Real Hooper Show: Jordan Quit. Mourning Exploded. The NBA Conversation Nobody Wants to Have

Did Michael Jordan really walk away from the NBA because Phil Jackson wasn't coming back? We react to one of the most debated moments in basketball history and ask the tough questions. Plus, Alonzo Mourning gets heated over being compared to Rudy Gobert, and we break down why some NBA legends feel today's players are being judged all wrong.

This episode is packed with basketball history, hot takes, and the conversations fans are afraid to have.

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SPEAKER_08 0:00

Scorers, scores, welcome back, welcome back. It's your boy Sean Sug Amos, and this is the real Hooper show. And I gotta admit, I'm a little sad, man. I'm a little sad. Basketball, NBA is over. The Knicks won. I'm excited about that. But man, what we gonna talk about, man? What we gonna talk about? I mean, WNBA is good. WNBA got a lot going on, you know? But we gotta, I guess we just gotta talk hoops. Gotta talk real hoops, man. So that's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna talk about what's going on in the basketball world, some of the conversations that's being had at this moment. And I wanna react to them. I want to talk about them, man. I got my guy E here. Yo, what's good, bro? What's up, man? How you feeling, bro? Feeling good, man. Man, that's what I like to hear, bro. I was always listening bro, even if you told me you wasn't feeling good, I wouldn't have cared anyway. Like, you know what I mean? I just that's just something I like to ask. You know, it's nothing I really care about. Like when I ask somebody like, how you feeling, man? Yeah, I'm just hoping they was like, it's good. I hope you don't got like, nah, you know, my turtle died. My turtle died, and and you know, man. And then the goldfish, they about to go too. That's crazy. My dog gotta get nails clipped. You know, I don't really care about that, bro. I don't care about that. I'm one of them people, bro. Like, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:25

I'm one of them people. Like, I got a dog, but I don't care about other people's dogs. Like, I walk my dog, they be like, oh, what is your dog? What's your dog's name? I feel like, oh, I gotta ask somebody dog. You know, I'm one of those people, bro. Man, what are we talking about today, man? We got so we so it's a lot been going on, man. You know, I I I watched this interview, right? I watched this interview with uh Dwayne Wade, Dwayne Wade, Shaquille O'Neal, Antoine Walker, Lonzo Morning, um, Dallas Haslam, um, Donnell Author, uh, all guys who played for Gary Payton, all guys who played for the Heat. And they had some interesting stories. And I'm and I like watching these videos because they, you know, when you grew up in that era, you in real time, you we didn't really get the back end. We didn't really get what was going on in the locker room. All we, as fans at that time, all we had a chance to do was actually just see them play. So I'm I'm watching, and you know, they're doing comparisons, and that was pretty interesting to me because for the comparison part, I like to know who they find who they think they play like, or who in the league at this moment they play like. So, uh, we wanna play the clip?

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:50

So play the clip where uh Alonzo Morin got offended. Alonzo Morin got offended with this. Let's check this out.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Hey Result, what about what about the boy at uh the boy for nobody else? At Minnesota? Who is that? Rudy Gobert? Rudy. Oh, hell no. Don't do that. Don't y'all do that to Rudy. I just said when you tell you.

SPEAKER_08 3:26

What's wrong with Rudy? What's wrong with y'all? Listen, hold up. The Rudy slander is insane, bro. Like, I get it. I get it. I'm not sitting here telling you that Alonzo Morton or Rudy Gulbert was just as good as Alonzo Moin offensively. Alonzo Morin was an offensive demon. Like, let's be let's be clear. Coming into the league, Alonzo Moore, 1993, averaged 21 points and 10 rebounds. He was a double-double guy off rip. He didn't start really declining up until uh the injuries. But besides that, Alonzo Morin was a premier player. He was a premier player for the Miami Heat. He was a premier player for Charlotte, he was a premier player for these teams, and he made a difference on these teams. So I understand the first initial reaction, but defensive-wise, I think him and Rudy Gold Burr, I think, I think they have similarities. I think it's really hard to compare uh Alonzo Morton's game to someone's skill set offensively in this day and age because they don't have it. They don't have like a back to the basket player. Uh Alonzo Morton, he did some some face-ups. He would do more face-ups, he's that hard jab to the left, go right, throw the but throw that hook shot over the right shoulder. That was his like go-to move. You don't really have guys like that as a premier player anymore. So it's hard to compare them, right? But if I'm looking at Rudy Goldberg's uh his stats, right? He comes into the league, didn't do much. You know, it was just coming from overseas, so he's still getting, he still had to get acclimated with the over the NBA game. So the first three years, he averaged in between two and nine points. But then once he started getting his groove, 2016, 2017, 14 points. 14 points, 12 rebounds, averaged almost two blocks. Same thing with even the years, even the years where he wasn't scoring a lot, he always averaged double double digits. And when it comes to rebounds, always. Up until maybe the last two to three years that I'm looking at where he didn't average like 11 rebounds. But Rudy Goldberg is, I think, is a fair comparison when it comes to defense. Now, offense, are we still playing this clip? No. Uh offense-wise, they said Alonzo Morton reminds him of Kat. You know what it, you know what that reminds me of, man? You know what I think they tried to do? They tried to massage it. They tried to massage his ego. You know, they it was like, they, they, they, they thought he would feel cut, they thought that he would look at that as a compliment. Like, yeah, that was that dude in Minnesota. What's the dude in Minnesota name? Yeah, Rudy, Rudy, he was like, oh hell dawg. Then it was like, oh shoot, oh I thought that was a good comparison. I thought that was a good comparison. And then there was like, uh, but but you like cat on offense. Nah, you ain't like cat. Like, you're not like cat, bro. Like, cat, listen, bro, didn't cat have like a 60 to 70 point game? Yeah, 60. I mean, don't get me wrong, Alonta Morton had a 50-point game. He had a 50-point game against George Mersan for the Wizards. George Mersan was 7-7.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:59

So he was a dog.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

But if we look at an offensive skill set, it's not that.

SPEAKER_08 7:02

Okay. It's not that. I ain't gonna say it. I thought you, I thought you. I ain't going. I ain't going. I I I don't think we can compare it. I I maybe bam.

SPEAKER_03 7:14

Nah, I wouldn't say. Not bam. Not bam. Bam is more is more more comparable, more comparable. But I again I don't know Alonzo Morris game like that, so I can't.

SPEAKER_08 7:25

I mean, bam shoot threes. That's what I'm saying is hard. Alonzo is gonna give you 12 to 15 feet if that, but for the most part, he's gonna be in the right place at the right time. He had a great, he had good point guards on his team when he did flourish when he was with the Miami Heat. He had Tim Hardaway who was dishing that thing off. Um man, you know, on the offensive end, I'm trying to think who had. Bam ain't a good one, huh? Bam ain't a good one. I personally I'm trying to think off the top of the head who scores. And be like Alonzo. And B is there. I was thinking in B, but again, a B shoot threes.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

If we take an if we if we do removing a three-point shooting, just score.

SPEAKER_08 8:09

Yeah, beep in there. Okay. I like Embiid. I think you might have to do cat then. Nah, he probably got the quickness of cat.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

Yeah, I'm just saying cat.

SPEAKER_08 8:16

Cat kind of quick. Cat kind of quick. But then again, and B had a B got a jump shot, though.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

Yeah, he's got it.

SPEAKER_08 8:23

Alonso Warren, I didn't refer to him like as a jump shooter. Like, he can hit shots. He's definitely a shooter in some regards. Like, and you can't look at his actual field goal percentage because his field goal percentage is going to be high anyway, but he took a lot of layups. Took a lot of layups, took a lot of dunks, ran the floor. Um Damn. Somebody help me out in the comments, man. Help me out in the comments. I'm I'm trying to think off the top of the head who Alonzo Moran reminds you of when it comes. I I like Ben, bro. I kind of is a good one, but I think Alonzo was kind of quicker than Mbi a little bit though.

SPEAKER_03 9:04

I'm thinking more of uh the um the what's the what's the word when he's facing? Uh face up. I'm thinking of a face-up game. And be has a face-up game, and Lonzo Morgan seemed to have a face-up game.

SPEAKER_08 9:17

Yeah. I mean, it's hard to compare the old school dudes, the modern day, man. The guys in the 90s. Um and not because they I don't think they was capable of doing it, like doing the stuff that the guys do today. I think it's just more about what was allowed. When I was growing up, if you were a big man, it wasn't like Antoine Walker was like crazy because he was in the lane, he was throwing the ball between his legs in the middle of the paint, scoring on guys. That was like crazy to us when he was with the Boston Celtics. When you was a big guy, you catch the ball, drop step, pump fit. You always go to the middle, hook shot, up and under. Like that's all you really did. Catch the ball off the rim, go score to the layup. The guys who did that at a high and efficient rate were the best big men. And you didn't have to do much. If you shot a 12-foot jump shot, great. 15-foot jump shot, great. You can stretch the floor a little bit from that range, great. But if you shot threes, you better be knocking it down. It better look good most of the time. Other than that, the coach despised it. So it's like, I can't get mad at Alonzo Morgan for having limited skills at that time because that's what the game allowed. They didn't dribble, they didn't do anything. It's hard for me to say cat, Joel and B when I know they can dribble, when I know they can get to a dollar. Joel and B led the league and scoring. He led the league in score him. You know what I mean? Like you're talking about former MVP. But if we subtract the threes, then everybody's kind of comparable at that point. So I don't really want to do that. Um, I'ma stick with, I'ma stick with Ben, bro. I'ma stick with Ben. What else we got? Who else we got on the menu today, brother? What else we got on the menu, man? We're doing all reaction videos today. Shaq said he wanted to get one before old boy. Ooh, let's talk about that. Let's let me see what Shaq's talking about. Now, this is important. This right here is important, bro. Because everyone always like, see, here's the thing. I I'm not gonna lie to you, man. First off, our RIP Kobe, when Kobe passed away, right? When Kobe passed away, I I feel like guys start backpedaling a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, I don't get me wrong, I think Shaq and Kobe was in in good standings before he passed away, because they did do that interview, they did talk. But when growing up, and you follow basketball, you know Shaq and Kobe didn't like each other. And they had their reasons, they had their reasons why they didn't like each other, and they had a lot to do with off the court, had a lot to do with, um, they had a lot to do with the ego, the male ego, the alpha ego. So they could they couldn't coexist. They couldn't coexist. And when Shaq left, Kobe's biggest quest was to have more rings than Shaq. And Shaq's quest was I want to show y'all I can win without Kobe. Well, I can win again without Kobe. Because Kobe felt like, yo, this is my ship. You should be working harder. And Shaq, like, yo, I don't know what you talking about, bro. I was here before you and I and I've been that guy. I got three finals MVPs. You fall in line. So it was a big deal. So check this clip out. Let's let's take a look at this.

SPEAKER_11 12:40

Why'd you need that championship so bad? Because I wanted to get one before, oh boy. That's it. Yeah, that's it. That's it. So we were just looking chasing. I wouldn't chase nobody. I wanted to get one before Kobe.

SPEAKER_05 12:53

Hey, hey, hey, we were just pawns. You can do 50 pawns in your time. The whole time.

SPEAKER_08 13:01

Oh boy. Now, here's the thing that stands out to me the most. He didn't say I want the win before I want to get one before Kobe. I wanted to get one before my little brother. He said, I want to get one before old boy. That emotion, that emotion came back. He put himself back in 2005, 2006. He did he remember the feelings and the emotions that he had when him and Kobe was going through it. Cause any other time he talks about Kobe, he talk about, he called him his little brother. My little brother. Well any other time he wants to speak on Kobe is nothing but, yo, Kobe's the greatest, he's this. He called him by his name. That time, I wanted to win before old boy. And I and I say this, man, I think that's where, you know, not to do too much on Kobe, but I think that's where Kobe kind of. Kobe spun most of his career competing with everyone. I wanted to be better than Jordan. Him and Shaq had a few, I want to get more than Shaq. I don't think he's seen like guys like LeBron coming. That's why when you look at the record, the 16-6 record, the outs being outscored by LeBron and most of the, and the overall record, that that I think Kobe was so hyper focused on that. I think Kobe's legacy outside of winning was I want to be better than Jordan, and I don't, I want to have more than Shaq. That's that's that's what that was about. So when I see it, when I hear Shaq talk, I want I I just want to have more than old boy. I think Shaq also went into that world. Like once Shaq got four rings, he was like, ah, see, couldn't do it without me. You just couldn't do it without me, could you? And then Kobe got that fourth ring against Orlando. Shaq starts running, he started, hey Celtics, y'all need somebody? Y'all need help fire. Listen, brother. I work with anybody. Hey, LeBron, you're balling right now, brother. You're balling. You need me. Listen, I'm not even gonna play. I'm just sitting on the bench. Just win a championship. I need a fifth one. I need something to get me ahead of Kobe. And then Kobe won the fifth one. Then Shaq was just fishing after that. He started doing all types of stuff. He started going to Phoenix. He was a cop in Phoenix. He started doing anything. He did anything to get him a gold, it didn't get him some gold. He got a gold badge. He was like, fuck it, I got it. You know what I mean? Like Colby, Shaq was on a different type of time, man. Shaq, Shaq, and Shaq and Colby had the biggest feud after they break up. And you could tell by how he addressed Colby. He said, I just want to get one more one more than an old boy. What's the next one we got? What's the next one we got today, man?

SPEAKER_03 15:59

Oh, he wanted to get two quick ones. Shaq Fowlon.

SPEAKER_08 16:04

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, so at some point in his interview, right, Shaq talked about, um, Shaq talked about uh go ahead, play that. He talked about getting two quick fouls. And this is, and this is, and this is why I hate debates. Because real Hooper's understanding this. I don't care who you are, I don't care who you are. I know you're gonna, when I say this, you're gonna be like, oh no, not me. I play every game hard, like my life depended on it. Like, let's cut it out. You know you didn't. No, you didn't. Because when you get to a certain space in basketball, and you understand a long, a long season, you understand your job, your role, you understand the opponent, you do start doing little stuff. Like, man, I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna tell Coach to sub me out, man. I done scored 12 points already. It was the first half. Like, I'm good. Like, let me give these other guys in, let these other guys work. Same, and it was Shaq talked about in this is he would get two quick ones. On the days he would party, days he have a party the night before, or whatever the case may be, he'll file, he'll file twice really quick just to get out of there. And I understand that. And I might sound like some bogus, something that's bogus, but we gotta think about it, right? He's talking about Miami Heat. So he got to Miami Heat around 2006. Shaq was drafted in 1993. That means, that means Shaq, or not was it 92. That means either way, that means Shaq, Shaq was in year 13. He was in year 13 or 14 at that time. He ain't got nothing to prove at that point. He ain't got nothing to prove. He got, you you talking about a guy who been to the finals at this point. I mean, we're not including the Heat four times. He ain't got nothing to prove. He's been the most dominant center in the game. So yeah, and he's partying every night. So he's getting two quick ones. Let's play this. Let's play this clip.

SPEAKER_10 18:16

Yo, but but this this is real, okay? Golden State on the bus after shoot around. He taps me on the shoulder again. Uh, I'm gonna pick up two quick ones. You're gonna play a lot, so just letting you know I'm winning.

SPEAKER_08 18:43

That's what we call communication. Real Hoopers understand. Real Hoopers understand. You ever did that? Nah, he he was selfish. He was selfish. He he gotta take all the minutes. He he played, you heard what he said. He played against Golden State. Golden State wasn't good until Steph Curry. I mean, don't get hit. Baron Davis and them had their moments. They had they had the We Believe team. But they there wasn't no threat to win no championship. The teams that was a threat to win a championship, the Golden State teams, were Steph Curry teams, the Klay Thompson teams, the Kevin Durant teams. So I can imagine whatever Golden State team he's talking about, they didn't need Shaq's services that night. And Shaq knew that. He was probably on a cell phone, tapping in with E40 in them. Mac Dre in them. Yo, I'm about to touch down, bro. What are we doing tonight? Me and San Francisco, talk to me. Too short, talk to me. Talk to me nice. Bring them out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't playing that much tonight. Two quick files. And that's that's the thing when it comes to debates, because I know I understand players. I understand players. I was a player, I'm a coach, I've coached players, I've coached at every level, with the exception of pro. So I know what goes on in the locker room. I hear what goes on in the locker room. These guys ain't playing hard every night. And you may say to yourself, well, they're getting paid millions of dollars. Do you get paid what you get paid at work? Do you go hard every day? You go hard every day at work, eight? Every day, bro. No days off.

unknown 20:19

Cat.

SPEAKER_08 20:21

Shift starts at nine, E walk in at 901. Ends at five, E walking out, 459.

SPEAKER_03 20:28

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 20:29

He knows extra work to do. He's storming out of there. He ain't trying to say nothing. You ain't giving 110%. So I so when it comes to these guys, I don't expect these guys for 82 games to be the same player each time. What's the next one we got today, bro? Winning is boring. Yeah, winning is boring. We still talk, we still talking about this interview, man. This was a good interview. This is a really good interview. Shaq, Shaq, Shaq really dominate. Not only on the court, bro, he dominated a conversation too. He dominated a conversation too, boy.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

No, I'm about to play the clip. I'm about to play the clip right now.

SPEAKER_08 21:06

Alright. My man Shaq.

SPEAKER_04 21:14

The other day, I'm gonna ask you guys.

SPEAKER_13 21:16

Isn't winning and being successful boring when you've done it for so long? Doesn't it become boring? No, man. For me it did. For me it did.

SPEAKER_12 21:27

It's always five. No, but being successful. No, but look. Don't that shit don't get old at all.

SPEAKER_13 21:34

Now sick it all, say get like for example, you was the man, you was the man, you was the man, you was the man, use the man, use the man. Don't that shit don't don't don't get boring from nothing. So for me, after four, I was like, 'Cause I fucking answer all the critics. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 21:49

I'm done. So with us, so with us, you might remember, you may remember.

unknown 21:53

Oh yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 21:56

So I'm I'm gonna try to dissect this one. Um Does winning get boring? Does being successful get boring? I don't think he's talking about the actual accolades. I don't think he's talking about the perks, like having a house, having a car. Um, I think he I think it's the day-to-day. I want to say the things that that helps you get all those things. Like waking up at five o'clock in the morning, waking up at six o'clock in the morning, doing the same thing every day, eating the same foods. People asking you for the same favors. They setting up the they setting up their favor with every phone call. Hey man, just checking in on you. Hey, hey, hey, I saw you had 30 the other night. Yo. I listen, I was talking to the boys at the barbershop, right? The boys at the barbershop, I was telling you to go get that boy 40. And then you know when we came up, they talking about the barbershop for sale and shit. You know what I mean? And it's crazy because it's the same barbershop me and you went to, right? And they only asked it for 60,000. That can get boring. I can imagine that type of stuff get boring. You know what I mean? Like, I don't I don't think he means like the actual person. I don't think he's like, oh man, it gets so boring getting in the car, like getting in my nice car. Like, no. He also mentioned, excuse me. He also mentioned the critics. He answered the critics. That can get boring, right? Every step of the way, there's a new story, there's a new narrative, there's a new narrative you need to overcome, you need to prove. And I think one of the things that we don't factor in as fans is that every year there's a new narrative, right? Like let's talk about LeBron. Well, LeBron, the narrative was early in the year was stat padding, stat padding, stat padding, right? It wasn't until he accepted the third option on the team. We all recognize that if he if he continues to play and he's not performing at 27, 28 points a game, then that means his averages is going to go down. So how could he be stat padding, right? So narratives and critics can be fresh every year, but the player's body is not. Shaq is still, Shaq was still having criticism or going getting over criticism, overcoming criticism in year 13, 16. He's old now. He's just he's beat up. There's no more for him to do. He got four rings. Y'all said he couldn't win one, y'all say he couldn't win two, y'all say he couldn't win three, y'all say he couldn't win without going to the heat, and he did it. He's like, yo, it's boring. That's what he meant. What we got next. Because I mean, you know, my what's my guy? Shout out. Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, face.

SPEAKER_03 25:10

Tell us about the face of the league.

SPEAKER_08 25:12

Mm-hmm. Shout out, shout out Isaiah Thomas. If you follow us on Instagram, Isaiah Thomas follows us on Instagram, man. He's one of our biggest, our biggest supporters, man. Appreciate him. He uh I mean he might post our clips, me at least once once or twice a week. Um, if he feels, you know, whatever he feels, like if he feels like it is if it resonated with him, he's gonna post it. So shout out to shout out to the legend, man. Let's see what Isaiah Thomas is talking about.

SPEAKER_06 25:40

But I'm sure in Jalen Brunson's mind, he's like, they come back the face of the league, dude. Didn't you just see me walk the face of the league?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

But my thing is, Zeke, why are they trying to force it on Wemby? Where Jalen Brunson as a 6'2 guard just delivered the first championship in New York since 1973. Why can't he be the face of the league? Why are they trying to push it on Wemby? And I know Wimby is cold and he's proven a lot of things, but Jason, Jalen Brunson just got it done as a small guard. 38.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

So see, that was the question.

SPEAKER_08 26:18

Well, here's the thing, right? First off, let's be clear. All y'all Jalen Brunson bandwagon hopping ass. Yo, y'all some frauds. I'm gonna make this clear.

SPEAKER_09 26:34

I ain't y'all like, I ain't seen, I ain't hear none of y'all in the beginning of the season. When were y'all at? What that boy Drake said.

SPEAKER_08 26:44

I didn't see y'all in September. I didn't see y'all in October. I ain't seen none of y'all. Y'all was not checking for the Knicks. Stop it. It was, oh, it's gonna be the Salty City Spurs. Oh, Pistons. I ain't I didn't hear none of that. The only people was checking for the Knicks was New York people. But and but they but that don't have a lot of weight with me. You know why? They check it for the Knicks every year. Every year they check it for the Knicks. It don't matter. So the reason why Jalen Brunson wouldn't be the face of the league right away is because his size, his style of play is not marketing preference. It has nothing to do with your skills when it comes to being the face of the league. It has nothing to do with your skills. It has a little, but not everything. Let's say that. When they're looking for the face of the league, they're looking for someone who looks superhuman. Michael Jordan was 6'6. He can jump, fly, everything we used to look at him as. He how often do you walk up the street and you run into someone who's 6'6? Not often. Imagine this person shooting, dunking, playing defense, all these things. Super human. Now you might say, well, Steph Curry was the face of the league. True. But in order to be the face of the league and you under 6'5, 6'6, you have to have the people's attention. They wanted to make Allen Iverson the face of the league. They did. They tried. But he had too much stuff going on. Too much jewelry. Too much rap albums, hanging with the too much. Too much. But he had the attention of the public. Everybody was cutting up socks, wearing it as a sleeve. They knew he had the attention. Steph Curry. Steph Curry, every kid is shooting threes, even if they can't shoot threes. If I if I I coach, if I try to teach a kid, hey man, shoot this 15-footer, hey man, shoot some form shots, work your way back. You know what they're doing? Uh uh let me show I can shoot this three though. Let me shoot this shoot this three before I do the forum shooting. What? Come on, bro. What are we doing, man? What we doing? Jalen Brunson, if kids start jump stopping in the paint, he got the people attention. He got the people attention. If kids start shooting 15 footers, he got the people attention. If they start making one move and staying on the driving line and attacking, he got the people attention. He might be the face of the league. But they're going to keep pushing Wimby. Why? Wimby's 7'4. He is a skilled athlete. He looks superhuman. If you had a brand, if you had a league, do you want the person who is at average height? At average height to be the face, or someone that's gonna be attractive? Do you do Jalen Brunson got a nickname?

SPEAKER_03 30:07

Captain Clutch.

SPEAKER_08 30:09

No, bro. You just made that up. You just made that up. Hell no, bro. And I might even, you know, and I might even pause that. What? Captain Crutch is crazy. I'm gonna just let you know that. Captain Clutch, bro. Captain Clutch. Oh, Captain Clutch. I need to say Captain Clutch. I was like, that's kind of crazy. Captain Clutch. Captain Clutch, nah, that ain't it. It's cool, but it ain't better than the alien. Nah, it's not better than it ain't better than the alien. Everybody would. If I told you they caught an alien last night, is at the museum. Would you want to go and see it? Yeah, of course. There you go. There you go. You would want to go see that before you see Captain Clutch.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

If I told you Captain Clutch is pulling up to the building, you wouldn't want to go see him, bro.

SPEAKER_08 31:01

Over aliens? I'm gonna go to the museum and see the alien before I see that damn. If I see somebody score a couple points in the last minutes of the game, I don't care what you're talking about now. I ain't gonna lie to you. So when we sit here and we talk about the face of the league, it's just a it's a marketing preference. It's a marketing preference, man. When be superhuman, bro, they're gonna push it. They're gonna continue to push it, man. What's next on the menu?

SPEAKER_03 31:27

We got Isaiah Thomas still, and you talking about how they couldn't leave his teams back in the day. Oh yes.

SPEAKER_08 31:33

This is good. I'm I'm glad I'm glad Isaiah Thomas brought this up because everyone always talked about all LeBron, he left his team. Jordan would have never. Let's let's get into this clip. Let's get into this clip. Let's see what let's see what uh Isaiah Thomas is talking about.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

No.

SPEAKER_06 31:55

The reason why we couldn't key word, we couldn't change teams. I was a president of the Players Association and during my period of time, the whole fight was for free agency. We all wanted to be able to leave, change, and go to other places. Okay. But we couldn't. So when them older guys, my age bracket, start telling you, Oh, I never would have changed him. They couldn't. They couldn't leave the place that you were drafted. Yeah. There was no, you know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 32:39

They couldn't leave. Y'all, look, you know, you know what's crazy to me, E? That these that people really believe that basketball is some type of gladiator sport. Like it's like some type of warrior sport where guys just like, oh man, I'm so thankful I was drafted to the Wizards. I'm never leaving the Wizards. I'm never leaving them. No, bro. These listen, I'm be very blunt. These dudes is $40 million slaves. I ain't gonna lie to you. It's a book. It's a book. It's a book. I'm just referencing a book. That's all I'm doing. Just let everybody relax. Just relax. Because when I say this, I mean they really couldn't go nowhere. They really couldn't go nowhere. Listen, Michael Jordan rookie contract, first year, seven years, $6.3 million. That means he's making $900,000 a year. Now, Michael Jordan had a super extension. Why? Because within the first three years, excuse me, within the first three years, he had a scoring title, MVP, defensive player of the year. All of that was done in 1988. All that was done with 1988. They gave him his super extension and did eight years, 25 million. Eight years, 25 million, which gave him close to three, it was 3.3 million a year. Follow me, E?

SPEAKER_03 34:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 34:13

Now you might say, oh, that's not that bad, right? That's not that bad. Eight years, 25 million? 3.3.

SPEAKER_03 34:22

For the times, it doesn't sound that big. For the times.

SPEAKER_08 34:26

Granted, listen, granted, most salary caps at that time had about 15 million. 15, 12 to 15 million, right? So that's not that bad. That's not that bad. Yeah. Right? But then you gotta look at it like this. At one point, Michael Jordan was the reason the NBA was ticking. Michael Jordan was must see TV. Like in the 80s, it was rivals. Magic vs. Bird, the bad boy pistons. It was about the team. It was about the organization. When those guys started fizzling out, it became about the brand. The Michael Jordan brand. He had so much value. You would think, E, he was the highest paid athlete, right? Yep. He wasn't. You know who's the highest paid athlete? You know who, you know the people who made more money to him through 1990 to 94?

SPEAKER_03 35:26

What's Patrick? One of those guys.

SPEAKER_08 35:28

Patrick Ewan. Patrick Ewan made 4.2. Larry Bird. Larry Bird was on his way out. They gave him 7 million. David Robinson. David Robinson, they gave him 5 million. They gave him 5 million. Meanwhile, through 1990, through 1990, 94 or 93, the Bulls won three championships. So this is just my theory. This is just my theory. When it was time for Michael Jordan to make a decision, do he wants to play basketball after the passing of his father, I truly believe that the money that he was getting paid factor in. Because the only way he could get out of that contract is several ways. Finish the contract. Or you retire. He said, okay, I'ma just retire. I'm getting more money off endorsement anyway. I'm going through something with my family. I don't need this. Even when he came back, he still had to finish out that contract.

SPEAKER_09 36:49

That's why they didn't leave. They couldn't. Go look at Magic Johnson. 25, 20 million. 25, 20 million, lifelong deal.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

What, 25 years, 20 million?

SPEAKER_09 37:00

25, 25 million.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Yo, bro, that's a crazy contract.

SPEAKER_08 37:03

Larry Johnson had 103 million, I think it was 110 million dollars for like 12 years though.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

Ain't that bad. That's not that bad. Compared to 25, 12 million.

SPEAKER_09 37:13

12 years?

SPEAKER_03 37:15

12 years. Bro, you just say he Matthew Jazz had a 25 years, 23 million dollar contract.

SPEAKER_08 37:20

Yeah, 1 million dollars was a lot of money back then. That's the early 80s. That that listen, bro, that might have sound that might have sounded good.

SPEAKER_03 37:30

But you and you and you in LA? We compare Larry Johnson's. Well, he was in Charlotte, wasn't he? 100 mil for 12 years? Yeah. In Charlotte.

SPEAKER_08 37:40

Dog, that's terrible. That is terrible. That's terrible. Yeah. No, it wasn't, it wasn't 100. It was 12 years 84 million. Okay. 12 years 84 million is insane, bro. Like, so when they when they when people sit there like, oh, they wouldn't have left. They wouldn't have left. They wouldn't have done this. They wouldn't have did that. They the reason why they wouldn't have did it is because they couldn't. He was going, don't get me wrong, sure, you get paid 7 million. But for 12 years? Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

What's the next one a million? Next up, we got Kenny on the pivot. He talks, he says MJ wouldn't have, he wouldn't have won eight rings in a row. He wouldn't have won eight rings in a row?

SPEAKER_08 38:24

Yeah, he wouldn't have won. Let's see what Kenny's talking about. Kenny always talking some crazy stuff, bro. I don't think that's crazy though. Because I I personally believe Houston had the number. I think Houston had the number.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Be part of that.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

But do you really believe, honestly, he would have won eight championships in a row? We saw the last dance. All of the stuff that was going on internally with the team. And the one thing that I always thought while we can beat them the second year was they were too small. When no Horace Grant. Horace Grant had already gone to Orlando and Dennis Rodman wasn't there. That's the reason they lost to Orlando. If Horace Grant was still with them, they would have beat Orlando. But the fact that he was gone, they became such a smaller team, and we had Dream. If you're not double teaming Dream, forget that. If you can't single coverage Dream, you cannot beat us because we splashed you up too much from three. And so they had no one could guard Dream. And they would have been playing him one-on-one. And then if they try.

SPEAKER_08 39:37

Now, I agree. Not here's here's the reason why I agree. If you go look at Jordan and Hakeem Olajuan's matchup before Hakeem Olajuan's injuries, before the two the two-peat that he did, Hakeem Olajuwan had a better record, a better winning record. Also, too, they did lose to Orlando. They did lose, Bulls did lose to Orlando. And that's something people don't want to talk about. People never want to talk about when Jordan came back with the four and the five, four to five on the back. They don't want to talk about how Orlando got him out of there. And it was too small. So you know what they did? You know what they did, E? What they do. They go get Dennis Rodman. They go get Dennis Rodman. And then I'm not gonna lie, just to go back to what I was talking about with the contract. I'm going on a limb right here. I don't think, I think Jordan was okay with that, losing. I I don't think he wanted to win another championship on that contract. Because if he if he comes back, win another championship on a contract, he would have won four championships, making three million dollars a year. As the main attraction in the NBA. So how does losing better his case though? What do you mean better his case? Shoot, I'm not I'm not giving y'all another champion, I'm not playing another eight games, seven games to give y'all a championship. No, if y'all want to see me, y'all, yeah, because that's where they're gonna make their money at. That's that's what they made. You you just saw, you just saw the the New York Knicks and the um and the Spurs, but uh their streams or whatever you call it, the views, yeah. The viewers should they make their money off that. He was like, you know what? And then this when Jordan came back. This after the year Pippen had his feet in the in the uh his shoe up, telling him, come on back. Okay, you know what I mean? So he like, you know what? When Nick Anderson stole that ball from him, he like, you know what, you got it, bro.

unknown 41:45

You got it.

SPEAKER_08 41:46

I ain't even gonna get listen. Y'all, y'all want me to go chase Nick Anderson, y'all pay me. And I believe in this stuff because it is a business, man. Us as fans believe that these guys should just be playing for the sake of playing. They don't you they shouldn't care about what the decisions the GM make. They they should just focus on basketball. Only us as fans want that because we are fans, but that is their career, that's their life, and I truly believe Jordan did. Uh Jordan didn't care as much about that. But I do believe, and I now also agree with Kenny. I don't think he would have won eight in a row. I think that's good to think. I think that's good to think, but I don't think he would have won eight in a row. Hakeem had his number. What's the next one, menu?

SPEAKER_03 42:30

Next up, we've got the big three. There's a fight at the big three.

SPEAKER_07 42:34

That's disgusting. That's disgusting. Let's see what they're talking about. These dudes, man.

SPEAKER_12 43:18

I'm gonna see guys who here's the thing, man.

SPEAKER_08 43:26

We got uh we got a Lance part in this?

SPEAKER_03 43:29

No, we got Lance in this. I'll pull it up, pull it up.

SPEAKER_08 43:32

So here's the thing. Let's talk about Beasley while you pull it up. So here's the thing with Beasley, right? I think it's more WWE with him. Like I think he knows what sales. I think him going out and just playing basketball no longer sells. I think he understands that people want the antics. People want the wild stuff. But I don't think he understands that we really don't need it. Is it different between wanting something and needing it? I think his game speaks for itself. You don't got to do that. And I don't know what they got against Dwight Howard. I saw another clip online where Bees was shooting around. Dwight Howard was walking to the gym. Bees had said something, slicked to Dwight Howard. Dwight Howard is constantly ignoring these guys. He just trying to get to a bag. He just trying to play some basketball. That's what I think they should do. I mean, I'm looking at, you know the biggest thing for me? Two things in this. I'm looking in the crowd and I'm seeing young people. I'm seeing little girls, little boys. And it's in such an intimate environment. Like they're right up on the court. It's not like a big, a big court and and it's 20,000, 18,000 people in the gym. It's it there there are little kids in there, and and you just acting wild and crazy, and they and their parents gotta explain this to their kids. They gotta explain this to their kids. The second part of it is this. As an entrepreneur, I understand to a certain degree what Ice Cube is trying to build. And he's done a great job with this, by the way. He's now on CBS. And listen, I don't know, like I remember the NBA, they used to be like that too. They were getting little scuffles, but that ultimately used to hurt the NBA. That's why you that's why when Jordan came in, it was a good it was a good pivot to more wholesome and more wholesome um entertainment. And then you may say, well, they still was fighting, but yeah, they do, but they got like 30 teams. Like the kids don't, the the kid might be up in the stands. You talking about someone who's trying to build something as a three-on-three, is intimate. He's trying to get more sponsorship, more brand deals, he's trying to get more partners with this thing. And you got two guys in this league who just can't play basketball, they gotta do the antics. That hurts the business. I remember when I used to run leagues myself, smaller leagues, of course, but I would run these leagues in these areas, and there's always a couple knuckleheads that's want to linger around. It'll cost $10 to get in. Oh, I ain't paying $10 to get in, bro. This is our part. We you better be glad we let you up in here. It's still your part. You have that from done. That's good. You know what I mean? You can have it. So, but it's always these, it's always some knuckleheads that kind of ruin it. And you got that now. I'm sitting at the door and I gotta watch these guys, I gotta talk to these guys. They order the phone. Yo, come up here. You know, a couple guys come up there, then they start looking in there, and now everybody looking all uncomfortable. They got 10, 11-year-olds in there playing basketball. You know what I mean? So it's like one of them things where, man, I I really, you know, I I don't know if this is like some WWE stuff for them, but Mike, Mike Beasley, you don't, you don't gotta, you don't gotta do that. There's a difference between wanting something and needing something. We got Lance, Lance portion in this. Yeah, I got Lance. Here we go. Let me see what Lance's talking about, man. First off, first I get is it a Rwanda or no? Yes. You don't got a Rwanda. Anyway, if you go look at it, go look at, go look at uh Nick, Nick Young's body language. I reminder right now, I got you. Go look at Nick Young's body language. And then you hear some girl in the stands like, come on. You you you see, you you you hear her her her say, come on, because it's like nonsense. We came here to watch basketball. I got my kids here. Look at this. What you doing? Why are you doing that? Look at nigga, nigga, look at Nigga yellow. Look at Nigga. Watch Nigga body. Like he confused. He like, yo, what is he doing, bro? What is he doing? We just hold first off, look, I'm I'm and I'm gonna be and I ain't gonna spend too much time on this. Last Stevenson. I'm not gonna throw Beasley in. I think Beasley, I'm gonna throw Beasley in there. Forget it. I'm gonna throw Beasley in there. These two guys are men who don't want to outlive their childhood. They don't want to outlive their childhood. Like you listen to them in interviews, everything is about their childhood. I mean, how old is Lance Stevenson? Lance Stevenson's gotta be what, 37, 36? I know Beasley gotta be around my age, 38, 39. Like these guys, these guys are older, older guys and just haven't outlived their childhood. Their ego means everything. They're 35 years old. Their bravado is everything to them. They want everybody to see their ego rather than their game. So when you sit and you watch some of these players, Beasley, 37, you sit and watch some of these players and you see how they act at that age. Just imagine when they was young. Just imagine them young with money. Just imagine it. So so when they sit in these interviews and say, oh, they didn't give me a fair shake. They didn't give me a no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You acting like this at 37. It ain't even an audience for you for the there ain't there is not an audience of that has money. The the the 37-year-old, I'm gonna be real with you, bro. I'm gonna be real with you because I hate to see my people like this. The 37-year-olds who love to see stuff like this are the same 37-year-olds who save Bitco cups. I go up front. They just say the 37-year-olds who like to see stuff like this is the people who who wash Wawa cups. I'm dead ass.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

You and these cups, bro.

SPEAKER_08 50:38

I'm I'm serious. I can't imagine anyone of sophistication or any or anyone of intelligence, class, because that's what you at at 37, 38. Hard worker, working for your family, working to build a family, positioning yourself for a better life. I can't imagine they they doing this, bro. At 37, 38, I'm going to private runs. There's all my friends, we just having a good time. We're just trying to burn a sweat or break a sweat, burn some fat. It's part of our workout routine. We not fighting. We're not. These guys are looking for fights everywhere. They ruin the runs everywhere. But they bravado and ego and in this form of entertainment means too much to them. It means way too much to them. And I don't think they understand. We're gonna pay the money to see you play regardless. You were great players without it. You could have been on mute and we would have seen you. Why? Lance Stevenson and Mike Beasy played each other one-on-one last summer. Now let me ask you this, E. Would you have watched that one-on-one game? If you would you watch that one-on-one game if they was if they were if they weren't talking?

SPEAKER_03 51:57

If they wasn't talking?

SPEAKER_08 51:58

Yeah, if they wasn't talking in the smack. If they didn't have a face off, would you still have watched it?

SPEAKER_03 52:01

Nah, uh, I'm not 29.

SPEAKER_09 52:04

I would have watched it.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

If they wasn't talking.

SPEAKER_09 52:06

Yeah, they they good players.

SPEAKER_03 52:08

If they wasn't talking smack.

SPEAKER_09 52:09

One-on-one, Lance Stevenson, Mike Beasley, you're not watching that on the strength for the culture?

SPEAKER_03 52:14

It would have been a fun game, yes. But the antics.

SPEAKER_09 52:17

I'm watching that.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

Nah, the antics, the talking smack would make it more hype. No, no, no, no. Would you would you the qu I feel like the question would be, would it be more anticipated? Like, would you be like with a hype beater, with a buildup beater? Because that's what the smack is.

SPEAKER_08 52:32

I mean, I think I think you I think it's good to talk smack for that. I think the entertainment portion and all that type of stuff is cool for that moment, right? That's that's what a face-off is. That's a fake face-off is a time where everybody with both both uh players or opponents are are all I live on a live street here. Uh the opponents, the opponents are all talking back and forth to each other. I I believed in that, right? But at the end of the day, when you stop in a game, they had to forfeit this game. Oh, they had to forfeit this game because they got because too big people got ejected. Yeah. You're ruining a moment. That's different. Now, now let me ask you this. They play one, they play in one-on-one, right? They play one-on-one. And then halfway through, they get into they're not because they never really fighting. They never really fighting, right? They never really fighting. They really just let's call it a scuffle.

SPEAKER_03 53:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:41

And then they say, oh, we can't have a one-on-one no more. Do you still like it? Nah, I'll I'll be more bummed out. Exactly. You ruining it. You ruining, you ruining an experience. You feel me?

SPEAKER_03 53:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 53:54

Say, and then when y'all had an opportunity to prove how tough you are with the NMA match, you tap out, you tap out the first 30 seconds. Come on, man. Something ain't adding up, man. Something ain't adding up, bro. MacBee's, Lance Stevenson, man. Let's do better, bro. Let's do better. Man, make sure y'all check us out, man. We we on every social media platform, Score of Society, man. Support the brand. You know, I think I got a few of these hats left. We got some comfortable shorts, comfortable hoodies. 25% off when you use code Real Hoopers at checkout. Make sure y'all tap in. Go to goalsactivewear.com and get yourself some shorts, man. Get yourself some hooping gear. And if you have, if you are an athlete, you have a niece, nephew, a son who's an athlete, and they're being under-recruited. They're being under-recruited. They not get enough eyeballs on them. You're tired of going to all the truck the AAU games, paying all the money. I'm gonna help you out. We partner with Scout Us College. Scout Us College is a recruitment platform. It's a recruitment platform that you can just make a profile, put your game film in, and now hundreds of coaches can view your game film. They can filter out what player they want. We want to look for a 6'2 player, 220 pounds, and they'll start finding you. So make sure you go to scotterscollege.com, check it out. They also offer NIL deals. If you decide to upgrade your profile, use code ScoreSociety. Use code Score Society and get yourself a discount, man. But there you have it, man. That's another show for the real hoopers. We out of here. Until next time, let's continue to think elite and together. Welcome to Score Society.