For those who can't see the beauty of everything

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

Thank you once again for being here. Rather than as we always do, we could be thrill seeking, we could be outside starting fights just to get a thrill out of it. We could be gossiping. We could be glued to our phones, watching two people argue, we could be expecting sacrifices from our so-called loved ones so that they may prove their love to us so that we can feel important and special and cared for when that kind of disposition, that expectation of sacrifice and love is actually hate. Because love does not ask for sacrifice, love does not ask for proof, love does not judge instead of doing any of that. We are here today discussing timeless and universal ideas that will completely change how we see the world and for the first time ever and truly allow us to see the amazing beauty and goodness in this world and in our life and experience. We call these meetings kinship because we can't help but notice that the closest mutuality, the deepest commonality that two people can have is a mutuality based on ideas, and not a mutuality based on biology, who our family is, or biography, who our friends are, whom we went to school with and have long memories with. We find that even if someone is our father, our mother, our brother, our sister, or our longest friend, that if we don't have those fundamental ideas, beliefs in common, we don't really feel like we are family or like we're friends. We don't feel that kinship. And when I say ideas, I don't mean the idea of uh let's go watch a movie. I mean idea as justice is an idea, love is an idea, truth is an idea, a concept, right? And so those who give themselves to these ideas, those who have a belief in them, a dedication to them, those people among themselves feel the deepest mutuality, the deepest kinship. And we can't help but notice this because as you can see, it, or uh if you're only listening, the books behind me, the authors of which I call friends. How can I do that? I've never, most of them I've never met. Many of them lived thousands of years ago. So how can I call someone a friend who lived thousands of years ago, whom I will never meet, and who has never even known about me? It's because I lead a, I read a single line, even that is enough. And I see, uh-huh, there is that commonality, there is that mutuality in ideas that we both share, have shared, will share forever. And so I call that a friend, I call that a kin. And again, vice versa, even when our family and our friends don't even feel like kin to us, because we realize, hmm, we don't really have these fundamental beliefs in common. Vice versa, though, when we meet a total stranger and we hear that one word sometimes that indicates to us, ah, this person believes in something greater than oneself, believes in something timeless, perhaps, and something universal, as far as I can tell. And that's the highest, most beautiful thing I can even think of, let alone believe in. And so that we connect on immediately, right? We can't help but notice this, as I say. And so that's why these meetings are called kinship, because everyone here is here assembled around the same fundamental few sets of ideas, the beliefs around them. And no one here is because, oh, this is my family, I'm genetically related to these people, or I've known these people for 10 years or all my life. No, no one here, as far as we know. And no one's paid to be here, certainly. And so, what are why are we here? What is the fact that we are here proof of? What is it proof of? It is this idea of kinship, this understanding, this seeing, this vision of certain things in each other. Also a reminder as I now open up the requests to speak, fear is the tool and companion and and and life force of the false self, the not you, the the identities, the ego, whatever you want to call it. It's all the same. And it and it's constantly looking to delay your vision of peace. Because this false self can only exist when there's something to fight for or to fight against. It cannot be at rest. It does not know how to be at rest. Rest, peace, stillness is not its domain. It cannot survive there. And so it's constantly looking for unrest, it's constantly looking to keep its problems and in fact to um make them even more elaborate, more problematic, so that there's something to say, oh, I'm striving for this, or I'm being kept down, or I'm being prevented, the whole world's against me, even the closest people to me seem to be against me. It loves problems, it loves getting a thrill from having problems, it's problems getting worse, no one helping it. It's not true. It's not true. If you come here with whatever you have, a question, a confusion, an experience you want to share, a disagreement, all is welcome. And you will see as soon as you air it, it will be taken away from you. And you will be glad that you did it. I can guarantee you that much. We have no idea what's to come or what's going to happen or how it's gonna happen, but I can tell you this much. You will be beyond glad that you did it. Despite fear telling you no, despite so-called nervousness saying maybe next week. Okay, this is making sense to me, but but not today. Just not today. Next week, or you know, there's always the next week. And uh that's true, there is, right? As far as we know. There is and there isn't, right? And so I want you to see this um the relaxed tension or tense relaxation that we need to have about this stuff. We need to do it as soon as possible, but also realizing that time is just another tool used by fear to say, to put pressure on something and to make the fear grow higher, right? So it's a it's a two-sided thing. But I'm telling you that relaxed tension, that tense relaxation, whatever you want to call it, is very much so possible. And in fact, you will see it is natural to you. So at the same time, in the same day, in the same moment, you can challenge yourself, you can be uncomfortable, but perfectly at rest as well. Knowing what it is that is at unrest and knowing what it is that is at ease inside of you, and that the two cannot touch each other, and that they that both can exist and it's not a problem. And so I can only tell you there are people who come here week after week or have for many weeks, and they're still not believing in truth, they're still not trusting in truth, but they still think that truth can harm them, but truth has never harmed you. It has never harmed you. Some of the most painful experiences, so-called, you went through because of truth, it seems, but what was really hurting, what was really offended was not you, it was something that is not you that you were identifying with. And truth showed it to you, and it maybe was a painful breakup, but you would have wished nothing more for yourself than that actually happening. Imagine still walking around with those false beliefs that you let go of recently or a long time ago. Imagine still having those. Truth took that from you. At the time you didn't want that, at the time it seemed painful. At the time, it seemed like truth is hurting me, it's offending me. But in reality, it was it was everything. And so that being said, we'll invite our first speaker.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Again, I I'm very grateful that I'm here yet again, another week. I wanted to talk about whether or not it's necessary to punish anything. I don't know, I've been thinking about justice and thinking about what's right and what's wrong. I have a feeling that maybe the misguided does not need to be guided. Maybe these wrong things aren't actually wrong because I'm my true self, right? Um, we were talking about my true self the past couple of weeks, and I've realized that my true self is actually not harmed or anyone's well to my belief. So why would why would we have a need to punish, to fix, to realign or you know, readjust something, someone, so that they are on the right course, on the right path, whatever that is. Um I've just been thinking, and I feel like maybe it's not necessary. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm not saying punishing um what you deem is a wrongdoing is wrong, but I feel like it's not necessary. Um yeah, that's that's my thought.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yes, and and thank you for sharing that. And of course, uh, by the way, first thing, welcome here again. As many times as as you uh feel welcomed here, you all are welcomed here. And uh of course, with i ideas, questions, ponderings as you are presenting. I mean, you are doing us the greatest service. And this, what you are starting to see, what you're starting to recognize, that which has always been there, right? As you are saying these things, uh, look, I don't need to know you personally. I already know the most important things, the most fundamental things about you. I know, for example, that as you're saying these things, you are also realizing that this has always been the case. So it is not so much that you are forming uh a vision, that you are gathering wisdom and you're finally getting somewhere. It's that you are seeing more of what's happening. And you are gaining more of a vision of what has always been there, right? This is not something that it feels like you're you're learning or changing or making. No, you are recognizing something that was always the case. Because when you are saying, I am now starting to think that you know ignorance, misguidedness cannot actually hurt me, the true self. This is a major, major realization, and I don't know how many people are gonna connect with it here now or listening later, because this is something that needs to grow. This is something that everyone already knows, but it's not being trusted maybe yet. And I think you are trusting it now because tell anyone else, anyone else randomly selected, that ignorance, misguidedness, wrongdoing cannot actually hurt them. You will get uh tons of abuse, right? And when I say abuse, I mean uh from their end it is intended to be abuse, and of course, you won't take it that way because you know what's what. But you will immediately hear about starving children, people dying in war, and um all kinds of injustices going on directly or indirectly in the world, and they will ask you, how is this not harming me? How is this ignorance, this wrongdoing not harming me? And this is once again the most fundamental discrimination that we need to make in our vision. It is the discrimination, the the difference between the physical and the non-physical. Of course, there is such a thing as damage, as pain, as wrongdoing. And these can affect physical things. And because all of us have, and many of us will always, uh, as it seems, identify with the physical, with the body, with the possessions, with the past, with the career, uh, with the opinions of others. If we identify with that which can be harmed physically, then of course we are being harmed. Of course. And we are still gonna call that I. I am being harmed. And the person that is out there knowing what the true self truly is, is also gonna say, I am not harmed. They're both gonna be saying I. And so it's gonna look like a contradiction. It's gonna look like this person believes a completely different thing than this other person. No, actually, they're going past each other. They are not at all crashing, right? Because you're in different tracks. You cannot collide. And at some point in our lives, we need to switch from the physical to the non-physical, in terms of our understanding of the self, in terms of true justice. What is justice truly? Is justice the court system's crime, the physical realm? Or is justice above and beyond that and the courts and the justice system and the and the criminal laws are that which looks at higher justice, capital J justice, and tries to model itself after that and tries to do its best according to that, but of course, in many ways, will always fail because this is a human physical institution. It is not the concept freed of all physicality and of all hindrances and of all hands that are trying to get to it. It is untouchable. So when justice is not properly implemented in the courts of law, capital J justice, the concept that from which all of this earthly understanding of justice, profane understanding of justice comes from, that is not harmed when down here in the courts a lawyer is not arguing properly or a judge is corrupt, or this or that. That is not touched. Nothing happens to that justice. I always say we cannot polish or tarnish justice, capital J justice, for better or for worse. We cannot touch it, we cannot improve it or degrade it. It's not possible in any way whatsoever. And so this is the difference, and it's the same with the self, the two selves, right? There's the there's the physical self, my body, my house, my career, my reputation, my legacy, my this and all that. All these things that other people are able to touch and harm or or do good, right? They can give you a promotion, they can speak well about you, they can help you, they can do all these things, or they can take it away fairly or unfairly. But then there's the capital S self up here, that that self which this lower earthly, material, physical self takes its being from. At the end of the day, and in the beginning of the day, when we first wake up, for example, before the memory even has kicked in of this is my room, this is my bed, this is this is where I sleep, this is where I live, when even before that, before that even has kicked in, we are just existing, we are just being. But that too takes its being somewhere, that consciousness, that that awareness, that existence. We did not make ourselves, we did not invent ourselves. And so, but just to satisfy those people who are uh still seeing this as an obstacle, right? Seeing this as a totally unacceptable thing to say. The true self cannot be harmed. Oh, okay, so let's let every murderer, every criminal, every liar, every every person who is disadvantaging people through their official positions or or whatever they're doing, every wrongdoing that they're doing, let's just let them go free because they can't hurt us anyway, right? Here again, it is a confusion of the two realms. That justice, once again, is a different justice. It is there is a knowing in the self that this cannot harm the true self. And then there is also a knowing of the physical realm in which we must go to court, in which we must report wrongdoing, in which, if we are in the position, of course we're gonna go ahead and do exactly what we can. Nothing changes. This does not change anything about responsibility. If the thief has stolen, if the murderer has murdered, if uh, I mean, we don't even have to go that far. In our friend group, someone is uh simply disadvantaging someone. We do something about that. It changes nothing. Um, if if the justice system says the sentence for this is 10 years in prison, it's still 10 years in prison. We are not going above towards the judge and saying, but no one can harm another. Ignorance, wrongdoing cannot harm the self, so let them go. No, because this is that judge again. We're not talking to the higher judge, we're talking about the judge here on earth. And so why would I say that which I would say to the higher judge, so to speak, if there was one, and go and say that to the lower judge? That again is a confusion. No, 10 years, 10 years. It's the same act, the intention is different. What is different about the intention? One intention has peace and operates out of peace and operates with the clarity of reason rather than the blindness of rage. Because if someone can truly harm me, if someone can truly touch me, and they can do so even they don't have the even though they don't have the right to or permission to, or or what do they think they're doing? But they can take anything away from me, they can harm me, they can just do that. And no one per potentially can stop them. Of course, if I believe this, then I'm gonna be angry. I'm going to be afraid. I'm going to want to take revenge. I'm going to want to punish people because how dare they? They put me in danger, my family in danger. But the person who knows that the true self cannot be touched, that it is only the persona, the physical daily reality of someone that can be touched, is going to just the same hold anyone and everyone accountable to the extent that it is possible anyway, right? No more, no less, but is going to go about it with this awareness, with this knowledge. And so no thief, no robber, no liar, no cheater, no deceiver, no matter how much money they take from us or how much they disadvantage us, they will never, ever be able to touch the timeless and universal truth that I am just as I am. I cannot be made more or less just by someone else's actions. I cannot be made more or less loving by someone else's actions. I can not be made more or less angry by someone else's actions. All these things are inside of me, and they are me the way that they are, and I am the one who has that in them or does not have that in them. Others cannot do that. Language already shows us this when we say they provoked my anger. Uh-huh. So you had anger to provoke. They didn't put the anger inside of you, they didn't inject it to you. They don't keep giving more of it to you. They're merely provoking what is necessarily already there. Now, if I don't have anger, what are these people to provoke as much as they want to try? What can they do? Just yesterday, just yesterday, I made a video on Instagram on anger. And uh hundreds of comments, tens of thousands of views. Everyone defending anger, and everyone offended at someone, as they always are, speaking against anger. And so uh multiple comments that are meant to insult, meant to harm, meant to hurt, uh, meant to uh discourage, of course, because people love their anger, they want their anger, they want to keep it, they're they're controlled by it. So the master is not allowing this, the master is offended, their master is offended. But I know that they're literally only looking at an image of me. And what and in this case, of course, it's literal because they're just seeing an image, a video on a screen. But even if they were talking to me face to face, as they say, physically in the same room, I would still know that they're only looking at an image of me. And I'm not just saying that my body is an image. Uh the very idea, even the non-physical idea that they have of me, that's say this person is doing this and saying this and believing this and acting like this, all of this is a construct that they put together. And I'm not even saying it's uh inaccurate or accurate, I'm not saying anything. Either way, even an accurate image is an image. And so what they're attacking, I know very well, is that image. But that which gives life to the image, that which stands behind the image, that which can have many images, but only one true self, is the true I. And I know that cannot be touched. No matter what they say, um anger, the destructiveness of anger once witnessed, cannot be gone back to. And it is only the process of being offended, being insulted on their part that is making them speak and attack this image that they're seeing. It's one image attacking another because they also have an image of themselves that is merely an image and they don't know the true self. And so it's it's two images quarreling, it's two images attacking each other. That's all it is. And um, but again, if we put someone in prison for 10 years, why are we doing that? This is the question. Are we punishing this person? So many people would say yes, I think, right? Is that is that a reasonable assumption to say that the vast majority of people would see, okay, and what will his punishment be? 10 years. Okay, I guess that satisfies me. That'll be fine. But what it really is, is this person needs to be away from society. This person has demonstrated with their actions a lack of a certain understanding and a lack of a certain um, again, understanding of boundaries and what is acceptable and what is right. And so, to the degree that we are sure that this is not going to change tomorrow, if it will ever change. And so we find it reasonable that this person should be prevented from ever being able to do that again, at least for a period of 10 years. And again, objectively, let's say that that 10-year sentence is vastly inadequate. That inadequacy belongs to the court, not to justice. It belongs to the court. And if it is way too much, again, another injustice, if it is too long of a sentence for what what the so-called crime was, that again did not diminish justice itself. It diminished our human institution that we call the justice system. That can be diminished or bettered, exalted, or humbled, and that that one can do right or wrong. But justice is justice is justice. It simply is, and that one cannot be touched. So uh I don't want to go on much longer. You you're asking questions that are that have a connection at the very least to everything, and so if we want to properly address something, we're gonna necessarily have to um go a little bit deeper because you're asking deep questions, and uh there must be a somewhat lengthy answer to that, and we could still go on. But I think uh if if I'm not wrong, this is sort of what you're seeing, right? You're constantly uh seeing, aha, this is the physical, this is the non-physical, this is logistical, this is non-logistical, this is reason, this is emotion. This is constantly being pointed out to you. And it used to be so subtle, but it's becoming more and more obvious. I think this is what's going on. And so I just wanted to speak a little bit on that exact difference, that that subtlety becoming more obvious in many areas.

SPEAKER_00 29:28

And again, I'm I'm very grateful of how well put and well spoken um you are. Uh how you expand on, I guess, a topic, but not really an idea. Um, but keeping it very simple. Um, that's why very and um I really enjoy listening to you. Um and to that I might add a little bit of my own kind of banding on the idea, is that um when when I say punish, a lot of people probably only think of punishing someone or something outside themselves. But I think we all we also punish ourselves, um and that also is not necessary.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Punishing whom um explain that to us, right? When when people say uh I I need to punish myself, or I keep punishing myself, but I don't want to do that anymore. Who is punishing whom? How many people do we have inside of us? How is this possible? Exactly, yeah. Um what do you what do you think about that? How can people have multiple people inside of them where one the self is punishing the other again? The self, how is this possible?

SPEAKER_00 31:01

I think it's an illusion that they're making up, um, and it's not actually something that they're doing, they're just thinking that that's what they're doing. Um, because even them cannot, even I cannot, but I can affect myself. I don't know. It's such a weird thing that I know and kind of don't know at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 31:29

That's totally okay because look, you're you're seeing it right now. This is being pointed out to you. Before you were just like all of us, right? And everyone, at least at some point in their life, you were punishing yourself, you were disappointed in yourself, you were angry with yourself, you were proud of yourself. Don't we hear this every day? I'm proud of myself for doing this. What are you talking? Who is proud of whom? How many people do we have inside of us? And uh naturally, as we see the true self, we see what's happening. We see there is the observer, the consciousness, the the awareness that is seeing things, right? When I am seeing myself being punished by myself, this is something that is being observed. If I wasn't observing it, I couldn't tell you about it, right? The question is, it's observed by whom? Right? It's observed by whom. I see, look, and this is so complicated. I see myself being punished by myself. So there are three people. I, myself, and I, or what's it called? I, me, and myself, or whatever. It's like three people in there, right? There's the one seeing, which is the self. The self is seeing the self-punishing the self. There are three people there. And so if that's being observed, the self-punishing the self, the question is who is the one observing it? And then out of those three, which one is the true self? Is it the one who is being punished? Is it the one who is punishing or is it the one observing this? Because the one who is punishing the other one must believe that there are at least two people, because otherwise it could not punish someone. There's the I and then there's the myself, and the I is punishing the myself, right? But this action of these two is being observed by an observer. So the punisher believes in punishment, clearly, and the being, the one that's being punished also believes in punishment. So those are the two, but the observer, does that believe in punishment? Does that uh is that the source of where the need to punish, the action to punish the self comes from? Or is that one merely observing? Is that one merely saying, Okay, I see you two playing there? To me, and everyone needs to answer this uh for themselves, of course, to me, it is the observer. If any of those three are real, it is the observer, because notice this without the observer, nothing can be observed. If the observer wasn't there, the one punishing the self would not be known, would not be seen, we would not be able to talk about this going on inside of us. In other words, if I'm not in the room to witness it, I cannot talk about it. So take any one of these three people out. Take the one punishing out, I'm still there. I'm just not perceiving any self-punishment going on, right? Take the one being punished out, still the same thing. There's someone there looking to punish the self, but the one that can punish is not there. I'm seeing this. But take the observer out, and I'm not seeing anything. I don't know of anything. No punishment of the self or anyone else is possible without that observer. Isn't it so simple? Take the one out of the room without whom the room can cannot be perceived. Then you know that you are the true self, or which one of those you are. It's a total me, myself, and I situation. We need to pick someone. Right? We are not three people. But this is what everyone seems to believe, right? And we see this in language all the time. Um, not only I am proud of myself, I am disappointed in myself, this kind of speech, but there's also the speech that keeps going on about there's a part of me that wants this. And but then there's a part of me that knows that that's not true. But then also there's a part of me that sees the one who used to believe that this is what that this was true, and that was such a lovely time. You know, back then I was living here and I had this friend, and he would always talk about this and that. So I'm a little bit attached to the past self who used to believe in this. But the part of me now that knows that it's like this is only I'm only talking about three or four parts. People seem to have hundreds of parts, right? Because then then we go to work, and then let's say we're a doctor, and we say, well, there's a part of me that would uh recommend this procedure, but then there's a part of the nose battery, you know, this generally does not work out. So I wonder, blah, blah, blah. I mean, you know, and then at work we have hundreds of parts. Who is the part, so to speak? It's not a part, of course. Who is the one who is giving all these parts, all these identities, all these selves, past, present, or future? Who is the one giving all of them life? And who is the one without whom none of these things would be possible, let alone happening, let alone being observed. And once we see this, once we see this extremely simple, I mean, it's almost like a child. You can imagine the words I'm speaking now coming out of a child. I would not be surprised, right? It's so, so simple as truth is and always will be. So why not pick the one to identify with, if we have to identify with something, without whom none of the other ones are possible? Why don't we say, uh-huh, I see this one? When I take this one out of the room, everything, everything goes dark. All happening, all activity, all past and future, none of it is perceived, none of it is seen, it is all gone. Am I not that one? And if I am that one and I can take all other ones out, oh those hundreds of parts or identities or roles or whatever we call them, I can take any one of those out of the room and the room still goes on. Everything's still happening, everything's still being perceived. So if I can throw this one out of the room and this one out of the room and this one out of the room, and really nothing changes other than that one being missing, then why would I ever identify with that? And more importantly, I'm taking these people, so-called people, right, identities, out of the room, and I'm realizing not only am I still there, this is a very important point, this is a very subtle thing. Not only am I still there, I am still fully there. Because people keep talking about their parts, it makes it sound like, okay, without this part, I could live, but I would be incomplete because a part of me is missing. No, not only can I let go of this part, I am still fully here. And ironically, paradoxically, but really not so ironically or paradoxically, I feel more as myself when I let these things go. Not only do I not feel like something's missing, not only do I not still feel fully there, I in fact feel like more as myself. This is also what people say. And they say, Oh, I finally quit that job. I feel like more like myself. Don't people say that? And so this is a thing that that's happening too. So why, why, why, why are we letting these people still be in the room? What is one reason to do so, other than the unreasonable emotional attachment or attachment of any sort? This is why so many religions, philosophies, people keep going on about attachment, non-attachment, whatever. Because this is what it's doing to us. It is putting us into a multiplicity when there really is only a singularity. We think we are parted when we are truly one. And this is why one part is fighting with another, one part is not happy with another, one part is proud of another part. It is, and I mean this with love, that there's not one single iota of judgment or anything in this. It is, I'm objectively and not emotionally saying, this is insanity. It is not sane. This is not a sane thing to do. In that way, it is insanity. But all we do, we have to do to uh so-called fix the insanity is drop the first two letters. Drop the first two letters, and you have sanity. And it's the same thing. We don't need to add to ourselves, we don't need to work on ourselves in the sense that we need to gather wisdom and then assemble it into something, and then oh no, finally I am complete. No, quite the opposite. We need to let go, we need to detach. And then we also need to detach from detachment. It's like uh I think Seneca, this is not a Seneca quote, but I think he is also quoting someone when he when he says um a statue is made by taking material away, not by adding it.

unknown 41:55

Right?

SPEAKER_01 41:55

When you chisel from a block of granite or whatever, out of that you chisel a beautiful statue. You haven't added anything, you've taken it away, you've taken material away. And so the false self needs to go. The identities need to go, the ego needs to die. There are so many ways of saying this, and some of them are quite dramatic, but it's really a very non-dramatic process. It is simply saying, saying, wow, when I punish myself, who am I punishing? Simple question. Shouldn't this question be asked first? And even when I'm not punishing myself, but someone else, who am I punishing? Am I punishing their self? Or am I merely punishing, as I could only do, the image of them? And if I'm merely engaged in imagery, if my image is fighting with another image and I'm getting a thrill out of that, and I'm watching that, and this is what I call my life. Am I living in reality or am I living in unreality? And guess what? I have a hundred percent right to live in unreality. I have the right to be wrong. I have the right to reject sanity. I can do that. I am free to do that. You are free to do that, we're all free to do that. So it's a simple, undramatic, not at all important in terms of to the to the world, choice that we make within ourselves for ourselves. Where do I want to live? How do I want to live? And uh, when you say, I'm seeing now ignorance, wrongdoing, misguidance, whatever we want to call it, cannot trust touch the true self. Yet I can still fully operate in the physical daily world, which is also real. By the way, I don't want to sound like one of those people who say the daily world is unreal. What we see are all images. There might be images, but the images are real. Everything might be ephemeral. Everything is changing and passing constantly. Yes, but that doesn't mean it's unreal. It's just changing all the time. You're seeing now what I was saying, you know, the true self cannot be touched, but I can still operate the person that I am, the person of me, the personality, the image that I necessarily present to other people. I can still operate out of that. I can still do whatever. But it will be on my terms. It will be my choice. It is a choice. Before we are like this, focused, focused, hyper-focused on this definition, this box that we put ourselves in. And anyone touching that definition or trying to change it is an enemy, is a source of anxiety, is a is a need for creates a need for revenge and all these things. And so we spend our whole lives fighting. And uh it's just that's literally what it is. It is unnecessary and it is insane. So I believe this is what you're seeing, and what you are going to continue to see, and which you cannot unsee even if you tried. Although I don't think you're gonna try.

SPEAKER_00 46:05

Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 46:06

Yeah, thank you. Once again, I mean this is this is you bringing here. This is your offering, which we get to unpack. Without you bringing it here, there's nothing to unpack. And um I also want to say, uh, I as I don't do enough, uh, in my opinion, and this is now the person talking, not the true self, of course, because the true self doesn't have opinions or or worries or anything. Uh, I do want to tell you, all I am doing is pointing that out, which has been pointed out to me. Truth is not exclusive, truth is not complicated, and truth does not cost anything in terms of monetary, certainly. And so this is for everyone. And that's why we say truth is simple, truth is accessible, truth does not require intelligence or wealth. The least wealthy people in the world have access to truth. This is demonstrated every day. And the least some of the least intelligent people also have access to truth, and that too is being demonstrated every day. And so we are never to look at anyone else. I'm not saying you're doing this, this is just an opportunity to talk about this generally. We are never to look at anyone else with our eyes raised on a pedestal or say, I look up to you. You can look up to someone in the in the regular sense of, okay, I mean, obviously, I'm seeing something that is speaking to me, and so I want to be closer to that. It's absolutely fine. But to say, this is my whatever, this is this is a person who has knowledge that I could never attain. But I'm of course benefiting from listening and from, yeah, and I and I wish to learn more. And I we're constantly in that pose, right? This is a pose. This is another role, this is another identity, the identity of the seeker, the identity of the student, whatever. And of course, we're learning, and of course, we're a student in many things sometimes. But this is not, this is also just a changing thing. This is also something that's being observed. And more and more you're gonna find yourself in your friend circle, your family, or on the internet, or nowhere at all, because you don't need to do this. Uh, just naturally, as soon as someone's speaking to you and they're saying something, you're gonna catch something. You're gonna say, Hey, can I suggest this to you? Because this is something that was pointed out to me. It was something that was offered to me and uh it clicked with me and it changed my life and it all that, right? It's that is part of the highest good, and so I just want to give it to you too. Because this is the defining feature of the highest uh good, which is truth, love, justice, all these uh ideas in the true sense, is that the more you have it, the more you want others to have it too. Right. Unlike with money, gold, anything else, right? The more you have, the more you're gonna also want to have. It's always gonna be a loss to give some of it away. But the highest good is so high, and it is so good that it is bottomless and limitless. And the more others have it, the better for you it becomes, even. What is better for a person than other people to have this awareness of the true self? For them not to be stuck in fighting and battling, fighting for and against something all the time, proving things to themselves. There's another one, by the way. I need to prove this to myself that I can do this. This is another thing that we say. Who is proving what? To whom? And so it wouldn't it be better for me too, for the people around me in society to have the same understanding? Of course it would be. You know, I'm getting on a plane and the pilot is like this. Wouldn't I want that? Uh, I'm I'm going to a restaurant and the cook's like this, and and the the servers are like this, and the everyone's like this. Isn't that an amazing, beautiful thing? And so this is why you would naturally want to pass it on. And that's all that's happening here with everyone who ever speaks here, including myself. It is just the pointing out of what has been pointed out to me. And that's all it is. And so I appreciate you giving us an opportunity to uh talk about and share this particular thing. I'm moving it back to the audience, uh, but I do want to say uh thank you once again for that, uh, as is happening every time, but no expectation that we are allowed this special opportunity to talk about these things, to be challenged in these things, to discuss these things, and to disagree. And I I always say I wish there would be uh more people instead of. I have people that I know by username now, like I recognize them. Every week, every day, every video, every something, they're there commenting, disagreeing, which is totally fine, of course, but that's all they're doing. It's always a comment, it's always a smart little thing that they're saying. And there's hardly enough characters, enough time to respond to a comment, and even then you would just be talking to one person. I wish those people would come here and speak like this. Because if you transcribe what I what we just talked about, this whole thing, it would be pages and pages. It wouldn't fit into any comment section or anything. Uh, and even if it didn't, it wouldn't have the liveliness of what this is. But I have to say, I I'm not, I don't regret that one bit because I mean I wish it for them because I wish well in the sense that we always talk about here uh everyone. And wishing someone well is true love, is is an act of true love, rather. And so I wish them well, but I also don't regret that they don't do it because people hold on to it on purpose. They want to be angry, they want to be fighting something so that they can feel alive. And this is our our theme, we could say, these weeks, right? Because we're talking about thrill seeking. That's thrill seeking. I want this is why this is the question of the Fortnite. This is thrill seeking. We always think thrill seeking is driving a car really fast, or you know, even some people can recognize that drama is a way of thrill seeking, right? Where we just stir up an argument just because we're bored or we are having too many thoughts in our heads and we just want to distract ourselves, right? That too is thrill seeking, many people can see. But literally anything you can you do and can do in your life can be thrill seeking. It's all about intention, right? Thrill seeking fundamentally has these two features that I want to point out to everyone during these weeks. Number one, it is a discontent with the present moment. Whenever we are discontent with the present moment and we look for ways to enhance it, let us know that we are thrill-seeking. Because the present moment is reality, we are dwelling, living in reality in the present moment, and reality is never incomplete. Reality never needs enhancement, never, and so when we're looking to enhance it, it is that in us which is not satisfied with reality, which constantly needs images and actions and things happening and thrills going on, because a thrill is something that is outside of reality. A thrill is thrilling, it's a high. This is why people take drugs, this is why people argue, this is why people uh eat what they eat if when they eat unhealthy things. They don't eat it for the nutrition, obviously, otherwise they wouldn't. Uh they eat they eat it because it tastes good. It is distracting, it is enhancing. They say, wow, this is this is nice right now, but you know what would be really good? If we had some alcohol, if we had some food, if we had some company, if we had this or that. So whenever, this is number one, whenever we are looking to enhance the present moment because it is not good enough for us, we are thrill seeking. And the second feature of thrill seeking that without fail, I always notice, first and foremost, in myself. I'm not looking at other people and judging other people. I'm telling you, this is experience first and foremost in myself. Number two is when I am looking to do something now in order to complete myself in the future. This is a big one, right? When we say, okay, I have a lack, I am incomplete. This present moment is showing me that it's almost unbearable, right? But if I work on myself, however that's defined, whether this is uh like we all of many of us do, philosophy, I'm gonna work on myself in that way, or I'm gonna work on my body, right? I'm gonna become more muscular, more uh beautiful, however, I define that. Or I'm gonna work on my career, on my family, on my relationship, however, you want to define working on yourself, right? I'm gonna do this now to fix this incompletion, this lack, this mess of a of a human being that I am. And in order to hope, be able to hope that in the future I may be complete, that in the future I may be at peace, that in the future I may finally become my true self. This thing inside of us, which tells us that we are not yet, and that we need to become everything we do with that intention, everything we do out of that disposition, will be thrill seeking. But the person who engages in philosophy, the person who goes to the gym, the person who looks for friends and to start a family or what or their career or whatever it is they're doing, if they are doing it out of a sense, no, this is not to enhance the present moment, the present situation. And it is also not in order to become something in the future, to fix this incompletion, this lack that I have now. No, it is simply logistical. It is the right thing to do, it is a beautiful thing to do, it is a creative thing to do, it's a joyful thing to do, but it is done out of a place of peace. It is done out of a sense of I am already a person, I am already complete, I already exist. This is not to enhance the present moment or to enhance my true self. This is for other things. This is for things that come after that. Do you see how this person can still do anything and everything, and in fact, do it much better with much more clarity and peace and love and kindness and justice, fairness with integrity? Whereas the other person is frantically trying to distract themselves, trying to enhance the present situation, trying to make it better, trying to complete themselves, and they're just using the career, the relationship, philosophy, religion, all these things to these selfish ends and profane ends. The other one is going to the same church, the other one is going to the same school of philosophy, the other one is working in the same career workplace, the other one is in the same exact family, completely different dispositions, completely different intention. So this is why I say thrill seeking can be anything and everything all at once, or the exact same thing cannot be thrill seeking at all. It can just be something that we do for very, very good reasons. And so this is why I wanted to talk about thrill seeking so much, uh, because this needs to be pointed out. This subtlety, and it is so subtle. Like, what's wrong with me listening to a bit of music right now? Music is a lovely art, it's amazing. What's wrong with me wanting to listen for that? Nothing. Just look at your intention. Are you doing it to enhance the present situation because this present moment is not good enough for you? Reality is not complete enough for you? Or are you doing it? No, it is perfectly complete. It is perfectly fine. I just, you know, the friend sent this to me, and I have an opportunity to listen to it now, and I'm gonna listen to it. That's it. That's it. Same exact action, and it looks like a very simple, small little thing that everyone does every day. It can be done in thrill seeking, and it can be done out of a space of completion and peace and stillness, and perfection, really. Say everything is just right. This is not to make something more right. So, yes, anything can be thrill seeking. Anything. Yeah, and this is one of our major themes, right? Intention, intention, intention. The most important thing. That's that's why I always say if you set your intention right, nothing can happen to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:11

Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:15

And uh we'll take our I'll invite our next speaker here.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:20

I um I like to talk about beauty. Of course. And I have some things to say first, and then a question. Beauty or experience of beauty is not an experience, but the realization that all experiences are empty because they're transitory. And I've noticed that it's experience of beauty, it's that um shedding of identities, which is what uh makes the experience. And for example, I think silence plays uh a big role. For example, when a pianist finishes his performance, he or she um pauses for effect, and a speaker often pauses and um paintings are like hung up on white walls and also in architecture. Great architecture is not just completely bright or completely shaded, but as an interplay of both light and shadow.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

And I see shadow as like silence and light as disturbance.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:49

So it seems that both are quite important and the reason why they're both is because the disturbance makes us aware of the silence and that creates a kind of inner silence becoming aware of that becoming aware of silence which is unchanging I think of it as I think silence is divinity itself, no matter if it's like silence between noise or in space or between words. There's always the absence of something when there is something. And my question is why are some things more beautiful than others when everything is a part of reality?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:51

Well, thank you for sharing all that, right? And uh also your question, perhaps uh especially your question when we say I the more I look, the more I see beauty. Right? The beauty was always there, it's just me who's seeing it more. And I want you to notice this every time you notice something being beautiful, especially when before you hadn't noticed that, or before you even thought it was not beautiful. Notice that it has something to do with attachment. And I want to explain that a little bit because this is this is again a subtle thing that the more obvious it becomes, the more we are able to see beauty and be beautiful in the truest sense. Think of going to the park and and seeing a tree, as we always do, right? Especially around uh these weeks and in many parts of the world as spring is coming. We are seeing these beautiful trees or flowers, whatever that are blooming, all kinds of colors, whatever. And we can't help but say, wow, how how how beautiful. How beautiful, right? But then we go on to see, as soon as we call something beautiful, if we even have the eyes to do it yet, as soon as we call something beautiful, we see that which is a danger to it. We say, Oh, this beautiful tree. And then when a storm comes, we think, oh no, I hope my beautiful tree survives. Or we say, these reckless people who will pollute the environment every year, there are fewer and fewer trees, fewer and fewer species. Whether that's true or not, I'm just saying that that's what uh we often say ourselves and hear. And so this is a danger to my tree. A storm is a danger to my tree. That individual person who keeps picking at the bark is a danger to my beautiful, beautiful tree. Uh maybe in a couple years this park they will tear everything down and turn into a parking lot. So society is a danger to my beautiful tree. Politicians, politics are a danger to my beautiful tree. A lightning strike, again, of course, that's storm-related. Or diseases that trees can get, right? Or it has to be chopped down because it's it's dying because of this disease. That's a danger to my beautiful tree. So as soon as I call it beautiful, I start thinking of all the dangers to this beauty. And before I know it, rather than thinking of my beautiful tree and its beauty, I am thinking of all the things that are a danger to it. And so the more beautiful I think something is, the more valuable. I think it is. In other words, the more I attach myself to it, the less I see its beauty, the more I see ugliness. Because danger is ugly, harm is ugly, destruction is ugly, right? Especially directed to my beautiful tree. These are the ugliest things. And this is how it is with everything: a career, another person, a relationship, our own self, past, future, dreams, goals, whatever. The more I attach myself to it, the uglier it becomes to me. And the more I take attachment away from it, the more I say, okay, this is my career. I mean, this is how I make a living. And so it is in that way, it's very important. And it's also making me feel good, right? Because I'm a thrill seeker. I'm constantly looking for that high. I'm constantly looking for approval. But the more I say, wow, this need of approval is actually destroying me. Wow, this roller coaster ride, I see now the higher I go, the lower I go afterwards. And then I'm seeking another high again. And when that high is not as high as the previous high, I get disappointed and all these things, right? And every time I have an expectation of the next promotion or what's going to happen in my career, every time I do that, I get disappointed. And I see now when one has does not have expectation, it's not even possible for have for one to have disappointment. So by seeing all of these things, uh-huh, now I'm letting go of expectation. Now I'm letting go of thrill seeking. Now I'm letting go of the idea that the career defines me. No, I know that my true self is not changeable by the career, for better or for worse. So no, okay. So look, I'm letting one attachment after another go. These are all attachments. And the more I do that, the more I am able to perceive why I do this career, the beauty in it, the effect it can have on society, the accordance it can have with justice and beauty if it is an art or whatever, even if it's not an art. Now I am able to perceive it. Now I am able to not only see the beauty, but partake in it, the less attached I am to it. And to the unruly mind, to the ego, to the identities, this will seem like a paradox. This will seem like a paradox when it's so straightforward, right? So you're saying I need to value something less in order for it to become valuable to me. So you're saying I need to look at beauty less in order to see it more. This is what the ego is thinking, this is what the mind is thinking right now. Yes and no. I mean, however you want to put it. It is just the way I explained it. The more we attach some to ourselves to our dog, our cat, the more we see the disease, the accidents, the simple passage of time, the bacteria, the poison food, the all of these things that can hurt this beautiful, objectively beautiful animal. And the animal that is so important to us. The more important it gets, the uglier it becomes. But this is not so-called, as so many people say, the irony of life. No, it is not. This is the beauty of life right here. This is the beauty of life that I can see beauty in things that I am not attached to, because this little person that I am cannot attach itself to everything, even if it wanted to. And if it could, it would. This is how I am able to love all humans, even though I will never even meet them, even though there's a number of them that is inconceivable to me. This is how one can love animals, this is how one can love nature, this is one how how one can love the entire universe by not becoming attached to it. Non-attachment. Because the less I make it my own, the less I say, this is so beautiful, this is so precious, this is so valuable, this is so lovely. The more I perceive the dangers to it. And by the way, when I say the more I perceive the dangers, that is me saying that that has a danger to it. The cat doesn't think of danger. The tree certainly doesn't think of the so-called dangers that it could experience, will experience inevitably. I am the one projecting all of this onto it. And I am the one looking at everyone who walks past my cat, my dog, or the tree that I love so much. Are they going to treat it well? I'm going to keep an eye on this. And so distrust grows in me. Judgment grows in me. Fear grows in me. Distress grows in me. And I have expectations which are more and more disappointing me. This is how attachment blocks us, makes something ugly to us, that objectively, in reality, is beautiful. And as you have said, this was your question: how can some things be more beautiful than others? I am telling you, look at the things that are more beautiful to you than others, and you will find that you have less attachment to them. You have less attachment to them. If you value architecture more than a specific piece of art, it is because architecture is untouchable. It is a concept, it is a human ability. We could knock down every single building that is existent, existing right now. The great architect will come back and he or she will build it again. And you know that. And that's why you're saying, I am not so attached to specific buildings, specific physical examples of beautiful architecture, because I know their beauty is not in the stone, brick, and mortar, but in the mind of the human that created it, and not even of that one human, but in the humanity in which this skill can exist and does exist and always has and always will exist. Same with nature. The more I understand that one particular bird, one particular tree is not the source of its beauty, but in fact the nature of it, which stands behind every each individual physical example of tree or cat or bird, that's where the beauty is, not in the bird in the cat itself. So my cat, my dog may die. And guess what? It will die. This is not a question of if, it will die. So is this an ugly thing? No, because that which produced it, that which has produced many others of its kind, that which is able and will produce others of its kind again and continually and constantly in one shape or another, that is beauty, that is creation, that is goodness, that is justice, that's where it comes from. And so that true beauty, nothing can touch that, nothing can harm that. Every single beautiful tree can burn down, every single beautiful uh building can be knocked down, and it will, by the way, again, one day it will. And every beautiful piece of art, even music, every beautiful composition will be forgotten one day. The particular one, the specific composition that I love so much will be. But some other human will come again and make make another one. Socrates is dead and gone. And we could sit here and argue how his death was unjustified. It it seems like it was. It was not right, it was unfair. But there are so many more Socrates. So many more that came and also went and are still to come. So many. That which produces them is beauty, is intelligence, is justice, is love. Not the one individual. Because that one individual is also only proof of the general and of their own nature. And it is people like Socrates who will tell you most of all, they will say, it is not me. Everything that I can do, you can do, you and I are the same. The self of mine and the self of yours, there's no difference between those things. In potential, we are identical. It is an actuality where we differ. And what is that actuality determined by? I am attached to this, I am attached to this, I am not attached to that, someone else is attached to that, and then we go and call that a personality. The sum of our attachments is our personality. I care about this, and you care about this too. Oh, okay, so we can have this hobby together. Let's go out this weekend and do this together. So now we're friends because our personalities are compatible. But this other person, oh, they don't care about what we care about. That's that's an ignorant person, that's uh, that's our enemy, or at the very least, it's our opponent in a game, or whatever it is. So that person is different. That person is not as good, not as smart, not as kind, not as beautiful, literally, right? Physically or in their mind. That's different. But what is behind that personality? What is the one that attaches itself to one thing and not to another? That is the source of all beauty. And so this is again just a seeing, right? Just go out in the world, do exactly what you're doing, journal, write about uh the thoughts that come to you about beauty, which is uh great. And as you're doing that, this is not an extra, this is not attention, this is not uh a homework, this is not something to achieve. No, just let this run as your life is is going. Just let this run in the background with it together, also. Notice. Every time I've been able to see beauty more is because I attach myself to it less. This is why when people say, oh, but uh natural catastrophes, right? We call them catastrophes. Earthquakes, uh hurricanes, things like that. That's certainly not beautiful. That's an ugly part of life, they say. Some people even call that the punishment of God. God is punishing us. It's because I'm attached to it. I'm attached to what the hurricane can do. I'm attached to what the earthquake can do. And that's why I call it a catastrophe, because it is a disaster to that which I am attached to. But if I'm not attached to it, if I'm in a different part of the country or I'm not from here, I don't have a house here, I don't know anyone here. And I get to observe a hurricane that is not harming anyone, right? It's just in a valley and it's just going about. I call that beautiful, don't I? I am amazed by it. I'm in awe by it. I'm saying, look at this nature, look at these forces, look at this amazing power. And by the way, look at the sort of beautiful shape that the hurricane is creating. Or this amazing canyon that this earthquake or this meteorite strike, which wiped out uh an entire species, many, many species. Look at the beauty that this has created. It's only because I'm not attached to it. So when we say this is a bad thing, bad for whom? This is an ugly thing. Ugly to whom? Made be ugly to you, but it is certainly not ugly to you.

unknown 1:19:35

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:35

What I say is ugly is you you you can call beautiful and vice versa, or we can agree, we can disagree, whatever it is, but it all comes down to our attachments to the thing. So to answer your question, I just wanted to offer that to you. Um, I just want to make you suspicious, right? Where you say, maybe it has something to do with attachment. I'm gonna look into that. I'm gonna write about that, think about that as I do. And I'm just gonna look at the world trying to notice this, this attachment, non-attachment thing. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_04 1:20:14

Yeah. Um, what you say about attachment is quite interesting. Yeah, I've noticed that there are some things that people commonly see as beautiful, like sunset compared to other things which you see every day.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:34

But if I told you, but if I told you and said this when you say, oh, this sunset in your in your town in this part of the world is particularly beautiful, it's so red and so amazing, so deep color. And and I told you, yeah, that's that's because we have a lot of pollution here. You'd all you would say, ah, well, pollution is a terrible thing for the environment. So this beautiful sunset that was just so beautiful a second ago to me. Now I see it is actually ugly. Because of attachment, right? But if I said this is not my planet, what you call pollution is just pretty to me. Then it would be beautiful again. Isn't this so amazing? And I'm not saying, you know, let's call natural disasters like uh toxic things poison, pollution, all these. Let's let's just call that beautiful and let's not do anything about it. No, we can do something against pollution if it is there, and still say, well, you know what, that's kind of beautiful though, actually. Like for the time that we have pollution, we're working on it and we're doing our best and we're doing everything that can be done. But for the time being, as long as there still is pollution today, I have to say that's kind of pretty. I mean, it makes the colors more intense and we whatever. Can we not do both of these things? This is why people are so attached to things because they say, this must change, this is not right, this is ugly, this is wrong, this is injustice. And yes, it is. It is. But can we not at the same time see that it is our attachment that is making this ugly to us? Whereas otherwise we could just say, okay, this is this is against reason, this is against justice, and I'm in a position to do something about this. So I'm gonna start that process right now, and I'm gonna do it to the best of my ability. But in the meantime, I'm not gonna call anyone a horrible person. I'm not gonna, I'm certainly gonna not feel resentment and hatred and stay stay awake at night because I can't stay because I'm so angry and this world is so unfair. Why do any of that? What is that adding to the logistical process of me uh correcting what is what is wrong? So as I'm fighting the pollution, and again, this is not really a fighting when it's done like this, but as I am taking the best possible steps, I am in the position to take against pollution while I'm doing that every night because I love the sunset, I'm still gonna look at the sunset. And I'm still gonna see the beauty in it, the intense colors that this universe, whether it's through so-called good or bad chemicals, it's all a chemical, is producing in front of me, is able to produce, even. You know, we look at uh planets like Saturn and Mercury and all these uh sort of planets that are impossible for us to live on, right? That are toxic to us. But we look at photos from space, and we say, wow, those swirls and at those uh huge storms that are taking these storms, such beautiful shapes, such amazing red, deep colors and all that. It is just mayhem going on on this planet. If we were on the planet, we would call it mayhem because we're looking at it from space, we're calling it pretty. What an amazing solar system in this space in the universe. Oh my god, I was so overwhelmed by this beauty. Isn't that what we said? And so, look, it all has something to do with attachment. So that's I think an important thing to become more obvious is a subtle thing. Again, it's a very, very subtle thing, so it's overlooked, and that's the right word. It's overlooked. We're looking, but we're overlooking. So this is another thing that I think can become more obvious and would benefit us, our vision of it. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. Thank you once again for uh bringing this offering that we can talk about and unpack and see things in. Um, I'm gonna move you back to the audience, but yeah, thank you. Keep writing. Uh, that was beautiful what you said about beauty and light and dark and everything. It's beauty. And um thinking about isn't everything reality? You know, everything that's beautiful is part of reality, but everything that's not beautiful is part of reality too. Is reality a mix of ugliness and beauty? Or is it really all good, all beautiful? And it's just my personal individual tiny little perspective, the sliver of the world that I can see. Is that tiny little perspective just interpreting things as good and bad? Right? This is really the question of all questions, once again, one of the many questions of all questions. And um, I will invite our next speaker.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:51

I wanted to say thank you for the last two talkers as well. I think that some of the answers were already laying in there for my question, but I will ask it anyway. Can one live in an intimate relationship according to love as a direction?

SPEAKER_01 1:26:17

Um again, that's uh and you're rightly pointing out that we talked to something, talked about something relevant with this, uh, I think with the first speaker, right? Where we talked about the physical and the non-physical, or we could say logistical, not logistical. So what I would tell you, since you're asking me, right, and this is just my uh perspective on it, I suppose, is that a relationship with a specific person is a logistical, it's a physical thing, right? We are not two orbs of light having a relationship. We are uh two people in bodies having relationships as bodies, right? And this goes forever on family, friends, romantic, whatever you want to call it, is just choosing to live together in in physical proximity. And and of course, um, but even our opinions or beliefs that we share often in many ways are a physical, logistical phenomenon. We say, this person I can be around not only physically but intellectually, or rather physically because I can be around them intellectually, because their ideas are not unacceptable to me, that's why I can be around them. That's why I choose to be around them. Even that is a logistical act, if you think about it. Because our ideas, our beliefs don't need to be paired up in order to become valid and complete and all these things. They already are. Right. So when we're looking for a relationship of any sort, we just want to have friends, we want to uh start a family, whatever it is, we are looking for someone who has a logistical at the end of the day. This is what it is it's a logistical compatibility. And so we just need to be we just need to make sure that we're not confusing the physical with the non-physical. Love is not a physical thing. Love is, as you uh pointed out, love is a direction, love is a state of being, that state of being being peace. And uh love is not something that is conscient concentrated on one person, it shouldn't be. That's not love. Love is universal. If you can, we always say, right? If you cannot love everyone, you cannot love anyone. If you cannot love everyone, you cannot love anyone. And we can say it differently. In order to be able to love anyone, you must learn how to love everyone. Because to say, I love this person, uh, but this person is not good enough. Or no, this person is uh ignorant when we judge like this. Love does not judge, love does not put categories, love does not rank, love does not discriminate, and love certainly does not hate. And but we see it all the time in so-called romantic relationships, where the person on which, again, what people think is love is being concentrated on that very person which is loved the most, right? You are my number one, you are my everything, you are my this and that. Those are also the people who more often than not end up being the most hated people. The most so-called loved people are often the ones that end up becoming the most hated people. You stab me in the back, you present yourself as someone that you are not, you lied to me, you you tricked me, you all that. And so this the so-called romantic love has nothing to do with love. Nothing to do with love. Because the the entire basis of romantic love, for example, well, it's the same with friendship and everything, is that we say this one person is special. Or uh, in case that you're um not a uh monogamous, you might say that about a few more people, but you could never say that to all about all people. And it's the same with friendship. You can say, This is my best friend. Don't people say, don't some people say I have four best friends? These are my four best friends. So you can say that about four people, ten people, maybe a thousand people, I don't know, but you cannot say it about every single human being who has ever lived or will ever live. That is the capability of true love. True love can do this. And true love, the act of loving someone truly, is nothing other than to wish them well. And what is to wish well? I wish that you know right from wrong, true from false, bad from good, that you live in peace, that you live in unawareness, that you live in awareness and not in unawareness, that you never encounter ignorance, right? And that you never feel incomplete, that you always know what who the true self is, what you truly are, which is a complete one being that needs nothing and no one. You are complete, you are not lacking. These are all things that we can say and and state to someone, and this would be the ultimate well-wish. The ultimate. And that's the act of love, to be able to say this to each and every single human being. And I would especially say this to people, but not really especially, because that's just again a special kind of love, which is not true. Even to thieves and liars and cheaters and deceivers and murderers, I wish well. Of course I do. Don't I want the thief who has who has clearly confused right from wrong, justice from injustice with injustice? Um, of course I want them to know what right and wrong is. Those are the ones who especially need that kind of discernment. And so when people say, but how can I wish well? How can I love everyone? There are criminals, there are bad people, there are people who kill children, whatever. This is how, this is how, especially people like that are in need of knowing right from wrong and awareness from unawareness and the true self from the false self and ignorance and violence and all these things, the difference between all these things. So, this wishing well, which is the highest of all wishes one human being can ever wish another, I can wish this onto the criminal, I can wish this on my family, I can wish this on my dog, I can wish this on in all of nature, on everyone and everything. So this is true love. But the love that says you are special, you are worthy of my love, and I hope I am worthy of your life, and you give me that, and I give you this. And um, in a relationship, you know, one has to make sacrifices. So I expect this of you. If you can't even make a sacrifice to me, I mean, how much could I really matter to you? How important could I be? And this, look, everything connects all the time, right? This once again is thrill seeking. To want to see a sacrifice come from the loved person as a proof of their love is thrill seeking. It is to want to feel important, to want to enhance oneself, to enhance the uh present moment, to feel important, to feel like we matter, to feel like we're complete, to feel like we're special. These are all things that the ego is looking for. The ego is the one who wants to feel special and important, and in fact, wants to be the most important, the most special. And so when we are in the grips of ego and we engage another human being in any sort of relationship, necessarily it will be in this false love. And false love is in fact hate. To say you didn't sacrifice to me enough, you didn't prove your love to me enough, you didn't do things enough that you don't really want to do just because I wanted you to do them. This is hate. People only would want their enemies to be engaged in activities and situations that they themselves don't want to be in. This is what an enemy would do to an enemy, not a lover to another lover. Yet this is the very fundamental core features of a romantic relationship, as most people uh practice it and perceive it. It is a constant sacrifice making, constant proving one's love to another. Every anniversary, the gift needs to get bigger, the gesture needs to get bigger, otherwise, there's there is a perceived decline. You must love me less. All the things I've done for you over the years, and this is what you give me, this is what you this is how you show me that you love me. This is all hate. And this is why eventually it breaks apart, the cost becomes too high for this hateful relationship to continue. And then it's like, okay, now we're getting into divorce, now we're breaking up, and this was the you were the worst mistake. I gave you my youth, I gave you everything, I supported you, I sacrificed to you, and I never got anything back. This is why the most loved person, of course, it never was love, becomes the most hated person because it was always a hated person. It was always thrill seeking, and it was always false. And again, it all comes back to intention. If this is the intention, this is the way it will go. But the same exact action of wanting to find a partner, starting a family, can of course also be done with the right intention by saying, okay, we're not trying to complete each other here. We are not trying to make gods of each other, right? I sacrifice to you, you sacrifice to me. But we are starting a family. We are gonna raise children that are that know right from wrong, right? We're gonna wish them well and we're gonna teach them how to wish well to others. And we're gonna increase the awareness that is present in this world today. That's what we're doing. But again, not fighting injustice or fighting ignorance in the world by trying to produce more awareness. But just to say, this is uh the rightful thing for a human being to be engaged in. I've always wanted children. This is again a physical logistical thing. I always wanted it, and I'm gonna do it uh in the right spirit now that I know what love truly is, what truth really is, what justice really is, what um um integrity really is, what all these things really are, what goodness, beauty really is, as we talked to our previous speaker, right? Where does beauty come from? How do we perceive it? What is attachment to things? Why should we detach? Why should we practice non-attachment? All these things that we've been talking about, all these things we're just gonna um point out to the next generation that we are producing. And this is how humanity becomes uh more aware, right? Aware people, making other people aware. Of course, to make other people aware, you don't need to produce your own human beings, right? Everyone is a child already, everyone is a child of someone. So just us increasing our own awareness for our own sake necessarily is gonna rub off on uh some other people in some ways. Who knows? In the workplace, even, right? Whatever. And so one does not have to have children either, but if you feel the physical need, the logistical want for whatever reason, I mean, every everyone's different, um, then go ahead. But this is the intention I would uh recommend anyone do it, because otherwise it's just gonna turn into and already begin as hate. And it's just gonna go downhill from there. And the children that come out of a relationship like that, um, they're only gonna be experiencing more ignorance rather than less. We want to create children because we want the best for them, right? And then we give them the very worst thing: ignorance, unawareness, hate disguised as love. What are we teaching? Have we learned ourselves yet?

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

Right?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:22

So, but two aware people coming together, starting a family, starting a business, starting a hobby, a friendship, uh whatever it is, right? Two people coming together in whatever relationship, this is true love. If two aware people come together, no matter what they're doing, it'll be fine. What can happen to them? So, to answer your question, yes, of course, one can be in any kind of relationship, um, and still uh in the true way of actually loving someone, right? Both having the universal love as well as saying logistically, you and I we're together, we're partners in whatever way, and we do this together. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:10

Yes, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:14

Okay, and uh I appreciate your question. It's once again, it's one of those questions where hey, tell me logistically, you know, this is what's gonna show up in my experience. Well, what what is um the method here? What can we do to and see a result and prove it? And so hopefully this will show up uh or help you in your actual experience, right? Theory is all nice, but uh we want to see things happening in experience. We want the practice of it, right? And so this is one of those questions. I'm gonna move you back to the audience, but thank you very much for uh speaking here, for asking such a question that combines theory and practice, so to speak, right? And that's a wonderful thing. And I think I'm gonna leave it right there for today, right? Normally I would be giving uh a new question of the fortnight, but I think with this question, we are tapping into something that is so important yet so subtle at the same time that I uh I would, for my part, appreciate more time for this subtlety to become obvious to me. And if you feel the same way, I think it is worth engaging in this question of the Fortnite, which I think we haven't even asked anyone today because we didn't talk to so many people in the conversation is led somewhere else, but it's always in connection, right? The question of the Fortnite is are you a thrill seeker? This is something we have to all ask ourselves, in my opinion, because thrill seeking it can be in anything and everything. And so I just want to continue the seeing if that's okay with you. I want to continue making this subtlety uh altogether here for us to make the subtlety more obvious until it is so obvious that thrill seeking can never catch us off guard. That thrill seeking can never say, ah, I did it again, right? I think that's a wonderful thing, and it's gonna, it's changed my life, I would say completely. Right. One of those things. And so um I don't think we're there yet. I don't think we had a chance to talk about it enough yet to make it quite extremely obvious, right? To make the subtle so simple and so obvious that it cannot even be unseen anymore. And it will just naturally, effortlessly take its place in your life.