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Vanishing Ships and Time Travelers: Inside the Philadelphia and Montauk Experiments
Secret government experiments, teleporting warships, and boys with psychic powers — these aren't just plotlines from science fiction. They're the cornerstone of two of America's most enduring conspiracy theories that we're diving into today.
The Philadelphia Experiment allegedly occurred in 1943 when the USS Eldridge vanished during a top-secret military test to make ships invisible to radar. According to witnesses, the ship not only disappeared from Philadelphia but briefly materialized in Norfolk, Virginia before returning. The aftermath was gruesome — sailors fused into the metal structure of the ship, while two brothers reportedly jumped overboard and traveled 200 years into the future.
But this story didn't emerge until 1955, when a man using multiple aliases wrote annotations in a UFO book. That's where things get truly bizarre, especially when we connect it to the Montauk Project — a series of alleged experiments conducted at Camp Hero in New York decades later. Preston Nichols, claiming to have recovered repressed memories of being a project supervisor, described psychic experiments, time travel portals, and contact with aliens from Sirius. The two brothers who jumped from the Eldridge supposedly ended up working at Montauk with no memory of their original experience.
What makes these stories persist despite naval records contradicting key claims? Perhaps it's because they touch on documented truths about government experimentation. The CIA's MK-Ultra program did explore mind control and psychedelics. Remote viewing was investigated as a surveillance technique. The boundaries between conspiracy theory and classified reality are often blurrier than we'd like to admit.
Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, join us as we examine what might have really happened at Philadelphia and Montauk, and why these stories continue to captivate our imagination decades later. Subscribe to hear more explorations of the strange and unexplained on The Huntsman Podcast.
okay, everybody, it has been literally years. So, uh, I'm curtis, this is yvonne and drew. Yvonne and drew are on the couch. Um, drew is on the right.
Speaker 2:I mean I know you can tell that right, but well, maybe with there there does need to be some clarification who's drew, who's yvonne?
Speaker 3:that's well, you know never know we all used to work together and that's all you get.
Speaker 1:I'm getting yeah, I mean well, yeah, we did we did in a previous life we did in an alternate universe.
Speaker 3:Yes, which is actually what we're gonna be talking about today.
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Speaker 3:Yeah, it's still open, yeah.
Speaker 1:Although I see the building we used to work in is for sale. It's always for sale, I think.
Speaker 2:I know, isn't that weird?
Speaker 1:It's like they closed it but then they put something else in it. I guess I don't know. Yeah, it's only a handful of people.
Speaker 2:I just noticed that the other day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so anyway.
Speaker 2:But I think that's why we look so good is because we got out of there.
Speaker 1:No, it's for me. It's for me, it's Photoshop. So. Filters and makeup.
Speaker 4:I know how to edit in photoshop, so if I take a picture of myself, we'll throw a filter over this way, please, okay so here we go, we are for the curious, the skeptical and those who know the world is stranger than it seems, we are the huntsman podcast all right, we are back um.
Speaker 1:Today we're actually talking about a couple different things that are somewhat related, so yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2:I think this is incredibly exciting. So today we're diving into two mind bending stories secret government experiments, vanishing ships and the possibility that we're all living in an alternate universe. In an alternate universe, Curtis, do you want to talk to us today about the Philadelphia Experiment? I saw the movie back in the 80s, loved it, loved Michael Perrier. But there's a legend about the USS Eldridge and its disappearance in 1943. Talk to us about that, Curtis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the legend is, or the theory is, that in 1943 the USS Eldridge, which was a destroyer built during World War II, had been built in the Philadelphia yards or somewhere close by was running an experiment, and I think it was Einstein's. What was it Einstein's? I can't remember what the actual experiment was, but basically the idea was to try to. During the war they were always trying to work with camouflage and trying to make things harder to see. So I know that they would put ships on the horizon with bright lights and actually when you would look at it and they turned their bright lights on, the ship would actually disappear on the horizon. But they wanted the ship's 1943 radar, which is coming out. They wanted it to be invisible. Radar was just coming out. They wanted it to be invisible to radar, but not only invisible to radar, they wanted it to be invisible by the human eye. So this experiment allegedly was to make the ship physically disappear.
Speaker 1:So one day in the harbor in Philadelphia they activated the experiment. They launched the ship with a skeleton crew. They turned on the generators to run the experiment. When they did, the ship disappeared for about three minutes, purportedly. The ship reappeared in Norfolk, virginia, sat there for a minute or two and then came back to the Philadelphia Harbor. When it rematerialized the skeleton crew had I guess the crew members had melded into the steel. So parts of their body were in the steel bulk as the walls, things like that. Two of the crew members there were brothers apparently jumped off the side of the ship when the experiment started. So they didn't get melded in but they actually time traveled forward a couple hundred years. So that's where the legend kind of starts off. At that was the actual Philadelphia experiment. That's where the movie came from, the lore of this experiment. So, that being said, it didn't actually come out until 12 years after the fact.
Speaker 1:So in 1955, a gentleman wrote a book on UFOs and in that book it was Morris K Jessup and he wrote a book called the Case for the UFO and the book mentioned nothing of the Philadelphia Project. And the book mentioned nothing of the Philadelphia Project. But somebody turned into the Office of Naval Research an annotated version of this book and in the annotations it was like it was being talked about from three different perspectives, three different people, and they were thinking that there may maybe alien or some sort of well, they were thinking they were alien, because the spelling was weird, the capitalizations were weird. It was like they're having a conversation between themselves of how close this Morris Jessup got to the fundamentals of how UFOs work, and so the Office of Naval Research received this annotated version and then they went to Jessup and Jessup actually recognized the hand drain but we can go into a little bit more detail about that. But in these annotations it mentioned the Philadelphia Project or Philadelphia Experiment. So that's how the Philadelphia Experiment sort of came out.
Speaker 2:But it didn't come out until 12 years after the fact, until after it sounds plausible to me that this is something that the government would tinker with, right? I mean, you know, you think of all of the other you know bizarre things that have come out about, you know, with the government experiments. I mean this sounds like something that, um, that could have actually happened. I mean, what I mean with were there? Did they talk about any type of psychological or, you know, physical, uh, impurities that happened? I mean you said there were two, two guys that survived. Is that right?
Speaker 1:Two guys supposedly survived, and that's how it kind of ties in with the Montauk. That's. The second thing we're going to talk about is the Montauk project.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:So Montauk project was in actually in Montauk, new York, and it was a radar base that was installed after the war and basically it was an early notice radar system. During the Cold War, if Russia decided to launch bombers, they were going to, you know, be able to see them from a long distance. So very, very powerful radar was installed in Montauk, new York. And it was actually the camp, was actually Camp Hero. Everybody knew about it, it was there. So the two guys that supposedly jumped off the side of the ship were working at Montauk, new York, but they had repressed memories of the Philadelphia experiment and basically in Montauk they're messing around with a bunch of different things. One was time travel and going to different dimensions and somehow they opened up a portal back to 1943 with the USS Eldridge.
Speaker 2:So, and then these guys that's whenever they were like oh, this triggered a memory.
Speaker 1:Correct Right. Yeah, I didn't mute my phone, sorry about that. Or my watch, sorry. It's technology it's telling me to be mindful and I don't want to be mindful. So, that being said, yeah, so you know it's kind of weird because the USS Eldridge, if you look at the military records for the USS Eldridge, if you look at the military records for the USS Eldridge, they say that it was never in or it wasn't in Philadelphia in 1943.
Speaker 1:Well it was in Philadelphia at that time frame when they said when the experiment occurred and the guy that said that he was on a merchant marine vessel Carl Allen, yeah, he said that he was on a merchant marine vessel, carl Allen yeah, next to it and he watched it disappear and watched it come back. You know people, experts say that the USS Eldridge had degaussian. Is that right Degaussian?
Speaker 3:Degaussian, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what does that?
Speaker 1:mean. So basically they're experimenting with making the ship invisible to magnetic mines, so when the ship, they would activate this stuff and magnetic mines wouldn't be attracted to the hull so they could go through a minefield and oh, mine M-I-N-E, Mine, yes, okay.
Speaker 3:Now, didn't it? I'm sorry for interrupting, but didn't that also tie into? You know, journey boats are really wearing the hull of the Atlantic fleet. They needed something to, for some reason, the magnet.
Speaker 3:I don't know if magnetism was used at the time with German U-boat torpedoes or not, but I think there was another reason to it, why they were really for the degaussing part of it, gauzing part of it so they'd be able to. You know, the torpedoes from the german u-boats would not be able to, you know, target their ships because there wouldn't be any um, you know steel signature for their, the magnetic portion of the torpedo to you know lock on to other than just you know it's. It's normally, you know torpedo during the time was the captain would get up with the periscope and look and point and shoot basically at what the target was. It's more complicated now. I mean you know you're talking almost 80 years later, but at the time it was just basically, you know, point and click, and. But I don't know if the Germans incorporated the ability to use, you know, magnetism as an attractant to steal whole ships or not. I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've never heard that they were using attracted to magnetism for that. From my understanding, the degaussing was for mines, magnetic mines, magnetic mines. So when a ship would go by, it would basically go towards that steel hull, you know it had the prongs on it, and then it would hit Right. Yeah yeah, steel hull and you know had the prongs on it, and then it would hit. Yeah, so I don't know, you know, if they were, I know the U-boats were wearing them out. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:I feel like I should have brushed up on my war history with this well you know, and I mean there's a.
Speaker 3:You know we can get into the Enigma and you and the coding system that Germans used and our attempts to crack it. And then there were a number of really good movies that were made about it, with some really fine actors and mathematicians, regarding cracking Enigma. One of the first computers was invented during that time to help correct the enigma code and of course, there were a number of the actual machines, like a typewriter in a wooden box, basically with rotors and ciphers on it, and they could change all these combinations of coding and what they did is, you know, you go and type this thing in and it would just look like gibberish coming out, but it was an encoded message. And once the Allies were able to debate, as another part of us winning the war in the Atlantic against the, you know, the Axis power in Germany was to, you know, get those codes cracked.
Speaker 1:Right, and we cracked the Japanese code and that's how we shot down Yamamoto in the Pacific. But yeah, I know it's. We're getting sidetracked here.
Speaker 2:I apologize for that it's okay.
Speaker 1:I was like, bring it back to the fun stuff, guys one of the accounts were that the ship had a green glow about it when it disappeared and came back. Kind of a green glow, fog around it. You know, I don't know what would attribute to that. That could be like St Elmo's fire. You know ships would report that usually has to do with lightning. That would cause a kind of a glow around the masts and things like that the ship, not a fog, it wouldn't be a fog.
Speaker 1:But you know, kind of going back to the original account, the guy that wrote the book, he wrote a book for human encounters, the case for the UFO. It was written in 1955 by a guy by the name of Morris K Jessup and the guy that when the annotations went into the book it was found out that there's a guy by the name of Carlos M Allen who was writing this author letters and when this, apparently Carlos Allen sent the annotated version to the Office of Naval Research and Jessup recognized Allen's handwriting as the guy who wrote the annotations in the sign. So the Philadelphia experiment came really strictly from this Carl Allen. His full name is Carl Meredith Allen, but he also he was American, he also went by Carlos Miguel Alarde, something like that, and then he spoke with a Spanish accent, so I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 2:So let me make sure I'm keeping up here. Yeah, so Carl aka Carlos.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So he was not on the ship. That's correct. He witnessed this happen.
Speaker 1:Yes, is that what we're saying? He was supposedly on what ship was it it was? What was it? Uh drew uh, do you remember?
Speaker 3:the name of the ship.
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't so disappointed in you too that you do not have that fact yeah, no, I have it written down somewhere in my scrawl here.
Speaker 1:Uh, I forget what the name is. It was a merchant.
Speaker 3:It's Andrew. It's spelled F-U-R-U-S-E-T-H. Okay Versed.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right Okay so he was on that boat, okay. So can we pause for a moment, because I still want to. Okay, so can we pause for a moment, because I still want to. So we're saying that, if this is to be believed which I believe it, I believe it, drew, I believe this happened.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:That everyone perished, but two people. Is that right? Isn't that supposedly like there were two survivors, and has anyone ever talked to those two survivors?
Speaker 1:Well, that's where it gets weird, because they appear in Montauk.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the two survivors appear in Montauk. Okay, so have we ever gotten from them like what happened to them? Like did they go into the future, did they go into the past? Like what happened to them when that ship teleported? What happened to those guys?
Speaker 1:So oh and wait.
Speaker 2:How come they didn't die.
Speaker 1:Because they jumped off the side of the ship as the experiment started to happen.
Speaker 2:Okay, so they jumped off the ship and they were transported to the future.
Speaker 1:They, they jumped off the ship and they were transported to the future oh to the future yes okay, well, hopefully not 2020, because I'm going to be disappointed.
Speaker 1:We didn't get a warning on that and so the other poor slobs were wearing a ship when they returned. Right, so it was a new, new, new necklace thing, that's where a steel ship, a porthole around your neck type of thing, exactly. Yeah, so let's see here, if I can. Yeah, you know, it gets confusing because these guys didn't remember they were on the ship until their memories came back at Montauk. But apparently they jumped the ship, they transported ahead 200 years, somehow they found their way back and then they prevented the leap forward from happening. It didn't give specifics as to why or how they prevented it from happening, but it did. And then years later, they were working at the Montauk or Cape Hope or Camp Hope.
Speaker 2:So they jumped off the ship.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:But they still teleported, yes, yes. So when the ship came back, they didn't come back with it. Oh, they did not come back with it. No, no, okay, that's where I was getting confused, but they came back later.
Speaker 1:Okay, they did not come back. Okay, that's where I was getting confused. But they came back later. Okay, years later. But somehow, from my understanding, they somehow said that they prevented the original leap forward in years from happening. But keep in mind, the only one saying that the Philadelphia experiment happened was this Carlos Allen. He's the only one that ever mentions it, and he mentions it 12 years later in these notes. Now, one thing they say that when they did this, that when it was sent to the Navy, the Navy actually made 100 copies, 100 or so copies of this. And people always say, well, if it wasn't important, then why would the Navy make 100 copies?
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's a good question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think if somebody writes a crazy letter and you work for the government and you don't have email at the time, photocopies are free.
Speaker 3:Actually the photocopies aren't, but the paper's free.
Speaker 1:Well, they work for the government, so it doesn't cost them anything to make 100 copies of this. And they say, hey, look at this, buddy, look at this.
Speaker 2:So like what to show? Like all of their friends, like, look at this crazy writing. Yeah, so instead of like forwarding to 10 people, you're saying they made a hundred copies to share yes, and sent them to everyone yeah, now the book was republished, I think with the annotations in it.
Speaker 1:Um, at a later time, the guy that actually wrote the book the case for the ufo when he wrote the book, he wrote it in 1955. He actually apparently committed suicide in 1959.
Speaker 3:That's convenient.
Speaker 1:There is some suspicion as to why he committed suicide. They say he's committed suicide. Others say that maybe he was too close to UFO information. We've heard this story before and the government took him out, you know. So there's some controversy around his death. Apparently, in real life he was having some issues, some problems, financial and otherwise. And they say, or the government says, and so therefore he just it was a true suicide, he just ended his life. So unfortunately, so we can't actually talk to him but was he going to meet somebody?
Speaker 3:and then he was, like, found in the car and died of carbon dioxide poisoning yes is that what it was?
Speaker 1:yes, apparently he got very excited about something, he got a discovery or something came to light, and he was going to meet up with somebody and share this information with them. And then he died and he was dead.
Speaker 2:Okay, so keep me grounded here.
Speaker 1:So this guy, who's the name of the guy that wrote the book, the guy that wrote the book the Case for the UFO, for the Montauk or for the UFO.
Speaker 2:For the Case for the UFO book for the Montauk, or for the UFO For the Case for the.
Speaker 1:UFO book Morris K Jessup.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Jessup wrote the book.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And then, and then he started receiving letters from Carl Meredith Allen or Carlos Miguel Allende, yeah, saying he witnessed the Philadelphia experiment.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Allen was on the SS Andrew Ferseth Ferseth.
Speaker 3:Ferseth, ferseth.
Speaker 1:And witnessed his appearance and reappearl A reappearance. He talked about naval researching experiments with Einstein's field theory. That's what it was, and that had gone awry somehow.
Speaker 2:Uh, but alan's memory was incomplete so why would someone start writing an author of an alien book?
Speaker 1:about this? It didn't. The book was not successful, um In 1955, I don't think people were really thinking about aliens at that time, don't know, maybe he just felt like writing a book about aliens and alien technology and how they might work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, I get that, but I'm talking about the JUSEPP. Why would he like if he witnessed this, which I think he did.
Speaker 3:Well, jessup didn't witness it. No, allen did, allen did yes.
Speaker 1:It was just Allen wrote the notes in Jessup's annotated in his book, mentioned the Philadelphia experiment. He also was writing Jessup letters in which he mentioned the Philadelphia experiment, mentioned the philadelphia experiment, um, but as far as anybody knows, the only one that witnessed it, uh, or told the story of it, was this alan and then the two guys later who said they had repressed memories of it when they were in montauk, new york okay, I want to skip ahead to those guys.
Speaker 3:Okay, so now can we go back back to, because you asked the question about why did jesse write about the ufos? Okay, and I'm just hypothesizing here, but we're only talking only eight years past roswell, from 1947. He wrote the book in 55, so there would be some you know, you know and you know we've gone back to. You know um gateways, andways and portals being opened in the desert in Mojave and the Mojave Desert in California with Jack Parson and L Ron Hubbard, but that's a story for another time that's going to be another episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're going to talk about that too.
Speaker 3:That's going to be another episode.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're going to talk about that too. And you know, it was still I mean people still seeing UFOs and I think that it would have been a really good time for him to you know if he was going to, you know whether it was, you know regardless if it was fact or fiction. It would have been really a really ripe time ripe to go ahead and publish a book about that subject matter. I think that's probably why he did it. He saw something he could write about and I think he took advantage. It was probably a really good idea to write the book at the time, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I can see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just one other thing. Carl Allen admitted that it was a hoax later on, but then he recanted and said it wasn't a hoax. And then he said it was a hoax, and then he said it wasn't Imagine that. But let's just so. Let's just jump back a little bit forward to Montauk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to talk about.
Speaker 1:Montauk Montauk, New York, Camp Hero. It was an Air Force base. The television show Stranger Things was going to originally be called Montauk as an homage to the Montauk project. Oh, that's cool, but because of what do you call it? Production issues, they could not do it in New York, so they had to kind of move the location.
Speaker 2:To Indiana the story to Indiana.
Speaker 1:So that's when they called it Stranger Things. So Montauk, new York, was a radar installation. It was built in the 50s. I believe it was built in the 50s. I believe it was built in the 50s with a very, very large, sensitive radar to detect Russians from coming over, and it was basically early warning system.
Speaker 3:It probably would have been part of like the, not the dew line, not the distant early warning system that they had set up between. There was a coordination between Canada and the United States, including Alaska into Canada, and that ran in past to Montauk, and it would be part of it was an area defense command, or ADCOM is what you want to call it then, from a historical perspective, Right, regardless, thank you.
Speaker 1:They built this radar. People complained because this high-powered radar, they said it was giving them headaches. Locals were complaining that it was giving them headaches and things like that. Weird things were happening, they said to them. But the radar installation stayed active until, I believe, 1981 when it was decommissioned.
Speaker 3:Oh, and hastily abandoned Right.
Speaker 1:Basically, they put chain links around it and they wouldn't let anybody in it. Right, they wanted to. Some people tried to go in and explore, but they wouldn't let them.
Speaker 2:Is that because it's actually upside down world? Is that why?
Speaker 1:It could be. They said that there was a lot of underground facilities built into the base to the camp which honestly, I would be surprised if there wasn't. As an Air Force base, I would imagine they would have underground facilities. They want to bury stuff in case it gets bombed. So I would be very, very surprised if Air Force base didn't have some sort of underground things. But in this underground facility let's see a guy by the name of I'm talking about Preston Nichols. Yes, preston Nichols wrote a book about, called the Montauk Project.
Speaker 2:Oh well, there you go, that's simple.
Speaker 1:He wrote it in 1992. He wrote it with a co-writer by the name of Peter Moon, aka Vince Barbaric.
Speaker 2:All these aliases yeah.
Speaker 1:Nichols was an electrical engineer who worked with physics and at the particular time he traced some problems with people back to this radar station. But he couldn't get access to the radar station, so he just kind of let it go. Nichols finally got a tour with the caretaker of the facility after it had been decommissioned and a man recognized Nichols and said he had been the boss, a guy by the name of Braylock Cameron.
Speaker 3:Cameron.
Speaker 1:Braylock.
Speaker 3:I believe so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, of Braylock, cameron, cameron, braylock, I believe. So, yeah, yeah. And so all of a sudden, after he'd been reintroduced to this guy, all of a sudden all this repressed memory started to resurface and Nichols said, basically he was living in two different realities and found out that he was the project manager on the base and that they were running secret experiments yes, financed by.
Speaker 2:The government, the United States government, no who.
Speaker 1:By Nazi gold. Oh my gosh, $10 billion of Nazi gold which was on a train into a tunnel in France and the tunnel had been exploded and this gold had disappeared and it actually was worth about $200 billion in current day currency. But this brings that funded the experiments with the famous Montauk chair, basically trying to help people do mind reading, training, a transmitter for enhancing abilities, transmitting across realities.
Speaker 2:Is that the remote viewing?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is that where remote viewing came from?
Speaker 3:No, it didn't, but he was playing around with it. It was a laundry list of they were. He was playing around with it, it was. It was one. It was a laundry list of things that he was actually doing and and that was one of them that he was. He was a pair in the parapsychology and that kind of. There's a there's a close line between parapsychology and remote viewing. We'll get into that in our remote viewing um episode that we're going to do and so this kind of goes into.
Speaker 1:Uh where blaylock out that he with his brother were the ones that jumped off the ship in the Philadelphia Project.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what year is this?
Speaker 1:This would have been 1981, 1982.
Speaker 2:So 1981, 82, okay.
Speaker 1:And so, between 1943 and 1983, wormholes had opened up, and the only ones who controlled them were apparently Nichols, because he was the supervisor.
Speaker 2:Okay, wormholes yes, had opened up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they could open up wormholes and travel through these wormholes, and one has to deal with going to Mars. Now Nichols said that they videotaped all this stuff these people traveling in these wormholes but he doesn't have access to the videotaped all this stuff, these people traveling in these wormholes but he doesn't have access to the videotapes. He can't find the videotapes. Of course not. They traveled to Mars, the pyramids on Mars, the famous face on Mars, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:Apparently there was a colony living on Mars, on the surface, and they're trying to get into the pyramids to access the alien technology. Right, that was on Mars. Access the alien technology.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That was on Mars, which makes sense, yeah, so, but apparently to find people and Drew, you can correct me on this but they would bring in people, usually young people, orphans. It was orphans, orphans and indigent, like the homeless troubled homeless youth troubled youths, youths.
Speaker 1:There's a T-H young boys, young men then they would give them drugs and, I don't know, torture uh well, let's just say it wasn't very nice yeah, so basically they, they would break them down and so this is all happening at in in new york the montauk in the montauk camp yeah. That's what we're saying Right. Oh my gosh. So as their abilities progressed, finally it came to a head and they got tired of the abuse. So one Person who is particularly talented or had Powerful Powerful Created some sort of being.
Speaker 2:Like they manifested this being.
Speaker 3:Manifested the being Creature? I believe wasn't it Creature? Yes, who went through?
Speaker 1:Tore, everything up, tore, all the equipment up. And when he was done tearing everything up, he disappeared. He disappeared, and so that's when they called the end to the project. They cleared everything out Hastily, they debriefed everyone, brainwashed them. Oh, okay, and then poured concrete into the tunnel works.
Speaker 2:So when you say brainwashed them, are you saying like wiped their memory, like in Men in Black?
Speaker 1:Yes, that is correct, so, but obviously it didn't work too well.
Speaker 2:Never does.
Speaker 1:Because all of a sudden, their repressed memories had come out.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And that's where we're starting. That's where the story was. And then the Preston Nichols wrote the book in 1992, followed by four more books.
Speaker 2:So, about a decade later, their memories start coming back to them. Do we know what triggered their repressed memories?
Speaker 1:From my understanding, when Nichols was walking around the base with the caretaker, he ran into somebody who recognized him as being the supervisor or one of the supervisors. Oh, I see, and that's when the repressed memories started coming out. And then also okay, this kind of goes back to Philadelphia Project the two guys that worked at Montauk said that they were the brothers and they had repressed memories of the Philadelphia Project, that their memories had been jogged from the movie that came out. When was that movie? It was in the early 80s.
Speaker 1:Michael Perrier was in it.
Speaker 2:And I loved him.
Speaker 1:I actually couldn't stand the movie. I hated that movie.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:I couldn't stand the lead actor, the guy you like, michael Perrier.
Speaker 2:I mean, he was Eddie in Eddie and the Cruisers. Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Streets of Fire. Yeah, I didn't dig it. No, I didn't do it Okay. Well, yeah, no accounting for taste, right? No, no, exactly so, anyway, yeah, so that brought their memories back of the Philadelphia experiment and all that good stuff. And then, when the books came out, other subjects started to come forward saying that they remembered have been subjects at.
Speaker 3:Montauk.
Speaker 2:At Montauk OK.
Speaker 3:And then there was the House of Falling Cards for Preston Nichols at that point Right.
Speaker 1:Well, what were the accusations true?
Speaker 2:yeah, talk to us, drew about this okay, this is gonna be.
Speaker 3:We're gonna. This is gonna be dark and, um, if there's loved ones around, you know they may not want to hear any of this because it's really gonna. It's. It's rather disturbing.
Speaker 3:Um, these, these young were, and older boys, my understanding is they were molested and then Preston Nichols was doing it and, as a result of that, these allegations really started to mount because of victims of torture, victims of torture and we'll just say use the term torture, sexual assault, if you want to use that term. Our subconscious gives us the ability to push these, depending on what our age is when the trauma occurs, to push this thing back into your subconscious and because your subconscious protects you and it keeps this stuff from out in front. However, things throughout our normal lives can trigger these repressed memories and then it will wind up coming out and it did in this case and Preston Nichols book sales dropped off and he lost his ass and people quit returning his calls and no one would publish any more of his stuff so part of it was when these uh people were coming forward with these repressed memories, trauma, ptsd, I guess he the theory.
Speaker 1:From my understanding, he would put them through a detoxification which involved them in being stripped down completely naked and then now they were adults by this time, so they were over 18. So it's not like they were minorities or anything like that. Everything they're older, but Minors.
Speaker 3:They weren't minors anymore, they were adults, okay so Is this the thing with the bus with the electrical cable around it that he had? No, that he used.
Speaker 1:This is. I actually saw a video and he would be like you know, putting stuff over them like a field.
Speaker 3:So he causes the problems, but yet he's got the cure. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1:Yes, but it involved touching and things like that. What a son of a bitch, yeah.
Speaker 2:So so we've got some let's probably call them young adult men at this point. Right, that's what you're saying. Yes, they're at least 18 at this point. Yes. And so he's, he's doing what he's, he's having them strip down.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And then Lay on the floor.
Speaker 1:Lay on the floor.
Speaker 2:Lay on the floor, okay.
Speaker 1:And then he detoxifies it and makes it so that they can survive with their repressed memories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but how is he doing that? Is he doing it kind of like Reiki?
Speaker 1:Sort of like that. But then it gets into touching Okay and massaging Okay, yeah, you know kind of icky stuff. But then it gets into touching, okay and massaging Okay, yeah, you know kind of icky stuff.
Speaker 2:Well, it is gross, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately, they're being violated yet yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no matter what age, no matter what age.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and whether you know when they read the book and then their repressed memories come out, or the book gives them repressed memories that they never actually had.
Speaker 3:Their repressed memories can be really kind of tricky too, because they can be, which is why you got to really be careful with hypnosis trying to pull those things out, Cause you might inadvertently create a repressed memory that was never there to start with, Do you think he hypnotized them?
Speaker 2:You would think, I mean, if he was doing all this stuff. Hypnotism is probably part of it.
Speaker 3:Well, with his background, it wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1:But his background was wasn't he working with people, with?
Speaker 3:Well, he claims to have the degrees of psychology, parapsychology and electrical engineering. Right, peter Vickman from the Ghostbusters had two of those three degrees, yeah.
Speaker 1:The electrical engineering was the.
Speaker 3:That's how he got interested with the radar base and people saying that they're having chronic issues with the base, you know, and if I can go on a little bit longer with or into about him being living two people or two lives where he would. He was in, he was working one day and he noticed he had a bandaid on his, on his hand, and he didn't remember, you know, cutting him. So he removed it and there was a laceration. So I went to the nurse and said how did I do this? Did you treat this? And she said, yeah, you know, Mr, So-and-so it was a totally different name and he was working and went down into, was following someone at the base and went into a secure area where he'd never been to before, to a secure area where he'd never been to before, and the security officer, you know, recognized him and said are you going to sign in, sir? And he signed in and walked into this, down this corridor and walked into an office with his name on it. You know, and you know it was really odd.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, was he driving the same car in both realities? I have no idea, Because you could check the mileage. There you go, I don't know. Just you know, just throwing that out there. Yeah so I mean it's.
Speaker 3:What if there was a third car?
Speaker 1:Well, if you had it illegally parked, I imagine you'd get some tickets. Who owes the tickets?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's no parking tickets on the military base. I mean, come on, Curtis.
Speaker 1:Well, one of the things they said when they actually get into some of the facilities that the base was theoretically closed in 1981. They said they found receipts for large food purchases into the 80s.
Speaker 2:You mean past 81? Is that what you mean?
Speaker 1:Past the time that the base had closed. But you know, I kind of think to myself okay, you have a secret base, it's supposed to be closed. Would you really be buying all your food from GFS and having it delivered and having receipts floating around if no one's supposed to?
Speaker 2:I mean, if you buy it, you're going to have a receipt. This is the 80s. You always get a receipt.
Speaker 1:How many places take Nazi gold as currency? Well, see receipt. How many places take nazi gold as currency? Well, see, see. And it's the us government too. Now the us government is, uh, notorious for shady shit, right? So the mk ultra cia project, okay, which was a real project? It was real 10 years. They played with psychedelic drugs, lsd.
Speaker 3:They did.
Speaker 2:Everything, everything, remote viewing.
Speaker 1:Yes, they, that's a real thing, yeah, so I mean, so is this. Is this really a big leap?
Speaker 2:Right? Is this so far-fetched, Drew?
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm not saying that's not, I mean anything's possible, yeah I mean, you know, when you get to things like manifesting a beast, you know, if I could manifest anything, it would be like a Diet Coke, you know. Something like that, you know. Or beer, you know.
Speaker 2:If you could manifest anything a Diet Coke, a beer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Well, I already got the Nazi gold, so I mean, I don't need any more gold. So you know, if you're thirsty, you're thirsty and you just have to get.
Speaker 3:Well, we know, you don't know how, regardless how much Nazi gold you have, if you're thirsty, you're thirsty. Why?
Speaker 1:don't you, diet Coke? I manifest a manifested toilet made of gold. Well, we know that you don't know how to convert it to use it. That's true.
Speaker 3:Damn it, there's always a catch there is, well there's. There's a whole, you know, melting it down and and and putting it in the bars. No one knows that's not single anymore, because the you know they're not.
Speaker 2:You know the swastika stamp is gone so you know what to do with it well, I watch goldfinger, who doesn't know what to do with it, you know well you know.
Speaker 1:Odd fact is that, uh, we do have actually a couple billion dollars worth of nazi gold sitting in a vault in new york city, but that's not the national reserve.
Speaker 3:Every federal reserve isn't. There's something separate.
Speaker 1:It was gold that had been melted down from the fillings, from the concentration camps.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's not go there.
Speaker 3:I know, but I'm just saying that's as disturbing as the young men being touched in Montauk too.
Speaker 1:I mean nobody knows what to do with that gold. I mean, it's tainted.
Speaker 3:Right, it just stays there. It just sits there. Yeah, exactly when it should be, yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, I want to get back to the monsters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I mean, but the thing is the Montauk chair, apparently they could transmit across realities. Okay, like I said, they claim that, in the book at least, that aliens from Sirius were the ones that helping out with the technology.
Speaker 2:I knew the aliens had to be connected somehow with this.
Speaker 1:Let's see, and it ripped a hole back to the Philadelphia Project.
Speaker 2:What does that mean?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so when they did, that's how the brothers got to the Montauk project, but in a way I I don't know how it really deals with it, because the brothers had aged.
Speaker 2:Well, time travel will age. You, I mean, I mean if you're going to jump universes and warm, warm holes. You, I mean if you're going to jump universes and wormholes right.
Speaker 1:I mean I think that's going to be rough on the DNA, so somehow they opened up a wormhole back to 1943 where the USS Eldridge did this thing. Okay, but, yeah, so, but you know it's only purported by Nichols and who wrote it in his books with his co-writer and the guy that originally Carl Allen, who originally reported about the Philadelphia?
Speaker 2:Project. So I don't think I would believe 100% of these stories. But don't you guys feel like there is a string in there of something that happened, even the Philadelphia experiment?
Speaker 1:Well, I think that in any lore or tale tale there's always a factoid of truth right so, even if it's not to the extent that maybe we're talking about or they're talking about, you know, I'm sure they did stuff that was weird, yeah and um, you know, I wouldn't put it past them. I mean, wouldn't you, if you're fighting world war, you're fighting World War II and hundreds of thousands of men were dying try to be finding a way to do something to mitigate your losses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, think outside of the box.
Speaker 1:You know the Nazis were doing that with jet airplanes.
Speaker 3:To save.
Speaker 1:American lives Right, and that's what happened with Nagasaki and Hiroshima. You know, if we were to invade the Japanese, islands.
Speaker 3:Oh, it would have cost 100,000 United States Marines.
Speaker 1:Well, they thought that we'd probably lose a million men. Yeah, by the time we did it. So you weigh a million men against you know, uh, two nuclear bombs, and you know, the other option was we had all these uh bombers, um the idea also floated around that, uh, they would uh just uh use, um what do you call it? Incendiaries?
Speaker 3:yeah, and just and just burn the whole thing. Yeah, burn basically, and would have, because the construction of the homes in Japan at the time were Paper. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Paper walls, yeah. So the biggest concern one general had was how much napalm could be made to facilitate that. The 15,000 bombers running two raids a day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you mean, if they can it, enough napalm, yeah, for the bombing runs Right.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so if they could, you know if they'd run out of napalm.
Speaker 2:So with the Philadelphia experiment, so I could see that somebody would try to find a way experiment. Can they take this ship from here and somehow get it to another part of the globe?
Speaker 3:or the whole idea originally was, according to the subject matter was to make it hopefully invisible. I don't think they were even trying around with the idea oh, so it wasn't trying to.
Speaker 2:actually there was no teleportation attempt.
Speaker 3:I think that that was in the subject matter. It was a matter of. It was a byproduct of trying to make it invisible.
Speaker 2:I see, I see, okay, it was a benefit. So, yeah, okay, I think it's fascinating.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Let's see here. Hold on a second Well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just read your notes.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's a scrawl, and I really should have typed them up because I'm like, okay, why did I spell it that way? Why did I spell it that way? But the guy that Alan said that the whole purpose was for teleportation. Okay, the whole point of the experiment, he said, was for teleportation.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, so I was right.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, I was right, but again, that's just him.
Speaker 2:Just that one guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, carlos Allen. He said that he actually studied under Einstein, of course, which I don't think he did the guy with two names, you know. Yeah, well, he spoke Spanish with a Spanish accent. So I'm kind of like, okay, yeah, you're from Philadelphia or from the United States and you're speaking a Spanish accent. It's probably because he has repressed memories of being called Meredith for a middle name. So he's probably having psychological issues because of that. He probably got bullied when he was a kid. Hey, meredith, don't call me that I'm Carlos Mary.
Speaker 3:Carlos, the merchant seaman.
Speaker 2:Yeah so anyway, and here we are. We're bullying this man now.
Speaker 3:Yes, bet your ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean the Montauk chair. Basically, you know, the theory was that if they could get it to work they could see targets, or see targets through the eyes of other people, yeah, like remote viewing hyperspace. But they found that being manifested, they would lose control and it was hard to use. So, anyway, there was a guy by the name of Serdlo. He claimed he was one of the boys. He came out and said he was one of the boys.
Speaker 1:Oh no, oh yeah. Preston Nichols said deprogramming here it comes Touching inappropriately, but they're all over 18. So and he said it was necessary for them to heal. Yeah, there's that.
Speaker 2:I feel like I've heard this before.
Speaker 1:So yep Anyway.
Speaker 2:Those healing hands.
Speaker 1:Yes, there's some massage, massage therapy places in town that apparently have those.
Speaker 2:I'm not even going to touch that.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know, Excuse me the facility I work for in town. We hear about that occasionally.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, okay. So I think that this is just a great example of the boundaries of reality in human perception.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it's also an extra human perception. The mind is a powerful thing, it is. I'm not saying that you can't have repressed memories, but I think that when somebody, if you see a movie like the one, said that when he saw the movie that all these memories had come out, well, you know, maybe their minds are creating those, those memories, and it feels real to them, but it's, it's not. They just need to be back on their medication, um, so to speak. But I don't know. You know, I'm not saying that people don't have repressed memories, they do. I'm sure it is a real thing. Um, I just I'm not really digging the vibe on this, because usually the government has a hard time keeping things a secret. Usually somebody, if it's a lot of people involved, at some point, somewhere, somebody's going to say something. Somebody says something, because the old saying loose lips sink ships, and they just can't keep it quiet.
Speaker 2:I believe, it.
Speaker 1:I believe something happened. Bless your heart.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that something didn't happen, right, I'm not saying it happened exactly like that, but I think that something was done. There was some type of experiment and, yeah, maybe it morphed into the stories that are told today about it. That's why the movie was made. But I think something happened and I do think that there were a lot of very bizarre experiments that were happening, especially back then, that were playing around with yeah, mind bending reality stuff.
Speaker 1:So everything has a grain of truth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's all.
Speaker 2:That's all I wanted you to say that I'm right, Speaking of the truth what really happened.
Speaker 1:Well, in the book that Nichols or Jessessup wrote was it jessup? Yeah, it was just yeah jessup wrote. He said that to the best of their knowledge. I'm paraphrasing this to the best from now, best of their knowledge. Everything in this book is truth, truthful, but you can also take it as fiction, science fiction as well.
Speaker 2:That's what it was. That's how it was phrased Essentially.
Speaker 3:That was the angle that he wrote it in, then. Yeah, you can read it and believe it this way, or you can interpret it this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, so Okay, and he wrote five books and sometimes you just got to follow the money.
Speaker 2:Five books on this topic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or five Variations of the topic Variations Okay. I can't remember the name of all the books. Hold on a second. Yeah, drew will find it. That's what I do.
Speaker 2:Drew's going to Google it. No.
Speaker 3:Okay, the case for the UFO 1955 via Citadel Press, 1956, ufo and the Bible.
Speaker 1:And the Bible. Well, that's not Jessup, that's. Jessup. I'm talking about Nichols. Nichols wrote five books. Yes, he did. He wrote what were they? Come on, google man.
Speaker 3:Duck, duck go.
Speaker 2:Oh, sorry, yeah, I know. I should have known better, you're not using Google.
Speaker 3:The duck is your friend.
Speaker 2:What the duck?
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Is the duck slow?
Speaker 3:No, I'm on wiki right now. It's spectrum.
Speaker 1:No, it's fine, Probably getting the wheel of death right now. I've got a gigabyte service too.
Speaker 2:You really Are you a gagillionaire?
Speaker 1:I was going to get AT&T, but they're going to have to. They put fiber optic in their subdivision, believe it or not, Did they? But it's down at the end of my mailbox, which is like 600 feet away. Yeah, I'm like really Dang it.
Speaker 2:Bastards Shoo.
Speaker 1:And then the spectrum charges me $175 a month, getting totally sidetracked.
Speaker 2:I was going to say, yeah, now we've transitioned to that, I'm going to complain about my bills.
Speaker 1:No, we're just billing now because of slowpoke over there.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right. Okay, here we go. All right, this is off of Amazon. Okay, the Montauk Project Experiments in Time. That's book one of five. It was a Montauk series and then this has been re-released now and that was the original book in 1992 that you mentioned the Montauk Project Experiments in Time and that was a silver anniversary edition that came out May of 2021. Pyramids of Montauk, explorations and Consciousness. That's where the remote viewing comes in. Yes, they tried to remote view into a pyramid on Mars. Yeah, that was written in 95, and that's the only two that I see. Okay, montauk Revisited, and Encounter in the Pallades, I believe, is another one. So you got, those are the five books Pallades, pallades, yeah, pallades.
Speaker 2:Is that the Alien Race?
Speaker 3:I think so, but there's a koala bear on the cover.
Speaker 1:I don't know I thought it was an exercise regiment. Okay, that's Pallades. Oh sorry my bad. Okay, that's Pilates. Oh sorry my bad. Okay, I mean, I'd pick the book up, you know, if just you know my, my version. If it was about Pilates, you'd buy it Only if it had photographs of hot women doing Pilates.
Speaker 2:Oh geez.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, I know Right, I'm a sorry sack.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, but then Drew would make me share it with him. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Alright, can we talk about the bad stuff? Not the bad stuff, but the true stuff now.
Speaker 2:I thought we did.
Speaker 3:About the Eldridge yeah go ahead. It was never in Philadelphia during the time in question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was built in 1943.
Speaker 3:Right, I mean from a historical shipbuilding perspective. They laid the keel in February, and towards August is when it was, when it was going through sea trials or whatever they did back then.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then it spent its time in mediterranean yeah and I think that, uh, at the end of the war it was sold to greece, I believe so yeah, and then, and they renamed it the leon, I believe and then it stayed in service until like 1998 or 99 and then it was scrapped. Yeah, the um, if, if, if. It was like really would you really scrap a vessel that transported itself?
Speaker 3:somewhere. No, I don't know, no, and there might be some bad juju with the metal, who knows? Yeah, so anyway, anyway, uh, I mean, how'd you get the?
Speaker 2:guys out well yeah, that's what I was curious, what'd they do?
Speaker 3:with that? Were they screaming? And if the which you said Greece bought it, I believe so Okay, whatever nation bought, it would be, I wonder, if they had it, like you know, blessed by a priest and a rabbi and a witch doctor, you know, in case there were like screaming voices of Americans still held in steel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, the thing is that the whole thing about holding somebody in steel like they become part of the ship. Yeah, you know, the plating is only half inch thick for deck plates and quarter inch thick deck plates.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, so you know it would have made quick work of that to get the man out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean, it's not like you're like being transported into a solid block of steel right um naval. Naval records which were on microfiche uh show that the that the elder was not in philadelphia during, I think, august through um october of of 1943, and also the brothers never served. On the Eldridge's as well. There's no record of that?
Speaker 2:Well, that's because they went back in time, Guys. You're forgetting that they went back into time and they fixed all of that. Oh, okay. I'm just pointing out the obvious.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, I wouldn't have fixed it for all the back pay. I mean, come on, you know, go 200 years forward, 200 years of back pay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that would definitely ring the bell.
Speaker 2:Anyway, go ahead Drew.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so yeah, there was no record and they, you know, according to my reality, this reality on this timeline, yeah, on this timeline, and this is gonna be like an mcu thing when we're finished, you know, but anyway, um, and that there is no.
Speaker 2:Drew's final thought on this yeah exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean you know the brothers never, you know, there was no record of them on the ship and the ship was never in Philadelphia during the time in question.
Speaker 1:There's even a question if that ship, the merchant marine ship, was in the harbor at the same time.
Speaker 3:That's something good that we should maybe look into. Yeah, I don't know if it was there either. He said he served on. Yeah, you know, and why even bring it up 12 years later?
Speaker 1:Right, so it's just a good story, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he had the courage to then I mean, let's say that it really happened. I mean, you're really just going to immediately go out and be like I'm going to write a book about this.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You got to put some space between this. No pun intended.
Speaker 1:Well, but he maybe was the only guy on deck that saw the ship disappear. I mean, Philadelphia Harbor is kind of a big place, isn't it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, but the show up in Nor Norfolk though the Atlantic fleet, you know hi we're here and then we're not.
Speaker 2:Green fog, yes, well they would have done it, like you know, in the, at night, when everybody else was going to be asleep.
Speaker 3:I mean, you got to time this stuff well, actually they did the allegedly did the experiment twice see, there, you go, allegedly okay a couple times. Allegedly did the experiment twice.
Speaker 1:See, there you go, allegedly Okay.
Speaker 2:A couple times.
Speaker 1:Why would you do it in the middle of the harbor?
Speaker 3:Why wouldn't you go out where no one can see it? And apparently they were using onboard generators and it wasn't, like you know, plugged into the Philadelphia power grid.
Speaker 1:Right, that's when they activated the generators, right.
Speaker 3:The field so which I mean I can't imagine the amount of energy that would be required to even generate, you know, that type of field. I don't even know if the ship would be you know capable, let alone not plugging it into a power grid. I mean hell. Steve Rogers was made Captain America and they had to plug it into the New York power grid to do it.
Speaker 2:you know Right guys.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, maybe they had Captain Efficiency on board, Possibly. I don't think Einstein had time travel involved when he was. He's talking about field theory and all that good stuff, yeah, so there's a lot of things. It's kind of a cool story, so many things, but it's really you.
Speaker 2:It's kind of a cool story. So many things.
Speaker 1:But it's really. You're only getting it from a couple people. It's not like it's coming from a bunch of different people that see it.
Speaker 3:I think there's a lot to look into for Montauk, though I really do.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:There's just all kinds of evil shit excuse my language that that happened at that place under the guise of this.
Speaker 1:You know, sit in the chair, young man kind of thing yeah um, they did some radar technology you know where they do and they found structures in the under the ground. They couldn't see exactly what they were, you know. That's the whole thing until you actually get down there. Right, yeah, and it's a public park now, but I guess the radar facility is still fenced off.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because the radar is still there.
Speaker 2:Yes, we should take a field trip. That's what we should do, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to take a shovel, just start digging, get a little pick.
Speaker 3:And an axe, yeah, and the axe does not necessarily mark the spot, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Let's dig over here. It's like the one of the things that's kind of interesting to me, you know, with radar technology is that new pyramid where they scanned underneath the pyramids supposedly. That'd be interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree, but that's the same technology.
Speaker 1:Well, not that's a new technology, but ground penetrating radar is what they've used to see. I'd be very, very, very, very surprised if an Air Force base or any kind of base facility like that did not have underground structures. So I would think that you would almost always have some sort of underground structure Agreed. So even if you go to Hawaii, like Diamond Head, you can walk through. The Diamond Head is riddled with tunnels and things like that because they had 16 inch guns in the mountain. Yeah, so if an invasion was coming, they could fire the 16 inch guns that were in the hillside. They didn't do it too often because when they fired it it broke all the glassware in China and Waikiki and all the restaurants and things like that.
Speaker 3:It would just rattle everything. There's a bunch of ships coming where you're about to break your china. Hold on to it.
Speaker 1:Hold on to your brace yourself, effie, it's coming so yeah.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 3:Sounds good. Welcome you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what's our next episode going to be about?
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's a mystery oh, a mystery that needs to be solved or discussed further, such as missing 411.
Speaker 1:I've got that too. I've got notes on that too. I think that's a bunch of BS, but that's just me you've been listening to Lore Lodge and no. I've just been doing some research on it, you know didn't we talk about four, one one before yeah, we did originally so.
Speaker 3:so some like new, new well it's, it's like anything else and I think we'll save it for the next episode. But you know. No, no, I'm not going to say anything to spoil it okay, alright, so Curtis, what should our audience do like?
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