Joey Sasso Tells All: Breakups, Overcoming Addiction, & Fighting Back

Welcome back to The Dry Diaries! This week, I’m joined by Joey Sasso — winner of The Circle, star of Perfect Match, and now the producer of his first film, Young Lion of the West.

But this conversation goes far beyond reality TV. Joey opens up about the real journey behind the camera — navigating public pressure, breaking off an engagement, battling addiction and depression, and slowly finding his way back to himself.

We talk about what it means to start over, to hold onto your vision even when everything feels heavy, and how the darkest seasons can lead to the most powerful breakthroughs.And of course, it wouldn’t be The Dry Diaries without diving into a few conspiracy theories — especially the ones tied to the entertainment industry.

This one’s raw, revealing, and real.

(Content Warning: This episode discusses sensitive topics, including suicide and mental health struggles. Please take care of yourself while listening. If you or someone you know is in crisis, please reach out to a mental health professional or contact a helpline. You're not alone. 💙 National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK (8255)

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Chapters

• 0:00 Joey's Year of Extremes
• 12:10 Breaking Point and Sobriety
• 29:45 Reality TV and Career Pivot
• 42:36 Vulnerability in Relationships
• 55:23 Spiritual Growth and Hollywood Darkness
• 1:10:03 Finding Peace and Purpose

Transcript

Joey Sasso: 0:00

It's that feeling you feel when you're too vulnerable with the wrong person and you're just like, okay, I can go through this. I could sit with you on the couch, right, if we're not filming a podcast, right, and I would tell you all of it as in depth and I wouldn't feel bad about it. But now you have someone who's your best friend, was your best friend, you're everything, and it's immediately like an enemy and you just are wrestling with that and you're just like how is my life at?

Alex Dry: 0:37

this point at this place. Hey guys, what's up? It's your author, alex dry, and I am back with another episode of the dry diaries. Today I have one of my really good friends, one of the most genuine humans. I mean there's so many things I could say, but but Joey Sasso, I mean, first and foremost, he has been just such a good friend to me, but then also he was on a bunch of reality shows like the Circle and Perfect Match.

Joey Sasso: 1:15

When I hear these intros, I'm always like it's like when you get an award and someone's like I love you, what we have been through, and I'm like, oh, thank you, You're like wow, you don't tell me this on a normal basis?

Joey Sasso: 1:28

No, but it's funny though, because for everyone watching, we've been talking before we start recording, and whenever you do these situations, I always think it's funny to switch. We have to make we work close like this, but it is funny. Weren't close like this, but it is. It is funny. On the way over I was, you know, thinking about how long I've known you and I love you to death, but you've known me since right, I think it was. We met right at the tail beginning of when my first show came out, I believe yeah, it was about five, six years ago.

Alex Dry: 2:03

At this point, yeah, and it has been that long Do you remember how we first met?

Joey Sasso: 2:07

This is a funny story. No, you don't remember this.

Alex Dry: 2:09

I don't.

Joey Sasso: 2:09

Do you remember that I was in love with you for 24 hours?

Alex Dry: 2:12

No.

Joey Sasso: 2:13

Oh, alex, right, we met and I was like it was that immediate thing. I was like who are you? Who are you? You don't remember this at at all? No, that's how. So I believe we met through andre, okay, because andre was doing instagram photos for me. He had met my manager, he was my like content guy and it was that thing of like, hey, dude, we should hang out and we did, and we went to old friends of yours' apartment that you were at.

Alex Dry: 2:45

Okay, yes.

Joey Sasso: 2:46

It's where I met you and I was like, who are you? And then we started talking and it was that I remember, because I never pursue anyone. That's like out of character for me.

Alex Dry: 2:55

I don't like that.

Joey Sasso: 2:56

Yeah, I guess I don't remember it because you weren't very, you know, pushy, more so like I want to know you, yeah, like I really want to know you, but I want you to know I am interested in you. Well, you don't make it that clear. And then I think from there it became that thing of like we knew all the same people and we just got very close and I could say you are one of the dopest fucking humans I have ever met from being in LA. Fucking humans I have ever met from being in LA and I love the fact that you know, when we were texting, catching up, we were talking about it had been two years maybe since we've talked, since we've seen each other.

Alex Dry: 3:32

Yeah.

Joey Sasso: 3:34

It don't matter how much time passes, nothing changed. You pick up right where you left off and you're doing great Got out of LA, which is good. I did that. Now I'm back, but, yeah, I'm happy to be doing this and I'm excited to see what you throw at me today I know it's going crazy. We're gonna get deep, I'm gonna get deep. We're gonna have like a dr phil moment. I'll start. I'll ball my fucking eyes out right here. No, I just like with my.

Alex Dry: 4:02

it's basically just my friends and I having conversations, so it's just as if we were catching up normally.

Joey Sasso: 4:08

Love that.

Alex Dry: 4:09

So really nothing is off limits and nothing's really filtered, unless you put the hard stop on it.

Joey Sasso: 4:16

I don't think I'll do that, so let's go.

Alex Dry: 4:18

So to start off, like, how are you doing? Because I know we briefly talked about it.

Joey Sasso: 4:24

Yeah, and I'm actually like no bullshit, I'm doing really well right now. Last year, 2024, was simultaneously the best year of my life and career and equally the worst year of my life and career, where it was to the point I go to my closest friends who know everything about me and I hate people who have victim mentality with everything. But I had to be like dude. I'm not trying to be that guy, but I know you'll be real with me and lay out everything that's happening. Is it as bad as I think? It is, like how it feels and they're like it's worse.

Alex Dry: 5:13

Like you get to that point as far as relationship, or just you mentally.

Joey Sasso: 5:17

Everything, everything, life overall. It's that thing of like, okay, I like to look for a silver lining with everything, because I'm very aware of how I'm programmed. If I don't do that, I will let the darkness in me take over and, once that left, like you don't get out of that. So I'd be like, okay, this is all sucked. At this point nothing else can go wrong. Like surely nothing else. Like I've been hit more than I've ever been hit, and then somehow, some way, everything still falls apart. And then you just hit that point where you're like, fuck, I don't even know how to handle this. I'm not equipped for it. And in retrospect, I'm so fucking happy to be able to sit here and talk to you about this right now, because last year was, above all those things I was talking about, the only time since I've gotten sober, which you know you've known me since that that started yeah where I truly was like oh my god, I don't know if I'm gonna be okay anymore.

Joey Sasso: 6:30

And I've never felt that like when I got sober. I'm an all-out drug addict.

Alex Dry: 6:36

Alcoholic it's all or nothing, not just with drugs and alcohol it's your life that's why we get along, because we're either all in or all out, and I think that's why we didn't talk for like the two-year time period because, I knew that like one you were in a relationship, yeah, and then I know that I don't know. I just I feel the energy, the vibes and you just kind of were like tucked away yeah and so at certain points, like I did, want to reach out, but also I love to respect people's relationships and I don't want to overstep. Sometimes I get that.

Joey Sasso: 7:07

I mean I tell all my friends that where sometimes friends get upset when someone gets in a relationship and they're like, oh, they dipped out and they're different now, where my thing is like, no, I mean, if you feel like that, that means that relationship you had with them was never what you thought it was. Yeah, because, look it, it's normal for someone to get with someone and like really be with someone and be wrapped up in that world and and trying to figure that out. And I think I've heard from people, friends and family, who have said similar to what you have said. Because it's that thing that's funny when you're with someone and you ask your people, what do you think about your person? And oh, the best, and then it ends and it's like, oh, and you hear all this shit, but it was. It was super interesting because my family had told me I wasn't myself when I was with the person I was with and I was glued to their hips, very standoffish, and I know what that is like in theory with someone, but I could say from being in it it wasn't a situation where I was like, oh, I need to make them happy, they're super insecure. It was that thing of no, I'm the happiest I've ever been. That's my best fucking friend. I've never had this. I didn't know I could get to a place with someone that I got to with my ex and that's why that's the silver lining thing of what I take from that experience Far outweighs any of the negative. But yeah, last year it just became a thing of like.

Joey Sasso: 8:44

Okay, when I first got sober I was right before when I say 24 to 48 hours like that close from committing suicide. I was done with life. I was at the lowest I had ever been. I had hurt someone who meant the world to me in ways I never had. I was a drug addict, alcoholic. For years I lied about everything. Some drug addicts, alcoholics you see them and you're like, oh, they're fucked.

Joey Sasso: 9:11

I was the guy who no one knew because I was so good at keeping it all secret. I wasn't out being like yo, alex Dry, you want a line. I'm the guy who's like I'll look at you doing a line and be like you're a fucking loser, get that shit out of my face, fucking junk. I got an eight ball in my pocket and no one would ever know.

Joey Sasso: 9:32

So when I had first gotten sober I really seen that sliver of light in that tunnel and I was like like I need to grab that and really commit myself to this, because if I don't, I can never right the wrongs of my life and I'm gonna die in, regardless of where I was at mentally at that time. The thing that's always pulled me back in those moments is me back in those moments is knowing my mother and father, my sisters, nieces and nephews now cousins. I would irreversibly fuck them so hard and they would never I got the best family in the entire world. So it was a process at first and and then I really just felt good Like for the first time in so long, because it was like, oh my God, I don't have to hide all these things about myself, I don't have to be embarrassed or ashamed.

Joey Sasso: 10:34

And then, when everything happened last year, I can only describe it as that event. We all have in life that whenever you think about it, you get that pit in your stomach, you're transported back. All have in life that whenever you think about it, you get that pit in your stomach, you're transported back. And I was like for the first time and at that point, almost four years, I'm scared Because of knowing myself and knowing what you're capable of Well, yeah, I mean when people talk to me about being sober or just trying to better your life.

Joey Sasso: 11:01

the thing I don't like is when people try to categorize it as well. That was then like that's not you and it's like no, I'm going to be honest, I got the scumbag devil that's in me at all. That guy's never going away, but I keep it at bay from saying that and acknowledging it. But when you're really going through it, that's where shit can start playing with you. When you're really going through it, that's where shit can start playing with you. And when I'd gotten home this year for the holidays, my family, my sisters, cousins, all sat me down over separate periods individually because they thought I was using again, because they were like, be real, like yeah your family's really blunt, because all Italians right.

Joey Sasso: 11:44

Yes, and it all came down to the fact that no one had heard from me Really in like that whole year that I was here in LA because I had the movie come out which you know, 12 years of my life.

Alex Dry: 11:59

Yeah.

Joey Sasso: 12:00

Since day one of getting to LA, always known I wanted to be a filmmaker since I've been a child. It's my, it's who I am Like to my core. No one's going to give me that, and it's been a 12 year process. At that point I've had to defy every odd to do something that I should have never been able to pull off. And now, getting ready for release, of course, everything falls apart All the contracts, all the deals, and I have to carry the load while simultaneously in my personal life completely falling apart and I like to always be a person very punctual I get back to my people still to this day. Right now, if you open my phone, I think I'm at 850 on red text because it's like I can't, it's overload, I can't keep up.

Joey Sasso: 12:45

So when I was going through it, you get to that point of like okay, I can't use, I can't do that, but I'm knowingly falling into hermit self-isolation mode for protection yeah and I had to look at all my family and be like I swear to you, I will piss in a cup right now If I was using I'm not lying about it at this point in my life. I am mentally fucked right now from everything that's happened. I'm aware of that and I'm trying to get back to where I was. But as of recent, it's really interesting when you go through a period like that Because for me, going home, being with my family, is such a reset and you come back here and you feel like you now have distance to look at things differently.

Joey Sasso: 13:38

I've never gone through a period of time like that where, yeah, it was hard, but I'm still trying to see the lasting effects that have kind of changed me yeah in a way that I need to figure out, and that's sort of where I'm at right now what do you think were all the aspects of it?

Alex Dry: 13:56

obviously there's a relationship, so for everyone that doesn't know, yeah you were engaged, yes, and then you guys broke it off.

Joey Sasso: 14:03

Yes.

Alex Dry: 14:04

And then you had a movie. You've been working on that for forever. Ever, since I met you, I knew that you wanted to be a producer.

Joey Sasso: 14:10

Yeah, 12 years.

Alex Dry: 14:11

Yeah, forever. So the movie was coming out. And then what other aspects do you feel like? I mean the movie?

Joey Sasso: 14:17

alone.

Alex Dry: 14:18

This is another thing that I just feel like in general for myself and the close ones around me is like whenever you've been working on something so hard and it's really your purpose, the devil's always going to try to come in and cause chaos around you because he doesn't want you to get to that level. He's trying to stop you from your blessing, because he knows the effect that it's going to have on people.

Joey Sasso: 14:42

Yeah, for sure.

Alex Dry: 14:43

And I'm such a believer in that because I've seen it happen time and time again.

Joey Sasso: 14:46

Yeah, and that's why I was just on the way over talking to a buddy of mine about you know craft, no matter what your craft is, and I was saying I always look at it as I don't game plan for it's all going to work. Like I know it's all going to work, know it's all gonna work, but it's like no, no, I game plan with every single thing is gonna go wrong. Because that's also production. That's being on set and having to make your day. And you know, like you said, 12 years of my life, the stages I've went through to get that made.

Joey Sasso: 15:19

I mean years of people reading various drafts saying you're fucked from page one. You can't do this, it's going to ruin your career. You can't say that. And I'm like, looking at established executives who I respect, but I know I'm smarter than them film wise, like that is the only avenue in my life that I know very few can match me, because I've been studying this entire industry since I've been a child. It's all I have. I don't have. Like I was home talking to my family and I realized I'm like I don't have hobbies.

Joey Sasso: 15:52

Like I don't have things that are like separate from the arts, from the industry. So you know, so many years of saying I'm going to bet on myself, I'm going to pull off. The impossible film was budgeted three to 10 million should have never have been able to make it. Josh and I my partner, who I wrote it with, who directed it, made it for $13,000 cash.

Alex Dry: 16:14

Oh my gosh.

Joey Sasso: 16:15

That's the only reason I went on the circle was I got back to LA from production at that point. My longest relationship at that point had ended, and it's that cliche if I walk home, walk in the apartment, she's gone, everything's gone.

Joey Sasso: 16:29

and that's when I was actively using and no one really I mean she knew um, yeah, she, I think she knew when we were still together, but I don't think to the extent, and I was a liar. I was just a fucking lot like how dare you say I would do that or this or that because I would never want to? Yep, oh, 100% like I was. I look back at me being younger and I don't excuse anything. I just look at it as it's really unfortunate that for someone who has always been very mature, which I have been I was so ill-equipped when it came to a relationship.

Joey Sasso: 17:10

But you know, my ex and I we moved out here at 18 years old and we were like babies we're doing it like as we had to grow up real quick.

Joey Sasso: 17:19

I'm simultaneously trying to be a husband while getting my career off the ground when I don't know a single person in the industry. You have to have a survival job, like it was. It was a lot, it's a lot, and that's why my last relationship with my ex-fiance was the only time in my life still that I'm like I did that right, like Like I absolutely made mistakes, so many mistakes, but from the start I was a hundred percent open about where I'm at, what I want, what I don't want, didn't rush anything, and she's the only person I've ever been with that allowed me to see that you can absolutely share a thousand percent of yourself yeah, you have to nothing held.

Joey Sasso: 18:09

But I've never had that before, ever. It's that thing of like no, no, no, we're the most gift of gab people. So when you're like that and others aren't, they think they know everything about you but, we know they don't know shit.

Joey Sasso: 18:22

Yeah, because we keep more inside. Yeah, so I really learned so much about myself and was so happy. But at the same point I look back and see the things I'm always picking myself apart what could I have done better? And when you're at that point now of like, let's go back to, I, come back to la max, that point's gone. I work at the oldest gay bar in la. My boy, r Raph, comes in one night and he's like I'm casting this thing. I want you to come in, you're perfect. And I'm at this point severely depressed drug addict probably hungover.

Alex Dry: 18:56

This is how you got casted for the circle yeah.

Joey Sasso: 18:58

And I remember it was salsa night and I'm cutting limes before everyone comes. I remember it vividly and I just looked up at him. I'm like I don't do reality and he's like you have, you're perfect and you don't ever want to burn a bridge. So you're like, yeah, I'll go to the fucking audition. How many auditions do I go on? Nothing's gonna happen with this. Years of studying how to walk into a room and be an actor with material. Don't be professional. Don't say hi to alex stride, don't have a personality to just sit in the chair and be like joey, talk about, about this, like that's it. Yeah, like everything with that process was the easiest I've ever dealt with and it was that thing of like I don't want this, but now they want me. Why is it that thing that the thing you don't want.

Joey Sasso: 19:41

Yeah, yeah. And look, I was an idiot, changed my life, made me really open my horizons to getting out of my own way. So that's sort of set off with. The last five or six years have been, and I'm so blessed for that. But taking it back to where everything was last year, all that's going on I'm literally bankrupt, like I. I don't have enough money to get a fucking cheeseburger. I've put everything into my career, into my film. The company we signed with for distribution that, of course, can look at the emails of why you signed with them, because of everything they even put in the contract that they are going to do.

Joey Sasso: 20:25

I could sue them, but I don't have the money to do that Of course, yeah, and with everything happening, it's that feeling you feel when you're too vulnerable with the wrong person and you're just like, okay, I can go through this. I could sit with you on the couch, right, if we're not filming a podcast, right, and I would tell you all of it as in depth and I wouldn't feel bad about it. But now you have someone who's your best friend, was your best friend, you're everything, and it's immediately like an enemy and you just are wrestling with that and you're just like how is my life at this point, at this place and it really does because I suffer from ptsd, from even before that right years of therapy, of trying to learn about that, how to overcome that? And now you have a different form of PTSD being triggered in you from something that hurts you so deeply.

Joey Sasso: 21:23

And I didn't know that at the time. I just felt so fuck, I, dude, I was so numb, like I was so numb to where you're like I don't even realize that I'm here with you right now until someone snaps me out of it, but I always do have to try to find good in it. And it's like, yeah, dude, it was that bad, but I'm still fucking here and I know what I went through and I know I'll be okay. It's just like damn that thing if you never think shit's gonna go the way that it goes sometimes.

Alex Dry: 21:56

Yeah, you know and it's so crazy because I mean people see you on social media or see you on the show and obviously they see this person. That's very charismatic yeah going you, you know all those things, and then it just goes to show that what you see is not like everyone's dealing with some shit.

Joey Sasso: 22:15

Yeah, you know, look, it's very weird with the world we live in, especially when it comes to social, because while I said the circle is the best thing that's ever happened to me which it was, if I could say any negative it's that after that, people from my perspective put me in such a box of being such a great guy, such the, and it's like I love that because it makes me feel you could definitely have the other opposite end of most guys being like fuck boys and all that stuff.

Joey Sasso: 22:46

But when I know myself, I know my, my life, I know the most. It's that thing of someone who structures their pr of their brand to be so likable, so perfect, to where we all look at him we're like is he a fucking secret serial killer or some shit?

Alex Dry: 23:01

like like imposter syndrome, yeah it's just like okay.

Joey Sasso: 23:04

At a certain point you're setting yourself up for failure because everyone's looking to see the cracks. My thing is I don't hide, I'll fucking tell you all the crap Like no, no, no no.

Joey Sasso: 23:14

Don't say I'm all these because I go through so much shit. But I think that's normal and I think that because of people knowing me, as always happy smiling, which is all real, that's never a thing always happy smiling, which is all real, that's never a thing they only look at it as that one note where I'm like no dog, we're people. We have a lot more. And I remember my uh, my ex-girlfriend had said essentially, you say all this positive shit, okay, if you're gonna fucking be out, that, be fucking real about what you're going through. And I I was like, hey, I guess you're right and I did that, thinking it's structured as like, oh no, this is what I went through last year, but I'm good. But then everyone reached out like oh my God, are you okay? And I'm like I must not have like said it correctly, aren't you a Sagittarius?

Alex Dry: 24:04

I am yeah, me too.

Joey Sasso: 24:06

I'm now a believer in zodiac signs, by the way, Really I never was. I thought it was bullshit. What changed your? When I went through everything last year with my ex-fiance, with life? I always thought and there's a part of me still that thinks it I hate when I meet a girl, my biggest pet peeve.

Alex Dry: 24:23

What's your sign? What's your?

Joey Sasso: 24:24

sign. Of course you don't believe you're a fucking Sagittarius and I'm like, look, do you look up any signs? And it's like you're a piece of shit who has attachment issues. No, it's all good shit and I just think it's one of those universal things that people want to hear good things about themselves. Then last year, when I'm going through everything you're going through that rabbit hole five o'clock in the morning of searching for answers with yourself and I stumble into the astrology shit and I really start researching for the first time which I try not to get into new things because of my obsessive compulsive disorder of like I will obsess. That's me and conspiracy theories.

Joey Sasso: 25:02

What's your favorite conspiracy theory?

Alex Dry: 25:03

Oh my gosh, I have so many I have many as well.

Joey Sasso: 25:06

What's behind the ice wall in Antarctica, Alex?

Alex Dry: 25:08

I think it's a new dimension you think?

Joey Sasso: 25:11

did you hear the one about the guy flew the plane over the ice wall and saw the creatures that I forget what they're called. Yeah, I can go on about conspiracy theories all day, again youtube shorts three or four o'clock in the morning, all night. But yeah, the astrology shit is fucking real, like it's. Yeah, it's insane when I'm going through all of that and I'm researching all of my shit on different apps sites and it's.

Alex Dry: 25:33

It's so real, it's so smart. Sagittarius. Men don't have the best rap, though.

Joey Sasso: 25:38

Which is why, though? Because I've heard that, but I don't research my sign as much as I try to learn the others.

Alex Dry: 25:44

That's how well. No, I've researched more of my sign than others, Well, no. I've researched more of my signs than others. I think so, but I do know. Like Sagittarius, men are like known as cheaters.

Joey Sasso: 25:54

Okay.

Alex Dry: 25:55

But they are very driven and usually very successful in anything that they do, and that's really all I know.

Joey Sasso: 26:05

I could say when I was younger. To answer that directly, I was absolutely a cheater when I was in my long relationship and it's the only time in my life I've cheated on someone Again, lied about it, because my idol besides the people career-wise to look up to is my father, right. So when I moved here I was with my ex. I just wanted to be my dad and I wanted to have that relationship my parents had that's so cool to have.

Joey Sasso: 26:36

It's that relationship to look up to but at a certain point you realize, okay, I'm literally playing a part and all those things are who I am, but I'm not filtering them out as who I am right. So that's the place I go back to, of like, oh, I'll never get to that place again and I'm happy I haven't. Dude, I know there are people out there who know this feeling You're in a hole, you're so unhappy with someone, but you love them so much.

Alex Dry: 27:05

Oh yeah and relationship-wise, but you can't get out of the hole.

Joey Sasso: 27:11

And them so much, oh yeah, but you can't get out of the hole and everything in your life is bad. Um, I'm also one of the most sexual people like. I am wired that way, always have been, and at a certain point you're looking for outlets to try to feel anything good when everything isn't good, because I didn't want to hurt the person I was with and I didn't know how to get out of it. I look back at that. It makes me sick to my stomach the ways I acted. I'm not the guy who goes. I was on drugs. I mean I was, but it was like no, no, I knew you know what you're doing.

Alex Dry: 27:43

This is the relationship you moved out to LA with. Yes, that's the last one, right? Yes, yeah.

Joey Sasso: 27:49

Yes, and since then I can honestly say I've never cheated on anyone. But also you and I have talked about this when it comes to a relationship, I'm weird in the sense that I think people would look at me on the surface level of things they see me as and be like, oh, he's the fuck boy. No, it's the polar opposite. I level of things they see me as and be like, oh, he's the fuck boy. It's the polar opposite. I've only been in three actual relationships in my life. It takes me an insanely long time to get to the point of saying to someone I want to be with you. Because when I do that I'm not like the guy, like it's so fucking weird to me how people jump for oh, this is my girlfriend, it's my boy. Every time you see him they have a new boyfriend or girlfriend. I'm like, how do you fucking do that? Because when I commit, it's like no, no, to get to that point, you're my person yeah end game this is we're getting married this is it.

Joey Sasso: 28:39

I will go through hell and high water with you, for you, and that's why that title to me holds so much weight, and I feel like it doesn't for others in today's world like they don't take it that serious. But I also realized when I got sober that I'm sapiosexual, which I have to. What does that mean.

Joey Sasso: 29:00

Oh, here's the thing. I fucking hate that in today's world there are a million buzzwords for everything. Right, like, talk to anyone. Every ex is a narcissist, a sociopath, and I'm like, can we stop? The fucking people are people. They fuck up.

Alex Dry: 29:12

That's literally the podcast that we put out a few weeks ago. Gabby and I were like let's talk about our narcissists.

Joey Sasso: 29:19

Here's the thing I think if you want to apply buzzwords, we can absolutely apply them to all of ourselves and others can from experiences they've had with us, to all of ourselves and others can from experiences they've had with us. I think it takes the weight away from people who truly have those issues, those mental illnesses that, like you could think you've experienced that and then you really experience you're like, oh no, like that person that's a sick fuck right there. But I get sober and I'm finding my way. And there was a minute where I thought I had done permanent damage from all of my years of drinking and drugging, because me knowing how sexual I am, me knowing how freaky I am, all the ways I'm wired that I just know have always been different than others. I was like I can't fuck people anymore Like I did. Why is that?

Joey Sasso: 30:13

And what I realized is I was raised correctly. I know I have all the things in me that can be bad, but I know overall it's drenched and good, far more than bad. I had finally had clarity and actually what could feel for the first time? So much that it was like paralyzing and I realized I can't just go out and do that. And then, as I keep learning sapiosexuals, essentially you could be as beautiful as you are, right if I met you, but I don't. I could never just be like, if that happened, oh yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, we're going to fuck, we're going to hook up. It's because, no matter how physically attracted to you I am, what gets me sexually attracted to you, what stimulates me, is mental. Is that connection?

Joey Sasso: 30:59

That's what it means You're stimulated more so by that mental connection, more so in anything, more so in anything, and especially being learning that I'm like that and living here all these years makes it so much harder, because LA is the land of the beautiful people and that's I'm like I don't give a fuck how good looking you are. There's a million of you here. That does nothing. Who are you as a person? And it took me a while to realize okay, I didn't do permanent damage, I am just that way because, look, I'm that way too, and that's so interesting.

Alex Dry: 31:35

I never knew how that that was even a thing oh, it's sexual, because I've never been able I mean, you know me like I've, if you see me like I'm always been in a relationship, or if I'm not in a relationship, I'm not really one to just go out there and hook up with people yeah because one it's.

Joey Sasso: 31:54

I don't get anything out of it, but that's even if you are like, it's just like if you're a very sexual person, right which? I and now I've been in relationships where I have had physical intimacy levels I've never had before. That far surpasses anything else. To have that experience, that know what that is and go back and have random sex with someone where we've all been, you're not comfortable yeah it's not good you're, you're not, you're not feeling in the moment.

Alex Dry: 32:24

It's a performance that you're there you're in your head more than in the moment. Why the fuck would I?

Joey Sasso: 32:30

want that after having the other thing and I I just know at this point, after learning more about myself, I'm like I. I can't like I. I literally, if go down the road of what I was saying about having that attraction to someone physically but not being being stimulated, if we started making out, we start, I literally wouldn't get hard, like there's nothing about me that is turned on by you, because what makes me attracted to someone is when I share all of me, you share all of yourself with me and I know all of you, and it's really you're creating that space with someone that's just for you too. So I think that's also age, like I'm in my 30s now. Yeah, shit, fucking changes, like it. It really fucking changes.

Joey Sasso: 33:16

It's weird, like think back to who you were at 25 I would rather not.

Alex Dry: 33:20

I mean I'm. I'm grateful for that person yeah because it's who I am, it's made me who I am today. But looking back, I'm I'm just like there's so many things I wish.

Joey Sasso: 33:31

What do you think is the biggest difference, like when we're talking about like that difference of like just outlook with dating, with hooking up from.

Alex Dry: 33:37

From a relationship perspective, it's looking for something where it's not more again like the physical attraction or what other people think or what it's portrayed to be, and it's actually okay. Are we? Are we actually connected on a deeper spiritual level?

Joey Sasso: 33:59

let me ask you this all the relationships you've been in right after my relationship, my ex-fiance I've asked friends it's because of never experiencing it till then have you ever been with anyone, anyone you've been with, where you have truly, 100 percent, been completely honest, open, forthcoming about everything, sexually, yourself, the things that we all think, that no one verbalizes or says allows? People are programmed to wear that mask, to not stick out. Have you ever been with someone and truly been in love enough and felt safe enough to share everything to the point that you're so safe and comfortable and you don't question it that you're like how you're, how we're programmed not to do that You're more so now, like, oh no, not now. I got to think of more to give you because I've never had this. Have you ever had that before?

Alex Dry: 34:53

no really no, I. Whenever I was in those relationships, I would have told you yes. But now, looking back, definitely no. And it stems from I don't know if it's more so childhood, but obviously my parents they got divorced young great parents. But at the same time, I'm also very hard on myself like performance base wise. I used to, not so anymore. I always thought I had to put on a persona.

Alex Dry: 35:22

I had to be like this type of girl. I needed to say the right thing and, no matter what, like people always would be like oh, alex is bitchy, this, that and the other, and I kind of put a yeah, but I love that about you from the moment I met you because I remember you saying that to me.

Joey Sasso: 35:38

And here's the thing people are stupid.

Joey Sasso: 35:39

They don't know how to read a room you're a strong woman and the thing I love about that is you don't play the la bullshit, like people do, of smiling to someone's face, like if someone is not for you, you're not allowing them in your energy and space and you make it known. And I respect that, because, again, I'd rather have the person who's going to tell me, joey, you're being a fucking asshole. Then the person goes no, you're fine, it's them, it's not you, and then knife you in the back when you turn around.

Alex Dry: 36:09

So don't ever look at that as a negative with you, because more people should have that, yeah, and I think I've learned over time to not look at that as a negative. But also, some things don't need to always be said, like I don't always need to give my opinions about things when it's not really needed or I'm not asked.

Joey Sasso: 36:24

Do you mean in a general sense or if you're with someone?

Alex Dry: 36:27

In a general sense more, so I agree. But when it goes back to relationships, I would have told you yes. At the time I think we had a couple of conversations with some of my past relationships and you were always honest with me.

Joey Sasso: 36:39

Yeah.

Alex Dry: 36:40

And even then, when I was talking to different friends and they were telling me different things, I would always it was almost like I was lying to myself. We've all been there In some senses, and definitely my last relationship. I knew it was going to fall apart at some point or another, and I think I was trying everything to keep it together and so I never wanted to do anything wrong or say anything wrong, and so that obviously yeah, walking on eggshells and so and I guess, previous relationships, because I brought that into that relationship and didn't really heal from it.

Alex Dry: 37:20

But now I can look back and admit to that and say, whatever relationship I'm in next, that's something that I'm trying to heal is just being my 100 self and not trying so yeah like again, I think it's feminine energy too, because I feel like I've always also had to be a very strong, independent, blunt assertive.

Joey Sasso: 37:46

Well, how we talk about being people who have that gift of gab and not being afraid to talk to people. How people think they know everything about you and us knowing the shit. Oh, we got them fooled. They don't. If only they knew. When you talk about being a hundred percent with someone, I want it for you so bad, because I know you haven't experienced it like I hadn't previously, so you have an idea of what that is yeah but to have someone sit there with you.

Joey Sasso: 38:15

It's that thing of like, if I'm asking you, if we're together, and I'm like honey, what do you want to try? You haven't tried. Everyone who hasn't had that before in a sense, throw something out there. That's a tester, right?

Joey Sasso: 38:26

you're like yeah how are they gonna? How are they gonna react to this? And if someone reacts negative, it's like, nope, not going down that road again. Yeah, to have someone be able to look you in your eyes in an intimate setting and truly make you feel seen, comfortable, safe, understood to say the craziest shit that's in your head about anything. I want that for you so bad. You deserve that because you are strong, driven and you've been with people who've been great people.

Joey Sasso: 38:56

I don't think I don't take the approach when people's relationships, and even with my own, that someone's a monster, however one does. Today I don't shit on my exes uh, I more so. Look at okay, like they're gone. I need to look at myself because I'm stuck with me. That's how I am too, and I need to be better with anything I wasn't good with. I think that for you, you're so strong-willed and strong-minded. For a lot of men I think that's intimidating. I think you need to find the guy who knows how to handle that and isn't threatened by it, because there's no fucking reason to be threatened by it.

Joey Sasso: 39:34

I've seen you enter a room. People are fucking threatened by it. A hundred percent.

Alex Dry: 39:38

Really? I mean maybe so, but I think it just comes down to even more. So now I will not, I'm still learning and growing. Now I will not, I'm still learning and growing. But since you've met me, like looking back when I was 25 to now, the way that I know myself and who I am, and even like the frequency, the energy that I'm on now meeting other people, I can feel that out and I can be like, okay, this is a friendship that is at this level, because I know that we're not aligned and that doesn't make them a bad person.

Alex Dry: 40:13

That doesn't make them a bad person? That doesn't make me a bad person, but we're just not aligned on that level. Well, that's growth of yeah, living through shitty friendships and learning the hard way.

Joey Sasso: 40:18

Yeah, like I think that makes sense. I mean, the one thing for me I'm still at a crossroads with that I don't have an answer to when I reflect on my relationships and I want to be better in the future is because I was raised to be so like. I'm so loyal. Everyone in my family, that's why I won't commit unless it's like no, no, no end game. I will fucking hide a body with you in the desert and literally have your back on everything like it really is at that level it's such, such a good quality.

Joey Sasso: 40:47

but yeah, but it sucks because, inevitably.

Joey Sasso: 40:52

For me, what's happened is my mother and father have been together since they were teenagers, teenagers their entire life. I'm sure now, as a 30-year-old man, they have had issues, problems in their marriage. I've never known Like. I truly grew up thinking, oh, they've never fought once Like they're right now in Aruba for my mom's birthday Today's my mom's birthday Go four times a year. They're each other's best friends and both my sisters and I tried replicating that with all of our exes of our first love's gonna be the one they're.

Joey Sasso: 41:22

You know all of those things, but there's been moments in every relationship I've been in where something has been done from my person that I'm not okay with. That I never come back from, never, and most people walk away. I don't know how to, because that's not I truly do believe. If I marry someone right, I don't care if it falls apart, the worst any relation could. You're my wife. I will not divorce you like I took an oath under god for the rest of my life.

Joey Sasso: 41:57

But inevitably I've never gotten to the point with someone where I've been hurt by them and for the record I'm sure they could say I hurt them in similar ways. But from my side it's okay. I have been betrayed my loyalty, my trust, everything. I don't know how to come back from this and just be okay again, because every time we have, we have not, and what my you can call it toxic bad. My trait is is because I am wired the way I am to be loyal to someone and love someone. Once that point of no return comes, I start bottling everything up because I'm programmed to be the, the pleaser, to take care of you, make everything okay, we're gonna get through this, everything that builds up yeah it builds, it builds and builds, it builds and builds until I literally fucking like, explode, like explode and scream, talk filthy, like things that are not me at all.

Joey Sasso: 43:03

And in my past relationship how I said I did things right, even when I did things wrong, I was saying to my ex I'm repeating the past because I had spent so much time wanting her to know everything I had done, been through all of my bad things, not the good things, all the bad things. I'm bottling things up. We haven't gotten past things that have happened I don't know how and never made it back. So me having the outlook I do with marriage, with loyalty, with everything, I would really love to get to a place with someone where that happens, because inevitably you commit to something like you really commit, shit's gonna happen.

Joey Sasso: 43:43

It's a long life yeah, people fuck up we're all human, but I would love to be in that position where, if something like that happens, I am with someone who has the same outlook that I do and I actually learn that you can make it through those things right, because I know people who are married and love someone in the marriage cheated, no mistakes, and they actually make it back somehow. Yeah, I've never been able to do that and I really would love to have that in the future, because I just know the other thing for myself I need to do. When you're talking about knowing what a friendship is, where it is and where it ends, I don't know how to walk away from people that I love, like my dad was telling me when I was home. He was like you're too honest, like you can't. Like you're too honest, you're too loyal. Sometimes you got to know when to walk away.

Alex Dry: 44:41

Are these people helping you or hurting you?

Joey Sasso: 44:44

I think it can go both ways, but let's say in not the worst case. In the best case, say they're helping you. Can go both ways, but let's say in, not the worst case. In the best case say they're helping you. You know, if someone's not for you for whatever reason, yeah, that you have to trust your intuition, that into it, never fucking lies every time you go against it because you see everyone's good, best qualities.

Joey Sasso: 45:02

Yeah, in the end there will come a moment where you are alone at three o'clock in the morning and you're going. It's not that I, I'm just hurt, it's deeper of. I allowed myself to look stupid when I knew the whole fucking time, yeah, of anything with someone. But yeah, I, I think right now because I don't know how to walk away, because I, I need to learn how to do that. It has been that thing of like I'm not dating, I'm not looking for that, I don't like it's the 30s thing. I don't know if it's everything from last year that I went through or just where I'm at.

Alex Dry: 45:37

I'm extra at both. Dude I Life, experience, age, everything.

Joey Sasso: 45:40

I don't want to have sex with anyone. I literally am like I want to be alone. I'm celibate at this point. I don't think I've had sex in like a year, but isn't that a great feeling.

Alex Dry: 45:50

I don't really. It's not something I'm thinking of because, also, I'm just so focused on you know, the people that are close to me, keeping those friendships solid Even before. I'm sure you can relate too. You think that you need a whole group of people around you all the time, really no, you need a whole group of people around you all the time, really no. I reflected and was like, if I have five good friends, it doesn't matter if I talk to them every day two years ago.

Alex Dry: 46:17

Whatever, if I have like five solid friends, I'm good and I really need to nurture those relationships instead of trying to put all my eggs in so many baskets and trying to fulfill so many people and and that would almost fill the void of focusing on myself.

Joey Sasso: 46:33

But while I agree what we were saying before about people when they get relationships. Yeah, that's all good and dandy, but don't let any of those friends ever make you feel like shit for focusing on yourself or being distant, because to me I hate that shit. I'm like dude when people are like, oh you hate me, oh you never. I'm like. I just always assume people are busy, people are living, like. I'm not like. I texted alex dry. It's been three days. She hasn't texted me back. Wow, clearly I'm not what I thought I was. Certainly no, you're doing things. Yeah, people take things.

Joey Sasso: 47:07

So personally, and I don't know man, I think there is something for me, at least at this point in my life, where I'm like, yeah, I don't mean me wrong, I would love to have that intimacy, but I'm still recovering from everything last year.

Joey Sasso: 47:23

I'm taking my time and when you talk about that growth, my first relationship ended with my ex that I moved out here with and I was using oh my God, I was out every night, I was fucking everything that moved, living in a state of blackout, now allowed to let my worst tendencies come to light because I didn't have to hide it from someone I'm living with and with my family, I just don't have to call them. And now in this relationship ended, I actually did something I never do. I got into another relationship very quickly and it wasn't to peel the wound of what I was going through. I am aware how long it takes me to get there with someone. This was a scenario where I had never experienced something with this person like this and I said to myself it's like God is putting this person here and to me it's like I can be so stubborn in my ways, with how I am, that I could fuck up something. That's again like the circle thing.

Alex Dry: 48:22

Yeah.

Joey Sasso: 48:23

Something different you don't expect. That's not your wiring and can be great. Allow it to happen, and I did, and it didn't end well, it's okay, I could say. The person I was with truly it's not lip service the most amazing human being I've ever met, with the biggest fucking heart, saved my fucking life last year with everything I was going through, and I will never say a bad word about her, but that was a brand new thing that I'd never done and I was like you know what? I'm going to trust God that this is right here, like this, and go with it.

Joey Sasso: 48:59

But after all, that man, it's like I don't like the people. When they get single, they need someone. I don't need someone I never have. I don't want that. I want to be left alone. I want to focus on my career. I want to grind and really sit back and let whatever is meant to be be and let it come. Because, like, don't you love? Because you're a very smart woman, right, you know a lot, you read people very, very well. I love when you are like that and you do know so much of how things are gonna go and you can call so many things, but when life hits you, it's up. You truly never saw coming and you're like never would have called that in a million years. That's the shit I'm waiting for. I have alarms set for every five minutes on every hour of the day.

Alex Dry: 49:48

Why.

Joey Sasso: 49:48

Because I have to be. I'm a night owl, so if I crash, I crash, so I need to set a hundred alarms if I have to be somewhere on time to make sure I'm up and make it.

Alex Dry: 49:57

So you sleep during the day and you stay up all night.

Joey Sasso: 50:00

Most of the time. Yeah, I fluctuate, I try to switch it, but like I'm a vampire, I'm nocturnal. I always have been. When everyone goes to sleep, that's when I'm the most alive and I want to work and do all of my things, you know.

Alex Dry: 50:13

When do you sleep, like from 10 to 2?

Joey Sasso: 50:16

Well, this morning I went to sleep at like 8 or 9 am, I think. Oh my gosh.

Alex Dry: 50:21

That would stress me out, but I was up.

Joey Sasso: 50:23

I was up working, so if I'm writing obsession of living on that page and trying to perfect it through all the versions, so inevitably hours will go, just come and go. But in general I try to be in bed like 2 or 3 am. But I've just always been a night owl, ever since I was a kid my parents, it's that thing where you're like I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing.

Alex Dry: 50:45

I've been so consistently myself, yeah, my whole life and it's never changed, you know did you know the hours of two to four, I believe, or two to five is a certain hour where, basically, it's when all like the monks and like if you're buddhist, they'll pray, meditate I didn't, and it's the most holy hour what makes it or something?

Joey Sasso: 51:10

do you know the reason behind it? Why they? I mean, I agree with it because I think, feel like the opial hour, but it's basically whenever the it just feels like that spiritual thing. You hear that.

Alex Dry: 51:23

You understand as soon as you hear it yeah, because I used to wake up at 2 am every morning and like two or three, and I always thought that it was. You know, if you hear certain things, they're like oh, that's the witching hour like that's evil and so I used to always think that, and then I started like getting into more like meditation and all that, and they're like no, it's actually the opposite.

Joey Sasso: 51:45

It's just when the like vortex or like whatever is more open and so you actually connect with other I mean, it makes sense nothing makes me happier than when my phone goes off at two or three am and I'm talking with someone like intensely back and forth because I'm the most alive and my brain is is going. But you know, you've been saying meditation I do have it written down what.

Alex Dry: 52:09

Okay, so it's the Ambrosial hour. It's from three to six, when everything is still soft and a little bit surreal. Some call it the golden hour for the soul, and the reason why is it's the divine hour, a time filled with magic, clarity and an almost otherworldly energy. In traditions, it's the nectar time, they believe the veil between the physical and the spiritual is the thinnest. Your body is rested, your ego is quiet and your intention gets louder. That's why so many artists, monks and deep thinkers choose this time to pray, create or connect facts no notes.

Alex Dry: 52:53

Makes sense, makes complete sense so yeah, is that not crazy it?

Joey Sasso: 52:59

makes complete sense. Yeah, I mean, that's one of the cool things about moving here is being the way I was wired my whole life, knowing I was very different than everyone who I had known, and meeting people throughout the years who are the same fucking way. Yeah, okay, I'm not. I'm not as crazy as I thought, like people are wired this way when it comes to the arts, when it comes to creativity, and being able to share that with someone was really fucking dope. But here's what I want to ask you I know we got a few minutes left. What shit do you want to ask me? Like, what's the shit you really want to know that you don't know?

Alex Dry: 53:34

so, I know you got to maybe get to some things I want to answer some shit that you throw me on spot with I do have one question, which it's more so just a conspiracy type situation. So, with all of the film industry in hollywood and you've been in the industry a long time, yeah have you been exposed to anything of the dark realm? No or the things that's coming out.

Joey Sasso: 54:00

I, because maybe I have a sense of humor. That's very dark comedy I immediately think of. I was watching uh, if you know, the comedian Jamie Kennedy, with the actor Michael Biehn love them and they were talking about the sex parties and the people and they were like in our prime, did you get an invite? He's like no, I was fucking handsome, what the fuck. So it's always that thing of like. I guess I'm not fucking good looking enough to be at the secret cult places, but no Well with the reality show and stuff.

Alex Dry: 54:32

I feel like you know that does open you up to being subjected to that, especially like as a young person maybe, but I don't know.

Joey Sasso: 54:40

I do think maybe just because of the side I'm in, I try to make a point to let people know how much I don't take myself seriously with things Like with my career. I take myself so serious, seriously with things like with my career. I take myself so serious. But so many people that are in the space I'm in of the unscripted, I'm like get the fuck over yourself. Like dude people like you, for literally you, you're not god's gift to earth. You haven't perfected a skill set or a craft of talent that takes years and like fucking relax, yeah, but yeah, all of my years here, what I could say is pretty similar to what I would say I bet you could agree with hear all the things about many people yeah, many and then you talk to like friends and family back home and you're like dude and they're like you're out of your mind that's not they're not doing that.

Joey Sasso: 55:33

And then things come out years later and they're like okay, you call, like. I remember all my friends back home, all my boys thought I was gay because I worked at the gay bar. And then I go home and I tell them things that we all know yeah, you'd be like bro, you think everyone's fucking gay insert huge star here is not gay. And now, years later, it's all but confirmed, if not gay, bi, are very open to have fun. But I I'm fascinated by this industry as a whole, especially when it comes to the things that happen that no one will ever know and how the the mechanics work.

Joey Sasso: 56:13

Like my mentor, dan ireland, who passed away the greatest human to ever walk the face of this earth I love that man so much. I remember he was telling me about one of his friends who ran paramount and she didn't just do that, she was also in charge of finding the dates for some massive stars who are gay to be able to have sex and not have it come out and also putting them in those public relationships. And you hear things like that and most people again they watch Ellen, let's say, back in the day and they just believe everything. They're like do you not know, like like me and you sitting here talking, if this is a national talk show, none of it would be this organic, it's all.

Alex Dry: 56:55

Oh, all scripted, Of course, and then, oh, I could go on about the Ellen thing. So do you know Twitch?

Joey Sasso: 57:01

No, like the platform.

Alex Dry: 57:02

Twitch. He was a DJ on Ellen's show for a long time.

Joey Sasso: 57:05

The dancer, yes, the one who committed suicide.

Alex Dry: 57:18

Committed suicide yeah.

Joey Sasso: 57:19

I'm not downplaying.

Alex Dry: 57:19

Maybe he did, but there's been, like a lot of things that have come out because the way that the things unfolded is I mean me being in the dance industry for so long I like knew people that were associated with him- yeah. And they were posting on their platforms. Because his wife came out and said oh, I found drugs and like different things that he may have been doing, or like a journal, I don't, don't quote me on those exact things, but something of the sort and they were like, honestly, we've known twitch for years, he would never do any of that like that is not him.

Alex Dry: 57:49

and what?

Joey Sasso: 57:50

What's the conspiracy?

Alex Dry: 57:50

The conspiracy is that Twitch was Because Ellen was retiring her show. Yes, and he left the show a little bit before and he made his debut that he was leaving. Whatever the conspiracy is that he was going to expose certain things that she was involved in, or maybe people around like Diddy or whoever was involved in, and so they basically killed him.

Joey Sasso: 58:15

I mean, I know nothing about the case so I can't confirm or deny anything that you're saying because I need to research. But what I can tell you for the people watching at home, it is not a joke, it is not bullshit Like people here today like oh, everyone does satanic shit or the term illuminati has been the most overused, misunderstood term mainstream wise in the last 10 years. It is an absolute fact.

Joey Sasso: 58:44

it's not speculation that a great deal of people in this town in this business perform ritualistic, fucked up dark things, for whatever reason they're doing it, and it's not a hearsay thing to be a conspiracy theorist shit happens yeah there are a lot of people who I know, who have been to some of it many very exclusive hidden party things which, as the fan of loving all the gossip of what happens, would love to be a fly on the wall. But like I don't, I'm raised catholic.

Alex Dry: 59:26

I that's what I was gonna say. Certain people, I feel like they do have a protection over them, so that's why maybe it's never crossed their path in some sort.

Joey Sasso: 59:34

I really believe in that. What do you think in terms of beyond the people just doing it? Let's say, you perform some voodoo shit, some ritual shit? Do you believe in the power of whatever spell, whatever they're doing, to actually work?

Alex Dry: 59:49

That's a really interesting question because, yes and no, I think that there is obviously for me, I believe in God and I think that there's also a evil spirit. Whether it's the devil or whatever it is, there's definitely something that's opposite, there has to be.

Joey Sasso: 1:00:06

That's the only way the scales balance there's sin like corruption.

Alex Dry: 1:00:09

You know, like God, he came on and he was perfect you know, and some you know, adam and Eve, there's corruption.

Alex Dry: 1:00:18

So I think that, yes, there is evil things, but if you have you know God living within you, then you're able to rebuke those things, or it's not something that's really going to affect you in certain ways, but I think that the devil is at play, like he's gonna try to tempt you, test you, yeah do different things, but I think if you really look into your spiritual like I'm huge in the paranormal, I'm huge. There are spirits right here, right now yeah, like, oh my gosh, did you see the Tesla?

Joey Sasso: 1:00:50

No.

Alex Dry: 1:00:51

What, what.

Joey Sasso: 1:00:52

What happened?

Alex Dry: 1:00:53

Oh my gosh, bridget, have you seen this, or are you not listening? I've been listening, but I don't know if I've seen the Tesla. Oh my gosh, it's so crazy. So if you drive, okay, so Tesla cars have the screen and if someone gets too close to the car, it detects the person. Yes, and so they've been driving into cemeteries with teslas and it detects people in the cemeteries at certain points like it'll, there'll be so many people oh my gosh, it's so I mean it's fascinating, but it's, yeah, it's detecting frequencies, so like it's like I don't know

Joey Sasso: 1:01:26

how people like I don't ever look, I hate. Like you can go with politics, you can go with religion. Someone feels differently than I do. Fuck them, they're this, they're that. Like I've never been that guy. But I really just don't understand people who don't have faith because I feel god every day. Like you ask me, I 100, I know where I'm going when I die. Like I don't fear dying. I truly never have. I'll be with my family, be with my friends. I just want to be a good person while I'm here. I just can't imagine waking up every day opening your eyes looking at the world around you and not being able to see God feel faith of, of you know why we're here and where we're gonna go. And to take it back to the, the dark shit, I absolutely believe that you can conjure shit by opening yourself to it, like I believe a lot of people, let's say like ghost spirit, will never experience anything because they're not open to it.

Joey Sasso: 1:02:27

If you're not open to it yeah you're not gonna allow something in and if you're calling in malevolent darkness, that absolutely exists. I always feel like if you're casting, let's say, some dark, ritualistic shit with these groups of people to do something, I believe it absolutely can and will happen, just not in the time frame you probably want, in the way you want, over time.

Alex Dry: 1:02:50

Do you think that it can be like, say, they're doing it right and they're casting this over you? Yeah yeah, do you think that it can affect you?

Joey Sasso: 1:02:58

Yes and no, I think a lot of times from the, because I've researched a lot of this shit. If you're casting shit to try to harm someone, a lot of shit that I have read in depth says that always is going to come back on you. Lot of shit that I have read in depth says that always is going to come back on you because you are putting something in the realms with ill intent to hurt someone.

Joey Sasso: 1:03:20

Yeah, but yeah, I think that it's hard. I really absolutely believe there is a mass amount of people who run everything in the world, yeah and do a lot of really fucked up dark shit that if you were to say publicly to them would laugh in your face like you're crazy. There has been enough. That has come out.

Joey Sasso: 1:03:42

That is not speculation that is on film that people do some weird, crazy shit and, being the guy I am that loves this business, loves hollywood, you have to be honest about go back to the beginning of hollywood. It's been known propaganda and that's not speculation, knowing people can be controlled and you can like I'll give you one that's nuts if I were to make a in a studio. That's an alien film, specifically sci sci-fi, alien invasion film. Do you know that the CIA Get involved? Yeah, to oversee. That's again for people watching. That's not conspiracy theory.

Alex Dry: 1:04:23

That's true.

Joey Sasso: 1:04:24

This is what happens.

Alex Dry: 1:04:25

Oh, Bryce and I talked about this Did you. On one of my podcasts. I had Bryce here.

Joey Sasso: 1:04:30

Not Bryce.

Alex Dry: 1:04:31

We brought you up.

Joey Sasso: 1:04:32

Yeah, yeah, you uh on one of my podcasts I had bryce here and we got.

Alex Dry: 1:04:33

We brought you up because I was telling him one of my conspiracy quote-unquote theories is that him being on too hot to handle you doing the circle. Okay, those were filmed a year before, or even a little bit longer than they even came out. Then covid hits right, so everyone's on lockdown, then all those shows come out. You don't think that that was all planned out like very strategically? I do.

Joey Sasso: 1:04:55

Well, I do. But I've never looked at it like that when I tell people about the success for us on those first seasons. Because now what's happened is people go on Netflix shows and they're pissed when they don't get a million followers, everything. Like I told you, when I talked to Raf the first time he brought it up to me, netflix didn't I was like they don't do reality shows. Well, they're bitch. They're about to. We had the circle January 1st Love is blind. February 14th Too hot to handle it. Like they structured that so fucking perfectly that it boom, boom, boom.

Joey Sasso: 1:05:26

And it hit for all of us. Now they're known for it doesn't hit the same way. What I could say with the covid shit is again it's hot water because it's like the political thing you can't have nuanced thoughts because you're on one side or the other, and you're either good or bad, depending on whoever you're talking to I don't care what anyone tells me. You're not going to tell me that the elites of whatever sort you want to call them in weren't able to see that a vast majority of people are so controllable.

Alex Dry: 1:05:57

You have to normalize it through media. A lot of shows and movies are normalizing things to come. I believe these types of conversations, right?

Joey Sasso: 1:06:07

Do you get scared? No, I mean I do feel that thing of dark force, evil, my dad, family again, like very Italian, like that's it. Don't put a shoe on the table.

Alex Dry: 1:06:17

Yeah, don't even bring it, Don't even manifest it.

Joey Sasso: 1:06:20

If I say certain shit my mother still says make the sign of the cross, don't say that word.

Joey Sasso: 1:06:24

Pray to Saint Francis, of course, like all that shit, but like I don't know, I think that I hate not being able to converse with people. That's the most difficult thing about the day and age we're living in is like, let's just say, Donald Trump, for example, living in this town. I cannot tell you how many fucking people I know who are so close to me, who know they can say anything to me, and I would never repeat it. I'm going to the grave with everyone's secrets by the way to me and I would never repeat it I'm going to the grave with everyone's secrets.

Joey Sasso: 1:06:53

Yeah, I'm that guy for everyone who will sit there in a circle of people. Shit on president trump pre. You know first term now. And then, when they're alone with you, they're like no, no, I love him. Don't say that. Look at that, sucks. Why can't you feel that way? I don't care if I do not give a fuck. If you are democrat, republican, this that if you think opposite of me, that's fucking dope. Why?

Joey Sasso: 1:07:16

because I can learn and I can see from your perspective, there's no part of me that's going. You fucking piece of shit. You, you're awful, you think like who wants to be surrounded by people who just think and feel like they do to me.

Joey Sasso: 1:07:29

I'm like you don't that's boring, don't get any growth, I mean. But you know the day and age we live in. You can't do that. And people it's sort of like the social thing Someone can sit there, comment on your shit and be a keyboard warrior and fight with you, say terrible things would never say that to your face.

Alex Dry: 1:07:46

You live a different life persona through that keyboard versus this, and I find that really fascinating, in good and bad ways yeah, and I think it's such a catch 22 too because even like with the hollywood stuff, as much evil and bad that there is, there's also a lot of good like one person I look up to. That I love in the industry is jelly roll, yeah.

Joey Sasso: 1:08:11

Yeah, I think that.

Alex Dry: 1:08:13

Oh my gosh, His story, the way he helps people, how he's so bold and his like faith and like what he thinks and his beliefs, is amazing to me.

Joey Sasso: 1:08:23

Yeah, but even that right Say you don't like his music or anything. This type of person, perfect example. No one's looking at him and not knowing he's a pure soul. You see it, with people right like you, just know that they're as pure as they come and just a genuine good human. And that's why, in today's world of canceled and headlines and being sued, it makes me so upset how people so quickly get pitchforks for others where I'm like. First of all, being in this space of being in the public eye of any sort, is extremely difficult for anyone. And also take those same people Let me talk to your fucking ex-boyfriend friends, whoever, and learn the shit about you, of you at your fucking worst, that you would never want people to know.

Joey Sasso: 1:09:13

We're all human, dude yeah, exactly like I just I hate that mob mentality thing.

Alex Dry: 1:09:18

I think it's really unfortunate and I hope that shit changes and I think that he does such a great job with that, because he's like look, I've been in jail, I've been an addict, I've done this I've done that, and I didn't even become really known until my late 30s. You know which is so crazy, because that's a whole other topic.

Joey Sasso: 1:09:35

But when Eminem's record came out last year you know I'm a diehard, like I am Stan, I'm that guy it was even deeper because of everything I was going through in my life and it all happened, of course I'm like, oh God the universe, I know it's not coincidence. Oh God the universe, I know it's not coincidence. The day I found out the movie was coming out in July from our distributors was the day we had known a record's coming that it was called the Death of Slim Shady, which I called my partner Josh, and I was freaking out because it's immediately like again, this film, 12 years of our. And there's a conspiracy theory I have which I won't go into here because it's in depth of.

Joey Sasso: 1:10:14

I am connected to this man in a way that's fucking weird where when you look at what his previous five or six records have been, every single one of them has come at a point in my life where one chapter ends, another begins and inevitably everyone my family, friends know like I am idolize this man.

Joey Sasso: 1:10:32

But there will be something on like a soul tie or something it's like like there is just shit that's in all of his, in those records that I can verbalize and convey of how exactly tied to where my life is at that moment, exactly for a chapter ending, a beginning, and then with the record coming with the movie and then it's being titled that like it just mirrored all this shit and it ties back to jelly roll, because when a new m record comes out I'm a psycho, I'm like do not talk to me, like I need to go decipher it and and let this soak in, and god, I can't bring up, but I'm starting to tear up that somebody saved me, which is the Jelly Roll song.

Joey Sasso: 1:11:15

And he's on the hook Whole record. I'm like, of course, taking in so much and I'm loving it, and that song comes, and it is that song of. I am right there in my life in that moment, in that place. I know everything he is saying and I remember the girl I was telling you I was dating at the time. I have a picture, my last post, the one I told you I posted, where everyone was like, oh, you're all fucked, and I was like, no, no, I'm trying to say I'm not in that anymore. It was from that night when the record released and I was bawling. And, by the way, I cry in everything. I cry in dog commercials. I'm that fucking guy.

Alex Dry: 1:11:52

everything makes me cry I think guys should be a little bit more. Yeah, I don't, I don't understand the whole matchup.

Joey Sasso: 1:11:58

The exact fucking opposite to the point. Like my friend who's here, bridget ryan. Um, was I or was I not showing you clips from hardball the other night, bawling my fucking eyes out about g baby like oh my gosh, that's a classic.

Joey Sasso: 1:12:10

It is yeah, but those pictures I remember I gave her my phone and I was like, please just take pictures of me right now. She's like why I'm like? Because I feel this moment so fucking deeply and I don't want to ever forget this. And I'm so happy I did that because, again, it's one of those things where something connects to your soul on such a deep level that you can't even convey to someone for where you are at, and that's what got me into jelly roll and learning his story and whatnot, but yeah, he's a phenomenal artist yeah, that's cool, I love him

Joey Sasso: 1:12:43

and eminem I've the goat the well again like conspiracies, but I heard that he's not a clone no, no, obviously not, I was going to say not that one, I don't really know the whole clone thing.

Alex Dry: 1:12:53

I'm like iffy about to be honest, but that he is so deeply uninvolved with everything that went on here as, like the P Diddy parties and all that, that, he was almost against it, him and 50 Cent 100%. And that's why he lives, know, lives where he does. He has like people protecting him.

Joey Sasso: 1:13:15

There's like a whole thing around it and so I mean it's simple, though I mean, look at on a smaller scale me and you have been at how many parties together do we or do we all not, as friends, sit there and gossip about everyone who's there, who's in their clicks, that they're in, and everyone knows or talks and speculates about the things we hear that people do and are into, and we grab like again, we gravitate towards each other. Our group, yeah, we even you saying that.

Alex Dry: 1:13:42

It just is so crazy to me thinking that, because now, looking back the going out scene, even going to parties, going clubs, it's literally people standing around judging each other. It's no one's having genuine fun.

Joey Sasso: 1:13:55

I don't enjoy it. I'm a homebody again since I got sober. Yeah, I genuinely enjoy being home. When I'm out at those events, it's not because I'm sober and and I'm worried.

Joey Sasso: 1:14:04

I'll like if I'm in a place where I know I could use, like last year you're not seeing me anywhere, because if I'm in a space where I can, I probably are triggered, but in general I just don't enjoy. Like I don't enjoy it. Yeah, I, I don't like that thing of like guys, older guys, third whatever dating younger girls. Never been into that. Like I just see, like some I'll be the most beautiful girl in the world. Like you're 20s, you're in 20, you I'm not there, you know, I don't go to a club and I'm like, fuck, this is lit, this is, if anything, that's when my writer brain and everything is so stimulating because I'm people watching and taking in so much shit. Yeah, but okay, hit me with your next. Like, what do you want to know? Like, hit me with something that you really want to know. Alex dry, oh I don't.

Alex Dry: 1:14:51

I mean there was a lot of questions for you about was the relationship with Carousel fake?

Joey Sasso: 1:14:57

So, with the relationship with Carousel, people will always ask what I can say is it's not what people have made it out to be, but it's hard for me to go into that, especially for the fact of, again, the world we are in today.

Joey Sasso: 1:15:15

Everyone will immediately throw someone under the bus and say things I am that dude where it's a weird space to be in because you're signing up to go into, opening your life up, being on camera for the world to see, but I'm equally as private, so it's like okay, when I'm in that space, have at it, you have access to everything with me and I I won't. I'm the guy who will be stupidly open, like I should not be, when that's over, it's over, and with her, what I can say is everything that happened with that situation, because there was good and very bad. She's one of the only people I've ever been with who had the same outlook as me, which is I'll tell you to go fuck yourself to your face, but I'll never let anyone say that about you, and we both have kept it that way. I love that and that's why I don't speak on it. Where I'm like look, there is also the part of me. I got to be real where I'm like I.

Alex Dry: 1:16:17

There is also the part of me I gotta be real where I'm like I love that people think that let them talk.

Joey Sasso: 1:16:18

Yeah, because I'm like I, the more you are still talking about it years later and you're gonna look for an answer that you're not gonna get because I just I don't know, that's that old school thing of like. I have absolutely hurt my career by being sort of a kid trapped in the 70s in a modern day life, because I grew up idolizing filmmakers, actors, and I was so enthralled by them and seeked out everything they've done performance-wise because we knew nothing about them and you respect them. And then the Mind movie you want to know how are they this good, but who are they? That's gone today because you have to know everything about someone. So my manager, since day one, has fought with me about, you know, being an influencer and I'm like bro, I don't.

Joey Sasso: 1:17:02

Irony of my life is I know nothing about fucking social media, never did and want to show about social media being an influence. I don't know how to fucking do that, but it's hard because you have to be open. I get that you either adapt or die in a lot of scenarios, but I think you can hold things that make you unique and different and make it your own and have it still apply without hurting yourself. But, like dude, I can go on for hours. I have absolutely fucked myself career-wise with where I could be based on things I haven't done, yeah, and won't do. There are a lot of people I have dated, I have been with, who a lot of people would know. I don't say that I don't.

Joey Sasso: 1:17:48

I'm not the guy who is out here calling paparazzi like shit, like that people. It makes me so incensed they don't understand it. I'm not the guy who is out here calling paparazzi like shit, like that people. It makes me so incensed they don't understand it. I'm like okay, say you see, insert massive star here on tmz at starbucks being interviewed about anything. Most people don't even think about it until I start saying to them okay, how many starbucks you're in new york city. How many starbucks exists in new york city? How many starbucks exists in la? Oh, let's say 10 000, 20 000. Yeah, what are the fucking?

Joey Sasso: 1:18:15

odds, they're there they're there at that time to ask them. You really think they're like we need to fucking send a hundred people out to the if they're there at this time? No, you call your reps, they call their people, it's unless you're like justin bieber yeah, which honestly, god bless them. Look, that's why I laugh when it makes me cringe. So hard.

Alex Dry: 1:18:35

It makes me so I feel so sad for him People have asked me like you're a celebrity, you're famous.

Joey Sasso: 1:18:38

I'm like Eminem's, a celebrity. Leonardo DiCaprio is a celebrity. I'm Joey from Rochester, that's all I have ever been. Yeah, but they would probably say the same thing about Eminem you would hope so, but it's like the thing of like a girl who says how hot she is, and I'm like oh, yeah, like shut up like yeah, I don't know.

Alex Dry: 1:18:58

I depending on the person, I guess.

Joey Sasso: 1:19:01

I, I just don't know like. I have friends who are very well known, who play that game expertly. I would never. I understand, at a certain point you have to play the game in ways you just have to. If you're chasing fame which, god's honest truth, I have never wanted, I've never looked for that, I just want. I thought I would be a fucking character actor who got to make my own shit and can make a living. Never, like, I just don't get that thing of. I want to be famous. I want to make shit that people love and inspire, like if I can sit there and talk film with you, that's my fucking lane. To have my name in clickbait articles about leaving so-and-so's apartment or house or that I'm fucking or dating, like that to me is so uncomfortable, yeah, no, I don't.

Alex Dry: 1:19:51

I don't want but I think that's also why people do love you or like you. That's, you know, on the circle yeah people were well, you're a fan favorite. So I think that's why I am that deep intellectual like I?

Joey Sasso: 1:20:04

oh, that's how my brain works and I love asking people how do you perceive me? Like actually not telling me you're great. Like, because when people get comfortable with you, it's, it's fascinating the shit people will tell you. Like I've heard so received me. Like actually not telling me you're great. Like, because when people get comfortable with you, it's, it's fascinating the shit people will tell you. Like I've heard so many times oh, I thought you were a fucking dick. Like you have resting bitch. But then you meet you and you're like yeah, so lovely.

Joey Sasso: 1:20:23

Like I was telling a friend last night. I have a friend who's in the netflix world and she told me recently, after us becoming close over like two years now, that we're this close. I can actually be real with you. I thought you were so full of shit for like a long time I was like again, I'm not the guys, how I'm like no, tell me more, I don't know, this is interesting. And she was like because you're so happy, loving, genuine, about helping your friends and loving seeing people win. I thought that was part of your act, your brand, until now I've gotten this close with you and she's like no, no, no, like you're, she's like you're one of the only people I've ever met in this game who genuinely feels happiness when one of your friends wins yeah, which is and isn't faking it.

Joey Sasso: 1:21:11

But I'm like, how do people not like dude? Yeah, I, I was a fighter my entire life, right, boxer set the foundation for everything I've ever accomplished in my life and everything that's got me back on track. God is my witness. I mean this with everything in me. I am only in competition with myself. I know what, what I'm capable of. I know what I can do when one of my friends wins. We all fucking win, dude. Like I moved here loving this game, not knowing a fucking person in the world one month after graduating high school, going, here we go. When I see my people win, I'm like, yes, bitch. Like this is what we all live for. We're finishing up, yeah.

Alex Dry: 1:21:52

Yeah, okay, ass bitch like this is what we all live for we're finishing up.

Joey Sasso: 1:21:54

Yeah, yeah, okay. So it's one of those things where I I don't know why people aren't that way, because in this town especially, people will smile at you and congratulate you and they don't want anything good for you that's like really sickening to me yeah, and it's so sad too, but I think also I mean, as long as I've known you like what you see is what you get.

Alex Dry: 1:22:14

Yeah and that and also that's the thing of.

Joey Sasso: 1:22:17

That's why people love you, but the right people are going to gravitate towards you because they see that genuine well, I mean again, this is sort of like us blowing ourselves, but it's like we're still friends to this day yeah because of that, like my ex-girlfriend had said, she knew I was a good human.

Joey Sasso: 1:22:34

Actually, because of the fact of she was like, I looked at all of your like your people, my people that are my real ride or dies, and they're all great people and I never thought of that. It's like people talk about LA sucking yeah, it does. People are awful. All of my people are great. I meet the great ones and I'm happy for it.

Alex Dry: 1:22:55

So it's like nah, I'm good. Yeah, that's one thing that people kept telling me is the people that you surround yourself with isn't aligned with what you put out there, and so I think that's a lot of you know in the last like year, two years yeah a lot of change that I'm just so happy we were able to fucking.

Alex Dry: 1:23:12

I know like it's made me so happy I know I literally have like all these like questions people ask, but we can do it another, get into it another time yeah, I feel like a lot of our conversations are like high thoughts but sober.

Joey Sasso: 1:23:25

Yeah, talking about shit, it like really deep, but really deep yeah I was so happy when you asked me to do this, just because I love you to death. You're one of my favorite people and the fact that you're doing so well, thank you, makes me really happy, you too.

Alex Dry: 1:23:39

We have so much more to catch up on, but I'm glad that everything from last year and everything you went through you came out of. But also it's, like you know, obviously a growing experience. But it relates to so many people to realize one humanizes you, yeah.

Joey Sasso: 1:23:57

Two, to know that they're not alone yeah and whether you're struggling with depression addiction yeah like you can get through it yeah, man, I mean, look at, that's why I had to get to that point of fuck the privacy. Put it out there, because those people who did that saved my life. If anyone going through some shit right now is in that hole mentally and stuck and can hear anything I'm saying and know that's what they're going through, I got through it, so can you. It's. It's really corny cliche, one day at a time yeah, that's it.

Alex Dry: 1:24:27

Yeah, all right, guys. Well, thank you so much for watching this entry of the dry diaries. Thank you, joey, for coming on you're the best. We will see you next week. Bye.