Two for the Win
Mike is a U.S. Navy Veteran and Bryan has more than a decade of civil service experience. Together, these blue collar guys dissect the latest sports headlines and events.
Two for the Win
Two For The Win - E16 - Sports Shake-Up & Trade Buzz
Ever wondered how legends defy age in sports, or why certain trades can change the game entirely? Join us as we take you through a thrilling journey across MLB, NBA, WNBA, and college basketball. You'll discover the latest buzz from MLB's offseason, including Austin Hayes' move to the Reds and Ryan Presley's trade to the Cubs. We celebrate the NBA's nod to icons with the Golden State Warriors retiring Andre Iguodala's jersey, and the Brooklyn Nets preparing a tribute for Vince Carter. These stories set the stage for reflections on how past legends like Nolan Ryan continue to inspire the present.
Feel the excitement in the air as player trades shake the foundations of the WNBA and college basketball. Seattle Storm, Las Vegas Aces, and Los Angeles Sparks are rewriting the rules with their strategic moves, including Jewel Lloyd heading to the Aces. College basketball gets its dose of drama with Jeremiah Smith considering a transfer to Miami, and Quinn Ewers choosing Oregon over the NFL draft. As these sports landscapes evolve, we explore what these changes mean for teams and fans alike.
Football enthusiasts will relish our deep dive into the NFL's latest hot topics. From the Chicago Bears' offensive struggles to the heated Chiefs-Bills playoff showdown, we dissect coaching influences and game dynamics. The potential ripple effects of coaching changes, like Matt Nagy's role shift, and Aaron Rodgers' uncertain future, are on the table. And as we gear up for the anticipated Eagles vs. Chiefs Super Bowl, we share our thoughts on fan culture, bandwagon trends, and the ever-evolving careers of NFL players and coaches. Don't miss our playful banter on bandwagon fandom and some bold predictions for what's next in the sports world.
Welcome back everybody. January 28th 2025, it is a mediocre Tuesday evening out for the weather. I'm Brian with an eye and I'm Mike and we are two for the win, mike. What do we have on tonight's agenda?
Speaker 2:well, we're gonna check in with some MLB news, check in with the NBA, check in with the WNBA see what's going on with the college offseason, and check in with the red-hot NFL.
Speaker 1:Man, let me tell you what. Never a dull moment in the world of sports, Always a good time to talk sports, and I am glad our list just seems to be growing, especially as we prepare to phase on from the NFL regular season here. What are we getting digged into first tonight?
Speaker 2:Well, we're going to start with the MLB, because their season's coming up and this is usually when things are happening, but you don't know they're happening unless somebody points it out or you're reading up on it. So we've got a whole bunch of players that recently have either been traded, signed or finding new homes. So recently the Reds agreed to a one-year deal with Austin Hayes, a former Orioles outfielder. He was with the Phillies, traded to the Phillies last year. He did okay for them, but not quite what they were expecting. So he's found himself a new home. The Cubs traded for Ryan Presley, a reliever who was with the Houston Astros and pretty darn good reliever too, and in order to get him, Presley had to waive his no-trade clause to even be eligible to be traded. And Pittsburgh Pirates bring back a familiar face in former All-Star Adam Frazier. He has signed a one-year deal to go back to the Pirates. He had played six years with them previously.
Speaker 1:Not bad, not a bad move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the Orioles signed Dylan Carson to a one-year deal to add some depth to their outfield. That should be a low-risk, high-reward kind of a pick. You know if he lives up to what the Cardinals thought he was going to be.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, because the Cardinals shipped him off to the Tampa Bay Rays because he wasn't living up to what they had expected from him, and they're hoping that they'll get some good results from him with the Orioles. Good results from him with the Orioles, but one player who just signed a minor league deal, a reliever by the name of Jesse Chavez. Now Jesse is 41 years old. He signed a minor league deal with the Rangers. Now you don't typically see a lot of guys playing in their 40s, you would think, but it's not quite true.
Speaker 1:Where's he coming from?
Speaker 2:He was with the Atlanta Braves last year and he's bounced around quite a bit. He's been traded a bunch of times and sometimes even traded back to the teams that traded him. So's he's. He's kind of a journeyman. He's been all over the place. But seeing him sign a minor league deal and continue his playing career got me thinking. So how often do players play into their 40s? Or how often do you see players who play later in their career? And the answer is quite a bit, believe it or not. So players like Nolan Ryan he was 44 pitching in 1991. He had pitched in four different decades, so so he hung in there and he was still good. I mean, if he gave him enough time he could probably still throw a fastball over 80 miles an hour. And Dennis Martinez was 44 in 1998 when he was playing with the Atlanta Braves. And Jamie Moyer, he was 49 in 2012 when he was playing with the Rockies.
Speaker 2:Not bad he was still a pretty effective pitcher.
Speaker 1:You know, it just goes to show it never too old.
Speaker 2:And another player, julio Franco. He was 48 the last game he played and he was a shortstop slash second baseman, slash, first baseman, slash DH. And that guy's probably still playing some baseball somewhere, because that man.
Speaker 1:If not, then hopefully coaching him.
Speaker 2:A lot of teams picked him up because he was the great get you a hit, get him off the bench and get you a hit. But the oldest player and there's still speculation as to his exact age but Satro Page, who is a pitcher from way back. He actually pitched in the Negro Leagues and made his way into MLB. And because they could never really truly get his exact date of birth down, they do have it down, as in 1965, he was 59 years old when he pitched for the Kansas City A's. He did pitch for Cleveland and he was a darn good pitcher. He was one that, if you don't know anything about him, go look him up go ahead and read up go read, it get your daily digest
Speaker 1:but, if you got chat gpt, chat gpt that no, I would go.
Speaker 2:I would go, just do your own little research. He was a very good player and he deserves his due. But moving on, let's check in with the NBA.
Speaker 1:The NBA. Put my notes up here. We'll be rolling on through here. Golden State Going to retire Andre. All right, it's not often I butcher names.
Speaker 2:Andre Iguodala.
Speaker 1:Iguodala. Okay, mike got me on this one.
Speaker 2:I got you on this one.
Speaker 1:Retiring his number nine jersey going to be February 23rd Iguodala will be just the seventh player in franchise history to have his jersey never required. Hell of a moment for him. Hell of a moment for Golden State, who's just had an absolutely great run this last decade or so.
Speaker 2:Well, speaking of jerseys being retired, vince Carter I know we said Vince Carter got his jersey retired by Toronto, but now the Nets the Nets are stepping up and they're going to retire Vince Carter's jersey. He played for the Nets for quite a while.
Speaker 1:Yep closing out 24. They did, and then now the Nets are going to retire Vince Carter's number 15 in a star-studded jersey. Just to recap, vince Carter, he is an eight-time All-Star and two-time NBA All-NBA team selection. He has played a record 22 seasons in the NBA, tied for LeBron James for the most seasons played in league history.
Speaker 2:I mean, retiring your number from two different franchises is a feat in itself, and the reason he was able to play that long is Vince Carter actually went from being a megastar, a guy that everybody's talking about, to kind of more of a role player.
Speaker 2:And he really showed you know you can have a long NBA career and a good NBA career being a guy that just steps up. You know whatever you need me to do and that's not taking anything away from him because he did work on his shot and made himself a more rounded player as he got older, so he really did himself a lot of favors by playing that way- Just an absolutely legacy-type player.
Speaker 1:good man all the way around. Getting into some feel-good news here real quick just before we do that. So you know, getting into some feel-good news here real quick Just before we do that. Anthony Edwards now officially becomes a Timberwolves All-time three-point leader 978 three-point shots Congratulations to him and the Timberwolves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ant-man is stepping up, like he's only going to get better man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome. And Nick's center, Carl Anthony Towns this is a feel-good story gives his jersey to Timothee Chalamet after the Knicks win against Memphis Grizzlies. Why did he do that, mike?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, all right. So you're in New York, you're going to see celebrities every once in a while, and especially if you're on the front row at a Knicks game, you're bound to see some celebrities. So Carl Anthony Towns sees Timothy Chalamet sitting there. I mean, come on, I mean he just did. Dune movies. He just had Willy Wonka and just did the Bob Dylan movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, two universes crossing paths. I thought it was a feel-good story. It is kind of a feel-good story. Who doesn't like Timothy Chalamet?
Speaker 2:Well, it just shows where things can kind of blend between the movies and sports and where you know people can have a little love and respect for both, you know. So you have a guy that's in movies that you know, carl anthony towns probably likes his movies and you got timothy shallam sitting in his game probably likes watching carl anthony towns play and they see each other and like, hey man, I like your game hey. Hey man, I like your movies.
Speaker 1:Did he sign it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did.
Speaker 1:Good, he did, he signed it.
Speaker 2:He signed it. Game-worn jersey just given to Timothée Chalamet.
Speaker 1:Now did Timothée Chalamet take his shirt off and sign it, Because it's a lopsided deal.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, I don't know what he did, but I don't think he did.
Speaker 1:Wow, congratulations to both of them.
Speaker 2:Well, we've got to talk about some bad news.
Speaker 1:I was just going to ask you we should have saved the feel-good stuff for feeling good. What is going on with Jimmy Butler? This is one of the marquee headlines I'm sure everybody loves talking about right now. What is going on with Jimmy Butler?
Speaker 2:so. So basically, if you haven't heard, the rundown is, he was in practice. They came up to him and tried to talk to him and the conversation was going to be about hey, we kind of need you to come off the bench and most would think that that's a demotion because your playing skills not great. I think in this case it has nothing to do with that. It has more to do with hey, we're trying to keep you fresh and keep you unhurt so we can trade you, like you've been asking. But when he was approached and they said this to him, jimmy butler just left, and as soon as he left I mean, it's middle practice, he's supposed to be there when he left they were like, alright, suspend him again. So now he's on pace to have lost $5 million in salary.
Speaker 1:I'm sure it hurts, I'm sure it hurts it's.
Speaker 2:I mean he's got money. $5 million to him is like alright, whatever. I mean he's got money. I mean $5 million to him is like all right, whatever. I mean NBA players if you've been in for a while, you got some money.
Speaker 1:Look, costing these guys money is not enough for implication. They need real implications. We get into that later, though.
Speaker 2:And I'm sorry y'all, if y'all can hear it in my voice, I'm a little under weather, but I'm going to try to power through this episode don't stack him, don't let this man lie to you, this man.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say something, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Moving on here your thought, your thoughts can matter listen, listen.
Speaker 1:I don't want to say something I'm gonna regret, okay I tend to do that sometimes.
Speaker 1:Anyway, moving on, some great news here WNBA we're trying to diversify, get more sports mixed in here, learning as we go. So if we don't know what we're talking about we apologize. Anyway, we tried to Talking about some WNBA here. Colossal trade in women's basketball Three-way team trade here. Seattle Storm sending six-time All-Star Jewel Lloyd to Las Vegas Aces in a multi-team deal here. Bear with me as I go down this, because there's quite a bit happening here. With this transaction, seattle Storm is going to receive the number two overall pick from the Sparks. The Sparks are going to get their Storm's number nine pick. The Aces are going to receive number 13 pick from the Sparks. As a result, aces are sending three-time All-Star Kelsey Plume to the Los Angeles Sparks. So these three teams are conniving pretty hard together here right now. I wouldn't say conniving.
Speaker 2:Oh, I shouldn't say conniving, that was a bad word. I would say that they're collaborating. Yes, they're collaborating on improving all their teams based on what they feel is a fair trade.
Speaker 1:And I think that this is a huge, eye-popping, colossal trade. I don't think it's a bad trade. I'm not saying it's a bad trade at all. I think all three of these teams are going to be happy with the move they made here. And on top of it, to add to that, you know other teams, you know. Let's see here Phoenix Mercury. They're trading to acquire five-time All-Star forward Alyssa Thomas from the Connecticut Sun. So these two teams are trying to rock too. So Natasha Cloud, rebecca Allen and the number 12 overall pick headed to Connecticut in return, just for Alyssa Thomas. Thomas finished the last three seasons as an All-Star and MVP finalist. She's a two-time defensive player of the year runner-up. She helped her son reach WNBA finals in 2019 and 2022. As well, ty Harris is also headed to Phoenix. So a lot of movement in the WNBA. And these are just two transactions among five teams. So they're gearing up WNBA's, gearing up for another fireworks-worthy season here.
Speaker 2:Well, nba's about to have their trade deadline next week, so we could see a flurry of moves, probably here in the next week.
Speaker 1:NBA, wnba and college basketball all getting ready to wind up tight here, get ready for fireworks and honestly, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, this is one thing that if you love sports, you're always looking for your team to do stuff. Try to improve your team for a stretch run and if your team is making trades, you're yes, we got that player. Or you're sitting there like why is my team doing anything?
Speaker 1:yeah, I've. I felt that way for a long time, up until this season.
Speaker 2:We haven't that's a different. We haven't gotten there yet.
Speaker 1:We haven't got there yet though, but I'm sure fans across numerous sports can relate oh yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2:So we done checking with wmba. You want to move on?
Speaker 1:move on to college yeah, wmba you know they're getting ready to rock out. I'm excited to learn more about the wmba as we go through this uh, go through this season moving into the college ranks. Here we can slow it down a little bit. Jeremiah smith four and a half million dollar offer to enter the transfer portal portal. Uh, wants to go ohio to miami is the rumor. What do you think about this man? Is this even going to benefit? Do you think this would benefit? Uh, miami.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, getting one of the best receivers in college football.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're damn right, it would good, but well, that's why I asked the question.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing it's probably more likely this is going to happen because of the fact that he's from Florida. So he would kind of be going home. So not only would he be going home, but he'd get paid, you know, $4.5 million Plus. Didn't they just pick up the Georgia quarterback?
Speaker 1:They did.
Speaker 2:So now.
Speaker 1:Carson Beck.
Speaker 2:Now you get a quarterback and one of the best receivers in college.
Speaker 1:Now, with Ohio being as red hot as they are coming out of the national championship, why do you think he's leaving? Is it strictly money?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't. The money helps certainly, but Never doesn't help.
Speaker 2:But also think about the fact that he could have money and be home and you know, let's say for what it is. You know, if your family doesn't exactly have the means to travel, you could play in front of your family. You could play in front of your family. You could play in front of your friends, because until this payday I don't know that you want to be paying for all your friends, all your family, to come all the way up to see you play, when you could just say hey, drive up the street.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't think he is paying for them, unless maybe his family or some of his family.
Speaker 2:Well, he certainly could, if he's getting this payday of $4.5 million.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's tired of cold weather. Ohio's a cold weather state.
Speaker 2:Football's a cold weather game.
Speaker 1:Unless you're in Florida.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you've still got to travel. You're going to go to cold weather places?
Speaker 1:Yes, but the majority of your games will be warm or fair weather, yes, but the majority of your games will be warm or fair weather.
Speaker 2:But speaking of transfers and getting into the portal, who else is getting ready to transfer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this one was rather. It's like it's surprising and not surprising at the same time, because you've heard the murmurs. But he's made things public, made it not public. Quinn Ewers he is not going to the NFL draft after all, he is going to Oregon and that's a huge move.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Going to the team that was number one overall last year and deciding to forego the NFL draft. I mean to me, if I was his agent, I would have told him you know, you can go into the NFL draft and we could try to get your draft stock up and go to the combine and get you up there in the draft Now. Granted, you won't be in the top picks, but if you're not in the top picks you could land in a good situation.
Speaker 1:I mean look at how many Honestly, especially with the NIL era. I know a lot of people do not like the NIL era, but let's face it. You're giving these kids the opportunity to make money before they even get to the workforce Number one. They're going to need that in today's kind of world. Okay, some kind of foundation if they don't make it pro. But I agree, I say stay in college, finish your degree, play some football and make some money while you're at it I mean with the kind of money that these players are getting.
Speaker 1:Some of them are going to be set for life I agree, but you always want to finish what you start, especially if it's your first college degree. Go ahead, ahead and finish it. You're there.
Speaker 2:Well, I've heard a number of veterans who they went to school and it was the more traditional before there was an IOM, before there was any of this transfer portal and some of them said they would leave early because there was a payday to leave early, but they didn't want to just not finish their degree. So some of them talked about going back and finishing and some of these veterans have said, like, look, do it now because trying to finish later is so hard. Yeah, and it's true. It's true. I mean, I've, I've dabbled in going back to school.
Speaker 1:It is harder it is harder when you've got life problems.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you say get used to it, but it definitely makes things more difficult.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, you get used to being in the workforce. You get used to making the money, whether it's a lot or a little bit. You get into a routine of making money, paying bills, dealing with life's problems. You begin to move forward with your life and things like college and education. Unless they are really at the forefront of your priorities, you're. A lot of people don't go back and finish, or even go back at all. They may have intent to, they may even have the money and resources to. The simple fact is, once you leave, the chances of going back slim down just simply because of life in general. Very true, both of us can tell you that from experience. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 2:But if they're going to stay and get their college degree, that's very good on them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I fully advocate for that because you could go in the nfl, yeah, you might get a little rookie contract. Then you say, no, you don't get injured. Maybe you're just simply not good enough for nfl. Caliber, play for whatever coach you're playing for and you get cut. Now you have no college degree. You probably only have a minimal amount that you've even been paid from your rookie contract and you might have made more on an NIA deal if you stayed in college. I say take the money, take the college degree, then go to the next step, and that way, if it don't work out, you're already set your foundation's there.
Speaker 2:Sounds good in principle. If you can make it happen, it's worth doing.
Speaker 1:When they say hindsight's 20-20, I'm speaking from experience.
Speaker 2:I ain't speaking from knowledge. Wait, you were being handed an NIL deal.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. It's fake money, but you've got to start somewhere.
Speaker 2:I don't think you can spend that fake money.
Speaker 1:You said I'm going to spend it, I'm just going to add it to my Monopoly board. We can now do. We now have more ones in Monopoly.
Speaker 2:Good Lord. Anyway, let's move on. So we're going to move on to the NFL. So this past weekend we finally found out who's in the Super Bowl. We were down to our last four teams between Washington, the Eagles, the Bills and the Chiefs and man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let me tell you what.
Speaker 2:I know you're sitting over there pretty unhappy with the result, but man, to go that far with a rookie quarterback and have the season that y'all had, man, that's something.
Speaker 1:I agree, but we can talk about the other game first, or you want to talk about my game first. I'm down for whatever. I say, my game. I say the Washington-Philadelphia Eagles game. Honestly, I'd rather talk about the Bills, but they have a little more controversy around them. Ours was just a straight-ass kicking. You know, I got to give it to the fan base, right? The commanders first of all. We haven't been here in a long time.
Speaker 2:Oh, not since 1991.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so you always wonder how the fan base is getting. Are we going to be overzealous, are we going to be cocky? You know, what kind of fan base is this when the when the team is winning, uh. But more importantly, what kind of fan base is this when the team is winning? But, more importantly, what kind of fan base is this when we're down? And this is definitely a down moment, even though it's at the peak of a high moment. I think it's important that as we learn to be good winners, we also learn to be, so to speak, losers as well, and I think this is a perfect time.
Speaker 1:Philly look a lot of people don't want to admit it philly is a very good team. Okay, the touch push helps, uh. And then, especially if your team commits a lot of mistakes, you commit turnovers. Look a team like Philly. You just cannot let them get up multiple scores, even early on in a conference championship game. So I think the Skins, or the Commanders, had a very good season. It's sad that they lost where they did, but honestly, it's quite amazing that they made it as far as they did, with a rookie quarterback one game shy of the Superbowl. Um, really, that's unheard of, and Jaden Daniels is a bad man and these guys just getting started, man.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, excuse me, you have to be pretty happy, you know, because there's a lot of upward momentum, you can see with this team where you know you go from not even really knowing what you were doing at quarterback, not really knowing you know where your organization was really going, because you didn't have a coach coming into the season, you didn't have an offensive coordinator or a defensive coordinator, most of their pieces at all. And then slowly, piece by piece, you picked up Dan Quinn, you got Cliff Kingsbury to be your offensive coordinator and you just kind of rounded out your office. And then the draft came and the question was who was going number one? And it really wasn't a question because everybody kind of knew the Bears were going to pick Caleb. And then, you know, was Washington going to try to move out of their pick or were they going to stick around, you know, and the rumors were that you guys were hanging up all phone calls because you knew what you were doing.
Speaker 1:And, with that being said, I'm going to pivot just off of the NFC Championship game for a second. I'm going to pivot over to the Bears Nation. Okay, on paper, this team was supposed to ball out. Now, given where Jaden Daniels is, caleb Williams was a great prospect too, and their offense was supposed to ball out. Technically, they also had a better defense than us too. Do you think the Bears' issues came down strictly to coaching, or do you think it's coaching, and maybe Caleb Williams and some of the other players? What do you think it's coaching, and maybe Caleb Williams and some of the other players? What do you think went wrong? Because Caleb Williams was pegged as the top talent.
Speaker 2:I don't know that. I would say that he was pegged. That could be misinterpreted.
Speaker 2:Anyway so no, caleb Williams and the team on paper. I understand you pick up some pieces and it looks flashy, but the team did not do him any favors by not getting him a coach. I mean, don't get me wrong, ibra Flues is a good defensive coordinator, but he has already shown time and time again he's not a head coach and they needed somebody who can groom and develop a good offensive scheme that will work for Caleb. But it's not just that. It's the fact that you have a young team that is built up off of some veterans, but you still need. You have needs. They're not a complete team. They have a weak offensive line because anybody who watched any of their games saw that Caleb was pretty much on the run almost all the time Every drive they had, because he was getting pummeled by the defensive line if he didn't take off or try to roll out and throw a weird pass downfield.
Speaker 1:Speaking of, okay, the Washington Commanders offensive line wasn't necessarily great either, but the Bears offensive line coach, Bill Callahan best in the business Offensive line coach.
Speaker 2:Bill Callahan best in the business. Well, let's also keep in mind you guys have better run game than they do. The Bears do not have really much of a run game beyond, just swift. Yeah. I mean yeah, they got.
Speaker 1:I give you that there was the threat of the run.
Speaker 2:Which will help an offensive line, because if an offensive line poses like they're going to run and it's not a run, it's a pass or using the play action pass. People weren't respecting that with the bears because swift was basically he was taking bad angles and they were tackling him before he could get positive yards, so they weren't really respecting their run game. Right and they would put Johnson back there and he was kind of a run forward. Get you two, three yards.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And they needed more explosives. That's not to say Swift didn't have his explosives and didn't have his opportunities, but they were so far in between that I guarantee you they're going to be getting another back in this offseason to help with that, as well as try to boost the offensive line. I mean, the defense was playing all right, but they still need some pieces over there too.
Speaker 1:Imagine if this year's Bears had Matt Forte at running back.
Speaker 2:Well, matt Forte wouldn't be good. Now, no, no, matt Forte at running back. Well, matt Forte wouldn't be good now no, no.
Speaker 1:Matt Forte in his prime.
Speaker 2:In his prime. Yes, they would be way better if they had him now and he was in his prime.
Speaker 1:That offense might have been slightly more effective, but I gave it to you. I just wanted to delve because this has been a narrative all through the season Jaden Daniels compared to Caleb Williams, the Bears compared to the commander. So that's why I kind of got off subject a little bit.
Speaker 2:The Bears screwed up anyway. They had Cliff Kingsbury in their building and they didn't give him what he wanted or made him feel like.
Speaker 1:That was the Raiders.
Speaker 2:I thought it was the Bears too. I'm pretty sure it was the Raiders. I thought it was the Bears too.
Speaker 1:I'm pretty sure it was the Raiders. I mean I think he interviewed or was going to interview the Bears but the Raiders were going to hire him and they're the ones that didn't give him the contract he wanted. He wanted one more year. They only wanted to give him two, and commanders were like yo, and that's how that went.
Speaker 2:Well, sometimes you don't play hardball, were like yo, and that's how that went. Yeah well, sometimes you don't play hardball when it comes to getting your coaching staff right. You just get what you need.
Speaker 1:Look every coach especially. Well, I'm not saying Kingsbury is a first-year, first-time head coach, but especially first-time.
Speaker 2:He's not a head coach, he's an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1:I know that, but he was a head coach. But every head coach, especially first-time head coaches, need a minimum of three to I say three to five-year contract. If they show progress through the first three years, they get the fourth year. I know fifth year's not, but they need at least three years to be able to delve into this team. Now it's more like two years. If you're the Patriots it's like six months.
Speaker 2:Well, keep in mind that when things go wrong, the very first person they look at to fire are the coordinators, and it's usually the offensive coordinator first, because we're not scoring enough points, fire the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1:Yep, and that is what happened. No, no, the coordinator came up. Eberfloos got let go. But yeah, eber, ever floating away, ever floating away. I believe it's Eberfloos, I don't care, it's ever floating away. Now, Anyway. And he's floating on down. We'll get to this in a little bit, but he's floating on down.
Speaker 2:We'll get to this a little bit, but he's floating on down, we'll get to that anyway. So back back to the uh, to the eagles washington game I don't like being pigeonholed, sir hey, I know you don't want to talk about it, you want to avoid the ass whooping that they took, but they did take an ass they did get their butts kicked.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna lie, I'll be the first one to admit. But let me tell you what. Um, I don't see, I know it was a bad game. Okay, it was just. Let's just call it what it is. It was a bad game for the commanders, maybe not for philly, but it was a bad game for us. But they, like I said earlier, they had a great season and I honestly have no reason to be disappointed. I am actually very excited and congratulations to philadelphia, to their fan base, to, to their whole franchise, because, first of all, a lot of y'all are assholes. But I'm just going to say congratulations from the depths of my heart and I am going to reluctantly going to be pulling for them.
Speaker 2:We'll get to that. We'll get to that.
Speaker 1:We'll get to who you want, we'll get to that I'm going to reluctantly pull for the Eagles, despite the ass-whooping they just put down on us. But let's move into a game. For some reason, the Chiefs always seem to be surrounded by controversy.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the Chiefs-Bills. Everybody was looking forward to this because, well, everybody that likes the NFL and likes watching good playoff football.
Speaker 1:Emphasis on good.
Speaker 2:These games always seem to be really tight between the Buffalo Bills and the Chiefs in the playoffs. It's like you don't even have to see the game to know that it's going to be tight and that something's going to happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And lo and behold, this game was tight. It ended 32-29. And you would think Well, all season long Bills have looked good. They've been kind of the team that was on fire.
Speaker 1:They were kind of the favorites.
Speaker 2:They even beat them in the regular season, albeit at their house, but they did beat them. So come playoff time, Playoff is a different animal, Things are more intense. So Josh Allen in the beginning of the game he looked a little shook. He almost threw two picks on their first try. Yeah, if it wasn't for an overthrow and a defender not really paying attention hit him in the hands and he dropped it. But thank goodness for him yeah, I agree, man.
Speaker 1:I I really thought Buffalo just got into this one a little bit too late.
Speaker 2:I wonder if their running back.
Speaker 1:Ray Davis. No, not Davis.
Speaker 2:James Cook, james Cook I think I'm wondering if he was hurt, because there were some scenarios in that game where he wasn't in there and it seemed like the perfect time for him to be in there.
Speaker 2:And where he wasn't in there, yeah and it. It seemed like the perfect time for him to be in there and he just wasn't. So I'm wondering if maybe he might have been. I know they rotate their backs. They they do use davis, they do use ty johnson and it just seemed like at some crucial moments he wasn't in there and I don't know if he was hurt or what the deal was. But this game is being you've probably heard it and you've probably seen it where people are all over the Internet or all over the different sports networks saying that there were some favorable calls for the Chiefs again, that there were some favorable calls for the Chiefs again, and some of it I kind of get because, like it's okay, it happens. The refs do screw things up from time to time, but it's amplified in the playoffs. But there were some things that happened in this game that maybe warranted just a little extra. Look.
Speaker 2:So, we all know the fourth down play, where Josh Allen they're kind of going for a weird-looking tush-push kind of play and he's holding the ball to his chest and the team is pushing him and trying to get him past the line on a fourth down.
Speaker 2:Now, before that play, though, the third down play, when it was third and three, there was a pass to Kincaid, and Kincaid dives and albeit he is short, if you go back and look at it, his elbow touches and he is short, but he is inches and that's being generous inches short of the line to gain. Now, being inches short, you would think that's how you're going to place the ball. No refs place him about half a yard short. That's not inches short, and I can understand that. The judge that comes in to place the ball there was a defender blocking his view, so he thought Kincaid's knee was down and it was a half yard short. But if you go back and look at it which, if the sky judge would have looked at it a little more they would have seen that he was only a couple inches short, and trying to get a couple inches on a sneak play is a hell of a lot easier than half a yard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I got to say like this, a video I'm trying been trying to replay myself. The controversy, in my opinion, is really where does his elbow make contact with the ground? To me Again, like you say, that's a few inches short. It is where you're saying it should be.
Speaker 2:Um, but you know as far as how they spotted the ball, it just seemed like these refs well, and here's the thing on that fourth down play, where they're pushing josh allen trying to get the first down, which, mind you, if you look at it, his back is literally middle of the line.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the ball is being held in the middle of his chest, so the ball was over the line.
Speaker 1:And if you look at it— I agree with that one.
Speaker 2:The two judges come in and they have totally different opinions. The two judges come in and they have totally different opinions. One judge comes in from the Chiefs' sideline go figure and shows that he's short, and the one that comes from the Bills' sideline says he got it. He is well past the white line and pointing like he got it and then they get together and they go.
Speaker 1:No, he didn't get it.
Speaker 2:Why hasn't the NFL put trackers in footballs yet Okay. So a good point was made by Ross Tucker about this. He said the NFL football has a chip in it already. But even with a chip, think about this the ball does not know when a person's knee is down not know when somebody's butt is down.
Speaker 2:No, so you're still not quite getting it and I think I have. I have a solution to this when when referees go and look and review plays, why can't you have on the replay just a little light, that when the ball initiates crossing the plane, that little light turns on? Yeah, on the screen. That shows them clearly as they're watching the review light came on well, almost, almost like an invisible fence for dogs.
Speaker 1:Right the first yard, the first down markers have a beam or a force field. I'm not not a technology guy, so I'm going to describe it like it's Star Wars but they have some kind of beam that goes from one to the other across the field.
Speaker 2:What you're wanting players to get shocked as they try to get first down.
Speaker 1:No, that'd be great, though you put a sensor in each end of the football or in all the crucial exterior, most parts of the football I'm using my engineering terms here and when one of those sensors crosses that force field plane, it sends a signal off, like you said, a little light that lets them know the ball touched first down at the very minimal and see.
Speaker 2:That's why I say have it show up on the replay so as they're watching the replay they can have the light go off on the screen in one of the corners. That shows the ball has crossed and they can see it clear as day. Either the person's knee was down or their butt was down or elbow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they can review that Either the person's knee was down or their butt was down or elbow. Yeah, they can review that.
Speaker 2:So you can review it and get a more clear cut. Yeah, it crossed and.
Speaker 1:I'm going to pivot away from football for just five seconds here. Mike, okay the MLS, okay soccer. They have a device that allows blind people to follow the game. Right, and they just use their hands, just like Braille, as some kind of you know soccer setup, and they follow the ball. When somebody kicks the ball, it gets a little nudge, like a controller vibrator. It gets a little nudge so they can follow where the ball is at and who's kicking it where it's at. I think this is incredible. I think the NFL should try to find something like this, not just for visually impaired guests and fans, but also for, like you said, statistics and the efficiency of calling the game.
Speaker 2:Now, one side, I want to take about this close play. One side, I want to take about this close play. Now. There was a pass that Josh Allen did on another set of downs where it was fourth down. He kind of throws it up and Kincaid some people say he dropped it. The man had to change directions and dive to even have an attempt to catch it and he gave it his all but it just came up. Not, he didn't come up with the ball. So I don't think anybody should be mad at him or say that it's his fault, because it's not, because let's keep one thing in mind they had an entire game to try to pull ahead yeah they did not now granted for me personally, I wanted to see the bills win because I'm like a like majority of these fans.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see another chiefs super bowl I live like I kind of want to see, I kind of wanted to see the bills get a chance to get their first super Bowl. I mean, to me that's more exciting than seeing the Chiefs go try to three-peat.
Speaker 1:I mean, they've been in just as many as anybody who's won five Super Bowls, so they should win one eventually.
Speaker 2:Well, but yeah, but you would think. But the problem is like I feel bad that the Bills seem to always run into this where they come up short. You know, because they had the same thing in the 90s where they went to four straight Super Bowls and lost all four. You know, and I really hate when people say this, because I've heard it being a Niners fan where people say, oh don't worry, you know you'll be back next year. No, you don't know that 'll be back next year. No no you don't know that.
Speaker 1:You don't know that it's not guaranteed.
Speaker 2:Because look, let me, and just devil's advocate for you and you're going to hate this, but you know there's another rookie quarterback that kind of did what your rookie did go into the championship game.
Speaker 1:Mark Sanchez did that with the jets he did do that so and his career kind of didn't take off like we thought don't you put that bad. No, no, listen, listen, hear me out, hear me out, hear that hear me out, because I know this gives you bad RG3 vibes. No, rg3 only has good vibes. No, no, no, no, no, you know his career did not pan like.
Speaker 2:Y'all thought it was off the trajectory that he had.
Speaker 1:No, but honest to God, I still love RG3.
Speaker 2:I don't have anything against him either, but I'm just saying you got a slender quarterback, just like RG3 was. He was lean, he's going to need to get a little bulk out a little bit, get a little weight and if he gets some pieces around him, you guys have a better shot than Mark Sanchez ever did.
Speaker 1:Probably.
Speaker 2:RG3 had two freak accidents that were horribly poorly managed okay well, not to mention it was on a crap field because the owner wouldn't do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he wouldn't do anything but that. That aside, like the first one was a freak accident, the second one was a re-aggravate re-aggravation of the first accident, both times poorly mismanaged by the franchise. Uh, there's, we don't have to delve too deep into it right now, but there are some things there. I First accident, both times poorly mismanaged by the franchise. We don't have to delve too deep into it right now, but there are some things there I feel like with RG3, that should be considered.
Speaker 2:And Jaden Daniels has a much better. He's definitely smarter than him. He gets down and stuff trying to take on contact.
Speaker 1:Well, sometimes I think RG3 was smart too, but you know the game was different then and it was a different mindset then, and you know they had a different culture in the locker room.
Speaker 2:um but you can see, you're acting like. This was you know 20 years ago and it was like 10 bro.
Speaker 1:It was literally 14 years. We're in 2025. It was 13 years ago. We're in 20. It was 2012 when that happened.
Speaker 2:It is 2025 yeah, it was like not that long ago me and you were still playing football back then anyway. So the two games have shaken out, we have an Eagles-Chiefs Super Bowl. It's a repeat of the Super Bowl we saw a few years ago, minus the Eagles have Saquon Barkley now running back.
Speaker 1:Chiefs with a three-peat bro.
Speaker 2:Look, I know everybody's hyping this up and they keep saying it, keep talking about it, but they haven't done it yet and they might not. I mean, the Eagles have a good chance. But really, really honestly, I want your opinion.
Speaker 1:Okay, I have plenty of those.
Speaker 2:Because I don't know if anybody else feels this way I kind of don't like this Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like I don't really want to watch I feel like mike is saying what everybody is thinking right now, because I'm the same way. I'm like honestly, bro, forget this super bowl. I don't even want to watch this mess because let's, let's, let's be real here.
Speaker 2:So both these fan bases are obnoxious as hell.
Speaker 1:Bro, the Philly fans around here, they're okay and we know a couple of them.
Speaker 2:I'm not talking about Philly fans here. I'm talking about the Philly fans that they need a jail cell in their damn stadium.
Speaker 1:Bro, they're the only city who prepares for a win. They grease light poles, they get the police force out. Like you think, these guys?
Speaker 2:These fans threw batteries at Santa, Like who hates Santa.
Speaker 1:Philly is out of control when it comes to the fans. They are absolutely the worst fan base ever, Not just in the NFL ever.
Speaker 2:They own it too.
Speaker 1:They do, they're proud of it. That's why I have no problem saying it over the radio.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go up there and say it, these guys.
Speaker 1:So I saw a video. There's a lot of TikTok videos. I don't really watch TikTok, but I see videos come across.
Speaker 2:Facebook. Nobody can watch TikTok now. There's a lot of.
Speaker 1:TikTok videos. I don't really watch TikTok, but I see videos come across Facebook.
Speaker 2:Nobody can watch TikTok now.
Speaker 1:No, it's backup, but anyway, if you have the app, yeah, anyway, I saw this guy right. He climbed this greased-ass pole with his dumbass Eagles jersey Excuse my language, it might still be a little salty and then somebody tossed him a book of inner diligence. What was the book they're reading? Interdiligence or inter excellence?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah inter excellence.
Speaker 1:They tossed him the book on the pole and he just sat on the pole and pretended to read the book. And then later I read an article philly fan falls from pole with a concussion. I said damn, I wonder if that was the guy reading the book up there. Excuse me, but philly fans are wild. They're great. I kind of like it, but also kind of hate it. That was the guy reading the book up there. Excuse me, but Philly fans are wild. I kind of like it but I also kind of hate it. But that's what they want. That ugly-ass gangrene. I'm going to talk some mess real quick. Ugly-ass gangrene. That goes with that gangrene attitude y'all got.
Speaker 2:He's not salty or anything.
Speaker 1:It's alright. I do have respect for the eagles. It's the cowboys.
Speaker 2:Absolutely have no respect for look, but here's the thing. So they're trying to do with the chiefs now what they did with the cowboys in the 90s. They're trying to say the chiefs are america's team and we're being force-fed Chiefs games over and over again.
Speaker 2:No, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Let me get this out. So not only are we being force-fed the Chiefs, but you watch any analysis, any shows, and you're hearing them say Patrick Mahomes is the greatest Patrick Mahomes, this Patrick Mahomes is the greatest Patrick Mahomes, this Patrick Mahomes, guys, he had the worst stats of all time this season. He was relying on his defense and his coaches to get this far. Now, granted, does he show up when it matters? Yes, but this man, at one point during the season, almost had more interceptions than touchdown passes.
Speaker 1:So I have a question when did Steve Young play for the 49ers?
Speaker 2:90s.
Speaker 1:How many championships did he win?
Speaker 2:One.
Speaker 1:How many times did y'all go to the championship then?
Speaker 2:Well, between the 80 go to the championship, then Well, between the 80s and the 90s.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, really specifically the 90s. I don't have the numbers in front of me, I just thought you might know.
Speaker 2:Well, we won five Super Bowls between the 80s and 90s.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, because the Cowboys still suck. Okay, that's where I'm going with this point. Continue, sir.
Speaker 2:That was an odd way to get to that continue.
Speaker 1:Sir, that was an odd way to get to that I was. It wasn't going the way I planned, but I just figured I'd come right out and say it.
Speaker 2:Well, you didn't need to do the odd circle round to talk about it.
Speaker 1:You could have just said the cowboys suck, and everybody knows that right now anyway well, I thought they won more in my argument and then I realized mid-argument they did not.
Speaker 2:So no, they. They needed to steal some of the players off the Niners to get another championship by taking Deion Sanders and Charles Haley. So not that I'm bitter about that or anything.
Speaker 1:Haley used to play for the.
Speaker 2:Redskins, charles Haley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Lineman right.
Speaker 2:Defensive line.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Defensive end.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm. All right, I'm not going down that road with you right.
Speaker 2:Defensive line, yeah, defensive end. Alright, I'm not going down that road with you, anyway. So what I was trying to say is, since we're being force fed and they're always, always, always up there and always having a prime time game, all of a sudden there's all these Chiefs fans everywhere. Where the hell were these Chiefs fans when they were winning two games a year?
Speaker 1:Certainly not in Kansas.
Speaker 2:Look, okay, If you're a diehard Chiefs fan and you've been a Chiefs fan for the longest respect, because you went through- the hard times, because there were some lean years there and you've been a Chiefs fan for the longest respect.
Speaker 1:Oh, they're going to die hard on.
Speaker 2:Ryan, Because you went through the hard times, because there were some lean years there. But all of these like jump on the bandwagon just came around. Fans, Y'all need to just go somewhere.
Speaker 1:Get off my wagon and take your band with you.
Speaker 2:Look, bandwagon fans are the worst.
Speaker 1:They are.
Speaker 2:You don't understand what it means for a fan that has stuck by a team through thick and thin, through good years and really horrible bad years and bad stretches, bad coaches bad players, and then you get to the mountaintop.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:And it's like, and they make you change your name.
Speaker 1:It feels so great.
Speaker 2:So these people that are just like jumping onto the bandwagon because they're the team and they're America's team.
Speaker 1:They're not America's team.
Speaker 2:It's like come on now.
Speaker 1:First of all, america's team is broke as shit. Okay metaphor for america. Secondly, america's team is not good at anything. Another good metaphor for america um, even though america's good at a lot of things like kicking ass, um, I don't think kansas city is not america's team, because you can't be america's team coming from kansas. I'm sorry, you're just not gonna do team because you can't be America's team coming from Kansas.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, you're just not going to do it. Nobody likes you. Well, it's middle of America, so I mean who would be America's team right now?
Speaker 1:Who would you think is actually America's team?
Speaker 2:Because we have a lot of bandwagon fans. It's going to be the Chiefs.
Speaker 1:No, they're excluded.
Speaker 2:Look, if you're currently in the Super Bowl, you're excluded. Well, that's the only people that Okay. Look, people love winning teams. They do. That's why, when a team wins the Super Bowl, all of their merch sales and everything skyrocket, and same thing with the ticket prizes they skyrocket because everybody wants to see the winning team.
Speaker 1:I kind of miss losing. Sometimes it was cheaper.
Speaker 2:Look, nobody's clamoring to go see the Jacksonville Jaguars play or the Giants play.
Speaker 1:If they were at the Super Bowl, I would Well. That goes back to your argument of the bandwagon.
Speaker 2:Exactly Like God bandwagon. Exactly Like God Bandwagon. I hate it, so anyway. So we're going to have an Eagles-Chiefs Super Bowl. Who you got in this?
Speaker 1:You already know I said earlier reluctantly, I'm going to join this shitty-ass fan base for one day, not even a week, just one three-hour time slot where I will stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you and cheer for the Eagles. No, I will not wear that dumb-ass green that y'all wear.
Speaker 2:I hate to say it, but I might be on board with that too. But I'm going to be a little less of a fan than you. I'm not going to deal the full three hours. I'm only going to do when the game has actually happened. I'm not doing intermissions, I'm not doing halftime.
Speaker 1:During halftime, he's putting his 49ers shit on.
Speaker 2:I'm going to take a break between every play.
Speaker 1:He can't say a 49ers prayer instead of in front of his 49ers shrine oh 49ers. I'm still a 49ers fan.
Speaker 2:Don't bring up my shrine. Anyway, speaking of Niners, we have brought Robert Sala back to be our defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1:Bro, I know everybody in Niners Nation is happy for that one.
Speaker 2:I am so happy for this Because I know the players are happy too, because we didn't want Sala to leave and they were happy for him to do his thing and go do whatever he needed to do. But we did not want this man to leave, and now he's back.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I think that's a good move. I think Kyle Shanahan's really going to appreciate having Salah back.
Speaker 2:Well, we need to get him some help in the draft.
Speaker 1:And look at the history. Right, excuse me guys. Look at the history of head coaches who step back from head coaching and go back to be a coordinator. It's like their knowledge has expanded so much.
Speaker 2:Like Matt Nagy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that guy One of the chiefs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we thought we were done with him Anyway.
Speaker 2:You realize, his coaching record was dog shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was dog shit, but after he had head coaching experience, went back to be a coordinator. Say to Dan Quinn, all these guys get head coaching experiences. Cliff Kingsbury, another one Head coach, failed Well, didn't fail, but it didn't work out. Now he is an ace coordinator. I see this happening for Salah. Even though he was a good coordinator before, I see him being even a little bit better and this spells good news for you all.
Speaker 2:You know what this goes back to. This goes back to the statement I made many times before Don't try to be happier than happy.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:If you're in a good situation, you don't have to go looking elsewhere. That's right. If you decide, hey, I'm going to go take the shot, cool fine, but is it going to be better than where you're at?
Speaker 1:And I hope Cliff Kingsbury is thinking the same argument because the grass is not always greener it might be, green is not always greener. This is true and you know the Jets got a lot of freaking green over there in New York man speaking of Jets.
Speaker 2:You see, they got a new head coach and they introduced him today. Of Jets. You see, they got a new head coach and they introduced him today. The Jets.
Speaker 1:They got head coach Aaron Glenn Finally finalized that deal. Is Aaron Rodgers staying in New York? These two personalities seem like they might clash.
Speaker 2:Oh, they certainly will, because Aaron Glenn he is not about the mess, I can tell you like look and his press conference he said he says players, put on your seat belts because you about to go on a ride yeah right, I want to see some coach prime in there look, he said. He says we're the jets and we're about this shit. That that's right.
Speaker 1:And you know what? I love the fire he brings, because they know this guy is speaking real, he's not just another head coach trying to blow some smoke right. Aaron Glenn was drafted by the New York Jets as a player in 1991, their first-round pick overall. He's coming home. He wants to see these guys play hard. I think he has a zero tolerance for bullshit and I think Aaron Rodgers is going to find that out rather quick.
Speaker 2:Well, and nothing says that Rodgers is even going to come back. He might just retire.
Speaker 1:Or go to the Vikings, just like Brett Favre.
Speaker 2:No, they don't need him. His career is lockstep with Brett Favre. He's not doing that. The Vikings don't want him. I don't think it's not gonna happen either. You would see sam darnold go back before you'd see aaron rogers go there and he very well might the only team I see aaron rogers going to, aside from the jets, would probably be the tennessee titans, and that's only because he could go in there, do out one more year and, you know, maybe help usher in a new quarterback, train him up.
Speaker 1:The Jets are still paying him, as are the Green Bay Packers. He's going to have to go somewhere that doesn't have long-term plans for him.
Speaker 2:I don't think they are still paying him. I thought he had a two-year deal with an option.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Well, they may have restructured it and transferred it over to the Jets, Either way like.
Speaker 2:Because his first year he got hurt. His second year was this year. Third year would be an option year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they had to restructure all that money from Green Bay at some point as part of that trade and I'm sure they were expecting to have him longer than two years.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not worried about that. That's something for their new general manager to figure out. Darren Moogie, yeah, so he's the new general manager. So they're doing kind of like what your team did New general manager, new coach.
Speaker 1:Well, Moogie's from the. Broncos. He comes from Denver.
Speaker 2:Hey, they had some pretty good drafts.
Speaker 1:They did well. I mean, look at what they're doing right now with Sean Payton. I mean they have the personnel, they got the coaching.
Speaker 2:They got a young team that's only going to get better as they add pieces to it and honestly again.
Speaker 1:Jaden Daniels is a bad man, but Bo Nix is a bad man too. He got his team to the playoffs as well. Yes, he almost gave Jayden daniels a run for his money.
Speaker 2:Rookie of the year so well, I wouldn't say that bo nicks is as good as jayden, but no I definitely he, definitely he played well in that offense.
Speaker 1:You know, I wouldn't even say jaylen hurts is as good as jayden daniels, because jayden daniels doesn't need two guys fist up his ass to push him through one yard line yeah, I love.
Speaker 2:I love how every time they talk about the tush push they talk about well, jalen Hurts can squat over 500 pounds. His feet are not on the ground.
Speaker 1:He is being pushed by his tight end or then butt cheeks is being squatted by some hands being pushed up in the air yeah, they're, they're.
Speaker 2:They're doing that double thumb hook to kind of give some extra leverage. I think.
Speaker 1:I think if they um, I think, if they ban the tush bush, I don't think the play will be banned. I think what they'll do is they'll go. Ball carrier must gain progress on his own. That that is, I think, where they're going to go.
Speaker 2:I think that's coming where they're going to say you cannot push a player forward.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think it's only going to be from the standpoint of you can't push a player forward to get them across the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and look at what happens with run plays. I mean, you have pile-up plays all the time. As soon as the pile gets there, as soon as progress is stopped and everybody's hands are on that player, the play's blown dead. So it should be the same as soon as they put their hands on it and start pushing forward, the player cannot gain progress on his own.
Speaker 2:The play's dead. Look, that was a new one on me for your game seeing, seeing Luvu jump over again and again and that was the best meme ever the best thing I saw from that was the fact that the center he is down getting ready to hike this ball and he kind of turns his helmet and looks up and sees a guy flying past him. He's just, he's just cheesing like if you go go back and watch the replay.
Speaker 1:It's so close you can see it. What the fuck like excuse my language, I can't say that, but you can see him like, look up, like that, you know you're like oh, we got another one yeah, it's so and then then the referees to be like.
Speaker 2:It was funny. I've never seen a referee be like.
Speaker 1:If he doesn't stop doing that, we're going to award them a touchdown, they will be awarded a free score and look, look, the Eagles do what they're doing.
Speaker 2:Even the Eagles are laughing going.
Speaker 1:all right, bro, but they ran that play seven times in a row. This is just the level of disrespect. Well, not level a row. This is just the level of disrespect. Well, not level of disrespect. This is just how they game plan right. They knew the commander's emotions were up, they knew their focus was off and they were not focused. If your emotion's through the roof like that, you're not focused. Luvu lined it up perfectly every time. But if you watch closely, it ain't even a hard snap. Jalen hurts is just watching luvu. He goes to hike the ball, he makes the moves, everything, he doesn't say anything, which is why it's legal. Luvu sees it dies every time and jalen hurts just stops and then they get the penalty. You gotta got to wait for them to say hike. Of course, by then it's too late because guys in the backfield are allowed to move before the snap. But you know, I hope they revisit this and I'm not trying to talk shit about the tush push, because I don't think plays should be banned because they shouldn't have been in a position.
Speaker 2:I think the plays should be banned because there has been rules in the past that banned you from assisting players forward.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's where I'm going with that.
Speaker 2:It has only been legalized since the early 2000s. They revisited it, I think it was 2003 or 2004. I'm not certain exactly when yeah but it was, it was not allowed. You know and, and I think what? They just take a qb sneak to a whole different level well, I think this needs to get back to what it used to be, which is you hand the dang ball off to the running back and make him earn his money. Get the running back in there.
Speaker 1:That or the QB gets it himself.
Speaker 2:How many times this year have we seen a running back go over the top to get the score?
Speaker 1:I can't count this year none.
Speaker 2:I think maybe twice it's happened.
Speaker 1:I didn't see any. I think maybe I saw two, that's a good stat to look up, but that's the thing, Back in the day.
Speaker 2:I hate to say that back in the day we used to see players do this all the time. I mean, you'd see Emmitt Smith go over the top and hold the ball out and get it over the line and get a touchdown.
Speaker 1:You used to see stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you used to see players going over the top all the time. You just don't see that anymore. So or you would have the, the mike allstots of of the league, where you would hand the ball off and just watch him bulldoze in, and we just don't have that yeah, and and I agree with everything you're saying the problem I have with the tush bus is kind of double, double-edged sword.
Speaker 1:Right, number one yeah, maybe your team should have played well enough not to let them get into a fourth and one or fourth and short, or a third and short. I agree with that. Okay, I'm not. I'm not knocking that at all. The argument is oh well, if you don't like it, then stop it. The problem is that is a play that legitimately cannot be stopped. I mean, has a very low percentage of stoppage success, and that is because the ball carrier is being assisted by other players.
Speaker 2:That is the part, like you say, that I think should be illegal yes, if they want to keep it, it should be like a qb sneak. How many times have we seen in brady's career where they had a one-yard gap to get the first down and he sneaked it across and got the first down? Yeah, and he wasn't being pushed on those, he just got in there.
Speaker 1:Honestly, as much as we want to talk about still lesser controversy than Chiefs in their relationship with the referees.
Speaker 2:Let's be a little more realistic here and say it for what it is. The play is a rugby scrum, ugly-ass play. Nfl fans don't want to see this.
Speaker 1:We don't watch the game. Yeah, I mean it does kind of originate. It has some rugby behind it.
Speaker 2:Well, we don't watch this game to see a bunch of guys dive at each other's legs and push into each other. As you're shoving a guy over the line at this point, why don't you just go ahead and hire a gymnast? Oh, this is wheels and backflips over the fucking line this play is not about viewership.
Speaker 1:This play is not about the fans. This play is about one thing, one thing only. This play is about advancing the ball and making sure you keep the ball, and that is it. It doesn't matter if it's ugly, it doesn't matter if it's pretty, they don't care. All they know is get the first down. Keep the ball. We'll do some pretty shit later.
Speaker 2:Look, you know, Jalen Hurts is about to. I don't know if he's done it yet, but he's going up the leaderboard for rushing touchdowns for eagles. All-time history and majority of his touchdown runs are the stupid tush bush it's okay you know how insulting that has to be to former eagles running backs who had to do the hard yards, who had to bust through defensive tackles and defensive ends, and you know play through linebacker tackles to get touchdowns while this guy is just being shoved up the butt to get across the line.
Speaker 1:It's okay because Jalen Hurts, they'll go to the Super Bowl. They might win, they might lose. In a year or two they'll be done with him, just like they were done with Dick Foles.
Speaker 2:You know what I would love to see? I would love to see that the game comes down to a tush-push for them to beat the Chiefs, just so the Chiefs could feel how annoying this play is.
Speaker 1:No, I would love to see the Chiefs win on a tush-push. I'd love to see the Chiefs do a tush-push on the Eagles to win the game. Even though I want the Eagles to win the game, I have a lot of mixed emotions right now about this situation.
Speaker 2:You're like everybody else, can they just both lose?
Speaker 1:Can't we just go back to like COVID and be like no, there's not going to be a Super Bowl this year, we're good. No Super Bowl this year. If you ever notice, the year skipped 2019.
Speaker 2:So going on to another coaching hire. Getting back on topic, liam Cohen is now the head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, which is so controversial because he told Tampa I'm not going anywhere. And yet all of a sudden he kind of went ghost. He went ghost on Tampa.
Speaker 1:He had an interview, though.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing Tampa was trying to reach him and he had even told them I'm not going to take that interview. He went ghost. And then there was a story from him about how he had a doctor's appointment with his kid, and that he was at a doctor's appointment with his kid and his wife even posted a social post saying that they were at the doctor's. Well, funny, that's around the same time that it came out that he's being hired by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now, granted, they're only a couple hours from each other there in Jacksonville and Tampa, but it's funny how that tone changed as soon as Trent Bulkey was fired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was waiting for you to get to that part.
Speaker 2:Believe me as a Niners fan. We all know how much we don't like Trent Baalke. It's funny.
Speaker 1:We talked about this off air, like about Trent Baalke, and how that was probably the deciding factor for Liam Cohen.
Speaker 2:It was the deciding factor for a lot of these coaching candidates. They didn't want to work with Trent Baalke. It's kind of funny, because this was the whole reason that Harbaugh was let go and left the Niners and went to coach Michigan yeah we let go of the wrong guy. Bulkey should have been gone because as soon as Harbaugh was out we had like 15 players that offseason they left. They either retired or they went to other teams because they didn't want to deal with bulky.
Speaker 1:But if Harbaugh never left, Michigan would never return to the big game.
Speaker 2:Maybe the Niners would have actually got a Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1:But then Ohio would be the dominant.
Speaker 2:Okay, anyway, Well, Michigan wouldn't have got their national title.
Speaker 1:They wouldn't have got that. No, I'm sorry, Not with that horrible. I don't think so.
Speaker 2:But that has its own controversy. But we're not going to dive into that, oh boy.
Speaker 1:But I think that's great for Liam Cohen. Good luck to him and the Jacksonville. Listen again. Another team I think the Jaguars might even be better than the Bears, bro, they got. Sunshine Trevor Lawrence by the way.
Speaker 2:Look, I don't know about all that.
Speaker 1:They got Brian.
Speaker 2:Thomas Jr. Yeah, he's pretty good.
Speaker 1:But they got them tight ends. I forget what the names are. Ingram, ingram they got In tight ends. I forget what the names are. Ingram they got Ingram, but they got the other guy behind Ingram.
Speaker 2:Which one is that? I don't know which one you mean.
Speaker 1:I don't have my notes in front of me, so I apologize.
Speaker 2:Anyway, but look the.
Speaker 1:Jaguars. They have some players. The Jaguars look going to be hot next year.
Speaker 2:They definitely have some good building pieces to make a good team, but you need better quarterback play out of Trevor Lawrence, because what you've seen from him these past two years, that ain't good enough.
Speaker 1:No, but I think a lot of that comes down to coaching and maybe scheme. I honestly had Bobby Slowik maybe landing here at the Jaguars, but Liam Cohen what he's done with the Bucs.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you brought Sloak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get to Sloak in a minute.
Speaker 2:Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1:He's a funny guy.
Speaker 2:This guy was looked at to be an it guy. He was going to be the next kind of guy getting cherry-picked off the Texans roster.
Speaker 1:The next Kingsbury.
Speaker 2:But the Texans parted ways with Sloan and rumor has it that this has to do with a little bit of a riff with the quarterback.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. They got into a heated debate midseason, didn't they?
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little bit. But so now Slowik is out there and he can go wherever he wants, and I think personally that he should go to the Raiders because they've got to build up that team. But you know, the silver and black got a little more silver recently when they hired themselves Pete Carroll.
Speaker 1:All who means is silver and black. That's how he says it John Spytek or John Spittek.
Speaker 2:Oh new general manager. But, could you see that, though, bring him in as their offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1:It's funny though you talk about that, because Liam Cohan, leaving the Buccaneers as the OC Sputnik, comes as an assistant GM from the Buccaneers. The Buccaneers are losing some crucial pieces here. Crucial pieces here I'm like you. I think Bobby Slug would have been a good pieces here. Crucial pieces here I'm like you, I think Bobby Slug would have been a good fit here. The Raiders hiring Pete Carroll I know he took a year off from coaching was kind of like an advisor to the Seahawks for a year or so. What do you think his motivation is here? I don't know.
Speaker 2:The man loves to coach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean he does a good job of it.
Speaker 2:I mean look some people, they're not made for retirement, they don't want to retire.
Speaker 1:I agree.
Speaker 2:And Pete Carroll's that type of person. Now, granted, does that mean he's going to be the Raiders coach for 10 years? No, he doesn't, but he's probably the right guy to come in and kind of right the ship.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he can come in and kind of right the ship. Yeah, you know he can come in, set a precedence, get a culture going. You know he's a culture scheme guy. He comes in, kind of sets the moon, gets everybody going in the right direction and he kind of gets people you know key pieces around him to kind of be lockstep. So if he does that, getting some good support you know good offensive coordinator, good defensive coordinator, rounds out his staff okay, you could see them, if they have a couple decent drafts, start to turn the tide, you know, and start being a formidable team.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they do have some players on this team. Let's not knock them. I mean Max Crosby, one of the best pass rushers in the league.
Speaker 1:I mean he wanted out.
Speaker 2:No, he doesn't.
Speaker 1:Just a few months ago he wanted out of Las Vegas, but things have obviously maybe changed with the hiring of Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2:Well, he actually said he didn't want to. He said he didn't want to leave At one point. He wanted to leave when they weren't.
Speaker 1:Well, he was probably flustered. He was over what was going on. I can understand that Contracts. I'm kind of eager to see what the Raiders do. What do you think they're going to do at quarterback? They definitely have a quarterback problem.
Speaker 2:Well, some have hinted to Russell Wilson going there, having Pete Carroll there. I don't think that's going to happen, but some have said possibly Sam Darnold, because the signs are kind of pointing to the Vikings not bringing back Sam Darnold because the signs are kind of pointing to the. Vikings not bringing back Sam Darnold. Yeah, you could plug him into Pete Carroll's offense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because Sam Darnold has clearly played himself into a viable contract somewhere. Okay, I think the question has. I don't think. I think you're right. I think the Vikings could keep JJ McCarthy. They drafted him for the future. Darnold's done a lot. He's going to get another shot. I think that's a good spot for him. I had another thought.
Speaker 2:Well, getting back to Russell Wilson, that one. Getting back to Russell Wilson and Justin Fields, the owner of the Steelers, the Roonies they came out and said that they would like to have Russell back or Justin Fields, but outlook is not good that they're going to bring back both.
Speaker 1:Honestly.
Speaker 2:I would say you did a lot with Russell, but Russell is a bit of a diva. You did a lot with Russell, but Russell is a bit of a diva and he's probably going to want a little bit of a payday, whereas Justin Fields he's still young has a lot of potential still. If you see that you can develop him a little more in the passing game, he might be the better option, even though you had such success with Russell. Now they also got to figure out what they're going to do with Pickens too, because Pickens is a free agent.
Speaker 1:I was just about to say they got to figure out what to do with Pickens. You thought Pickens might be more effective once Russell Wilson got into the frame.
Speaker 2:Well, he was for a little bit.
Speaker 1:He was for a little bit. He was for a little bit. People stopped guarding him as heavily because there was a dual threat factor there now which they still had with Justin, but it just wasn't as threatening. I don't know if Pickens is their number one. I think he definitely contributes to the team. I don't know if he's going to be future number one for them.
Speaker 1:I think he's a very talented, very smart player, definitely contributes to the team. I don't know if he's gonna be future number one for them. I think he's very talented, very smart player, um, but once wilson got in there, he had some good gains but he just this team just never really seemed to break out to me, right. Um, it's hard because russell wilson's the marquee name. He's been there, done that, he's got some good experience and he obviously still has some skill and some knowledge. But like you say, justin Fields is young Now. He had a couple games where he balled out. Yeah, he had a couple games where he balled out. But you know, I like to think that they're going to bring Wilson back just on veteran presence. But it's hard to call.
Speaker 2:Another scenario what if they went and got Rodgers?
Speaker 1:I don't think that's going to happen as long as Tomlin's still in town.
Speaker 2:Hey, Tomlin was making eyes at him when he was still with the Packers.
Speaker 1:Maybe they bring Rodgers over. Let Wilson walk and let Justin learn from him, possibly. Doesn't seem like a bad idea.
Speaker 2:I mean.
Speaker 1:How much time do you think Tomlin has left in Pittsburgh?
Speaker 2:Well, I feel like. I feel like the Steelers have a deeper-rooted issue that they are not addressing Now. When you think Steelers, you think defense, Tough, gritty defense.
Speaker 1:That's their history.
Speaker 2:Yes, when have we ever thought, man, that's Steelers offense. Just look at them high flying, scoring Never.
Speaker 1:Not since Roethlisberger.
Speaker 2:Not even then.
Speaker 1:But even then it was like it was gritty games.
Speaker 2:It was very methodical very slow grinding.
Speaker 2:So they have a problem with being loyal to that and being loyal to coaches. Like I say, a problem. It's kind of a problem and not a problem, because at least you know what the standard is. But if the standard is never have a losing season, but getting to the playoffs and losing and being bumped after the first round, I don't think fans really love that fact. I mean, yes, are you competitive every year? Yes, but I don't know any fan out there that wants for their team to just be in it but not there to win it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know you want the Super Bowl win, you want to be the champ. So status quo for them is not getting there. So sometimes maybe it's time to say hey, it's not that we don't love you, but we're not in love with you anymore and I mean, that's just the business of it you know to be honest with you I think. I think the one thing they should have done they because they know all these teams were looking for culture builders throughout the league. All these teams are struggling.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:They could have traded him and gotten so many picks to try to build a better team and bring in somebody to help usher in a new era of Steelers football, but they chose not to. They chose to still do what they've been doing. They still are doing status quo.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And, furthermore, they have an issue with not moving off of players when they can get the most out of them. I think, in just my opinion, just my opinion they should trade away Mike Tomlin and trade away JJ Watt. I know it's something the fans don't TJ. Watt, tj Watt Trade both of them away. One of them, damn Watts. Look, should trade them both away and get the most assets they can to help their team develop better. Their offensive line is not capable.
Speaker 1:Well, who would step? In as coach? Who would they? Who would then take over as coach? Who would step up or who would they trade for?
Speaker 2:This is. This is where they can't do it now, because they waited too long. They waited too long to try to pick somebody up. They can't do it now.
Speaker 1:The other question is who would trade for Mike Tomlin?
Speaker 2:The Bears would have, I think the Bears would have.
Speaker 1:The Bears 100% would have. Yeah, I think the Bears would have, and you could have got a haul from them. That's a good point, I think you're right. I think the Bears definitely would have been in need of him.
Speaker 2:The Raiders would have done that too, the Raiders?
Speaker 1:would have done that too. I don't know if the Raiders would have.
Speaker 2:Yes, they would they cleaned house. No, they would have done it too, I guarantee it. They would have taken on Tomlin 100%.
Speaker 1:I mean Tomlin's a good coach. This is why I'm talking about this, because if he leaves, he's got to go somewhere realistically.
Speaker 2:Because, think about it, I'm not saying this to say tomlin can't coach, tomlin can coach, but maybe sometimes a change of scenery is best for both parties.
Speaker 1:this could be a win for both no, I agree with you, especially if the the results aren't getting worse, but they're not getting better.
Speaker 2:You're just kind of sitting stagnant yeah, if you just have the same old, same old and it's not getting you to where you want to be yeah, and you got to evolve, you got to innovate. Now the the problem is, if you move on from Tomlin and things get worse, it's a risk you take yes, but they have done this time and time again, where they just stuck with the coach and stuck with the coach, and stuck with the coach and, yeah, and he made the playoffs.
Speaker 1:I mean he didn't really give him a reason to fire him. I mean he's the team is performing relatively decent, even in spite of their some of their downturns. I mean they really are not. I would not look at the steelers and be like man, this team's going to the Super Bowl this year, but every year they slip into the playoffs. Yeah, but I can tell you.
Speaker 2:Right now there is no fan out there. That would be. Yeah, I want 20 years of being in the playoffs and never winning anything, would you?
Speaker 1:rather have 20 years of never making the playoffs, because that's what's on the flip side, if you mess up.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily. We have already seen your team. In general, a quick turnaround can happen. That's the beauty of this league.
Speaker 1:The stars aligned for us.
Speaker 2:The stars aligned for your team, the stars could align for them as well.
Speaker 1:But most teams it takes at least half a decade to become playoff competitive, once they change coaching regimes.
Speaker 2:It doesn't take as long as you think. Bottom line is they're not going to have a Cowboys-like drought of 30-some years.
Speaker 1:Speaking of risk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So they introduced the Cowboys did, introduced their new head coach in Brian.
Speaker 1:Schottenheimer. Son of Marty Schottenheimer, Mr Fat Belt Buckles.
Speaker 2:Well, god rest his soul.
Speaker 1:Yes, because he's no longer with us no longer with us, but he was a good coach too.
Speaker 2:This was a very awkward introduction, because you had Jerry Jones sitting next to him saying this is the biggest risk you can take, and hiring a coach with no head coaching experience. Now, granted, he's been in the league for a long time, but he's never been looked at as being the head coach, and I think this kind of was a scenario where they kind of got backed into a corner. So I think what happened here Mike McCarthy didn't want to leave, but jerry wasn't going to give him what he wanted, and the two of them kind of stalemated at the bargaining table, and so it became well screwed, I'm leaving, so matt. And so he walks out and he leaves jerry jones sitting at the table. Now, granted, it didn't get better when his son went up there and talked, because he air-quoted the fact that they have been on a drought, and it's yes, you are on a drought.
Speaker 2:It's been 30 years since you've been in the championship game, let alone the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Now I know I'm going to switch gears a little bit. I know Jerry's a little crazy. Martin Schreiber and you know letting McCarthy go. Recently the Saints actually just yesterday they interviewed Mike McCarthy and they were not enamored with him. They did not view him as a head coaching candidate after the interview. Do you think McCarthy might be losing it? Do you think Jones might be on to something here?
Speaker 2:I think McCarthy doesn't necessarily fit what they want to do. It has nothing.
Speaker 1:I can agree with that.
Speaker 2:You can be a good coach and not be the fit for a team. It's happened many a times where good coaches go and interview and they're just not the fit for a team. It's happened many a times where good coaches go and interview and they're just not the fit for what the people in charge see the team being.
Speaker 1:I can agree with that and I think for them.
Speaker 2:They have a much tougher road because they're in cap hell after this season and they've got to make some tough decisions. And they've got a lot of older players that are on some very hard contracts that you're not going to really be able to trade and if you cut them you're even hurting your team even more. So they have a hard road ahead of them. So they're going to need a guy that can get the most out of not much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I agree, the Saints are a very precarious position as far as looking for a head coach. I always thought it might be Aaron Glenn, but you know. Back to the Cowboys, you know your owner saying that you're the biggest risk he could take.
Speaker 2:Not exactly words of enamor if you ask me yeah, no glowing review here, and you're sitting right next to the man while saying it. You know, like how do you think he feels? He's probably sitting there in the back of his mind going, you old wrinkly bastard.
Speaker 1:Not to mention they're bringing in Iberflues as their new DC.
Speaker 2:Which, granted, that is probably one move that was really smart, because Iberflues he is a good defensive coordinator, he's just not a good head coach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might be good for them. Maybe we see some improvement from the Cowboys. I know they're limited with their salary cap and they've got Dak Prescott. I'm hoping Brian Schottenheimer honest to God, I'm hoping Brian Schottenheimer ends up being a good decision. I like competitive football, even when it's teams I don't like.
Speaker 2:They should trade Parsons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I say, let Parsons come to Washington, come win a ring.
Speaker 2:They'll never trade him in division. I can tell you that He'll be going to the AFC.
Speaker 1:No, they'll never trade him in division.
Speaker 2:No, he's not coming to us bottom line he's got to get a payday and the cowboys? They don't really need to pay him because, let's face it, he's he. He's a okay pass rusher, but they have much bigger needs. And going even further into cap hell to pay a player that's not a feature player on the offense. I mean granted defense you need to have players on both sides, but you can't just pay him, pay Dak, pay all these other players.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You got to work it out, you got to balance it out and they need draft capital.
Speaker 1:Well, I agree.
Speaker 2:If you trade him away, you can get some good draft capital.
Speaker 1:Well, they're getting ready to hit a rebuild phase. Okay, I don't care, you hire a new head coach, you're in a rebuild phase. Parsons is in the middle of his prime. I say get max value for him, trade him, get some picks. Relieve yourself of some cap salary room, Some cap space.
Speaker 2:Sounds kind of familiar, kind of sounds like something I just said a moment ago about the Steelers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're right about that. They could benefit from similar moves, especially if they traded Mike Tomlin. So I mean it's weird, right, it's a risk for both teams. I think the Cowboys would certainly get some future value out of trading Parsons and some cap relief. The Steelers, I think, is a little bit more risk because you're trading a figurehead that's been there.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm talking about trading away their pass rusher. Well, yeah, tj Watt. Well, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1:Tj Watt's in the middle of his career now Like you could get good value for him.
Speaker 2:You can get good value and you trade him away while he still has something left, yep. So teams will give more and I hate to say it if you guys haven't been noticing. He's been getting hurt a little more often.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he ain't doing you no good. Sitting on the sideline hurt either.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Trade him away while he can get something before he becomes untradeable.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I don't know where he would land. I initially thought the Bears, but I mean there's so many know where he would land. I initially thought the bears, but I mean there's so many good places he could land and be contribute, even as a leader like yeah you could. You could get some value for him and look.
Speaker 2:I mean just because your coach is is moved or gone doesn't mean that the team can't find somebody and bring them in and make it work right, I mean look at, look at harbaugh.
Speaker 2:He goes to the chargers, takes them into the playoffs. Now, granted, he did a lot of this with same pieces. He didn't have a lot of new pieces. I mean, lad mcconkie yeah, he was new, but you consider the fact that they didn't have Keenan Allen, who was one of their best receivers, so you basically won for one. When you had McConkie, and take away Allen, they were still able to go to the playoffs with not many upgrades. So what do you think is going to happen when they give him a little more and a little more? The team's going to get a little better. Him a little more and a little more. The team's going to get a little better and a little better yeah, and, and I say honestly, that's just good coaching.
Speaker 1:Harbaugh's a good coach. So is his brother. Oh, that that really is the difference between. A lot of coaches need talent to win so their players can carry them, but you should be a good coach and you should be able to bring the best out of your players, and Harbaugh absolutely does that. Both of them, they absolutely do that, and that's why both of their teams perform the way they do. They pull the best out of all their players, and that's what good coaches do, bro. That's what you want.
Speaker 2:Well and I think there's another side of Tomlin that we don't talk about the amount of stuff that he keeps in the locker room, Because look at how many receivers have left his team and they get into trouble.
Speaker 1:Mike Wallace.
Speaker 2:Antonio Brown.
Speaker 1:Le'Veon Bell Le'Veon.
Speaker 2:Bell, le'veon Bell, probably now Pickens, because he'll go to another team and you'll see him probably.
Speaker 1:I mean, they all seem like straight shooters when they're with the Steelers. It's when they leave that they become. Did you realize who they are?
Speaker 2:Yeah, you get a little bit of the distraction, you go. Man, he didn't act this way on the Steelers.
Speaker 1:No, he did it's just Tomlin covered it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, tomlin kept it on a wrap, so there's that aspect too. The adult in the room sometimes, you know, yeah. But you know, I mean there's a lot of moves still going, you know, and hopefully these teams will round out a little bit. You know there's still a few spots still to fill with some teams.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And we're getting there, man, and let me tell you what you know as we begin to close out this show. I know the NFL season is coming to a close. It's still very hot and we will still talk about the NFL season offseason, but I'm excited to start talking about basketball. Wnba, nba, college basketball, mlb is getting ready to fire back up.
Speaker 2:We got some good things on the horizon here.
Speaker 1:Guys, once again, thank you for joining us. I'm Brian with an I and I'm Mike, and we are Two for the Win. Thanks, y'all.