Two for the Win
Mike is a U.S. Navy Veteran and Bryan has more than a decade of civil service experience. Together, these blue collar guys dissect the latest sports headlines and events.
Two for the Win
Two For The Win - E28 - Champions & Challengers: The Drama and Glory of Sports
Sports fans, buckle up! The landscape of athletics is ablaze right now with simultaneous playoff action, surprising upsets, and draft drama that has everyone talking.
In this episode, we pay tribute to the incomparable Steve McMichael, Chicago Bear legend and wrestling icon who recently passed away. His remarkable journey from football star to WCW wrestler exemplifies the versatile athleticism that made him a fan favorite across multiple sports.
The Stanley Cup Playoffs have reached fever pitch with Western Conference series showing incredible parity – all matchups tied 2-2 before evolving to 3-2 standings. Meanwhile, the East has teams already advancing, with the Panthers dramatically eliminating the Lightning in a comeback victory that epitomizes playoff intensity. We analyze why playoff hockey delivers a completely different experience than regular season games and why it's the perfect introduction for new fans.
MLB's early season provides fascinating storylines as the Yankees dominate the AL East while the Dodgers hold baseball's best record in a tightly contested NL West. We highlight Blue Jays outfielder Dalton Varsho's incredible backward catch despite falling down – the kind of defensive spectacle that makes baseball special.
The NBA playoffs have delivered major upsets, including the sixth-seeded Timberwolves eliminating LeBron's Lakers in five games, raising questions about the future of one of basketball's all-time greats. We dissect heated series between the Warriors-Rockets, analyze post-game altercations, and debate which remaining teams have legitimate championship potential.
Finally, we provide comprehensive NFL Draft analysis, from Tennessee selecting Cam Ward first overall to the dramatic fall of Shadur Sanders to the fifth round. Our breakdown examines how pre-draft behavior impacts stock, team strategies, and which rookies might make immediate impacts.
Whether you're a die-hard hockey fan, basketball enthusiast, baseball follower, or football aficionado, this episode captures the electric atmosphere currently energizing the sports world. Listen now for expert analysis on the moments that matter most across all major leagues!
may 1st 2025. Welcome back everybody once again for another episode of two, for the win and some incredible sports talk. We enjoy having you with us. It's not summertime yet, but it's getting hot where we're at. And speaking of the heat mike, what's fresh off the press for us, what we got man playoffs are hot.
Speaker 2:We got nhl playoffs, we got nba playoffs I mean baseball season's up and running and we got an nfl draft to talk about. There's plenty going on in the sports world I'll tell you what man.
Speaker 1:We've been talking about some playoffs for a minute, regardless of sport, and now we're adding the nfl draft to it. Uh, just very exciting time for sports, you know, playoff time for a few few sports and, uh, let's get on into it here. So, starting the episode out tonight, um, you know, we always start by trying to remember some of our great sports figures who have come in across all sports. Here Tonight we're remembering Steve McMichael. Our thoughts and prayers once again go out to him and his family and his community and everybody affected by his passing.
Speaker 1:Steve is a pretty notable, actually, figure in sports history. Not only was he a member of the 85 Bears and, by the way, he was ahead of his time, despite his slightly shortened career. He had 95 sacks, 849 tackles in his professional football career, ended his career with the Green Bay Packers, but definitely is a Chicago Bear through and through in his blood. And when he left the NFL, joined WCW, was one of the original four horsemen. I mean, this guy was just decorated and just was living life to the fullest and just seemed to do what he loved to do what you got, mike.
Speaker 2:Well, last year he was inducted into the NFL Hall of Fame so he was able to be recognized. Before his passing For those who don't know, he was dealing with ALS, which is a degenerative disease, so he was not quite himself and a lot of his former Bears teammates looked after his family and looked after him. Especially Walter Payton, his son, was very crucial in, you know, bringing awareness to his passing and, you know, kind of keeping that connection with his family because their families were pretty pretty well, they were joined together, they were tightly niched. But, yeah, he was kind of overshadowed a little bit in the 85 Bears because there were so many good players, but he was definitely a crucial part to their win in 85. With that stellar defense they had, I mean, come on, nobody was really scoring on them in 85. No, no.
Speaker 2:But like you said, he had his second career being in the pro wrestling game. He had a match with Reggie White when he was a wrestler and he even coached a little. He did some arena football league for a little while and was so-so at that. I mean, did uh some arena football league for a little while and uh, you know, was so, so at that.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's arena football there's chicago slaughter from 2007 2013 actually five, five, six years in there.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but those leagues didn't last that long, so no, and the fact that he has such a long tenure says a lot about him, his character and his coaching ability as well. Uh, just an all-around stud of an athlete, and his, his football career was 15 seasons I know I said it was a little bit short, so 15 seasons back then as long, but it did get cut short uh. And then he went to the wcw and I mean, uh, once again, our thoughts and prayers go out to him, uh, his family and his community, and may he rest in peace uh and you, steve McNair, and we would have touched on it last week.
Speaker 2:It kind of hit right as we did our show. Yeah, so we were late finding out but we didn't want to pass up, not mentioning his passing Agreed. But moving on, we're going to hit into playoff hockey.
Speaker 1:Playoff hockey, the Stanley Cup. What's Stanley got for us? Mike, I love me some Stanley. They got their own version of Stanley Cup.
Speaker 2:I just thought about that. So what was kind of wild to me is all of the teams in the Western Conference, all the teams in the West, they all at one point were tied 2-2. Now obviously there's been some games played recently. We have Winnipeg above St Louis 3-2., Dallas is up 3-2 on Colorado and Golden Knights are up 3-2 on the Minnesota Wild and Edmonton is up 3-2 on the la kings. So it's been a very, very tight west match yeah, for all these teams.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very close here, man, not a lot of separation, but we like close games.
Speaker 2:Especially gives a lot of action in them well and and the part that's really amazing about this is like nobody in the west has moved on already. But in the east we've had a few teams that have managed to close out their series and move on. So far in the east we have we have the toronto maple leaves are up three to two on the ottawa senators. They're looking like they're going to close that one out and for the battle of florida between the panthers and lightning panthers ran away with it. They won four, four to two or four to one in that series.
Speaker 2:But I watched the last game and it was kind of nuts. Florida was down majority of the game and uh, it was like they were down two scores to nothing and they got a goal and they just looked like they didn't have it in them. They were fighting the whole game. They got down to like the last few minutes in the third period and they got two goals towards the end of the period, man, and then got an open net goal to put them up 4-2. And it was such a wild game because it totally looked like they weren't going to get it that game, but they just pulled it off.
Speaker 1:Way to pull it out.
Speaker 2:And then we have the Washington Capitals. They finally closed it out against the Montreal Canadiens moving on and, unfortunately for me, the Hurricanes beat out the New Jersey Devils. It was a 4-1 in that series. So the Carolina Hurricanes are going to be playing the Washington Capitals in the next series. So we already have teams moving on in the East. The series in the West still need to get figured out. I'm telling you, man, I watched a couple of these games over the weekend. The playoff hockey so much faster, Hits are so much more. Guys are amped and, like man, I love playoff hockey. I love it so much.
Speaker 1:Hockey in general is fun. Then we get to playoff hockey and just like playoff football, playoff basketball, the action's amped up, everything the energy's cranked up. It just seems like a whole different level of this sport.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's why I say, if you're going to get somebody to watch hockey for the first time, make them watch a playoff hockey game. You make them watch it, because that's where you're going to have people build fandom for that, so it's definitely worth it. That's right.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're interested in hockey, don't watch the regular season. Forget that mess. Wait until playoff time, then you'll be hooked.
Speaker 2:Moving right along. We're going to jump into baseball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, move a little bit on the quick side tonight, but we we got some stuff to talk about when it comes to baseball and basketball yeah, so, uh, giancarlo Stanton of the Yankees.
Speaker 2:He's heading to the 60-day DL, uh, with some tinnitus that he's dealing with in that since he's out. The Yankees actually claimed a player off the Braves. To supplement him off of waivers. They picked up the outfielder Brian De La Cruz off of waivers from the Atlanta Braves.
Speaker 2:He's got some pop to his bat. He's a pretty decent outfielder, so they're definitely getting upgraded as far as fielding is concerned outfielder. So they're, they're definitely can upgrade as far as fielding is concerned. Um, but if he can, if he can get his swing right, he can pop off a few home runs for them and maybe give him a little more offense than stan was give him what?
Speaker 1:oh yeah, I agree, maybe he can benefit of the yankees. This is not really the time for them to start slipping. They need to start strong and stay strong, uh, through the midway, through the three-quarter point of the season. Well, I mean, we're not three-quarters through, well, no, but I'm just saying, getting to that point, you need to start strong and stay strong.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a long season, so you've got plenty of time. You'd rather him get hurt now and have time for him to come back and do a rehab assignment and whatnot. But getting back into our rundown here, so if you guys have not seen this play and I know it seems like every week we have a play that we need to talk about I'm down with it Baseball.
Speaker 1:We love talking about plays.
Speaker 2:So I think it's going to become like a regular thing in our show. But I got to give the nod right now to Dalton Veraschow of the Blue Jays. I got to give the nod right now to Dalton Verischow of the Blue Jays, so he was going hard charging back in center field and he winds up falling down Like he's running, running slips, falls and still makes the catch backwards from his knees out there in center field. If you haven't seen the play, go look for it. It is so much fun to see this guy.
Speaker 2:Like even though he's down, literally down and out on the play, he still comes up with the ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny too that you mentioned that. I love how this article opens up that we have here pegged for it, by the way, our article uh, keegan matheson um wasn't a quote varsho classic, though instead of scaling the wall and or slamming into it, he tripped over his own feet while he raced back to the wall on the deep drives yeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2:Go check it out if you haven't seen it already, or or if you have seen it, just go watch it again. It's so funny. His own picture is like wait, oh, he got it. Oh, my God. That was a pretty amazing thing.
Speaker 1:These are the kind of plays that we love to highlight this is the kind of fun stuff and the best part about it.
Speaker 2:Even he is laughing like I can't believe. I just fell over my own feet, but I still made the play, so footwork, footwork everywhere.
Speaker 1:Uh, let's go down here now uh.
Speaker 1:So, moving into the next one, this is another uh, I won't say interesting, but this is something that hits near and dear to home, especially coming from a military town, military strong town, and if you don't know what I'm talking about, you'll understand here in a minute. Boston's Jaron Duran was held back at a confrontation with the Guardians, with a Guardians fan at their last meeting I think that was what last week who allegedly heckled him over his previous mental health struggles, and I think some of those are still ongoing. Um, this is. I just want to commend the guardians organization. I know he came out publicly and said something himself, but I want to commend the swiftness of the guardians organization for handling this and that fan, because not only only was this an opposing team in their house, but they stuck up for an opposing team's player and they banned that fan as well.
Speaker 1:So Jason Durant, if you're not aware of, he had been struggling with some mental health awareness, mental health issues here or there. Recently he tried to commit suicide a few years ago. You know, unsure totally what those circumstances were, although I'm sure it was sad, you know, and my thoughts and prayers go out to him. But you know, I don't care if it's sports or whatever it is, if you know somebody's dealing with mental health issues or even that aside, if you know people, how about let me start over. You don't know what people are dealing with no, no.
Speaker 2:And even even if somebody seems okay, it doesn't always mean they're okay yeah, the best thing you can do and and this goes for anybody in any walk of life best thing you can do just call somebody once in a while, reach out, just be like hey, man, how you doing.
Speaker 1:How's your day? What's been going on with your life? And sometimes that is easier said than done, but you know, we all.
Speaker 1:Text message only takes a couple seconds Exactly, but sometimes it's just not that simple and some of you can can relate to that.
Speaker 1:But, um, you know, we live in a time and I I speak about this, I think, almost every week now. Live in the present, live in the moment, be present in your mind and what you're doing, and think about the consequences and the effects of things that you're about to say and do, because a lot of people don't do that anymore, because now, not only this, is this fan banned from pretty much all mlb games, not just guardians games, um, but now he's got some mud on his name and now you know, oh, mr duran jaron, this may have just been re-kicked up for him. That might have been something to re-kick up all that stuff that he's been trying to deal with. So you never just know how that's going to affect him either. Um, but you know, feel free to let us know how you feel about this. We'll put this up on social media as well. Get some fan feedback on it, um, so so back, let let's move beyond that.
Speaker 2:I mean, we hit the topic, let's go ahead and let's hit what's going on as far as the standings with the MLB. So we're just going to do a quick little rundown. The AL East right now is being led by the New York Yankees with an 18-3 record. The Yanks, the Detroit Tigers, are leading the AL Central with a 19-12 record. The Seattle Mariners are leading the AL West with an 18-12 record and in the NL East we have the New York Mets leading with the best record in baseball, or actually I should say one of the best records, because I think when I run down a little bit further down the list you'll see why I say that. But they have a 21-11 record, leading the AL East with a three-game lead.
Speaker 1:Pretty comfortable lead, not just in their division, but almost overall. There's only one or two teams on their heels.
Speaker 2:Well, you'll see it here in a second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they keep on going.
Speaker 2:So in the NL Central the Cubs are leading that race with a 19-13 record and the Los Angeles Dodgers now hold the best record in baseball with a 21-10 record, just a half game ahead of the New York Mets for best record in baseball. They're not too comfortable yet because they've got the San Diego Padres right behind them with a 19-11 record, so only a game and a half back, and not so far back behind them is the Giants with a 19-12 record, two games back from them. So it's a very tightly contested NL West. And look, baseball's got a long season so they got a long.
Speaker 1:They got a long season, but the nl west is the tightest right now yeah, yeah, so they got two teams hot on the heels of the dodgers and the the los angeles dodgers, dodgers.
Speaker 2:Well, the bulges anyway, so anyway uh, you ever met somebody from boston who was an la dodgers, cool Dodgers, the Dolgers Anyway. So anyway, the Dolgers bro.
Speaker 1:You ever met somebody From Boston who was an LA Dodgers fan? Now, that would be A conundrum.
Speaker 2:I don't think that's ever happened.
Speaker 1:But I mean, if you can be A Virginia native and be a Dallas Cowboys fan, I believe in anything After that.
Speaker 2:No, I just think that it happens Because we don't really have a team here, and don't you dare say Washington, because that doesn't count. Shush your mouth, sir, anyway. So moving on, though, we're going to slide over to the NBA real quick.
Speaker 1:NBA.
Speaker 2:So we're not going to start with NBA playoffs. We're going to start with the fact that Kobe Bryant's very first NBA jersey just went to auction and sold for seven million dollars. It was his very first jersey ever won in the NBA. The full jerseys just sold and this might ask a very important question, because we're always asking this question how did Jordan hold up against Kobe? So to answer the question Kobe, to answer that question, michael Jordan's jersey had sold for 10.1 million dollars when his jersey sold and that was the game one, uh, 1998 finals jersey that was sold most recently as far as his very first jersey ever worn in the nba, couldn't tell you, but I could tell you his finals jersey, his game one finals jersey, sold for 10 mil. So that not too bad if you, if you have that kind of money, apparently you can get a good return in investment if you can get one of these jerseys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, some of these figures are unfathomable to folks like us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the average working people, Us commoners.
Speaker 1:Emphasis on the blue collar part.
Speaker 1:And then you know real quick, before we get too much deeper into NBA, this is kind of like NBA men's college basketball stuff.
Speaker 1:Uh, it's not huge news but I thought it was interesting because we see a slew of athletic fathers right now across all sports trying to get their next of kin, trying to get the next generation of them, uh, in their families, into these pro sports. Okay, you see it in football, you're seeing in basketball with brawny um shack is now jumping on the bandwagon. I'm not talking shit, uh, but shack is now sacramento state's new men's basketball gm and the kicker, he's doing it for free, so he's not even drawing a paycheck on this, and he's doing it voluntarily because his son, shakir, plays for sacramento state. So we're now seeing a trend of uh athletic we'll say we can say legendary athletic because it's football players, it's nba players, it's a little bit baseball players like sometimes high. You're now seeing a trend of them trying to get the next generation of their family in and I mean, I fully support it. It's family business after all. So congratulations to him and Sacramento State. I hope they find a lot of success with this move.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes. So speaking of NBA, let's move on into the nba playoffs. Nba so, as no surprise to anybody, the grizzlies have been knocked out by the, by the thunder. I'm in number one seed versus an eight seed. It's not. You don't really have to follow the league much to know that that was probably gonna happen. So we had that fallout. We also have the nuggets and clippers right now, with the nuggets leading the series three to two.
Speaker 1:Their next game is tonight at 10 o'clock it's tonight and let me tell you what like this right here has been an interesting matchup to me, because the nuggets just fired their head coach. Uh, I know there was a lot of drama behind the scenes with that, as we all may or may not be aware, but if we see the nuggets turn this around and move into the next level, the next game would be moving in.
Speaker 1:I don't have a lot of hope against anybody, against the Thunder. I'm thinking Thunder is going to walk this all the way to the finals.
Speaker 2:I will say this, though During the season the Nuggets did beat the Thunder. They gave the Thunder a really hard game earlier in the year and I, I don't know man, I have to go back and check that.
Speaker 1:But if they have at least a win in their regular season, that gives them some hope. But um, I'm sorry, the thunder is probably my number one favorite to win this tournament yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm with you for coming out of the west.
Speaker 2:I do think it's going to be the thunder, but you know, moving, moving, right along. We have some bigger news out of out of here, with the six seed timberwolves knocking out the three seed lakers, and it was almost a sweep. I mean they won the series series four to one. So I mean it. It of it opens the door for a number of questions, not just you know, are the Timberwolves for real? But it opens the door for questions about the Lakers and you know what their future looks like, what the future of their team looks like.
Speaker 1:And they had some problems up front with figuring out who's going to play center towards the end of the season in the finals as well. So I know that probably also had an effect on them. But you know LeBron is you know I think I saw the stat he's like two and 20 something in his last three playoff runs Not been totally effective here in the last couple years in playoffs, you know.
Speaker 2:Okay, so like nobody can really do it alone.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, what's happened with him the last few years is he's been with the Lakers and the Lakers have been trying to build a team around him and, yes, they did win a championship in the bubble. But you know, most people are like, oh, it's a bubble championship, it's not real.
Speaker 1:Championship is real to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the issue is you have an aging LeBron who doesn't have the quickest step anymore. And he's starting. He's still good. Don't get me wrong. Lebron can still turn it on from time to time. But the days of leaning on LeBron to be the guy that leads the team and is playing both ends of the court for basically the whole game those days are gone. He's not the guy that's going to be guarding the point guard anymore, because he just doesn't have the first-step quickness anymore. Come on, give the guy a break. He's 40.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean LeBron. I mean he's got championships everywhere he's been. I mean he has realistically been the X factor on every team he's been on. I mean from Miami to the Cavaliers and now over with the Lakers. I mean with the Lakers he seems to have regressed a tad, but that again he has been the guy everywhere he's been at, he's still one of the NBA's top players. And he's in the argument as the all-time great with Jordan. That argument goes back and forth all the time.
Speaker 2:It does, and I feel like a lot of times it falls on when you were born as to if you grew up watching Jordan. You've loved Jordan and Jordan's going to be your answer to that, and if you grew up watching LeBron.
Speaker 2:Lebron's going to be your answer, but I mean everybody's going to hold a certain player special to their heart. I mean there's people that still feel Kobe is the best of all time, and rightfully so. They all won championships, they all did great in their careers. I mean lebron's passing a lot of players for for records because he's had the longevity to do so, which you should, not your cap to that, because not everybody has had the ability to have the length of career that he has had yeah because their bodies break down and I mean nobody's really done things that he's done to take care of their bodies to down, and I mean nobody's really done things that he's done to take care of their bodies to this point in their career.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you should give him his praise for that, and I believe we're in a shift, we're in a new generation of basketball here. All your big names have dealt with injuries or have been ineffective this season or the last couple seasons, right, and then down here know rockets and the warriors. The rockets could force a game six uh, tomorrow night when they come on. I think it's unlikely, but I like the word.
Speaker 2:I like the fact that the warriors you're putting them in a spot where all they have to do is win one of the next two games, so that that really is not a great mix for for the rockets no although this game, these games have been chippy, yeah, I mean so chippy.
Speaker 2:I mean, is anybody surprised if draymond green gets a technical? No, not anymore like it's kind of common knowledge that technical fouls are coming out for draymond, but but I saw a play with him where he he had the ball knocked away from him. He's diving for it and, uh, he kind of trips over one of the Rockets players and then he kind of rolls over. But when he rolls over he kind of like kicks the guy in the back of the head and kind of bashes his face into the court. So it's like, ah, they're probably going to tee him up for that. And sure enough they did. They teed him up. So it's no surprise. But it's not just him. I mean the Warriors. They had a guy ejected just the other game Spencer was his last name and he basically headbutt one of the Rockets players.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, the Rockets player came over and shoved him. You know so for being aggressive, trying to get the ball off of a rebound from one of their players, but you know he was sticking up for his guy. And then, naturally, while Spencer's like trying to headbutt him, one of his guys comes over and shoves the Rockets player and it's like the whole series has just been very chippy like that.
Speaker 1:It has, and I'm still in the Rockets corner. They're my favorite, but I know the Warriors are actually favored to win this series. But it's been a good series so far A lot of action.
Speaker 2:It's the difference between having a playoff team that's young and having a playoff team that has playoff experience and not only that, the coaching experience. So you're having the last game. The Rockets walked away with it. They were well ahead. So instead of keep playing as starters, steve Kerr said no, my older players, come sit on the bench, keep them fresh. We're going to let the young guys play and we're going to see where the chips fall. I mean, we're probably not getting this game but we've got two games.
Speaker 2:I want my guys to be fresh for those last two games.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the Rockets. They've got an overall young squad anyway. So to be hanging with the Warriors in a playoff match, I mean.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, you don't become the two-seed in the West for nothing. They have played great ball all year and now they're in the playoffs. I mean, come on. A few years ago the Rockets were like not doing well, they were like one of the backseeds of the league.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they had some rough times, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so now they're having success with their young players and their hard work is showing.
Speaker 1:I'm about to go buy me a Rocket Snapback at this point. Get back on the bandwagon. Let's move on over to the East here. Cavaliers, knock off the Heat. I think we all probably saw that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was a sweep.
Speaker 1:The one that's my favorite, that I. I was really pulling for the bucks, but I know the pacers, as I said, have a history of turning it on in the playoffs yeah.
Speaker 2:so, man, okay, you're right, they do have a history of getting hot, but they do get balanced, usually in the next series, which they got the Cavaliers next. But what was really interesting, after their win in this series, they had an altercation on the court after the game, and it wasn't two players, it was a player from the Bucs and another player's father.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, this thing. Yeah yeah, you want to. No, you go ahead and take the lead ons and another player's father. Oh yeah this thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you want to.
Speaker 1:No, you go ahead and take the lead on it. Man, refresh me here. Okay, refresh us. Let's get the audience in with us here.
Speaker 2:So Andres Andacupo was on the court after the loss and the father of a Pacers player comes down and gets in his face and starts going at him saying this is what we do. This is what we do, you know, just like talking trash in his face. And, giannis, he comes from a different upbringing, so it's like you know you're respectful. In wins and losses, you be humble, you act like you've been there kind of mentality.
Speaker 1:That's how he was raised. You'd act like you've been there kind of mentality Professional.
Speaker 2:That's how he was raised. So he's all confused Like who are you, what are you doing? He's just thinking this is a crazy fan. And he finds out later that the guy is the father of a Pacers player. And why does his name escape me? The player he was just voted most overrated player oh see, here we go. I hate being horrible with names.
Speaker 1:I hate being put on the spot like this horrible, horrible names. Uh, most overrated player, rated player in the NBA 2025. You know? We could keep on rolling with this. We're going to try to figure it out. I don't know how this one escaped our notes. How did we not see this one come up?
Speaker 2:Anyway, but yeah, so anyway, the altercation happens.
Speaker 1:Tyrese, halliburton.
Speaker 2:That's it, thank you. Thank you, I'm so bad with names.
Speaker 1:Call me Johnny on the spot. That's it, thank you. Thank you. I'm so bad with names.
Speaker 2:Call me Johnny. On the spot, halliburton's dad decides that he's going to get in the face of the Bucs Greek freak and even afterwards he has an interview after the game and Honest Okupo is just like I don't understand this, like I don't do this. He said I won a championship and that's not to take anything away from from the pacers yeah, this is you know I'm I'm happy for them and and their win.
Speaker 2:You know I don't like losing, but it is what it is. But he basically is like you know why do we got to get in people's faces and yeah, and be be rude like this and I, and I kind of agree with them. I mean, like you know what happened to being being humble and wins and defeats. You know like being able to, because, like when I was growing up playing sports, like you lined up and you kind of shook hands after a game Good game, good game, good game.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even in.
Speaker 2:You didn't really have a lot of this hot dogging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, even in big matchups, Even in big matchups, even in big matchups, the first thing you do when it's over, you line up, shake the other hand's team. Then, I mean, the court might already be bum-rushed by fans, right, you know you do your best in those situations, but this was not one of those situations.
Speaker 2:But what's more amazing to me is like it's not Halliburton that's doing it, it's his dad. It's like hold up, dude, you didn't do anything.
Speaker 1:You sat up in the stands.
Speaker 2:You've been sitting back drinking beer.
Speaker 1:Maybe he was just hyped up for his son.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know, I get it, but like come on, man, Stop living through your son.
Speaker 1:It's his accomplishment, not yours chill out, you know, enjoy, enjoy the fact your son won, you know, go out and have a good time with him. Yeah, and I agree with that. Uh, I will always be on the humble. It's one thing to be excited and celebrate, but always be humble, always respect your competition, because you never know when they're gonna come back and kick your ass next season act like you've been there before yeah, yeah, celebrate, but be humble. There's a way to do it okay yeah, I mean you can.
Speaker 2:You can always throw a little shade later. You'd be like, hey, yeah play that was a good game last year.
Speaker 1:Right, that's good yeah, I like the playful shade. Yeah, um, and down here, actually right in front of us, we have the knicks and the pistons. This is interesting. Okay, the knicks lead three to two carl and good series.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very good, very strong. Carl Anthony Towns locking the win up last game with a 3-pointer. 40 seconds left on the game clock Hell of a 3-point shot by him. I don't know who. I even want to win this series, I'm just enjoying this one. To be honest with you, bro, the Knicks are a classic. They're a favorite to win this.
Speaker 2:The pistons are a classic nba franchise and one of my personal favorites, so I just like watching these teams go at it well, yes, and both teams have been having some down years and they're kind of back to being playoff teams, which is cool to see because, let's face it, the nba is a little more interesting when you know the Knicks are good. And same thing with the Pistons. I mean, for those who are too young to remember, you used to have the bad boy Pistons, where they were just mean and aggressive and they were a big cause. And Jordan having some rough years, the early portion of his career, where he'd go into the hole, and all of a sudden he's catching elbows and forearms and like they were beating him up as he was going in the paint.
Speaker 1:So let's play a little devil's advocate here with this last matchup. Right, knicks-pistons. The winner of this matchup goes to the Celtics. Who do you think has the better shot of beating them? The defending world champions here? Who do you think between the Knicks and the Pistons?
Speaker 2:has the better shot at that team. Well, the Celtics moved on after beating the Magic Almost a series sweep. But yes, getting back to your question, the Magic.
Speaker 1:The Magic was like thanks for participating. It's been a long time since Braun was on your team, we're not worried. Oh wait, that was Heat Sorry. It's been a long time since Bron was on your team, we're not worried.
Speaker 2:Oh wait, that was Heat Sorry you didn't even have LeBron, so fuck me, excuse my language. You might as well have just said Shaq, it's been a long time since you had Shaq.
Speaker 1:Shaq is what I'm thinking about. Getting my players mixed up. Anyway, back to the question. Between these two teams, who do you think?
Speaker 2:has? That's a good question, honestly. Uh, probably the knicks. Probably the knicks because they, they, they have, they have the, the starting five to kind of match up a little bit with the celtics better than I think the pistons do, although the pistons are a young team and probably could run with the celtics and that's not to say the celtics old because they're not. It seems like they're old because they've been good for so long with the group they have. The Celtics are so deep as a team I don't think that any of those teams have a real shot at beating them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think the Celteltics are probably I mean the cavaliers, if they meet them, might be formidable, but I really don't think that the celtics are going to be a formidable opponent until they hit kansas city or whoever in the finals. So hit who until they meet? I think the celtics are are likely to run to the finals again. I mean the Cavaliers, granted that they get by the Pacers, I think, have a really strong shot so you're.
Speaker 2:So you're saying Celt, the Celtics and Cavs will be the championship game for the east. And what Thunder and I would.
Speaker 1:I I'm thinking it's going to be definitely the Thunder on the West. You know, if the Warriors get past the Rockets, honestly I'm thinking Timberwolves.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking Thunder and Timberwolves.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking Thunder and Timberwolves, which I'm riding the Thunder bandwagon all the way to the finals. I'm thinking we're going to see a Thunder and Celtics, unless the Celtics fall too, obviously. Anyway, that's a pretty interesting take. I kind of agree with you, just because the Knicks have a little more experience on their team, but yeah, the Celtics and their rotation and their efficiency. The Knicks have slightly better efficiency than the Pistons as well through the regular season.
Speaker 2:But you couldn't even go down to like what about the coaching? Because both coaches for the Knicks and the Pistons have been great coaches and the fact that you know the coach of the Pistons he was with the Cavaliers had them playing well, then takes over the Pistons' job and gets them into playoffs and they're playing good ball. You can't really go. Oh well, let me choose the Knicks because they've got the better coaching. Both teams have great coaching.
Speaker 1:I like them both, but, like you, I'm taking the Knicks, and again, I'm taking that just simply because of player and playoff experience. I think they got a little bit more and efficiency a little more efficient than the Pistons are too. So that'll be an interesting matchup. Nba playoffs are shaking out pretty well, man. A lot of interesting. I really want to see this Cavaliers-Pacers matchup, but you, you know, let's go ahead and move on here, getting down the line here so, being that we mentioned this earlier and we all know that the Lakers are out, it does like we were saying.
Speaker 2:It brings up a lot of questions and, part of this, a lot of questions we have, and most everybody is probably thinking this what does LeBron do?
Speaker 1:yeah, let's talk about that for a second good catch, mike, let me ask you something. Okay, lebron's not had a strong showing last couple years in the postseason. They just got luca.
Speaker 2:They're looking for a new center well, I wouldn't say he's, he's not had a good showing. I mean, they have won a championship, so it's like you can't really say that he hasn't.
Speaker 1:The man is 2-28.
Speaker 2:Let's say, let's just say, for the last two years it hasn't been good.
Speaker 1:Fair. It's been three seasons. He hasn't done well over the last three seasons in the playoffs.
Speaker 2:Fine Rain on his parade Moving on.
Speaker 1:I am Well, I'm not trying to rain on his parade, moving on. So I am I. Well, I I'm not trying to rain on his parade, but I just want to put the facts out there, like, if you're lebron, you're thinking about things like this. You're thinking about, are you sure?
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, he might be thinking about Taco Tuesdays.
Speaker 1:Well, or maybe how he fell like a tree in that last game. Yeah, and the foul stood, it stood.
Speaker 2:Well, here's one thing I had a problem with. So keep in mind they just lost, the series is over, the season's over. They're going home and a reporter asks them you know what's next? Are you retiring? And LeBron says I don't have to answer that I don't have a problem with that answer. I really don't, because I don't understand why we sit here and expect that, after a huge loss, that an NBA player, an NFL player, a baseball player, how they're just going to you know right then and there, right after the game is over, be like yep, I think I'm going to hang it up Like most of these players like you, haven't even given them a day a week, a month to even think about what their future is.
Speaker 2:Maybe maybe he's thinking about if his future is even with the Lakers. We don't know. But sitting here, like expecting this guy to be like. You know, that's a great question. I really was thinking, and you know, when we were playing the team, right, just, you know what was it 20 minutes ago? I was just thinking, you know, maybe I should retire.
Speaker 1:Now let's play a little more devil's advocate. Say he's done with the Lakers, which I highly doubt, but let's just say for a second he's done with the Lakers. Does he retire? Does he go play for another team? He's already gone east, central to west. He's gone cross-country. He's got championships on all the teams he's been on okay, let me, let me.
Speaker 2:Let me flip this on you and say, let me just say, okay, if lebron was to be a free agent and go elsewhere and you have a team and lebron says he wants to come play for your team, would you say no?
Speaker 1:I don't think anybody says no to that exactly because, he has options. Even if he's not the player he was 15 years ago, he still brings a wealth of knowledge and experience to pass on and he can turn it on from time to time.
Speaker 2:The biggest problem and this is this is what drove him nuts was he's been looking for somebody to carry the load because he's been the guy for so many years. Like he literally drug the cavaliers to the playoffs early on in his career yeah, I, I remember that that was a huge thing.
Speaker 1:He let, he walked away from the heat, big controversy there, walked in the cavaliers building.
Speaker 2:They went and won a championship a couple of them actually, and he's even said as such that he probably could have approached his way of going about leaving a lot better than he did, although when he did make the announcement that interview, the proceeds from that interview did go to the Boys and Girls Club, so it wasn't like it was totally a bad thing. But at the same time he realizes, yeah, I probably could have done better by the fans by not doing it in that manner.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But it did raise money, so there was some good out of a bad situation. But you know being, if he does stay and remain with the Lakers and try to make another run, uh, there's been speculation that, uh, getting some center help or getting a another big man to join the the ranks would be a good idea, and there's been early rumors of Brooke Lopez being yeah a guy that is being eyed as being a good fit.
Speaker 2:Yes, brooke, brook Lopez is an older player as well, but he has playoff experience. He's an older player. Lebron loves playing with older veterans because they know what they're supposed to do. They know where they're supposed to be on the floor. He doesn't like playing with younger players.
Speaker 1:Well, not only that, but Brook Lopez has been effective for them here recently.
Speaker 2:For them or for the Bucs.
Speaker 1:Well, he's with the Bucs right now. Well, whoever they Well, maybe I wasn't thinking of Brook Lopez then, but yeah, I mean they go out and get Brook Lopez on the Lakers. He'll be a good center for them. They've had issue with that position and I think that's part of their problem. Through the playoffs, through the playoff collapses, they just need that guy up front man.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing the Bucs are going into a weird kind of transition right now because you lose Damian Lillard in the playoff series and probably to an injury that may spell the end of his career, possibly by tearing his left Achilles, which is not a good thing when you're an older NBA player.
Speaker 2:So him leaving the series in that manner and not knowing what you're going to have out of him coming off an Achilles and having a bunch of older players where really you're not really having much in the way of trading and they're kind of in a situation where they've got to think about contracts and the salary.
Speaker 2:You know where that sits with the team and you know maybe trading away Giannis just to get some assets back, because they really can't trade any of their key players because they're just not worth as much as trading away Giannis. So they might be looking to reset the clock and in doing so it's going to be a mass exodus. I mean, I hate to say it, bucs fans, but if you really want to get your team in a good position because they're hurting, they don't have draft picks. When they went to get Lillard, they gave up a lot and now they're going to have to figure out what to do Now, and now they're going to have to figure out what to do now that the thing they traded for in Lillard or the player they traded for in Lillard he might be looking at, maybe not having a career anymore.
Speaker 2:You don't know, I mean you don't know coming off a kill list here they need a little more offense.
Speaker 1:They had a pretty good defense. Their regular season. They had a rather good regular season.
Speaker 2:But you see here they did, but the problem is their team is a bit long in the tooth yep yannis does not is not a good shooter.
Speaker 2:He's. He's good at it. You know spacing and getting on the floor and making you know moves to the paint and getting a good layup. Or you know taking a short jumper, but he's not known for getting beyond the arc and hitting a three or doing some good fadeaway shots or any of that. It's just like he finds his spot and gets a little lay-in and it is what it is. Or he gets an alley-oop from another player, so he's going to need. If it was me and I on the Bucs, I would be trying to reset the clock on the team, because that's really where you're at at this point. It just you can't.
Speaker 1:You can't sit here and keep all these aging players and keep the only asset you have and try to build around because you got nothing to build with it, really it really is a balance right, and building a team in general really is a balance right. You need those older, experienced players, especially ones that can still turn it on, but you need young blood to carry the torch because, like you say, you get all old. You get all old If you get a lot of older or aging players, like you say, a little longer than a tooth, your endurance is down because they don't have the endurance that a young team has.
Speaker 1:But, a young team doesn't have the skill and experience that an experienced team has.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, just okay, let's look at it this way. Let's look at the teams that have been balanced so far. So right now Magic young team they could benefit from having a veteran come in and join the team and kind of solidify them a little more as a true contender, which you know. We'll see how that pans out if they can draw anybody in there. Bucks old team really don't have much assets. Don't really have anything in the way of draft assets.
Speaker 1:They need a stronger offense. I know the Bucks definitely need stronger offense.
Speaker 2:The Heat. They've traded away Jimmy Butler, who is one of their aging players, to get some assets in return, and they were in the playoffs but they got bounced quickly. But they have shown time and time again that they can kind of build and come back. So now that he's gone Jimmy being gone, that is they'll probably be able to attract some players to come play in Miami, because, I mean, let's face it, it's Miami and your NBA is normally through the winter, and it's not so bad being in Miami in the winter.
Speaker 1:No, not at all, I got to give it to them. I haven't heard anybody complaining about any part of Florida during the wintertime.
Speaker 2:Maybe during hurricane season.
Speaker 1:Well, that's in the summer, that's in the late summer.
Speaker 2:Tail end of summer, tail end of summer yeah, Okay, so the Grizzlies Grizzlies were knocked out. They're a young team. They're still trying to get pieces and figure themselves out and they've been doing okay in the draft. They just need to kind of get some veteran presence to help them out.
Speaker 1:The Grizzlies and the Heat, the only two teams to get swept so far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Grizzlies. It was just unfortunate because they had to be stuck against the number one.
Speaker 1:Two number eights versus two number ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's usually how it goes the top seed plays the lowest seed and they knock them out pretty swiftly yeah every once in a while you get upset. But and then the lakers? The lakers are an older team, they're aging out, but they do have luca as a you know player.
Speaker 1:They could build around and luca was a good, a good addition, kind of really just fell into their lap with the maavs wanting to trade him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the problems that he was traded for kind of came up in these games where you were seeing he kind of looked a little spent and out of shape and he kind of looked like he had no burst to really create his shot at times and he looked really inept on the defensive side of the ball. And you know, you hope that he can figure that out with LeBron. You know, maybe LeBron kind of goes yo just follow my lead.
Speaker 1:Do these training programs, do these workouts and we'll get you in the best shape ever and, and they have a little bit because Luka has set Lebron up on a couple nice shots.
Speaker 2:So well, but luca's done that. Luca's done some like you know, cross court, you know kind of throws before, yeah, even when he was with the mavericks and he does like having a big that he can do alley-oops to and kind of help with spacing on the floor by doing doing a lot of pick and roll and you know kind of draw a double team and then throw the ball down low to his big man and get an easy dunk. So when you don't have that, which they really haven't I mean they did get a player from, uh, from the mavericks to kind of fill that void, but he's been hurt and his very first game was just the other day when they got knocked out. So doesn't really help the team if you have a big man that doesn't play because he's injured with yeah, injury, and you need you guys.
Speaker 1:You need your guys to be there and be healthy, yeah yeah, and be effective as well. But you know what? The playoffs, in the grand scheme of things, just getting started, bro, round one, that was only round one, so we're going into the next round, conference semifinals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you know, as we're talking about Youngblood, that kind of reminds me we need to move into college football and talk about a little Youngblood trouble at Chapel Bill, youngblood's little trouble down at Chapel Bill.
Speaker 1:You want me to take this one or you want to take those.
Speaker 2:This is going to be a fun one.
Speaker 1:We're going to open it up because I know we get a little monolistic through the end of the NBA talk. So let's talk about some fun shit, and that includes Bill Belichick. Always fun to talk about a dull man.
Speaker 2:Look, I watched this interview. I was watching CBS Sunday Morning when I saw them do this interview and you know I'm sitting there watching it and I see him in his old, tattered, you know worn out navy sweatshirt and it's like, okay, I know what he's wearing it, but come on, man, if you're gonna do an interview with cbs, like look, could you just like hold it up or just, you know, have it draped over a chair next to you? Did you have to wear the first?
Speaker 1:of all, I know his girlfriend's name from memory jordan hudson, and that's not a good thing okay, okay, I was leading into that.
Speaker 2:But during this interview in case you guys didn't know or didn't hear it, which at this point I don't know where you've been if you haven't they're doing the interview and the reporter kind of says, you know? Leading into talking about their relationship, he says, well, how did you guys meet? And abruptly Jordan, who's just off camera, says we're not going to talk about that.
Speaker 1:Giving hope to all middle-aged men on Tinder everywhere. Thank you, Jordan.
Speaker 2:But it's kind of unusual because for a man like bill belichick, who is a control freak, right, he doesn't give control to people, he wants the control.
Speaker 1:When he was in new england, he was their gm maybe he's one of those weird like on the outside I control everything, but behind closed doors I get controlled. You know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:We're a little bit pg we'll keep it pg.
Speaker 1:But you know what I'm saying. This man's got the leathers and the chains on and he's the one getting with likes, likes the dominatrix, yeah he likes, he likes the doms, and that and jordan hudson could be like that she looks a little on the aggressive side.
Speaker 2:So there's actually betting sites that are taking bets on where they met, like they have they met on tinder only fans they met on. That is actually one of the ones you can make a bet on he he tipped her so much he paid her to come out with him there's even ones for like, making bets on, on like, not just, not just the tinder one, but, you know, escort service, or you know just random Christianminglecom.
Speaker 1:That's the one I'm going to mail.
Speaker 2:They even have lighthearted ones where it's like met at Starbucks.
Speaker 1:Look, this is interesting. Look, I'm not trying to talk shit, but I just think it's funny. It um, but I just think it's funny um. So, and you know, during first of all, by the way, um, they're not his employee, they're not happy about the situation with his young girlfriend at all no, they're not, and they they shouldn't be.
Speaker 2:I mean like belichick's sitting here doing, you know, instagram posts where he's dressed as a fisherman and his girlfriend is the mermaid where he's reeling her in, by the way. For most people, the age difference is really creepy. But then you're making Instagram posts For a guy who sat there and was like I'm not on that snap, face, twitter, twit stuff. I don't do social media.
Speaker 1:And now all of a sudden he's all over it First of all, twitter is now known as X, and if you call it Twit again, I'll rip your teeth out.
Speaker 2:That's what he calls it.
Speaker 1:I know because he's old and doesn't know these things. But the other thing is they did that interview with CBS, right, and she threw a temper tantrum during that interview. They were not happy. By the way, he showed up with just her, nobody from the college, nobody from the football team, just him, her and the CBS journalist.
Speaker 2:Don't forget his torn-up Navy sweater.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, his torn-up Navy sweater was also part of that shindig, which I don't know why. That's classic pillager. Did he have the sleeves torn off of this one too?
Speaker 2:no, no, surprisingly no, he had the sleeves on it.
Speaker 1:Oh he's a. He's a businessman.
Speaker 2:Now, okay, cool yeah, with the big sleeves so I mean honestly, I kind of.
Speaker 1:I mean the man is 73 years old and he's got a young girlfriend. I believe it's all about money and benefits, but you know Benefits okay. You know just like what's his name Al Davis' son.
Speaker 2:Hey, everybody needs somebody sometimes hey.
Speaker 1:Mark Davis, his girlfriend. First of all, I like Mark Davis. I'm not trying to talk shit, but that's an ugly motherfucker, okay.
Speaker 2:His girlfriend said, if he just got a better haircut, maybe that would help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would help a lot. But his girlfriend came out and, by the way, she's 22 years old as well. She came out and said she was just simply attracted to his good looks. If you've ever seen mark davis, you're gonna puke in your mouth a little bit.
Speaker 2:Okay, but no offense, don't you? Don't you throw that slander out there, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sorry. You're a very beautiful man, your mind's very beautiful, and so is the hair that grows out of your head. Beautiful, beautiful. But that's enough ragging on Trouble and chapel Bill. Things aren't always what they seem and I figure, just give it some time. The real news is going to come out and we seem to be getting it now.
Speaker 2:I mean, maybe this is a weird situation and Bill's being held captive.
Speaker 1:You know Honestly, all these older gentlemen dating younger women give me hope for my elder life because I can go through two divorces, a couple bad ex-girlfriends, then make my money and still have a shot. All right, all right, okay, I'm going to follow your lead, guys. I appreciate you guys put one foot in front of the other and kept on going.
Speaker 2:There's one thing in common, and that's they all have money. Got to have the money, man, Look all have money, gotta have the money, man.
Speaker 1:Look, I have money. It's just not green paper or american or real in this case. Or or real or real yeah yeah, monopoly money doesn't work listen, I pay in other ways. Okay, sir, usually through good deeds. I'll take your trash out, I'll wash your car.
Speaker 2:You know brian's like how you like me washing the dishes.
Speaker 1:Look, I know he has 500 million dollars in the bank, but can he polish your rims? Okay? No, I can do that.
Speaker 2:Sunday morning bet but they want you to buy the car that you're polishing the rims on.
Speaker 1:I'm just the guy, right? I'm just the help. I'm just the guy polishing the wheels on the car you just bought. I'm just the guy.
Speaker 2:Anyway.
Speaker 1:That's enough fun, we're going to sliding away from the college ranks.
Speaker 2:We're going to sliding away from the college ranks.
Speaker 1:We're going to move on Sliding like we're sliding into home plate too, oh geez.
Speaker 2:We're just going to move on to the NFL now and we're going to talk about a situation that kind of it's kind of NFL related Well no, it's NFL related. It kind of came out. So, for those of you who may have been wondering the same thing, that a lot of us who play fantasy football who may have used this player in their fantasy leagues.
Speaker 1:Fantasy talk.
Speaker 2:Hunter Renfro. Hunter Renfro, who was a slot receiver for the Raiders.
Speaker 1:Hunter Redglow.
Speaker 2:Who was great in PPR leagues, or at least had moments in PPR leagues. Nobody really knew what happened to him. He just kind of disappeared for a little bit. He was still on the Raiders, but he wasn't playing. Well, we have an answer, and what it is is Hunter. This past year he took off because he was dealing with an illness. He was dealing with Kind of like what.
Speaker 1:No, go ahead.
Speaker 2:He was dealing with altercerative colitis.
Speaker 1:Ulcerative colitis Ulcerative colitis.
Speaker 2:Sorry, words are hard, anyway, they are hard. I'll give you that one During this time he went from 185 pounds down to 150 pounds.
Speaker 1:Sounds like a diet to me.
Speaker 2:This is not a diet you want, because this is a bad intestinal illness and he's only 29.
Speaker 1:So you know, like you would think he'd still be out there playing. I mean, that's what you, can't you?
Speaker 2:can't be playing if you're dealing with intestinal issues that are really making you drop a ton of weight.
Speaker 1:I'll lay out the pizza and beer bro.
Speaker 2:Or no, not in his case. You might want him to eat the pizza and beer so he can get that weight back.
Speaker 1:Look it's clear. I don't know what I'm talking about. So, just listen to Mike.
Speaker 2:So the point of the matter is he's found a new home, he has signed with the Panthers, he's going to give it a go this next season. He's had treatment and he's been working with doctors and he just hasn't felt good for the last two years. So he's finally getting back to a point where he can play football again. So it's good to see, when somebody has a passion for the game and health kind of takes them away, that they can kind of make their way back. So just bringing a little light to a positive situation and hopefully, at least in my case, I hope he does well with the Panthers so he will be able to extend his career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and adding to that, I know I joke a lot, but good job, hunter, hunter Renfro, on fighting through that and coming back to still chase your dream, because whether it's a medical condition or something personal you're going through. It is hard to fight through and stay the course. So I really commend you for staying the course and still going out there and trying to get what you want to get bro out of life. So you know we are with you, my friend.
Speaker 2:So we're going to run through a couple of signings and things that have happened here recently. So the Bills added Elijah Moore, the veteran receiver, to their receiver room. And this is kind of interesting because at one point there was an interview after the draft where and we will get to the draft the Bills GM was catching a lot of flack from a radio crew that does Bills radio and talks about Bills' situation and the guys that do the radio show were giving him shit about not drafting a receiver in the draft and he kind of clapped back and said well, wait a second. We had eight games last year of 30 points or more. We basically led the NFL in points scored last year. And you're saying I need to draft a receiver when our defense was giving up. You know a ton of points and they focused on defense.
Speaker 2:so yeah like I don't blame him and look, it's not like he didn't do anything. They did add Josh Palmer and free agency, who is a who is a uh reception receiver who's going to probably give him some good good you know receiver who's going to probably give him some good wide receiver play this next year.
Speaker 1:He'll get you some yards.
Speaker 2:Adding in more gives him another veteran presence and, who knows, they could still add another receiver, because there's still plenty of people out there in free agency.
Speaker 1:They're pretty deep. Cooper's still with them, right.
Speaker 2:No, but he's out there in free agency and they could bring him back. He already knows the offense.
Speaker 1:Okay. So yeah, I know that sets up Khalil Shakir for breakout year, which he had a breakout year kind of last year, but that sets it up for a bigger role this year and bringing in Elijah Moore, they could put him in Khalil Shakir's role. Question is does Khalil Shakir have the speed to do what Amari Cooper did in that offense?
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:I think he's more of a slot player myself, but he's kind of tall too, so he's about 6'1". Shakir's about 6'1". He's not tall like a receiver but he could be a good deep threat on the edge.
Speaker 2:But I think he does well on the slot. You don't have to be tall to be a deep threat.
Speaker 1:No, you don't have to be a deep threat. No, you don't. You just gotta be fast and maybe be able to catch. But well, I think shakir does well on the slot. He puts up a lot of points for them and a lot of yards for them, but uh, it's eager to see what they're gonna do. Uh, moving forward on that, I think they're.
Speaker 2:I think they're good, I think they'll be okay I think they'll be okay too.
Speaker 1:The, the bills make pretty calculated decisions. Yeah, I don't I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't have any problems with what they did and what they're doing currently but one big extension that just happened recently is george kittle signed a four-year 76.4 million dollar contract extension, making him the highest paid uh annual salary for a tight end, which is is good news for niners fans and good news for george George Kittle, because he's getting paid yeah and after he's done he's going to WWE 20 bucks. Well, we'll see about that. He may, and we'll see what happens with his running mate, brock Purdy, whenever that extension gets done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're working on him right now, I believe.
Speaker 2:Yes, they are still working on that deal, but they also made another deal. San Francisco 49ers signed offensive tackle and former first-round pick, longtime NFC West player, dj Humphries, to a free agent contract. He was with the Kansas City Chiefs last year. He only came in for a few games towards the end of the year because he was dealing with some injuries that he was recovering from.
Speaker 1:He was trying to work his way back.
Speaker 2:He was trying to work his way back and he did come in and he did play pretty decent when he was in. I think that he's coming in and he's going to be moved to right tackle and you're going to have him on one end and then you're going to have the main stay on the other. You know what I'm talking about Used. You know who I'm talking about? Used to be your player.
Speaker 1:Trent Williams. He's old now but still effective. Still the best in the game, bro.
Speaker 2:I had to get you to say his name Kinky. Anyway. So that's it for a few signings that we have other than.
Speaker 1:All right, and you know what better. You know Washington royalty, you know late Sean Taylor. You know number 21, one of the most beloved and hardest hitting, and I'm going to say it Redskins ever to take the field. His younger kid brother signs undrafted free agent with the Commanders, by the way. So what a turn of events. Sean Taylor's younger brother I don't have this was a last minute ad, I don't have all the information from me but Sean Taylor's younger kid brother signs undrafted free agent deal in Washington. Guys, let me tell you what. Keep an eye on this kid, okay, because anybody that's a relative. You just say Sean Taylor, this dude's going to be lighting some people up, and the fact they got him on an undrafted free agent deal, I think, says a lot too.
Speaker 2:Well, and here's the thing, when the draft's over these undrafted free agents that do sign, you might not know their names at the time, but these players do turn into something. I mean we've had plenty of successful players who were undrafted have good NFL careers.
Speaker 1:One major name and I'm going to tie him to the Rams for this one. Oh, good God, here we go. London Fletcher.
Speaker 2:Every time he was a great rams player, okay I just want to say that right now as a commander's fan other other notable names, like like adam theelin or tony romo.
Speaker 2:You know players that were on hey, you can say what you want, he's rich true, and yeah other things anyway, so point of the matter is point of the matter is there's been plenty of players who've been free agent signings that were not drafted, who turned into decent players and had good nfl careers. So there's there's a chance he had. Look, all you need is a chance and if you're you're signed to a team, you's a chance. Look, all you need is a chance and if you're signed to a team, you have a chance.
Speaker 1:Until he looks like Jack Black at a basketball game, he's not rich enough.
Speaker 2:And speaking of draft, let's talk about the draft, the NFL draft.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, I think this draft Excuse me, let me lower a little bit. I think this draft Excuse me, let me lower a little bit. I think this draft, mike, did this draft have more or less drama than previous drafts? I feel like most of the drama revolved around Shadur, who we'll get to in a minute. I won't jump the schedule here. They jumped the agenda, but this draft it was very offensive line and defensive line, heavy and secondary positions, linebackers, receivers, cornerbacks, uh, and not too many on the receiver side are you just gonna name all the positions?
Speaker 1:no, but it was very o-line and d-line heavy to start out. We didn't see terribly much of the others come off into the later rounds.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Two QBs taken in round one.
Speaker 2:So I think for this draft it probably left a lot to be desired for a lot of folks because really wasn't like it didn't have the punch you know it didn't have like the andrew luck draft or the peyton manning draft or you know those drafts where it's okay, we have three, four quarterbacks that we all want to figure out where they're going. This was really. There was only a handful of quarterbacks that were gonna be drafted that we all want to figure out where they're going. This was really. There was only a handful of quarterbacks that were going to be drafted that we really knew. And then a bunch of guys we were like, okay, they'll get a draft eventually, they'll be drafted eventually by somebody, but it's probably not going to be until fourth, fifth, sixth round, seventh round.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I agree I got two things to say here. This draft was it was good, it was not good. Right, there were good skill players, but the teams didn't necessarily prioritize those skills this year for what they needed. But the other thing I had to say is for it, I feel like, because they were looking to amp it up a little bit, I feel like the stuff with Shad amp it up a little bit, I feel like the stuff with shadur sanders really dominated a lot of the storylines well, I think what you're, what the best way to say it is, there was no definites.
Speaker 2:like a lot of times when it comes to the draft, you you don't want to necessarily reach for a guy, you don't want the he could be something. Or he has the intangibles to be, and that's what this draft was. For the most part, there was nobody that you go hands down. Hall of Famer, draft him. If you don't draft this O-line dude, you're going to be screwed.
Speaker 1:So there's only one player I want to. Well, there's multiple players I want to talk about. But on this subject, right, you said there's only one player I want to.
Speaker 2:Well, there's multiple players I want to talk about. But on this subject, right, you said there's no guarantees, okay, Well, okay, outside of Travis Hunter and outside of Abdul Carter.
Speaker 1:Well, hold on those names, we'll get to. I'm going to ask you a question real quick. Cam Ward okay, the Titans just took Will Livis. What two, three, three years ago? Now they're drafting cam ward, number one overall. Is he a hit or is he a miss? He's number one overall.
Speaker 2:He was the only quarterback you don't draft a quarterback number one overall, because you think the guy you still have is a is a hit, he's a miss. He's not what they thought he was going to be. He made too many mistakes, getting the jitters you know and throwing picks and stuff and throwing at things that weren't there. He's got a cannon for an arm, but the guy just he's not a good NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1:I agree. Yeah, I agree with your assessment. Now, the Titans must have known, or maybe they didn't they could have gotten a quarterback in the second round or later, but obviously their priorities were with quarterback. Do they really believe now this was a weak quarterback draft class? So I'm not saying Cam Ward's a bad quarterback. I'm trying to get to the point of do we?
Speaker 2:think he fits the mold of a true number one pick. Okay, so this comes back to the old adage do you draft for need or do you draft for best available? Now, for me personally, what I would have done and I think I've said this on the show I would have drafted Abdul Carter or Travis Hunter and said the hell with getting a quarterback this year, we're getting one next year. That's what I would have done personally because, let's face it, the Titans are not going to be good this year.
Speaker 1:They're not.
Speaker 2:At best they may pull off maybe four or five wins maybe, and that's stretch.
Speaker 1:I think that's a little underwhelming If Cam Ward is really as good as they think he is.
Speaker 2:They did sign a receiver, a veteran receiver in Tyler Lockett to their receiver room, which is something I forgot to mention.
Speaker 1:Lockett will be a good addition.
Speaker 2:But he's a good veteran presence. Now, granted, if they would have drafted Travis Hunter, now you have that veteran receiver to kind of coach up the young guy and kind of help him become an even better player Not saying that's his job, but having that veteran guy in there to kind of show the young guy the ropes and kind of help him get acclimated. And I don't think Travis Hunter would be too big to be like there to kind of show the young guy the ropes and kind of help him get acclimated. And you know, and I don't think travis hunter would be too big to be like, no, I don't need to listen, this guy, he, he'd probably be like, oh yeah, this guy's been in the league for years and he's played so many big games.
Speaker 1:Let's hear what he has to say yeah, and, and if you ask me honestly, I put travis hunter as the best pick this draft Especially. You know there were a lot of good linemen, both offensive and defense, come off the board and availability, but, but to me Travis Hunter if you're looking at skill positions was the best because he's two-way and he has the accolades to go with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but as far as the two-way thing is, he can't be in two different meeting rooms at the same time. So I think what you have to do is you have to set up a handful of plays for one side or the other, or certain situations where you can bring him in or the other, or certain situations where you can bring him in Now.
Speaker 2:That's not to say that you're not going to get the value out of him and that he won't do it. It's just he's going to have to work hard to make that happen, and for him I really like his landing spot. And speaking of landing spot, we need to.
Speaker 1:By the way, great, great landing spot.
Speaker 2:What happened is the and most of you know by now the Browns, who were at number two, traded back with the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Jacksonville Jaguars, and this was hinted all before the draft. There was rumors out there that Jacksonville wanted to do some big, splashy move and apparently for the last two weeks they've been working this out with the Browns. They finally figured it out and they said all right, we're moving up, here's our offer. Browns said we're taking it, we're moving up. And I feel like both teams won in this situation Because, I mean to be honest, jacksonville doesn't need a quarterback. They have their quarterback.
Speaker 1:Now granted, it's Sunshine.
Speaker 2:He hasn't been the best, that's not really been his fault, it's his. Well, it kind of has been, but it's his guy, it's their guy. And now that they have Travis Hunter, they've added a specialty piece. And I know a lot of people have said well, wait a second, if he's playing both sides of the ball, you're kind of weakening your team because you're having a guy who if he gets hurt he takes off two positions. No, correct yourself. Just because he's one guy that can play two positions doesn't mean you're hurting two positions Look.
Speaker 2:You're sitting at a spot where he adds depth to two positions.
Speaker 1:This year is a breakout year for God damn it. I'm sorry. All right For Travis.
Speaker 2:Trevor Lawrence, that's who I'm sorry For, travis.
Speaker 1:Trevor Lawrence. That's who I'm thinking of. This year is a breakout year for Trevor Lawrence, because if it's not, I don't think he's with the Jags next season in 26. But I think I believe in him, though, because I think that he has it Well.
Speaker 2:Furthermore, if you look at what the Browns did for the first time, I feel like the Browns have been doing something incredibly smart by making this move. They not only got a first round pick in this year by moving back in the draft, but they got a first round pick for next year from Jacksonville. So now they're going to have two first round picks that if they want to move up to get a quarterback, they got all the ammunition to do it. So that was very smart by them I?
Speaker 1:I think so too. And let's talk about the browns. For a second right, we'll get into chador, sir, soon enough. Don't worry y'all, we're gonna go down the chador road fair, fair enough here. But I want to talk about the browns. They almost had tra Hunter and Shadur together in their hands. It was almost a possibility if they don't trade out a number two.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I Okay.
Speaker 1:I honestly don't think they were even going to take him until they hit the fifth round and he was just still sitting there.
Speaker 2:Okay, so here's how this sets up. So when it comes to the draft, you need to not only look at the player that you're thinking about picking, but you need to look at the value of the pick. So any first-round pick has a five-year tag attached to it, where you get that fifth-year option. So there's a lot of value in that player being a part of your team if you can get Roughly $44 million contract if you're in the top three.
Speaker 2:Right, so there's a lot of value put into that. Are you going to put that into a quarterback that you might not have high on your board? No, you're not Now. Granted, he did a lot of things in the interview process that really pissed off a lot of teams. Some teams even removed him straight off their draft board, like we don't care if we have the very last pick in the seventh round, we're not picking him, period.
Speaker 2:And that's the owners coming and saying do not pick that guy yeah, and not only that, he had already pissed off the Browns prior to that, where his dad came out a while ago and said we're going to pull an Eli. If the Browns try to draft us, we will go somewhere else. We will try to get traded.
Speaker 2:And hey, you can't piss off all the teams that are quarterback hungry. If you piss off all the teams that are quarterback hungry, if you piss off all the teams of quarterback hungry, the rest of the teams aren't going to draft you. Because, okay, think about it, jacksonville, they got their quarterback yeah the titans. They got theirs because they had the first pick and seattle got a quarterback too bangles have.
Speaker 2:Seattle took jaylen milrow out of alabama well, we were going to get there, yeah, but but Kansas City, they don't need a quarterback. Dallas, they pretty much got their quarterback.
Speaker 1:Hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's rewind on Dallas here.
Speaker 2:Listen, you have your feelings on it, but look, they paid the man. They've got to keep the man. Nobody's going to take him off their hands their hands they're stuck. The jay had their paid rogers for two years in a row. Look where that got them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't matter, but look the point of the matter is I like majority majority of the teams in the nfl have their quarterback that they are going to move forward with. The only team beyond the giants and the browns was the steelers, and the Steelers are flirting with Rodgers, so they're not going to probably be in the market and they already said we'll roll with Mason.
Speaker 1:We don't care. Speaking of the Steelers, and I don't think they're too mad about Mason, mason's kind of a.
Speaker 2:No, Mason's been in their organization for a while. He took a little hiatus and went to the Titans, and now he's back.
Speaker 1:I think they like them more than they say they do. But the thing with the steelers I mean rooney actually came out and said, look, I don't think rogers really wants to come here and honestly I know we weren't gonna talk about rogers and I agree with him. Like, if you're aaron rogers, I think aaron rogers is playing coy. Okay, you could realistically probably walk into any tape, any team you wanted to right now, I mean within reason. But the other thing is you bring a lot of drama with the Pat McAfee show. The other thing is I think Rodgers is looking for desperation. He's looking for somebody who's going to be so desperate that they're going to pay him and I don't think he's going to find that.
Speaker 2:I don't think he's looking for pay. I think he's looking for the right situation. Well, that too, and that whole Vikings flirting situation was kind of him looking for that right situation, and even though the Steelers have brought in damn old boy from the Seahawks.
Speaker 1:DK Metcalf.
Speaker 2:Yes, dk Metcalf. Even though they brought him in and they're giving him that number one, receiver Rodgers has already rubbed a lot of people in the NFL the wrong way as far as his personality, and people don't want their locker room infested with bad mentalities or bad personalities that bring the locker room down.
Speaker 1:They don't want a me me me guy, they want a team guy and and I think that plays into sure shadurah sanders situation a little bit too but with rogers I think the jet situation was an eye-opener. He was like, okay, I'm so good I can go and turn a bad team into a good team. Didn, didn't do that. Now he's getting overpaid and now he's on the back end of his career. So I don't know if you really are in a position to be picky about where you play at. Yeah, sure, you might have some skill and some knowledge and some experience, but if nobody wants you, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:Well, it comes back to the same argument we made with the Shador situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's not that many teams that are needy for a quarterback.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And if you sit there and approach it from a standpoint of you're being kind of difficult, people aren't going to put up with that. They're going to be like, okay, that's fine, we're going to put our fifth-round pick in.
Speaker 1:And let me go ahead and hit shadur real quick, not not hit him, but let's go ahead and talk about like okay, I am not trying to say that shadur sanders is not a talented football player. Okay, I think he's very talented. The problem I see from what I saw and what I read okay, excuse me, number one, he should have hired an agent, not let his dad run it. Because, number one, I know there are players out there who can do their own agent work, or they hire their parents as their agent, or something like that, like Richard Sherman.
Speaker 1:Richard Sherman and Lamar Jackson, two off the top of our head.
Speaker 2:Well, no, Richard Sherman negotiated his contracts. Lamar has his mom negotiating, yeah.
Speaker 1:Lamar had his mom and that worked out for those players very well and they knew very well what they brought and what they you know, they had some level of knowledge, right? Shadur is not even in the NFL. They had some level of knowledge, right? Shadur is not even in the NFL. I'm not trying to talk shit about him, but I think he is riding his dad's coattails Because Shiloh, after the draft, fired Dion, his dad.
Speaker 2:Well, it's not that he fired him, he just went ahead and hired an agent. Well, he went ahead and hired an agent and I think he saw like Well, he saw the value instantly because as soon as he signed, he was signed to the Bucs.
Speaker 1:Because agents can make things happen and negotiate things right.
Speaker 2:That's because they have relationships with these teams and they know the teams that need stuff because they go hey what are you looking for after the draft? And then they start to make phone calls on your behalf and they come back to you and say, look, you have X teams that want you. And then they go down a list and they work out their situations where they say you have opportunities here, your best situation is here, because they're weak in this position, and they help you get signed.
Speaker 1:And let's look at Deion's history. Okay, all the way back to when he was an NFL draft prospect. Okay, he didn't do anything himself. He showed up in what a Lamborghini ran the 40, left, that was it. And that was enough back then for him to get drafted. And he did do good with the Cowboys. He had a hell of a career, okay.
Speaker 2:Well, he wasn't drafted by the Cowboys, he was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1:That's right, he was drafted by the Falcons, ended up with the Cowboys. Still had a good career. He bounced around a few teams.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you're right, drafted by the Falcons he was drafted by the Falcons, went to the 49ers, won a Super Bowl with the Niners boys stuck around there for a little while then went went over to redskins.
Speaker 1:Well, I think he made a stop in in baltimore, may have been.
Speaker 2:I know, I don't know, I know, I know, I know he did play for washington, but he it was like a year he did have a, a tenure with, with, uh, the ravens as well. Yeah, I just don't remember off the top of my head which he did first, but I know he was on the tail end of his career dealing with his uh, turf toe stuff that was like really screwing up his yeah and and he was, he was fast.
Speaker 1:He ran the fastest 40 time, probably one of the fastest 40 times in nfl history for his pro day, uh, for the combine. But you know, I feel like I don't know how he was coaching his sons through this draft process, because part of me has to feel like he's't know how he was coaching his sons through this draft process, because part of me has to feel like he's one of the best people to know how to prepare for this. But it's clearly evident, especially when it comes to Shadur, he was not prepared very well at all.
Speaker 2:Well, and let's keep in mind too, when a player gets drafted later in the draft, when you start getting to the point of the fourth round and beyond, you're not looked at as being a starter, you're looked at as being a backup. And one thing that the NFL has shown time and time again they don't want a noisy backup. When you're a backup, you basically need to kind of fall into the background of the room and be there for installs and setups to help with the starter and be prepared to start in case the starter goes down. Now, shador brings a lot of eyes and a lot of hype and a lot of noise to a room when you don't need it.
Speaker 2:We've already seen time and time again where this does not fit for most NFL teams. Case in point as soon as Cam wasn't the starter with the Patriots, he was out because they couldn't have him be a backup. There's too much eyes and too much noise with him being a backup. Same thing happened with Tim Tebow. He couldn't find a spot with another team other than the fact that his play was kind of bad anyway.
Speaker 1:Well, the Patriots wanted Tebow as a fullback and he wanted to play quarterback.
Speaker 2:Exactly, but they don't want noise out of their backup quarterback. He could have been a fullback or a tight end and done that, but like okay, Johnny Manziel, same thing. Nobody wanted to keep him as a backup because there was too much noise.
Speaker 1:Too much drama, too much noise.
Speaker 2:And I'll go ahead and say like Same way.
Speaker 1:Shadur's whole pre-draft process I feel like was mishandled from the beginning.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, You're sitting here trying to promote your brand in the draft and it's like you can't he treated. You can't sit there and put legendary up there when it's like, bro, you haven't done anything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he treated the pre-draft visits like recruiting visits rather than job interviews. One thing that I read he just I think he needs to look. You want a confident quarterback, especially. You want a confident athlete on your team, but you don't want overconfident. I mean, look, he got drafted in the fifth round and still threw a huge party with all kinds of Don't get me wrong Celebrate, but the level he went to to celebrate lets me know. This is about the hype. This is about hype and image. I mean, hey, that box is full of cash.
Speaker 2:Well, image does not equal wins, and we saw that in Colorado, but more so the thing that probably bothered a lot of teams. What happens in these NFL situations? They send you information beforehand, before you do your interview, and what they want to do is they want to sit down with you and see if you can do a quarterback install and see if you can set up plays, and tell them hey, this would be my first read, this would be my second read, this is what I check into if this play is not there, this is what they want to see. They want to see before you ever get onto the field, in a game situation.
Speaker 2:Can you mentally work through the steps? And a couple of coaches came out and said they put mistakes in these reads, in these installs and he didn't catch them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, brian Dable, one of the most vocal about that.
Speaker 2:And when they're saying you're not catching, install mistakes and you're treating the whole process like you don't care, that's not going to get you drafted. I mean, okay, if you're interviewing somebody for a job and they show no interest and they're just basically or they're just all out cocky and they're missing. Yeah, you're not hitting on things you should be hitting on.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It makes it look like you don't have respect for the process or the people involved. And let's face it if this had been a player on the level of a Peyton Manning or on the level of a Patrick Mahomes, where you have the skills that can show that you're worth it, they might put up with a little bit of cockiness. I mean hell, we've put up with Aaron Rodgers crap. If Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers became cocky he wasn't cocky, he was getting he was. It was just very quiet, but the point the point of the matter.
Speaker 2:That's why he fell in the draft, by the way. Uh, for the same reasons. Yeah, he fell in the draft for the same reasons's why he fell in the draft, by the way, for the same reasons yeah.
Speaker 2:He fell in the draft for the same reasons that Chador fell in the draft. Now, granted, Aaron Rodgers didn't fall as far because a lot of his stuff wasn't as openly put out there. But when you're I hate to say it when you're the one that's out in front being the loudest, you're the one that's going to catch the most heat. And, by the way, this whole prank phone call situation Woo, I was waiting to get this.
Speaker 2:Look, this isn't the first time this has happened. This has happened to multiple players over the years, and sometimes it's their buddies calling them from another number, being jerks and just kind of playing a prank. That's all good and fine If you know the guy and you're just toying with him because you're buddies and you'd be like nah, buddy, it's not this GM, it's so-and-so Like. When you're just screwing with your buddies, that's one thing. But when you don't know the guy and you do this, it's kind of a D-bag move.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm going to take it a little step farther. Okay For me from my perspective. Okay if I'm waiting to get drafted, if I know I'm in the draft pool. Anybody calls and prank calls me. I'm sorry, we're no longer friends. You know what a big night this is to me. Okay, that's disrespectful and you're fucking me up. Second thing um, I agree that it could be a light-hearted thing, but this particular situation, especially as it happened to multiple draft prospects I think at least three. Tyler Warren was another one, I know it happened to another guy At least three that I read about.
Speaker 2:Cooper DeGene last year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cooper DeGene this is. You know. I don't know all the details with Cooper DeGene, but I know with this one, like another team's coordinator not even a head coach another team's coordinator's son had access to information that should not have been accessible. Okay, and the government? We call this pii. All right, personally. All right, personally identifiable information. I would be absolutely pissed if somebody prank called me that I had nothing to do with.
Speaker 2:Right and I agree.
Speaker 1:I agree with them and I agree with the court. I honestly $100,000 fine, I think is rather light.
Speaker 2:It's like a slap on the wrist for these guys. Well, for the NFL, for the, well, okay. So for the NFL team, which, okay, ulrich, he's with the Falcons as their defensive coordinator and the team got fined $250,000. So it's not really much for an NFL team, but you find the coach $100,000. Now I think he's making just a little over $1 million for his services. But you got to think about it this way. He is damn lucky. The defensive coordinator is, because if they would have docked picks for this, he would have been fired period.
Speaker 1:Oh, in most situations you get fired for this.
Speaker 2:Then his son would probably be getting a big old slap upside the head like you. Cost me my job, you D-bag.
Speaker 1:Oh, in most situations you get fired for this because, as an owner or a GM or even the head coach, I'm asking you why does your son have this information? Where did you take him, or what did you show him or what did he have access to that he was allowed to have this information? Where did you take him, or what did you show him or what did he have access to that he was allowed to have this information? Well draft rooms are. They're top. They're like top secret bro.
Speaker 2:Nobody gets into a draft board right, but this is this is information that he got, because his dad had the ipad at home and had it open and I'm guessing what probably happened is maybe he stepped away to go get something out of the kitchen or something and so it open. And I'm guessing what probably happened is maybe he stepped away to go get something out of the kitchen or something. His son happened to be there and was like oh look, there's Jodor's number. I'm going to type it in real quick and have it.
Speaker 1:Look.
Speaker 2:And he put in an apology. He's 21 years old, he's an adult at this point, but he's still a kid to an extent.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he made a dumb mistake, but he didn't own up to it being stupid and a mistake until he was made aware like hey, we know who you are, we know where it came from, we know what the situation is and then he puts out an apology.
Speaker 2:Now, granted, if you think about it, you know, know, back in the day, prank phone calls, those were a thing Like they. They happened. You know, it was a lot of, I know, before the caller ID, it was a lot of fun because nobody could figure out who you were. Yeah, you could go ahead and star six, nine, but take me take me back, mike, to the days before caller ID.
Speaker 1:Look, look before, before any kind of tracking you can just pick ring, ring.
Speaker 2:Hey, your fridge is on fire, it's running away there's no, no, no, no, no, no like is your fridge open?
Speaker 1:we might want to catch it. I forgot what the jokes were. We used to have a plethora of them you screwed it up it's.
Speaker 2:Is your refrigerator running?
Speaker 1:yes, well you better go catch it. That one, that one you're. And I did screw it up because I'm a fucking adult now and I don't remember shit like this.
Speaker 2:No, I mean like that's when you had, that's when you had like the old uh jerky boys tapes where they were saying it's about some crazy mess, Do you remember?
Speaker 1:you remember cranky anchors?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that too. Yeah, that too, that too. Comedy Central, don't forget Crank Yakers. Those are funny too, crank Yakers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, classic prank calling. But yeah, I mean, look, especially as men and boys I say between the ages of 16 to 23 is when men are going to be their stupidest, okay, and make all their dumbest decisions.
Speaker 2:Well, and here's the thing you can make dumb decisions. You can make mistakes, but you better damn well learn from them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you better learn from them and you better hope they're not so bad. You can't come back from them Because between 16 and 23, let me tell you what a lot of men even if you don't hear about it, a lot of boys make stupid decisions. They do dumb things, and that's just teenagers in general.
Speaker 2:But I'm a man, so I speak from my perspective. So, speaking of dumb mistakes, something that didn't happen is via the draft. Uh, ex. Running back back, adrian peterson, who was at a team event for the vikings, caught a dui after the event oap about every five to seven years.
Speaker 1:This man's in the news.
Speaker 2:I know, and not for good things. So like, come on, man.
Speaker 1:It's all dumb stuff. I gotta give him credit, though, Like it's not like he ran somebody off the road and killed him. You know not naming names.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I mean, look, I mean we're.
Speaker 1:Or bashed into somebody at 100 miles an hour.
Speaker 2:No, you're to a point. Now, though you're. You're old enough. You should not be doing as many dumb things like you look as you get older, you should start to stop doing dumb things.
Speaker 1:All adults are not mature enough to be adults. Okay, just remember this, and I'm not aiming this specifically at adrian pearson, I'm talking generally when I say something like that. But AP man, look, you had the child abuse cases and stuff with your ex going on. That was about what? Eight years ago or so? And then the money issues, then the money issues, and now this. This is just a boneheaded move to me. Okay, call an Uber, call an Uber.
Speaker 1:Call a spotlight and DWI. So in Minnesota everything is DWI. I looked into this right In Virginia. There's a difference between DUI and DWI. Dwi can be worse depending on what it?
Speaker 1:is DUI in Virginia is specifically for alcohol relation. Yeah, so if you get a DWI in Virginia, that means it could be alcohol plus suspicion of other things, or suspicion of other things besides alcohol which could be worse in your situation. Welcome to the Commonwealth In Minnesota, even if you're driving drunk, they call it DWI. So I looked into that because, like, well, maybe he was just high, maybe he smoked some weed. No, they call everything DWI regardless. No, they call everything DWI regardless. So you know, you got to be. Again going back to the thing I said, you got to be in the moment where you're at and you got to be smart. You got to be wise, okay, regardless of your age. Samson Nakua, brother of you know, nfl star Puka Nikua Nikua.
Speaker 2:Nikua.
Speaker 1:Nakua Look man. Words are hard, names are hard. Weua Nikua Nakua Nikua Look man Words are hard, names are hard.
Speaker 1:We all know who we're talking about. Anyway, his younger brother plays in the UFL. He slapped a fan in the stands at the end of a UFL game. It's still kind of unclear what the fans said to Nakua, but the UFL is reportedly investigating the incident. This comes via Maddie Fresh. Look, I know fans do things okay, I know they say things. Whether you're a performer, whether you're the athlete, whether you're the president of the United united states, the bigger your platform and the bigger your spotlight, the more expectation there's going to be for you to take the high road. Okay, uh, this was not high road, this was not high road at all. And uh, it unfortunately reminds me of my younger self a little bit. This fan says something to you know, samson Nakua, and if you watch the video, nakua, nakua, fuck off Mike. Anyway, if you watch Nakua, he walks right up this fan and he, open palm, slaps this guy without hesitation. Just, you would have thought a fight was going to break out, man, because he just nails this guy with the open palm.
Speaker 2:He just got confused man. He was going to his other career. He was going to Ultimate Slapfighter, that's right, he was going to Ultimate Slapfighting. His other career.
Speaker 1:By the way, those guys get knocked out by the way, hey, you know what?
Speaker 2:Maybe he owed him money.
Speaker 1:And he was like like, oh, there he is, look, if you ever want to see what a neurological response looks like, watch, slap fighting okay, or or save yourself the time and not.
Speaker 2:Or yeah, or just not, because it's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1:You might not like what you see, especially from from women or whatever gender you you really admire, but yeah, so you know you can't just slap fans of this dance bro. I'm sorry, I don't. I know that it's frustrating. I know they say some fucked up shit. Okay, look at our guy jaron. All right, oh, he had to be held back, do you?
Speaker 2:do you think that maybe as kind of fair is fair, they let him slap him Open palm.
Speaker 1:No, protection the fan or the security?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let the fan slap him.
Speaker 1:No, because I'm sure whatever the fan said, he deserved it.
Speaker 2:He probably did. But I'm just saying you know how things are. We're trying to save face. They bring him out to the 50-yard line get one good slap.
Speaker 1:You don't solve violence with more violence. I don't care who you are, you just don't. Have you seen the ufc? I have, and they're a different breed of people, but they fight, they fight.
Speaker 2:Their events are about fighting so hang on life lesson everybody.
Speaker 1:If a guy has a cauliflower ear, that's not the guy you choose to fight in the bar I have a cauliflower ear and I get my ass kicked all the time Okay, not all the time. I used to. I've been through a few ass kickings, not to brag.
Speaker 2:Okay, if the guy in the bar looks like he's been through a ton of fights and has a cauliflower ear, don't fight that man.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm also that guy.
Speaker 2:If he looks like Brian, you might have a chance, I got scar on my eyebrow. I do too, Anyway, so moving on, moving on, All right. So the Jets, their second-year quarterback, Jordan Travis. He is retiring after not even playing a single down in the NFL. Now, the reason we bring this up? Because most people probably don't know who Jordan Travis is.
Speaker 1:I know I don't.
Speaker 2:He's not playing a single down and is not going to even have a career in football after this, because he is one of the sad stories where not everybody who gets a knee injury can come back and play. So his knee injury has not healed the way they expected or the way that the doctors expected and, unfortunately, due to how it's come back and how he's recovered, he's going to have to call it quits and he didn't even get a chance to get on the field.
Speaker 1:And here we find the value in finishing your college degree.
Speaker 2:Well, not just that, but it's like I'm sure he'll find himself a role either in or out of football and he'll be successful. But it just goes to show that when these guys go down it doesn't necessarily mean that their career is going to bounce back always you know so like when you do have the adrian petersons who tear the acl and come back and rush for 2 000 yards.
Speaker 2:It is a marvel, it is something to be like man. Can you believe that happened? So you should. You know, when a guy goes down, you sit there and have the remorse for the fact that they went down, but also don't immediately think they're coming right back. It takes a lot and it takes not just the effort by the player but medical staffs and rehabs and just your will and luck sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you've got to be cleared to come back, right? So it's not, even if you feel great and you're performing great, if a doctor says you know you're not good to go, you're not good to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we kind of glazed over some of the draft, but we feel like it would be a good idea to go ahead and talk about some of the first few picks and kind of get an idea of how the draft went. I mean, we kind of know Cam Ward went number one, travis went number two, travis Hunter that is, and Abdul Carter found himself a new home, going to the New York Giants.
Speaker 1:Huge pickup for the Giants, by the way.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, because it adds to a defensive line that was already a little stacked Really improves their pass rush.
Speaker 1:That was just. I don't care for the Giants, but that was huge.
Speaker 2:This Will Campbell pickup is kind of an interesting one for the Patriots because a lot of people are giving him crap because he has short arms. But I heard that the Patriots coach actually went and worked him out himself and brought out a blocking pad and put him through drills Because, remember, Vrabel was a former offensive lineman. So he put him through paces and was like come on, man, show me what you got. So, he worked him out himself.
Speaker 1:And this guy, will Campbell, comes out of the SEC. Obviously they drafted him for pass protection. He needs some work and run protection. But they drafted him to protect drake may.
Speaker 2:That is why they got him and now, speaking of the browns and what they did by falling back, going to number five, they pick up mason graham, a defensive tackle that's going to anchor now their defensive line and they're in the center to be a run stuffer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know to help them out in that aspect. He's a very good player. He was very good at Michigan and you know you pair him up with Miles Garrett. Yeah, and now you're looking at a situation where you maybe be a piece or two added to that might make you have one of the best defensive lines in football now the brow.
Speaker 1:They didn't really have a bad draft. They drafted two quarterbacks, but they have five quarterbacks in their quarterback room understand that the quarterback they took before chador dylan?
Speaker 2:uh, it was a gabriel dillian, no dylan gabriel dylan Dylan.
Speaker 1:Who is it, Gabriel?
Speaker 2:Dillon no, Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1:Dylan Gabriel Sorry, his two first names.
Speaker 2:Anyway, he is basically the same thing as Shador with a stronger arm.
Speaker 1:He really is.
Speaker 2:By all accounts, if you look at the way that they were evaluated, they're almost the exact same quarterback.
Speaker 1:Honestly, I'm eager to see how this plays because being going in the fifth round.
Speaker 2:I did have a little bit of a what moment when I heard them say Dylan Gabriel, because all I thought of was that 80s singer Dylan Gabriel, dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 1:We got some classic going on here. And then pick number six Ashton Gentry.
Speaker 2:Ashton Gentry, the most sought after running back in the draft lands with the raiders and a lot of people have been like, well, he's only five, eight. Yeah, you know what that means. He's got a low center of gravity and it's going to be hard to bump his spot isn't josh jacobs only like five, six or five seven?
Speaker 1:josh jacobs like I don't know, he's a short running back, but he was fast.
Speaker 2:Ashton, jenny I don't think he's that short though ashton.
Speaker 1:Jenny is more of a power back, jacobs was a speed back, so I'm interested to see how they utilize ashton, jenny has drew a lot of comparisons to emmett smith yeah, the one.
Speaker 2:The one major difference between him and evan is the fact that he has pull away speed that is better than his and also a lot more fluid and natural. Where you you're running as hard as you can, all of a sudden he's just slowly pulling away from you like dang like a gazelle, just long strides.
Speaker 1:He looks slow, but he's just out running everybody kind of like a I won't say it anyway the new york jets, armad mimbu. Every other pick was an offensive tackle or defensive tackle hey, it's like teams were listening. You build the offensive and defensive line yeah, I mean you know and care taking to tara mcmillan, who I believe is a relative of Jalen McMillan with the Bucs, arizona, picking up a receiver.
Speaker 2:I mean they need some picks. He was an Arizona receiver going to the Panthers. Yeah, yeah, he was an Arizona receiver going to the Panthers.
Speaker 1:Sorry, I misread that there. Things are backwards for me. I have some dyslexia or mental problems.
Speaker 2:I don't know the Saints picking up Calvin Banks to kind of anchor up their offensive line.
Speaker 1:Texas offensive tackle. That's a pretty good pick for them.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I feel like this pick was them saying what a lot of teams and a lot of analysts think that they should have done, which is do they need a quarterback? Sure, but go get them next year. Yeah, because next year is a better quarterback. Sure, but go get them next year yeah, because next year is a better quarterback draft year.
Speaker 1:I think they're going to take a quarterback next year. I think they took. I want to believe they made this move now to get his feet wet so that he'll be ready when they bring in a quarterback.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, you bring in the quarterback once you've built up the offensive line.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know offensive, defensive line, but the Saints, I'm pretty sure they drafted a quarterback as well in the later rounds, if I'm not mistaken, because it was, yeah, yeah, they did, they did Actually second round tyler.
Speaker 1:Tyler show.
Speaker 2:Tyler show yeah, might be show, but I think it's show anyway. So they did pick up a quarterback.
Speaker 1:So that shows that, like they weren't sold on shador either, so, and you know, the bears picking up a tight end, this is a very ben johnson move because they had some strong tight ends in detroit well, and here's the thing, they picked up colston, loveland, who you know, all all signs pointed to like loveland and warren being the top tight ends in the draft.
Speaker 2:And they picked up Colston because, to be honest, he's a different prototype tight end, different from what they have with Komet. Komet's more like Warren, which they don't need two guys like that. So they got the playmaker and Loveland out of Michigan.
Speaker 1:I was going to say they really needed like a receiving tight end. Yeah, komet can receive, but he's more of a blocking tight end.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He's very, very protective heavy 49ers, your team picking up an edge at number 11 in Mikael Williams.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they did say that his production in college wasn't what they thought it should have been and he needs a little little refinement. But it might be one of those situations because his final year he was dealing with an ankle injury the entire year.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he was fighting through injury and still playing. Well, you know, doing a little run stuffing in it. And one common theme I kept hearing with every pick the Niners made with the defensive run that they did make. Picking up defensive players is run stuffer, run stuffer. So they're trying to stop the run.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and getting through the top 12 here Dallas Cowboys, america's team or Al-Qaeda's team, I don't know. Anyway, picking up Tyler Booker, a guard, you know what was Zach Martin? Was he a guard or was he a tackle?
Speaker 2:Zach Martin was a guard.
Speaker 1:He was a guard, so I feel like this might be a move to replace Zach Martin, you know, and then the things just fell in place down the list after that.
Speaker 2:Well, we're on to the top 15. We got Miami picking up.
Speaker 1:Kenneth Grant.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, grant, my bad Grant.
Speaker 1:We're running on two hours now. It's late for both of us Look job.
Speaker 2:So they pick up. Grant and Tyler Warrenren, who we just mentioned, went to the colts and that was a really good pickup for the colts because they really needed a tight, yeah, bad another player who dealt with uh prank calls, by the way, but number 14 overall, the colts uh, get a solid tight end.
Speaker 1:Hopefully somebody could. So, um, penn state has a knack for developing tight ends because washington took ben senno last year out of penn state and he's pretty good in blocking but he's also pretty good receiving throughout, though zach urtz is the starter over there, so I'm eager to see what tyler warren does with the indianapolis colts and if he can land a starting spot this year and at 15 we we have the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 2:They selected Jalen Walker, who is an undersized edge rusher but has all the skills in the world to be a good player in the NFL.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was evident last year. The Falcons needed some pass rush. So I think bringing in an edge rusher is great, and he's from Georgia and they produce pass rushers every year all year long. They're, you know, Bulldogs. Thank you, everybody. We're wrapping up tonight's episode. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for listening to us. It's been a hell of a ride. We have a lot going on in the world of sports right now, specifically between the NBA playoffs, the NCAA playoffs and the NFL draft just happening. Thank you once again for joining us. I'm Brian with an I and I'm Mike, and we are Two for the Win.
Speaker 2:Thanks everybody.