are you gonna be the man she needs? And it felt like there was no, it almost felt like there was no accountability on Amanda to remember that she is a grown ass woman who can make decisions, who can take care of herself. And I feel like everybody was kind of playing even into the Amanda victim mentality of like, Wes, you need to answer these questions and tell us how you're gonna be the person she needs and how you're gonna provide for her, and da-da-da-da. And I'm like, okay, but she's a 35, I don't know how old she is, 30, whatever year old woman. Like, why are we directing all these questions to a to a man? Yeah, they all infantilize her, which I think is so weird.

SPEAKER_02 30:49

Yeah. Kyle totally does too. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I guess I mean, all of us on this call have sons. Did watching this reunion scare you because it scared me?

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Did it?

SPEAKER_02 31:06

It's I mean, or do you think you know, you see West Well, I'm interested to hear. Yeah, you see West and Kyle, right? Both raised by women who seem to have their values where all of us have our values, right? I mean, I know West has talked a lot about his mom being an OBGYN and being a supporter of reproductive rights. And it's like apparently you can do everything right, and you can still raise a boy who treats women like garbage. So yeah, that's scary.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

I will I'm gonna be honest, I had not thought of it until now, and now I'm scared. But I think it's also like too it's hard to know what the dynamic was in the house they're growing up, the conversations they're having. Like I I mean, I think I have a fear in general of raising a son in today's day and age with like the red pill content, the manosphere, how easy it's fed to them, um, the internet, what it's gonna be like by the time they're grown up. Like, I we don't e we can't even imagine what it's gonna be like. So I I it's like were Wes and his parents and his family having dinner conversations about these kind of things. Um, what was his dad doing? I feel like your dad, because I think that's also another thing, right? Like, we so easily are like, why is he treating men like this when he had a mother like that? Where it's like, I also think there's a very strong correlation into you get your values and how you treat women from your father. So how how is his father treating people? Like, we just don't know. So yeah, I mean it's terrifying, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Scares it does, I didn't feel scared about how my son's gonna treat women because I'm not worried about that. I'm worried about like addiction because I think a lot of the issues here stem from substance use and abuse. Um, Kyle's things, he probably should look into his drinking, you know, like they all have some sort of substance abuse, which you know, a lot of people did in their 20s and it's carrying on through. So for me, that is the scariest thing for me when I look at this, is I'm like, okay, how do I talk to my son about being responsible with your drinking and not binging and you know, experimenting, but not like becoming a drug addict. You know, like for me, that was what came up a little bit more throughout this whole season is I'm like, shit, how do I have those conversations? Because I don't think these people would be acting like this without substances. But maybe I'm wrong.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Yeah. And I also, I mean, it's they're also like um, I don't want to say victims of their environment, but they're at a share house in the Hamptons, like not something that 30 and 40-year-olds should be doing in general. Like that's something you do in your young 20s, maybe your mid-20s, and then you grow out of it by the time you're 30. So I think that's also a questionable thing in general. Like they shouldn't even be in these positions. If you're married, you should not be at a share house all summer with young singles. Like, what what good comes from that? Like, where where where is that a good idea?

SPEAKER_02 34:07

Yeah, yeah. I have another mom question for you guys related to summer house. Do you think if you were a new mom watching this, you would feel some type of comparison with how Lindsay is like she looks fabulous and she's out and her social life is thriving, and she just seems to be like for lack of a better phrase. I think I'm gonna use like a piece of internet slang with she doesn't seem to have lost herself in motherhood, which is what a lot of people are saying online right now. Do you think that

Postpartum Comparisons In A GLP-1 World

SPEAKER_02 34:41

would have made you feel like a comparison?

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I think that's a really good question. I know for me, the way I think about it, and I'm interested if to see if you to feel this way as well. This is Lindsay's job.

unknown 34:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

And you know, I kind of feel the same way about making content as well. Um in the sense that I mean, I choose to to make content in a way that is more like authentic and truthful just because it's who I am as a person. I am not good at faking things. But this is Lindsay's job. And the same way as mothers have to go back to work at six weeks, at four weeks, at two months, this is kind of what she's doing. She's a single mother. She's providing for her daughter. And Lindsay's very smart. She's very good at her job. She knows how to secure her spot on reality TV. She knows how to carry a show. And I think it's also hard to know how much of it is her returning to work and being a badass business person and executive versus where she really is in her motherhood journey. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

In this city, you can see she is not h I don't think she seems that happy. Like watching her interact with men, watching her interact with her friends. I to me, it doesn't seem like she has it all together. But I don't know how I would have felt, especially with the looks part. I think now I don't know if she's on a GLP one, but now when I see people, I'm like, oh, they're just probably on a GLP one, which was not a thing when I had my son. Um so postpartum body-wise, I I don't know. Katie, did you have thoughts about how you know she looks postpartum or anything since you are recently postpartum?

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Yeah, I think I mean, I've I it's tough. And I think I've I've had a lot of personal conversations in my life about this. I've made some content about it, just like being postpartum in a GLP one world. This is, you know, I had my first baby in 2022 when it was peak COVID. So it was like intuitive eating was a thing, anti-diet culture, and it was so great because I really didn't feel obviously you have some intrinsic pressure to quote unquote bounce back just because you want to feel like yourself, you want to fit in your clothes. I feel like there's something comforting about just fitting in your clothes from your previous life because you feel like you're still that person. But this has been my first dip into peak diet culture while being postpartum, and it's my third in four years. So it's like my body is just like totally on the fritz. Um, so I definitely think it it just in general, it's really hard to be surrounded by the GLP one conversation. Um I think with Lindsay, it's kind of the same thing where I think about it as like she's so in the public eye being on a TV show. Like you have no idea what kind of internal conversation she's having, what kind of internal pressure she feels. And so I just try to never project that upon myself because the situations are so different. Um and I don't know, but at the same time, it's like it is hard. Like just filming content, seeing yourself on camera postpartum all the time, it is so tough. And like filming a podcast, like being like in high definition clips with it's like you're like looking at yourself and you're like, I know that's me, but it doesn't feel like me. Yeah. Yeah. So it's hard to think.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Yeah, I didn't even think of how it might feel like if you don't want to be on a GLP one when I because I was always like, I want to be on one. How can I get my hands on this? Because it was a while ago. Um, so I didn't even think about it, you know, like I'm just, yeah, that's gotta be really tough because being postpartum is so hard anyway. Um I don't know, man. This is it's so funny because reality TV and Summerhouse in general is so dumb, but like there are so many layers to it, and it really is like anthropological like sociolog sociology where you're like, oh, this is like a microcosm of the real world.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

I every person I know who loves Bravo is an incredibly intelligent, well-educated woman. Like none of them are people where I'm like, oh, I would never want to have dinner with them

Why Reality TV Feels So Real

SPEAKER_00 38:41

because they can't have interesting conversation. I think it is such like um, I hate to always bring it back to misogyny. I need to find a different word. But it's just like I feel like it is misogyny of women just like making fun of the reality TV shows and you know, making it lowbrow content where it truly is psychological studies that are so interesting.

SPEAKER_02 39:01

Yeah. I mean, nobody would ever judge a man's intelligence based on the fact that he watches sports, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:08

And as they should, because it's like they just tackle people and hit balls. Like you don't need to understand.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

I do judge them. I think like I think no psychology. My husband watches it.

unknown 39:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Yeah, it's like, can you imagine if we wore jerseys that said like patula on the back while we were watching Summer House? Like, what a weird concept. Um but yeah, so I I mean I think like I said, everybody I know who watches these shows, incredibly intelligent, could have amazing conversations with them about a myriad of things. Yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Yeah. I also think Summerhouse and the original Vanderpump were different because they and that's I think why these two scandals, like Scandaval and whatever we're calling this Scamanda, um, are so like hard hitting is they're actually friends. And it this these are shows based on actual friend groups. And I think like for me, I just think about if somebody would have done this to me, what Amanda and Wes did to Sierra. Like I had a friend do it to me in high school, and that's different, and that sucked, but like it's high school. But somebody doing that to you when you're 30 is like who you've been like poured your heart about this person to. I I don't know. I just it just uh same with like the Raquel and Ariana, especially like, oh, oh, that made oh sorry. Okay, so did you all see when West was asking Amanda, this isn't reunion, but when he was at or he was asking Kyle how often they're having sex, and he was like, Oh, we're not, and then how similar that was to when Raquel asked Ariana if they were having sex, and she said the same thing. And then the other thing that I noticed is Amanda was going to take a shower at the beginning of summer, and Kyle's like, oh, I'll join you. And she was like, No, no, no, no, that's okay. I'll I'll just get in after you. And to me, crazy, I was like, to me, that is if the touching and all of those other things weren't a bigger sign to me. Her not getting in the shower is a bigger sign that her and Wes were already a thing because she knew it was being filmed and she couldn't be like, Oh no, Kyle and I haven't been intimate or whatever in so long. Well, you're showering with him, you know. Yeah, I think it was crazy.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Yeah. I took the shower thing to mean that Kyle wanted to have an off-camera conversation with her about something, and she was avoiding that.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Oh, that's a good theory. For me, it was more just like I mean, that there is an intimacy aspect to it, right? Normally, when a man wants to take a shower with you, it's for a reason. Um but I also think it's like you're in the middle of the share house, you have people all around, you have cameras all around. Like, it's also a moment to just like connect with your partner in the midst of all the craziness and the overstimulation, even if it's not an intimacy thing, if it's just like let's just shower together so we can have a moment of silence together without all these other people around, and the fact that she is so quickly like, no, no, no. But I do think maybe that is a good theory that it was like a conversation he was wanting to have, and she, as per usual, was absolutely avoidant to it.

SPEAKER_02 42:22

Yeah. And you know, I think the other thing is the Amanda and Wes dynamic, even if it wasn't romantic, I still don't think it's appropriate to be hanging out with your friend's ex who broke her heart publicly and embarrassed her in front of the entire country. I don't think it's appropriate to be that close with him, even if it's not romantic.

SPEAKER_00 42:41

I saw a TikTok right when the scandal broke, and it was like the craziest thing to me is I hate my best friend's ex more than my best friend does. Like, there is nobody who hates my friend's ex more than I do. Yeah. And it is so, so true. And that, to your point, it's such an another layer to it, is not only is she I don't just like the intimacy between them. She's like, Wes was there for me when Kyle was, and Sierra was like, where was I? Yeah. The whole thing. I don't know. She's a terrible, terrible friend, and I'd be so interested to know. Like, I would do, I would pay, I would give up my house to know the conversations Paige is having with Sierra right now and what Paige was saying when it all broke, because the amount she was probably reading them to fill was so entertaining. Justice for Hannah, also. Justice for Jules. Justice for Hannah. I forgot about jewels, and now that those clips are resurfacing, they are so incriminating and terrible. But justice for Hannah. I mean, she had to wait, I feel like a long time for this karmic circle to be complete. But I'm so happy for her, especially at a time where like everything is going well for her.

SPEAKER_02 43:47

Yeah, that was another thing that was so obvious watching that old season on the flight, is like Luke was fully gaslighting her, and everybody in the house was just blaming it on her. Yeah. Tale as old as time.

SPEAKER_03 44:02

Mm-hmm.

unknown 44:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

Yeah. Kyle.

SPEAKER_02 44:05

But it is up for Hannah there too.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

Oh no, Kyle stood up for Sierra, didn't he? Hannah.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

It was Sierra. Yeah. I mean, he treats Amanda horribly. And I don't think we can forget that. But it's funny because I think West is always the one, like, you know, shouting his feminisms on social media channels. But Kyle is very often like taking a seat at the table when Sierra is talking about race. Like he's very much in it, and he's very much defensive and emotional and supportive of his female friends. And I feel like he it seems like he's actually doing the work. I don't know what's really happening because it's a TV show, but you know, he it seems like he does.

SPEAKER_03 44:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

Yeah. Oh man. I they never should have gotten married, is kind of the other thing. Like, why did they get married? What, like, what were they? Was that her form of Amanda's form of her public statement, like claiming him? Because to me, it seems like that that is something Amanda likes to do is whoever is like she sees as the top dog, she wants that person. And even like last night in part three of the reunion, I found her smirking just so much when he was talking about like how he had feelings for her, or when Sarah was even talking about being upset, she was like looking like she was gonna smile. And it feels to me like she thinks she won something. Like he cared enough, he cares enough about her to make her like his woman versus and same with Kyle. Like he cheated, but he cared enough to marry her. Um and I don't know what sort of pathological mental illness that is, but that has got to be something.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

And there's so much of that on social media too, right? All those posts that are like, you used to talk to him, he put a ring on me. He he gave me a baby, which nothing drives me as crazy as when the like male-centered women on social media say he gave me a baby. Oh my gosh. I can't.

SPEAKER_00 46:04

I know. I think I've de-centered men so much in my life that my tolerance is so low. He gave me a baby, huh?

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Uh yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:16

Oh, I Katie, I saw that you had kids. Oh my gosh, the trad wife accusations. So funny. Um, yes, literally in our podcast, we had a segment where I'd be so interested to see if what your two's answer is. But talk about whether or not we fart in front of our husbands. And I like so you don't. Sorry, what about you, Sam?

SPEAKER_01 46:40

No, I unless it's an accident.

Trad Wife Takes And Marriage Rules

unknown 46:44

No.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:44

So okay, so that's funny. You two are in the same field as me. And I and like my husband is not allowed to fart in front of me either. Like it's just a rule to all the time. Oh, okay. Yeah, see, that's like I can't. I like I can't I cannot do that. I had a I grew up with like brothers and a boomer dad who was always farting. And it was just like such an ick to me that it's like in our house, we just do no farting in general. And apparently that was a very unpopular uh opinion, and that a majority of people do fart in front of their husbands and vice versa. And Paige and I were it right, it's crazy. It was like, I think it was like 70% of people do. And it was just so funny because all I all the comments were like, it's giving patriarchy. It's giving, I don't wear makeup in front of my husband. It's you know, like everybody was accusing us of like being um like red pill pipeline, basically, of like, oh, you don't fart in front of your husband, what's next? You always have to be whatever. And it's just funny because, like, could not be further from the truth. If you consume any of my content, you know that's not true. It's it is just incriminating that I tend to wear nap dresses and I baby wear all the time. So it's just like, you know, the look is ballerina farm, but the actions and the the brain is not. So it's just so funny because so many of the comments of people who don't have the context to us thought we were trad wives. So it was funny to live that life for a day. That's hilarious. That's weird. That people on the internet are weird. They are so weird. Yeah. I know, but I but it's like also I don't know. It's I that'll happen to me sometimes. Like I made a video once that went like uh, you know, I call it the bar stool side of TikTok. So it's like once it passes my audience and it goes so, you know, viral enough that it's to a wide audience and it gets consumed by like incel men basically. Um, but I had made a video saying that I think women should get to name every baby because, you know, I did the work. So when the baby comes out, it's my say. Yeah. Which is like, I mean, don't get me wrong, me and my husband have named all of our babies together. That has never been a thing that happened. Like, we have a different set of opinions on names. And so I'll say a name and I'll be like, I really don't like that name. So we move on to the next one. I would never actually do that, but it is my opinion. It's just, you know, whatever. Yeah. Um, and I get so many comments of people being like, wait till you actually have a baby. Like, you won't feel this way. Like so many things like that. And then like people respond back and be like, literally, click on her page, she's pregnant with her third child. And it's just the internet's a funny place.

SPEAKER_02 49:26

Yeah, I I've gotten a lot of like, you you're single and bitter, and I'm like, Yes.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

I'm like, literally, you know, maybe in a dream life.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

That wait, I'm still not over that people think that that's like a weird take. I mean, I technically named our child the first and middle name because I came up with the names and my husband agreed with it, and it like was a five-minute conversation and we moved on. But I would never name my child something that I didn't like that my husband liked. Like, and I think that he probably would have let me veto and overrule and be like, nope, this is this is his name. People are so weird, and you know, it's something weird. It I wonder if men get this kind of content. Do you think they do? Do you think like they get weird, they probably don't put the same kind of content out. No.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

No, they get like the most simple, entertaining content that doesn't make them feel like shit about themselves. I know. I know we need equality.

unknown 50:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

We need to figure out how to make them feel shitty about themselves too. But I mean, I have to say though, whenever I post a video, yeah, and I look at insights and it's like any percentage of male, I'm like, why was a man here? I didn't make this content for them. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they're not supposed to be here consuming my life. Like, they're supposed to be in their boy social media sphere.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Yeah. Although, if they consume your stuff, uh, that's how you blue pill them, right? Like if they just see it more and more. 100%. And and yeah, I don't know. I people on the internet are so interesting. Um, I did either of you listen to the plan Brie podcast about how she was Breonna Chicken Fry was dating one of Wes Wilson's like best friends for a few months, and he did the exact same thing to her.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

I mean, like, what uh what do you think the table? I don't want to say what do you think because it's like I yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

They West Wilson's friend was dating her and he was telling her that they were exclusive

The Same Dating Playbook Everywhere

SPEAKER_01 51:34

and they weren't. And like the whole same play didn't want to claim her publicly because you know he's a private person and didn't want to, you know, ruin his career and all this stuff. Literally, like the same West Wilson playbook he used on Breonna Chicken Fry. What career? Who is this person? Like, I don't know, I don't know. And I I think like he's an influencer hanger on. I don't I don't know. Um, but it was like really interesting to listen to because I'm like, oh, they're just like running in a group doing this to women, which I guess is something men do in their 20s. Like, I have dates.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

Do we lose her? I think so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:23

Yeah, man. That's one thing I do not miss about my early 20s. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

No, I feel like uh if I had to date over again, I just wouldn't. I mean, I have a lot of understanding of the women now that are choosing just to be single because they're like, I don't want to deal with this. Like I feel like for our generation, like you didn't really even think of that as an option. Like we were still being so bombarded with the idea of marriage and babies, and that's just what you do. And I feel like hats off to the women who are leading a totally different normalized path because it we don't deserve that.

SPEAKER_02 53:01

Yeah. Yeah, it is. I mean, I feel like for millennials, that was like when you met up with a friend, that was the first question you would ask, like, Oh, are you dating anyone new? Are you talking to anyone? Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_00 53:12

No, and now it's like, what are you reading? Like, what you know, how's work going? Like, what are you accomplishing in your life? And I just think, I don't know, it is it's crazy to me, but I think that's a whole nother thing we need to discuss was like the Brianna chicken fry and the Dave Portnoy of it all, where like Brianna Chicken Fry is saying they've been hooking up since January. Why would her and Dave make that up? Like no reason. Not that I'm like a fan, but like just doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_02 53:37

It doesn't. It really doesn't make any sense. And I mean, I am really curious. Like, I wonder if they went back and edited this season differently in light of the reveal. Did they? That's what I've heard. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because it definitely does feel like they are giving us a lot of these little moments that look really incriminating. And also, I don't know what it's like to live in a share house with a bunch of people. I'm sure that there is just like a weird closeness you form with everyone, and maybe that had something to do with it, but I don't know. It just doesn't seem right.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

It's still totally intimacy is formed in different ways, but there's still respectfulness in terms of marriage and boundaries. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:20

Are you watching anything else? Are you into anything else in pop culture these days? So, you know what? I'm I started Love Island.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

I'm a few episodes behind. It's so hard as a mom to keep up with the nightly episodes. It's so hard. Especially when it's like summer house is on because I'm like, I need to go to bed at a good time. Like my kids aren't sleeping. I can't be up late. Yeah. And so I usually don't catch up to like Friday or Saturday night. My husband and I will like binge a few episodes. Um, but and I'm a big big brother person.

Pop Culture Watchlist And Book Talk

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Oh, interesting. I've never watched Big Brother. Oh my gosh. I w I started a few years ago when my husband and I moved in together. He came from a big brother family. I feel like it has to be an inherited thing. It's not something that you just stumble upon because it's a very large commitment. It's three episodes a week. So it's kind of similar to um Love Island, but that so that's gonna premiere soon. That's a summer show. And then the only other thing I'm so, so excited for. Do you are you a reader? Yeah. Have you read every summer after? Yes. I'm so excited. So excited for that show. I think that premieres tonight, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I know just like June 10th. So that premieres, and I cannot wait. I have high hopes for it. I feel like Amazon really knocks it out of the park with like these teen romance too. Yeah. Did you watch off campus? I am two episodes in right now. So I do. Those were the worst two episodes. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't, it gets good, like episode three and four.

SPEAKER_02 55:43

I'm kind of like, I can't tell the guys apart yet.

SPEAKER_00 55:48

I I totally get that. And I was with you. I was on my phone the first two episodes, I'm gonna be honest. Yeah. They were not very intriguing. Um, I feel like it wasn't until like episode three or four where I was like, oh, I'm actually really enjoying this show. Okay. And I want to talk to it with everybody. Yeah. Yeah. It'll turn for you.

SPEAKER_02 56:04

Okay. Yeah. So kind of the same page as I'm on every year after off campus and summer house. Is there anything else that you're watching that I should catch up on? Uh no. My husband and I are re-watching One Tree Hill. Oh my gosh, actually, really fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:22

Um, but yeah, and also off campus, the main couple, they remind me of Haley and Nathan from One Tree Hill.

SPEAKER_00 56:28

You know, when I was first watching it, it kind of like ticked me off because I was like, I feel like they're copying everything from all these other shows. But now I'm learning it's like supposed to be like that. It's kind of like an ode to all of the rom-coms of the 90s and such. Um but yes, there's so much overlap.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

Yeah. It's good. I feel like I'm in a little bit of a reading slump right now.

SPEAKER_00 56:52

You know, I like I've been reading Throne of Glass for like a year and a half. Um, but I don't know if you read any of those type of books.

SPEAKER_02 57:00

I don't really.

SPEAKER_00 57:02

I really do like them, but Throne of Glass is like a very long series. There's like eight books or something, eight seven or eight. And I'm halfway through the fourth, and it's just like it's notoriously a slow burned book because it's like they're developing a lot of the plot, and then apparently it picks up a lot of speed. And I was barreling through the first three, and it's just like this this one has me in such a slump because it's like I'm just not excited to read it. Um, but I really need to get back into it and finish it because it's like I need to finish the series. It's been a year and a half, but I need I need something good. What about you?

SPEAKER_02 57:37

I'm reading, I don't even remember what it's called, The Ex Vows by Jessica Joyce, who wrote You with a View. It's uh it's about this couple who they've broken up for a few years and they are putting their mutual best friend's wedding back on track after their wedding venue burns down. And so they go to Napa and they're like trying to kind of plan this wedding on the fly together, and you know, obviously second chance romance. But um, I don't know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Yeah, I feel like it's tough. I've a lot of I feel like what I've been reading, like I read yesteryear. That was like a very interesting book. Um I'm reading FameSec right now by Lena Denham.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 58:23

I don't know if you watched Girls ever. A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting because it basically just like explains a little bit more about girls and like talks about what was going on behind the scenes. Um my book club is reading Strangers right now, and I haven't read it.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

Do you like it? Oh, you haven't read it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

No, I honestly paige told me like the whole plot and everything that happens, and I heard it's a pretty quick read. Um a lot of the people in the group chat are like, I don't like this book.

SPEAKER_02 58:50

Yeah. I'm uh I'm not a nonfiction person typically, so I haven't picked it up, but I'm kind of intrigued because everyone's talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

Yeah, I feel like it's it's like it seems to be a good gateway to a lot of like conversations.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

Um, but I'm like, you guys can just tell me what happened and then we can have the conversations.

unknown 59:08

Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_02 59:09

Up so much of your time. Thank you so much for chatting with us. This was so fun. We lost Sam towards the end of the conversation, but so fun talking to you.