Welcome to the Move Up Podcast.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Joining us today is Garrett Rice, the co-founder and CEO of callings.ai. Garrett and his team built callings, ai. To solve a problem that they personally experience, and maybe you can relate to the frustrating and outdated job search experience with backgrounds at companies like Apple. I've heard of that. And Adobe. I've also heard of that. Garrett and his co-founders took their expertise in technology and innovation to create a platform that truly supports job seekers, and you're gonna want to hear about what it can do. Calling AI is a game changer, offering AI powered tools to simplify and optimize every step of your job. Hunt from resume customizations to interview, prep and networking. In today's conversation, Garrett and I are going to chat about. His insights on how the modern jobs market has evolved, how AI is reshaping career development. It's reshaping everything around us, especially careers and what job seekers can do to stay competitive. If you are currently in the job search or you're maybe aiming for a promotion or just a better job, episode is gonna be packed with actionable advice you don't wanna miss out on Garrett, welcome to the job interview experience.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Thank you Matthew Ru. Really excited to be here.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120So my understanding is that Calling's AI was born out of some personal frustration with the job search process. What was that experience like?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah. So my partner, Philippe Cayou and I met as part of a career coaching session. Both of us had long high tech careers. Really for the first time in our careers, we were looking for a job. I'd been at Apple a long time and in my job changes had always been just calling somebody that I knew. For the first time I was really trying to figure out what to do next. And same with Philippe. And as we were going through this, both of us are product guys. We were always wanting to build things. We increasingly became. I don't even, frustrated is not strong enough aghast at what was available in terms of helping people get a job. Not on the coaching side but on the operational product side, the process side we were just we built our own spreadsheets, we were using our own tools. Of course, AI has been coming out and so we were using that and we woke up one day and said, We need to build a better solution, a better overall solution that helps manage what is increasingly a very complicated job hunt. and so we've been working on that now for about 18 months and, continually improving and adding features to help people manage. What we call the total, it's a total job hunt platform to manage the whole total job hunt. And we think that on average a job seeker uses 16 different tools in their job search.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Yeah, it's insane.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120And that is insane. You can't keep track of that. And that's the story we heard from many job seekers is the job hunt itself is painful. And then they have to do it in a rinse and repeat fashion, and they didn't have a home base or a command center to do it. And so that's what we've been working on.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Yeah the job search has turned into something you, no matter what level you are in your career you almost need an executive assistant. To help you get through it, to manage your inbox on all the application replies, right? So you re even remember where you applied to the rejections, to did I apply for this job or not? Lemme look at my inbox, right? Lemme find the folder. it's just absolutely insane how. I don't think there's any one person you can point a finger to like, Hey, this company screwed it up. Or, Hey, this A TS screwed it up. It's just, there's so many companies, so many tools, I think remote work, right? The volume of jobs you can apply to has certainly made an impact. What do you think are the biggest challenges that job seekers are facing today that they didn't face five or 10 years ago?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah, no, I think you nailed it. I think the pandemic Zoom remote work has fundamentally changed what's going on in the job market. Before that I think there was What we call a geofence, like I am here in Silicon Valley and you really were only competing with other people in Silicon Valley for most of my career or jobs because, the idea of moving from somewhere else to Silicon Valley it's very expensive to buy a house here, et cetera. And so you just weren't competing. And with remote work, that's all gone. Now it seems like you're competing globally for every role. And then there's tremendous pressure if you have experience, they almost are starting to look to move you because they can get a. cheaper or more affordable candidate.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Interesting.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120And the result is it's just incredibly more competitive. And then you mentioned the TS systems, which you talk about a lot on your podcast. And I think these are changing everything too. It seems like there's less personal recruiters, real human recruiters out there and companies are relying more on technology to review and. process, job applications. And as a result, your applications have to be perfect and you have to apply to a lot more jobs than historical. And you have to have a lot of help, to manage all of that. And, first of all, you need to understand what you're doing and be in that process. And I think podcasts like this are essential and the training that you provide, because if you don't have the right mindset. you don't know what you're in for. And then you know what we're doing, which is providing a home base for you to manage it all,
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120I had to get your insight how is AI being used by companies hiring companies? A TS is everything in between.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120they're using it to review your job application. Now, in many cases the TS systems aren't even ai. They're keyword based. Which is worse because they have no intelligence. They're processing many more job applications without a human being touching it. And you've talked about this. The statistic we hear is anywhere between 75 to, 85% of all job applications now are never seen by a human being. and they get their call list, the list of people they want to interview out of these systems without ever reviewing them themselves. and so if you're in that group, this explains why when you apply, you never hear from anybody because you've been cast aside by a robot and, you're in the rejection stack, and it might be as simple as forgetting to put a keyword in for some. aspect of the job search that the company, identified as being important. And it's not even that you don't have that experience, it's just that you didn't list it in the exact way that they wanted it. That's, pretty scary, honestly,
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120I wonder if the AI is in some ways more fair than keyword because I can give an example. Some places have their own fancy name for a salesperson, One I've personally witnessed this, like a system design specialist. It's actually just a salesperson, right? It almost sounds like maybe a architect or someone who helps someone, but that could be a bonafide high earning salesperson. If the resume a doesn't say anything about sales, it says that's, the system design specialist is their job title. They might be outta luck. Where the AI might be able to make some assumptions based off that. do you think that. AI has ability to see more of either a diamond in the rough, someone who has potential, a human could see, but a keyword can't. And then also, is it able to make better assumptions about someone's experience than a keyword would
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120I think it's definitely better than a keyword search. I agree with you entirely on that. And that's because AI can be semantic. it can look more holistically at Somebody who's applying and interpret a little bit. So I think that helps. Though even AI still gets caught up a little bit in, lexicon, what you mentioned just now makes me smile because when I worked at Apple. At Apple, if you're the product manager of Mac OS 10, your title is Product Marketing manager. At Apple Product Management and Product Marketing, which are, fundamentally one is an outbound role, one's an inbound role, Are owned by one person. Apple has always believed that's the case. And interestingly enough, if you have product marketing manager on your resume and you apply to a lot of companies, they will not consider you for a product manager role because they assume that you're outward focused only. and that highlights. The challenge and sometimes AI can't even pick that up. But I do agree it's a much better solution. In fact, in our platform, we've built a reverse. We take your resume and then we go and look at millions of job posts and compare to try and, semantically and holistically find opportunities that match you. And we even give you a match score so you have a good idea of how closely you are to that role in terms of your background and skills. And I think AI is better at that. I don't know that it's as good as a really talented recruiter, but it's certainly better than keyword matching. And that's our perception. And, so to help level the playing field we've built the opposite, right? Which is, looking at your resume to compare it against those job posts to give you a sense of how you'll do, and then also make recommendations on how to improve it.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120We mentioned earlier how overwhelming it is, the number of applications that need to be sent out by a job seeker. How is callings AI helping to simplify that process?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120We're trying to help manage the entire workflow. At the center of everything we do a tracker Where all of your jobs go. So when you're applying, you don't have to build your own spreadsheet. When we talk to job seekers, many of them are using Excel or Google Docs to build a spreadsheet to manage what is a increasingly complicated search. We've tried to take that off of their plates and provide that. And then, We've carefully analyzed the steps of the process of applying for a job and tried to help people. Not automate that because we feel like, the mass supply shotgun solutions that are out there will quickly go away as companies block them. But to help them manage the workflow and the process. And that includes everything from finding the jobs that match them to doing research on the company to make certain that it's a good fit. To customizing resumes and cover letters. And there's many tools for that, and, they should pick the one that makes the most sense for them. And then the application process itself. And then we have a very powerful networking tool. So what we try and do is identify the hiring manager. And bring that to you so you can just go through that process. 'cause for us, one of the things that people struggle with most, and you talk about it on your podcast all the time, networking is the key process. But it's so hard. It's hard for two reasons, finding the right person and then that blank page problem. What do I say? And I, myself, when I was looking for a job, would spend, half a day staring at a page what should I say to this person? 'cause you feel like you're mooching them to get their help. and we've really focused on that and build a platform that says these are the people that are closest to that role, and here is a first draft of a message that you can send to them to reach out.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120it finding like a LinkedIn profile
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120So we want to be LinkedIn's best friend. We know that people's social graph exists on LinkedIn. What LinkedIn doesn't have is a full process for manning a job hunting. There's a lot of tools for job hunting, but it doesn't carry you through, like a CRM and so what we do is we use those same semantic and powerful ai. Capabilities to go out and look at all the people that are connected with a role and bring the people that are most relevant and then also, like I said, give you, first steps to do that outreach. 'cause you're gonna have to outreach to a lot of people when you're looking for a job and the modern job hunt, as we've talked about, you might have to apply for. Hundreds of jobs. On average, I think the number is 50, but I think that statistic came from earlier years, and my bet is that a lot of people are applying to hundreds of jobs at this point, which is terrifying and awful, but the reality that they have to undertake.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120It's interesting that you're drafting the message because the number one thing I tend to help people with is whatever they write, whether it's a cover letter or a message, we need to make that about 90% shorter. 'Cause a lot of times people. when people reach out, they're like, oh, this hiring manager is gonna wanna hear my life story. And a lot of times I'm sorry to listeners, but a lot of people tend to think if they feel bad enough for me, they're gonna gimme a shot. And so then you start hearing about the layoff and the dog and everything in between Unfortunately, that doesn't help the company get anything that they want. And so if you're helping script things, and my assumption is you're not writing super long documents that's incredibly helpful and it's just hard to know what to say. When you write a message do I not include anything and just make it short enough to read or do I include enough to get a reply so if you're helping people do that. Just the time that saves and I would assume it's a better message overall than 99% of us can do. That helps a lot.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah. No, I love what you're saying there. And our intention is not that what is sent is the message that our AI helps generate. It's a starting point, right? You should never submit anything AI creates without reading it and personalizing it. But starting without that blank page, I think is a great starting point. That's what we really try to solve, because if you have something you can always say, that's not what I wanna say. And you could rewrite it, but if you have a blank page, then you just stare.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Writer's block is the enemy of job seekers. What mistakes are you seeing? Job seekers make in their job search 2024 or 2025 and how can they fix it?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah I come at it slightly differently in the sense that I think the biggest mistake is letting the job hunt get to them to the point where they don't send enough messages out. it's a process where you have to go through this and get into this workflow process. Of course the messages are critically important, and I certainly love the recent podcast where you talked about being too nice at the end of interviews, and I think what you just said about oversharing on your outreach messages. that plays a big role. Obviously how you project yourself makes a big difference in this. But equally important, at least for us, is simply recognizing that you have to do the work as a job seeker. and that involves, filling your funnel.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Would you say you look at this from the perspective of a salesperson when you say something like funnel or marketing?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120I'm not a, I, my career wasn't, I was not in sales except at the beginning of my career, but I did learn a valuable lesson about that, in marketing and sales, which is simply that, and probably it's true for dating and jobs and a lot of other things is, you have to give yourself enough opportunities. And the only way to do that is to put yourself out there a lot. And, I don't know what the statistics are. You might have a better sense, but how many applications do you make before you get an interview in the modern job market? We're, I'm seeing charts on Reddit where people are applying to 500 jobs and get three interviews. And so there in that funnel that, the top of the funnel is 500 and the bottom is three, which is. Agonizing, but the reality and then what do you think the percentages are of interviews to success? It's probably still one out of every four or one out of every five maybe.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Yeah.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120So you just, going into it, I think as a job seeker, you just have to recognize that and say, okay, this is the way, what is the Mandalorian, this is the way.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120the way I need to, one of the things I like to talk about and I know the stats and I've just been there, but in coaching a lot of people and talking to a lot of people, probably I may have talked to more. Job seekers than anyone out there as that's not interviewing them, right? That's like kind of the ear that can be lent to them. That they tell me things that they wouldn't tell an employer or anything else. I need to have, I'm not like a WOOWOO guy at all, but I need to either have a psychologist, a scientist, or an astrologist on, 'cause I've witnessed this many times. This weird thing. You talk about the funnel and you get discouraged, you apply, you take a break, all those things. There's this really weird thing I've witnessed countless times. I see it all the time. With my interview. Coaching is No interviews, no interviews, whatever. No offers. six months, a year, and then you get one offer, and then you have three within the same. Typically what I see is 10 day span and maybe it's a law of attraction. I don't have anything against that. That's just not how I live my life. It's this weird thing that happens for people and if you don't have a funnel that can't happen at all. If you apply for one job, you can only get one offer max. There's some, and I think there's just, there are some basic truths about if you are interviewing for multiple jobs, you seem less desperate and that does attract employers in a certain way. If you seem really obsessed I'd love to work here, please give me a shot. that never goes over well. So there's just some basic, I think psychology or like playing hard to get or. in the very back of your mind, when you show up to interview one and you have three more scheduled within the next couple weeks, you're just going to act differently and more confident and less needy. So there, there's that side as well. But that unquantifiable thing that happens and I've, you wouldn't imagine a number of emails I get, like I had no offers. For seven months and now I have four or three and I am screwed. I'm scared to death 'cause I don't know what to do. I didn't, I don't want any of these jobs. I just want a counteroffer from my current employer and all of a sudden, so anyway, we'll get off that subject. But that's the counter to the funnel, right?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120It's probably worth what is your advice on that? If you're, if you get three opportunities
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120You
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matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120'em all against each other what I ask for, would basically more money or more PTO, and then I'd figure out what job you really want or maybe the two
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120If you're waiting for another offer or you want things to get fast tracked, I would say. I just wanna make you aware, I didn't mention this in our process, but I have been interviewing for other jobs and I've actually received another offer or two other offers. However your company is the one I'm most interested in. So if you feel the same way about me as I do you I would love to receive an offer from you if possible by, Friday afternoon based off my timeline, or if you just want to figure out which offer to take. I just start, I look how much they're for, and I just say, I have two other offers. I've been really pleased with how in demand my skills are and the value that's been seen by these couple employers on how I can contribute. With that, I'm currently looking at x, y, Z to x, y, Z per year. My goal is to work for you. That's where
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120is. I'm passionate about your culture, where your leadership team can take this. I'm here to help make this work, but wanted to let you know where I'm at. There's no right way to say it because it depends on, are you talking to a hiring manager? Are you talking to an entry level recruiter? Are you talking to the business owner? Is it tech, is it accounting? Those are gonna be completely, I would word that completely differently for each one.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120yeah, it's a good place to be. It's stressful a lot of people it's worse than not having any offers, but you always come out ahead in that situation.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah. No, isn't that interesting? we don't like no offers, but when you get multiple ones, it puts us in this weird situation like, am I gonna let these people down? it's Fascinating on that. but I agree with you, it's much better to have three offers than none. and it's interesting, one of the things that I think people learn is you don't wanna promote too much that you're unemployed. Like you don't want to have that open to work thing on LinkedIn.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120No, I agree
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120To be desired and to be pursued, that's a helpful thing when you're looking for a role. and that's what we're trying to get people to right? Is that moment where they have options. Because then they can pick the one that they really want. we named our company callings.ai because we really want to help people, not just get a job, but to find something that they really are passionate about. and honestly what you're describing puts people in a better position to do that. 'Cause hopefully then you're picking the one of the three that you really want and not just. Desperately taking a job, which many of us have to do, right? If we need the income. But the dream is to find that role you really want and get it and get compensated well, and have the corporate culture be great. So when you go there, you enjoy it. one of the things we saw statistically is, on every month there's anywhere between 10 and 13 million people looking for a job in the United States actively. But the interesting statistic for us is 96% of all. Job holders are at least passively looking for their next role. People are always looking to improve themselves. And so that means that, there's a lot of people who are not looking for a job but are open to a job. If they can be found we would love to get there with callings.ai to be a place where people can be found and not just chase and pursue.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120I would assume you're pretty well versed with ai with what you guys do, but just overall is that a fair assumption?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah. We, so our platform is not just ai. Our feeling is that AI is a tool and a very powerful one that's gonna change our lives. But, it is necessary, but not sufficient for a really great platform. We also want it to be. A platform that's usable, that uses basic the SaaS technologies that we're all familiar with, the CRM technologies we're all familiar with, and AI comes in at the places that really matter most, right? Helping you do a better job of searching and finding things that really match you, helping you to. Better your personal brand and articulate yourself better and tell your story better. Helping you to condense a lot of information to something usable. Like for example, an interview, prep report. Helping you to go through large databases of people to find the people that you really should be reaching out to for a role. That's where AI seems to be really powerful. And we got into it, my partner and I, we're old enough to have seen several of these revolutions before. I'm old enough to see, even more than I should admit, but, I was around, my dad had one of the first PCs ever in my hometown. So I'm that old. But, I saw the internet revolution in 95. The. Smartphone revolution, in the two thousands. And, this one's gonna be bigger than all of those, I think. And so what we're trying to do is apply it in ways that really make sense for people. and in our case we've picked, the job hunt process and the steps that are involved in that. And, but we see it applicable in other areas that we're working on, to help people. And, so much of it is just trying to figure the right way to do it, and I think that's listening to people and trying to bring them tools that solve problems that they have.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120So we know the, one of the answers is job seekers people looking for a role or a better role. But overall, who is callings AI for,
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120It is for people that are looking to find their true calling. Now that is job seeking. But it could be more than that. It could be career changing, right? Or adjusting or pursuing. One of the things that we have, it's a beta feature on the app, is we read their resume and then we ask questions. And if you're willing to go through the beta version of our product and answer all those questions, we help generate an ideal job report for you that helps you. We reflect back to people What they're saying and what they're thinking. In talking to a lot of job seekers, we have this impression that we know what we're doing or where we want to go, and that it's clear as lightning I don't think it always is. A lot of times we feel it at some level that we can't articulate, that we want to go in a different direction in our lives, in our careers, and how do we suss that out, through the Socratic methods, through thinking and interacting and bouncing ideas off, and our beta feature does that and, it allows us to help tell their story with them so that they can look at it, they can adjust it, they can, hopefully have some revelations about, oh, that's interesting. The way I answer all those questions leads to this type of response. This ideal job report is different than I thought. And hopefully we can bring that to people to help them understand where they want to go. I think some people really know it, but not everybody does.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120and some people I think are working really hard in roles they think is the right role for them and working hard is good, but I, what I mean is. Kinda exhausting themselves, trying to be good at something that they're not meant to be good at. And it, there's always been career counselors, not coaches, I'm saying counselors, right? A lot of people, or some people work with them in high school, before ai, it's hard to know what you don't know. And it, it seems like what you're doing is the perfect way to. Find that match and maybe you're doing exactly what you should be doing. You just, maybe it's a different industry or maybe just keep at it, but apply for more jobs. But for some people it's like you're trying, you're trying to be a poet, but you should be a songwriter cause that's what you're really good at and that's what comes easy for you. For so many people that's what ends up happening, is I was trying so hard to be good at I was trying to really so hard to be a CPA and I was so drained every day. But it turns out what I'm really good at is, working with people and that's what gave me energy. Or sometimes, a lot of times it's the opposite, right? I don't wanna work with people, it exhausts me. Just gimme a, gimme an Excel spreadsheet and I'll make anything you ask happen. So it sounds like that's a little bit of what you're doing is helping people maybe refine and open their eyes to. What else they can be doing and the huge upside of discovering those things.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Yeah. No, I, you said it very well, and self discovery. will lead to better happiness. My dad used to say this, I love this expression. If you find what you love, you'll never work another day in your life.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Yeah.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120he didn't write that. I think he stole it from Mark Twain or somebody else. but there's a lot of wisdom in that. Just what you said speaks a lot to me. I've had jobs where I'm like, this is the job I always wanted, and, I'm working my butt off. Why am I not happy? And you realize it's because. You look at it from the outside, it seems like what you want, but when you're inside, the experience is totally different. Actually people, when I was at Apple, people used to call me up all the time. Oh my God, I just saw the new Apple event. I really wanna work there. And I used to say to them like, you need to understand when you watch an Apple event you're tasting the delicious sausage. When you work at Apple, you have to grind up pig lips to make that sausage. It's a different experience. it can be enjoyable, but you just need to understand that it's different than that.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120As far as your tools go and the outcomes, what's some feedback or success stories you've received from users?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120We're just coming outta beta so very early. But we've had a number of users who've used our platform to success. and what they're reflecting back is what we'd hope for, right? Which is we help them manage an unwieldy process better. And help them be more productive and ultimately more successful in their pursuit. And, one of our users he, I don't know how he got the statistic, but he said, you made me 65% more effective. I don't think he measured that personally, but it really is managing the whole job hunt in one place. Waking up every day to go to one place for where you're at and then helping all those steps along the way and helping to define them so that you know what that manufacturing process is as you do your job. And then obviously the pieces inside Which are not process oriented. How do you convey yourself, how do you prepare? And, for those, I think people are gonna still use multiple resources, but having a place where you wake up every day and do your work think is a good starting point for a job. Hunt
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120The website is callings.ai. Is that correct?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120callings ai. That's right.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120And we're gonna link to that in this episode of description, but that's also easy to type. I'd encourage listeners I think it's really cool what I've spent time on the site. You can sign up for free and use parts of it for free. And then there's a paid version, which is very reasonable. And what's interesting to me and I'd love, to hear from listeners is how it helps you. I think for people who are a little disorganized, or maybe you're just. Busy with a job or family or a thousand other things seems like a really good way to have everything organized and not have your brain power be wasted on that. Put it towards interviewing or maybe get getting yourself right. Exercising getting in a better head space for your interviews or for your next job? Just that getting everything in one place. I've been there, I've believe me I've applied for plenty of jobs in my life and I've had folders in my Gmail inbox, 20, 23 job
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Right,
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120get a reply, you gotta drag for me. You drag it in there so that you can go reflect back and make sure, I've, with all the goofy business names these days, right?
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Which version of the resume did I send Which job
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120which that, so go
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matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120it out. And that, it seems like that's just scratching the surface of the other tools that you offer, but organization is what does Jocko willing say that I think is really discipline equals freedom, I think and organization
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120I like that.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Which I, I'm a big fan of. I don't wake up at 4:00 AM like he does, but I listen to the cool stuff that he says, but before we close up here. You've learned a lot and you're the, I don't know what you say, the starting line or the front lines of technology, AI and the job search and careers, which is it's revolutionary and it's also scary. So with everything that you've learned and have made available for job seekers, I'm wondering if you have any words of wisdom or motivation for our listeners.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120I think the main thing that I would convey, especially about AI is. It's just another tool. It's a very powerful tool and it's gonna be a very disruptive tool in how our society works, how business works and more. But those that have succeeded and thrived, adopt the new tools quickly and learn how to use them and build their. mentality in their lives around what the new tools can do to help them be more successful. And so I encourage your listeners, and I'm sure that they're doing this, is don't run away from it.
matthew_1_02-14-2025_101120Yeah.
squadcaster-dj46_1_02-14-2025_081120Lean into it. Learn how, go. If you haven't played around with it, go to chat GBT or Clog or one of these other tools. Play around, learn it. Understand, because you'll demystify it in your mind and then you can use it to best effect And. It will make you more productive and it will not rob you of, your unique essence. It could help amplify it if you know how to use it, right..
squadcaster-dj46_2_02-14-2025_085020so I really appreciate you having me on. One of the things I wanted to offer to your listeners is they're welcome to come to the platform and try it. We will give 'em the first month for free. By the way, searching and tracking or free always for all users, whether they pay us or not. The AI features, it's 29.99 a month, and then we offer discounts for longer commitments. I'll send you that coupon and we love your users to check it out. And there's a blue button on every page of our site called feedback. We read it every day. My, my co-founder and I, so you know, if there are things that you'd like to see, we'll keep working to make it better.
matthew_2_02-14-2025_105020Cool, and we'll put that code future, Matthew will put that code right on top of the link in this episode's description too, so you can see it there. Thank you so much for joining us. Looking forward to having you back. We can talk more about this a couple months from now.