Two for the Win
Mike is a U.S. Navy Veteran and Bryan has more than a decade of civil service experience. Together, these blue collar guys dissect the latest sports headlines and events.
Two for the Win
Two For The Win - Episode 05
What if the thrill of sports could be experienced from the comfort of your own imagination? Get ready to embark on an exhilarating journey with us, Brian with an I and Mike, as we dissect the week's most electrifying moments in the NBA, NFL, and beyond. Celebrate with us as we relive the Los Angeles Dodgers' World Series triumph and analyze the Yankees’ pivotal errors, including Aaron Judge's infamous missed catch. We reminisce about the legendary Vince Carter's career and ponder Joel Embiid’s challenges this season while sending our best wishes to NBA icon Gregg Popovich.
Imagine college football with the adrenaline of March Madness! We explore hypothetical college football brackets, considering how underdog stories might unfold if the playoffs began today. Delve into the dynamics of fame through the lens of celebrities like Taylor Swift and the Kelsey brothers, while considering the importance of civic engagement. Our NFL analysis doesn’t miss a beat, examining game-winning plays, standout performances, and strategic coaching decisions, all while sharing a laugh about our own behind-the-scenes battles with seasonal colds.
The episode is filled with spirited debates over quarterback matchups, team trades, and unexpected victories. Whether it’s dissecting the Dallas Cowboys’ management decisions, debating the best QB for a make-or-break season, or speculating on the impact of recent trades, we cover it all with a mix of humor and insight. As we conclude with heartfelt tributes and gratitude, this episode promises to engage and entertain as we, Brian with an I and Mike, bring you another installment of Two for the Win. Join us for a session of sports talk that’s as lively as it is enlightening.
Hello everybody, welcome back and thank you for joining us. I'm Brian with an I and I'm Mike, and we are Two for the Win. Mike, what are we going to do tonight?
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to hit on some NBA topics. We're going to talk about week nine in the NFL, kind of recap some of that action, week 9?, and we're going to touch on the just-out NCAA playoff rankings for college football.
Speaker 1:Man that is fresh, hot off the skillet. Can't wait to get into that, and we're going to talk about the new world series, champ dodgers la dodgers. What a world series man. Let's talk about that for a second. I know, uh, right before they took the win we were just talking about, can the yankees come back?
Speaker 2:they were trying, they certainly were putting up a good effort. They came back and won when Dodgers did their bullpen game, just basically throwing whatever pitcher they could in game four. But it just didn't prove that they could do it because, you know, let's give the Yankees some credit. They did get out to a five-run lead in the fifth game and it looked like they had total command.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they started hot that game. It looked like they were on the brink of a turnaround.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, if you went to bed that night, if you saw five runs to nothing and you went to bed early because you had to get up the next night or next day to go to work, no one would have blamed you for thinking it's over. Because I mean hey, it happens, you know, if one team gets the momentum and they're heading for a win, eh, maybe I'll go to bed early, but some people probably woke up the next morning and went. What happened?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Now in that fifth game, as good as the yankees seem to have turned it around. Where do you think they went wrong, man? How do they, how did they drop?
Speaker 2:that good choice of words. Uh, so it. If you had to point to something, it had to been the ninth inning or not ninth inning, the fifth inning where the yankees just couldn't get out of their own way. You know, you had a drop ball, a routine fly ball to judge, and you've got to give it to judge. Though, In that game he hit a home run. He looked like he was coming out of his slump. He had made a brilliant play in the outfield, running down a ball and the most routine of ball. He did the little thing that all of your coaches, when you're playing Little League, say don't take your eye off the ball. What did he do? He took his eye off the ball. The ball glances off his mitt and skips away from him, allowing runners on board, and it's like oh man, and on the world stage.
Speaker 1:So millions are seeing it, and bases were loaded at that time, weren't they? Or was that not that play? I remember there was a play where they were just loaded.
Speaker 2:Oh, they kept reloading the bases. That's kind of how they came back. They just stayed loaded the second half. And it's not just him. It's not just him, I mean. You also had their pitcher not covering first base on a ground ball to the first baseman.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:You know most pitchers, they're taught automatically when that ball is hit in the infield and it's going towards that first baseman, no matter what, you go, cover first because you don't know.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:He didn't cover, he was walking on. He was acting like, oh this is good, I'm just going to walk off. But credit to Mookie Betts. He didn't give up on the play. He ran straight for first, didn't ease up one second and he beat out their first baseman Rizzo. Yeah, he was, and no, it wasn't because of a lack of his play, he just. He couldn't get to the bag before Mookie because Mookie didn't give up. He didn't give up on the play.
Speaker 1:Always gave 110, no matter what Well you never know.
Speaker 2:You never know. That's why you have to put in the effort. So you know lollygagging first. If he would have, just like kind of casually, got out the box, inning would have been over, but he ran it out and I mean it wasn't like it was decided in that inning. There were still plenty of other things to happen in the game. The Yankees still had four other innings to get the lead back and try to hold down the Dodgers, but the Dodgers just kept coming. They played like a scrappy team and they played like the team that was.
Speaker 1:you know they wanted it more.
Speaker 2:It's not to say the Yankees didn't want it, but you know when you have situations that happen in the game four, excuse me where players are going to get foul balls. Sorry, I'm fighting off a tail end of a cold.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a sluggish week for both of us. We apologize so damn. We are not dying, I promise. Merely sounds like it Not from lack of trying. Merely sounds like it. Yeah, it'd take a lot more trying than that.
Speaker 2:But you know, mookie Betts goes to field a ball and the fans try to rip it out of his glove and try to almost rip his arm off in the process.
Speaker 1:I love watching this video on repeat.
Speaker 2:Well, it's so dumb.
Speaker 1:It's dumb, super disrespectful, I mean, but you know I think what was it? Gronk said it best. I mean, whenever you have hardcore fans, hardcore fans when, given the opportunity, are going to do hardcore things, right, wrong or indifferent well, I I love their comment because it's it just adds on to the dumb statement which is you know we don't go onto the field and mess with them.
Speaker 2:They came into our area and we're going to defend our area. We're trying to help our team, numbnuts. Let me tell you something. It's called fan interference. It's an out either way. See, you didn't do Jack, you just helped him get the out.
Speaker 1:Look, I heard the New York Giants need some help on defense. Maybe you all should go try out, since you're defending so much. No, but, hey, you know I don't agree with it. You know you got to have your head all right. I think it's even better right, because they said well, could we have at least given the tickets to our family, which I thought the Yankees responded in an even better fashion.
Speaker 2:It wasn't the Yankees, it was MLB. Or the MLB, the MLB came out and said oh no, you guys aren't coming to the game and you don't have a choice in the matter, Neither is your kid. Because they're seasoned ticket holders. So to save face for the MLB, they gave the tickets to a cancer kid.
Speaker 1:And that was just brilliant, because not only is that a feel-good thing, but that also gets these two I don't want to say anything derogatory, but also it gets these two guys. I'll be, I'll be polite. It gets these two guys out of the spotlight in their moment of fame. Done okay, because it was dumb, um, and then you get another feel-good story out of it. You know so well, and you don't want to reward bad behavior. No, you don't want to reward bad behavior. And I like how they responded with that touche uh, good job by the mlb and yankees organization. Uh, handling that that way yes, yes, so moving on.
Speaker 2:Uh, we're going to touch on some NBA news.
Speaker 1:All right, starting out real quick, you know a lot of stuff happening, with not just the opening NBA season but some you know our modern-day legends are being enshrined. Last week was Dwayne Wade. This week Vince Carter's jersey is being retired. All right if you don't know enough about him. Drafted in 1998 by the Toronto Raptors, he played a whopping 22 seasons that ultimately ended up in Atlanta with the Hawks.
Speaker 1:I mean, this guy just had a monster career. I mean he earned eight All-Star selections and two NBA All-NBA nods. He's the 26th fastest player to reach 25,000 points, by the way, the first 25 players ahead of him, all of them enshrined in the Hall of Fame, nba Hall of Fame. And this guy has a legitimate stake in the game as one of the greatest in-game dunkers of all time. I mean this guy set the golden standard in the 2000 dunk contest, which was his most iconic performance, by the way. I mean I can't say enough about the career this guy has had and it seems like that, for all of these guys being in shrine, they have just done thing after thing after thing. So once again.
Speaker 2:And there's, there's something you know I want to touch on about his career. You know he came out and he was big Like he was. You know, everybody saw him, everybody knew his name, Like he was big time. But some injuries kind of took and kind of hurt his career a little bit and he started to bounce around. He started to bounce around but instead of being the type of guy who can't accept that he's not the big star anymore, he decided that he's going to accept a role off the bench and changed his way of playing. Actually Because he wasn't really known for, you know, know, come off the bench and shoot up threes. That wasn't really his game, but he learned to play that way. He learned to be a player off the bench that could come and get you some good minutes and and points yeah, off the bench, and not a lot of stars who start out. Stars are willing to take the back seat, but that's probably why his career was prolonged, because he was willing to be a team player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, and they even said you know, he became a very reliable, very good rotational player. I didn't get the number of teams he was on, but it was a handful of teams he played for. A very reliable, very good rotational player.
Speaker 2:I didn't get the number of teams he was on but it was a handful of teams he played for, just valued all around the league throughout his career. Oh yeah, he was definitely a respected member in the NBA.
Speaker 1:And transitioning from that star role to a rotational role. I mean, you know and I'm sure he was a very big mentor along with that I mean that's what you want in players you know, especially ones who know how to let go of the limelight. Okay, maybe he didn't let it go, should I say, but when your career shifts, you learn how to adapt with that and you do it gracefully, and this guy did it.
Speaker 2:Well understanding your role in the team.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know, speaking about understanding or knowing a role. Unfortunately, joel Embiid hasn't really figured out his role this year, you know, with his load management starting early. But he's starting load management the worst way you want to start it. He just got slapped with three-game suspension for shoving a media member in the Sixers presser in the locker room. I mean just come on man.
Speaker 1:He's got enough going on already. He's been under scrutiny a time or two before this. I mean, come on, man.
Speaker 2:You know it probably has to do with everything else, all the stress and all the. You know, let's face it, sixers, that Philadelphia area, they don't pull punches, so he's probably hearing it every day. He's probably hearing all the scrutiny. He probably has to answer the same question 50 times a day and you just happen to be the one that asks the question that has him irate. But you know, hopefully he figures it out and you know calmer heads prevail and he gets on the floor and shows what he can do and starts having a good season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and don't get me wrong, we're not trying to drag, you know, joelian B down man. No, no, no, you just got to learn how to deal with those situations and that level of frustration when you reach to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean it would be one thing if Joel Embiid was like a new player. Yeah, but he's not a new player. He's been in the league for a while now.
Speaker 1:And we'll hit a little bit more on stuff like this when we get down the line. You know we would get on to um jason kelsey later on, but the, you know this right on the line. Man, you just gotta. It sucks sometimes to take the high road and to be the bigger person and, yeah, you do eat a lot of pride. But you know, I don't know totally what the situation here was with imiid, but I'm hopeful he'll clean it up and get it together.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and in that same light of hoping that people are doing better, unfortunately, popovich, the Spurs coach, has taken a permanent leave of absence while he's dealing with some health issues. Don't really know the extent of it, and not that we need to know the extent of it just you know he's taking a leave of absence for health issues. I mean, pop is one of the older coaches in the league, if not the oldest, and you know the man has definitely earned his stripes in the league multiple titles under his belt while coaching the Spurs. So we just hope that you know whatever he's going through, he can pull through it and, you know, get the help he needs. You know he's definitely going to be one of those guys down the line.
Speaker 1:when his career is over, he will be in the hall of fame yeah, yeah, I mean uh long time spurs, coach, you know thoughts and prayers out to his family, out to his team. You know anybody close to him, anybody watched him. You know you're not. You never like to see people deal with things, especially things out of their control, like medical circumstances. So we wish him well and we wish him a speedy recovery and get back to the team and get back to winning man, or get back to winning with the team.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's move on to, I guess, a happier note and talk about the fresh off the press the rankings for the college football playoffs. So it's new. We've got 12 teams that are going to be set up in this, but we're going to give you all of the teams and we're going to basically explain how the bracket is set up and who will move on to play who. But we're going to start off with number 25 is Army at 8-0.
Speaker 1:Number 25, alright. Number 24, Missouri. They're sitting at 6-2.
Speaker 2:Number 23 is Clemson at 6-2.
Speaker 1:Number 22, we got Louisville sitting at 6-3.
Speaker 2:Number 21 is Washington State at 7-1. At number 20, a team that's been catching on hot here in the last couple seasons Colorado 6-2,. Sitting at number 20. Number 19, kansas State at 7-2.
Speaker 1:At 18, we got Pittsburgh 7-1. At number 17, we got Iowa State at 7-1.
Speaker 2:Number 16, Ole Miss 7-2. Number 15, LSU at 6-2.
Speaker 1:Interesting sitting right there at number 15.
Speaker 2:So now we're coming to the second team, that is out of what would be the bracket for the playoffs.
Speaker 1:The bracket for the playoffs sitting at second team out with a chance to work the way back into the bracket, possibly texas a&m number 14 now we're on to first team out just out of the bracket number 13, smu, another interesting, another interesting school in the rankings.
Speaker 2:So now what we're going to do is we're going to break down what would be the first round of the brackets as they would sit If they started today. This is how the brackets would sit. They would sit if they started today. This is how the brackets would sit. So in the first round you would have in the 12th seed.
Speaker 1:12th ranked Boise State. Take it on. 5th ranked.
Speaker 2:Ohio State and the winner of that matchup would move on to face number nine BYU. Who's in spot?
Speaker 1:number four. Yep, they got the four seed there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the next part of the bracket up in the first round would be the undefeated Indiana Hoosiers. Indiana Hoosiers I don't know why I stumbled on that so much. Such a weird name.
Speaker 1:The Hoosiers I always like saying the name.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, they're ranked number eight and they're in the ninth spot on the bracket. They will be playing the eighth spot on the bracket, which is filled by no, they're playing the ninth spot.
Speaker 1:They're the.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they're the ninth spot. They're the ninth spot.
Speaker 1:They're eighth ranked, but they're playing the eighth spot against number seven, your one and only volunteers, tennessee, sitting right there.
Speaker 2:And the winner of that matchup would move on to play number one ranked and number one spot Oregon.
Speaker 1:That will be a fun matchup for whoever makes it there. If this were to end today, that is.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, the next spot, or the next portion of the bracket, number 11 spot and number 11 ranked team Alabama would be playing the sixth spot, which is occupied by the fifth ranked team Texas, texas A&M. No, that's just Texas the Longhorns. Sorry, texas A&M was further back man. They're not even close to looking at it.
Speaker 1:Is there a slap sound we can make? Okay?
Speaker 2:we can just pretend it happened Next. So moving on to one of those teams will move on and they will go on to face the third spot, which is occupied by fourth-ranked Miami the Hurricanes. So the tenth spot is occupied by the tenth-ranked team, notre Dame, and the seventh spot is who they will be taking on, which is occupied by the sixth-ranked team in Penn State. The winner of that matchup would move on and play the number two spot occupied by the number three team, Georgia.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I know that sounds very confusing and it is In typical NCAA fashion. We're going to make it really difficult because you've got teams that are in spots on the bracket that don't reflect their ranking, and that's because of multiple factors.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know it's usually built up on what kind of teams did you play? What kind of schedule have you played, what's your overall record, how many five star recruits you have. There's a whole build up of how they make up these rankings and spots, but I can tell you right now what I see from this ranking and what they put out. College football is getting shook up and we're going to see some pretty cool football coming out of college football.
Speaker 1:I'm excited to see some of these matchups. I know this is just the first round of rankings and projections, but college football is really getting ready to heat up and I think, rankings aside, there are seven teams still undefeated.
Speaker 2:I mean dude this has tones of like March Madness.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know where people are going, you know when it comes down to March Madness and they're trying to make up the brackets and everybody's like.
Speaker 1:But we deserve to be in I mean BYU's undefeated.
Speaker 2:It's like come on, guys. There's 64 teams and you didn't get in, sorry. You know like play harder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean not saying, like you say, some of these teams aren't deserving, you know.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I'm not saying that any of these teams aren't playing hard, but this is kind of cool because it's showing this is where we rank you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you want to get in. We've kind of told you where you need to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is the barometer, you know.
Speaker 2:College football for the longest time it was. If you got one loss, it was the death sentence. You're done. You're not going to a national championship. Your season's over. You know, it was just the kiss of death. And you were just hoping for one of the under bowl games that nobody really wanted to watch. I mean, they would watch them.
Speaker 1:And your big schools really had an edge.
Speaker 2:I mean, it was just a few years ago it was like how many times did you hear Alabama's in the national championship game? Yeah, but now you know it's a little shook up. We're seeing I mean come on, the Hoosiers are undefeated and they, they have never been yeah, never been in their football program been undefeated.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of good football going on right now, especially in college. In college has always been a very interesting game on that level to watch and, given so much dynamic, so many more teams to watch as well. But, uh, I really these last couple years, but this season in particular, I'm really excited to watch the college football myself.
Speaker 2:Mike, I'm not gonna lie yeah, I mean, I hate to say it I wasn't always a fan of the college game. Only because, you know, growing up as a kid it didn't make sense to me. I understood, you know, in the nfl, when you had the teams with the best records went against each other. But when you know, I'd watch as a kid and I'm like well, wait a second, that team's undefeated too. Why don't they get a chance?
Speaker 1:why aren't they in the?
Speaker 2:championship game, the bowl game, you know well strength schedule and this, that and third, and it's like what? I don't get it yeah, but this you know, when you got a bracket you can't really argue it. You know it's kind of like everybody understands when you see march madness and you say, oh well, the 13th ranked team got beat out by the 5th ranked team, but in March Madness we always love the upsets and stuff. It's always kind of fun. Yeah, and we might see some of that.
Speaker 1:We don't know, I think we will man, especially players in the college level, moving around more freely than they used to. Yeah, college level moving around, uh, more freely, freely than they used to? Yeah, uh, I think the, the, the play field in college has definitely changed. I think the the game, as far as politically, has definitely changed. You're seeing schools have an opportunity for competition that typically would not even be in the conversation. So, yeah, uh, that's. That in itself is kind of exciting to me. I love to see the wealth get spread and I love to see a truly competitive sport. And that's how I am Competitive always brings out the best in everything.
Speaker 2:Well then also just imagine if you're an alumni of those schools and you've had a football team. But it's like we have a football team but we suck. Oh, I can relate to that. Then your team is good and they're getting ranked and now you're seeing your team has a possibility of being in a playoff.
Speaker 1:It's like oh, let me tell you about that. First of all, I can relate to that, not just as a a commander's fan. Let me take you back to high school days. Okay, brian, with an eye in high school, good old green run stallions. Okay, first of all, class of 2005 went through an entire high school career without ever experiencing a win. I myself experienced two wins one my junior year, one my senior year. Very lucky, give it. A couple years later, this team is consistently in the state rankings in the state championship for at least what? Eight to ten years now, since you know I I've been out longer than that, but I mean, just see, not that the college game has anything to do with high school. But I can relate. You know, seeing being an alumni of a school team that wasn't historically very good and then now seeing them do great things, it must be a different feeling.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah. So kudos to teams, and you know your ranking. I mean, I'm sure there are a few teams out there that feel a little bit slighted, but you know, it is what it is, college football, the way they stick out. Sometimes some of it seems unfair, but some of it you know, when it boils down to it it seems pretty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll defend him on that. As a competitor, you should feel slighted, right, Use it. You should not be okay with not getting to the next level, right. You should not say, oh okay, well, maybe next year you should feel like you fought hard, like you deserve it, and you should feel that fire.
Speaker 2:If I was the coach of any of those teams, I'm walking in that locker room, I'm putting that up on the projector or somewhere where the team can see it. Hell, I'll put it on every one of their lockers and I'll say look, they don't respect you.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:Show them.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:Fire them up, get them so pissed that they go out on that field with a fire lit under them.
Speaker 1:Shoot. I don't care if you're the number two ranked team and you've got Oregon ahead of you. I'm walking that cut. They don't think you're the best, they think this team's the best. You go in there and you show them who actually is the best. Okay, I agree with you. Competition breeds the best results. Every team should feel like they deserve it, even on the outside, looking in from an analytic view. You know, as a competitor, you should always have that fire, yeah well, if you don't, then you're not.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't be playing sports yeah, you shouldn't be in it, it's not passionate for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, speaking of passion, there was a little bit of an incident over the weekend at a college football game with a certain NFL personality, slash commentator. Slash podcast host in Jason Kelsey.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, go on back to trying to maintain yourself and take the high road. Just what we were hitting on earlier with Mr Embiid.
Speaker 2:Let's grant him some civility. I mean, in fairness, Jason was carrying a case of garage beer and had one already in hand drinking it as he was making his way across the parking lot or down the road to go to the game, wherever he was heading.
Speaker 1:Sounds like he should be headed to a presidential debate to me, because I'd vote for this guy.
Speaker 2:Well, so everybody knows he likes to drink. He's not shy about it.
Speaker 1:Again another reason I love this guy he's a fully grown man, he can do that.
Speaker 2:It's his right yeah, I mean I'll drink with him I mean as long as he's not, you know, doing anything legal, like you know, jumping in a car where it's over the legal limit and causing problems, but this is not as, not as the operator.
Speaker 2:No, this is this is not that this is so for all for most of you, if you haven't seen it or you don't know what happened. So kelsey's making his way across, he's attending one of the college, decides to say and I'm going to caution you, I don't like that. He said this, but this is what the guy said. I don't agree with what he said, nor do we have the same feelings on this. I'm just quoting what the guy said. The guy yells at Kelsey. He says hey, jason, your brother's a gay slur for dating Taylor Swift, and I guess that was the too far line, because Kelsey turned back, grabs the guy's phone and spikes it to the ground like he's trying to shoot it through the earth.
Speaker 1:First of all, I don't care what kind of music you sing or how many love songs you love, or how many love songs you love or how many love songs you've written. You'll never be gay, or, I'm sorry, you'll never be.
Speaker 2:Whatever that guy said for dating a woman like taylor, swift okay oh I don't I question whether he knows what the word meant by saying that, but I I'm not familiar the word.
Speaker 1:I didn't see all of the incident but I'm assuming it was something derogatory and something a little homophobic.
Speaker 2:Well, it was definitely homophobic, but the thing is, it has nothing to do with him dating Taylor Swift. Honestly, all it was was he was trying to get a rise out of.
Speaker 1:Jason. He was just trying to get a rise and he got that rise he wanted. I mean, Jason's a good old boy.
Speaker 2:Jason has since come out and said that he disagrees with his actions, that it was hate meeting hate and he shouldn't have done it. It was hate meeting hate and he shouldn't have done it. Albeit.
Speaker 1:I'm sure he felt great when he spiked that phone. I think he's lucky it was just the phone. To be honest with you, I mean, for it to be the phone in a sense is relatively tame, but in another sense it's still uncalled for, you know well with expense how expensive phones are now?
Speaker 2:if the guy and it might have been his whole mo, the guy might have been trying to get a rise out of him just to get him to do something like this, so he so he could sue him yeah but, let's understand that you've reached a point of stardom.
Speaker 2:When you have a podcast that gets paid by Amazon a three-year deal for $100 million, yeah, and you're doing commercials for Serial with your brother, you're kind of at a point where you can't just walk through the fans and not expect that. You know, because most of the fans you're meeting they're like oh Jason, what's up? Dude, so cool to see you. Oh, I loved when you played. Yeah, you're getting your bouquet, but there's always going to be a few that are going to be out there being dummies and yeah, and at the end of the day, like these people just can't matter to you.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter how big your platform is. If anybody's trying to get a rise out of you, you just gotta tell yourself they just don't matter. Like that man man.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, if anything, he should have just kept it moving and not said two words to the guy, or he could have turned it around and just been really funny about it and said something hilarious where he was like, oh I fully support the phone slam because if you're going to do anything out of control, at least you didn't assault the other person.
Speaker 1:Okay, I mean maybe to an extent, but like as far as maintaining yourself, don't get me wrong right Back to taking the high road. It's hard and it sucks, but you gotta tell yourself like it doesn't have anything to do with him being a star and this person being a fan of the crowd. On a personal level, if somebody's attacking you, you've just got to tell yourself these people they don't matter, man, because they don't know you Well, okay, my feeling is you always have the option to walk away.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, there are points. Everybody has that pushing point when you push them too far. This was one of them. Now, Jason has not had a collection of incidences or things that you can point to and be like he's a bad person.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:No, I mean case in point. The man, while he's attending a Chiefs-Bills game, sees a little girl who's probably six years old and has a Taylor Swift sign that says I love you, taylor Swift. And the guy jumps out of the box with no shirt on, shirt on cold, cold as all get out, because Buffalo goes down there and asks the mom and daughter to come up to the box to meet Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:Yeah, such a horrible guy and you know, oh, you know that's sweet too. But honestly, I love some people are think he's quote overexposed. Honestly, I love his character and I love the influx of new personality I wouldn't say that he's overexposed.
Speaker 2:I would say his brother is overexposed and taylor is overexposed, because everywhere you look, yeah, I mean. I mean and Grant, don't get me wrong, Taylor she's been in spotlight, she has earned everything she's gotten, she has worldwide fame, so of course she's everywhere.
Speaker 1:She's a world superstar.
Speaker 2:So when you take somebody like Kelseysey, who's just a football star and is moderately known, let's face it his stardom is not on the same level as taylor's no, and I probably never will be.
Speaker 1:But don't get me wrong. Like Taylor is such a superstar, right, she might be a bigger household name than Beyonce, dolly Parton, elvis, marilyn Monroe. I mean some of these huge classic names that have come over the years, her last tour generated a billion dollars.
Speaker 2:Yes, she is bigger and I know right now there's probably some people listening. They're like god, why are you talking about her?
Speaker 1:we're talking, we're talking about the significance, right, like she's, the it's. It's almost the same as having a president or a national leader attend your games. Right, it bring, it just brings attention. It extra-eyes, it brings attention and people are oh, taylor Swift's in the house tonight. It could be Elvis I almost said Diddy, but we're not going to use him tonight. But it could be Kendrick.
Speaker 2:Lamar, somebody will be using him some nights here in the future.
Speaker 1:It could be a lot of these big name people. I I mean, if you said taylor swift and barack obama are sitting next to each other, probably people would not bat an eye. Or you know whoever is going to be president next, you know nobody would probably bat an eye. But if you said you know, um, what's just a slightly lower. If you said said Travis Kelsey, for instance, is going to be sitting next to Donald Trump, you'd be like all right, cool, but why? But nobody questions it about Swift, how huge her name is. Right, and I try to jump on her, you know.
Speaker 2:You mentioned something there that I kind of want to hit on. It is election day and for those of you that went out and voted, thank you. I don't really care who you voted for, but I appreciate that you guys took the time to go use your voice and vote. There are many countries out there that don't have that right and they want it. They want to have a say, they want to have the ability to you know, choose their leaders, and they don't get that opportunity.
Speaker 2:It's a blessing that we do have that right and you know, as a former service member, I can tell you that a lot of people have thanked me for my service and you know, one of the things they say is like we appreciate having our right to vote and for you, protecting that right. And I could tell you that I never really felt the magnitude of that until I would go in other countries and see how deplorable some of the living situations and the disparagement between classes were and still are in most of these places, and it is a blessing are in most of these places and it is a blessing so you know if you voted thank you and you know, keep doing so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's, it's a thing that you know, some people take it, take it for granted.
Speaker 1:But yeah and certainly don't and I want to echo that sentiment as well as you're saying that you know, as you mentioned, you know Mike here, former Navy serviceman. Again, thank you for your service, guy. You are one of the many reasons we were able to have the democratic process and election and the rights that we have today, the time you put in to help protect those rights.
Speaker 2:Well, and the free speech to have this podcast.
Speaker 1:The free speech to have these podcasts things we do. So thank you for your sacrifice, brother. This is a veteran-friendly podcast. I'm not prior service myself Mike is. But we both today are involved with Department of Defense work ourselves. We won't go too far into detail on that Department of Defense work ourselves. We won't go too far into detail on that. But you know the election politics and the protection of our country and rights is a very big thing to both of us. So again, thank you, mike, for your service and thank you to everybody else out there who is a current service member, former service member, veteran, retired. Thank you for all the time and years you guys put in for us to be able to have the day that we're having today.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. So let's move off of all those side topics and let's start talking some NFL action. Oh, yes, because we had a very exciting weeknight, the moment we've all been waiting for NFL.
Speaker 1:It is time let's dive right in to a hot week nine.
Speaker 2:Which game there was a splash there on that dive. Must have been an empty pool.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to who we were talking about for upsets. Okay, uh, you chose miami over the bills, I chose the broncos.
Speaker 2:Obviously, neither of these picks worked out for us well, I mean miami put up a pretty good fight against those bills. It came down to last team with the ball. You did did have a good pick on that. They were back and forth, they fought hard.
Speaker 1:Miami seemed like they got in it a little bit late.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they just didn't had. They probably came out and threw some punches early. They might have been able to squeak out the win. But overall it was a good game. I mean, if you saw the game, you definitely saw some very fun and exciting football. It came down to a last-second I think it was 61-yard field goal by Bass to get the win. That's no slouch in Buffalo, mind you.
Speaker 1:And that, and you know the Broncos are still still five and four. I'm rather impressed they have such a middle of the pack record. Not really sure what to believe, but the ravens took it to the house. I mean 41, 10. Uh, the broncos, they seem like they're catching on man. They seem like they're starting to catch on a little bit, catching aing, a little bit of traction. They're putting up some points.
Speaker 2:But this is not. Let's also keep in mind that they have a rookie quarterback yeah, bo Nix. This is their first real taste of taking on one of the top tier teams in the NFL. Yeah, one of the top tier teams in the NFL.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you know, knowing Sean Payton through the years, seeing how he is with his younger teams, this was probably a measuring stick game, and what I mean by that is this is their taste of you're going against the best, and this is where you shake out, where you weigh against the best and you see what you did well and what you did bad, and you use it to make yourself better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I know it sounds like a lot of jargon talk and a lot of empty answers, but, but that's essentially what you do in a loss against a big team. It was a litmus test. This is where you use every bit of that game your special teams, your offense, your defense the whole time to see how you can improve your team, because if this is a team that's destined to be in the playoffs, well, we want to be there too. So the only way that's going to happen is if we look at ourselves on tape and compare what we did wrong there and said how can we do better in that? Yeah, and Sean Payton's an experienced coach, he'll figure it out, he'll get those guys in line and and nobody saw them being five and four right now.
Speaker 1:I bet New Orleans is missing Sean Payton. They've lost seven straight.
Speaker 2:They're literally just finding new ways to lose, week in and week out, man well, not only did they lose, but but the Saints said we're firing the coach. They fired their coach after this loss.
Speaker 1:Fire their coach, Ship their all-pro quarterback off to the commanders. Derek Carr is he injured or is he just benched? I forgot what's going on. They're running with Rattler here recently.
Speaker 2:He's been hurt.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, tough, another one man.
Speaker 2:Let's not skip over the fact that the Panthers shook out a win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to get. While we're talking about the Saints, actually the 2-7 Panthers shook out a win over New Orleans. I got to give it to the Panthers. They deserve to get a win here, orleans, I gotta give it to the panthers. They, they deserve to get a win here, man yeah, they fought hard yeah, they did they.
Speaker 1:They're trying, man. Uh, how about the jets beating the texas? Now? Does this mean that the jets are what they say they are, or is this just a fluke? What do you? What do you make of this? All right, because the texans are. You know, they're missing nico collins, a couple pieces. They're still rolling a little bit. They're six and three. They're not in bad shape, uh, but they just lost 21 to 13 and they seemed like, especially in the second half, man, it just seemed like they did not get it together. What do you make of this?
Speaker 2:I think that what this is is a multiple offensive pieces missing for the texans and the defense of the jets living in the backfield of the texans, so you're missing some of their offensive line help as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:On the Texans due to injury. They were on them as you touched on Nico Collins and Diggs, who's out for the year with the ACL tear, so you're missing some of your bigger weapons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, some of your bigger weapons. Yeah, you know, and when you have Quentin Williams and Hassan Redick and oh my God, I'm forgetting the other guys' names, but their defensive linemen were in the backfield. It seemed like almost every play they sacked. They got eight sacks in that game, so that's doing some work. I mean, they were on them all game long and it's hard to throw a ball and hard to do something. So what did they do? They turned to the run game. I mean, mixon had over 100 yards and a touchdown, but he can't do it alone.
Speaker 1:No, but he can't do it alone. No, and you know. The other thing is, you know, Garrett Wilson's Air Jordan pose catch in the end zone. Oh, my God what a turning point for the game.
Speaker 2:to be honest with you, If you haven't seen Garrett Wilson's catch, just go look. I mean it's up there with like like I hate to say it the odell beckham catch, kind of I think it might.
Speaker 1:I think it might be better.
Speaker 2:I mean the odell beckham catch that was contorted, that's the best I can describe it well, well, I I just want to point out something that you know with the odell beckham catch and and the Tyree catch in the Super Bowl, in order for those to be amazing catches, they both had to be equally horrible passes and they were both thrown by the same quarterback in Eli Manning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the David Tyree catch lives forever. Man, I remember watching that happen live. I don't even remember replaying it. I remember watching it.
Speaker 2:I remember watching it too, I just remember on my TV. I remember sitting there going they got him, they got him. Oh, he got the ball.
Speaker 1:Hey, he caught it on his head. He has the ball.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. He had to have dropped that because it was coming off Like he had it on his helmet, but he's going down.
Speaker 1:No, it didn't touch the ground, it wasn't bobbled.
Speaker 2:He caught it on his head. I mean, I caught a football on my face once. I just remember, because I was watching the game with a bunch of Patriots fans so I kind of was pulling for the Patriots because I'm in a room full of them and it's like I really didn't have a stake in the game. I just, you know, I kind of wanted the undefeated season to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:More so for Moss than it was for the Patriots, because I liked Randy Moss. But I mean you didn't.
Speaker 1:I agree with you, it was like I wanted it to happen. But at the same time I wanted to see the Giants play. Spoiler Now, when I was a little younger sorry, a lot younger and a little more naive than I am now I kind of liked the giants a little bit. Back then. I think I was hoping for them to win, just because I wanted to see the the scowl on tom brady's face. But you know, I wonder now, right?
Speaker 1:and you did yeah, I wonder now right, what does tom brady think? Is that like do? Is that just the one that got away? You think to him?
Speaker 2:No, I guarantee you, he's still upset about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bet if he could have one game back. I wonder if that would be it.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, with the Tom Brady roast they missed an opportunity to mess with Brady. You just have Eli holding the two trophies. Come walking into the banquet room, Don't say nothing to anybody, Just kind of walk in like he's looking for a seat and then go. I don't think I'm in the right hall and then we'll just walk out. You mean, that would have been so perfect, because the look on Brady's face, if he's looking out in the crowd like who invited that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, imagine Brady being like hey, eli, can I try those on? I just want to see how they'd feel with the other seven. Just you know, I just want to see how they feel. Okay, here you can have them back. Just, man, maybe I won't give them back, maybe we'll just lease them and have logos changed and pretend your reality is fake. What else we looking at here, man? The bangles 41, 24 on the raven raiders. Let's not pretend any of us are surprised about that kind of game.
Speaker 2:Um, let's see here how about those hardball lead chargers? The? Charge beating down on those, those on the Browns.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah. Jk Dobbins had a good game. The Chargers offense overall had a good game. The Browns, you know, honestly, I expected you know Jameis Winston looked good against the Ravens.
Speaker 2:He didn't look too good this week no, because Jameis Winston played like Jis winston when he was in tampa throwing picks, trying to force things when they weren't there. Yeah, and that that's kind of you have to ride the roller coaster with jamis yeah, he yeah. He's going to give you amazing, but he's also not afraid to throw it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You don't get 30 for 30 when you're afraid to throw.
Speaker 1:And that reminds me a little bit I'm going to jump a little bit over to the Chiefs for just a second when Patrick Mahomes was about to get pulled out for a play or two and they're like Wentz is warming up, Mahomes is like nah, I'm good, bro, I'm good we ain't putting Wentz in today, bro, I'm good we're going. Andy Reid later would say he probably has the loosest ankles in the NFL In the country.
Speaker 2:Look, that has got to be the most easy paycheck in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Sit behind Patrick Holmes, you don't have to do shit, man these guys grab that bench and and I'm gonna be honest, man, I thought the bucks, I thought this was a relatively, I thought this was a relatively, uh, equal game, right, uh, the chiefs and the bucks both are missing top targets, right, two each. They're missing their starting running back. Okay, they're relying on some fill-ins of secondary players, but they both have quarterbacks with the ability to ball out. And don't get me wrong, mahomes, although they are undefeated, mahomesomes has relatively been a middle-of-the-pack, manageable quarterback. Okay, all that matters right now is wins and losses, and that's what he's getting them is wins.
Speaker 2:He's coming up clutch. He has that clutch gene, as we've stated before.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter. I mean, like Mayfield is balling out right now, he might be one of the best quarterbacks this season, but their team's only 4-5, right compared to the 8-0 team they just faced and they had a legitimate shot to win that. They went to overtime.
Speaker 2:Which, mind you, probably should have never happened. And here's why they should have gone for two. The typical thing when you're on the road, you go for two. When you get the game-tying score, go for two, go for the win. Now, granted, I know Bowles and this is typical of him. It's the same way he was with the Jets. He coaches like he's scared, a little timid, we'll just go to overtime. Well, the look on Baker's face with the coin toss and he saw that it was heads instead of tails, and Mahomes is getting the ball. He knew.
Speaker 2:Like he tilted his head back and he looked like damn it Mahomes is getting the ball he knew Like he tilted his head back and he looked like, damn it, Mahomes is getting the ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:And that was it. That's all they needed. They went down the field, came on to the end zone, game over.
Speaker 1:And it didn't even look hard, bro. They got it done relatively quick. I mean again, the Chiefs get it done, man, they're 8-0. I mean it's not like they're. I mean it's not like they're playing lights out. It's not like they have a shit ton of talent. I mean they do, they're not blowing teams out yeah, but they're playing.
Speaker 2:they're winning, though they're playing enough they're winning.
Speaker 1:I mean, I remember that first match against you know, week one against the Ravens. You know they almost lost, but they again last minute. Mahomes with the ball in his hand, he gets the W. Last thing you want is the Chiefs down with the ball in their hands with an opportunity to go down the field at the end of the game.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. Let's talk about your Commander's game.
Speaker 1:Oh Lord, I'm glad you said it and not me. First of all, I just want to point something out right, jn Daniels is nearly 72% completion percentage for a starting rookie, which is the most in NFL history. And compare that They've only turned the ball over three times through eight games, right, nine games. They've only turned the ball over three times, which is the most for an NFL franchise and NFL history to start a season. This team is playing incredibly efficient on offense. Defense needs to tighten up a little bit. I'm not going to say they had an easy win against the Giants, it's a divisional game.
Speaker 2:Divisional games usually are a little tougher because you see these teams twice, a year, every year.
Speaker 1:I know the Giants scored here and there, but there was not a moment in that game where it didn't feel like Washington wasn't in complete control.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean the scores don't always tell how the game really was. I mean, case in point, the Patriots and Titans game.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Even though May came up with the loss. Drake May was playing out of his mind in that game Like he was making things happen. Now, granted, on the one play where he's dipping and diving and moving around in the backfield just looking for somebody to throw to in the end zone, and he finally throws it up and everybody's going oh my God, he hit somebody with the pass. He got it to the running back, stevens. Now everybody's giving the offensive lineman a lot of crap on that play because he's looking for somebody to block the whole time and he's just kind of standing there moving left to right going who do I block? Who do I block? There's nobody here. What do I do? It was hilarious.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If you haven't seen it, go look up the video. It's really funny.
Speaker 1:That was interesting Titans 2-6. 20 get the win over Patriots 17-2-7.
Speaker 2:Patriots really had a chance to pull that game out. A late interception ended it. It's probably making making May feel like crap because he probably felt like he let his team down. But you can see what the Patriots saw when they took May and he's making this offense go and there's promise there. This is what you want when you're a rebuilding team. You want to see that your players are getting better. And May is getting better as they go along and it looks like the coaching's there because he's not making a lot of the same mistakes and he seems to be a little more efficient each week.
Speaker 1:So it's showing. I think Gerard Mayo was probably about as perfect a fit as you can get for the Patriots while you're over there dying.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because you're good bro, Because I I mean he played for Belichick his whole career, right, didn't join the coaching staff, so he's got. He's probably taken some notes and taken some pages. You know he probably took some notes from Tom Brady. I thought he was a very good pick for head coach to replace Belichick. I mean, those are going to be huge shoes to fill. You already knew it and they really had to put in some thought into who they picked. So I'm eager to see this team progress. Another team I'm eager to see progress. I'm going to skip over one real quick One. I've actually been watching for a couple years. They haven't quite turned the corner yet, but they are competitive in their matchups. The Jaguars, Okay, they do get blown out here and there, but I mean they fit 23-28 against the Eagles. I didn't see that game.
Speaker 2:I saw Saquon Barkley's highlight reel but that's another one where the score doesn't really tell the whole story, because the Eagles just had more plays that came out their way than the Jaguars did. Because the Jaguars were playing them tough all game long and really looked like they were priming for a comeback. They just fell short.
Speaker 1:And bro Saquon Barkley. I'm just going to say this right now he had a hell of a game. He keeps on having a hell of a game. Is he the best player in the NFL right now?
Speaker 2:one of. But I will say this I don't even know what to call that move.
Speaker 1:He did that backwards hurdle I don't know, but given it's halloween, it was halloween, it was scary. He needs to name that and try to you know well it, dude.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's scarier for the defender or scarier for him, Because if you don't jump high enough, then you're catching a face mask and helmet right into the butt. Yeah, or you know the guy that's trying to get to you. He's going to get a face full of your butt right there on his face mask.
Speaker 1:Well, good thing, we wear pads, right.
Speaker 2:Hopefully you're not gassy at the time, Morty. Or you might just be right there to catch it.
Speaker 1:Hey, they got tailbone pads for a reason it won't be all bad and you got a face mask. I mean there's some separation there.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying hey, the face mask can prevent a few farts in your face man, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Well, don't tackle him that hard, he won't fart.
Speaker 2:Hey, you're telling me if something just happens to punch you in the backside it might not make you go.
Speaker 1:oh, First of all, I grew up in wrestling and let me tell you what when people get slammed, they fart.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, don't let nobody lie to you, so you don't. I'm just saying I don't know who the play is more scarier for there If it doesn't go the way it went.
Speaker 1:He ate a cloud, but he stopped the first down and he's getting over the sideline for some medicine. I think he's a little sick now. He's a fresh oxygen. Your face mask smells yeah, he needs some oxygen there. I don't know, we don't live on methane, yeah so that Cardinals-Bears game, that was one.
Speaker 2:The Cardinals owned that game from start to finish. The Bears didn't even have a chance. And now I know what you're thinking People are going to want to throw it on Caleb Williams and say that it's his fault that they didn't move the ball. They couldn't do anything. And I'm here to tell you no, it's not on him.
Speaker 2:No I agree with you. Now here's why I say this Go back and actually look at the game. Go back and look at the game. There are points in that game when Caleb Williams is looking for somebody to throw to and his receivers' backs are to him. They're not even looking at him. And then there's another point in the game where four of his receivers are all in the same spot, not like they're all on the same field. They're literally all on the same side of the field, within a few yards of each other. Yeah, you can't do plays like that, and I think it's coming down to coaching. They will be firing their coach this year, guarantee it, because they need an offensive coach to help get this offense right, because the way they're calling plays doesn't look like they're doing anything building towards something.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It just looks like they're calling plays, you know, because why do you have a running back who just disappears at times, like he's not? Even Swift is a good back, yeah, but there are moments when it doesn't even look like they're calling plays for him to gain anything at all. So, unfortunately, the bears are having to wear it because of bad, bad play calling yeah, I knew that.
Speaker 1:I know there was some controversy around everfloss here recently. Ever everfloss, whatever, ever floating away. I think is how I said I was gonna pronounce his name from now on. But that's not neither here nor there. Um, you know it. Just, there's a lot of factors. Caleb williams yeah, he's a rookie quarterback. Okay, the standard is extremely high, especially for first overall draft picks. Okay, um, doesn't mean they're always going to perform and I'm not saying I'm honestly, this has been flashes with caleb, so I'm not going to call him a bust either. Uh, but the team overall as a whole, I think, especially when it comes to play calling uh and the way they utilize some personnel, I think they need to make some improvements, maybe make some changes. They have a team, it's just I don't know if they've totally figured out their identity or what they're doing. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Well, another thing, they're tight end. Had no throws, no throws to them. None Commit, yeah, no throws to him None Kemet. Yeah, no, throws to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean this guy. Look at Tied in. I mean a lot of people argue it hasn't really been a good season for Tied in. But I beg to differ. I mean, if you find Kemet a little bit more, that opens up your receivers a little bit more that opens up some running lanes, because that's the third dynamic you now have to cover for.
Speaker 2:But I just don't see Kemet or really any of the Titans heavily involved.
Speaker 1:Bad play calling yeah, emphasis on bad Less on the play calling, but shifting gears here, all right, there's eight division. What we're not done with the scores.
Speaker 2:No, we're probably nine.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, so another game, divisional game that we didn't touch on, yet we didn't talk about the lions and green bay, green bay, yeah, oh yeah, it's a couple that I'm moving a little bit fast here. Lions and green bay man, uh, green bay six and only put up 14 points. These guys have been balling out. Does that say something about the Lions, or does that say something about Green Bay?
Speaker 2:Well again, the score, though, is not indicative of how the game was. No, Because the game was more like all Lions, not so much Green Bay.
Speaker 1:Look. I got to say I really admire the Lions offense.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, they did a very good job drafting those players and developing that offense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean they just have a whole different game plan every week. Man, you don't see the same plays very often.
Speaker 2:Play calling yeah Something that Bears are lacking. Often play calling yeah something that bears or lack oh yeah, ben johnson dan campbell together, so I think, really, what that game entails.
Speaker 2:I mean, yes, it was a crappy weather game, but I think it has more to do with the fact that Love was a little hurt and he's a little more far of being reckless than he is with being Rogers and being precise. So not that he necessarily is all to blame for the loss. You know it's a team game. They lost as a team, you know, because their defense wasn't stopping the Lions I mean the Lions were I mean made it look easy.
Speaker 1:The other thing to add to that we know he's limited. Jordan Love. We know Jordan Love's dealing with hamstring injury. Do you think that played a factor in that performance?
Speaker 2:I thought it was a groin injury.
Speaker 1:It was a groin injury. My apologies. No, the hamstring injury was Dak.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dak got hurt in the Falcons game.
Speaker 1:Yo Dick Prescott, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2:Another team that doesn't really seem to have anything going for them because they're kind of going backwards, but Atlanta, a team that's leading their division and looking like a good squad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, look, I need the Kirk Cousins haters to sit down.
Speaker 2:Well, they had reason to stand up, they did In the beginning. When you go to the playoffs and you don't perform, or when you have primetime games and you don't show out, people are going to hate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the fact that he kept getting the contracts he was getting and the fact that he was putting up the numbers he was putting up and producing the winning seasons that he was producing is why Atlanta was willing to pay that money to get him down to Atlanta. Yeah, and try to take this squad of some decent players and go for a winning season.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I agree, I mean after he tore his Achilles, you know, I mean Minnesota was quick to try to move off of him.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it had more to do with Kirk didn't want to be the bridge guy for JJ.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he wanted to be the guy, but then you know he went up in Atlanta with the same thing and then you know. So he's kind of like, well, wait a second. Yeah, he's like wait a minute.
Speaker 2:I could have just stayed throwing passes to Jefferson in Minnesota.
Speaker 1:But honestly he responded. Well, because he's balling out man. He's like nah, ain't nobody come take my job, bro. That's a real baller right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean what he hit Darnell Mooney for three touchdowns. That was just Mooney.
Speaker 2:I don't think he had three with Mooney, but because I know Ray McLeod had a touchdown in that game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Where's the score at?
Speaker 2:It was 27-21. I mean, dallas fought, yeah, dallas.
Speaker 1:So they're funny, right, they need a quarterback, but they traded for a receiver.
Speaker 2:Well, they have their quarterback, they have Dak.
Speaker 1:He's on injured reserve now.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, now he has a hamstring injury and that's a funny thing because they put him on IR. That's a funny thing because they put him on IR, which is basically almost dooming the season from this point on, because he's a mandatory four weeks, can't come back, so we're not going to see him until December.
Speaker 1:Well, they gave up. I mean, I think they overpaid a little bit for Mingo, who they just acquired today.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but they overpay. Yes, they did. They gave up a fourth round pick for Mingo, but they took a fifth round pick when they sent out.
Speaker 1:It was multiple picks. They acquired a seventh round pick with Mingo.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about that trade. I'm talking about the year before they traded to the Browns. They traded away Amari Cooper for a fifth round pick, but you're going to bring in Mingo for a fourth round pick. So are you telling me Mingo's a better receiver than Amari Cooper? First of all, by the way. Nobody would say that.
Speaker 1:By the way, I just want to point out, CeeDee Lamb, Jalen Tolbert and Jake Ferguson are all still on the Cowboys. Jalen Tolbert's been a solid number two in the absence of Brandon Cooks.
Speaker 2:Who's coming back from injured reserve, so they're going to have Brandon Cooks. Why did they trade for this guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree. I just don't understand. It's my fault, even if you're not going to go after another quarterback.
Speaker 2:Let me say one other thing on that. Yeah, really I don't understand this trade at all. So you trade for this guy who he's not a separator, he does not create separation on his routes. He's not known as a high point guy, he's kind of a slot receiver. So unless you engineer something up to get him open, you're not going to get much out of him.
Speaker 1:I mean, he wasn't even doing anything, I mean he was buried on the depth chart before they traded. Deontay Johnson Wasn't really involved in the game plan.
Speaker 2:He was like a four on their squad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm not trying to knock Mingo. Okay, I'm knocking this trade.
Speaker 2:I am.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm knocking this trade. I am well, I'm knocking this trade right, like why you you're good man even with the tight ends in factor, like you're good at receiver. You just paid cd lamb. You should have, in my opinion, you should have gone after a running back or at least a rotational quarterback, because you don't even have that right now.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you what they should have done and they're not going to do it because Jerry's stubborn. They should have sold.
Speaker 1:The whole franchise. I agree.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. Jerry should sell, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Jerry's going to retire.
Speaker 2:No Damn it. Sell off assets for the future.
Speaker 1:Just like Marvel Comics.
Speaker 2:I know Jerry doesn't want to do it, but you have assets right now that would fetch a killing. Sell them off, trade them away, get your picks and rebuild, because that's where you are. You've paid a quarterback, an obscene amount of money. Who is?
Speaker 1:middle of the road, and before you paid him, you paid a middle-of-the-road running back an obscene amount of money, yeah, and then you brought him back, and then you brought him back, and then you brought him back two seasons later, and it's because both of them are just sorry, you know. Yeah, they're sorry. They came back to the old ex-girlfriend is what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just the circus of the Cowboys just keeps on giving.
Speaker 1:I never thought I heard circus and Cowboys in the same sentence.
Speaker 2:But here's the best out of that game. A camera caught Dak Prescott on the sideline saying to his teammates he's sitting there and he goes.
Speaker 1:We fucking suck yeah, you always have, so at least at least one cowboy is aware.
Speaker 2:At least one of them is aware, look from a commander's perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, y'all have always sucked, but it's not necessarily logistically true, but right now it definitely is. First of all, I don't, I'm gonna take an unpopular it. Well, it might be more popular than unpopular, but, um, I don't think dak prescott. Dak prescott is a starting quarterback. I think he's a manager. I think he is a starting quarterback. I think he's a manager. I think he's a bridge quarterback. He's got skill to get you there.
Speaker 2:Okay. So if you're going to say that, why don't we play this game?
Speaker 1:I love games.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to give you a, a quarterback, and you tell me, would you rather have dac or would you rather have that quarterback?
Speaker 1:you know, because I'm a commander's fan. No, no, no, always. I mean the other one.
Speaker 2:I mean seriously, you're starting a franchise, okay, and you, you have all the pieces my franchise is called the flamingosos. You just need a quarterback.
Speaker 1:We're the Virginia Flamingos.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you just need a quarterback to run your offense. You've got good pieces everywhere else. You just need a quarterback. Yes, okay, okay. So I'm going to name a quarterback and then you tell me if you want Dak quarterback or if you want Dak Okay, all right, mm-hmm if you want. Dak. Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, that's the game, gotcha. Russell Wilson, tim Tebow. Sorry, wrong game. Okay, yeah, I'm taking Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2:Okay, what if I give you Young?
Speaker 1:Vince Young.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Panthers Young, oh, bryce Young, the new age Young. Vince Young. No, panthers Young, oh, bryce Young, the new age, Young. Yeah, I'm still going to take Bryce Young, simply because of age. He's younger. Age is not a factor.
Speaker 2:It's one season, all in.
Speaker 1:I mean, why do you do these things to me?
Speaker 2:I'm just saying like would you take all in season? You can only have one or the other. Which one are you taking?
Speaker 1:I'm going to be stubborn and pick Young, but I know I should probably pick Dak. But this is why I'm not an NFL executive or a coach, Nick. What's next?
Speaker 2:Daniel Jones Fuck.
Speaker 1:Why do we do these things to ourselves?
Speaker 2:Are you going to take Daniel Jones or are you going to take Dak?
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie. Are you going to take Daniel Jones or are you going to take Dak? I'm not going to lie. Let's see here. Let's weigh the pros and cons here. Dak just simply plays for the Cowboys. Might be the only legitimate reason I don't like him. Daniel Jones plays for the Giants. I'll probably take Dak. I'll take Dak Prescott in this one, because I don't like Daniel Jones more than I don't like Dak Prescott.
Speaker 2:You've got to take that out of it. This is just.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I don't like them for legitimate reasons. This has nothing to do with me being a Camarons fan.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, all right. So would you take Derek Carr or Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1:Derek Carr all day.
Speaker 2:Okay, would you take Bo Nix or Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1:So you're talking about a guy who has like nine games of experience versus a guy who's got like nine years of failure behind him. Well, I'm being serious, not nine years. Dak has some accomplishments. He's made the playoffs once. Multiple times Twice. Honestly, I really want to run with Bo Nix here. I think Bo Nix is a little better people give him credit for, but I think, just given the stats, yes, a smart person would take Dak Prescott, but it depends on how you view Dak Prescott, okay.
Speaker 2:Will Levis or Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1:See, now we're getting into culture and developmental problems.
Speaker 2:I'm just talking about those players, not their surroundings, just those players.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean you'd probably take Dak Prescott. Let's be real there.
Speaker 2:Okay. So there's a scenario in this whole thing where I'm pointing out the fact that, yes, you probably would take dac over some quarterbacks that are in the nfl I hate you for that, but yes, you're right yeah, you're gonna hate me for that, but but the problem.
Speaker 2:Look, I can be realistic here the player alone yeah you gotta weigh that yeah I mean yeah, yeah. For For years I watched Russell beat my Niners, but for some of these but when I take him over a lot of the other players in the NFL during his heyday. You're damn right, I would have.
Speaker 1:But for some of these players you're looking at, you know what you're getting with them. Like Dak, you have an idea of what he can do. Bo Nix and Will Levis you don't know their peak yet, like they're just starting out.
Speaker 2:It's not really a.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:That's not the point of the game. The point of the game is to point out that he's better than you think, and you're going to hate me when I say this. Maybe Did you know that his stats are comparable to Kirk Cousins Dak's. Yes, did you know that his stats are comparable to Kirk Cousins?
Speaker 1:Dax, yes, they're comparable.
Speaker 2:Okay, they're almost identical.
Speaker 1:Even the primetime losses.
Speaker 2:No, Dak had them over that. Dak had primetime wins where he had losses, okay, but the point I'm trying to make is they're almost the same quarterback Kind of makes it hit a little different, doesn't it? It makes sense, because neither one has really.
Speaker 1:I mean, Dak is definitely Cowboys franchise quarterback. Cousins has franchise quarterback caliber talent, but he just hasn't been the guy. They're both.
Speaker 2:B quarterbacks. They're not A A plus quarterbacks, they're B quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I can't say I disagree with that. Yeah, I give them high Bs Dak. You know he works with what he got, just being real here.
Speaker 2:You know he's not yeah, he's definitely had a lot more than some yeah, but you know Kirk, kirk, you know he's, he takes some time.
Speaker 1:He's balling, balling out. He'd come back from the Achilles.
Speaker 2:I mean, the thing with Kirk is the prime time record doesn't have a very good which he's won on prime time these last few, the last few primes he's had. So but he's kind of dispelled that myth.
Speaker 1:I think he's in now. He was in a good situation in Minnesota, don't get me wrong, but I think in Atlanta they really are catering to him a little more. Okay, he had Justin Jefferson in Minnesota at the time in the beginning, and he had Diggs. Before that Diggs and Dalvin Cook was around for a short period, so there are a lot more superstars and Atlanta, yeah, he's got Mooney and a couple other guys, but he really is kind of in London. Yeah, london's young, but he is really the star right now. He's not sharing the spotlight with anybody. That offense is totally catered to him, which it was not totally catered to him in Minnesota or in.
Speaker 1:Washington.
Speaker 2:So getting back on track away from our little side debate on that, that Rams-Seahawks game was a tight one. Yeah, good divisional matchup in Seattle. Little rain play in that game had a little altercation with Pukunukuwa, you know, punching somebody and getting ejected, yeah, which really made it harder for the Rams, but they still managed to get the win there. Yeah, you know, despite it. Yeah, I mean, and that's with their running game not really working because Kyron Williams didn't really have a big game. That game, you know, they basically were just throwing the ball all over the yard.
Speaker 1:Where the?
Speaker 2:you know Seahawks, they just didn't have their number one receiver.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean they didn't have DK Metcalf. He was injured. By the way, lockett and Jackson Smith and Najiba went off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were carrying that team, they were trying, they just didn't have enough to come back. And then the Sunday night game being the Vikings and the Colts, that game, I thought for sure that the Vikings were going to just mollywop them. I thought they were going to come out and just sling the ball and do them. But credit to the Colts' defense for stepping up and making things happen. You know they were really holding back and the 49ers they were on by this week, right yeah.
Speaker 1:So I'm just pulling up some division looks right there. That was the Seahawks and the Rams game.
Speaker 2:No, I was talking about the Colts and Vikings game.
Speaker 1:The Colts and Vikings game as well. Yeah, yeah, that one let me down a little bit, man I was expecting more. I expected more of the Vikings. The Vikings, man. They started out so strong, but I don't know what they're doing the last couple weeks. They seem to struggle a little bit, man. What do you think? Well, I mean, they got the win. They did get the win, but they're just not playing as fluid or as hard. I don't know what it is, but they did struggle against Indianapolis in this game a little bit.
Speaker 2:I think it's because teams have game tape on them now, yeah, and so they're going to have to adjust. I think it's because teams have game tape on them now, yeah, and so they're going to have to adjust. If you don't adjust, you're not going to be able to keep doing the same things week in, week out and get wins later in the year.
Speaker 1:Now, do you think Sam Darnold is still the answer here?
Speaker 2:He's not meant to be the answer. He's a bridge quarterback.
Speaker 1:I mean, he's playing lights out.
Speaker 2:Yes, he's playing to have a job elsewhere because JJ McCarthy is going to be. He's coming up, yeah.
Speaker 1:I keep forgetting McCarthy's in the background.
Speaker 2:Well, he got hurt and is out the year, so that's why and is out the year, so that's why. Now looking forward to Week 10 here. What we got going up there bud. Well, week 10 is going to kick off with Thursday night special of the Bengals and Ravens. Good divisional matchup there. Although the Bengals haven't looked as strong they're going to need to show up to beat those. Ravens. I mean, they can't have sloppy play.
Speaker 1:I mean, I, halfway, would like to call this a trap game, right? I mean the Bears, you know Chase Brown's been running hot. They're going to limit his touches. They just got Khalil Herbert in a trade. Nobody knows what he's going to do. Definitely, I think Khalil Herbert is a hidden talent. Well, he hasn't played this year, he hasn't played this year, but I think he's got some potential. Is Jamar Chase back in the lineup or is he still injured?
Speaker 2:No, you're thinking T Higgins, t Higgins. T Higgins is the one that's been in and out of the lineup. Chase has been the only thing they've really had.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I got that mixed up. So the Bengals, like I mean, they don't seem like a bad team at 4-5. This seems like a little bit of a trap game to me. The Ravens they're hot, but you see, in times in some of these games they start a little sluggish or at some point in the game they run a little sluggish. I still expect them to get this win, but I think if they're not careful I think the Bengals could take it to them here.
Speaker 2:Not like. Well, I don't think that offense to the Bengals is the problem. I think the defense is the problem. If they don't show up and stop the run, they're not going to win that game. They've got to deal with the two-headed monster of Lamar running the ball and Derrick Henry running the ball, so you've got to pick your poison there. But yeah, I agree, it's a divisional game. You never know. Just because you think the Ravens are going to win doesn't mean they are.
Speaker 1:My garbage matchup of the week. Nfl live from Munich NFL International the Giants and the Panthers who you're taking in this garbage matchup? And I'm calling it a garbage matchup because both these teams are 2-7 and neither of them has any chance of making the postseason. But they gotta play each other. Somebody's gotta win.
Speaker 2:I feel like Munich's going. What did we do to deserve this? Yeah, why did we get this game? You know, can't we get some better teams? No, to answer your question, I honestly think that it's going to be the Giants that come out and win that game. Only because of the fact of coaching. They have the better coach, and I mean the Panthers win that game only because of the fact of coaching. They have the better coach, and I mean the Panthers. Could they sneak it out and win? They possibly could, but they've traded away a few of their pieces.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So who knows? You know they don't have Deontay Johnson anymore and they don't have Mingo anymore, so their receiving core is getting a little thin and they're getting Adam Thielen back, but I don't know, is Adam Thielen and Leggett going to be enough?
Speaker 1:I don't know, yeah, and I mean I was trying to find them. Their rookie running back is back from injury. Oh, Brooks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Brooks and I'm wondering when he's going to hit the field and if he's going to make a difference, you know, as far as once he hits the lineup. I'm looking for some news on him. I can't find it right now, at this moment.
Speaker 2:Well, he's supposed to come out in this game and he might see some playing time this time around. Yeah, it might get his feet wet.
Speaker 1:Falcons at Saints another divisional matchup. I'm sorry. I'm expecting the Falcons to take this. The Saints just seem like they're creatively Trying to find ways to lose. At this point, they've lost seven straight bro. Your 49ers are back this week Against the Buccaneers. How do you feel about them, man? Let's hone in on this matchup right here.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm waiting to see what everybody else is Wanting to see. If Christian McCaffrey is wanting to see, if Christian McCaffrey is going to be in that game, yeah, if he's playing in that game, niners are winning that game.
Speaker 1:Is Debo Samuel going to be around?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he'll be playing.
Speaker 1:He hasn't done a whole lot, but he's been alive. He's fine.
Speaker 2:He'll be in the game.
Speaker 1:And the Buccaneers coming off. A sour loss here against Kansas City, a close one, that would be a good matchup. The Steelers acquiring what's his name, williams, the receiver from the Jets.
Speaker 2:Oh yes. Mike Williams they got Mike Williams and they picked up Preston from the Packers. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Preston Smith from the Packers, by the way, was drafted by the Redskins or Commanders, sorry, under the Shanahan era, under the Jay Gruta era. My bad was. A potential All-Bro breakout went to Green Bay, gets traded to the Steelers man. They got a little more firepower to face us this week. Preston Smith is not a joke. I know they gave up a seventh-round pick.
Speaker 2:Their moves were quiet in the trades, but I feel like those pieces add some much-needed depth to them. Let me tell you what.
Speaker 1:Preston Smith is a beast. Mike Williams in the right systemon Smith is a beast. Mike Williams in the right system can also be a beast. They're leaning on George Pickens. They got Najee Harris, jalen Warren behind him, russell Wilson's got the rust shook off. And Friar Muth. Friar Muth, you know, another tight end number one, I think, the Steelers. You know they're 6-2. Nobody's really talking about them. This is a game man. Jaden Daniels, number one, rookie quarterback In the rookie quarterback of the season, you know, rookie player of the year conversation, maybe even MVP. I think this is a good matchup. Last time these two teams met, the Steelers were 10-0, and we gave them their first loss.
Speaker 2:So what do you have for your upset next week?
Speaker 1:For my upset.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Let's roll on down the list here. My upset and I was just thinking about this earlier today I'm really looking at if I have to pick one. Okay, I thought about the Broncos and Chiefs, but the Chiefs are 8-0. The Broncos are a little bit behind them, right? Somebody's going to play spoiler. So I think there's one of two matchups here. Okay, my number one pick for upset is Bengals over the Ravens AFC Ac north matchup. Uh, the bangles are only a couple games behind the ravens. They don't have a bad squad. I think that that is my upset pick, but behind them I'm really watching the steelers at the commanders. Steelers are six and two commanders are-2.
Speaker 2:I don't really think you can call that an upset. That's kind of two evenly matched teams.
Speaker 1:It is two evenly matched teams but for me it would be very upsetting. But going back to it, yeah, I'm picking the Bengals and the Ravens. I think the Ravens are not careful. They could end up with an L here and let the Bengals back into the season.
Speaker 2:So for me, I have two games I'm looking at.
Speaker 1:I'm looking at the Jets and the Cardinals and I'm looking at the Dolphins and the Rams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are the two games I'm I'm looking at and I think, for me, I think, the upset is going to be the jets beating the cardinals, and the reason I say that is the way that their defensive line was performing against the Texans. The Texans, similar to how the Cardinals are, they have a quarterback who can throw, he can hit the touch passes to the receivers he needs to, and you know they're limited on weapons. With the Cardinals, I mean, they have some weapons in the fact that they have, you know, a kid. They just drafted Trey Bitson.
Speaker 1:Oh, marvin Harrison Jr as well. I was thinking of running back.
Speaker 2:And they have Trey McBride. But if that defensive line of the Jets plays like it did last Thursday and they stuffed the run and they forced them to have to throw the ball, and, yes, you could still have Kyler Murray run the ball around, but he can only do that so much. Before you know, players start to, they set spies and stuff and they have some decent corners on the Jets so they could surprise them.
Speaker 1:You know, I really want to dive into this now that we're talking about it. The Cardinals this is the same thing that's been going on a couple years. Again, they've got talent Marvin Harrison Jr, kyle Murray, james Conner, trey McBride they have some talent. They have protection okay. They even have a relatively decent defense, with Buda Baker leading them in the backfield okay. But again, over the last couple years they've been a mid-grade team. They just haven't seemed to get it together. They just can't seem to turn the corner.
Speaker 2:Well, they're a young team and they have holes and they need to fill those. They did pick up a pass rusher from the Broncos in a trade.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Browning.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which will be a good pickup for them. But again, I mean and I know they're dealing with a relatively you know newer coaching staff. You know as well, you know it's not kyle murray's original. But I'm just saying, you know, by this point in the game I feel like we should be seeing a little more out of the cardinals than what we are, the jets. I feel the same. Honest to god, I feel the same way. As much trash as I talk about Aaron Rodgers. These teams are loaded with talent, man, and neither of them is really relevant as far as the standings go right now, and it just doesn't seem like it should be that way.
Speaker 2:Well, we've touched on a few of these trades and I feel like we need to discuss a few of them. Yeah, a few of these trades, and I feel like we need to discuss a few of them. So to me the one trade that stands out is the Zedarius Smith trade to the Lions. That's filling a need, but also filling the future, because if they can keep him around, pairing him with Aiden Hutchinson when he gets back healthy next year would be a pretty good set of pass rushers. Yeah, so it fills the need for them to kind of shore up their defensive pass rush. So that was a really good trade. I think so too. I agree with that One that flew under the radar.
Speaker 1:That was a really good trade. I think so too. I agree with that.
Speaker 2:One that flew under the radar. That was like a last minute the Niners picking up Khalil Davis.
Speaker 1:Yep, yep.
Speaker 2:A defensive tackle that's like 350 pounds at 6'3".
Speaker 1:That's huge for y'all.
Speaker 2:So what it adds is someone to plug up the run, which has been a problem for the Niners. They've had a problem, you know, kind of stopping up the run, and if you put a 350-pound dude in the middle of the running lane it'll stop some things. Now I'm not saying he's going to light up the world, but it's at least going to make.
Speaker 2:Now I'm not saying he's going to light up the world, but it's at least going to add some depth to a line that's been a little depleted with injury. So those are a couple of moves that really made some sense, off of not giving up too much, because they gave up a seventh rounder for that and Zedaria Smith, I think, was fifth rounder. It wasn't much. I remember looking at it going, wow, that wasn't too much.
Speaker 1:No, no, it was relatively decent.
Speaker 2:And then for y'all, y'all picked up Marshawn Lattimore.
Speaker 1:Marshawn Lattimore.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 1:He's a little injured.
Speaker 2:He does have an injury history. The one thing that I didn't like about the trade, though, is everything that was given up for him. You all gave up a third, a fourth and a sixth rounder for him. Yeah, All in the same year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would have been okay with that trade if they would have been staggered years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think they they if he wasn't injured. I know he's like a four-time Pro Bowl selection. He's a little bit older, he's a veteran. I think they overpaid a little bit. They got a pick back with him, though I think they got a seventh round pick with him.
Speaker 2:He's not too old in the sense of corners.
Speaker 1:No, but they got him in a seventh round back but they gave up three other picks for him. So they got a pick and a player back, but they gave up some picks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's a later pick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's fine. They'll take what they can get. But I don't have a problem with the trade. I think they overpaid a little bit but honestly, if you look at the secondary, they're getting burned. Man, they need some veteran presence. They need somebody to teach these guys. I thought it was a great move, honestly and this lets me know especially what they paid for them. Right, this isn't a team in rebuild anymore. They may have advertised as rebuild. The media might have advertised it as a rebuild. They're looking at a run into january. At this point, I mean, this team is at the top of the division. Uh, maybe they hold off philly, maybe they don't. Either way, they either make the playoffs in the division spot or in a wild card spot. I think they're going to playoffs and I think they're planning for it. So just a team that everybody thought might have been in transition might be a little more competitive than they. Well, everybody's giving them credit right now. I can't say nobody's not giving them enough credit.
Speaker 2:Well, another quiet move made by Baltimore Ravens, picking up Tredavious White. Another one yes. Now Tredavious was seeking a trade because he hasn't been on the field. Yeah, Because, for whatever reason, Sean McVay hasn't been putting him on the field.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So they wind up getting him for nothing more than a sixth-round pick, and they get White in a seventh-round pick, which is not bad, because the Ravens checked in on Lattimore, yeah, asking price was too much. So they got Tavares White, who has been a pretty decent corner of the years for Buffalo, yeah, and they get years for Buffalo yeah. And they get them for a lot less and still feel a need.
Speaker 1:And I mean, let's be real, the Saints are trying to get picks. The Commanders were willing to give them up and going back to that Tredavis White trade, you know, they got Deontay Johnson. I don't know how big of a factor we can expect. I think Deontay Johnson is relatively talented man.
Speaker 2:I think he'll make his presence known over these next few weeks as he gets adjusted to the offense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and honestly. And another thing is how do you like the Steelers trading away Deontay Johnson to a team that they don't have to deal with very often, for him only to land back in the division that they have to face twice a year?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it happens, it happens.
Speaker 1:I mean, I guarantee you Mike Tomlin is not going to deal with the Panthers in the near future Like nah, bro, we're trying to get rid of this guy Now. You gave him to a rival. We got to deal with him twice a year. It was bad enough. I had a game plan for Devontae Adams twice in a row. Now I got a game plan for Deontay Johnson two years, you know, twice a year every year, as long as he plays for y'all. You know. You know, twice a year every year, as long as he plays for y'all. You know.
Speaker 2:I mean, and that's Tomlin overcoming circumstance but still, it's kind of funny to be honest with you. Yeah, yeah, well, I think it's time. What was that?
Speaker 1:time again. Closing episode. Closing of the episode. We had a lot of debate tonight man, we did, we did.
Speaker 2:Real quickly we touched on some good stuff.
Speaker 1:I'm going to add this one in last second, four weeks ago. I just want to dedicate this episode to longtime family friend Johnny Long Sr. He passed away last Monday. Thoughts and prayers with the family and I just want to thank everybody for joining us for another exciting episode this one really excited. Once again, I'm Brian with an I.
Speaker 2:And I'm Mike.
Speaker 1:And we are Two for the win.