Two for the Win
Mike is a U.S. Navy Veteran and Bryan has more than a decade of civil service experience. Together, these blue collar guys dissect the latest sports headlines and events.
Two for the Win
Two for the Win - E19 - A WNBA Legend Calls It A Career, Breaking Down Crime In The Prime & Discussing The Latest Personnel Moves and Stories
This episode dives deep into the alarming trend of burglaries targeting elite athletes, showcasing how organized crime capitalizes on their fame. We discuss the startling details of high-profile incidents involving stars like Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, highlighting the urgent need for personal security enhancements for athletes. Through riveting narratives, we unveil the missions of law enforcement in combatting these crimes and the folly of the criminals themselves, who often expose their identities via social media blunders.
We also take a moment to pay tribute to Virginia Beach police officers Cameron Girvin and Christopher Reese, whose tragic loss raises essential dialogues on safety and community responsibility. The show seamlessly transitions to vital updates in the sports world, exploring injury impacts during spring training and the exciting lead-up to March Madness in college basketball.
Engage with us as we delve into pressing issues affecting athletes and communities, posing thought-provoking questions about the intersection of fame, safety, and personal responsibility. Don’t forget to share your thoughts with us online as we keep the conversation going. We’ll invite you to be part of our interactive discussions in the following weeks, so stay tuned for more exciting content!
February 27th 2025. Welcome back everybody. It's been a long couple weeks. We got snowed out ourselves, so we got a lot to go over tonight happening in that time frame. I'm Brian with an eye and I'm Mike and we are two for the win, mike. We got a very heavy agenda night. Heavy agenda tonight. Where are we starting at?
Speaker 2:everything. I mean we're gonna hit NHL, we're gonna hit the MLB, we're gonna hit NBA, college basketball, wnba, nba which I already said and we're gonna talk about some things going on in the college football ranks and talk about NFL, as always and I'm excited.
Speaker 1:Never a dull time for sports talk. Never a dull time for sports conversation, oh, and it's always a good time for a good debate.
Speaker 2:For sure. So let's start off the show. Maybe some good news for some of these professional athletes here.
Speaker 2:Recently, the recent string of burglaries that have happened to prominent athletes such as Patrick Mahomes, travis Kelsey, john Morant from the NBA, joe Burrow and Bobby Porters, also from the NBA, as well as a few other notable athletes from other sports NHL and soccer they have been having issues where their homes are getting broken into and things have been stolen. I mean burglaries. That's essentially what it is. So recently, seven men, seven Chilean men connected to organized crime, have been running around, going to these different homes, scoping them out, breaking in and stealing items, and part of this whole sting was they went to this pawn shop in New York City and raided it and found out that it was selling some of these stolen goods.
Speaker 2:And to make matters worse, one of the dumbest things you can do as a criminal, don't post on social media. They got pictures of these dummies posting wearing Burroughs chains or wearing a jersey from a game, or just. It's so stupid. These guys got pulled over in Ohio and said oh, we're going to Orlando, and the cop's like that's clear in the other direction. What are you doing?
Speaker 1:What's in Orlando and why are you driving the wrong way?
Speaker 2:And you can see in the cop's camera. One of the guys is wearing a Bengals knit cap and it's like well, wait a second, is this guy a Bengals knit cap? And it's like well, wait a second, is this guy a Bengals fan? And some of the other guys in the back they're wearing paraphernalia from other teams and it's like kind of odd mix of teams here man, y'all going to a football party they open the back, they find an LSU shirt and some other items hidden in this vehicle.
Speaker 1:It was a Jaden Daniels jersey.
Speaker 2:No, Jaden Daniels has not been part of this, thankfully.
Speaker 1:It was memorabilia. Remember.
Speaker 2:These suspects were using stolen IDs well, not stolen IDs, but fake IDs to rent vehicles, drive all over the country, take the items, pawn them. Rent vehicles, drive all over the country, take the items, pawn them and then either use the money while they're in the States or send the money back home. It's an organized crime ring.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. And, bro, when you opened up we said these guys were running around. I imagine cartoonishly a car full of guys hustling and bustling all day long, running from place to place, with smoke coming out behind them, like no time to lose.
Speaker 2:Well, they would divide and conquer in some aspects, but I know what some people are thinking. Well, you're making millions higher security they did. There was times where these athletes had security at their house. These guys were hiding off in the woods, watching the property, watching for the changeover from one guard to the next and knowing that they had however much time to get in and get what they could and get out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So this was very organized and very purposefully driven.
Speaker 1:I mean, these guys are pros like you, can't just steal lamborghinis and land rovers like oh well, that wasn't.
Speaker 2:That wasn't what they were stealing, it was mostly what they could grab, you know, chains and jerseys, and well, I spent cash hand, you know, cash just sitting around, that kind of deal yeah, and uh, you know well, that's good for them.
Speaker 1:At least they caught those guys. Good news for them. Uh, I just want to move into a quick thought here. Uh, real quick, before we get too far down the line. Uh, you know it's a rough time in our country right now. But I just want to say our thoughts and prayers really go out to a couple of Virginia Beach Police Department officers who have fallen in the line of duty this past Saturday, february 22nd, in the early hours of the morning, officers Cameron Girvin and Christopher Reese actually two young local officers at that, two young outstanding officers. They died at the hospital after an altercation with a traffic stop. So I just want their families and their communities to know that our thoughts and prayers are with them. And it's a very tragic event that's happened. Mike, what do you have for us on this?
Speaker 2:So the cops were only 25 and 30. So both seemingly young officers. And the altercation happened when they made a traffic stop and the guy shot both both cops and while they were on the ground he went over and shot them both a second time and then walked away Like nothing happened.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I believe the suspect you know if this is tmi, I apologize. He then uh found a nearby hideaway and then uh committed suicide. So uh, sad and tragic all the way around. Uh, our thoughts and prayers out to those officers, their families, the Virginia Beach Police Department and the communities affected by those fallen. So, moving on here, let's get on with some NHL news. Guys, mike, you want to take us here with this one.
Speaker 2:Yes, the four nations wrapped up. Yes, the four nations wrapped up. We're back to normal hockey action, but we got a Canada and US championship game for the four nations and it didn't disappoint.
Speaker 2:No and it was exciting how this tournament unfolded and how they organized it, to be honest with you. Yes, yes, unfortunately for the US, they were down. One of the Kachuks, matthew Kachuk, did not play for a majority of it and actually I don't think he even made it on the ice and there was another player who also didn't make it Sorry, but his name is escaping me at the moment but this game, was tightly contested.
Speaker 2:The final score was 3-2, with Canada pulling off the win in overtime. And I'm telling you, the whole game, the whole feel of that entire game, was playoff hockey. Neither team wanted to go out without getting the win because it just for pride of nation and for pride of being the first team to do this and I hope they continue to do this and probably expand it a little, because I mean, we didn't represent every nation for kind of little obvious reasons, like Russia didn't have a team, for obvious reasons, because people are kind of pissed at Russia right now.
Speaker 1:And it might be. I mean, it may go two ways on that one. They may be like well, fuck y'all too. So excuse my language.
Speaker 2:Well, they might just start splitting some of the Russian players into other nations that will allow them to come and play for them if they continue this. I hope they continue this. If nothing else, this gave us a great preview of 2026 Winter Olympics hockey, so kudos to them.
Speaker 1:Awesome, awesome Way to cap off an extremely exciting NHL season at that, and congratulations to Canada.
Speaker 2:Yeah, congratulations to them. Bitter words to say, but I really wanted the US to win, but either here nor there. So, moving on to baseball action. So the Mets, juan Soto, bought Brett Beatty a brand new blacked out Chevy Tahoe in exchange for his jersey number number 22. That's the number that Juan Soto has worn for the majority of his career and this is not uncommon.
Speaker 2:This is not uncommon. A lot of times what happens is these players, they make a deal to trade for the jersey number. In this case it was a brand new chevy tahoe with the words thanks for 22 written on the black back glass to kind of little nod saying thanks man.
Speaker 1:but yeah, I honestly, I thought it was a classy move and chevy tahoe I mean really for some of these players. I mean small price to pay, and I like that it ended up being a gift and not just, like you know, a cash out right Like here's the cash. You know, everything seems to revolve around money. This seemed like it had some thought and some planning that went into it.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, players have done this in the past. They've bought one thing or another. It's just like, hey, what do you want? Like in the past, they've bought one thing or another. Just like, hey, what do you want? Like you know, some guys have gotten really expensive watches or they paid for their family to go on vacation or a new car, you know? Yeah, just just a little. Hey, you know, I I want my jersey number. I've been wearing it my whole career, kind of thing I kind of.
Speaker 1:I like it, especially when there's a deal made. Everybody wins man.
Speaker 2:Oh, for sure, for sure. But with that, now that we're talking baseball, we are into spring training. I know it's weird to say that we're into spring training baseball, but we are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, consider we just got snowed out.
Speaker 2:Well, they don't play anywhere where it snows. They're in Florida and they're in Arizona.
Speaker 1:Must be nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but with this there has already been two injuries of note that have happened recently.
Speaker 1:Terrible.
Speaker 2:Bobby Miller, a Dodgers pitcher, is in concussion protocol after taking a 105.5 mile an hour line drive off of his head. 105.5 mile an hour line drive off of his head. This happened off of the bat of Cubs first baseman, michael Bush. Obviously not intentional. Michael Bush actually went out there and stood next to him and was there with the training staff saying I'm so sorry, I didn't mean to do it. I mean it's one of those freak plays. The pitch happened, the ball was hit and it was just like it was on a line drive rocket right to his head. It was totally unintentional. It's just one of those things. I've seen it happen when I was playing baseball. It just is part of the game.
Speaker 2:Sometimes there are pitchers that they wear inserts in their hat that protect their head, but not all of them do and you know this happens. It does happen. It's kind of that's baseball. But also just happened recently. White Sox outfielder Andrew Benettoni is going to be out four to six weeks with a broken hand after being hit by a pitch. Never a good thing. I mean they say four to six weeks with a broken hand after being hit by a pitch. Never a good thing. I mean they say four to six weeks, but it's going to take a while for him to get back to true form.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you've got to rehab that back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you've got to rehab it and you've got to get strength back, because you're not going to be using it for four to six weeks. And having had hand injuries myself, I can tell you they're no joke. They they are huge pain and just difficult to come back from, because that losing that strength is is hard to get back don't they usually wear like protective gear or something for that?
Speaker 2:or was this just like a practice day, Well it's not mandatory that you wear any kind of protective pad on the back of your glove. Some players do. Some players have all kinds of protection. Some will have elbow guards, shin guards. Some will have extra padding on the back of their gloves. Some even have an extra little bit of a protector coming down to cover their chin. Jason Hayward comes to mind, because he actually broke his jaw after getting hit with a fastball on the chin, and so he had that extra little bit of a guard attached to his batting helmet, and you've seen a lot more players have that because of injuries like this yeah, and again.
Speaker 2:Think about how fast these things are moving. You have 95 mile an hour coming at you from only 60 feet, six inches away. Yeah, so it's moving yeah, not only that.
Speaker 1:I mean this is just like studying a car wreck. I mean weight times, inertia plus velocity, right, like I forget the exact equation.
Speaker 2:I'm not a math guy, but you know the way to the science the weight of the ball times, how fast it's moving equals impact.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I mean 95 miles an hour for a ball that weighs what? Not even a pound. I mean ounces, maybe ounces, man. Maybe, ounces, grams, whatever, and suddenly the impact becomes like several feet, maybe even close to 100 feet or more of impact. It's like getting punched by a boxer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pretty much. So yeah, those are the two injuries of note so far and hopefully we don't see more. But moving on to contract and negotiations and situations of signing players, we have Vladimir Guerrero Jr of the Blue Jays has told the Blue Jays he's going to cut off conversations of any kind of contract extension. The Blue Jays he's going to cut off conversations of any kind of contract extension and he is just going to forego. He's going to play his final year but he's going to go the entire season and go into free agency. He's done talking contracts because I don't think he's getting what he feels is fair market value. And let me tell you, the guy's production is top notch. So if they think they're just gonna let him walk and they're just gonna find another one, I don't think so. Like this guy, his dad was an amazing player.
Speaker 1:He's an amazing player I was gonna say, mike, you really think that they're just gonna let him walk after a year? I think they're going to be working on him all year.
Speaker 2:He already said. I don't want to discuss it. I think what's happening is he is done with the Blue Jays. I think the Blue Jays have not negotiated with him in a manner which he feels is fair and now he's going to just go elsewhere. It happens all the time Players, if they don't feel like they're being treated fairly by their club, they move on, and that's what's happening.
Speaker 1:Once that relationship is soured, it's hard to get it back, do you?
Speaker 2:see a scenario where this changes man. They would have to make him the highest paid first baseman in MLB and I just don't see that happening. The Blue Jays like they. It's so weird with the Blue Jays. They tend to do this every year where any big-name player like when Shohei Itani was a free agent they were in there. They were like Blue Jays are a candidate, but they didn't get them. When Aaron Judge was a free agent, he was a candidate for them but he didn't go there.
Speaker 2:Noticing a theme here Every time they're in there, but they're just not getting home with these deals. So this is going to be a situation. If he does walk away from them after the end of the year, it's going to hurt because he's a fan favorite and he's been productive for them.
Speaker 1:Where do you think he ends up at?
Speaker 2:Whoever splashes the most cash, and don't say the Dodgers, because they already have Freddie Friedman.
Speaker 1:I was just about to say, it sounds like it might be the Dodgers, maybe even the Yanks.
Speaker 2:I would tend to believe the Yankees. Well, here's the thing, and that's another thing that the Blue Jays aren't taking into consideration the Yankees will throw around some cash to get him Now. The Yankees have Paul Goldschmidt right now as their first baseman, and it's just a stopgap. He's not their long-term solution. He becomes available, vladimir Guerrero, that is.
Speaker 1:He becomes available Byeero. That is, yeah, he becomes available bye Paul, they got their dude.
Speaker 2:That's the new. Bye Felicia, bye Paul, yeah yeah. And speaking of bye-bye, uh Cubs managed to uh miss out on Breggy, uh out, uh Alex Bregman, who went to the Red Sox. So they took a step back and they said all right, we'll sign Justin Turner to be our third baseman for one year. So they got Justin Turner. He's a solid athlete. He was with the Dodgers at one point been with the Mets. He was actually a Norfolk Tide in the Mets AAA affiliation back when the Mets AAA affiliation, back when the Mets were affiliated with the Tides. But he is now going to be a Cub. And speaking of another move, the.
Speaker 2:Pirates have made a deal with starting pitcher Andrew Henney. He used to be with the Rangers, I believe.
Speaker 1:Is it Heine or Henney? It's Henney, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:He was with the Rangers and before that, I believe, he was with the Angels.
Speaker 1:That's a good pickup for the Pirates.
Speaker 2:It is. It's a very good pickup for the Pirates because, they're going to fill out their rotation a little bit and they're going to solid player. So let's move on to WNBA.
Speaker 1:Moving into the WNBA, mike. Thank you, sir Passing the torch here. We don't have a lot for the WNBA, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, because we're going to turn the spotlight solely to Diana Taurasi.
Speaker 2:Taurasi.
Speaker 1:Taurasi. Everybody knows I can't pronounce names sometimes.
Speaker 2:My bad.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the WNBA's all-time leading scorer, who led the Phoenix Mercury to three titles and won six Olympic golds herself, is retiring after 20 colossal productive seasons. This is huge in the wmba, nba, basketball world in general, this is fell across the sports landscape well, you got to think about something.
Speaker 2:we have lebron james, who has been in the league for like 20 years. Diana Taurasi 20 years. Doing 20 years in any sport is phenomenal, especially a sport like basketball.
Speaker 1:And a gift, honestly to be for real.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and a gift, honestly, to be for real, yes, yes. And I heard something about Diana Taurasi, where Kobe Bryant gave her kudos, where he said man, diana, she can play in the NBA right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He straight out said she could play here. Yeah, he straight out said she could play here. Yeah, now Kobe was not one for you know, just saying anything, to say it Like he believed it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Absolutely, if not the best, one of the best in women's basketball Definitely will be felt Very storied career. Congratulations to her on retiring and I'm sure she'll still be around in some capacity.
Speaker 1:But you know, you just can't say enough, because she had other feats. You know we won't dive we can't dive too deep into it right now because of our agenda but she had other feats off the basketball court as well, so this was just a very uh good person to celebrate. In general it's sometimes it's hard to find those, but we're sliding to regular nba news here um, we're not regular nba, just nba, yeah, nba sorry, I'm I am guys. My apologies for that. Mike keeps me straight over here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we rein each other in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we try to rein each other in. I have some tidbits that need to be cleaned up. This one might be worth debating here. Adam Silver, corey. Adam Silver, nba is investigating a trend 3PA league-wide. They're taking criticisms of off of offensive offenses being too similar. So seriously they're thinking they're basically they're investigating the increase in uh three-point attempts across the league. Uh, in 2004 I it was 15.8. Uh in 2014 it was 22.4. This year it is 37.5. So you're seeing, in my mind I'm seeing a consistent statistical increase and I think this is just shown. I mean it's similar to nfl. Offenses are getting more aggressive. Uh, the plays are getting bigger, players are getting better and more talented. So to me, this is just the advancement of the sport.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:have anything for this Mike?
Speaker 2:I do. To be honest, this is what's crushing the NBA. It is turning into. Everybody thinks they're Steph Curry and that they can hit any three on the court. You can't, I'm sorry, you can't.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Look, there are three-point shooters and there are not three-point shooters. And one of the things that frustrates me the most with the NBA now is when you're watching a game there's like little to no transition. It is I'm trying to figure out how to throw up a three. And then it's throw up a three miss, go to the other end. Throw up a three miss, go to the other end. Throw up a three make it go down the other end. Throw up a three make it go down the other end. Throw up a three make it go down the other end. Throw up a three make it go down the other end throw up a three, make it go down the other end throw up a three.
Speaker 2:That's boring. Yeah, nobody wants to see basketball like that. For as much as we say that the athletes are bigger, stronger, better, I don't want to see you doing three point shots. I want to see you work for your shot. I want to to see ball movement. I want to see these teams run a play where they're actually trying to create some sort of a fair matchup for themselves where they can gain a position over the other team, not just jack up a three oh we missed. Jack up a three, oh we missed. You know, like come on, come on now. Like nobody wants that. We want to see the alley you play where somebody's dunking it down on top of somebody. We want to see the crossover, where somebody does a great crossover and a spin move and throws awesome pass to a guy down low. We want to see that. We want to see the game played at all facets not a three-point challenge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I agree, you really got to know when to take these three-point shots. You can't just throw them up all the time. There's a time and a place right up all the time there's there's a time. There's a time and a place right. Um and again. You know we do want to see more aggressive plays down low, uh, and in the paint right or down low and you know, right under the rim, like you want to see people going in, going in for the dunks, you want to see people going in for the quick two points. You want to see people getting in chest to chest, shoulder to shoulder, and getting aggressive with each other.
Speaker 2:Well, not to say they're not doing that, but there are games where it just seems like a three-fest and it's awful to watch, like I want to see plays.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they're just slow.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's one thing if you're making them, but I think the real problem here is when the Golden State Warriors were so successful. It was when Steph and Clay were going down and they were hitting threes while the other teams were trying to get two points, and so they were pulling away from teams and it started becoming these teams are going oh, we need to catch up. We're not catching up because we're sitting here making twos while they're going down making threes, so we get four points, they get six on two transitions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again like going back. I think the other side of it is you're seeing a little bit of the evolution and the step up and aggression of the how the game is played. Right, the game speed is changing and you're right, a lot of people are coming in and they're they're wanting to put up those threes, but they might not necessarily be good three-point shots, you know oh, exactly, I mean, there's a difference between being open and throwing up a shot and finding the good shot.
Speaker 2:You know, I hate to see. I hate to see it when you know teams are just anybody and everybody on the floor throw up a three.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know I mean, and I don't, I don't mind it, I mean, you love the fact that you got a team that can make three pointers like that. If you do have a team that's like that, but you want to be dynamic? Uh, but again, like you know, a steady increase in statistics, and almost by the same gap range at that. This is, just, to me, part of the evolution of the sport.
Speaker 2:I think I got a fair assessment for this. If you can't have a 30% or higher average making threes, you don't shoot a three period.
Speaker 1:Well, they want to see. Well, yeah, you want to see 30% higher. Right, that's the like. If you're less than 30, you're kind of you shouldn't be shooting threes.
Speaker 2:Let's say for what it is. You're shooting up 10 shots and only making two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's not good.
Speaker 2:Then that's two shots made and eight possible transitions to the other end of the floor for the other team.
Speaker 1:But just real quick. 30 out of 10 would be three shots.
Speaker 2:No, I said 30%. Yeah, that'd be three shots, so 30% would be three made. Yeah, you can live with that, because league average is usually around 30%.
Speaker 1:So three out of ten, but two, yeah, two out of ten, yeah, kind of it's a very thin line. Ideally you'd be hitting, you know, the majority of them. You want somebody who's a good shot, but I digress.
Speaker 2:Yes, so let's move on to this topic. This is a pretty big story. Victor Wimbayama is going to be out for the remainder of the season, we just found out. Well, we meaning the fans found out that the reason his season is ending is because of deep vein thrombosis in his right shoulder. It's a condition that causes blood clots in his right shoulder. The condition is typically treated with blood thinners. You know medical blood thinners, and the Spurs are hopeful that he'll be able to return for next season, and this is a big impact.
Speaker 1:That's a big blow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean Wimbayama is their best player.
Speaker 1:This is like losing your star quarterback.
Speaker 2:This is like what just happened with the Mavericks.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They get AD and he goes down. Except they didn't trade for Wimbayama, they drafted him, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I mean sometimes bad luck just rolls in. And I mean you know the Spurs overall they seem to be a relatively solid team, but you know you just can't replace. It's hard to replace a player like Wimby.
Speaker 2:I mean they lose their head coach, Greg Popovich, to a stroke.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he's out recovering from that, so I'm hoping.
Speaker 1:They did say Popovich is not expected to return this season.
Speaker 2:No, he's not returning this season, but they're hoping he can return to coaching at some point.
Speaker 1:They say he might be done.
Speaker 2:He might be done, but he's hoping to come back to coaching. But I mean, I feel for both of them because they're dealing with medical issues yeah, very just, very rough time yeah, I, I, I really hope that they both have have a good recovery because, I mean, strokes are serious and so are blood clots and we we all know that, uh, we've had players in the past who have had blood clots, that have shortened their careers because of a blood clotting issue. So hopefully this isn't that and he can eventually make his way back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I mean I can only imagine, as a fan or a teammate, going through this right now for the Spurs, like just seeing your head coach deal with this in recent times, and now your number one player, beloved player at that it just this team. They're going to have to dig down deep and come up with it, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they were being talked about about possible play-in team for the playoffs, so that might be done with Guy Amidon. They were being talked about about possible play-in team for the playoffs.
Speaker 1:So that might be done. You know who else might have been a possible playoff team, who just went down by 40?
Speaker 2:The Knicks.
Speaker 1:The Knicks they were looking to be hot, but they just got stomped.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Knicks lost by 40 to the Cavaliers a little while ago.
Speaker 1:Oh wait no, they're not. That's the Celtics. I was reading something else. My eyes got ahead of me there.
Speaker 2:Anyway. So the Knicks lose by 40 to Cavs and the Knicks are now against the Celtics and the Cavs, this season combined, are 0-5 against them. Now these are the two teams that are looked at to be playoff deep contenders. So these are the teams you'll probably see later in the playoffs One if not both if you're lucky to get that far. But I want to point out something with this game that it's a trend that comes with this coach Thibodeau.
Speaker 2:Thibodeau plays his starters. He has done this everywhere he's gone. He plays his starters heavy minutes, and part of the reason he might be playing heavy minutes with his team now is they don't have much of a bench and that's what this game exposed. This game against the Cavs exposed that their bench depth is almost non-existent. Their whole offense was lackluster when their starters were off the floor and I mean you don't get down by 40 points because your bench was playing well. Now, it's not to say the starters were doing much of anything either, because you were down 40 points. You know you played horrible.
Speaker 2:Now, typically with these Thibodeau teams, when they play these heavy minutes, they tend to fizzle out when they get to playoffs. So we're looking at a trend where, yeah, thibodeau can get some results. He can get your players playing up to playoff caliber basketball, but maybe not so much finals basketball. So the Knicks might want to look at some things and be like maybe we need to make some adjustments in the offseason, possibly Not saying let's fire Thibodeau, but maybe have a meeting of the minds to adjust the way that we're playing our starters, these heavy minutes, and also, let's not forget, traded for carl anthony towns and they gave up a boatload to get him and that affected their depth. So maybe that's a bigger deal than thought at first first glance. I mean because yeah, you say hey, we got carl anthony towns on our team. Awesome, he's a good player, he can really add to us, but he can't be on the floor the entire game no you know, just like brunson can't be on the on the court the entire game.
Speaker 2:But if you're on a tibideau team you got to play those heavy minutes yeah, oh, oh well tough.
Speaker 1:So switching gears over to some basketball in the college ranks. Now, man, we are neck deep in some basketball right now. Look From the WNBA to NBA, to the college ranks.
Speaker 2:Now let me tell you, last night I watched this game. I watched the michigan state, who are number eight right now, versus the maryland terrapins, who are number 16. This game had it all. Man, it felt just like march madness. I mean, the whole arena is going bonkers. The fans are in it, they're jumping up and down. You could feel the energy sitting on your couch. It was such a great game and they were so neck and neck so neck and neck that it took a half-court three by Michigan to win the game. Michigan State won by a three-point half-court shot at the buzzer to win. I mean, it's such a crazy game.
Speaker 1:That's a hell of a shakedown right there.
Speaker 2:That was a March Madness feel I've ever seen one. Now there was something that happened in that game that kind of caught my attention. That was a little weird. So at one point a Maryland player is getting ready to shoot some free throws and then the whistle blows and it's like wait a second. He's shooting free throws. Why is the whistle blowing? And then they cut the camera over and one of the referees is escorting a player over to the sideline and as he's escorting him over, they mention he's being escorted over because he's got blood on his jersey. They kind of want players not to be sporting blood on their jerseys. Hey, get that out of there and get you a new one.
Speaker 1:Clean uniform.
Speaker 2:So he goes to take the uniform off and I'm like wait, Is he wearing a sports bra? Why is this dude wearing a sports bra? Why is this dude wearing a sports bra? And I'm going to plead my ignorance here because I didn't know this until Modern day, Joan of Arc Look look, I didn't know this.
Speaker 2:I didn't know anything about this technology. I didn't know anything about it. But after the announcer said it's a catapult tracker. Now you might be asking yourself what is a catapult tracker? It's a catapult tracker. Now you might be asking yourself what is a catapult tracker?
Speaker 2:It's a catapult Now catapult is one of the companies that makes this, but it's a. I'm going to say it does look like a sports bra, but this thing is freaking cool. It tracks everything you're doing you jump. It measures how high you make a cut. It measures when you cut. You sit there and you take a play up and you slow up. It tells you If you're running fast. It tells you it clocks your speed. It clocks your heart rate. It's taking all these data points in an effort to not only improve your game but also give you the chance to avoid injury. So much so.
Speaker 2:This thing has not only been used by college ranks. The NBA is using it. Teams like the Celtics are using it, the Oklahoma City Thunder you know two teams that are about to be in the playoffs. When we get to that point with the NBA, it's magic. Now it might be expensive to get the catapult. I haven't quite looked into the pricing, but I do know there's some options on Amazon that are still a little pricey. But if you wanted to get one of these trackers, it's a pretty cool little thing to get if you're trying to train up to be an athlete. Definitely worth looking into, especially if you play basketball, because it might help you up your game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, teach you where I mean there's no such thing as too much information, right? I mean sometimes there is, but that's in social situations. Yeah, Anyway, that seems like a pretty cool thing there. Oh, definitely check that out when you get some time.
Speaker 2:but yeah, that wasn't the only college action on last night and there was another game I wanted to touch on. The other game was the vanderbilt and texas a&m game. Tex. Texas A&M is ranked 12th and they got beat by Vanderbilt 86-84. Vanderbilt is unranked. So let's see what happens with Texas A&M and their ranking after that. I mean, this is not the time of year as we're about to approach March Madness that you want to lose to an unranked opponent.
Speaker 1:Now, do you think Texas played down to Vanderbilt, or do you think Vanderbilt played up to Texas?
Speaker 2:Vanderbilt played up and Texas A&M was not ready for it. That's what that was.
Speaker 1:Do you think they got ahead of themselves a little overconfident?
Speaker 2:No, I don't think it was ahead of themselves, I think it was the team. It's kind of like that old you can play a team 100 times and 99 times they win, but the one time is the one time kind of deal. The one time but this is what we love about college basketball is a lot of times we get into March Madness and there's a Cinderella team and you know, when you have unranked teams winning and you have teams winning by half court buzzer beaters, man we are. We are heading right into March Madness with March Madness feelings already the energy's picking up.
Speaker 1:I know you're excited, we're excited too. The pinnacle of springtime basketball is here, March Madness everybody.
Speaker 2:I don't know how people couldn't be into March Madness, because just the energy level, the enthusiasm I mean. You see these players and how jubilant they are to get the win and move on and carry their team to the next their school their jubilance. Like they're moving their entire school on to the next level and the entire stadium gets crazy.
Speaker 1:Those are good times, and I've been part of some of those crowds. The energy in situations like that is just unbelievable Like it's so surreal. Let me tell you what. Speaking of college ranks and I believe this is where I messed up earlier talk about Lamborghinis getting stolen. Carson Beck, you want to take this one, mike? What do we got here? This is an interesting one.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Carson Beck quarterback for Miami, that's the University of Miami, not the Miami Dolphins, is it? So yeah, because he just got that NIL deal from them.
Speaker 1:NIL.
Speaker 2:He got NIL deal, the NIL deal he got that NIL deal from them NIL. He got NIL deal, the NIL deal.
Speaker 1:He got the NIL deal.
Speaker 2:So, man, he gets down there. He hasn't even played for the team yet, but listen to this. So the vehicles stolen from his house was a Mercedes-Benz AMG, a Lamborghini and a 2025 Land Rover.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 2:Lord, this is a college athlete right.
Speaker 1:I'd say his bank account's an athlete, Geez Right All-timer.
Speaker 2:So the Land Rover has been recovered, but the Miami-Dade Sheriff's sheriff officer is still searching for the Lamborghini and three other suspects who are involved in this heist. They have one suspect in custody Now. This was an organized, orchestrated effort because they stole these cars while he was home sleeping.
Speaker 1:It was the Chileans. It was the Chileans again.
Speaker 2:I don't think it was the Chileans, because they were already arrested by this point, but I mean, they were stealing chains, rings and shirts. These guys were stealing the cars.
Speaker 1:They're working in tandem.
Speaker 2:Man, look, all I know is it's a bad time to have fancy things as a sports athlete, because people are coming and taking your stuff.
Speaker 1:It's a bad time to have fancy things. In general, don't let people know what you got.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you want to be the guy that's driving the busted hoopty with the low stereo, not the one with the bumping stereo and the nice ribs Owning three multimillion-dollar cars all gone.
Speaker 1:This man is driving a Ge the low stereo, not the one with the bumping stereo and the nice rims. I went in three, three multi-million dollar cars all gone. This man is driving a geo now he's, he's driving those feet yeah, he his feet, a geo, a bus pass, I don't know. But carry your books and go get an education, make more money he doesn't need to.
Speaker 2:He said in aisle deal he can go buy some more.
Speaker 1:In the words of myself now deal.
Speaker 2:Now.
Speaker 1:You got the now deal. Oh boy, now we got an interesting one right below here. Okay, and some of you may agree, some of you may not. You're welcome to chime in Via social media.
Speaker 1:Yeah, via social media. We'll get to that part at the end, don't worry, we're a little more organized. Tonight Nebraska's Matt Rule I don't know Nebraska's Matt Rule says some schools have so much NIL money that traditional recruiting battles aren't even fair anymore. Now some people say this is really how it's been all along. It's just now out in the open. Okay, I mean, I agree, this is really how it's been all along. It's just now out in the open. Okay, um, I mean, I agree nil has changed the landscape of things, do you think? I mean, I agree it probably is having an impact on recruiting recruiting too, don't get me wrong, but you would? Ideally schools that wouldn't have access to certain athletes theoretically should now, or athletes that didn't have access to certain athletes theoretically should now, or athletes that didn't have access to schools or pay should be able to have that avenue as well. It's like a give and take a little bit here. How you feel about this, mike, tell me what your thoughts are I feel that somebody needs to get matt rule as snickers.
Speaker 2:He's acting like a diva. Like stop crying.
Speaker 1:You're not yourself when you're hungry.
Speaker 2:Look, look, alright. Nick Saban left when the rules changed because he could no longer just stack up all of the number one talent recruits and have a bench step of three number ones. So this landscape has changed. It's done. The fair balance has come to this because just look at the college football playoffs, look at the teams that we're in. We're not having the days of the typical oh, georgia's in, bama's in, oh I don't know Clemson's in. You know we oh I don't know Clemson's in. We're not having the typical teams in. All the time we're getting new faces, new teams. The ranks are different. You're seeing teams that haven't been ranked in forever, like Dion with Colorado. Look at how that program turned around. That program was dead. There was nothing there. And what happened?
Speaker 1:NIL, and you know I'm eager to see with you saying that we'll bring it up Dion in Colorado, because now we have Vic in Norfolk State and Deshaun Jackson in Delaware State, yeah, so I'm eager to see if they follow the same blueprint, especially when it comes to NIL.
Speaker 2:Look so, college football. For the longest time it was the haves and the have-nots, and there was a lot of teams that were the have-nots and the ones that have. We all know who they are. We saw it time and time again oh Bama, another national championship again. Oh bama, another national championship. Bama, another national championship. Huh, funny how that works out when you have all the best recruits every single year, because you can get the best recruits every year using the same pitch we had 10 players drafted in the nfl come be with our team and we'll get you to the NFL, because we're just the revolving door to the NFL.
Speaker 2:Do you think you have the same argument when you go as a team like Boise and say, hey, come play for us. Yeah, we got a blue football field?
Speaker 1:Our biggest star didn't make it as a player, but he's a coach now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, this guy Bottom line is the balance in the college football ranks has changed and I see it as changing in a more fair, balanced situation. And when I fair, balanced situation, and when I say by balanced situation, your school has alumni. Go talk to them, drum up business, give them a reason to want to put into the team. Just because you were an NFL coach and now you're back in the college ranks isn't enough reason for them to go. You know what? Yeah, let me go ahead and donate thousands of dollars, if not millions of dollars, to getting these recruits. It's just not going to work that way. You have to show that your program is worth investing in. Your program is worth investing in. And, sorry, you can't just be that coach that came from the nfl back to the college ranks and be like I'm gonna be good because I was in the nfl. Sorry, that doesn't work that way. There's been plenty of coaches that have failed both in the nfl and and in college.
Speaker 2:So yeah I I have no sympathy for Matt Ruhle crying, because we have way too many teams that made their way up because of them doing exactly what he hates.
Speaker 1:I mean Ohio State just burned through the entire bracket.
Speaker 2:Right, but what did they do? They used NIL and the transfer portal to build up their team. Get a better.
Speaker 1:Yes, they did better nil deal, you'll get better players and, just like you said earlier, colorado state, another fun example of that yeah who was going to colorado state before Deion. I didn't even know Colorado had a state.
Speaker 2:Look, the last time they were like relevant was when Eric Biennemi was their running back. So just no, I can't. I. College football is better now, in my opinion. So people that are hanging on to the glory days of college football, and you know being like well, it was this back in my opinion. So people that are hanging on to the glory days of college football, and you know being like well it was this back in my.
Speaker 2:So what? It's gotten better. They got more eyes this year than they ever have. The college football playoffs was a success. Everybody loved it, despite some blowout wins.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but hey, you know what I like the new setup for college football I'm eager to see. I mean, NIL is still relatively young, so I'm eager to see how it evolves going forward. But I like seeing different teams in competitiveness and I like seeing a wider array of teams being talked about this last season as well.
Speaker 1:I like the influx of well, I'll say diversity, but I it is diversity because you're seeing more teams get opportunity to become part of conversation and I I like that. The more competition you have, the better your breeding results are going to be.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you'll start having like march madness type stuff yes, and here we are.
Speaker 1:You know speed. We'll have one last thing, you know, as we bridge into the nfl, here you know our, our flagship segment of our show, uh, the nfl. Um, let me find my thoughts here. What is that looking at? Sorry guys, we're going thinking, thinking, thinking the nfl combine is underway. Uh, we haven't followed that terribly closely. I, I'm literally just seeing it now. But there are some hella athletes in this, and mike, I'm going to turn it over to you real quick yeah, I've actually got something I wanted to talk about, uh, since you brought up the combine.
Speaker 2:Uh, abdul carter, who is considered, probably hands down, one of the best pass rushers coming out in this draft recently, was found to need a surgery oh, yes, yes, so there's a surgery he needs where they got to put a screw in his foot they told him, go ahead the downtime would be eight weeks, so it's not a good thing.
Speaker 1:It's not a good thing I read an update on this earlier. They actually told him not to have that surgery. He is gonna work out it for his pro day, wow okay, yeah he is gonna work out. I don't know if he's gonna have surgery afterwards or not, but I know he didn't want to hurt his draft stock uh well, he's already coming off a hurt hurt shoulder yeah which we all saw in the playoffs, where he was giving it all he could, but his shoulder was not right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I read about that earlier because I remember seeing that. Excuse me, I had a little hiccup, but I do remember seeing he's not going to have the surgery, he's going to go through his pro day, put out there what he's got and I think they're going to reconvene after that.
Speaker 2:Well, in your opinion, does this hurt his draft stock?
Speaker 1:I think it depends on what he does with surgery. Nobody look, it's a harsh part of the business, right? Nobody wants to pick up a player who's undergone recent surgery for anything. They don't want the liability, they don't want to sink the investment. It's just the business and it's harsh, don't get me right. It is harsh, uh, because a lot of players do come back from these injuries and are professional capable. Some of them don't. I don't know.
Speaker 1:To be honest with you, I think it depends on how his pro day works out. If he comes out for his pro day, puts on a show and helps himself, you know, I think he'll have more runway if he decides to do the surgery, because teams will be like, okay, well, after rehab, you know this is what we'll be seeing from you. But again, obviously that was going to be a lengthy rehab. You're talking about putting screws in his foot right. So well, I think it will hurt his draft stock to some extent. But I think if he's able to have a good pro day, I think it'll brunt it a little bit. Go ahead, mike.
Speaker 2:I think that it won't hurt his draft stock, and the reason I say that is players in the NFL, they get hurt all the time. It's what the injury is. Is this an injury that's going to be a nagging injury like a torn meniscus or a degrading disc in your back or you know? Is this a you know situation where you've torn your Achilles tendon, like we've seen this in the past, where players have dropped because of injury? Players have dropped because of injury.
Speaker 2:There was a middle linebacker for Notre Dame a while back. The Cowboys wanted to draft him Jaden dang, forget his name but he got blasted in the knee and he was going to be a number one pick. He was going to be first-round pick and he fell all the way to fourth round, but that's because his knee was obliterated. I mean, they tore every ligament in his knee, yeah, so it was like man, will he even get back on the field? He did. He did get back on the field and he played for them for a few years and was pretty good, but not quite what you would expect. But that's just an example of a player who tore up his knee still got drafted Within the fourth round. You're expecting this guy. He could possibly become a starter, because once you get past the fourth round, it's kind of like it's a crapshoot, whether these guys are starters or backups or practice squad guys.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I think it's a crapshoot from pick number one all the way down Well it depends.
Speaker 2:It depends on what your team is.
Speaker 1:I mean, it depends on what your team is, but I mean, the starriest of stars have not worked out and the gloomiest of glooms have become stars, so like it's been all over the map you're telling me johnny mazel didn't become a star he. He became a star in his own right jerry jones wanted him bad.
Speaker 2:His team, his, his, uh, his own son had to be like dad.
Speaker 1:No, we're not drafting him I'm glad, jerry, j' son has his head on straight. At least he raised his boy right.
Speaker 2:Well, I say that to lead to this. Zach Martin, offensive lineman for the Cowboys, has called it a career after 11 seasons Sayonara. So he's been a darn good offensive lineman in the NFL for those 11 years.
Speaker 1:Honestly, he has been one of the best. It is a little sad seeing him go, but as a Commanders fan, I'm a little happy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I'm sure he would have liked to have had a shot at a Super Bowl he can still if he comes over to the dark side.
Speaker 1:You know, and Commanders, you know Jay and Daniels.
Speaker 2:Not everything's about the Commanders. You know commanders, you know J&J.
Speaker 1:Not everything's about the commanders, man, all right, moving on, not yet Wait until the Chiefs fall.
Speaker 2:We're next in line. He's not the only one calling it a career. Former Falcons safety Keanu Neal has announced his retirement from the NFL. He didn't play last season, but he was an impactful safety for the Falcons and he didn't get another shot. So it's just time to call it quits and the Panthers are moving on from Shaq Thompson. After 10 seasons, the veteran linebacker will become a free agent and move on. He will be with another team next year man anybody picks him up.
Speaker 1:I remember when he was drafted okay, uh, where do you think Shaq lands?
Speaker 2:no telling man. I mean it's there if anything. He's gonna wind up with a team that may be a little young and needs some veteran presence. You know, some depth on the defensive side.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know somebody to kind of galvanize the locker room a little, kind of give that veteran presence in the locker room. Yeah Well, I mean oh, yeah, yeah true yeah, well, I mean, oh yeah, yeah, true, um, I mean, he seems like a player that will wind up on a team I hate to say it, like the jets I don't know where they need.
Speaker 2:They need a veteran guy to kind of galvanize the locker room a little bit, or he could wind up, you know, with a team that may be on the younger side and they need some veterans, you know, like Titans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to see. Yeah, Titans might not be a bad fit. Maybe the Patriots Possibly. But, he's got a Mike Vrabel you know?
Speaker 2:Well, he's got to fit the system too. That's the other thing.
Speaker 1:He's got to fit the system. But Shaq Thompson, he's a pretty smart player. I think he'll find a place. I don't think he's done.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think he's done either. I think he could still play. It's just like he has to stay on the field. He's had some injury issues these last few seasons and has missed some time, and that's kind of why it's kind of Panther saying hey, yeah, we want to go a little bit younger and move in a different direction.
Speaker 1:I mean this moment comes for all athletes, across every sport, right Like one moment. You are the young hotshot, then you're the bridge player, before you realize that you are the mentor, veteran guy. You're there to instill what you've learned and what you've brought. And it does go by fast.
Speaker 2:Well, father time is undefeated when it comes to sports. Everybody is told you're done.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:It's up.
Speaker 1:And it's best to try to take it with grace and humility.
Speaker 2:If you're lucky.
Speaker 1:If you're lucky with grace and humility.
Speaker 2:Not everybody gets the Ray Lewis where you can go out on a Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or the Peyton Manning, he got one too.
Speaker 2:He got drugged to a Super Bowl. He got drugged at a Super Bowl Roofies.
Speaker 1:No, dragged oh dragged. He got dragged.
Speaker 2:You didn't hear me right. He got dragged to a Super. Bowl not drugged to a Super.
Speaker 1:Bowl. He did get dragged to a Super Bowl and I remember that Super Bowl. That first snap went right over his head. Oh, boy, oh my God. That was a rough one for him.
Speaker 2:No, that wasn't his first one.
Speaker 1:No, that was the first one with the Broncos that was the other one, but, um, it was a long time ago. Yeah, hey, finding our notes here, this is a fun one right here. I like this. I love feel good stories. Man, this was your note. I'm gonna let you take the lead here on this one okay.
Speaker 2:so what happens when you win a super bowl? Well, you not only get the victory, you not only get, you know, the notor, notoriety and your name is out there, but now your name is associated for other things, like Saquon Barkley. Saquon Barkley has the unique honor that on the Super Bowl, which happened to be his birthday, he is now sharing his birthday with a penguin at the Adventure Aquarium, his birthday with a penguin at the Adventure Aquarium, at the Adventure Aquarium. And now not only do they share that, they also share a name. The penguin, the baby penguin, at Adventure Aquarium is being named Saquon.
Speaker 1:See, isn't this better than greasing light poles Like this is better than millions of dollars in lost revenue because you tore your city to shreds Like this is a great story right here, the penguin who's named after saquon barkley because they share the same birthday and he was born on the super bowl.
Speaker 2:When he was born on the super bowl, that was.
Speaker 1:That's just incredible. That's a good one right there, um, you know, and speaking of evolutions of sports, right at some point and this ain't even just evolution of sport this is something that we might be faced with in our workforce one day. But the NFL in 2025, and Mike, you tell me if you think this is a good thing or a bad thing, thing or bad thing the nfl is benching their human operated chain gang for an electronic first down measurement system in 2025. I don't have a lot of details on the system they're implementing yet, but I have thought that they should implement some kind of digital variation into the game for a long time now. I thought it would help them. I personally have felt it would help them manage the game a little bit better, maybe slightly. Fairly Obviously, the refs need some attention. But, mike, how do you feel about this?
Speaker 2:I feel like this is the South Park episode, with all the rednecks going. They took their jobs, yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, hopefully those employees will still have a function in some capacity. Maybe they'll just go to reviewing the spot and helping spot the ball, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Um, honestly, I think for optics sake you keep the chain gang, but you don't march them out to the center of the field anymore and do that awkward. Everybody get out of the way. Get out of the way, uh, wait, no, the ball was. Yeah, the ball was right there, uh let me, let me pull this chain forward. Oh, they clearly didn't get it.
Speaker 1:It's by a yard and then you hope the guy at the other end of the chain was standing in the correct place to begin with or you get the embarrassing moment where they pull out an index card to show that it's a first down. Some of these are like pastime classics that I will miss watching. It will speed the game up because they will know exactly, hopefully, where to spot the ball.
Speaker 2:I think it is a slightly needed improvement I think the players like screw you, keep it. You're taking a small chunk of a time out for us. We don't want it to go away yeah, true, true.
Speaker 1:They were tight, like if you need to catch your breath. Oh, chain gags coming out. Good, all right, I'm gonna take a break.
Speaker 2:Let me sit down where's this water people.
Speaker 1:I want some water. Get right over here. Somebody spray something in my mouth. That was weird to say like that. I'm not going to do that again. Oh, my God, I realized it instantly, that was not okay.
Speaker 2:Speaking of awkward, the tush push.
Speaker 1:Woo.
Speaker 2:We're not doing better here. It came out that somebody was putting together a package to say why the tush push should be eliminated, and for a little while there was all this anonymity where nobody knew who it was. And then it came out it was the Packers. The Packers are like we don't want this play. This play sucks. Get it out of the game.
Speaker 1:You mean the team that's publicly owned and operated by a board.
Speaker 2:I'm saying the team that got beat twice by the Eagles and the tush-push was used against them multiple times in those games.
Speaker 1:Hey, welcome to Commanders fans wives or anybody in the NFC East. But the other two don't matter, or the other three don't matter.
Speaker 2:Not everything is Commanders, anyway, moving on. So what I wanted to say on this is this is not that complicated to fix, it's very simple. You just say simply this If you're going to do this play, you cannot aid, push any runner beyond the line of scrimmage Period. That means the second you go behind Jalen hurts and try to push him forward. Penalty, however long, how many? Every yard you want to do? 5, 10, 15. You know I give up the ball it's.
Speaker 1:This is honestly a really hard thing to debate because there's so much gray and it's such a fine line. Mike right, I had a good debate with a friend of mine the other day about this. How do you address this without changing the core of the game and how the game is played? Right, because you can't. You can't make formations illegal. Well, I mean, you can, but it was.
Speaker 2:They have a penalty for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, illegal formations well, illegal formations, but I'm talking about the tush push, like they use it out of a couple different formations. Actually, most often, obviously, you know a double wide back, but a double wide, you know back with the shotgun set up most often. Or they run it from the single with the double wide, double bag. You know what I'm saying anyway. Oh, and they load up that, that freaking line, but, like, how do you change the rules or limit the rules so that you're not impacting, right? We? We talked about a number of things, right, just for, just for, um, you know, uh, situationally speaking, right, you have the tackle box. Right Now, could you? When the quarterback leaves the tackle box, he's considered a runner, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he's not leaving the tackle box. He's in the tackle box and being shoved forward. You're right, he's in the tackle box and being shoved forward. You're right. That's why I said the easiest way to do it is saying you cannot aid or assist any player in crossing the line of scrimmage. Meaning no pushing of a player across the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1:So he would have to do it himself.
Speaker 2:He would have to do it himself. It's called a quarterback sneak, something that Mr Tom Brady did quite successfully throughout his career and he didn't need somebody pushing him to do it.
Speaker 2:There is no reason that they should be able to continue to do this play. It is an ugly play. Now I get it From a standpoint. It is masterfully schemed and it only works for them for a simple reason Jalen Hurts is not the same size as other quarterbacks, he's not as tall. So when these taller quarterbacks, like Josh Allen, like Justin Herbert, try to do this play, they can't duck down behind the linemen and hide.
Speaker 1:So the linemen can clear the way for them.
Speaker 2:Yes, because they're getting hit before they ever get down low enough. They can't get low enough. And all this talk about Jalen Hurts using his legs he squats over 500 pounds. His legs aren't on the damn ground.
Speaker 1:I have seen replays where his feet aren't even on the ground and he's got. He's lifted by his britches, basically being shoved forward.
Speaker 2:He's getting the double thumb hook pushed forward. So what I want to see is you can still do that play, but, jalen, you're on your own. I don't want to see anybody touching you or pushing you. You've got to push that forward all on your own.
Speaker 1:So the ball carrier must cross the line of scrimmage on their own power or on their own. Basically, I mean, that's a good call.
Speaker 2:That is the clear-cut way to get rid of this without affecting. When you see the scrums, when a running back is met with a linebacker and he's still pushing and the linemen come up and kind of give him an extra push, but he's already passed the line of scrimmage. He's already passed the line of scrimmage. Yeah, that's a good answer. That's my point, I like that I like that.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you saved that one for the show. Another thought to add to that uh, damn it, we can come back to it, it's fine it wasn't really important, but I do like. I do like that answer. That's a good way to feel. Oh, that's what I was gonna say. Now the other argument is uh, what's stopping the other 31 teams from running the play over and over again? Well, you just said it jalen hurts isn't the same size as most other quarterbacks in the nfl, aside from the way they actually run it.
Speaker 2:He can get down and hide behind his line, whereas these taller quarterbacks can't, which we've established, but the ones that are about the same size as him and could attempt it. They don't have the same offensive line, so the reason you can do it, that's another thing.
Speaker 1:The Eagles have a notably better offensive line than a lot of teams in the NFL Exactly, but that's not to hinder them from being able to do this play.
Speaker 2:The point of contention and the point that gets me on this play every time is the fact that you are lunging your line at the defensive line and you are pushing your quarterback forward. So what's the difference in doing this? And then why not have me throw a DB up in the air when we do a field goal kick? That's illegal. You can't do that. You can't aid somebody up in the air to we do a field goal kick. That's illegal, you can't do that. You can't aid somebody up in the air to block a field goal. But I can aid somebody to be pushed across the line of scrimmage to get a first down or to get a touchdown. And this is the other reason I hate it. If you go, look right now, the leaders all time for rushing TDs for the Eagles Right now, jalen Hurts is number two. When do you see this guy really rush for a touchdown?
Speaker 1:He probably gets Partly ever beyond one yard.
Speaker 2:When they get to the one yard line, it's Jalen Hurts being shoved into the end zone. It's not handed off to the running back. It's Jalen Hurts getting to the tush push position. Boom, we pushed him in. Now he's climbing up stat charts for a play that, quite frankly, shouldn't be held in the same regard as a running back who has to fight for yards, a running back who may have ran 40 yards to get that touchdown, or a running back who had to fight through the line of scrimmage to get there and wasn't assisted by somebody pushing him over the line. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:And honestly, when you see running backs break the line of scrimmage, most of the time they are breaking it under their own power exactly. You don't see. And even on punt returns and stuff like that, when you see them, scrums of players pushing in the the pile, like that happens towards the end of the play but a lot of times past the line of scrimmage a couple times. If it happens before the line they blow the play dead. Right, because they don't. You know I forget the rule Anyway, but once it's past the line of scrimmage, you know that's where a lot of times it happens. But I'm trying to think of when they blow the play dead. I keep forgetting. It's not a good night for me tonight, but anyway, you know what I'm saying, but I like your answer to that, you know he must cross the line of scrimmage unassisted yeah, unassisted.
Speaker 2:crossing the line of scrimmage. Now you want to sit here and protect the quarterbacks and protect the offensive players all the time, but we're not talking about the defensive players Like simply saying that we're going to have these guys dive into the defensive line. You know, most of the time hitting them low or trying to get low enough to knock them off their point. I mean, you can't chop, block an offensive lineman.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So why can you chop, block a defensive lineman? That's essentially what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:If the defensive lineman doesn't get low enough, you're going at his legs.
Speaker 1:Well, chop blocks are illegal.
Speaker 2:But they don't call it on them.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they're lining up and because they're essentially getting in position to go at the offensive line. They're both getting really low, as long as they're getting low enough to get under them, which is their whole point. This is the whole reason. The play works. They get under the other team and they push forward, so they're literally pushing all of their weight into the few guys there on the defensive line. Yeah, it's, it's an ugly ugly play.
Speaker 1:I mean to me it's a cheap shot play Like I know they only do it in short yardage situations one to two yards, occasionally a three yarder, but or or for a quick touchdown. Occasionally a three yarder, but or or for a quick touchdown, but like I agree, like I hate game breaking. Quote unstoppable plays. I believe every play should be able to have an answer to it, even if you don't come up with it right and this play really doesn't have an answer to it the nfl hates predictable plays.
Speaker 2:This is the whole reason they moved the extra point back. This is the whole reason. They've been messing with the kickoff is because they're tired of plays that are predictable. Now have they been 100% successful with the tush push? No. Successful with the tush push? No, but it's only by fluky. You know bad, snap, bad. You know bad positioning with the, with the lineman that it doesn't work, like a guy slips and he doesn't make it forward. So it's honestly a play that needs to go. It needs to go.
Speaker 1:This is. I got a little humorous for you. Oh, I was talking with a friend of mine. I won't name him because I don't know if he's okay with it yet. A little humor yeah a little humor, a little humorous, a little humor, whatever, mike Anyway.
Speaker 2:Words are hard.
Speaker 1:This is on the Tush Puss. Yeah, they are. This is on the tush-push subject. Actually, my friend told me we were just messing around and I think he kind of makes a good point. I think there's three things that drive the change to anything, especially in the NFL, right?
Speaker 2:Money, injury and death.
Speaker 1:Yeah, money, injury and death. And since nobody has died or gotten significantly injured during a tush push play, the only answer left is for the owners to pay for it, to have it banned, and I'm not. I don't think that's really what's going to happen, but I just thought that that was a funny logic and, honestly, not terribly far, so wait.
Speaker 2:Does that mean we can start a GoFundMe to end the tush push play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're not NFL owners. That's the only thing we lack.
Speaker 2:No, we give the money to the NFL to say, hey, we'll give you this money if you get rid of the tush-push play.
Speaker 1:Listen, Mike, I don't want to disappoint you, but the NFL has so much money they wouldn't even take whatever little amount of money, even if it's a significant amount of money for us, Because they're a non-profit. They give money away. What?
Speaker 2:do you mean? They're not a non-profit, they are not for profit you see those owners. Those owners are freaking rich.
Speaker 1:Listen, Mike, I don't care. They are not for profit. That stadium belongs to both of us. Okay, we can go down there right now and get arrested by security.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:We're going to, we're gonna move on from this subject.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's enough about the tush push moving on moving on.
Speaker 1:Moving on from that, we got another hot debate for you coming up here, uh and it's funny, you actually hit on this one a second ago uh, the competition committee, nfl competition committee chairman and atlanta falcons ceo, rich mckay, uh, he told reporters that the committee is going to discuss getting teams possession at the 35 yard line rather than the 30 yard line on touchbacks, as well as kickoffs being launched from five yards further back than the 30 yards, so back to the 20, well, back to the 25 yard line from the 30 and basically, like you said, taking possession at the 35 yard. As they're they're tweaking here. Right, they're tweaking, they're. And I don't mean they're tweaking as in they're going crazy. I mean mean they're messing with things, they're turning the knobs, they're tweaking things.
Speaker 2:I thought you meant that they were on something, but it might have been a more interesting meeting otherwise, drugs and alcohol, probably, to be honest with you. But I'll give a little more credit With some decisions maybe.
Speaker 1:I'll give a little more credit and just say they're pushing buttons and turning knobs is what I mean.
Speaker 2:This comes back to what I was saying moments ago. They're trying to get rid of boring plays. They're trying to create action. You take away the kickoff as we knew it, which was lining up all next to the kicker and the other team set up in one way or the other for a return and having them run at each other. Instead of that, we have what we have now. It's kind of weird looking, but how many things were weird looking at first, but once we got used to it, it's like all right, whatever. It was kind of how I felt midway through the season. It's like it's weird, but all right, whatever. But we are getting more action. We had at one point I think it was the previous years we had something like 22% were returned. Well, this past season it was 32%. So whatever tweaks they're making is working because there's more action. That's what fans want. They want more action on the field. You get more action by having more plays that aren't predictable, plays that aren't just gimmies.
Speaker 2:Case in point the tush-push.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think this is also a little bit about game speed too, because if you move the ball back five yards and you give the other team another five yards, wherever they field the ball at whether it's a touchback or a catch they've already advanced the ball significantly further down the field. Um, so they're gonna start further down the field than where they would before, probably even farther if they actually return it.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean they're trying to engage returns and engage like actually seeing some progression on the field, and you're not getting that by a kicker, just kicking it out the back of the end zone.
Speaker 1:And then, as well as you know, right now all players on the kicking team are frozen until the receiving player receives the ball.
Speaker 2:Exactly so, moving the separation, that probably affects that as well right not having timing not having players run full speed into one another yeah or having a player running full speed into a prone player which results in injuries. So I mean trying to change these plays and trying to make things inventive or, you know, changing it up to make things better, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But within reason, I heard some ridiculousness where they were like these kicks are getting too too uh, automatic with these kickers, maybe we need to have adjustable field goals where the closer they get, the tighter it gets. I'm like what?
Speaker 1:no, screw that bro, we had more missed extra points this last two seasons than I think.
Speaker 2:Because they backed it up.
Speaker 1:In history. Well, yeah, they did back it up.
Speaker 2:They don't want it to be predictable.
Speaker 1:I agree. I don't think it should be predictable. It should be a challenge.
Speaker 2:It shouldn't be just a gimme and going back to your point gimme plays and boring plays. Going back to your point, gimme plays and boring plays. Well, as 49ers fans know, those after points were not gimmies if you were watching our kicker this year. Lord, lord, yeah, no, not for y'all, mooney, get out there and work on them. Damn kicks and being accurate.
Speaker 1:Jesus, try on some new shoes. Maybe get some glasses, I don't know, man.
Speaker 2:Do something different.
Speaker 1:All right, moving on here. We're still on the NFL, but this one's a little more fun because it's a little more speculative. We'll go right from the top. Mike Aaron Rodgers, the Jets they're parting ways.
Speaker 2:I heard reports.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I heard reports.
Speaker 2:Wait, we discussed this already About him being separated from the Jets. Yeah, we discussed that.
Speaker 1:Earlier in the show.
Speaker 2:No, not earlier in the show, but we discussed it in previous shows, where Rodgers and Jets are separating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I've been calling it all season actually, but I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. So I give the Jets a lot of credit for their patience. Surprisingly, because that is that. That is a franchise with no patience. Yeah, so so coach is gone so dealing with that, but I heard reports they could go to the rams. That reports that the rams aren't interested anymore. Uh, rogers is promising he's gonna bring devante adams with him whenever he hits free agency, whenever the hell that may be.
Speaker 1:Look man is Rodgers already biting off more shoes? He's just trying to stay relevant, Is he? Where do you? Do you even think he really honestly even lands? I mean, he can still play football. Okay, I'll see that. He's still got it a little bit. He's still got some veteran presence.
Speaker 2:He's still a very high-caliber quarterback too, Well okay, in the beginning of the year he didn't look so hot and that's because he was still recovering from his injury.
Speaker 1:The Achilles yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 1:Bless you.
Speaker 2:It was a cough. Anyway. So, as he was coming back, as he was getting more time and more reps under his belt, if you watched, like I said in previous episodes like the, the last nine weeks of the season, he was playing better, a lot better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now I mean he was balling out, toward the end the jets were putting it up yeah, he was starting to look more like aaron rogers of old, but not like maybe a 75% to 80% Rodgers, not the full Rodgers where he's just throwing these ridiculous passes with a flick of a wrist and it's going 50 yards downfield.
Speaker 1:It's all ended up like a night rest. He's Brett Favre Rodgers now.
Speaker 2:Rodgers still has a place. He still has a place. He's just not going to get top dollar like he used to.
Speaker 1:Probably with the Vikings. That's where Favre was.
Speaker 2:No, he's not going to the Vikings. Stop trying to will that because you want some Favre repeat. I don't want it, I just think it's going to happen.
Speaker 1:I just think it's likely. Well no, it's not likely. With the Vikings You're right. But back on subject.
Speaker 2:I think, in order to figure out where Rodgers is going, we have to find out what's happening with Stafford first, because I think whoever misses out on trying to get Stafford is what's going to happen with Rodgers. So if Stafford leaves the Rams, the Rams might be interested. If Stafford stays home with the Rams, he might wind up with the Giants, or he might wind up with the Titans, or he might wind up with the Raiders. There's a number of scenarios where we could see this play out where one domino falls, the other falls along with it, but it all depends on how it happens. Now, to me, I think, the best thing for Rodgers to do is to sit pat, don't move, don't do anything. See where Stafford's going, because then that gives you a better idea of where you're going to get your most value.
Speaker 1:I agree and you know, honestly, I slightly agree with you. I know we like to have good debates, but I think it's smart for him to sit back. I mean, the hot topic is Matt Stafford right now, and where is he going to go? I mean somebody interested? You're right, stafford is the affordable option. Rogers is going to be the expensive option.
Speaker 2:Maybe we don't say hot topic for Stafford, but maybe we say cold topic, based on recent scenarios that just played out. So apparently Matthew Stafford was hanging out with Tom Brady in a ski resort in Montana Talking shop. Now this sounds kind of familiar, if y'all don't remember. Before Matthew Stafford went to the Rams, he just happened to go to Cabo, just happened to go to the exact same resort at the exact same time as Sean McVay, and they ran into each other and talked shop, talked football.
Speaker 1:Gee, what are you doing here, familiar face.
Speaker 2:Yeah and lo and behold, shortly after that there was a Rams-Lions trade sending Stafford to the Rams. Never would have seen that in a million years but now we have Stafford palling around with Tom Brady at a ski resort in Montana, which is all kinds of weird. I don't want to think about Tom Brady. It's like a bad 80s movie. The two of them skiing downhill together.
Speaker 1:I don't want to think about Montana, to be honest with you, in the middle of wintertime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just cold, but anyway. So I honestly think that what they're doing right now and it's kind of been said that Brady is trying to be the guy to usher in deals and usher in new stuff as a minority owner.
Speaker 1:I thought you were just saying maniacal.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, it might have been a. Freudian slip if I did that. No, he's trying to help get this team to winning football and, to be honest, it's not totally crazy if Stafford goes there.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Think about it. Think about it for a second. They already have Jacoby Myers at wide receiver Pretty decent receiver but they have Bauer at tight end. He hands down was the best tight end with bad quarterbacks last year.
Speaker 1:Honestly Bauer was in the Rookie of the Year. Conversation with Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2:Yes, he was.
Speaker 1:That's a feat, he was almost uncoverable last year. And I have him in fantasy.
Speaker 2:Now you add in Matt Stafford and I guarantee you, wherever Stafford goes, they're going to bring Cooper Cup in. So now you get Stafford Cup, jacoby, myers and Bowers all on the same offense. They already have a great young left tackle with the Raiders.
Speaker 2:Their offensive line's pretty good. Well, not to mention you've got Max Crosby on the other side. You've got a pass rusher, yep, and their defense was giving fits to the Chiefs last year. Look, now you put Stafford in a scenario where you have Pete Carroll as your head coach and Chip Kelly as your offensive coordinator. That's pretty interesting, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:You know what I think is interesting. I think that's an interesting in my opinion. You know what I think is interesting. I think that's interesting scenario what stafford lands in pittsburgh?
Speaker 2:that ain't happening I know it might not happen because stafford wants money and they're not going to give it to him because pittsburgh doesn't pay anybody well, that's fine, but let's just go down this rabbit hole for a second.
Speaker 1:I mean, what does he have in pittsburgh that would honestly be any more attractive or as attractive as las vegas?
Speaker 2:I mean vegas, the city alone you know is attractive yeah, nobody's gonna say hey, do you want to go to pittsburgh or would you like to go to vegas? Nobody's gonna go. Yeah, send me to pittsburgh. Yeah, they're gonna be like vegas, let's go to Vegas. Nobody's going to go. Yeah, send me to Pittsburgh. They're going to be like Vegas, let's go to Vegas.
Speaker 1:And then, I know, you know, just saying, you know, the Browns, the Giants have, you know, been talked around.
Speaker 2:Well, the Giants, because his brother-in-law works there now.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I think the Giants are the drafted quarterback and I think Shadur is high on their list. Yeah, quarterback, and I think Shadur is high on their list. Yeah, they need to move up if they want them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think they might try to find a way. Um, the Browns, listen, there's not been a team in the NFL more laughable. We're not going to talk about them. Well, we could say you know their coach and and GM have said repeatedly they're not trading Miles Garrett. But you know how many times have we seen this? And then they give the player a new deal or they do finally trade him.
Speaker 1:And then they got Deshaun Watson, who they refused to cut. I'd refuse to cut him, too, if I gave him a guaranteed $200 million.
Speaker 2:Like no, you're going to be here, no you're going to be here bro. There's a clipboard. Go sit over there.
Speaker 1:I don't care if you play quarterback from a wheelchair. We're going to get some value from you.
Speaker 2:Here. Here's a coloring book. Go over there.
Speaker 1:I am honestly eager to see Deshaun Watson to get back on the field, because I do think he's a good player.
Speaker 2:I don't think he plays another down in the NFL.
Speaker 1:He probably won't right now, the way things are going. He just can't seem to you know whether it's bad luck or bad decision-making, bad judgment, you know. I just hope he gets it together. I never want to see anybody do bad or fizzle out in a bad way. Oh, of course not, and you know you have anything to add to our agenda tonight, mike.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I still want to talk about that stafford deal a little bit, because there is a lot going on with it there is, and he's the domino. He's the domino that needs to fall for rogers to figure out where he's going and you know, I've even heard some people float around him going to possibly the Colts, because they've got a pretty decent core of receivers.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they have a running back. Their offensive line has been pretty decent, so I've heard that scenario. But there again you have to pay Stafford because he's made it known he wants the money. Now here's a problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 2:Stafford looks around and he sees Dak making big bucks. He sees these other quarterbacks making big bucks and none of them are in the playoffs. You know, like Sunshine, Sunshine he's making big bucks and none of them were in the playoffs, you know like Sunshine, sunshine, he's making big bucks.
Speaker 2:He wasn't in the playoffs. Stafford's like look, we were maybe a play or two away from going to the championship game and playing against Washington. I want money. I've been one of the better quarterbacks in the league. I want money. Now he's been paid. So part of me is like, bro, you're in a good situation, you've got a young team. Why don't you let them give you a respectable contract but leaving plenty of room to get you help? You know, like this is that thing I've said before Don't try to be happier than happy. You know you're one in the moon and maybe this is just who Stafford is. Maybe Stafford is a me, me, me guy. He wants what's his and it's been shown time and time again in his career that he wants the money.
Speaker 1:I mean Rogers is the same way.
Speaker 2:Well, look at how he was with Alliance. He wanted all that money and then all he had was Chad Johnson or Megatron.
Speaker 1:Megatron Calvin Johnson.
Speaker 2:Calvin Johnson. That's right, I don't know what I said Anyway.
Speaker 1:Chad Johnson is Chad Ochocinco. Yeah, I know, calvin Johnson, that's right. I don't know why I said that. Anyway, chad Johnson is Chad Ochocinco.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, I know, I know I screwed up there, anyway.
Speaker 1:So and I like him too. I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So he had like next to nothing for years and he's like I'm just floundering here, I need to go somewhere, Send me somewhere else. And it's like, well, dude, it's because you're sucking up all the money, they can't pay anybody to come here. Well, not only that, I don't.
Speaker 1:I think Stafford's an okay quarterback. I honestly don't believe I think he's getting more credit than probably he deserves. Right, both Detroit and the Rams had offenses that a good quarterback could have elevated and he did elevate them a little bit, but I don't think he did enough, especially for the Rams.
Speaker 2:I think that he has caused a rift with the organization and I think the Rams are about ready for him to be gone.
Speaker 1:Well, there was a rift with him in Detroit too.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but here's the problem he left Detroit after he had done all this talking up and saying Detroit's great, detroit's the best. He leaves Detroit and then he just dog-cusses Detroit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you think he's going to do when he gets out of Los Angeles? He's going to dog-cuss about Los Angeles as well.
Speaker 1:He probably will, I think.
Speaker 2:Stafford. I think him and his wife are both the type of people that they're like hey, you're so awesome, I love you. I can't stand that motherfucker. The second your back is turned, it's all smiles in front of you and then, when your back is turned, they hate you and they're just a bunch of I don't know. Stafford to me just comes across as that guy that he's nice to your face, but the second you leave, he's talking.
Speaker 1:There's been too many instances, right? I mean, you remember when they won the Super Bowl, the girl fell off the stage. Broke her back and he didn't even. It was like he didn't even notice.
Speaker 2:He noticed, he looked over.
Speaker 1:Well, he looked over but, like the urgency wasn't there, there was no urgency.
Speaker 2:Any normal person if they knock somebody off a stage, they'd be like, oh my God, are they okay?
Speaker 1:Shit, I'd probably jump down the stage. I'd be like yo, yo get some people over here, hey get some help.
Speaker 2:But what does he do? He just looks down like eh.
Speaker 1:I think it's interesting to see where this plays out, especially with Rodgers being in tow.
Speaker 2:I think the Raiders thing is a strong possibility, but it's got to be the team that can pay them. The Raiders can pay them because they're not paying anybody, yeah, so I mean they might have to pay Max Crosby, but that's it. So they can afford to pay him.
Speaker 1:Rodgers is going to want to be paid too.
Speaker 2:Rodgers is not going to get top dollar because he's already diminished his value with the play he had with the Jets and the way things went with the Jets. That he's going to have to take whatever teams will give him honestly, I think he diminished it.
Speaker 1:Back in Green Bay they gave him the contract he asked for, shipped his number one receiver out, said okay, you're the guy.
Speaker 2:Not even a year later they were making plans to get rid of him well, the only reason they shipped out Devontae Adams is because Devontae Adams was like I don't know what the dude's gonna do. He keeps saying he's he's going to retire. He says he's going to stay. He says he's going to retire. I want to be with somewhere where there's some stability.
Speaker 1:Well, and they couldn't pay Devontae after they paid Aaron.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he wanted to team up with his former quarterback.
Speaker 1:Derek Carr from college.
Speaker 2:But we saw how that worked out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But to be honest, stafford, even if he does go somewhere, he does have a bit of an injury history. If you pay him, you got to own that yeah, you better hope you have a good backup because if he gets hurt, yeah, there's all your money. Sit on the bench no matter what.
Speaker 1:He's not deshaun watson, he's not.
Speaker 1:You don't want to not just not to take a shot at deshaun, but the Browns are kind of saddled for a while, so you can't do worse than what they've done financially. But here we go, wrap it up with our final thoughts. Thank you everybody for listening to us. I know it's been a long two weeks since our last show. Everything going on in the world right now. Please take a minute out of your busy schedule to find us on Facebook. Two for the win. It's the only thing we're on right now. We're working on getting our social media up to date and, of course, we are available on all streaming platforms, whatever you listen to us on. Thank you again for everybody for listening to us. Mike, you got something for us. One last thing yeah, just uh.
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