Real Talk with Joe Exotic The Tiger King

Having a candid conversation with Joe about getting out and prison life. This got me thinking about the time I served on this episode!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:32

What's going on, good vibes? It's your boy Sticky Rick here on the Hot Box Podcast. Man, we got a special show for you guys tonight, man. The one and only Joe Exotic, the Tiger King, gonna be calling us here for a few minutes. He'll be calling us from the Fort Worth Federal Prison. And I do believe that the phone call is only gonna be for like 10 minutes. So I'm gonna try and do my best not to say a whole lot, you know, because I want to let Joe, you know, get in what he can get in and stuff like that, you know. Even though I do want to talk to him, you know, a lot, but we'll get into that in later podcasts and everything, you know. But it's just cool to have him on the show, you know. Oh, excuse me, by the way, too. I got you know, I got sinuses going on, seasons are changing. You know, here in freaking Ohio, it's always hot cold, hot cold, hot cold, you know, every other day and shit. So it just fucking plays hell on your sinuses. So, you know, excuse that. But man, I'm excited about I mean, this is probably the biggest name we've talked to so far, isn't it?

unknown 1:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Joe. Yeah. And it's cool. I mean, I've talked to him on the phone and you know, and but just having him here on my show, you know, it's you know, it's it's kind of I mean, it really is a humbling experience and stuff, you know. And it's cool because, you know, he's actually, you know, you know, coming on and chop it up with this man, you know, and uh I truly appreciate that shit, you know. And uh I don't know, it's it's it's just kind of a it's it's a cool looking thing for the podcast, man. I'm kind of cheesing over here, you know. I mean, but we got a lot of great interviews coming up still, you know, and I'm excited if you're gonna ask Joe Exotic a tiger the Tiger King a question, what would it be? You not sure? Okay. I got my first question lined up, and I can't wait to, you know, talk to him about it, you know. And but Joe has led an interesting life, you know, and he'll be calling here in just a minute. But you know, one thing he's country, you know, I'm country too, you know, and country people at heart are always good people, you know. I've always known that, and you see it too. You don't see a lot of people, you know, in the country going hungry, you know, you're gonna look out for your people. And I believe Joe's probably the same way, you know, and uh the relationship that he had with his brother, same way I had with my brother, it's just opposite, you know. You know, my little brother was gay, you know, I'm straight, you know, I'm the older brother, he's the younger brother, it's just the opposite for Joe and his brother and stuff, and he lost his brother too, but they both started, you know, shit together, just like me and my little brother did. So, you know, it's cool to, you know, if you have a brother and stuff, you love your brother, you lost your brother, so you know you miss your brother and stuff. So it's it's always good to have that kind of kinship with somebody and that rapport with somebody, you know. And I think that's you know, when I started talking to Joe's people, and they said, Yeah, just you know, give me Joe's email address, you know, and I was talking to him about that and stuff, you know. So uh I think maybe that's one reason why too. He's wanted to holler at us and shit, you know, because you know, maybe brother's still looking out for me, you know. And man, this would have been his fucking shit right here, man, if he would have been here tonight, man. And you know, man, bro, this one's for you tonight, you know. He's just sat there and watch this shit, you know. And man, you know, I wish you could be here doing it with me tonight. But I got some of the good vibes tribe here with me tonight, so you know, I'm doing pretty good. Got a cold drink in my hand, got a joint here. I'm picturing a smoke. Just waiting for Joe to pick up the horn and give us a call right quick. But in the meantime, excuse me, I just took a drink in my drink. I'm gonna go ahead and spark a joint. You know how long it took me to fucking realize that you know I could pull that puppin shit out the bottom of this motherfucker instead of actually going to the top? Uh-uh. I always rip them out and do everything I own. I always fucking pulled him out the damn top, dude, and it took me fucking shit. I smoke weed. What can you say? So while we're waiting for Joe to call, guys, I'm sure you're probably familiar with, you know, the Tiger King saga, you know. Your thoughts on Carol Baskins if she killed her husband and beat him, beat him to the tiger. I think so. I think so too. Dude just ups and disappears. You know, never contacts none of his family again. He's got money and all that kind of stuff, and just ups and disappears for no reason. It's just it's real fishy to me. But oh shit. Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Hey Joe, what's going on?

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Not much, what do you know?

SPEAKER_01 5:54

Oh, not much, man. Just kicking it here, man. Sticky Rick in the Hot Box Podcast, man. We're so glad to have you here tonight with us, brother.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

Well, I appreciate you giving me a giving me a voice.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Man, hell yeah. But uh, Joe, as I sent you in that email, you know, this podcast, I wanted this podcast to focus on, you know, getting you out of where you're at, you know, because we all know the Tiger King saga, most of us, you know. And, you know, we'll we'll get to that in later podcasts, but I just want to use this opportunity to help you get your voice out there so you can get yourself out of there, brother.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

Good. Well, I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

No problem, man.

SPEAKER_00 6:29

Tell us, man, how are things proceeding right now?

SPEAKER_02 6:32

Well, everything's kind of on the hole. Waiting on the government.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

Yeah, yeah, that yeah, you said it right there, the government itself.

SPEAKER_02 6:55

So that could take fucking up to a year to hear back.

unknown 7:04

You know, I've got my seat file at the White House.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Trump's lawyer paid check down. You know, I've got fucking Joe Rogan and Dana White. Couple couple congressmen all out there screaming, you know, let me out. I don't know what it I don't know. I'm starting to think that Carol gave him a couple million bucks to keep me in here.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Well, you know, she does live in fucking Florida, don't she?

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah, I that yeah. You know, hey man, why other things have happened? You know?

SPEAKER_02 7:40

Shit, man. After I sit here and watch TV and how many people donate millions and get out a week later, yeah, anything's possible.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

Well, what can we do, Joe, to help you out?

SPEAKER_02 7:54

You know, uh, I used to think it was about, you know, numbers. You know, I gotta get people to screen and free to exotic things. Shit, man. You know, I really used to look at Trump because he's doing some crazy shit right now.

unknown 8:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

He was glad to be dead. Yeah, I died. Like I'm like that you're glad somebody's dead.

SPEAKER_01 8:29

Yeah, I yeah, I do agree with that, you know, because I I wouldn't even say that shit about Carol Baskin if she died. Yeah, they definitely hold that shit against you, wouldn't they?

SPEAKER_02 8:40

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But you know, uh I just need more and more people out there, you know, every time the White House or Don Jr. or Donald Trump or Congressperson out there, you know, somebody's gonna listen one of these days. And just keep putting hashtag free Joe Exotic, you know?

SPEAKER_01 9:04

We got you, brother.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

You know, I got that website, Martin JoeExotic.com. Uh out there. Uh just posted, I think. Something like 37,000 people signed it. You would think that would show some strength, but so far no luck.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Hmm. Well, Joe, I'll tell you what, buddy, we'll do our best here to to push that narrative for you here, you know. And in fact, we're gonna be going to some festivals this year and podcasting and everything. And some are gonna be some pretty big festivals. And I would probably like to, you know, if it's cool with you, line up and actually do a show while I'm at this festival so people can actually hear you live, you know. I mean, because these but you know, these festivals have thousands of people there, you know, and actually, you know, hear you, you know, because they'll they'll be around. So just to hear you live and talk, you know, and get your word out, you know, because I mean, hell man, you know, I did I did five years in prison myself, you know, in Mississippi Department of Corrections, you know, and one thing I can tell you, man, is that shit is a very humbling experience, you know.

unknown 10:16

You were in state prison, right?

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yeah, yeah. Oh fuck yeah. I mean, I tell you what, one thing that was big when I was in prison was spice, man. And we smoked a lot of spice. And this was back this was back probably 20 years ago, you know, uh when I was in prison. But yeah, it it's it's it's bad, you know. You don't send and you know what's funny is is they send drug offenders to prison, you know, uh like that's gonna help with their drug addiction, and it it does nothing for 'em.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

There's more fucking drugs in here than I've ever seen out in the world. Uh it's it's crazy. And it just does nothing to solve nothing.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

And to be honest with you, it's the fucking COs bringing it in, man.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Well, you know, and and you know, federal prison is the only place you can get caught with methamphetamines or or fentanyl or heroin or making moonshine. And it's perfectly legal. You don't get a new case.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

That is fucking wild. I did not know that.

SPEAKER_02 11:56

Oh god, man. They bust them every day with two to three ounces in here.

SPEAKER_00 12:03

So, Joe, how long have you been down now?

SPEAKER_02 12:10

Eight years.

SPEAKER_00 12:10

Eight years? How many more are you looking at at this moment? How many more are you looking at at this moment?

unknown 12:18

Four.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Four?

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Yeah, they got my outdate to go to a halfway house October the first of twenty thirty.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Well, hell yeah. I thought I thought you were looking at a little bit more time. That's that's not bad itself, but I know you're ready to get the fuck out of there.

unknown 12:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

Great job. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Like I said, I did five years myself, and and it it it'll change your point of view, especially if, you know, you know, the timing that I did, you know, it it actually, you know, made me a better person. You know, some people it it does the opposite to, you know, some people come out worse, you know, but it made me a better person, you know. And I can imagine, you know, and I tell people this all the time too, Joe, that, you know, a lot of people have said, you know, negative things about you, but I also told them then too, you know, look, when people are under the influence of drugs, they're not doing what they normally would do. Especially if, you know, they're in really a high state of attic active addiction, you know. So you cannot hold that against them, you know, because people do shit they normally wouldn't do, you know, if they weren't on substance like that.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

Dude, I see it ruined so many people in, especially spice. It's you know, they bring it in on paper in here, it's called douche, you know. And god damn, I see so many people have to go, you know, get smashed out and go to the shoe because of that shit. Man. Oh, it's it's it's sad. What a sad, what a sad system we have.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

It is. Well, you know, especially, you know, of course, we always call the federal prison, we call that, you know, club fed. You know, if you did if you did state time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 14:12

You know, you know what I call it.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

What what do you call it?

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Uh junior c junior college for wannabe crackheads. Yeah, you exactly that's exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Or or I I used to call it I used to call it Crash Test Dummy U. It's uh Crash Test Dummy University.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

If you're not a crackhead when you come here, you're gonna pick one when you leave.

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Hey man, that's terrible. And that uh that does speak paul volumes about, you know, the way our prison system is on the state level and in the federal in the federal level. In fact, the year after I was released from prison, the commissioner of prisons there in Mississippi went to jail for uh he was using the canteen funds fraudulently in the prison system or some bullshit like that. But yeah, he lost his job and everything, man.

SPEAKER_02 15:03

You know, they gotta be doing that here because this commissary here has got to take in a half a million dollars a month. And they claim they don't have any money for, you know, because in federal prison, that's supposed to be trust fund money for for to buy inmates stuff for programs and stuff like that. They never have no money to do anything. This place has fallen down around them. Oh, it's insane, man. It's insane. You know, yeah. I want to get out of here and I want President Trump to appoint me marketing director for the federal prison system.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Well, there need there needs to be a change. I mean, I understand that it needs to be hard, but also though, too, you know, yeah, you shouldn't have shit like falling down around you.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

You know, that's you know the crazy thing is is okay, I I mean, and I'm a businessman, so I sat with a calculator and I had this shit up. Just illegal tobacco.$210 million a year goes through you. Okay. Why why are they not just selling e-cigarettes on the commissary and and making money? Wait, why? Because because the guards are making too much on the illegal side.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I guess they haven't got those body scanners in there to see if people are carries carrying stuff in on them, huh?

SPEAKER_02 16:36

They come in here with fucking hundred-pound backpacks to work eight hours.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

He's not lying. I've seen it in the state.

SPEAKER_02 16:45

Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. But you know, what what's it gonna take to fix it? Nothing. Because nobody gives a fuck.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Yeah. Well, and you know, Joe, when I was in the state prisons, one thing that made it bad with that was it made the prison gangs a lot worse with all that contraband coming in. You know.

unknown 17:07

And does it does that?

SPEAKER_01 17:09

It yeah, are you having the same problem there too?

unknown 17:12

Oh yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah, it's that's horrible. Yeah. Yeah, I was one place that I was at, one of the guards was actually affiliated with one of the prison gangs that was there, and that was actually bringing contraband into one of the inmates there. You know, saw it happen right in front of me. And he just it just blows your fucking mind, man.

SPEAKER_02 17:34

Yeah, they have drones that drop and shit in here too.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

No drones?

SPEAKER_02 17:40

Yeah. You know, you know how much an ounce of meth goes for in here?

SPEAKER_01 17:45

How much?

SPEAKER_02 17:46

$14,000. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Well, it sounds like, you know, maybe that's why they have prisons now. That's the new places to sell dope at. You know, hell, you got all you people buying drugs right there in prisons, you know.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 18:05

That is wild. That is wild. Well, Joe Man, you know, we want the best for you, buddy. You know, we you know, me and my wife talk about you all the time and stuff, you know. She she loves and adores you, you know. In fact, she's sitting right here next to me and stuff, you know, and uh she'd like to say hi to you right quick if that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 18:25

Yeah. Hey. Hey, sweetie. How you doing?

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Good. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Uh hanging in there.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

I wish I could say I would have a better spirit. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

You know, I believe in you. I I know you can get out of there. There has to be a way.

SPEAKER_02 18:46

This has been this has been the hardest experience. You can never put anybody through. You know, both of my parents have died since I've been in here. That's just that's crazy. Oh. Uh that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Joe, let me Joe, let me ask you a question right quick. Do you have a platform where your voice can be heard constantly?

SPEAKER_02 19:08

I mean, I I mean, I have Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, uh, Rumble. I mean, I'm I'm out there.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Man. Well, Joe, I tell you what, buddy, you're welcome on the show anytime you want to, man.

SPEAKER_02 19:27

And I'll just appreciate it. Next time, next time just send a message and I'll call you back again.

SPEAKER_01 19:33

Okay. Alright? Alright, I'll sure do that, Joe.

SPEAKER_02 19:37

All right.

unknown 19:37

Take care. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Well, hey, uh, you gotta go?

unknown 19:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Okay, buddy. Well, take care of yourself, Joe. We love you, buddy.

unknown 19:44

Okay, love you too.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

Alright, bye, bud. Well, everybody, that was the Tiger King Joe Exotic here on the Hotbox Podcast. And yeah, that was pretty cool. That was a different conversation than I was expecting to have, but that's okay, you know. That's cool. He wants to chop it up with us again and everything, you know. But yeah, man, I totally got what he was saying about fucking jails and stuff, man. It's you know, but the bad bad thing is is you send broken people to places that are broken. You know, and so what do you expect them to get in return when they get out, you know? And in fact, when I went into prison, there's this guy called they called him the helicopter man. He was kind of the preacher. You know, he was the one that went around and gave everybody the bad news when, you know, they had family member pass away and stuff, you know. But yeah, he would he'd come in there and meet each new each new group of people who are coming to the prison. First thing he said was was, you know, 90% of you are gonna be back in here. He said, This place is a robot. It's meant for you to return. You know, you're in the system now. You know if you ain't if you're not strong, you're gonna be back. And be back again and again. And dude wasn't wrong, you know, you get you get in there and you start meeting people in prison and shit. Yeah. So many repeat offenders, so many people have been down for so long and stuff, but it's just it's like, man, you know, one trip was enough for me, you know. I like eating steak, you know. I like sleeping next to a woman, you know. I mean but yeah, man, I feel bad for him. I could hear in his voice that it's fucking I was talking about that, you know, being humbled, and you could hear that, you know, he's you can tell, yeah. It'll do it to you. I I you know, I always thought federal prisons were nice. I always heard they were nice. You, you know, you got to work and you got to make a little bit of money, you ain't better, you got to play PlayStations and shit and all that kind of stuff, but man, if it's but yeah, but man. That was weird. That wasn't the conversation I was expecting, you know. And I think maybe because he uh he you know he's really down and shit, you know, so fuck. Yeah, man. We'll get him, we'll get his voice out there and shit. I'll get him on the show and hell, he can just co-host a show with me and shit. We just sit here and fucking do that and stuff, you know. But that's fucking killer, dude. You know, it sucks to be in prison, but it's cool to talk to Joe. But sometimes lessons learned come hard. You know, and sometimes they take a minute, you know. You never know what God has in store for you, you know, and sometimes what you think is a burden at the moment years down the line will be the blessing that you never. When he was there, you know. And shit, I've experienced that in my life. You know, and so maybe this is one thing, Joe, that's look, you know, that's what he's looking at right now. That, yeah, he's been down X amount of years, he's got X amount of years to go, but you know, maybe there's something in those years that he still, you know, hasn't gotten down yet. And you know what's gonna happen. You know, we all gotta pay the piper when we play the game. You know, and yeah, like I said, even though we're under the inputs of drugs when we do things, that doesn't mean we're not at fault for not doing them. You know, we still did them, so you still have to pay the consequences for them. That's just that's just the way the game is played. But but sometimes that's also the blessing right there. You know, I can't tell you how many lives I've seen just saved just because they've had altercations with the police. You know. A lot of people would probably be dead if they never would have had interactions with law enforcement, you know. So, you know, take it for what it is, you know. Just when the police ask you to do something, just fucking do it. Don't be a fucking moron and be like, no, I'm gonna fuck it. That makes me want to kick you in the fucking nuts, you know. Just fucking do what the cop says, you know. Be smart. You're making other human beings look stupid when you do shit like that. I see it too much. This has got to stop, people. You know, we're setting bad examples for our kids, you know. But good podcast tonight. I enjoyed it. But yeah, still, I don't know, maybe it kind of made me think about my hearing the despair in Joe's voice, kind of made me think about my time. You know, just kind of made me going, damn. I kind of feel what he's saying. I I lived that life for a minute, you know. But where I'm at today compared to where I was at, having a million years would I thought I would have been sitting here talking to somebody like Joe. So yeah, it's I'm glad I went through what I went through because I wouldn't be here today. A lot of people say, is it a lesson or is it a blessing? Well, actually, it's the same fucking thing if you think about it. I was talking to somebody today about that lessons and you know, blessings and lessons, you know, and and we were talking about, you know, dreams. Oh, in fact, it was with Cassie on the last podcast, you know. Blessings are what they are, are blessings. Dreams, you gotta work at dreams, you know, blessings fall into your lap. Dreams you gotta work at. A lot of people get dreams and blessings, you know, fucked up. It's not the same thing. You know, you gotta work towards something that you want. That's why they call it a dream. A lot of people dream, but they think it should be a blessing. No, that's not the case. You know, a blessing is winning the lottery or something like that. You know, if you want to be a fodder pilot, you gotta go to school for it. It's just not gonna fucking happen. You know, you're not gonna wake up and be Tom Cruise and Maverick and Top Gun. You know, that shit just don't happen. You know. Gotta get out there and work for your dreams. That's what this is. This is this is a work in progress right here. Sorry, I've had a joint. You know how we do it. Yeah. My folks. You heard about that prison life a little bit tonight, and that's exactly how it is when you want to do this dumb shit with altercations with the police, you know. Dealing with a police officer and dealing with about a hundred inmates is two different things. And, you know, you maybe think you're Johnny badass dealing with the law, and trust me, you know, even though it can end ugly, they still gotta handle you with the limits of the law and stuff, you know. Unless you use deadly force towards them, or they're gonna have to use deadly force towards you. But when you get in prison, they don't make a fuck. Who you are, what you did, when that bagin jumps off, you're just gonna have to fucking catch the wave when it fucking comes through. So if you ain't built for that, you ain't built for that prison life, you know. Don't do that shit. If you can't fight, don't do that shit. Spartan school. And one thing I didn't know about, and I'll talk about it a little bit. One thing I didn't know about prisons, or or what should I say? My view, gangs, prison gangs and stuff, I always thought to myself, oh, but I went to fucking prison. I ain't gonna need a fucking gang, I can bite and all this shit, you know. My fucking perspective got changed when I went to fucking prison. You know, I realized real quick that, you know, it's kind of like there's a school of fish, and there's a shark, you know, but there's just one little fish out there. You know, if you're not in that fucking school, that fucking shark's gonna get you. And kind of like how prison is and shit, you know. First time I went to prison, got in there, they give you your bob barkers, your white tennis shoes, you know, jumpsuit and all that kind of shit. You get in there and everybody wants your white, they want your white t-shirts, your white boxers, and shit like that, you know. If you're not affiliated, and they know right before you get through the door if you're affiliated or not. And yeah, you better be ready to go. And it took me probably about a year and a half before I ever got affiliated. And and did a lot of fighting and shit, you know, and the fuck, man, after a while you get fucking burnt out on it and stuff, you know. And but this one dude, I was at a satellite in McGee, Mississippi. Won't tell you who the affiliation is or anything, but I'll I'll tell you a little backstory about him and everything, you know. But he was a Marine. I'd probably say he was younger than me at the time, but you know, he's big dude, big kid, you know, good country boy. You know, in fact, he got he got he got affiliated while he was in the Marines. And and it wasn't it wasn't no like white supremacy group or anything. I'll just put that out there. I don't want people thinking, oh, you're not saying it because you know I wasn't doing one of those things. I'm just not gonna talk about what, you know, gang or anything because I don't, you know, that's not me, you know. And I'll tell you a funny story about what they what they call stuff that they give you to read about who they are and what they stand up for. They really do stand up. Their literature reads like, you know, you're supposed to do good things, you're supposed to be pillars of a community and stuff, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all fucking good shit and stuff, you know. And, you know, I dig that, you know. And I took that stuff to heart, you know. And I think what what so much that I put away, I put away what life is in prison being is with a part of that affiliation. Because I'm not having to live that prison life. I'm supposed to be living the life that I read about in, you know, but I'm not affiliated with the gang no more, but I dug what they said, you know, what you're supposed to be in life, you know, and but the dude, he's a marine, so we called him Marine, you know. Good dude. He came up to me and you know, chopping up with me, you know, telling me about himself, and you know, and I I've seen these guys. These the group that they were, they were they were a small affiliation there in in the prison system, but they never backed down from anybody. They, you know, it didn't matter, you know, somebody said they'd all, you know, okay, we're gonna bang too, you know, and I respected that. You know, I mean, that you didn't back down just because somebody bigger than you come up and says, hey, you should freaking bow, you know, and I I dig that shit because I'm a firm believer, you know, I'd rather die on my feet than fucking live on my knees, you know. And I I dig that shit. And he started talking to me and stuff, you know, and normally when you join an affiliation like that, you know, it you have to usually go through something physical and stuff like that. And the guy said, Man, I've seen you fight, I've seen you fight every day. I don't I don't need to put you up against nobody. I don't need to see you see you do that. I'm just gonna bless you in because I know you got heart, you know, that's why I'm talking to you, you know. And he says, Man, you know, and I understand because I've heard you speak on how you feel about games and stuff, and and and to be honest with you, dude, you know, he said there's safety in numbers, you know. And a lot of times, man, you know, shit doesn't jump up all the time, you know. So, I mean, you know, you can come here and fucking be a part of something, dude, and just have somebody fucking watch your back, man, you know, and at that time, you know, one thing that sucked about me being in prison, nobody was putting money on my books and shit, you know. I've never really had much of a family like that, you know. And when I was there at the uh satellite McGee, we was able to go out and work actually in the community and stuff like that, put the city and stuff. I wrote a box truck and we'd go around collecting boxes from the businesses and shit, bring them back to the, you know, place that they had to the city and compact the boxes and shit like that. Had some cool people around that we were able to actually, you know, like Joe talked about pure tobacco and stuff, you know. So I found the awesome way about sneaking it in, you know. I would take the tobacco, put it in the box press, put it in between some saran wrap, and just freaking platinum the shit out of it. I'd cut a hole, you know, like a slice of my shoe and just push it right there. Man, I'd get like a freaking ounce of tobacco into the fucking satellite there and stuff, you know. And but, you know, you gotta hustle to make freaking money and stuff while you're in there, you know. You need deodorant and shit. You know, they don't give you no deodorant in prison. They just give you soap, and you know, people don't like it if you get to stinking, you know. So kids don't go to prison. Prison system down in Mississippi, the majority of the COs are female. When I when I say that, I mean the majority of them. You know, I mean you may not, you know, they had zones, hundred-man zones, you know, it was like a long hallway, and you had two pods at each end, you know, each hundred-man zones and stuff. You may not have a male guard working in the in any of those in that building at all, you know. And so that's one way a lot of the contraband and shit was getting in because of the females, because all these dudes going up and sweet talking these chicks, and you know, and to be honest with you, a lot of these women, you know, being a CO, a prison CO is not a favorable job, you know, so some of these women weren't the best looking women, but you get these smooth talkers coming up there and they just charm the shit, and yeah, they would take them out of the zone and have sex with them and stuff, you know, and boom. Then they got bringing bringing them in stuff, you know, and and the fucking prison was fucking wild, man. It was crazy. I ain't trying to sound like a bummer or anything, I'm just talking about experience and stuff, you know. But yeah, I understand what Joe's going through, man. I mean, that's just no joke. But you live and you learn, you know. I'll tell you a funny story. I was talking with this one guy, he was going, man, I can't wait to get out of prison and do me a big old shot of dope. I'm like, man, what you in here for? Dope. I'm like, you'll be back, won't you? I just, you know, dude, been down a couple years, and just can't wait to get out and do dope. And it's just like, man, that's a fucking and really back then there wasn't enough dope coming into the prison system like that to really make you feel like you just needed to do a shot of dope once you get out of prison. So I don't get it. Never good. Never a good scene, you know. Prison was the worst and best thing to happen to me, you know. I guess some of us are hardheaded like that, you know, that we need something like that, you know. But um we're gonna get out of here. Love you guys.