Two for the Win
Mike is a U.S. Navy Veteran and Bryan has more than a decade of civil service experience. Together, these blue collar guys dissect the latest sports headlines and events.
Two for the Win
Two For The Win- E17 - Blockbuster Trades, Sporting Triumphs & Gearing Up For Basketball
Master the intricacies of NBA trades as we dissect the astonishing swap between the Lakers and Mavericks, where franchise players Luka Doncic and Anthony Davis trade places. What are the strategic motivations behind this audacious move? We'll break down the emotional rollercoaster for fans and examine how matching salaries and future planning come into play. Meanwhile, keep your ears perked for the latest buzz around NBA trade rumors and the potential impact of these player shifts on the league's future.
Prepare for an action-packed NBA All-Star Weekend and potential seismic shifts in the WNBA landscape. With thrilling anticipation, we discuss the emergence of the Tennessee Summit in Nashville and what this expansion could mean for women's basketball. We'll also celebrate recent triumphs such as Rory McIlroy’s impressive win and Triple H's induction into the WWE Hall of Fame, cementing his legacy in the world of wrestling. These stories, along with NFL international expansion talks, promise to keep you at the edge of your seat.
Feel the pulse of the NFL as we ponder whether the Kansas City Chiefs have become the new villains of the league. Unpack the nuances of sportsmanship, dynasty dynamics, and international ambitions as we reflect on the Chiefs' recent success and broader league developments. From Brock Purdy's promising contract talks with the 49ers to Chip Kelly's NFL return, our discussions are packed with insight and speculation. Join us for a whirlwind of sports updates and intriguing possibilities as we navigate this vibrant landscape together.
February 6 2025. Welcome back everybody for another exciting week of sports talk. I'm Brian with an eye and I'm Mike and we are two for the win, mike. What do we have on tonight's agenda?
Speaker 2:well, we're gonna check in with the MLB, we're going to see what has happened in this crazy NBA trade deadline. We're going to see what's happening with the WNBA, see what's going on with NIL in college football and we're gearing up for a Super Bowl, but there's still plenty of news happening outside of the super bowl man, I would tell you why we always have an exciting agenda to dive into.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, uh, but real quick, as we open the show, uh, our, our thoughts and prayers are with those who have passed and the families and communities affected by last week's tragic plane crashes, one being American Flight 5342 and the crew of the Black Hawk helicopter which they collided with, as well as the flight that crashed over Philadelphia. Our hearts and our thoughts and prayers are out to those families and communities and, that being said, on the plane crash that happened over the Potomac, several of those victims were members of the Olympic US figure skating, as well as some of their training partners, and that community is dealing with the double whammy, as longtime legend, dick Button has passed away on January 30th at the at the grand age of 95. He was Mike. He was figure skating's superstar and professor. He was the doctor of figure skating, as they say.
Speaker 1:First American Olympic gold medalist he won in 1948. Then he won it again in 1952. He was also a beloved personality, not just in the figure skating community but also in their commentary. He knew how to broadcast figure skating so you could watch it and understand it right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he kind of had two careers, you know he had the skating professional career and then moved into the commentating career where he kind of opened the door for fans to understand the skating world more, to where you know the average person could watch it and understand how difficult some of these things are. Because when you see professionals doing sports or doing any kind of activity sometimes you don't really appreciate how hard it is until a professional says yeah, that's not easy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and most of us sometimes never even realize it unless we get to experience it ourselves. So just the amount of work he put in in a lifetime and then the amount he continued to put in after his figure skating career, after getting off the ice, you know our hats off and again our thoughts and prayers to him and his family in that community. And hopefully here the last piece of sad news we have a bears owner, virginia hollis mccaskey, as of today, has passed away at the age of 102 after four decades of ownership. She was the longest tenured owner in the nfl. She has survived by 11 children and, spectacularly, 40 grandchildren, mike. So she has had a very fulfilling life and has obviously done a lot of great things with the Bears organization and she will be missed.
Speaker 2:Actually her team did her a huge favor by giving her one last win beating the rival Packers the last game of the season. So I mean, I know it's not much, I mean you really don't like to hear people passing away, but you know, being the owner of a team and getting one last win out of the team before you know you go.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It may mean something. It may not, I mean you never know. It may mean something, it may not, I mean, you never know, but you always like to think that it meant a little something for her family that the team did get one last win while she was still here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know that was sweet, especially, you say, against the Packers, a divisional rival. So I know she enjoyed that one every bit and I know she's proud of the direction that that franchise is headed in. Now. Um so again. Uh, moving into some more positive news real quickly, we want to congratulate rory mcelroy on his win at at&t at the at&t pebble beach pro-am. Uh, he finished 21 under for the tournament. He had a two-stroke victory over Shane Lurie, who was the closest American in that tournament. Congratulations, rory McIlroy. Looking to start the season off with a bam, with a bang. And then another congratulations to those of you WWF, wwe, indie, pro wrestling fans, all you pro wrestling fans. Triple H has been inducted into the WWE hall of fame. Uh, he, this man's flying high right now. He's recently the the new owner and CEO of WWE. He's a long time household legend and now he's in the hall of fame. Uh, mike, this is just spectacular. Congratulations, triple H. I I is just spectacular. Congratulations, triple H. I watched him growing up.
Speaker 2:Well, he was a figurehead of the Attitude Era.
Speaker 1:He was as many others.
Speaker 2:I mean you don't tell the story of the Attitude Era without mentioning Triple H Yep. And that was really what drew a lot of people back into watching wrestling. So you know, a lot of these guys that were big during that era are getting their due and getting acknowledged for their contributions, Because a lot of these guys really sacrificed time and their body just to make it what it was, just to make it what it was, and they really did for many years carry that organization on their backs.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah. So the fact that you have Triple H getting his due, it's a nice thing to see, yeah, and for such a long time, for an industry that seemed closed off to outsiders. I mean, the indie pro wrestling has always been a strong community, but now it seems like more than ever, the tiers of this industry are more connected. As this industry and this sport ages and evolves and gains more fanship, the smaller companies are starting to fall suit and gain notoriety along with the WWE brand. So I'm excited for the future of wrestling and pro wrestling and I'm excited for Triple H and his family.
Speaker 2:But switching gears. We're going to move on and talk some MLB. So just to catch you guys up on a few moves that have happened, maybe flew under the radar for you Harrison Bader agreed to a one-year deal with the Twins with an option for 2026. So hopefully he plays well enough and he'll get that extension. Max Scherzer definitely a name you should know if you love baseball. He's been a dominant pitcher for many years. He has found a new home with the Toronto Blue Jays on a one-year 15 15.5 million dollar contract. Mariners have reunited with Jorge Polanco. He will be with the Mariners again. And Pete Alonzo? Everybody's been wondering where is Pete going, because there's always speculation. Is he going to return to the Mets? Is he going to go elsewhere? Because a lot of teams were flirting with him, wanted him to come be a part of their team. Well, they missed out. Pete Alonzo is going back to the Mets. He's on a two-year deal for $54 million. So Mets fans can rejoice because they got their slugger back.
Speaker 1:And that's significant for them, huh.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's very significant Because the last few years he is the only other player next to Aaron Judge with the most home runs in baseball. So you can't lose that kind of production and just think everything will be all right. So, moving on to the next big move, world Series winner Jack Flaherty. He's done with the Dodgers and going back to the Tigers on a two-year deal for $35 million.
Speaker 1:Who do you think sparked that? Just the nature of the business? Or do you think something happened with the Dodgers?
Speaker 2:Well, the Dodgers already signed the Japanese pitcher.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's right. What's his name? So Jack.
Speaker 2:Flaherty kind of becomes an expandable option. They could just let him ride away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe he can go help another team.
Speaker 2:Well, he was with the tigers. That's who they traded for mid-season to get jack flarity for that push to go to the world series, and he did well for him now they're sending him back well, he chose to go back.
Speaker 1:He's going back so he said well, now y'all see, I can do it, let's go do it over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, tigers fans would rejoice in that for sure. But just a little side news. The Padres have been trying and trying and trying to make moves. Now they've made a few moves in this very tumultuous offseason for them. They have been quietly listening to offers for Dylan Cease, one of their star pitchers. Now rumor has it right now the Mets and the Cubs are linked to the right-hander and they are trying to make that work. So we'll see if that trade actually happens. It's hard to say. I mean the Padres. The last few years they've been making big, splashy moves where they bring in these guys and it's like oh man.
Speaker 2:I can't believe they got him and then they wind up trading them away or they leave in free agency. It never seems like they can get all the pieces together and keep it together. I mean, yeah, they still have Tatis. They still have, you know, a bunch of their key pieces from years past that they've gotten, but like the guys they've brought in and lost have been key contributors to their runs. Like I mean, you know, you have Tanner Scott that they traded for and now he's with the Dodgers, their rival. So it's like, ah, you know, just when we think we've got a piece that's going to help us, they go elsewhere or they go to our rival because the rival will pay them more money. So got to feel for them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, the nature of the business sometimes, I guess. So is that all we got for baseball.
Speaker 2:That's all we got for baseball. Let's move on to the NBA.
Speaker 1:Baseball is trying to gear up for their season. I'm excited they got some moves going on, but let me tell you what. Nothing bigger than some of the moves happening right now in the NBA.
Speaker 2:Mike, let's dive into that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah For sure. So I think everybody by this point, everybody knows the big move that happened last weekend the Luka Doncic trade and AD trade that happened between the Lakers and Mavericks. Now I know everybody woke up and was like what, what, this can't be real.
Speaker 1:Just a colossal, colossal trade History in the making, if you ask me.
Speaker 2:So the trade consists of Luka Doncic's Luka Doncic's Luka.
Speaker 1:Doncic.
Speaker 2:Luka Doncic yeah.
Speaker 1:Luka Doncic, are you good?
Speaker 2:My humor aside, continue, sir. So Max Kepler and Markeith Morris are going to the Lakers and the Lakers sent Anthony Davis, max Christie and a first-round pick in 2029 to the Mavericks. Now I know a lot of people are looking at this going. Well, why the hell would you trade Luka?
Speaker 2:Well, luka has had a very good career, but he's had a lot of things happen with his career that just might be frustrating for an organization, like he's had a calf injury three times to the same calf and they keep pushing for him to get in shape and train and he just not that he doesn't, but but he just doesn't apply the way they want him to.
Speaker 2:He just he just kind of comes in out of shape and says, well, screw it, I'm gonna go out there and I'm gonna do me and I'll get my points and we'll win or we'll lose and we'll get in the play, we'll get to the playoffs, but we'll get bounced. So you know it's it's. It's been very up and down with him and when they have been successful they have little snafus, like where Luca's on camera with a beer trying to drink a beer and Michael Finley, part of their front office and former player, kind of walks over and takes the beer from him and keeps walking and Luca's looking at him like bro, why you take my beer and Luca's looking at him like bro, why you take my beer and he's looking at and luca's looking at his dad like he took my beer.
Speaker 2:We're like why did he take my beer? Because, you're on camera, bro you're on camera. You can't associate the organization to drinking beer while you're on camera celebrating like it's a bad look, but yeah you know, for the fans, though, of the mavericks, it's got to feel like the biggest gut punch, because that's the guy, that's their guy, that like, if you go, if you were to go to a game, you're going to see more luca jerseys than any other jersey for the mavericks. So they're pissed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and rightfully so.
Speaker 2:The fans are so pissed that they staged a morning where they literally carried a casket with Luka's jersey and number, and all that on the casket as they carried it up to the arena.
Speaker 1:Sorry, we have to hate you now?
Speaker 2:Well, I don't think that they hate him as much as they're angry at the organization themselves for trading away their favorite player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see the significance. Let's dive into the details of this trade here. Mike, can you help me walk through the mechanics of this trade?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean it really is. You know, for the NBA you've got to kind of match salaries and you've got to make things work in a dollar sense, but also you've got to make things work from a team sense where you've got to want what you're getting back. You know, sometimes players, they move them just to dump them and that happens a lot in the NBA, where they just trade a guy just to trade him. That's not what's happening here. They got AD in return and AD is definitely somebody they want. They want to pair him with Kyrie and see how that develops. But the big thing, I think, is more so on the Lakers' side.
Speaker 1:So the Lakers are sending Anthony Davis and Max Christie to the Mavs.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And the Mavs are sending Donisic and Keebler and Morris to the Lakers.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so there's a lot happening here.
Speaker 2:Well, the Lakers, because luke is only 25 yeah, he's still relatively young. He's in his prime well, he's up for a super max deal which will get him 345 million next year shack is like what 44, so no, he's in his 50s dude not shack. Uh, lebron lebron is he's in his 50s.
Speaker 1:dude, no, not Shaq.
Speaker 2:LeBron. Lebron is he's coming up on 40, if he's not already 40. Dang me, and.
Speaker 1:LeBron, both in our 30s, hell yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought he was a little ahead of me on that one, but you're getting ahead of what I'm trying to get to my apologies. So LeBron has been there and they've kind of done everything for LeBron. You know, they've moved off of players, they've brought in AD to kind of appease what LeBron has wanted. They even drafted his son as part of keeping LeBron happy. I don't know if I'd brag about that one. There was a little bit of discussion about how this move was kind of done behind the scenes to get Luca and ship ADL and LeBron may have been told, but may have been told like right before it was happening. So part of this kind of leans to maybe the Lakers are saying hey, lebron, we're preparing for when you're gone. So Luca's the future, we're preparing for when you're gone. So look at the future, you're the past. So I wouldn't be at all surprised. Now LeBron, he wants to win.
Speaker 1:Well, there were questions about whether or not LeBron would return this season or not. Well, LeBron To his team or if he's going to go to a different team. There were questions about whether or not he was going to return.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but LeBron came back and he had every reason to come back because why not? You're set up with the Lakers. The Lakers are kind of doing everything to make you happy and they drafted your son. So good reason to come back, because he always said he wanted to play with his son and they checked that box. They did that. They had the night where he was on the court with his son. His son didn't get any points and it was a very short-lived series for his son and then they put him back on the bench and you know it's a once-in-a-lif, lifetime thing because there hasn't really been that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah but now that we're getting to the point, with luca being on the team, they also made another move where they traded they trade with the Hornets. Yes, they traded for Mark Williams. He's a center and he's not a high points guy, but he's a rim defender. Get you a rebound. He'll get some points here and there and he's going to add to their length.
Speaker 1:Isn't this what Luka was trying to tell the Mavs before they traded him? Hey, we need to go get a center.
Speaker 2:He was hoping that they would trade for some size to help aid in the fact that they don't have AD anymore, because AD he's a great defender and Luka doesn't really play defense. That's another reason the Mavs probably wanted to move off him, because he was kind of a one side of the court kind of player now granted he's awesome and they're hoping that he'll develop, I mean.
Speaker 2:but you know, sometimes it's kind of like I would put it this way ever heard the term or term or phrase where somebody says you show me a hot girl and I'll show you some guy that's sick of her crap?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I've seen that one before.
Speaker 2:That's kind of what's going on here. The Mavs are sick of his crap, so they traded him, but it happens sometimes. So the Lakers trade for Mark Williams and they send the Hornets Dalton Connect Cam Reddish a 2031 unprotected first-round pick and swap picks for the 2030 draft.
Speaker 1:Now, this is interesting. Go ahead, go ahead. We'll get this in a second.
Speaker 2:Well, it's interesting because they trade Dalton Connect who, when he was drafted by the Lakers, a lot of people said man, the Lakers lucked out that he fell to them Because he's a good player but he's not getting much playing time because he doesn't really fit. What's going on with the Lakers Now? He's going to the Hornets and he's going to get some playing time, so he might flourish over there with the Hornets, where he wasn't going to be able to do that being with the Lakers. So this might be a tale of.
Speaker 2:It works for both, you know he might hate that he got pushed out of Los Angeles, but, man, you got to play with LeBron and now you're going to go play somewhere where you're probably going to be one of the guys where you're going to not be in Laker spotlight.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So it might be his, you know, coming out party Like he might get there and he might flourish because he's not sitting there. You know having to pass the ball to LeBron, or LeBron passing the ball and he takes a shot and misses. Lebron looks at him like bro, why'd you take the shot? So he's not getting screwed by being in the spotlight of the Lakers. But we also had some contract news with the Bulls adding up to LeBron Lonzo Ball's deal Lonzo Ball Go Bulls. He got two more years at $20 million man.
Speaker 2:So I don't know how I feel about that move, because he's been an often hurt player and it's kind of like, okay, well, sure.
Speaker 1:Seems rather generous, but they value him to that extent.
Speaker 2:I guess so.
Speaker 1:You know Milwaukee Bucks trading Chris Middleton, aj Johnson and a pick swap with Washington Wizards for Kyle Kuzma, patrick Baldwin Jr and second-round draft compensation.
Speaker 2:That's significant. It's kind of interesting from the fact that when you thought of the Bucs, you had Chris Middleton as one of the key guys when they made their championship run. He was a huge part of that championship run because he was hitting crucial threes, he was making stops, he was stepping up big time when they needed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he was a big part of their championship run but injuries he just couldn't stay on the court. It's not a matter of they don't like him, it's a matter of he just couldn't stay on the court much and they love him as a player and if he could be there then they would love to keep him. But he's not there and they need production, and I mean not that kyle kuzma is going to be the same as him, but you know they might have somebody who's available.
Speaker 1:sometimes best ability is availability yeah and kyle kuzma might be able to figure something out, being with them hey, I gotta give it to them, but real quick is the jimmy butler saga are we getting some closure here what all?
Speaker 2:the the heater getting closure what are?
Speaker 1:what is going on? I are getting closure. What is going on? I said this last week. What is going on with Jimmy Butler? This week, okay, and every week it seems to be something.
Speaker 2:Well, Jimmy got what he wanted. He got it. Jimmy got traded.
Speaker 1:Where is he going, bro?
Speaker 2:So okay, Hang in for this ride. It is a complicated trade.
Speaker 1:Seven players moving among four teams.
Speaker 2:Yes, so the Warriors are receiving Jimmy Butler and they assigned him to an extension.
Speaker 1:Hold on tight.
Speaker 2:So, in return to the Heat, the Heat are receiving Andrew Wiggins, kyle Anderson, pj Tucker and a protected first-round pick Also included in this trade, the Jazz receiving Dennis Schroeder and the Pistons receiving Lindy Walters III. So all four of these teams felt like they got what they wanted out of the trade, although I do know that the Pistons or not the Pistons the Jazz did move Schroeder recently.
Speaker 1:He's just kind of getting passed around.
Speaker 2:This is that part where people move players to get off of players.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And sometimes players use the I'll take that player from you and then I'm going to turn it and flip him to somebody else. It happens all the time in the NBA.
Speaker 1:I can't imagine what that must be like.
Speaker 2:Oh, it happens all the time in the NBA, but another trade that happened. The Raptors did a trade with the Pelicans where the Raptors received Brandon Ingram and the Pelicans received Bruce Brown, kelly Olick and a first-round pick and a second-round pick. So, raptors, they got a name in Brandon Ingram and it might be, might prove to be, a better trade for the Pelicans because they're getting more out of it. But that is yet to be seen.
Speaker 2:So not bad it's not a bad trade. There's been a lot of these trades that have happened. The one that gets me that I really liked was the Spurs sending De'Aaron Foxx and the Spurs getting De'Aaron Fox from the Kings. Now they needed a point guard to kind of pair up with their lineup, because they haven't had a legitimate point guard. They also got Jordan McCollum in that trade the Kings, because this was a three-team deal.
Speaker 2:The Kings also in their end, received Zach Levine, who you know was with the Bulls, and the Bulls forever have been trying to move Zach Levine. It seemed like every time you heard about trades, oh, somebody's looking to get Zach Levine and Zach Levine would never go anywhere. The Kings also received Sidney. I know I'm gonna screw this up, it's like Cisco, cisco-o. They also received a 2025 first round pick from the Hornets. They also got a 2027 first round picks via the Spurs. They also got a 2031 first-round pick from the Timberwolves. They also received a 2025 second-round pick from the Bulls and a 2028 second-round pick from the Nuggets and a 2028 second-round pick via the Bulls.
Speaker 1:Man, that's just a king's ransom.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of players and picks being moved around for these trades to happen. Now the Bulls receive Zach Collins. Kevin, I don't know, you say that name.
Speaker 1:Kevin Huter Huter, okay, hooked on phonics Huter, huter. Okay, Hooked on phonics.
Speaker 2:Yes, does not work for me. Trey Jones and a 2025 first-round pick. Now, a lot of these picks. You've heard they were picks that have been shuffled around already. So just because you hear it doesn't mean that these things were not part of other trades or other moves that have happened. So I'm trying to find where Dennis Schroeder finally wound up, because he was moved one more time.
Speaker 1:Why are you looking for that? We had two more points to hit on with the NBA Golden State head coach, steve Kerr. He was a trade line adjustment. He thinks it should be moved to the all-star break so guys aren't getting traded. Literally a few minutes before game starts he states I mean, among other reasons, uh, you're trying to win a game. Uh, while processing those emotions at the same time, you can imagine how emotional it is when you find out as a player getting traded. And then, if it happens literally half an hour before your next match, I mean are you focused on that match anymore? Mike, like I, if I'm going into this game and I've been, and I've been working all week trying to get ready for these guys and play my best, and then, half an hour before game time, by the way, uh, you're not gonna be with us next week, like you know I can you imagine, uh, what these guys go through in that?
Speaker 2:so I kind of see what coach kerr is going through here so the warriors were the ones that had schroeder and he got moved, uh, in that trade to the jazz and the jazz sent him to the Pistons. So Schroeder will be with the Pistons. Yeah, the guy's been on the move a lot he's been on the move.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to track these things, if you have not been paying attention to the NBA.
Speaker 2:There has been a lot of moving pieces and a lot of names that might not be the front-line guys, but they have been moving around.
Speaker 1:If you haven't been go ahead, Go ahead.
Speaker 2:So I'm glad you brought up Steve Kerr and the Warriors, because, believe it or not, butler was not their first go-round for what they wanted.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:They actually were trying to get KD from the Suns. Now the problem was they went through all the workup to try to get him traded there. Problem was they went through all the the workup to try to get him traded there. And then they inquired if katie would be, if he would be willing to go back to the warriors, because he was with the warriors for their run championship, run won a championship with them. But he had had some problems with, uh, draymond green where they didn't see eye to eye and they kind of got into scuffles and so yeah you know, because of that he kind of moved on.
Speaker 2:He was like, all right, because he because, see, draymond was like, bro, we were winning without you, we don't need you oh really now. And he left. So you know, it's kind of like if you don't feel like you're wanted, then you're probably going to leave In that situation probably. So now they put in all this legwork, they're trying to make this trade and then they find out nah, bro, I'm good, I'm going to stay here with the Hornets and be on a 500 club. I'm not going to bother going to the Warriors again because y'all still got that Draymond guy who's not playing like he used to. They're an aging team. And, yeah, they got Jimmy Butler, but now you got two guys who are known between him and Draymond as being agitators on the same squad. Man, we might see some sparks fly, man.
Speaker 1:We might be a fireworks show we're going to have to pay attention to them, technicals flying everywhere we're going to have to check into them. But getting back to Wes' point, what do you think about the point Steve Kerr made, though, as far as moving the trade deadline?
Speaker 2:I think he has a valid point. I think he has a valid point because there's nothing worse for a coach. He's trying to set up his lineup, he's trying to get his guys ready, and then he finds out hey yeah, you're bench, you're losing two guys. And oh yeah, don't start your starting point guard, he's been traded. What so now? Now you've got to figure something out.
Speaker 1:As a coach, now you have player allocation because you can't get these guys hurt either. I didn't even think about that side of it.
Speaker 2:Well, and here's the thing AD and Luka, when they got traded they're already hurt. So you're trading two hurt guys, which for me I didn't really know you could trade hurt player for hurt player Well that might be part of why that trade was so colossal to offset those injuries, maybe. I don't think that was the colossal part of it man. I think it's trading a possible franchise-changing talent.
Speaker 1:Yeah, future Hall of Famer for sure.
Speaker 2:Maybe I mean he's still got plenty of career to go.
Speaker 1:He's got plenty of career to go, but he's not off to a bad start.
Speaker 2:No, no, I mean, he's definitely shown he can hang with the NBA. But we're not going to dive into all of the moves, but we wanted to hit those major ones.
Speaker 1:And these have major storyline implications too for how the NBA season overall may play out. I mean, big-name players moved. Teams that weren't necessarily in the conversation are now probably in the conversation, for sure.
Speaker 2:So the thing with moving these players is it's the time of year where some teams they're looking to cut bait with some players because maybe it's a bad contract, maybe you just want them gone because they're cancerous to locker room, kind of like the Butler deal and you want to move them. But you've got to be able to find somebody willing to do the trade and so they get creative here. I mean, we just heard where you've got three, four teams involved, where this team's going to send this player to that team and that team's going to send a person to a fourth team, and it's very crazy to see the moving parts to it and, like I was going to say earlier, if you haven't been paying attention, I don't blame you, because there's so many things going on left, right, up, down diagonal.
Speaker 1:It's hard for us to keep up, and this is what we do, man, I can't imagine if you actually got things going on during the day.
Speaker 2:I would just say, if you got time, sit down and look for it. If not, just watch the NBA and you'll start seeing players in different uniforms and be like he went there.
Speaker 1:And I mean honestly the more you tune in, the more you're going to learn. And speaking of the All-Stars break time, we have the All-Stars break time. We have the All-Stars 2025 draft Excuse me, the All-Stars 2025 draft actually coming up on this very evening. We were preparing for the show while it was going on, but we have the results right here. Tournament starts February 14th, runs to the 16th, from the San Francisco Bay Area. We got three teams here Team Shaq and actually, honestly, my favorite team is Team Shaq here. He's got LeBron at the top of the list, okay. Steph Curry, anthony Davis, jason Tatum, kevin Durant my guy, another Washington fan Damian Lillard, james Harden another favorite of mine and Jalen Brown. Honestly, I think Team Shaq is stacked. All these teams are stacked, but Team Shaq is my favorite. Team Kenny, anthony Edwards, Jalen Brunson, jerry Jackson Jr, jalen Williams, darius Garland, evan Mobley, cade Cunningham, tyler Hurrow Not a bad squad there looking pretty good. Then your third team, team Chuck Nikola Djokic I know you were wondering what his name was going to be called Giannis Anikoupo.
Speaker 2:I can't say his name Giannis Anikoupo.
Speaker 1:Anikoupo, I have never the Greek freak yeah, the Greek freak. I've never been able to say his name.
Speaker 2:Shai Gilgis-Alexander.
Speaker 1:Shai Gilgis alexander. Shay gilgis alexander, that one victor wimbayama, that guy uh, pascal sika sycom, see him pascal. You know what, mike, just take team chuck sick at onima all right, read the last three I.
Speaker 2:No, no, you're doing good. You're doing good, Go ahead Okay well, we'll try.
Speaker 1:Ballpin Park, Carl Towers and Donovan McNabb Gotcha All on Team Chuck.
Speaker 2:You mean Carl Anthony Towns and Donovan Mitchell. Actually, I kind of like Chuck's team. He's got a lot of the young blood.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to lie, lie. I like chuck's team too, but my favorite is team shack look, victor went by.
Speaker 2:Yama, that dude, that as big as he is for him to be able to handle the ball and shoot from the outside and then, with that reach, he just like man. It kind of reminds me of Manute Ball or Kimbe Matombo with the waving finger. No, no, no, no, no, he goes swat and he's just getting blocks left and right. Man Wimba Yama, he's like he's. It's hard to think he's already an all-star and he's still coming into his own, like he hasn't reached his full potential yet and he's already coming into his own. He hasn't reached his full potential yet and he's already an all-star.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to watch this.
Speaker 2:I'm excited to see what happens with him having Darren Fox as his point guard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly, and if you're new to the NBA, watch the all-stars, because this is the cream of the crop right here. It is going to go down. We're in some fireworks and these three teams are loaded there, there are.
Speaker 2:There are some that feel like there were some snubs, you know some players that didn't make it, but but I, I know the argument, I, I hear it, but yes, you're always, always gonna have your snubs, okay but I'm sitting here saying that there's none of those those players right there that I see, I don't see one that I can say definitively that yeah, we're going to yank him for someone else necessarily, because to me I see good players, I see players of all types, all calibers and from multiple organizations.
Speaker 1:Look, there's never enough cheese to go around. Okay, people are going to feel like they snubbed and people are going to believe that some players got snubbed, and I'm not going to disagree. There's probably players not on this list that might deserve to be there, but it didn't work out that way. But honestly, I'm not unhappy with this list right here. I think this is a good setup. I like Team Chuck, but I'm big on Team Shaq and I think all three of them did a really well job.
Speaker 2:Well, and we're coming up on that All-Star weekend.
Speaker 1:Next week.
Speaker 2:That's going to be Valentine's Day weekend, so the 14th through the 16th, that's when the All-Star break happens.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we'll have another show before they kick that off, but we'll hit back in on it again because I'm sure there'll be more news about it leading up to it. Meanwhile, nba is starting to heat up. Wnba is also starting to heat up, okay. First of all, they're trying to expand Nashville's bid to join. The WNBA features an investor group including Candace Parker, peyton Manning and entertainers Tim McGraw and Faith Hill. So they put together an investment group to try to stand up a WNBA team based in Nashville, to try to stand up a WNBA team based in Nashville. The team would be named Tennessee Summit in honor of late Tennessee lady Vols basketball coaching late Pat Summit. So I think that's a very honorable thing to do. I think it's cool and I like that the WNBA might be trying to get another team specifically with the investor group here, uh, listed. I mean, mike, what do you make of this?
Speaker 2:well, anytime your organization is getting to a point where they can expand and do it, at a point where you're making more for the overall product, the overall organization, that just shows that you're getting more eyeballs, you're getting more foot traffic and more people interested. And the WNBA has gotten a lot of growth. I mean, okay, the WNBA has been around since the mid-90s and for the most part nobody's really paid attention to them, even though they have had excellent talent.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now the WNBA is finally getting some traction and finally getting more viewership and getting more people interested and getting young fans that this is how sports grow. You get young fans interested and the young fans find a player they love or find a team they love and they follow that and they get in love with it. They get passionate about it and I love this for the WNBA. I love that they're getting what they have rightfully worked for.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and they're getting more. What's the word I'm looking for? They're getting more. They're being seen more. Right, more exposure, they're getting more exposure. Sorry, I blinked. They're getting more exposure right now. Their storylines are heating up. They're getting more exposure. Right now. The storylines are heating up and, for some reason, it's just a very exciting time, uh, for basketball, for basketball in general, uh, and we don't have a ton of news, you know, on the wmba, but we have a few big moves here, that one being one of them.
Speaker 1:Uh, next one, I got here, natasha howard. Uh, going back to where it all started, going back to Indianapolis Fever. Okay, she was drafted by Indiana, by Indiana. Is it Indiana or Indianapolis? That type of one of those are on. She was drafted by the Fever in 2014. Indiana she was a three-time WNBA champion, two-time WNBA All-Star, 2019 Defensive Player of the Year and 2019 All-WNBA First Team and the 2018 MIP. Just a laundry list, a mile-long resume. She's going backward again. This is significant for Fever. Congratulations to her. Going back to where she was drafted from. I'm sure they're going to have a ball with her being back.
Speaker 1:The last thing I have on shock. I'm sure there's a ton of things going on with the WNBA because, just like men's basketball, they're gearing up for a hot season too. Last thing I have on our list here Indiana Fever. They're on fire right now. Aside from Natasha Howard, indiana Fever they're on fire right now. Aside from Natasha Howard, they're getting two-time WNBA champion, six-time WNBA all-star 2015 all-WNBA first team and three-time WNBA player of the year, dewana Bonner. So the Fever's looking to come out swinging. This season they got a lot going on, so that's pretty hot. I know there's a lot more going on with WNBA.
Speaker 2:I wonder if that's the Kaitlyn Clark effect.
Speaker 1:That might be to be honest with you.
Speaker 2:Because that's her team, the Fever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Kaitlyn Clark herself. She came out with a number of awards and accolades in her first year. So very exciting time to be a Fever fan, very exciting time to be a WNBA fan. In general, moving into the college game, we don't have a lot because college football is kind of winding down. We're kind of an in-between game before March Madness starts picking up. But we do have one piece of uh news here. Texas longhorns, qb archie manning, uh secures an nil deal. Nil deal, excuse my mechanics here. Uh an nil deal with red bull. So that's pretty, mike, especially since he's on the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 2:Red Bull got their bull is what you're trying to say.
Speaker 1:Red Bull got their bulls. They got their horns. But there's, something interesting about this deal here.
Speaker 2:What's that?
Speaker 1:So the average NIL deal of the top five Mannings will make in the top six, but we'll say of the top five behind him, the highest paid NIL deals are roughly around narrow to four million dollars or less. Right, Archie's deal is two million more. $6.6 million deal with Red Bull NIL Highest paid NIL deal to date in college football right now going on. So congratulations to him and I look forward to seeing how Longhorns do behind his leadership.
Speaker 2:I feel like that has a lot to do with the name. Possibly it's the pedigree, it's the Manning name.
Speaker 1:I really want to make fun of him, but I'm not going to.
Speaker 2:I'm not making fun of him. I'm just saying everything you said just now points to why that is a higher deal than the average being around.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm not going to disagree with you. I mean Bronny James didn't have any NIL deals, but I think that was a little more his time.
Speaker 2:Well, he also. No, he just literally came out of college.
Speaker 1:Why would they enact a deal?
Speaker 2:He was around for the no, he had a heart condition that got him, you know, lost time and then he also had an issue with just getting on the court because he was coming back from that heart complication. But he also was not as good as some of the players that were on his own team.
Speaker 1:So again, Ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between, between, there's always a part of this episode where I seem to put my foot in my mouth and it's due to mike having facts that I did not have access to. So here we are once again. I'm not gonna backtrack this one, hey hey I'm just gonna eat it I it.
Speaker 2:I am not busting your balls. I am just trying to make sure that you take that foot out.
Speaker 1:We're okay, balls are not busted and put it back on the ground. Balls are not busted and foot tastes good. Let's rock and roll.
Speaker 2:You just learned all kinds of weird things about you. Let's move on to the NFL man. Let's move on to the NFL Now. We haven't had any NFL action, but we've had plenty of build-up to the nfl super bowl that is happening this sunday so the super no yeah, I I agree. There's probably a lot of people who feel do we want either team to win really?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah. I think the two teams in the Final Four were like the two teams nobody really wanted to go to the Super Bowl. You know the Chiefs look in a three-peat. Are they villains? Are they now villains? Is this like the Patriots effect, where they just won so much people hate them? Or do you think people are just fatigued of them? Like, what do you think here, man?
Speaker 2:Okay, I think both can be true. And what I mean by both can be true is we do get fatigued by seeing the same things over and over again. I mean it's like if you go and watch something on your streaming app and you've seen it, you don't go.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna watch that again and again, and again and again if it's the office you're gonna say listen, if it's the office you do. If it's the office you do.
Speaker 2:Okay, sir, there are some things you can binge watch over and over again because you're a fan of it. There are other things that, when you see it over and over again, you're just like this again, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that's kind of where people are at.
Speaker 2:People kind of get fatigued with that. But there's also the other aspect, when you know you have the outside forces kind of pushing on how you feel. So when I say the outside forces, okay, let's just take one of the players and go with this, patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1:Personally, I love this game.
Speaker 2:Personally, patrick Mahomes is not a bad guy. You know I don't necessarily have much against Patrick Mahomes. I don't like his flopping. That's kind of annoying, but overall he seems like a pretty decent guy. He doesn't really say anything that makes you go. Man, I hate that guy. He doesn't really do anything that makes you go. I don't want to see that guy on the field anymore.
Speaker 1:He walks funny.
Speaker 2:He does walk funny, that is one thing, but it's more so the people around him that really get on people's nerves, like his brother. His brother is forever getting in trouble and getting thrown out of places and getting in trouble with the law and his brother kind of bails him out and he's still hanging around him.
Speaker 1:Well, he's getting bailed out. That's why.
Speaker 2:Then you know you start seeing his wife popping up saying saying things through social media that rub people the wrong way, or you see her palling around with taylor swift or any of the other people in the booth. And you know you see her starting to show up in different SI issues wearing a swimsuit and it's like who knew who she was until she married Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1:Well, she had a very successful athletic college career herself. I don't know terribly much about Brittany Mahomes, but I know she's had some success in her own right. But you know.
Speaker 2:Not locking down Patrick Mahomes as her, her husband I think it's.
Speaker 1:I think it's fatigue. I mean people can say the same about travis kelsey. There's always a bigger shark right, there's always a bigger fish in the sea. Travis kelsey locked down taylor swift. Travis kelsey was at the peak of his nfl career, was at the peak of n stardom.
Speaker 2:But think of it this way If you didn't watch football, did you know who Travis Kelsey was? No, the people that watched football knew who Travis Kelsey was, but nobody really knew who the hell he was until he started dating Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:Look, I put him a level below Mahomes. People know Mahomes because he's in commercials and he's the franchise face. But I think once they started winning, a lot more people realized who Kelsey was. Of course he was dating Swift by then.
Speaker 2:So he has the New Hype podcast with his brother Now. They had this podcast for a number of years and they were moderate. They had some good listener follow through. But the second he started dating Taylor Swift bam, just the number of listeners skyrocketed?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because all the Swifties tuned in.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And then what happens? Then they get the $100 million deal for three years from Amazon to be a featured podcast and it's like, well, wait a second. They didn't have better numbers than some other podcasts until he started dating Taylor. They didn't have better numbers than some other podcasts until he started dating Taylor. And then people started getting fatigued from seeing Taylor at every single game and every time they show Kelsey they got to show her, and to me I don't care, you can show her as many times as you want, doesn't change my day at all. It's just like, okay, well, there's Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I think it's. I agree, I don't know if they're villains. I think it's more fatigue, right, because I remember going through this with Patriots and we'll get this to. I got something to say about Taylor Swift too. You can say Go ahead and say what you got to say, because I have a lengthy response.
Speaker 2:Response so if he's not, if he's not a villain, then why did the league just find him for 11 million, or not 11 million? 11 000 for taunting on a play that didn't involve him, last week, when they were playing the bills, or not? Last week? A couple weeks ago, when they played the Bills, he got fined $11,000,. Kelsey for the one-yard rushing touchdown play for Patrick Mahomes. He had gotten in the face of other players and was jaw-jacking and doing the what are?
Speaker 2:you going to do? What are you going to do? Just being an ass? And they didn't throw a flag at the time. They threw a flag on the Buffalo players.
Speaker 1:Well, I feel similarly about the Commanders game, Like there were things that Philly did that should have been flagged, but it seemed like they were only flagging the Commanders.
Speaker 2:Well, that's probably a little team bias going in on there.
Speaker 1:But what I mean?
Speaker 2:is. We didn't see that once in the game. We saw that multiple times with Kelsey where he was getting in people's faces and jaw jacking. I mean to me I've always had the mindset when is winning not enough? You know, like, just win. You don't have to get in somebody's face and try to show them up. Well, you know how winners are Once you win, you got to keep on winning, and for some people Well, no, you can keep on winning, but you don't need to be an asshole when you're doing it.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I think Kelsey's a little bit on the hot-headed side, Travis you don't say Like I think Kelsey's a little bit on the hot-headed side, travis.
Speaker 2:You don't say Like bumping his coach in the middle of the Super Bowl last year.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean.
Speaker 2:And nearly knocking him over.
Speaker 1:Well, jason's a little hot-headed too, look what happened with the cell phone incident with the fan. Both the Kelsey brothers are a little hot-headed. Oh, they need to rein that in. So I think they you know, I don't necessarily call them villains, though I mean you have a lot of assholes that play for football teams, and I'm not saying shit-talking doesn't happen?
Speaker 1:I mean Brady. How many times has he been on camera on the side on the bench? You know having a bad attitude with coaches and players and you know they still consider him to be the GOAT.
Speaker 2:But that's with his own players, not with the other team.
Speaker 1:Whoa.
Speaker 2:Kelsey's doing it with the other team and I don't recall Brady ever going up and chest bumping a coach almost over onto their backside.
Speaker 1:And Gronk is too outgoing, he just wants to dance with them.
Speaker 2:Gronk just wants to party.
Speaker 1:He just wants to party.
Speaker 2:Hey man, let's go. That's why, even if people got angry at Gronk, they're like man. We can't be angry at him. He's too dumb to be angry with him.
Speaker 1:And I know they say that, but he's not dumb at all. But you know, I think it's exhausting.
Speaker 2:I will play the dumb card to have his money. I'm sorry I will be the dumb guy to have that kind of money. I don't care.
Speaker 1:Look, I think it's exhausting. It was the same thing we went through with the Patriots dynasty right For like 11 years. They were in the Super Bowl like every other year. Okay.
Speaker 2:I, you know.
Speaker 1:People just get tired of seeing so much success, and I think this is a core problem in humanity Like, for some reason, people just don't like to see success in other places.
Speaker 2:Well, I agree, people are often jealous and hate seeing other people have so much success. But for me I had moments where I appreciated what the Patriots are doing. But then I had moments where I'm like not again, but I didn't despise them. You know, I didn't despise the Patriots as much as I kind of despise the Chiefs at times, because for me, like I said, I'm more of a show it on the field, win your game, but you don't have to show your opponent down. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like that's the part that I don't like and that opponent down. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, that's the part that I don't like and that's what the Chiefs are kind of about. They like doing these gimmicky plays where they sit here and spit around or do a merry-go-round kind of huddle and then they go and do some trick play. That doesn't work but they're like, oh shucks, well, we'll just get a touchdown on the next play.
Speaker 1:We'll just sit here and get in the face of the other players. I'm eager to see how they handle the tush push.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'll be interesting, but I mean to me, I just hate the there's room for the trash talk portion. That's part of the game. But there's a point when, if you got the touchdown, you don't have to look down your opponent, you don't have to get in their face and just be talking trash to them Like you got a touchdown, be happy, celebrate and then go to your sideline.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's the disciplined way. You don't have to be a jerk.
Speaker 2:You don't have to be a jerk to the other team.
Speaker 1:Well, that's the disciplined way. Now is this every game. I don't watch all the Chiefs games. Now is this every game. Kelsey's doing this.
Speaker 2:Every game.
Speaker 1:He's in their face Every game, he does something.
Speaker 2:Watch the Super Bowl closely. Watch how many times he gets in the face of another player and starts acting like a jerk.
Speaker 1:Okay Well, we'll all pay attention to that. This is the type of guy we need to do a fan interaction for this.
Speaker 2:Look, Kelsey is the type of player that when I was playing sports, I loved beating them, because they were the ones that the second they started losing. They acted like pouty little babies and look at what happened in the Super Bowl last year. When they were down, he went and got in the face of Andy Reid and bumped him in the chest, nearly knocking him over and screaming at him inches from his face.
Speaker 2:I remember that and that's supposed to be someone you respect yeah I mean in the heat of the moment yeah, discipline is a big thing, right if I was taylor swift, I'd be paying real close attention to stuff like that, because one day this guy's not gonna have football as an outlet look, taylor, swift is so big she probably got security in the room when they when they're getting it on.
Speaker 2:Okay, this is a pg podcast hey, hey, hey, I'm just, I'm just saying that ain't nobody coming to taylor swift if somebody acts that way to somebody they respect, just saying believe people when they show you who they are the first time.
Speaker 1:And you guys, somebody acts that way but he, it is competitive give it time give it time and I'm not trying to defend them or make excuses, but when we all get competitive, well, I guess that says a lot about character too, right, how you compete and how well you lose, because anybody can win but everybody can't lose, which is weird to say because you have more losers than winners in the world, because somebody can only be one winner in most cases, right. Oh yeah, not everybody's a billionaire.
Speaker 2:Well, just, because you're a billionaire don't make you a winner. Well, all I know is with a billion dollars you can buy a lot of things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it can buy a lot of things, but it can't buy respect.
Speaker 2:I don't know about that.
Speaker 1:It might buy you fake or false respect. It won't buy you real respect when people aren't near you. You like what I'm saying? Let me rephrase this Okay, you don't want people to shit on your name when they're not near you or in your earshot. Right, when people are not with you, you want people to say good things, or you want people to have nothing to say at all?
Speaker 2:Okay man, we have a podcast. People could be dog cussing the shit out of us all the damn time.
Speaker 1:I'm Brian with an I Nobody knows who I am.
Speaker 2:The hell they don't.
Speaker 1:My name could be Jacob in real life.
Speaker 2:Well, okay, Jacob. Hi, this is Jake with State Farm. Well, she sounds ugly.
Speaker 1:You got me on that one?
Speaker 2:Well, she's a guy. No, I'm.
Speaker 1:Jacob with Allstate, jake is with state farm.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Some dumb stuff like that. But you know, I think it's a perspective thing. Whether the villains or whether it's fatigue, it might be a little bit of both to be.
Speaker 2:Let me. Let me say this much though, wrapping this up I it's not that I, yes, yes, I am a 49ers fan. This does not come from a place of being bitter because of my 49ers losing to them twice. It doesn't come from that. It comes from my personal views and opinions that you know. Winning should be enough hey it should be enough.
Speaker 2:You don't need to insult your opponent and belittle your opponent. To me, you should be able to win, and win graciously, because you don't always get to the point where you're the one on top, you're not always going to be the winner, so you need to have some humility and treat your opponent with some respect. You know, I I just for me personally, I don't like seeing that and no, I agree this.
Speaker 1:We kind of talked about this a few weeks ago. We didn't know how to fit it in because I was talking about the commanders. Like you almost said it word for word like everybody can win, but you gotta be uh, you gotta have some humility about it. Right, just good winners and bad winners. But also, when you lose, you got to be able to ride that, so to speak, ride that trend down with the team. Right, you're not always going to be on top, like you say. You got to be able to take the step back and be like look, okay, we enjoyed what we had while we had it. You know, obviously sometimes it's one year and sometimes it's 20 years.
Speaker 2:Yes, I mean, just look at Brady. You say the dynasty, but it was what? 11 years between?
Speaker 1:their group Around 11 years yeah.
Speaker 2:Between their Super Bowls. Yeah, they were in there, they were in the playoffs, they were winning their division, but it wasn't like they were strung together. These are kind of strung together, they're about to possibly have a three-peat.
Speaker 1:Would you say that the Chiefs are on the cusp, or even the middle of what we could consider a dynasty now for their franchise.
Speaker 2:I would say it's already a dynasty.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What constitutes a dynasty, in my mind, is when you win multiple championships in a few years.
Speaker 1:Well, I think that dynasty has to run for well. Yeah, a few years, yeah, but at least eight to ten years.
Speaker 2:Okay, think about this they have seven AFC Championship appearances in a row. Now, did they win all those? No, but the last three they have been. Well, yeah, yeah the last three.
Speaker 1:The last three.
Speaker 2:But here's my point. Yeah, the last three, the last three. But here's my point. They have been in it every year, since they've been running with Patrick Mahomes, and you know, when you have that much success and you're winning Super Bowls, which they have- won plural Super Bowls. Yes, that constitutes a dynasty. You have a run, you have a stretch where your team is extremely successful and there's nothing to take away from that. You don't take anything away from them because it is something to be you know, right now, everybody's, everybody's remembering the Patriots and talking about what they did.
Speaker 2:And the same thing will happen when Patrick Mahomes is done. Everybody will remember it and talk about it and be like, hey, you remember when the Chiefs were doing da-da-da-da, they were going back-to-back and blah-blah. Everybody's going to remember this.
Speaker 1:This is definitely in the history books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a time that will be looked back on and there'll be memories, some of them fond, some of them not, depending on your outlook. But for me, I'm just not a fan of the way the Patriots, the way that some of the Chiefs players act. That's what I have a problem with. I don't have a problem with most of their coaches, because their coaches that they have are long-tenured coaches who have been in the league for years and done it and got themselves to the point where they're at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I can't say I disagree. I think it's open to your personal interpretation, but I don't disagree with anything you said there. Mike, moving past this a little bit real quick, I thought this was an interesting story. I kind of fit this right in the middle of our news feed. The NFL Super Bowl is going to be offering sensory-inclusive spaces. Now this actually comes directly from the Philadelphia Eagles franchise. Okay, philadelphia Eagles Eagles Autism Foundation, the EAF.
Speaker 1:They have created this sensory-friendly room built in Lincoln Financial Field and they're taking this concept to the Super Bowl this year for the first time. Okay, I think this is incredible because we actually talked about this a few weeks ago, if you go back a few episodes ago. I talked about something kind of on the fringe of this with the MLS, with soccer, but not quite. They have a device that blind people can hold and it will mimic the movements of the ball with vibrations of everything where it's at on the field, so blind people can actually kind of quote, watch the game. This isn't quite on that level, but this is a little more accommodating.
Speaker 1:It's going to offer a refuge for fans in attendance of live games who might become overstimulated by game day noise, game day action lights, simulated by game day noise. Game day action lights. Uh, the room is going to feature bean bags, fidget, activity panels, bubble walls, an interactive uh, eagles football field which is made entirely of lego. Uh, well, the eagles was made of lego. The one at the super bowl will probably look like the super bowl field. Uh, they have activity panels, you know they have light panels. They have tactile artwork. If you're not familiar tactile artwork, it's artwork that you can touch, think children's museum type thing.
Speaker 2:That's what tactile means.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'm talking to people who have not had, who do not have a wide vocabulary, okay. So I think this is interesting and a step in the right direction and we're not going to jump into politics but the NFL's keeping their DEI things in place. I think this is part of that. So being inclusive not just to their employees but also to their fans, is a huge thing for a sports franchise, the NFL, to have in place, making it more accessible and more tolerable, not just for those with kids with needs, but for those who have needs themselves, because they also have the game broadcast live in these rooms as well, although they're at a lower volume. So I think that's rather interesting that they're bringing these accommodations into play so they can have a more expansive reach to fans everywhere and fans that want to attend these events. Moving down the list here. That's great news. That's a feel-good story.
Speaker 1:Commissioner Roger Goodell says he believes the league will eventually have an international franchise alongside an international Super Bowl. This kind of goes hand-in-hand with NFL International. We have different games every year. We know one was just announced for Spain again, and now we have Melbourne Australia the Rams set to face 2026. I know we don't know who they're going to face.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the opponent's not known yet, but it could be the Seahawks or the 49ers, and there was two other teams mentioned, but mainly going to think it's West Coast teams, being that it's Australia.
Speaker 1:Real quick. Let's talk about this for a second, because you know you have NFL Europe. They have about what? A handful of teams, six to eight maybe. And then now you have the XFL formerly UFL here getting ready to gear up this spring.
Speaker 2:I thought they did adopt UFL.
Speaker 1:No, they used to be the UFL. They changed it to the XFL. They're the XFL. This year for the first time, they bought the XFL rights. So the UFL is now the XFL. They did a slight shift with the teams. The Arlington Renegades are now the Dallas Renegades We'll get into those politics later but they got six teams. So now where I'm going with this is NFL is trying to expand, right. What do you think is more likely to happen? I know neither is likely to happen. What do you think is more likely to happen? Let's play devil's advocate. The NFL wants a more expanded reach internationally. Do you think there's a chance they absorb NFL Europe or just outright stand-up franchises? We know Toronto's been wanting a team. You know Mexico's been wanting a team. There's a few international cities that have been wanting a team.
Speaker 2:Where do you think this goes in the next 10 years, mike? I think it goes wherever the money is. Yeah, flat out. I mean, that's the NFL. As long as money is being brought in and it is accommodating the league in a manner of which they can make more money, it's going to happen. So this is kind of like going to an 18th week.
Speaker 1:I was getting ready to go there.
Speaker 2:That's going to happen, because all they have to do is figure out with the player union where the players can benefit and the player union can benefit. And, to be honest, I think, if they make some allotments like expanded rosters, maybe a second bye week, maybe go ahead and add in a different compensation factor for these extra games and maybe more securities for injured players even if they're not the star player, you might see this stuff open up.
Speaker 2:As long as they can get these agreements in place, so with them expanding possibly overseas, the only way that is going to happen is if they stand up an independent league of its own over there.
Speaker 1:Like NFL Europe.
Speaker 2:But what I mean is expand it. Expand it into something that has more impact over Europe.
Speaker 1:Maybe a third conference? And what about Asia? Because I think China and Japan both want NFL teams as well as Korea.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean by expand it and make it more of a. We have the European League not just NFL Europe, but the European League where you bring in that side and have those players and teams face each other and maybe do an instance where they come over here and play against our players and vice versa.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and maybe we go to three or four conferences instead of two, so that way the conferences can kind of stay, you know, relatively in their continent no, wait, wait, are you?
Speaker 2:are you talking about expanse over here or expansion over there?
Speaker 1:well, goodell wants to expand the nfl overall. Overall, which means more teams added to the 32-team list.
Speaker 2:The only way that's going to happen is if you can suddenly find a way to develop quarterbacks that have the ability to carry franchises, because right now, look across the league, the same quarterbacks are the ones we're talking about every year.
Speaker 1:The same quarterbacks are the ones that are in it for the Super Bowl every year, there might be like eight quarterbacks that could be considered Tier 1.
Speaker 2:If I say who are the best quarterbacks in the league. You're going to get the same names every time from people. You're going to hear the Josh Allens, the Lamar Jacksons, the Patrick Mahomes, the.
Speaker 1:Jalen.
Speaker 2:Hurts the Burrows.
Speaker 1:I don't know if Jalen Hurts qualifies as the I would put Hurts, burrow and Herbert kind of on the same level.
Speaker 2:Well, if Hurts wins the Super Bowl, then maybe we'll start including him in that thought process. But right now you can't really say his name and go yeah, he's as good as Mahomes. Or he's as good as Mahomes, or he's as good as Allen.
Speaker 1:No, I think Mahomes and Allen are definitely on their own tier, along with Lamar Jackson. He's in that too.
Speaker 2:Because look passing touchdowns.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How many has he had this playoffs? He wasn't in the playoffs.
Speaker 1:No Hurts, how many passing touchdowns has he had? Sorry, I thought we were talking about the Bengals, no Hurts how many passing touchdowns does he have? Okay, sorry, I thought we were talking about the Bengals.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not talking about the Bengals, I'm talking about Hurts and how he's not in the same tier as some of these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:Now hold on. Now. The Eagles are slightly different. Okay, I know what everybody's going to say in a second, but shut up and let me talk. Okay, the Eagles have Saquon Barkley. Look, I don't care. I don't care if my quarterback is freaking.
Speaker 2:Spencer.
Speaker 1:Rattler. Okay, I don't care if my quarterback is Spencer Rattler. I got Saquon Barkley, I just need Rattler to make a few completions. We good bro, that's my point.
Speaker 2:He's not the one that you look at him and go when is the game? No, I mean honestly.
Speaker 1:no, I agree with that. He's a dual-threat quarterback. He's good. Don't get me wrong. Hurts is good, he's a smart player. But you're right.
Speaker 2:Without Saquon Barkley. I don't think they are where they are. Yes, I agree, but I mean, would they be in the playoffs? Would they be as deep as they are, possibly because they went that deep without?
Speaker 1:him. They did without him, but they yeah, I mean, but I don't think right now.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Stacey, I see you're trying to say something over there, bro. The point I was going to make is against your team. He didn't have a throwing touchdown, why?
Speaker 1:do? They got to be my team.
Speaker 2:Look, he had three rushing touchdowns and Barkley had his rushing touchdowns. Like you got to have, if you're going to be in that tier of quarterbacks that are best in the league, you've got to have the production to go with it. His production doesn't say he's in that tier, in my opinion. Now I'm sure other people will be like, oh well, just look at this game and look at that game and I'm like, okay, understand, this man is not lighting up you know the field throwing deep bombs. And like, yeah, it's all little in and out routes, like he'll occasionally throw a deep ball, but he's not, it's open.
Speaker 2:You know he's not, he's not he. Okay, I'm not saying jalen hurst is not a good quarterback, because he does process very well. He does go through his progressions in his reads. He can pre-snap read. He does have the potential Now. If he gets a Super Bowl win, it does move him up in the conversation.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that, I'm just saying you can't be the guy that's doing a tush-push to get your touchdowns all the time and expect people to be like he's the greatest quarterback ever. No, you've got to be the guy that's doing the hard work not just handing the ball off to Saquon and letting Saquon run wild, and then you occasionally throw a quick little out route to your receiver and your receiver gets all the yardage.
Speaker 1:Speaking of the tush-bush, there is actually a rule on on the table for discussion for next year. Um, it's such a trash.
Speaker 1:From now on, the ball carrier must gain yardage on his own, so that's something they're going to be talking about at the league meeting this year. Honestly, I think it's a good play, because look no other play. Are your other teammates allowed to come up and put both hands on you and literally push you forward? That would be offensive, uh, interference in most cases, or defensive interference, whatever you want to call it, whichever side of the ball you're on. Like no other play in this game are you allowed to do that? I don't know why you're allowed to do that on this play either.
Speaker 2:Well, it used to be that you couldn't do that. It's available now because they repealed the ruling on that from back in the early 2000s, but it's just an ugly play. I think it's an ugly play.
Speaker 1:I think it's a cheap shot, and the reason I think it's a cheap shot is because they use it so much. Okay, if you used it once in a while out of desperation. If you have a fourth and one you ain't been in a fourth and one in like three games, but you really want to win this game, go for it okay, especially if you're on their and one. You ain't been in a fourth and one in like three games, but you really want to win this game, go for it. Okay, especially if you're on their side of the field. Honestly, I'm in favor of going for it anyway. But the tush push is just such a cheap shot and it's pretty much guaranteed, like. I feel like it should be attributed to a lot of their success, because it is almost impossible to stop, and I mean not trying to go back to commanders, but you saw Frankie Louvu. I mean it's easy to defend. He was trying to defend it.
Speaker 2:Well, that had more to do with the snap count.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say the snap count. I mean you have to time the snap count. Yeah, well, that's what I was going to say the snap count. I mean you have to time the snap count. But if they see you as a defender trying to time the snap count, they're going to do exactly what Hurts did. If you go watch the plays, every single time he'd go up. He didn't even do a hard count, he'd go up his regular cadence, luvu would begin to go to dive and he just wouldn't snap it.
Speaker 2:I Lou Vu would begin to go to dive and he just wouldn't snap it. I know we don't have to recap that man.
Speaker 1:No, we don't have to recap, I'm just saying, but that's a little off subject. But going back to NFL International and whether or not they may expand, I think it's funny you mentioned two bye weeks because these players are, if you include the preseason, they already kind of play like 19 to 20 games. They just might not be playing hard for the preseason games. So it's really not in my opinion, it's really not out of their realm of what they're already doing.
Speaker 2:I would say add an additional bye week, because one it would also push the Super Bowl back and be on President Day weekend, a holiday weekend, where that Monday is a day off. Most people who have that day off would relish that, because then you can do your Super Bowl party, have a great time and you don't have to worry about getting up the next day.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because if you make one of the preseason games a regular season game, you're going to have to expand the season anyway because you're going to have to add in that bye week, like you say, or bye weeks, I don't know how they organize schedule, but I'm sure it will have some impact. But, yeah, it would expand the NFL schedule well into February. So you know and zero players, by the way, were in favor of having 18 regular season games- Until you get money.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, money and other incentives, but we'll see how that goes as they get close to the league meeting. You know, the next thing we got up, bill Belichick suggests. So this one I don't want to spend a lot of time on because I think it's stupid. Okay, he suggests the Lombardi Trophy should be renamed after Tom Brady. I don't know if this is a joke.
Speaker 2:It was a joke.
Speaker 1:I thought this could be something light we could mix in there. He's like players win games. You can't win games without good players. Maybe they should name it the Tom Brady Trophy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was during an interview, he was just joking around.
Speaker 1:I think he was joking too. I thought that would be funny to throw in there. We're getting down to the wire here with a few of our pieces. I think this is interesting here. What do you make of this, mike and those of you listening? Commander's ownerosh harris has come out this week publicly stating uh, the commander's name is here to stay. They're not going back to the redskins or any other franchise nickname for that matter. Okay, now, before some of you guys now don't get wrong, I'm a lifelong redskins fan myself, but I believe the way forward is to just support the new commander's name.
Speaker 1:Okay, this team is no stranger to franchise names and moves. Okay, 1933, they began as the boston braves. They were based in boston. Okay, in 1937, they moved to washington dc. That's when they changed their name to the Redskins and they've been known that. Ironically, 1937 is also the year that Jack Kent Cooke bought the franchise. By the way, they were known as the Redskins well into the 21st century, up until 2020, when Congress mandated that they changed their name. They did so for two years. Uh, as the washington football team. Uh, leading club, as the washington football club, washington football team.
Speaker 1:I have things that say both, whatever you want to call them. I actually kind of like that area it was. It was kind of cool, retro, kind of era um. But now they are the washington commanders. It's here to stay. They've obviously had some considerable uh success behind this nickname and they don't want to get rid of it. They also say it's got a lot of um support in the locker room. I think so I'm kind of superstitious superstitious as a former athlete, right, and sometimes just as a human being. You've had this success now, right, mike, you've made the NFC Championship game. You've got a star quarterback. You've got some other star players behind him, around him. Why go back to the Redskins now? I don't think they should. I'm'm just gonna come out and say it. I support the commanders and I think the way forward is as the commanders I don't really care I mean honestly, like a true 49ers fan I mean most people don't care.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just saying I agree.
Speaker 1:I don't think most people care.
Speaker 2:They're just like call yourselves what you want, we don't care, you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, you could be the Pinky Pixies for all I care.
Speaker 2:Granted, when the name was the other name, it did invoke some people to be upset Now. Granted, I know there was a lot of debate and controversy over all of that.
Speaker 1:There was.
Speaker 2:But in my opinion, if you have something that causes other people to feel uncomfortable and it's kind of gotten traction where it's like let's just move on, yeah. It's just time let's move on and let's move to something positive, which they have done. They have moved on from ownership. That was bad. They moved on from a name that was bad traction, which was also associated with a bad owner. Now they have a good owner.
Speaker 2:They have a team that looks like it's moving the right direction. They have a name that fans are kind of, you know, getting behind, so why? Why even attempt to look backwards when you got so much good ahead of you?
Speaker 1:no, and and honestly I agree with everything you say. I'm like and don't get me wrong like the, the term, and I'm not going to go too dark, I'm not going to go too deep into it here. The term Redskins was not meant to be a negligent, you know slur or racist. I think it's. I think when you put the term skins in a color connotation, over time it has come to mean something else to other people and it's a slippery slope at this point right.
Speaker 2:Regardless of what you intended for it. If it's offensive and it bothers people, it's always going to be wrong.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I agree, if it's offensive and it bothers people, it's going to be wrong. Now, I know there's debate as to whether or not it actually bothered people. I know there's debate as to what the name actually meant. Again, I won't go too deep here, but the case is Congress deemed it inappropriate, inappropriate Even. I have stopped wearing, I have worn myself the Redskins name less and less. I still wear the logo. The logo is okay, but everybody, as we go forward in the future, Commanders is what it is and I support them fully and I think that that is the way forward and I think we should respect that. Nothing lasts forever. All things come to an end, good and bad, okay, oh. So, moving on from that, we have here, uh which I thought was significant because you know that finally put some closure to what a lot of former redskins fans were calling for. Now we're going to talk a little bit about two of everybody's favorite characters, cam Newton and Jerry Jones, and this time they're in the same conversation. Mike, all right, cam Newton believes Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1:The Cowboys now this might be another joke are tanking to draft Archie Manning and hire Nick Saban as their head coach. I heard this as a rumor. I threw this in on tonight's show. Let's talk about this. Let's just play some devil's advocate. Let's just say the Cowboys hired Brian Schottenheimer in-house just as a holdover for a year until they can get their hands on Nick Saban and Archie Manning, as unlikely as it is to happen in the same scenario. What do you think, what do you make of this, mike?
Speaker 2:If it came out of Cam Newton's mouth, I don't care. Yeah yeah, I thought it was supposed to Because, to be honest, he says a lot of things and it just doesn't register with me. Because this all right.
Speaker 1:First of all, archie Manning would no there's no.
Speaker 2:now I understand the optics of it may look like that's going to happen, but there is no way in hell. Nick Saban is going to come back for another bite of the apple in the NFL right now because he's got a good thing going. Why would he suddenly, after all these years of coaching, suddenly say yep, let me go back to the nfl, where I had no success, and let me go run the most visible franchise and let me go be at the forefront of a team that really is in a horrible situation with their roster, a horrible situation with their coaching staff, and let me go and fix that? No, I don't think so. Not from that standpoint. Do I think they might try to be gunning for Archie Manning? Sure?
Speaker 1:They've got to wait a few years. Archie Manning's just getting his college career going A lot of teams will probably be gunning for him.
Speaker 2:It'll be just like when people are talking about Tank Fertua, except it hasn't panned out as good as people had hoped. But to me it's it's. It's nothing, I mean, it's it's cam reaching, you know, trying to to say some stuff to stir some controversy yeah I don't, I don't I think it's highly unlikely Archie Manning's just getting his college career started as a starter.
Speaker 1:They're going to have to wait a few years. Yeah, so if he plays, two years then that's two more years that Saban's gotten older and two more years of him not coaching Not only that, but now you're telling Cowboys fans all right, we're gonna suck for just a little bit, not even next season, maybe the next two or three seasons. Guys, just bear with us, we're getting there what's?
Speaker 2:what's? Two more when you've sucked for 30?
Speaker 1:hey, I mean they've been competitive though recently, so it's not been all bad news for them.
Speaker 2:Hey, look, you know one phrase that has never been seen by people in this day and age. You had never seen somebody post on social media. Hey, the Cowboys are in the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 1:You're right about that, not in this century. And hey, we got two big name defensive ends. Uh, could possibly be on the move trey hendrickson and miles garrett, miles garrett being a slightly bigger name, but trey hendrickson, uh, league leader in sacks. Oh man, do you think either of these guys moves? And if you do, where do you think they go?
Speaker 2:well, trey is open to the possibility of a trade if they can't work out a deal. So I feel like that's not a bad situation as much as the Garrett situation is, where Garrett he wants to play for Super Bowls and he doesn't believe that is in his future if he stays with the Browns. I think Brown wants out, really wants out, truly. I just, if any of them moves, I think it would be Garrett first.
Speaker 1:I could see Garrett moving.
Speaker 2:Because you could get a ransom for him, like you get something similar to Cleo Mack, where they got a boatload of picks. So honestly, I don't know why any team out there there should be 31 teams on the phone right now trying to inquire about him because you want Miles Garrett.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree, right now trying to inquire about him because you want miles garrett. Yeah, I, I agree. I think if you, I think people are going to target hendrickson, the people who, the teams that know they don't have the compensation to compete for garrett, are probably gonna go straight to hendrickson, and then the teams who miss out on garrett, if hendrick is still available, I think we'll jump over and try to get Hendrickson. They both, in my opinion, could possibly. I think the Bengals are, they could try to talk Hendrickson into staying. Their offense is okay. But Myles Garrett, I think he's going to get his way. I think he's going to get out.
Speaker 2:I think the majority of the fans may not be aware. Out of the two players, Hendrickson has been the one that has been the sack leader the past two seasons. He has averaged double-digit sacks the past three seasons Mm-hmm, past three seasons and you know that's saying something when you're on a team that has typically these last few years not been so hot on defense and he's kind of been quietly doing it under the radar. So if you go to get Garrett and the asking price is too high, I agree you should go hit up the bangles and go try to get this sack leader for the last few years, yeah, and see what you can get for him yeah, and you know, over on the west coast, brock Purdy and Conjurek talks.
Speaker 1:Let's go on over there. Mike, you 49ers fan, I'm gonna let you take one. What's going on with good old Brock Purdy?
Speaker 2:Well, there's a rumor that Brock Purdy is willing to work with the franchise and the contract talks right now the deal is looking more like in the Daniel Jones era of contracts, so he wouldn't be making top dollar. You know, Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes level contract. He'd be more of a mid-level, you know, average in the 40s, not the 50s, which would provide the team a lot of flexibility to keep players and or sign players. And, to be honest, if you're a free agency lineman, you might want to come talk to the Niners, since Brock Purdy buys his linemen some pretty awesome gifts. You know, buying his linemen trucks, brand new Toyota Tundras. I mean, you know all the Bengals players got was a bunch of samurai swords. Probably looking at those samurai swords and going, man, I can't drive this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh man. Well you know, do you think Purdy's performed well enough to earn a contract extension out there, Like, do you think he's what the 49ers are looking for?
Speaker 2:yes okay because okay, one thing that is wrong, true with him time and time again the processing skills are above that of his peers. He can process and make a decision faster than the majority of the other players in his position. Now, I'm not saying he has the top arm talent or that he has the top running ability, but he does have some scramble ability and he does get the ball to where it needs to go. But I mean one of the top quarterbacks, joee burrow. He doesn't have the strongest arm, but he does what is needed and gets the ball where it needs to go. Now I'm not saying that purdy's burrow or vice versa, but what I'm saying is you don't have to have the guy with the howitzer as an arm to be successful. You just need the guy that throws the pass where it needs to go, on time and on rhythm, and he's done that. You know I mean.
Speaker 1:And he's taking his team deep into playoffs multiple times and the shanahan system doesn't necessarily revolve around an all-star quarterback, so he's got that going for him too. You really just got gotta make a good read and make a good completion. You just gotta run the offense efficiently. Kyle Shanahan runs a very quarterback friendly offense, so Purdy's looking good over there with the two quick returns to the NFL that maybe you guys may have missed. Chip Kelly back with the Raiders of OC as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2:He's going to give the NFL another shot and Well, well, let's not glaze over Chip Kelly so fast. He was the OC for the College Football National Champions. Well, yeah, ohio State.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, he was there.
Speaker 2:But he is also returning Keywords to the NFL, because he was the coach of the Eagles and the 49ers both very short stints, but he did do it. So he went back to the college ranks, worked his way back up and now he's getting another shot with the.
Speaker 1:Raiders Maybe he, maybe yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe the heir apparent to win. You know their new coach, who's now 72.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2:Decides to hang it up. You know.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I like this combination Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly, because Pete Carroll's a very smart coach, knows how to run an organization, knows how to coach a team, but Chip Kelly's very aggressive on offense and I think Pete Carroll honestly a very smart coach, knows how to run an organization, knows how to coach a team, but Chip Kelly's very aggressive on offense and I think Pete Carroll honestly has missed that in his last few years in Seattle having an aggressive, offensive-minded coach.
Speaker 2:Still need to get a quarterback, but we'll see how that.
Speaker 1:We'll see how that follows, because they might hey, they might land one here this coming draft, which we'll get into next week. And then the Bears bringing in Eric Bien-Ami as their running back coach. He's fallen quite a bit since he was interim head coach to the Washington Commanders, but he's getting back in the NFL running back coach with the Bears. I like this combination, to be honest with you, because they have a banging running back group too.
Speaker 1:No, and he's a former running back himself, yeah he's a former running back himself and, don't forget, he played a key role in some of the Chiefs' early success as well with their offense, so I'm excited to see what he does.
Speaker 2:Coming back to the NFL, that's a good landing spot for him to maybe work his way back into the grace of the NFL. That's a good landing spot for him to maybe work his way back into the grace of the NFL.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But moving on to another big move well, I say big as in a former player for the Jacksonville Jaguars, former All-Pro left tackle and now Hall of Famer, tony Buscelli, has been named as the team's vice president of operations, which is awesome because he was one of the original draft picks.
Speaker 1:This is significant. Not only is he a draft pick, but they just let go of Trent Bulkey. He's going to have a hand. Yeah, thank God, he's going to have a hand. He's, he's, yeah, he's, yeah, he thank god, right, he's gonna have a hand and helping finding a new gm. And if you look at what the ravens, the commanders, a couple other franchises done, they started with, uh, vice president of player football operations and then they hired a gm and so on, so forth. So I, I ShotKon's taking note of some of these franchise transformations and I think that Jaguars are trying to move forward too. I mean, they got the roster for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're wrapping things up here. Guys had a lot of topics that we wanted to touch on. Absolutely and definitely had some we had to pass over just because of time, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I love having a loaded agenda versus not having enough to talk about. I'd rather skip subjects than sit here, and you know like we have done a couple times before in the past. But, ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between, thank you once again for joining us. It's a very exciting time in the world of sports. For the final time tonight. I'm Brian with an, I and I'm Mike. Thank you again for joining us. We are two for the win thanks, everybody.