Two For The Win - S2.76 - Tonight We Talk UFC, Trend Setters & Welcome! Brandon Casey!!

Playoffs bring out the best stories and the worst decisions, so we go rapid-fire across the sports map with the stuff fans cannot stop talking about. We react to a UFC return that ends in a blink, the kind of finish that instantly fuels controversy, then jump into NHL playoff heat and what Game 7 pressure does to teams and fan bases. From there we hit Major League Baseball storylines that matter right now, including big injuries, pitching moves, Kyle Schwarber’s historic home run pace, and a truly rare inside-the-park grand slam that feels like a once-a-decade highlight. We also talk about the ABS challenge system and why it is changing how umpires and catchers work, plus the uncomfortable side of ballpark culture when fans cross the line and teams have to respond.

On the NBA side, we get into coaching and roster shakeups, Kyrie speculation, and the playoff swings that make the postseason addictive, including a double overtime battle and a comeback that flips a game from “over” to “legend.” We keep it honest about effort, closing habits, and why stars get judged differently when the moment gets tight.

Then our good friend Brendan Casey joins us and steals the show with real talk on youth sports coaching. He breaks down what it is actually like to coach five and six year olds, how to handle sideline parents, what fundamentals are hardest to teach, and why the goal at that age is development and confidence, not a rec league trophy. If you are a sports parent, a coach, or just someone who loves how sports connects to life, this conversation lands.

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Transcript

Welcome, Shoutouts, And Sponsors

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May 20th, 2026. Welcome back everybody, and thank you once again for joining us for another episode of Sports Talk. I'm Brian with an eye, and I'm Mike. And we are two for the win. Mike, what are we talking about tonight, brother?

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Man, you gotta have some hype when it comes to playoffs. And I tell you what, NHL and NBA are not letting us down. Plenty of hype coming from both. Absolutely. We got a little sports to talk about across the other landscapes between the WNBA and Ultimate Fighting.

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And we also UFC up in here today. A little UFC.

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We like to diversify a little bit. Baseball setting some trends. And as always, we gotta check in with the NFL.

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As always, you know we can't forget about the NFL no matter what time of year it is. Uh I don't think we forget about really any sport, but before we get going, uh, real quickly, I just want to shout out to our friend Bruce Layton. Uh he's going through some things with his family. I'm not gonna divulge his uh all his business, but brother, I just want you to let you know over here at Two for the Win on the East Coast, we are thinking and praying for you and your family, and uh our thoughts and prayers are with you, okay? Uh hopefully you hear this. Uh later on this episode, I hope, you know, like Cam's getting boo. You know, it's a southern thing. Y'all wouldn't understand. Anyway, later on in this episode, what if uh what if they are southern? Our good friend Brendan Casey, you know, coming up, and I can't wait to share what he had to say with you. And as always, our sponsors and partners, Body by D Gym, located in Yorktown and Gloucester. Deshaun Wright's a foreign bodybuilding champion and training future bodybuilding champions of their own right. A lot of youth-oriented things happening there, a lot of community-oriented things happening out of that finished center. Uh, I can't say enough about it. Uh, our good friends Caden and Christian over at Solace Outfitters, our friends at Made in Norfolk uh clothing company, and Mid-Atlantic Territory Wrestling. Who loves a good little pro wrestling action? Can't leave pro wrestling out of our sports talks, which by the way, if you're in the area of Shenandoah, Virginia, uh, in fact, uh this weekend they have a free one-night show going on that out there, as well as June 13 live from Body by G Gym Body by D Gym. Sorry, guys. Uh their annual pay-per-view event, Scars and Stripes, uh huge uh main event going on there. Uh can't wait to talk more about that later. But right now, let's talk about some traditional sports, Mike.

Rousey Returns In 17 Seconds

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Well, let's start out with a little UFC and talk about UFK a comeback.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

If UFC was a word, it's pre-pronounced UFK or UFS.

SPEAKER_04 2:53

Right. Okay, so we had a comeback this past weekend. Last Saturday, Round of Rousey, after being away, I think for 10 years, made her date. Has it been comeback years? Yeah, dude. It's been a minute. Remember, she went to WWE for a little while. Yeah. And did a few other things on the side. But now she's back in back in the UFC, and she had her first bout against Gina Carrero or Corano. Gina Carrano.

SPEAKER_03 3:24

Wasn't she Gina Serrano?

SPEAKER_04 3:26

Wasn't she in Deadpool and also in the Mandalorian?

SPEAKER_03 3:30

I don't know, but she almost died in this match. Uh she didn't almost die.

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But this match was over quite fast. I mean, main event, you typically don't like to see this happen. I mean, kind of gives me uh a little bit of a wayback machine with Mike Tyson fights where they used to be over in a flash, you know, like you snapped your fingers or turned your head away, you might have missed the knockout kind of a situation. But in this case, Ron Rousey within 17 seconds went ahead, took Gina down, got into an arm bar, and got the tap.

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I digress. Just that quick. I digress. Point made, you're back, sister. Yeah, well.

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But here's but here's the thing. There has been a little bit of controversy where people are like, oh was this a setup? Was this a setup for her to come back? You know, like, well, go ahead and get you this win, and you know, because I mean, look, Gina looked awfully uh happy and was hugging Ronda Rousey after the match, and some people are debating on whether it was fixed. I mean, I personally I don't I don't know of any fighter that wants to lose, but I mean, you know, a little bit of a lot of people.

SPEAKER_03 4:47

I mean, I know the conspiracy theorists, you know, they'll probably like, oh, she made more to lose the match than Rousey made to win the match, you know. But I I don't see that.

SPEAKER_04 4:58

Okay.

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I just don't see it. I'm not saying it's not there, but I don't see it. Well, I think if you know what you know, if you know what we know about Rousey and you've been around when she was in the UFC before, uh, you know this girl is real. Like I'm uh uh and she routinely, this was not out of this was an MO for her. She routinely had fast knockouts when she was around before.

SPEAKER_04 5:22

Well, I remember when when uh Katie Holmes uh knocked the sonic rings out of her with that kick, knocking her out flat.

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Yeah, I mean there was there were some moments. There were some moments of question, but Rousey, when she won, she often I think she often won fast, if I remember correctly. Like she's yeah, she gets down, she gets down to rumble quick.

SPEAKER_04 5:46

Well, if she got you down to the ground and got that arm bar on you, it was usually overpressed. Oh, you're that or you'd be walking away with a broken arm. Yeah, because she would lock that in and it's done. Yep. But speaking of done, how about that match between Mike Perry and Nate Diaz? If you didn't see this fight, or if you haven't seen any images of what Nate Diaz looked like after this fight, I implore you, go look at it. We implore you because this match between between Perry and Diaz, it didn't go the distance. You know, Perry wound up winning this match by TKO after after there was a stop in the second round, and mainly because Nate Diaz couldn't stop bleeding. He had hit him with some really good shots, and he was just a bloody mess. And it was not stopping. The power of Mike compels you to go back and watch this clip. Well, if if you want a little taste of what it looks like here, you here let me show Brian real quick.

SPEAKER_03 6:52

You're showing me?

SPEAKER_04 6:53

Yeah, I'm showing you.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

Oh, I love that they got the Planet Fitness logo right in the middle of that. Good job on the marketing, guys. Yeah. Well, because yeah, you're gonna be a good one. Good job on the marketing. Planet Fitness is like bam, money shot, worth every penny.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

Yeah, because you're gonna get in a bloody fight at Planet Fitness.

SPEAKER_03 7:11

Yeah, no, you're gonna go to Planet Fitness to get ready for a bloody fight, probably to get ready to be bludgeoned by somebody else.

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Anyway, Perry basically said that, yeah, I got some good shots in on him. You know, is very humble about his whooping of Nate Diaz.

SPEAKER_03 7:30

Yeah, I got some good shots in on him. Anyway, so that's uh that's interesting. But we're gonna talk a little bit of soft-hearted things here, okay. This actually kind of is a little bit of a crossover between uh baseball and Mike's favorite sport, pro wrestling, okay?

SPEAKER_04 7:46

Oh what you had that backwards, baseball.

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Yeah, whatever. Same,

Fan First Ideas Worth Stealing

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same. Anyway, so I picked this up off social media, it's just gonna be a quick thing here, but I thought it was interesting enough to mention. So, just to summarize, basically, the owner of the Savannah Bananas and now a pro wrestling company, uh Kraken Pro Wrestling, by the way, shout out to you guys. Um, they instead of signing autographs, they went to uh did they go to a hospital? They went somewhere. Sorry, sorry for that. They just held an autograph signing, but instead, basically what they did instead of signing autographs, which I'm sure they did a couple of, they let their fans, notably children, sign their shirts. So it was kind of like a reversal of an autograph signing. And Mike, I think that's a great thing. We should have all our fans, all 25 of you, sign our shirts one day at a live showing for charity purposes, in fact.

SPEAKER_04 8:49

Well, the owner, uh the owner of the Savannah Bananas basically had has a business model where he says the fans come first. Yes. So he always tries to do things that are rooted around the fans of the Savannah Bananas, or in this case, now they're pro-wrestling organization. And this was just a one way for them to meet with the fans and kind of have a reverse. Instead of the entertainers signing autographs, which I'm sure they did, instead, they were getting autographs from their fans. I like the fan first approach. Kind of a cool idea.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Yeah, and I like the fan first approach because our fans are number one here at Two for the Win. All of our fans are also our co-hosts. So welcome to the show, everybody.

SPEAKER_04 9:36

Yeah, it's someday we'll have call-ins, and I'm sure people will call us up and be like, you suck.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

They probably already say that, but we don't care because why? What did you have more there? I just kind of trailed off. I mean, I could add to it, but I'm not gonna be vulgar on air. Anyway, let's move on into some baseball action,

NHL Game Sevens And Lost Home Teams

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Mike.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

No, or wait, wait, wait, we got some hockey. Stop trying to jump ahead too far ahead. Right, I'm jumping the shit. We gotta talk, we gotta talk hockey. That's right. Because we got playoff hockey at that time. Playoffs? So we're getting close to the finals here. Let's jump in tonight or this episode, and let's jump in with the Sabres and the Canadians. The Sabres going to a game seven. And gotta love game seven. Everybody who's a fan of sports loves a game seven when it comes to playoffs. Unfortunately, for Buffalo, they didn't come away with a victory in this one. The Canadians edged him out three to two to advance to play the Hurricanes in the Eastern Conference Finals. Over on the western side. West, that would be the West. The Western side. The Western side. We already knew the Avalanche. We already knew the Avalanche made their advance. They handled the wild with no problems at all. But we were we were waiting on what was going to happen between the Golden Knights and the Ducks. Unfortunately for the Ducks, they could only edge out two games out of this series. It went to six games total. And the Knights last game, they put up five to one on the Ducks and bounced them out. So you got an Avalanche Golden Knights series for the Western.

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I'm officially no longer invested because the Ducks and the Penguins are out. Okay. Both animals have. I mean, I guess the wild is kind of animalistic. Anyway, I'm eager to see what happens with the Golden Knights going forward and if they can take a if they can hold off the Avalanche or not. We got number one versus number one over here on the Western side. So who do you want to see then in the finals? Hmm. You know, I'm not gonna lie. I like the Avalanche, I like the Golden Knights, but I'm gonna say I want to see Golden Knights advance and the Canadians advance.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

I like to see an upset over there in the East. I'm kind of thinking I'm I want to see an Avalanche Canadians championship. And to be honest, mainly because I don't really like the Hurricanes. Sorry, Hurricanes fans, I don't like them because they're the reason that we did not get a professional team here in Hampton Roads. Because if people do not know this, back in 1997, there was actually a concept jersey even made and an actual rendering where they were going to start a franchise here and call it the Hampton Roads Rhinos. If you go online, you can still look at look what the jersey is.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

Rhinos. We don't have rhinos here in Hampton Roads, bro.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

Yeah, and there's a whole bunch of other stuff that does. Are there nights in uh Vegas?

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Are there golden nights? Yeah, they're called gold bars, and it's the gambling Sin City.

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Look, bottom line. They got the hurricanes, which used to be the Whalers, and when they got the hurricanes, it knocked us out from being able to have our professional hockey team. I would have loved to have an NHL team here.

SPEAKER_03 13:17

Yeah, they've come close a couple times. We almost had a basketball team, almost had a hockey team. The closest we come so far is a semi-pro baseball team.

SPEAKER_04 13:24

So well, don't forget about you know when we had had the uh Oh yeah, ODU.

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We also have ODU. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 13:31

No, no, I'm talking about professional-wise. We had the UFL team.

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Yeah, we had the Destroyers, which is now a youth football organization. Shout out to you guys, by the way, doing great work. Um, I wish the Commanders could have become the Washington Destroyers, but they're not that cool, apparently.

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But yeah, if you want to see something interesting, especially for folks in Hampton Roads, go look for the Hampton Roads Rhino jersey concepts and see what we would have had. It was kind of a neat looking jersey. I'm not gonna lie, I probably would have repped one if we got them.

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But instead we got the admirals. Welcome back, Admirals!

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Yeah, we have the admirals, but they relegated us down to ECHL instead of Ace uh AHL, which really pissed me off, especially after we won the championship and then they moved the entire team. Yeah, yeah.

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That was that was kind of BS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whatever. Anyway, let's move on into baseball and other

Dodgers Injuries And Schwarber’s Historic Pace

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topics. Some baseball. So Dodgers not really having a great run with uh injuries here lately because they found out that they're losing Blake Snell for the entirety of the rest of the year, uh, due to what they deem loose bodies in his throwing elbow. So he's gonna be done for the rest of the year. Uh but shortly after this information came out, uh they did acquire, which also the relieving core is kind of not in such great shape, so they went ahead and they made a trade. They hit up the Blue Jays to try to add, and I love doing this to Brian.

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We used to love doing this to AI. Eric Lauer.

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Yes, they add Eric Lauer, if which the name should sound a little familiar because they did face him in the World Series, but they're adding him, the 30-year-old, to their pitching staff, so hopefully to ease some tension with their bullpen. And moving down, Kyle Schwarber. Come on down. Kyle Schwarber's having another great year. He's he is on pace right now to break possibly into the first time ever, into 60 and possibly even even 70 home runs on the year. The pace he's at right now is is pretty impressive. But he's also setting good marks for the team Kyle Schwarber is. He is doing things that have not been done for his club. Schwarber has 20 home runs in in the club's first 45 games of the season, tying a Phillies record set by Cy Williams in 1923. Yeah. So nobody since 1923 has done this. So if you're doing something that hasn't been done in over a hundred years, you're doing something. I mean, go on and get it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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But so let me ask you, Brian. Okay. I love questions. What would you say is probably one of the most exciting things you can have happen in a baseball game when somebody's batting?

SPEAKER_03 16:59

When somebody's bat is awfully specific.

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Yeah, so somebody's batting, right? What's the most exciting thing that can happen when somebody's batting?

SPEAKER_03 17:07

I love to heckle the batter or the pitcher. No, no, I mean pitcher's got a big butt.

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Okay. But what's the most exciting thing you could have happen? A home run. Okay. I'm just taking a guess. I will I will accept the answer of a home run. But do you know what's better than just a home run?

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Hot dogs at the concession stand.

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A grand slam. Oh. When the bases are juiced and you hit it out. There's nothing quite like that. But there's one extra. Something that makes it just a little bit, little bit extra.

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Ketchup and mustard.

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What? No. Why are you stuck on food?

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I love ballpark hot dogs.

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What makes it a little extra is when you can do this in a fashion that doesn't get seen very often.

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Yes.

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And now you're you may be asking, what do I mean by a grand slam that doesn't happen very often?

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That's that meal I get at the end.

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Grand slams happen not like not get off the food. We're on baseball. Grand slams don't happen, or they do happen all the time in baseball, but not necessarily in the fashion that the Nationals experienced just the other night.

Inside The Park Grand Slam Lore

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Uh the Nationals player and I wanna I always want to say his name wrong, it's James Wood. I always want to say James Woods because the actor, but no, it's James James Wood, who we who we've talked about before. He robbed a home run not too long ago, uh, and we brought that up on our show. James Wood. Yeah, James Wood. What would James do? What would James do, James Wood? James was up in a game where he hit a grand slam, but in this case, this grand slam was an inside the park grand slam.

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Out the left center, this ball is right. Into the game with off the top of the ball. Two outfielders look at themselves. It's gonna fight the baseball. Here comes James Wood, rounding third and heading home. For James Wood!

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So this marked a comeback win for the Nationals this past Tuesday, where they beat the Mets 9-6 in a comeback victory. And large part in the fact that Woods hit that inside the park home run. And it it it really kind of was interesting that both outfielders for the Mets, one tries to go for the ball, collides into the wall as he's jumping for it, and he kind of hits the dirt, and the other players looking at him, and it's like, wait a second, why aren't you getting the ball? Like he clearly didn't catch it. Go get the ball. And you know, it was like a split second where they're like, Oh, yeah, nobody's over here. We might want to get that ball. Come on, guys. Yeah, what did you wait for? Whose assignment is this? Anyway, if you get a chance, go look at the Jay the James Wood home run inside the park grand slam. It's it's a really interesting home run to see. Because you don't see that that often. And actually, interesting fact. Interesting fact. The last person to do that for a walk-off? Do you know?

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Do I look like I know?

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I don't know why I asked you these things. I don't know why I asked you these things. You know what? Go ahead and look it up while while I move on to the next subject.

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Did you just do to me?

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Go ahead and look that up.

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What if I I don't even remember the question.

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Grants Grand Slam for a walk-off. So we're gonna move along and while he's looking that up. And bid farewell to a 10-year vet in Geo Ursula. Now you might be asking, well, why are we talking about a utility guy that kind of bounced around from team to team? Ursula? Ursula. Ursula. He played for the athletics, the Yankees, the Blue Jays, the Angels, the Detroit Tigers, the Guardians, the Twins, and the Braves in his in his time in the major leagues. And I bring it up not because of him retiring, but more so in the way he talked about his retirement. He's only 34 years of old. Only 34 years old. Did you find it, Brian? I did find it. Okay, who is it? Uh Roberto Clemente. Thank you. Yes, Roberto Clemente of the Pirates was the last person to hit an inside the Park Grand Slam as a walk-off. And I bring that up because Robert Roberto Calente tragically died in a plane crash, but was gonna be one of those players that you're gonna mention him as Babe Ruth type level because of how good of a player he was. It's one of those what could have been scenarios because he was so good. But back to Ursula. Back to Geo, and let's talk about how he announced his retirement. This is more so why I want to talk about this. Because most of the time you hear players go, it's very it deeply saddens me to bid farewell, but this is not what he did. This is how he said it. He said, Today is the day. The day you never dream about, the day you never imagine, the day you never expect to come. But deep down, you know that one day it will arrive. Today is the day I close this chapter professional as a professional player. This is this is not a moment to be sad, it is a moment to be grateful to God and allowing me to play this beautiful sport that changed my life. I mean, come on. That has gotta be so cool, you know, to just be like, I'm not sad, I'm grateful for the opportunity. And most people don't get the opportunity to play professional sports, you know, and I I realize when you have to say goodbye and you have to walk away, it is an emotional thing. It does say, but the way he went about saying, I'm grateful, we never expect for this to happen, but it does happen. So I implore the fans that are that are listening that play sports, just take a moment when you do play and think about the fact that one day you won't, one day you'll hurt, one day it won't be as easy.

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So enjoy it. Wow. And I yeah, I I'll second that because there was a time before even pro wrestling, there was a time that I was a football player and a wrestler uh in high school, man, and you think those days gonna last forever. Yeah, we all feel bulletproof in our 20s. I can't even get out of the chair some days, much less try to go do a Gramby role.

SPEAKER_04 24:29

Oh Lord, he's taking it back. So moving on to the next topic.

ABS Challenges And Umpires Under Fire

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ABS is becoming so much fun, and not just for the players themselves or for the fans, but it's kind of having a little bit of fun from the umpire's perspective, too. And I bring that up to talk about this, what may turn into a new stat. We'll see if it turns into this. But since implementing the ABS Challenge system in Major League Baseball, it has provided an opportunity for Royals catcher Salvador Perez, which really good pitcher or catcher, he's been around for a long time and probably future Hall of Famer, to display yet another skill, elite skill that he has. Through this point point of the season, Perez has been successful 27 out of 35 challenges behind the plate, which makes him third in the signal callers in baseball. So he's only third on the list. He's a 36-year-old catcher and still playing at an elite level. But I bring this up because he had a scenario in this game between the Kansas City Royals and the Red Sox, where Seth Lugo was on the mound and Colton Wong was at the plate. Or Connor Wong, sorry. And Perez correctly guessed two pitches in a row that they were inside the strike zone. So twice the catch or the uh umpire, Lance Diaz, called them a ball, and after ABS, after a challenge, they were converted to a strike. So this led to a really funny moment with the veteran catcher and the umpire. And I'm gonna show you this picture real quick, Brian. See this picture here?

SPEAKER_03 26:25

I do, I have it on my phone as well, on my version of the agenda.

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Okay. You see this picture where the umpire is like leaning over his shoulder because the very next pitch was a high fastball that was definitely out of the strike zone. And Lance Diaz leans down, he goes, Are you gonna challenge this one too? So I gotta I gotta love the fact that you know, even even the umpires are having a little fun with it. He's like, really? Uh two in a row, you're gonna challenge this one? That's funny. So yeah, if you get a chance and you can find find it, look at this look, look, look for this this situation. If you can find a video, it's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

That is awesome. You go and challenge this one to I feel like I can identify with this umpire.

SPEAKER_04 27:13

Right, right. So moving on, since we're talking about umpires, okay. We had a had a really embarrassing moment for an umpire in a game most recently. Um, and it was with the New York Mets jumping out out to a lead of in the 12th inning on a Monday, a Monday's night, a Monday night's game against the Nationals. Uh both managers were kind of befuddled because, you know, the Nationals managers, like, we're down. All right, let's bring in a position player and let's not deal with this anymore. And have him pitch. Let's not waste our pitchers on some a game that's out of hand. We're not winning this one. Yeah. You know, it's it's a common thing. But the umpire didn't know the rules. Oh. The umpire didn't under didn't know if this was a thing that could be done.

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So I feel like there's a judgment call coming our way.

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So I'm trying to Mike is trying to find his way through the universe.

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Trying to find the impact to make his points, which is not very pointy, but more of bold. Like a bald pointed pen. A ballpoint pen. Is that how they got those, Mike? I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

Well, they got it because there's a there's a roller in the pen that allows the ink to roll out. That's why it's called a ball. Thank you for breaking it down on an engineering level. So, anyway, getting back to it, basically the umpire didn't know the rule, didn't understand that you can bring in a position player to pitch, and it's okay. And for some reason, this umpire didn't know it, which is quite embarrassing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

But you the umpire, bro. Yeah, you're supposed to know all the rules. You're supposed to know everything.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

Right, right. So speaking of embarrassing, uh for the Cubs, their outfielder, Pete Crow Pete Crow Armstrong, and I don't know why this thing is not loading like it's supposed to. Here we go. Yeah. Pete Crow Armstrong is being fined an undisclosed amount of money stemming from an incident with a fan fan Sunday at Rate Field, which is the White Sox field. Um Crow, who or Crow Armstrong, apologized Monday and basically said his choice of words were not great. And a fan was heckling him in the fifth inning, and the Cubs lost to the White Sox, and he said he deeply gr regrets making these statements. Basically, Crow was fielding a ball, crashed into a wall, looked a little hurt, but this fan had been going at him and apparently said one too many things, and he barked back. And this is not the first time this happened. We've had players bark back, but it happens across all sports. Yeah, but this this, you know, typically baseball players that rolls off their back, because they get it all the time. You know, they get they get heckled all the time. Boo. Yeah, you know, usually it's like whatever. I mean, back in the day they used to have uh, you know, fans throw in stuff at the at the opposing team. They quit that?

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I thought they still do that.

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No. You do that, you get thrown out.

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Now, if you're a Philadelphia Eagles fan, apparently it's accepted that.

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They're a different breed. Anyway, point of the matter is Armstrong is regretting his choice of words, regretting what he said and did. I'm not going to repeat the things that he said or did. If you want to look it up, you certainly may.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

We don't need to bring them here.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

We're family friendly. We don't need to go down that road. That's right. He's having a great year. This was just a really bad blemish on a good year. We don't need to take a like. Hopefully, this won't happen ever again. And hopefully, do something to the fan. Probably. Which reminds me, I forgot to mention the Nationals did something. The Nets, the Natty Lights, I forgot to mention I forgot to mention this while we were talking, Nationals. Woo! So the Nationals have banned fans who displayed large white nationalist banners calling for deportation at one of their games. They have gone back and tried to figure out who these people are, and they are banning them from being able to come to any more national games.

SPEAKER_03 32:03

Well, yeah, I agree, I agree with that. It just it's kind of like with the NFL, right? And and the NBA, like, well, less the NBA. The NBA kind of dives headfirst into politics, but the other ones don't. Um, I I agree, like, leave politics off of it, out of it. If you're gonna go to a game, go to a game, enjoy it, because you're also making it unpleasant for people around you. And I feel like consideration really doesn't exist anymore, Mike. Well, in this world.

SPEAKER_04 32:33

But here's the thing like most baseball games are like a family affair, like you're bringing kids, and you know, the the Nats have already come out and said like they're not gonna support anybody doing hateful stuff within the confines of their park or doing anything that is considered, you know, uh, you know, uh like a hate crime. Like they don't want anything like that in their park, and I'm sure all of the other teams in baseball will follow suit, like they don't want to have that in their ballparks either. Because really it's a family affair. You know, usually a family's coming and they're bringing kids, and this may be their first ever baseball game, and then you see some Yahoos putting up banners, holding banners about deportation and other stuff. Like, come on now.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

Not only that, but I just want to point out the fact, not just how widely worldwide popular baseball is, but also the fact that, especially here in America, uh, there are a lot of players, pro, semi-pro, whatever level you're on, that are also immigrants. All right.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

A lot of players imagine.

SPEAKER_03 33:37

A lot of players are a lot of players, are not from America, okay, not natural-born citizens, I'll say that. Um, and especially in a lot of Latin type families, baseball is huge, baseball and soccer. So, like, and you think of somewhere like America, baseball is a very diversified sport. So, I I honestly agree with banning that.

SPEAKER_04 34:00

It it should be a comfortable space for all involved. There shouldn't be this type of stuff. Like, honestly, you should be able to go to a game, even if you're not for the team that like if it's their home park, let's say you're a Mets fan and you were at Nationals Park, you should feel okay to go to Nats Park and watch your team and cheer your team. That's why there's a visitor side and a home side to the field, you know, where the fans sit. I mean, that you should be able to enjoy the game and have a good day out. And, you know, if you bring the family or if it's just you and some buddies, yes, like have a good time, but not have a time ruined because a couple, you know, no, I I agree.

SPEAKER_03 34:39

I agree with that wholeheartedly, Mike. Um yeah, it's just too diverse, too dynamic of a sport, and again, the family-friendly atmosphere. Uh, just there's no place really in any sport for that, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 34:52

I mean, honestly, go to the park. If you're an adult, have an adult beverage, have some good food, chill out and enjoy yourselves. Don't make it so crucial.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Yeah, don't go to the children's park, go to the baseball park. Sorry, meant to say that part.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

As I alluded to earlier, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna progress on.

SPEAKER_03 35:12

We're just gonna move past that.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

Yeah. So I wanna I wanted to bring this up because I I I said earlier that baseball is setting trends, and we have a new trend, and it's kind of thanks to an organization that has been around for a while.

Walk Off Shirt Trend And WNBA Moments

SPEAKER_04 35:30

And uh that organization is the Cardinals, and this happened in a game most recently. And let's see if I can get this to play correctly.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Scoring position, all can win the game. JJ takes off a drive, deep field, it's gonna do it in a big way.

SPEAKER_04 36:20

Oh, that's awesome. A good divisional matchup between between the pirate pirates and the Cardinals in a walk-off fashion through run home, as you heard. But what was kind of interesting is the fans kind of started a new trend. It it's the shirts off walk-off trend where fans take their shirts off and spin them over their head look kind of like the terrible towels to encourage the team to get a walk-off.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

We're gonna start doing this at Tide Stadium. I'm going to Harbor Park and we're gonna start taking our shirt off.

SPEAKER_04 36:52

Hold on to set a trend. Hold up, hold up.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

Should we do our pants? Should we take our pants off? Not unless you want to spend a night in jail. Hold on. There's underwear now. It's not totally public indecency. Hey. No.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

No means no. I don't like it. I don't like that. Anyway, look, personally, there are some people just leave it on. Please. For everybody's sake, just leave the shirt on.

SPEAKER_03 37:19

That's discriminatory, Mike.

SPEAKER_04 37:20

No, I'm not. No. No. Again, it's a family atmosphere. There are some people that need to keep their shirt on. That's discriminatory, Mike. Hey, you know what's gonna happen. You know some kids gonna see see one of these big dudes and be like, mommy, why does that man have boobs? You know that's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 37:42

I digress. Professional digression. I I digress.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

Well usually you have to tell me to shut up, but this is interesting dynamic. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Flip script on you. Speaking of flipping script, let's move on to WMDA. I love flips. I like I know a guy named Flip. Sure. We've all heard of the Indianapolis 500. It's not what I thought you were gonna say, but yes. So the Indianapolis 500 usually has a guest Graham Marshall to start the race. They usually are the ones that say, gentlemen and ladies, start your engines.

SPEAKER_03 38:19

Yeah. Is Denver Kirkpatrick in this this year?

SPEAKER_04 38:22

No, she's a retired racer. She doesn't race anymore. Uh but I bring this up because this is in Indiana, the Indianapolis 500 go figure is bullying. So they have looked within and found their grand marshal. Within themselves. They're bringing Caitlin Clark to come be the Grand Marshal for the world. I support it. I'm down with it.

SPEAKER_03 38:46

I think it's kind of a cool gig. We like sports crossovers, and what better than WNBA to come over to the redneck NASCAR side of things? These are two worlds that shouldn't collide, but they did.

SPEAKER_04 39:00

I mean, look, it NASCAR doesn't have to be redneck. I mean, a lot of people like NASCAR and they're not necessarily rednecks.

SPEAKER_03 39:07

I was halfway joking about that. Please don't be offended. However, I feel like the NASCAR people will be the least offended of everybody. So I take solace in that.

SPEAKER_04 39:17

So moving moving right along, uh, so Hall of Famer Lisa Leslie, uh former WMW NBA player, three-time MVP, and four-time gold medalist, is getting a pretty huge honor for her time playing with the Sparks. Uh, they're gonna make a statue. And what what makes this even what makes this even cooler? Her statue will be joining the likes of Kobe Bryant, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Irvin Magic Johnson, Shaquille New, Wayne Gretzky, Pat Riley, Oscar De La Hoya, Chick Hearns, Jerry West, Bob Miller, and Elgin Baylor, Dustin Brown. What?

SPEAKER_03 40:03

No statue for Asia Wilson?

SPEAKER_04 40:06

This is usually you get a statue after you retire. So anyway, but the reason I bring that up is because this is the this is going to be put alongside all these other statues outside of the crypto arena or the crypto.com arena in Los Angeles. Crypto. So her statue is gonna sit with all of those Hall of Fame basketball players, hockey players, boxers. Like she's gonna be a prominent figure in the first woman's statue outside that arena. That is super cool. That is super cool and well deserving, too.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

So maybe I was thinking of Cynthia Cooper. I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_04 40:57

I I don't know where your brain goes half the time, so that's on you.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

It's weird because I don't either. But anyway, that's very good uh accomplishment. I'm sure she loved it. I'm sure she's excited as well as their fans.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

Um so from us here at two for the win, congratulations.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

Congratulations, yes.

SPEAKER_04 41:18

So moving over to couch basketball.

NBA Coaching Changes And Kyrie Rumors

SPEAKER_04 41:21

Yes, yes. Um so unfortunately, Kentucky and Gonzaga. Kentucky stop that have agreed to discontinue their series where they play every year. And this is two years before the agreement where they were going to disband it anyway. So they're jump starting it and saying, look, we're done now. We don't want to do it no more. Which is kind of disappointing. You know, in this day where you know you have leagues changing and teams going and jumping from one conference to another, and you know, formal rivalry games just not happening anymore.

SPEAKER_03 41:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:57

It you know, it's just another one that goes to the wayside.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

Speaking of- I'm honestly kind of gonna miss this one.

SPEAKER_04 42:04

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see what happens. Maybe we can get it in uh a little bit of conference play. Or uh March Madness play, I should.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Yeah, I was gonna say March Madness bracket. I was trying to think of it as well. So which by the way speaking of the WNBA. You mean NBA? I mean the NBA. Sorry. Speaking speaking of things going on. I'm thinking of winners, so I always put a W in front of everything. Sorry, my bad. Not just for women.

SPEAKER_04 42:31

Speaking of things going away, uh Dallas has basically said, all right, Jason Kidd, go away. We're done with you. After five seasons, and let's be fair, he did lead this team deep into the playoffs his first few years, and it's been a mixed bag of whatever the past two seasons. But yeah, he they're giving him the boot and they're moving on. They're basically redoing this entire organization, you know, with all the firings and getting rid of folks.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

So well, yeah, I was I was gonna say the Mavs, I mean, you know, we saw what happened last year with the draft, and then you know, some of the way that went, and now uh I mean it they got they got like the best pick in all of the draft because they had a number one pick.

SPEAKER_04 43:23

Yeah, and they got Cooper Flag, which is a key piece for them moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

And and now clearly they're looking at you know, possibly moving on, you know, from a few things, you know, as we'll get to in just a second Kyrie situation.

SPEAKER_04 43:35

So yeah, speaking of somebody else they're moving on from they're moving on from Kyrie.

SPEAKER_03 43:40

So they're they're looking for some, it seems like possibly some significant changes this coming off season. I think they like what they have in Cooper Flag as well as some other other younger players. Um, I I think, like you say, Mike, they're trying to overhaul a little bit more, they're trying to push this envelope a little bit forward. But real quick, uh, while we're talking about The Mavs and Mr. Kyrie. Uh, where do you think Irving, if he leaves Dallas, which a lot of people? Yeah, I was gonna say he's kind of expected to part ways, however, that comes at this point. Where do you think he lands at? Hmm. That's a very good question. I got one in mind. I'm gonna wait and see what you say.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

No, go ahead. I got I gotta think of one. I I don't have a really good answer to that because I started thinking of teams and going, no, but they already go where all the greats go to end their career.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

You go to the Lakers. I don't think they want to bring him in. I think he sluts right in there, honestly. I don't think they you're you might be right, they may not be interested in him, but I think they would be a good landing spot for him, assuming it was mutual. Yeah, but I don't I don't I don't they're trying to get younger. Yeah, they're trying, yeah, they're trying to get lucky, and then they're trying to close the book on the whole LeBron uh saga. But I I do think that that's another big one.

SPEAKER_04 45:00

If they keep LeBron, they're not gonna want him there because LeBron and him don't exactly I mean they they get along, but they don't get along.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

I think LeBron's future largely has a decision on whether or not Kyrie comes there, and I think even their like you said, trying to get your that probably plays a role as well.

SPEAKER_04 45:18

I don't think LeBron wants to play with him again.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

He could go over to Houston and play with KD if they decide to keep him if after all that drama.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

I don't know that he wants to play with KD again.

SPEAKER_03 45:30

I agree.

SPEAKER_04 45:30

I don't I don't know that he wants to do that either. They played together with the Nets and it didn't didn't really work out.

SPEAKER_03 45:37

Well, maybe he leaves the Western Conference, comes over to Eastern Conference. Maybe he comes over to East Side. Uh maybe he joins the likes of I could see I could see him going going somewhere like the Pistons. I can see him going to the Pistons. Uh I don't know. Maybe maybe Orlando. Yeah, Orlando or I don't know if the Hawks have a need for him.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

I don't I don't think so. I think they they they're good with the what they have there. And yeah, again, they're another team trying to go younger. He could wind up with the Heat.

SPEAKER_03 46:11

Charlotte could be a good landing spot, depending on how they utilize it.

SPEAKER_04 46:14

I don't think he would fit in Charlotte only because they they traded for Kobe White.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

And I don't think I don't think they need him. Yeah, you got a good point there. Yeah, you know, uh, like you say, Orlando would be good. What was the other one you said? The Heat.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

Heat, yeah, Miami, yeah. Heat like taking in veteran players towards the end of their career that they can utilize, or he could reunite with AD over in Washington.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Well, uh with the Wizards. Well, the NBA just expanded two teams, didn't they? Vegas and Seattle. Maybe he joins.

SPEAKER_04 46:50

They haven't finalized it yet.

SPEAKER_03 46:51

They haven't finalized it yet?

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Oh shit, my bad. See, you're getting ahead of things, dude. I get ahead of it. You're getting ahead of it. You're getting ahead of things that haven't happened. Hasn't been finalized.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

Well, my bad. I thought it was. I must have been misinformed. But assuming that does happen, though, since that could be a possibility. He could help kickstart them.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

Well, since you brought it up, and they're still trying to come up with names and stuff for these expansion teams, and there's been a lot of stuff floated around about what to call the Vegas team. And I think they're missing a golden opportunity because you know what's really close to Vegas? The Hoover Dam. So they could call it the Vegas Dam. And then that's whenever they fly. I I love it. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

I honestly support it.

SPEAKER_04 47:43

No.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

Because like when people hit a shot, you could be like, I honestly, I honestly support it, but then if they suck, no, and then you imagine the analogies.

SPEAKER_04 47:57

Then if they suck, they suck more than the Hoover Dam. You could be like, damn, they lost again.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Yeah, damn. I I like that idea. I don't know if that'll go.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

Um it makes it makes me it makes me think of National Lampoons Vegas Vacation where cousin Eddie is like sitting there with the family. They're on a tour of Hoover Dam, and the tour guide's like, Don't get off, don't get off the court off course, stay on the damn tour. If you get lost, find the damn tour. And then he's like, Is there any questions before we continue with the damn tour? And cousin Eddie raises his hand and goes, Yeah, where can I get some damn bait?

SPEAKER_03 48:40

Because he's holding a fishing rod. I like that. No, I think that's a good idea. I don't know what the Vegas team, but I fully support the Seattle team going back to Supersonics.

SPEAKER_04 48:50

Oh, that's a given, dude. I give it, I think if they don't do that, I can guarantee you outrage. The Seattle fans who are gonna be fire in the streets in their mind.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

There will be fire in the streets. You don't want to upset them Seattle folks. Sorry, I almost lost my thought. I almost said Portland, but that's a little bit south. Uh Seattle. Yeah, it's in another state. But you also don't want to upset them Portland folks, because they're just like them Seattle folks. Not to No, just keep it weird, Portland. That's their thing. And we have a friend who's a Seattle fan, and we love him, but he's weird like they are.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Anyway, let's uh let's move on into some playoff basketball.

Spurs Thunder Thriller And Knicks Comeback

SPEAKER_04 49:37

Playoffs? We're gonna roll this back. We're gonna roll this back a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 49:40

Roll back the talk to the wrong thumb. So we gotta talk about what happened. You ever seen We're Back? The cartoon? No. No. The dinosaurs. You had no childhood.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

No, I did, but we're not talking about that right now. We're talking about NBA basketball. What else? So let's dial back to fit uh Friday, May 15th, and talk about what happened between the Spurs and the Timberwolves, or what didn't happen for the Timberwolves. Basically, basically here. Look, Spurs just mollywapped them in game six because the Spurs came away with the 139 to 109 victory in this game. And now you might be asking, okay, this is old news, why are we going back to talk about this game? But I want to talk about this game because of what happened with Anthony Edwards. Um so Anthony Edwards out of all the starters was the only one that cracked into the 20s. He had 24 points. For his stat line, for 36 minutes, he had 24 points, two rebounds, two assists, and three steals. So he played well. The rest of the team, Gobert, no points. I wouldn't even give Julius Randall, three points. Uh here you go, Brian. How do you say this name right here?

SPEAKER_03 51:13

Io DeSumu.

SPEAKER_04 51:15

Hold on, hold on. Yeah, no, Desumu. That's right. He had 10 points. So the next the uh let's see, Jaden McDaniels, the rookie, had 13 points. So yeah, largely all the scoring out of the starters came out of Anthony Edwards. And I'm thinking a little frustration came out in this game with him. I think in with the way this went down, yeah. This leads into what happened. What happened in this game? Eight minutes left to go in the game, and Anthony Edwards walks over and starts dapping up the Spurs players, telling them good game, good game, good game. Now, this is probably because he was gonna get pulled and not come back in the game because it was so far out of out of whack for them, they weren't coming back.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

And so at the end of the game.

SPEAKER_04 52:05

At the end of the game, you don't do it with eight minutes left. Yeah, I'm thinking this is a little bit of Anthony Edwards being all up in his feelings, being like, I'm doing my thing.

SPEAKER_03 52:15

These bums around me, they ain't doing theirs. I think that's exactly what it was, and also I don't like that look. I didn't say it was a good look, I just said it was a petty look. Well, I I know I know that. I was just saying, I personally I agree with you, and me personally, I don't like how that looked like to me, you don't do that stuff until the game is over. First of all, eight minutes left in the game, you still have a whole quarter of basketball to play. Okay, you barely just started the fourth quarter, right? Like, why are you telling people good game? You you should still be out there fighting, okay? You should be looking for that miracle.

SPEAKER_04 52:56

Yeah, yeah, probably. But if you're wondering on the Spurs side, basically all the starters had double digits. Castle with 32, though, to lead the way, Stefan Castle with the most points. But Wimbenyama only had had 19 points, but he had three blocks, so, and six rebounds in that game. So he's still he still did some decent numbers, and we got double digits out of everybody.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

I'm waiting until we get a little bit ahead here. We're we'll go ahead and I have a lot to say. I wait until we get to that moment. We will get to the moment. We will get to the moment.

SPEAKER_04 53:33

But speaking about that game a little bit back on Friday. Uh so the Pistons went ahead, did their thing, forced a game seven, got the 115 to 94 victory of the Cavs, sending it back home. Should have a good feeling, right? Should feel good. We're sending this back home. Let's see what we can do. Let's see what happens on Sunday. And you know what happened on Sunday? Pistons didn't show up. Nobody told them. I don't know why they're wearing their away blues at home, but they did. They chose to, and they played like they were away for like they did most of the time in the playoffs, and they lost this game 125 to 94. And I lost my parlays. Damn it, man. Not a great look. I mean, Evan Mobley with his 21 points, 12 rebounds, and six assists in that game, leading the way. Looking pretty strong. Looking great. I mean, Harden just Harden's not looking. He's looks old. He's not playing up to the level that he needs to for this team. He only put up nine points in that game. But he's like a field general. He had this he has tied for the most amount of minutes on the court. But having a down game this game, too, from Cade Cunningham with only 13 points, he played 37 minutes, but only 13 points in the effort. It's not going to be good enough. Not even a pedestrian game, just a down performance. But he did have four rebounds, five assists, and two steals. So he was trying. But just like the whole starting lineup, you only had two of your two of your starters in the starting lineup in double digits.

SPEAKER_03 55:11

That's not a good that is not a Jenkins outscored Cunningham. When that, you know, no, I don't know, man. It's just a pedestrian game. They just did not play well. And uh, I think there's something to be said for the Cavaliers, not just how uh their pace of play, but also their defense.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

Um I mean they were playing great for most of the playoffs. It just did not go well.

SPEAKER_03 55:34

Yeah, I agree. The Pistons just come up short.

SPEAKER_04 55:37

Cavaliers turned it on. So with those victories, we know that the Spurs moved on and the Cavs moved on. And the very first game in the next series for the Western Conference was the Spurs and Thunder, which, oh my god, I hope you watched this game. Or should I say this game that went into double overtime?

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Yeah, this game, this game is scary. And if you watched Wimby, I feel like you really could see uh Wimby in this game.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Uh there's a lot of great other performers here, but the the how physical when Wimby decides to get physical, uh I heard I heard somebody say this, and I I like the I like the way it was said because some of these bigger guys they want to play like they're they're shooting guards and like play like they're you know smaller. So they're not playing to their size, like they're they're playing like a smaller guy, but somebody needs to remind them, bro, you're big.

SPEAKER_03 56:40

Yeah, play big, play like a big guy. And honestly, Wimby does, and I said you Caruso, Caruso, I feel bad, man. Look, Caruso just looks like he does look like the Looney Tune I sent you earlier. What was it? Uh Elmer Flood in the Bas from Space Base.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

But speaking of jams, in this game, we did see Wimby play big when he went for a dunk.

unknown 57:04

Bro.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Did it man, he hit that dunk right in the right in the face of uh dang, Chet Holmgrim.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

Chet Holmgren, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:16

They're they got a little rivalry, they got a little rivalry going on. They do, they do, and Wimby's been Wimby's been winning it as far as that goes, and that's why they had uh dang, old boy, what's his name? Caruso. That's it. Caruso, yeah. I don't know why I blanked I'm horrible with names. Caruso was playing defense against Wimby for most of the game because he's agitating him. And it let's face it, Caruso, wherever he's been, whatever team he's been on, he's played some solid defense. I was gonna say he's played some solid defense, but he can sink some buckets too, man. Yes, and and really, if you go back and look at last year when Oklahoma City won it, it was in large part to some of the things Caruso did to help them, you know, off-the-bench points, you know, good turnovers, timely turnovers, you know, where or not turnovers, but steals, yeah, and you know, just playing good minutes when their starters were off the bench or or you know, on the bench.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 58:10

And Caruso showed up. He had 31 points. And if they would have won this game, they would have in large part credited to Caruso, but they did not win this game.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

Look, they I I gotta give it to OKC because they they could have won this game, and they they were up at one point. They could, they almost did win this game, but they fell behind at a certain point around the middle of the third quarter. Uh absolutely physical game. Right. They didn't even break 100 points until overtime.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

Right.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

So it was low scoring through most of this game.

SPEAKER_04 58:43

Right, because they were getting some they were getting some good defensive plays. And if it wasn't for a crucial three-pointer hit by Wimby from way downtown, which everybody was probably going, oh no, oh yes.

SPEAKER_03 58:54

By the way, that shot from Wimby is a career shot. We're gonna be talking about that for years to come. That was pretty much a half-court.

SPEAKER_04 59:02

Well, it was fuck it. It was reminiscent to to Halliburton's three that he hit against in the uh finals last year. But more so, I want to get back to the point where the Spurs won this game 122 to 115 in double overtime. And in this performance, Victor Wimbo Victor Wimanyama walks away with 41 points, 24 rebounds, three assists, and three blocks and one steal. But the unsung hero, Dylan Harper. Harper. I was gonna say Harper went off all night, bro. The rookie came away with 24 points and had 11 rebounds, six assists, but the big number, seven steals. He is not playing like a rookie, he is doing his dad proud. His dad, Ron Harper, is really being it's really gotta be a proud dad with the performances Sonny's putting up.

SPEAKER_03 59:55

He's gotta be eager about that. And I was watching Harper go off all night. Him and Wimby were just him, they were they were killing it. Not just them with the whole squad. But by the way, Mike, while we're talking briefly about the Spurs, uh, there's if you love watching these people, these guys play, uh, you have many, many years because they are the youngest uh starting lineup of all time in the history of the NBA conference finals. Uh the oldest player being Vassal at 25 years old. Uh Harper's 20 rookie. Castle's 21. I think that's another rookie, any uh Champagne.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:31

No, Castle's not a rookie.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:32

They had they had to they had another rookie out there at some point. But anyway, Champagne 24 and Wimby's 22 himself, which by the way, their average age is almost 23 years, a little over 23 years old.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:48

Fun fact yeah, the Michigan Wolverine's who just won the March Madness tournament, yeah, they are actually collectively older than the Spurs. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, that's not how it normally goes. No, it's not but one thing that you have to notice though, if you look at the numbers, is the Spurs, they played heavy minutes. All of them did. I mean, Vassal with the most playing 51 minutes, but every single starter was over 44 minutes in this game. Now, granted, we did go double overtime, but if you if you look on the other side with OKC, they tried to keep their guys kind of under, except for SGA and Hongren. They kept them out there. And Jalen Williams, you could say that too, but he was looking a little gassed down the down the stretch to try to get him some breaks. But you're just looking for answers at this point. Like they have they have not Oklahoma has not won against the Spurs much this year at all. I think they had only one victory against the Spurs. So if they they keep playing like this, and this was a back and forth game, don't get me wrong, there's a little controversy too. At one point there was a a Caruso going for the ball as it's going out of bounds, and his foot, if you really go back and look at this play, his foot looked like it was down when he threw it at Wimby and they called it out on Wimby because the ball bounced off of him.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:17

Yeah, I remember I I actually I remember this play because uh this was a heads-up play to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

Yeah, but it he looked like his foot had already touched the ground by the time he lets go of the ball. So technically he's out of bounds. And then there was another play with Harper where he was going to the rim and Caruso hits him in the face, and then right after that, SGA hits him in the face. So he got hit in the face twice and got shoved down.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:49

Yeah. So there was there were physical. Yeah, there this was a very physical game. Uh honestly, I I like the physicality, and it's kind of scary uh when you see Wimby getting physical because he was dunking with like three guys hanging on him.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

Oh, and he the the best part about that dunk against Homecron when he dunked it and he grabs the ball and kind of cradles it in one arm, and he's like chirping back. He was looking at everybody on that team, and he's like, I'm here. This is my ball, this is mine. I'm getting my points. Like, I'm loving this side of Wimby now. Like he's getting he's getting tougher and he's getting pissed.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

Yeah, and I like seeing the physical side of him because I think a lot of people don't think he's that physical.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:37

Well, physical basketball is part of the playoffs, and it should be this way.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:41

Yeah, but when you watch him, and it doesn't even look like it takes him much effort, when he lowers his shoulder and just kind of bounces into you, you just knock down, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:50

I'm glad you said lower the shoulder because there was a bonehead play by him where he just kind of ran into Carus, so he kind of lowered his shoulder and just kind of put a shoulder in him. It wasn't a flagrant thing, he just kind of into him on purpose, but they did call it, but it wasn't flagrant.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:05

No, uh, because he didn't have any quote wind up. But he you, if you see the play, he definitely lowered his shoulder and bowled that man.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

I don't necessarily agree with that, but you know, it is what it is. But moving on to Tuesday, May 19th, where we had we had the first game of the series between the Cavs and the Knicks. And if you this really was like a game of two different games. Like at one point, Madison Square Garden was quite as a church. Yep. Like you're literally going, where are the fans? There's no noise coming from the fans. Because they were down. At one point, yeah, it looked like the Cavaliers had this game locked up because at one point they were 20, they were up 22 points with a 99% chance of winning this game in the fourth quarter. Yeah. But the Knicks said, Hold my beer. We got this because they came storming back to tie the game up at the end and take it into overtime and win this game 115 to 104.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:10

And yeah, and thank you, Jalen Brunson, for your 38 points.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:14

Yes. Jalen Brunson coming away with 38 points, six assists, and three steals. Donovan Mitchell putting up 29 points and six steals. But if we go and look at the box score, the box score. We have a little disappointment coming in this situation. That's what she said. Now, we got a little more points out of Harden this time, but he gave us only 15 points in this game, had four rebounds, was not he was so so from the field. He was one of eight from three point land, so that was not great. No, no. More so we started seeing where they were doing a lot of ISO where they were pulling Harden over towards Brunson, and Brunson was eating him up on one on one opportunities and taking him to the hole. That's why. Where a lot of the points for Brunson came later in the game.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:04

But you were you were noticing if you were if you were paying attention in this game that they were marking their comeback. They were basically it was a whole different scenario. It was like the Cavs were playing to just run out the clock, and the Knicks were playing to win the game.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:23

Like they never let off. And it was like the Cavs just kind of backed off, and you know, their coach even said, I'm very proud of the way my players played today.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:32

And it's like, what you lost. Y'all fucking excuse me. Y'all lost. First of all, you never take your foot off the gas pedal. Okay. You don't ever take your foot off the gas pedal. And that's I feel that's what they did. That's exactly what they did. It looked really bad. Let them walk them into overtime and they stole a win. This Cavs should be up right now. I mean, the next the Yeah, the Cavs. Yeah, the Cavs should be up right now. Sorry, I got confused for a second.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:02

No, the Knicks, the Knicks won this game in overtime. Yeah. Because in in overtime, the Cavs just looked like they couldn't even get any offense started. This is after basically controlling the game most of the way.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

That's how blasphemous this comeback was. I had to double check myself for a second there.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:16

So one of the unsung heroes to me was Ananobi, because in the fourth quarter, he largely got most of his points there, but he was he was making some drives to the basket, and you know, they had to pay respect to it, you know, because when he's driving to the basket, if he got into the paint, he was gonna score.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:37

Because he was he was dunking on dudes and he was getting some hard, hard fought rebounds and stuff has kind of been really crucial at the end there. But I mean, all over the like the the the Knicks across the board played some solid, solid defense and solid play down the stretch, which you did not get from the from the Cavaliers, which they gotta change some stuff up because they cannot let Harden get ISO'd. This might come to a point where they might have to say, Harden, catch some pine, you're gonna come out with the second second string. Because or come off the cards.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

I mean, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think Harden's gonna be on the Cavs next year. Probably not, but I I love James Harden as one of my favorite players, but it's just long in the tooth. Well, it it's just he's not the same player.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Times are catching up, you know. This this used to be a guy who would put up, you know, be the leading scorer even in the playoffs, and you know, maybe he'd he wouldn't show so great in the playoffs, but he would at least be putting up, you know, over 20 points, and he hasn't done that. Yeah, you know, he's he's had flashes here and there, but it's just not it's not going well for him. Right, right. It's not been looking great. So you know, they gotta figure that out. They really gotta figure that out. But tonight, tonight, as we say, May 20th, by the time you hear this, yeah. By the time you hear this, they're gonna have the second game between the Spurs and the Thunder. So I'll be watching that one for you. I'll be watching that as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

So I look forward to it. Uh, and plenty more NBA playoff action coming to you. But Mike.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:13

Let's let's move it along and let's talk about uh some college football.

NFL Trouble, Trophy Fails, And Breakout Bets

SPEAKER_04 1:09:18

Now, I I realize college football isn't really going on right now, but this story kind of needs to be mentioned. Uh Clemson has found found out that Brown Schuler, uh Brown Schuler uh is going to miss the next season because he's been diagnosed with uh Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer. So he's gonna miss the entire next season, their defensive tackle, uh, which really sucks. I really hope that he he gets through it okay. Hopefully they caught this soon enough that he can get treatment and be back.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:51

Well, yeah, I know that'll be rough for them, but Clemson historically feels a very strong defensive team. Uh I I think that I hope he comes back and I hope he does well, but I think as a team overall, they'll find a way to hopefully uh maintain their success.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:08

So we'll see. We'll see. I I'm I'm I'm not so much worried about the team as much as I'm worried about you know the player.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:15

Yeah, I'm more worried about the player. I hope I hope he's able to come back and resume his uh career there at Clemson, though. So um shall we slide into some NFL? Yes. First of all, I just want to say real quick, everybody, I have really been rooting for Rasheed Rice. But man, he's he making it hard, Mike. Um, so this is kind of a bone-headed situation. So Rice gets cleared of all his legal drama. The thing with the car wreck gets cleared of that, the domestic stuff gets cleared of that. Oh, not cleared, he settled on some stuff. Well, he's he settled some stuff, but all in all, he gets clear of it and gets it behind him, gets to resume his NFL career. He was on probation for a lot of stuff. Well, this is where I'm going with this next. He was on probation, but uh mind you, the NFL also has uh policy against substance abuse, particularly when it comes to performance-enhancing substances, as well as marijuana. Um she has to do 30 days in jail now because he failed a drug test and violated his probation, which by the way, we don't even know. This is only the tip of the iceberg. We don't even know what other implications are coming because now that you've violated your probation for all of these things that have happened, uh your availability for the season could possibly be in question now.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:41

Yeah, probably more than likely, but he's gonna miss the start of OTAs and uh definitely rookie minicamp and stuff, not that he needed to be there, but mandatory OTAs, he won't be there because he'll be in jail for the next 30 days for testing positive for marijuana, which is this is a probationary situation that is tied to his highway incident in Dallas.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:04

Now it was it was stated that and this is the district attorney is saying saying that Mr. Rice has has been taken into custody today in the 194th Jur jurisdiction.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:20

That used to be my wrestler name, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

For testing positive for THC in order to serve 30 days 30 days uh this is just dumb. Like, why would you okay? I get that people like to smoke weed, not one of those people myself, but oh this is this is the thing like when you know that people are going to be testing you, when you know that you cannot be doing this as part of a situation where you could go to jail or worse and possibly be affecting your livelihood as a NFL player, why would you risk it? I mean, i just go just go have a drink with some friends. Like, don't don't sit here and put yourself in this kind of a situation.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:11

I mean you don't just fail a marijuana test, okay? He was smoking this, he was utilizing marijuana habitually for quite some time to have to fail a test for this, okay? It's not like you did one one day and then he just he just flat out didn't care, didn't think he was gonna get caught. Um I'm not one I'm not trying to kick him while he's down, okay. But this there's a lesson to be learned here, okay. If you need look, walk the straight and narrow for as long as you need to walk it, okay? I'm not saying smoking weed's a bad thing, obviously with moderation, but when you're in a situation like where she wished was is in, sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and do the hard thing, okay, and then go back to having fun when you're clear of the smoke.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:02

Whether it's legal or not, if your employer, this case the NFL, and in even worse cases, the courts tell you not to be doing this and you do it. Yeah, I don't feel sorry for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:15

At the at the end of the day, protect your money, protect your bag, right? And you didn't protect it.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

But this leads me to a phrase when somebody shows you who they are, uh believe them the first time. They're getting shown who Rasheed Rice is. Rasheed. Rasheed. There's no D here, and that's what she said. Anyway, uh believe him because he's showing you who he is.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:41

Yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot going against him. I just I feel bad for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:48

I don't. You put yourself there.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:50

I mean, I don't feel I don't I don't feel bad that he's decision, but I just feel bad because I'm like, you want to believe these people are not what they're showing you to be, but then things just keep happening, right? Um, and this and Henry Ruggs, right? Like, uh, what's his name is close to Henry? Uh Josh Jacobs is very close to Henry Ruggs. Henry Ruggs wants to come back, but I'm like, look, man, you gotta be you gotta make life changes literally in the split of a second. You have to make as smart a decisions as you can when you're in the moment.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:26

So let's let's move past this. I mean, we think we kind of got it.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:31

Yeah, let's move up.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:33

Let's move, but yeah, let's let's talk about uh kind of an embarrassing moment for the NFL. Uh so Brian, do you know who Jackson Smith and Jigba is?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:44

Unfortunately, I do. I traded him away in fantasy football because I'm an idiot.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:48

Nobody cares about that. But you know who he is.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:51

What position does he play? Cornerback. Okay, god damn, he's a receiver, all right? He's the league leading receiver last year. Come on, right now right.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:02

So he also won you know honors because he was voted offensive player of the year. Yeah. But we usually get a trophy for this. But here's here's the bad part the NFL sends him his trophy, it has his name on it, right? But if you look, it says AP defensive player of the year. What?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:32

I didn't stutter. Ironically, ironically, I just said defensive back too as a joke.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:38

Yes. I didn't know that was gonna talk about it. I didn't even know that was coming. But but yes, Jackson Smith and Jigba got his trophy with his name on it, and it says defensive player of the year.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:51

So look, I'm not gonna lie, if I'm JSN, I'm lighting the NFL up right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:57

Oh, it's it's it's all over social media. It's there. I'm lighting you up. How do you screw this up? Who who didn't fact check this? Who is working? Who is working in the office that doesn't check? Hey, we're giving this guy a trophy. Is there no final check?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:14

Is there no final quality check here? Does nobody check wordage? Oh man. Is AI just working unchecked now? We just don't even bother to to double check it anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:28

How does somebody at the NFL not catch this? That's the part it gets me. Like, I get some people don't watch sports, but like if you work for the organization, you should at least know who is what they are. Like, especially if it's one of the best players at the position.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:46

Honestly, they probably contract this out to like even still some independent maker, and they probably were like, and I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:55

You don't fact check it.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

And I I mean, look, I work for a shipyard, we order hard hats. You'd be surprised at the at never mind. That doesn't matter here. I had a good analogy, but we're not gonna go that deep into it, okay? This is just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb this is just dumb. And I agree with Jason. I would be lighting them up right now, bro. Like what? Just face palm.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:22

NFL face palm.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:24

Yeah. Now, moving along here, we're gonna talk about a couple players. First of all, okay, Mike. Let's talk a little bit uh we're gonna talk about a little bit of Bill's offense here, okay? And there's a receiver who everybody, including myself, has hoped would eventually break out. But I have to beg the question, Mike. Um, and you can chime in on our social medias and let us know, uh, everybody. Keon Coleman, okay? He's coming into his third year in 2024. He had 29 receptions, 556 yards for four touchdowns. Not bad for a rookie. 2025, he had 38 receptions, 404 yards for four touchdowns. Now we're starting to look like a depth player, okay? Do you think Coleman is gonna have a breakout year three? Look, if you don't break out by year three as a receiver, it's probably not gonna happen. Very rarely does it happen. So I ask you, Mike, is Keon looking at bust territory or is there still hope?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

Well, he needs to work on his route running because that's one of the biggest problems. He's not getting open because his route running is not up to snuff. Yeah. And for a player that was kind of known to kind of high point balls and have good hand skills, it just hasn't really translated in the NFL. And I think now that you have a clear-cut number one coming over from the Bears will kind of draw a little attention away from him. So maybe he won't be good getting double teams and he might find some easy receptions here. They will a little bit of a distraction.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

I do, I do. I think DJ Moore will be a true number one for them. Uh, they've tried to get some number ones, but they haven't panned out as number ones. And last year, uh Khalil Shakir is more like a WR3 to me. He's really not even WR2. Okay, he's he's like a quick slut guy. Um we'll find out. We'll find out hopefully sooner. Uh so maybe they draw some attention away and we see what happens. But I'm eager to see what happens with Keon Coleman and the rest of that Bill's offense uh this coming season. But speak of somebody who's not lagging for production outside of injuries, uh my beau, scam catabow, cam scataboe. Sorry, I said scam. He's not a scam at all. This is the real deal. Anyway, so last year. My scataboo. So uh last year before his injury, he had 400 yards on 100 carries, which equates to roughly, I did the math here, which equates to roughly around a little over four yards per carry, okay? Now when he comes back, he says he's gonna play 17 plus games. I guess he thinks he's gonna make the playoffs. Uh he said he's gonna run for 300 carries for over 2,000 yards. By the way, the math on that mic is 6.6 yards a carry, give or take some change. We'll see. Um I don't know if he's gonna. I know he's just talking, but this is fun to this is fun to theorize about, okay? Um he had an eye-popping over four yards of carry. He probably could have got a little bit better as his rookie year went on. Oh, I don't think he's gonna run six and a half yards per carry.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:33

Look, there's only been a handful of guys who have broken over 2,000 yards, and he's not one of them. He's not gonna be one of them. Because the guys that come close to it or the guys that have done it, they're not his size, they're bigger.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:50

Well, he's not fast enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:52

They run faster than he does. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

I was like, he's not I don't think he's fast enough to be a 2,000 yard.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:57

Because to be a 2,000 yard rush, is this 2,000 rushing yards or 2,000 scrimmage yards? Because if you say 2,000 scrimmage yards, I could possibly believe that.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:08

I think he's talking about rush yards. We're gonna assume rush yards.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:12

Yeah, he's not doing that. Yeah, so that offensive line is still sorry.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:16

The math was mathing on rush yards because 400 on 100 carries, a little over four to four and a half yards per carry. Uh, if he's talking 300 on 2,000 yards, that's almost seven yards a carry. I think that's really unheard of. I think he hangs in the less than five yards per carry average, maybe four to four to four and a half again. I do think he could break the 1,500 to 2,000 mark one day. I don't think it's gonna be this year, though, Mike. I don't know. He is a tough runner, though. He lacks a little bit of speed.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:51

Uh usually the guys that do that bruising style that he does, it's hard for them to stay healthy. Yeah, and especially when a lot of those guys are bigger than he is. He's smaller, he's an undersized back.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:06

Well, not just that, but those guys are usually feature backs. They're usually at least three down backs. Scatabow splits carries with Tyrone Tracy, although he's uh down one and two guaranteed, he uh rotates third downs, and he's really kind of situational from there sometimes. So I don't think he's even gonna get enough volume to even hit those numbers, you know. But it's fun to talk about and see what it's gonna

Super Bowl Sites And Stadium Talk

SPEAKER_03 1:23:33

be. And by the way, Mike, uh the next four, while we're talking a little bit NFL, we don't have much more on this, but we got they just decided on the next four Super Bowl host cities. Uh and by the way, there's a trend here. All of them have brand new stadiums.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:48

Well, yeah, it's no secret that if you get a new stadium, the NFL will I I I don't want to say usually, but they will give something to you. Yeah whether that's a Super Bowl or they give you an NFL draft.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:04

Who has it this year's Pittsburgh, right? Has what? The draft? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:09

No, the Super Bowl. Pittsburgh doesn't have it. No, they normally go to warm climates.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:15

Yeah. Well, this is 27, but I didn't know if 26 just passed us or if we're looking at 26. I get confused on the timeline. But anyway, the next four coming up, uh 2027 here's Los Angeles. Uh 28, Atlanta. Atlanta's the only one that probably doesn't have a brand new stadium, but their stadium is nice enough. They they're kind of ahead of their time. I mean, SoFi isn't new either.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:36

It's a few seasons under its belt already. No, SoFi is still, in my opinion, with Vegas. The only one that on this list that's brand brand new, and only Nisa say it's brand brand new, is Nashville because they have not built the stadium yet.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:49

Yeah, and the some of the actually all of these stadiums are still new to me, except for like maybe the Mercedes-Benzome, because oh fun fact. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:00

They had an issue because the the stadium roof, it the way that it works is it kind of does like a like an old camera shutter. It opens like a flower. It right. It kind of opens and closes where it kind of rotates in, kind of like if on a shutter on a camera can open or close. Yeah. It does the same thing. But no matter how much they tried to manipulate it or alter it, they couldn't get it to close all the way. So there was still a small opening at the top. And so they fashioned a piece on the top so that Mercedes logo on the very top of the stadium. You can't see it in the picture. No. But on the very top of the stadium was put in there after the fact because they could not get the thing to close fully. I mean, it closes tight enough around the sides, it just leaves a small opening at the very top. So if it rains, it's raining in the stadium.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:55

Yeah, I mean, that could be annoying if you're on the field, but um looking at these stadiums, I like Allegiant Stadium. Uh I also like Los Angeles' new stadium. Yeah, yeah, Vegas Stadium.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:06

Uh or the Death Star as some people call it.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:08

But yeah, yeah, the Death Star. But also, ironically, also like Los Angeles' stadium. But here coming up, I'm eager to see Nashville. A lot of people hate that stadium.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:19

Well, Allegiant? No, in in Los Angeles. Oh. Because you know how most stadiums you can walk the concourse like it's one big circle?

SPEAKER_03 1:26:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:28

You can't do that at Los Angeles. You gotta go up and down, and it's like a giant maze. Like there is no walk all the way around the concourse, like you gotta go up and down. Oh, that's annoying. Yeah, it's super annoying.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:40

It's super I'm I'm eager to see uh Nissan Stadium though when it opens, as well as this year, Buffalo's new stadium. Yeah, we'll see that on game uh their second game of the season, week two. Yeah, and I I can't wait to see the features and stuff. Uh stadium technology is always intriguing to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:57

By the way, from Atlanta and beyond, none of these have been given a date. There is no date for these, and a lot of it basically becomes a situation where they think the reason none of these dates have been set is because of the 18 game schedule. They're trying to do the 18.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:18

And by the way, if that ever becomes a thing, and actually, as we get close to the season, we do have a thing bookmarked for that. We're gonna talk about it later. But real quick, ladies and gentlemen, we're gonna switch over to our interview with Brendan Casey, our good friend. Thank

Brendan Casey On Coaching Little Kids

SPEAKER_03 1:27:31

you for joining us, by the way, uh, Mr. Casey. How are you feeling today? Uh how you think about being here.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:36

I appreciate you guys having me. I'm I'm ecstatic, man. I'm ready to talk about some, you know, some sports with you guys and um um some of the stuff that I'm got going on and what what future holds. And I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm really excited to to be here with you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:52

That's awesome. We're excited to have you here. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:55

You stole the words right out of my mouth, literally. So talk about Like your coaching. Like you coach basketball, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:03

Yep, coach basketball. I coach um the um five and six year olds actually. So uh my son actually plays on my team right now. So he um he's actually gonna be moving up this year, so I'll be coaching seven and eights. And I also think I'm gonna stay at five and six. I got a couple kids that want to still want me to coach them. So I I decided I said, well, if you want me to stay, you know, ask the parents and they were like, yeah, we want you to stay. So I'll come back and I'll coach two teams next year.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:28

So so which is worse, dealing with the parents or dealing with the kids?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:32

The the the kids for sure, man. They they you know, five and six year olds, they don't have an attention span more than 10 seconds. So I'm coaching one kid and I look back and two are hitting each other and I'm like, yep. But but at the same time, man, it it's awesome to watch them, the personalities and how they grow up and and and what you know just to watch them, man. It's it's amazing. It's amazing for sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

I will say, as a father, there's no feeling like coaching your son is there.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:59

No, not at all, man. I mean, he he and then sometimes he'll forget. He'll be like, Dad? And I'm like, no, I'm coach B right now because I don't want, you know, all the other kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:08

I do the same thing. I do the same thing. Yep. Yeah, you don't want all the other kids coming up, hey Dad.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:13

Exactly. So No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna get me beat up in here. Don't call me kid.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:18

He'll say, and then he'll he'll remember, he'll say, Coach B and he'll raise his hand and stuff. I'm like, you ain't gotta raise your hand, but you know, just Coach B. That's it. And um, but yeah, it it's it's amazing to watch him specifically, you know, next to him and watching him grow and seeing how much he's grown. Because this is that was his second year this past year. We just played the second year, and um watching him how far he's come, it's it's it's it's it's it's just incredible watching it from the side, man. I I I love and watching all the other kids do it too. It's it's one of the best films in the world. You can't beat it man, can't beat it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:50

I I agree with you a hundred percent. We're doing me and my son are doing baseball right now, and I I really don't know as much about baseball, but we're both kind of learning together, and uh like that I can relate to you. So I was like, there's just really nothing like it. You know, it's great being a parent, but then you get to be involved in any part of their development, whether it's sports-wise, educationally, life, it's just it's a whole different um perspective, it's a whole different experience.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:16

Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And then and then on the other part, other side of it, sometimes I am a little harder on him, which I gotta I gotta reel back sometimes because you know he's my son, and I'm like, you gotta do that. And I'm like, well, he's just like another player, so I gotta treat him kind of the same as the other ones. I can't be harder on him than I am the other kids. So it it it's a it's a learning experience for me, as well as that, you know, they're all learning how to dribble and and shoot and stuff, but it's a learning experience for me on the on the and you know, you got you got nine kids on the team, and you gotta teach them all, all of them are different spots on the team, so you gotta teach them, you know, some of them can dribble and shoot already, some of them can't. So it's a learning experience for me too.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:54

So uh I got a quick question for you. It's kind of a two for uh what position on the team would you say is the most uh challenging to teach, and what skill is probably do you think is the most challenging for kids to pick up?

SPEAKER_08 1:31:12

I say the the most challenging position is probably the person bringing the ball down to point guard because they have to learn um where to pass it, how to pass it, you know. Um we and with me, um, we started running like a triangle. So they have to be the one to say rotate out there and and and have everybody moving. Um and I think that, you know, as a point guard, you gotta be able to do all of that. So I think that's the hardest position. The hardest thing to teach them is probably keeping their hands up on defense. Because I say hands up, I scream it, and you still look, and one kid's just running around in circles, turning around. Yep, yep, that day, just like that. Running around in a circle, turn in their head. I'm like, but you know, like I said again, they're five and six, so what do you expect from, you know?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:04

But yeah, he's out there with coach boys by mid-game.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:08

Yeah, that that'd be my son, the one in the outfield. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:13

That's it, man. That's it. But yeah, I think I think the defense is probably the hardest thing to teach. But they, you know, as the season goes on and more games they play, I think the more they learn and and and and understood.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:25

So that made me think of uh if you go and listen to Doc River Rivers in like the 90s and then listen to them now, and it's like my God, they got a coach voice. It don't even sound like the same, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:41

It don't even sound the same, don't even sound the same at all.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:43

Yeah, and then I think I think it's good that he don't retire, hopefully retire and don't coach no more, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:49

Yeah, well damn. You're trying to put him out to pasture.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:52

Yeah, yeah, he uh yeah, well, you know. I'm not even oh I get it.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:57

What are you done for me lately? Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_08 1:32:59

That's it, that's it. So yeah, but no, I mean, coaching, I I love it, man. I I actually coached back in uh about 20, I think 2015, right, somewhere around that time, about 10 years ago. I just um I was playing basketball and I was like, you know, I want to coach some of the kids. So I actually coached back then before I even had my son, and then I kind of got away from it and uh, you know, was I had my first marriage and and got it my son, and so I was doing other things, and then once he got old enough and he said he wanted to play basketball, I was like, all right, I'll coach. And and I'll coach him until you know until he gets old enough to where maybe he don't want me coach him no more.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:37

I'm sick of you, Dad. Yeah, that's it. You can't be my coach. That's it, that's it, that's it.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:42

I'm taking my ball and going on. I live in the same house.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:45

Well, unfortunately, inevitably, that moment, that day may or may not come. I mean, he might he might switch off of a team that you're coaching. You might pick up a coaching job and he might be somewhere else. Sure. Um if that comes, how do you think I know it's way far off of super if, but how do you think, you know, you would handle that?

SPEAKER_08 1:34:06

I think it'd be I think it'd be bittersweet. I think that, you know, the older it gets, obviously you're gonna you're gonna have to learn from other people, and and I may not be able to teach you what somebody that's been doing this longer than I have can teach you. So um I think it'll be it'll be sad watching him, you know, not being able to coach no more. But I think it'd also be great to see him learn from somebody else and maybe pick up some things that I haven't taught him, and then also in that same breath, maybe me being not his coach and seeing it from a different coach, something I can take later on if I'm still coaching other other kids coming up.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:44

So no, I I agree. Maybe, like you say, he picks up something that you know, something different, and maybe either you teach that to him or his coach, you pick it up as well. Uh, and maybe vice versa, he shows that coach something that they weren't doing. So I think there's a lot of value in that as long as you're accepting of it. Um, but I don't want to beat on that too hard because that's a super far in the future thing. So that was just like a hypothetical, let's have fun real quick.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:09

That was a good question. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:11

Thank you. Being that you're you're coaching younger kids, but like what advice would you give somebody that's getting into coaching and maybe coaching younger kids? What's some things that you've learned through your experiences that could help somebody that maybe needs to learn how to coach at that age and you know some mistakes they may not want to make.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:34

Yeah, you have you have to be patient. Um, you know, five or six, like I said, they don't have the patience. They they, you know, they don't have the patience, they don't have the attention span. So you have to be patient with them. Um you also have to know when you're coaching little kids what uh you like the buttons you can kind of push, not really per se, like making them angry or anything, but how to make them better. Like there's certain kids that you know that's on the team that you can't push like you could a kid that's more advanced. Like I got I for example, I got one kid on the team who can shoot from 15, 20 feet at at age seven. I know I can push him a little bit more to be better, you know, take him to the side after practice, maybe shoot around, pass him the ball, and and and work with him a little bit more. Whereas somebody who's not really they're out there for because their parents make them be out there and they don't, you know, I mean, and they they don't really wanna learn more. So you still push them to make them better, but I think that you gotta know, you gotta know your kids. You gotta pay attention to what they know, how how they work on the court, like what uh how far they can go. You don't wanna, you just gotta be patient. You don't wanna um like do you just don't wanna be like get angry at kids. Like it's like because I've seen this seen it too many times. Coaching, especially this age, there's there's certain coaches that know they got good kids and they can know they got not so good kids, and they yelling and screaming and and and some of them kids don't feel like they don't react to that. They they don't they won't learn that. And you gotta you gotta work with all of them and you gotta you gotta be you just gotta be open. You gotta be open, you gotta be patient, and you gotta be understanding that the kids are all on they're all on different levels. I think that's I think that's the biggest thing is patience with kids.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:28

Yeah, I would agree with that. Uh, and I think that's a good takeaway. Oh sorry, I was I had a response to that. I lost it. It was a good it was a good response though.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:38

What about dealing because you said there's some kids out there that they're not out there because they want to be out there because the parents are making them be out there. So I'm sure you're dealing with some parent personalities where it's like Alright, you need chill guy, like your kid, he's uh he ain't gonna be drafted by the NBA tomorrow. Like, relax. It's alright.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:58

That that that that's it. That that's exactly what you're saying. Um some of the parents know that that their kids aren't gonna be superstars down the road, but they're happy watching their kids play basketball, and the kids, and those kids get they they get happ, they get happy just you know, watching their parents be happy and smiling down the court running. There are some kids that are better, and their grandfathers or fathers are out there and they're screaming at him like, you need to do this, you need to do that. Well, and I gotta push him back. I'm like, hey, listen, he's five years old. He he's got plenty of time. He's not he's not even matured yet. You gotta let him, you know, make mistakes. You gotta let him have some fun out there. He's gonna he's gonna play around with everybody else, too. He's only five, so I don't expect him to be, you know, this this LeBron James at five years old. Like, you got and so some of them parents, you gotta be like, just hey, let me do this. I know how to get I know you want them to be great and I know that they can be, but also at the same time, let him be a five-year-old. Let him, you know, go out there and just you know, run around with the kids before practice or after practice. Let them, you know, you know, jump on each other and and you know, I'll stop it if it gets crazy, but at the same time, they're five and six, that's what they're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:11

Well, I I think that's also good the being a level-headed coach and also driving home that patience factor. Excuse me, because you're right, a lot of coaches don't have that, a lot of people in general don't have that. So I think especially if you know, no parents ever gonna admit to being an irate parent, but they know who they are. So when you have a personality that's kind of fiery like that, I still feel like there's value in knowing that alright, I'm not in control here, but I know my son's in good hands because this guy's gotta he's sharp, he's got his head on straight, he's not out here yelling like them other coaches about to blow a vein, you know. It just screams that you got it under control to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:58

That's it. And and and you you see it as we're playing teams, man. Um, some of these teams, all they want to do is go out there and win. And at this age at five and six, you can't, it can't, that ain't that's not what it's all about. Um, the first season, the last season, my first season my son played, not this past season, the year before, we were one and seven. But we I I don't care about our record. I don't I tell them it's not about the record, it's about you learning the game of basketball the right way, learning how to play defense the right way, learning basketball concepts the right way. We'll win games once you learn the game of basketball. You see too many coaches out there, all they're about is winning the championship for the rec. But it's a rec league and you're five and six years old. What are you really winning if you're not teaching these kids the right way? So my thing is to make sure all the kids are learning the game of basketball and how it how it pertains to life and and taking that to the next level if you want to go there, or just taking it in your life.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:56

I feel like the guys that act like that as a coach, those are the guys that don't have much going on in their lives. Like they they need that championship for the five and six-year-old rec league. Bro, get alike.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:09

100% or or maybe they maybe they fell out of it and they regret it, you know. But like I can say at this point in my life, you know, there are things that I would have loved to have accomplished and obtained. Of course. But I'm okay sitting back now and helping other people obtain that because now I know things they don't know, right? But there's no sense you know, staying stuck on that. You know, I know it's possible they probably don't have anything else going on in their life, and that is, you know, the golden globe award to them, but you know, I win this championship is everything. I also I also feel like there are people and coaches out there that um regret the time they had, and they just want people in front, they want their kids to be better.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:00

Absolutely. I I I can I can I can agree with that. And and then you look back and you're like, man, I I should have done this whole whole thing different, especially once because I feel like if you're coaching these kids the wrong way at five and six, the older they get, like they're not when they get to certain coaches, they're not gonna respect that coach because it's like, well, I haven't learned this way the whole time. Why now all of a sudden I'm trying to learn that way? And it's not it's not fair to the kids and it's not fair to that coach as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:28

It's gonna show that's that's exactly what's kind of happening now with in college ranks. You know, guys are getting there, and if they're not getting paid and they're not getting the play in time, they're just like, well, screw trying to earn a spot, I'm going elsewhere. So it's like there's no more of this, like go through the hard work because you're gonna get to get to play for this coach, and this coach is gonna bring the best out of you, they just move on to another school, and it's like congratulations, you left you left a top-tier college to go play D1.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:02

Like, come on, like you you're gonna go play lesser ball just to get away and be a starter, like and what you said earlier pushing these kids right in the right way. You know, some coaches teach the wrong way, as you were just talking about, and that definitely shows later in their development. But I feel like good coaches also push their athletes as well, like as you were talking about earlier.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:27

Um, yeah, I mean you you you you have to yeah I like back with the college thing, I that and that's I don't really agree with like the the moving around and stuff. I feel like you should be at a school for a few years, you know, learn from your coaches. Um, I I don't agree with the one and done's and all of that. I don't like that. Um, because what are you really learning? You know, you go in there for a year, like you say, you make money and then you're gone. You're not really learning anything. I I like I like back in the day when you were staying a couple years, you're learning, you're actually staying on the team. The transform portal wasn't all over the place and and and staying out for that money. Yeah, now that the money's back, you know, but yeah, but again, you need to you need to you have to coach them the right way in order for them to develop down the road, not only in basketball, but in life, you have to coach them the proper way, or you're just I mean, you're wasting this kid's time, and it's not fair to the kids because they don't know any better at this age.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:20

Well, and I think one thing they're really missing by not staying and sticking with A College, you're missing that connection and experience. So, like a lot of these players, you know, when they played say four years at UNC, if they have an alumni night, guess what? They're calling you up saying, Hey, you want to come back and participate in alumni night? And you're walking in there and you're shaking hands with other, you know, significant alumni, not just in basketball, just in general. So, like you make all these connections, and then those connections can lead to things in the future, you know. Yep. So, like you're kind of missing on a chance to broaden yourself.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:58

100%. And and then you go back to alumni night, and uh people are like, Who the hell is this? Like, I don't remember this guy, you know. But if you're staying four years and you do it the right way and you've been taught the right way, then people are gonna be so appreciative of you when you come back in that building and you'll hear that stand innovation, you'll get all the handshakes and the and the and the accolades and stuff like that. So I I 100% agree.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:18

I think you should stay at least, you know, up to three and four years, but and I agree, I think there's something to be said for relationships and rapport with people for the length of time that you play with them. It's almost like working with people a little bit, right? But you always form a brotherhood uh, you know, with some of these people. So I feel like if you hop schools quite frequently, you still probably form relationships, but I feel like they may not be quite as deep uh or quite as strong.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:48

Yeah, and and and if you I mean you can be a perfect example of what you're talking about with the with the brotherhood and stuff like that, the 30 for 30 on um survive in advance with NC State. I mean, them guys, you know, a lot of them guys stayed and played for Jim Valvano for what three, four years, and they they didn't know they they didn't know if they would ever win a championship, but he had them believe in it, and they stayed and stayed and never moved. I mean, I don't know how much you could move back then, but they stayed and look what happened. They were the Cinderella team, beat um Hu uh was it Houston, Five Flame Jamma, and won a championship 1984.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:19

So five slamajamma. Wasn't that uh UNLV? No, that was Rebels.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:25

That was Houston. Was that Houston?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:27

Yeah, with Clyde Drexler and and Oh, yeah, Clyde and those guys, yeah. I have to look it up, I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_08 1:46:34

I um but you gotta you gotta it's gotta be a brotherhood, man. If you stay around, it like you say, you you make memories and you remember those the rest of your life, and and it's it's awesome, man. It's a good feeling.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:46

So now sorry, Mike, did you have something? No. Oh, sorry, I thought you were about to say something. Anyway, uh so we'll shift gears

NBA Fandom, Worst Trades, And Who Advances

SPEAKER_03 1:46:54

a little bit here. So you're coaching basketball, um, but you grew up, I know you grew up in soccer a little bit. What was that your main sport? Did you grow up in basketball as well?

SPEAKER_08 1:47:04

Actually, I I didn't I didn't play soccer that much, man. I I I ran I ran cross-country track and and and I played a little bit of tennis in high school, but I don't know why I want you.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:14

I just want you to play soccer so bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just I just feel like we are football guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:20

I think you're just thinking of World Cup team.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:22

I'm probably thinking of a whole different person. I don't know. World Cup right around the corner. I'm a USA, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:47:28

But um nah I grew up in uh uh track cross-country. I played football in middle school, um, cornerback, didn't start, you know. Um I tried out for the basketball team, didn't make it. You know, me being only 5'7, it's hard to make a basketball team. You got guys out there 6'1, 6'3, 6'6.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:44

Oh, I know. I I tried out in middle school and we learned fast. That wasn't gonna work out. Then I went into wrestling and we had much more success.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:52

Hey, they accept all shapes and sizes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. Wrestling, wrestling will take wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:58

It'll take anybody. They're like the army. Anybody, you're right. You ain't even gotta be smart. Just come on over.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:04

That's it. You can look at wrestling right now from Oba Femi to Ray Mysterio, we're all in there. But um, yeah, I um I I just I I I enjoy football when I was younger. I played rec football, rec basketball, um, and you know, played middle school football. And when I got out of middle school, um ran track. I I I like running.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:21

I do remember the track. Yeah, yeah. Memories are coming back now.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:25

There you go. I I love I love running. Um I ran when I was little, and then so when I got to uh high school, I ran cross country and I enjoyed it. First year, freshman year wasn't that good. I didn't know what to expect. Um played and then that time I played tennis too. And then um uh sophomore year played a little bit of tennis, but then took over cross country and track took over, and um I focused all my energy on that and um all beach district from software and high school.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:51

I cannot tell you how much I hate running. I don't even want to run to the bathroom, okay? But we do it all the damn time, and it's hella good for you.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:59

Yeah, man, it is. And and them and them kids were them guys were fast, man. Them kids were fast back then, and uh, you know, I I bro I thought our heavyweight should have ran track.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:09

He ran the mile in what was it? He ran the mile in four flat with our lightweight guys. This was a big guy. And this was our freshman year, but we had two senior, well, we had a senior and a junior, both ran the mile four flat. That's a minute a lap. That's ridiculous. And our heavyweight was right behind them on their tail.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:31

Man, I ran a my fastest mile was four minutes and 44 seconds at the track meet, and I didn't even win. Got one 438. And I'm I'm like about to die, you know, one minute, 11 seconds of the mile thinking I'm doing something. I still don't win the race. I'm like, the mile is not for me. I'm gonna go to the two mile and I'll stick, I'll stay there. So, you know, I think long game. Yeah, long game. I think I think after that that that humbled me, and I was like, I'm gonna go back to the two mile where I belong.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:57

So yeah, yeah, it's short bursts for all them shit. Shorts, all them short sprinters, it's just burst. They can't run much farther. Hey, listen, y'all.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:05

Don't put me on no track with no sprinters because I am not a sprinter. I am not a sprinter. They tried me in a four by four, did not work out. I I just I can't sprint. I mean, uh keep me in long distance. I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:18

And now coming into the future, I know you said you coached a little bit back in 2015 as well. Um, and given your history in basketball, I know how did you I know you were alluded to it a little bit earlier when we're talking to you, but how did you get into coaching basketball? What made you be like, all right, I'm gonna go do this?

SPEAKER_08 1:50:40

I think that I because back then I was still playing as an adult. We had adult leagues and stuff like that. And I played then and I was I was the guard, point guard, and I just kind of like being able to control like like you know how the game's going, how the game was flowing and everything. And I'm like, well, you know, they listen to me out here as an adult. They got my res you know, I w they respect me because I know what I'm doing and and where to pass the ball and stuff like that. So I'm like, well, why don't I just take this over to the kids and have them, you know, try to start teaching them so they can learn as they get older and you know, makes maybe make something out of it. So it's just it's just from I think just from playing basketball and and watching a lot of basketball, not necessarily my team, but watching basketball in general and and and and playing, I think I was just like, well, let me get into coaching, and it just just kind of took off from there.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:36

So so wait, you said your team, who's your your team?

SPEAKER_05 1:51:42

We really gotta do this. Yes, we do. Like we really gotta do it. Listen, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:45

Hey, I'm a commander fancer. We do this every week. We don't have to do this. I do this every week with this man.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:50

Duke Duke's my team. We know what happened this year, and it was painful. You know, I'm watching with my buddy. We got a 19-point lead, and he goes, We can't stop, we can't slow down. And we slowed down, and we know what happened in the last 10 seconds, and that was brutal.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:06

I know, I know that hurt because Duke had a lot of hype coming into that tournament.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:11

This was our national championship this year. Man, you see who won Michigan. We already beat Michigan. So it was like we we we had it. I mean, we had it. We we had it. We that we caravan was the main person we were I was worried about. He had no points in the first half. I was like, yo, if we keep stopping Caraban, we can let I forgot what the big guy's name was for um Yukon, but he was going off. And I was cool with that because Caraban was the other 20-point per game score. He wasn't doing anything. And so the second half, they started hitting a couple threes, and the the the kid, I don't remember his name, man. I don't even want to remember his name. He made that the only three he made the whole game from 40 feet, and I just it man, my heart broke, man. But the thing about it is that I've been telling people Shire can win a lot of games, and that's fine. But if he does not get us, if he keeps doing what he's doing, because it's the second year in a row now. Remember, the year before we ran LEAD and we had a 20-point lead, and he couldn't get he couldn't get the guy who was a I forget who it was, couldn't inbound the ball. He kept trying to get the same guy, and I'm screaming at the TV, you gotta get a new inbound. We couldn't get the ball inbounded. Whoever it was, I think it was I can't remember who we played. They came back and won. I took a 30-minute walk around my neighborhood and threw my stuff outside in the track. I was upset. So then this year, going into it, I'm like, sorry. Yeah, going into it this year, I'm like, this is our year. Watching us play, we lost two games at that point by what five points total? So I'm like, dude, this is our year. And the first game was rough. Um uh, who do we play? I don't remember 16th seed, but we we were on the ropes then, kind of picked up against St. John's and stuff, and then we get the Yukon, and well, the rest is history, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:52

Yeah. Well, getting away from college, what about professional?

SPEAKER_08 1:53:58

Why are you doing this to me, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:54:01

He thinks we've ambushed him now.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:04

It's the Sacramento Kings. And before you say anything, I already know we got a 30-year mortgage in Cancun, man. Hopefully, hopefully, we're on the end of that 30-year mortgage and we finally can get in the playoffs or do something. But we ain't been right since the Chris Weber pager stereotyphy days, man. I mean, let's be real. We we we've had so much talent come through Sacramento. I can name the people.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:29

And we don't trade them.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:31

We trade them. Like, what do we do when we traded the Marcus Cousins, Boogie Cousins for a bag of chips, man? I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:39

I mean, did you really lose? I mean, like, he really didn't do much once he left.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:43

He didn't, but I love, I love Boogie Cousins. I love, I love, like, he was all about the community. He he he was a big like deal in Sacramento, and I that that hurt because I was like, man, we're not we're we can't just keep Boogie. We're never gonna be right. I mean, we had Isaiah Thomas, we had Tyreek Evans, DeMarcus Cousins, we've had Marvin Bagley Jr. We've had, I mean, we've had a tyr Tyrese Halliburton. We had Tyrese Halliburton. Woo.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:11

Yeah, yeah, well, yeah, they did not not to mention uh a certain guy on the Spurs that was on your team.

SPEAKER_08 1:55:17

De Aaron Fox, who's going off right now and might win a championship this year. I gotta watch I love De'Aaron Fox though, but he was better in the Sacramento Kings uniform, but that that front office is horrible, man. Until until we get that right, it's just, I mean, Doug Christie's like in over his head, and I mean it's not his fault. It's it's that we we get rid of Mike Brown. Like, what are we doing, man? Look at Mike Brown now. Look what the Knicks are doing. I mean, they're stomping everybody. So, like, obviously, it's not Mike Brown, it's the Kings.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:47

So Well, I'm a Bulls fan, so I know dysfunction. Yeah, yeah, but we've been dysfunctional for a while. Wow, yeah, man. Not since you know the first two years of Rose. Yeah, yeah. Beyond that, we've just been scratched over a decade.

SPEAKER_08 1:56:04

Yeah, we gotta get we gotta get front office, man. If we can get that right, I think we might be on to something. But I mean, you gotta think. We got Russell Westbrook, but he's what almost 40 now. So we we gotta we gotta draft right when we when we come up, when the draft comes up, and um we gotta we just gotta get we gotta get a front office that knows what to do. I just don't think the front office knows what to do. I think Vladi Divak was there or something, might still be there, but I I don't know, man. It's it it's it's it's it's painful. I don't even by the time when the season starts in October, I'm usually done with the Kings by November.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:45

So if if your team gets the number one pick because they're having a fair shot at it, uh who would you like to see them draft number one overall?

SPEAKER_08 1:56:56

We had gotten no I would have liked I mean, me being biased, I would like Cam Boozer, but you know, uh I mean at the same time we already got Keegan Bradley, we got DeMar DeMonta Sabonis, like, so we got the big man. So do we really need him? So AJ DeBonsa? I mean, from I was gonna say DeBonza's probably doing I don't want the kid from Kansas because we watched him and he didn't, you know, he he was like taking himself out of the game and stuff like that, but uh the Bonsa or the kid from um uh Arkansas was uh Acuff, I think his name was Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Acuff, man. I mean, those two would be the first on my list. Um, Cam Boozer, but that again, we would have to probably trade Sabonis or something to keep him to me big men. We don't that that that's the other problem, man. One point we drafted like Marvin Bagley and uh uh what was the other guy's name? Um I can't even remember, man. But we drafted two big men and I'm like, what are we doing, man? It it is just I I don't I don't know, man. We made the playoffs, what, a year or two ago, and we got beaten seven by the Warriors, and I don't see another playoff in our future for prior 15-20 years, but it's no different in Bulls country either.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:12

So guess we're in the same boat, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:14

Yes, we are so same boat, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:18

Misery loves company. They literally fire the front office for the Bulls and say the next people have to be in love with our coach, and then our coach leaves.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:26

Yeah, coach leaves.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:28

The hell did it did y'all did y'all have y'all have a coach yet? Or what no?

SPEAKER_05 1:58:33

No, nobody wants that mess. Yeah, you're right. I mean, but and then we got two picks in the first round, but nobody wants nobody wants that mess.

SPEAKER_08 1:58:43

But I don't I don't know if I like that because Vusevic didn't even play that much in that series, so it's kind of like Kobe White, we gave him away for nothing to Kobe White to uh the Hornets. He was balling, so it's like what like yeah, we got two dysfunctional orders.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:55

Vucevic was my was my favorite player on the team, and they let him go, and I'm like, Yeah, what are we really what are we doing?

SPEAKER_08 1:59:03

I love Vucevic, man. I like I like his game. He because he he's a big he's a big guy and he can play in the post well, but he can also, if you put him outside the three, he can shoot the three, but he knows he's smart enough, no, he doesn't always, you know, he he's just a spot. That's it that's it. He picks his spot. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:17

So but he also he also can get the passing game going because he'll he'll draw multiple people and kick it out, and then that guy can hit a three.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:30

That's why I think if we can get a guard, a young guard in there like we had with Darren Fox and the Bonza.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:36

The Bonza, yeah, and with Sabonis, that might work, but I don't think like he's he's a can't miss. I I don't I don't think you can miss if you draft it. Nah, you can't. I feel like that's a yeah, we can hold on to that for a while. He'll be good.

SPEAKER_08 1:59:49

For sure. Well, you never Sacramento, man. We who knows, man. I I I've given up on him, man. I like I said, as soon as October comes, and I'm like, yeah, let's go Kings by probably the middle of November on my birthday. I'm like, yeah, well, next year, maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:05

Yeah, like same old bums. Yeah, hey, regardless of their name, as a Washington fan, I can feel this. I feel this every year. Washington Wizards? No. No, I jumped the NFL. I'm sorry. He doesn't. I guess I should have clarified that Redskins Commanders, whatever we're gonna call them now. I don't know. Basketball team? Basketball team. I grew up a Bulls fan, but I also kind of like Charlotte. But I also I spent some time in Houston and became a big Rockets fan. So I say they're probably my big three teams, but I really kind of I really kind of paid one.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:37

Yeah, no, man, you're like five teams in here.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:40

All right, I'm gonna pick Houston.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:41

Okay. All right, yeah. They got a lot of good, they got young little young talent. KD.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:45

My guy KD's there. I gotta follow, I gotta follow KD where he's at.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:48

I love KD, man. I love his game. He he he's a sniper, man. That dude can't miss.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:52

I mean, unfortunately, he's gotta get off of the social media and stuff. Creating burner accounts.

SPEAKER_08 2:00:58

That's social media, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:59

Gripping his teammates. Like, no wonder that everything dissolved.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:03

Man, keep that. Yeah, keep keep that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:05

He's gonna be somewhere else next year. I don't think Houston. I think they're gonna be like, Yeah, about that. You know, everybody else in the locker room, they don't like you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:16

And I I thought that was such a good situation.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:19

Yeah, me too. With all the young talent, too. And yeah, I I I and with uh Doka, he's a great coach.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:26

Yeah, they were missing their point guard all year. Yeah, that's true. And if it wasn't, if if it wasn't for that fact, they would have probably done a lot better. Yeah because he was kind of the one they needed.

SPEAKER_09 2:01:36

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:37

Because they really didn't have anybody facilitating. So we're using Ahmed Thompson to be the facilitator, and he's not much of a facilitator. He's more of a one cut and go kind of guy and get to the rim. Yep.

SPEAKER_08 2:01:49

Was it uh Van Fleet? Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, he was out right former Toronto. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He won't won the championship with him. Yeah, but Kawhi that yeah, yeah. Kawhi with that bounce, with that crazy bounce. Yeah, and never forget that. You see Joel MB on down low looking, and everybody's watching, and it goes in, man. That was I still don't think Kawhi should have left Toronto, but that's you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:11

Hey, at least he played this year. We didn't have to question it. Yeah, you're right. But you know, he wasn't getting those backdoor deals where he his sponsorships he didn't have to show up for.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:21

That's crazy, man. That's crazy in itself. But um, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:26

I need that kid.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:27

Yeah, right? Like, no, don't play for three games and make 28 million. Like, oh yeah, sign me up, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:33

But yeah, yeah, you just got a sponsorship, but you don't have to make any appearances, you don't have to sign any autographs, you don't really have to do anything. Just sign in the bottom the bottom of this line, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:02:46

He's a great player, but also when he's playing, he don't play a bunch. So, at least like you said, at least he played this year.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:54

He was good this year. He was, he was great this year. Quietly good. Yeah, yeah, he was. Probably because most people are going, man, he ain't playing.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:01

Yeah. And then they look at the sat line, it's like That's it.

SPEAKER_05 2:03:04

That's it. Why played?

SPEAKER_08 2:03:05

Yeah, right. And then, you know, he had over 20 points. And then who else do they got? Who else do they got in LA on the Clippers? So it's like, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:14

But I mean, they've had talent, but they trade away their talent.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:17

They had Paul George, they had um uh SGA. SGA. SGA, they did.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:22

They traded him away for for who? Paul George. They did. Yeah, now Paul George was the 76ers. It is the one trade that that the Sixers, or not the Sixers, the Clippers are just like, why did we do that?

SPEAKER_08 2:03:39

Question for y'all. What do y'all think the worst trade NBA ever was?

SPEAKER_03 2:03:42

Oh, I'm gonna abstain because I don't have a deep enough knowledge of this, but I'm gonna let Mike take it.

SPEAKER_08 2:03:51

I have my I have my pick.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:53

Well, what is your pick?

SPEAKER_08 2:03:54

The Kobe Bryant trade. Remember? He was he actually got drafted by Charlotte.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:57

Yeah, and he got trade. He got traded, uh he got traded from Lottie D box, but that trade only happened because Kobe made a stink and didn't want to be there. That's true and really what it was, Jerry West picked up the phone and called them and was like, Hey, we want that guy. How about you send him over here? And so it's not the first time Jerry West has done stuff like that. He's the guy like when when he was wheeling and dealing, if he called you, he was picking your pockets. You should have never answered. No, you should have because he did the same thing in Boston. That's how they got the big three. That's true. He did the same thing, that's true. Picking people's pockets.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:37

That's true. Yeah, that that that one was bad because uh looking back, Charlotte's probably like, what did we do?

SPEAKER_03 2:04:45

Could have been a whole different franchise.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:47

A whole different franchise. I mean, uh not to say Kobe would have stayed there his whole time, but probably not.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:52

But I mean, he moved he's moved around quite a bit now at this point.

SPEAKER_08 2:04:55

Yeah. But now looking back at it, you know, he's got five championships, and Charlotte has how many? Zero.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:04

Hey, but they've had they've had some squads in the years. And right now they got one. They have. They do. They do. I was kind of partial to the to the squad they had back in the 90s when they had Larry Johnson, Alonzo Morning, Bugsy, Muggsy Bobs. Yep, yep. Yeah, and Steph Curry's dad.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:22

Dale Curry. Dale Curry. And he was the outside sharpshooter. You're right, you're right. That was that was a that was a really fun team to watch. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:05:29

And they made the playoffs quite a bit in the 90s. But I I I think right now, I think right now they're they're on the right track. Um, they got ball, Alonzo Ball. Um, they got uh they got my keep my man um I'm gonna draw on the break, not Cooper Flag. Um Conkinaple. They got Concordia. Yeah, Conkin Neppel. You know, so they they they they're on the right track, man. I think that, you know, a couple years they'll be they'll be one of the teams that compete for a championship.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:54

So yeah, yeah, I think some people were looking at them a little funny the last couple years, but they seem to be rounding out now what their plan, what they were, or maybe they didn't have a plan. I don't know, maybe they've just been winging it.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:06

If they could just get bald to make a normal looking shot, it'd be nice.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:11

You know, he's like one leg and throws it up. It's like, what the hell was that? That's it. He made it, but what the hell was that?

SPEAKER_04 2:06:21

So no style points, but you made it.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:25

That's it.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:26

So um while we're in turn in bracket season, who are you looking to make the finals?

SPEAKER_08 2:06:34

Right now, I mean, if you look at it right now, let me look at OKC, man. I mean, they they beat down the Lakers. Granted, Luca wasn't there, and I told somebody before the support I season started. I said, no Luca, you're not gonna win a game because you have to have all hands on deck against OKC. I mean, they're loaded, they're deep. And on top of that, getting off subject a little bit, do have you see how many draft picks they got for the next few years? Like, they they're loaded.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:56

I mean, yeah, they're they like might historically be loaded.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:00

And so I I I got the answer for your question, and um it it's not being a homer because I do think this is like one of the worst trades ever. When when Scottie Pippen was traded to the Bulls, because he was originally drafted by Portland and they traded him.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:20

Does anybody remember who Scotty was traded for?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:24

No, don't look at me. That's my point. You can't even name the guy he was traded for. At least we can name who Kobe was traded for. Who was he traded for? Nobody. Nobody.

SPEAKER_05 2:07:36

Oh my god, that's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:38

So that has to be one of the worst. And then to me, uh, the other one. Uh oh dang. Um dang. Again, the Lakers picking pockets. They they got uh oh dang it. Why am I forgetting his name? He was playing for the Milwaukee Bucks back in the 80s, and they traded and took him away from the Milwaukee Bucks. Oh, um Kareem.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:05

Yes, Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:07

I don't know why I was blanking on that, but like he just wanted out. He's like, I'm done, I'm out. Get me out of here.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:13

And they were loaded back then. They had Magic, Kareem, yeah. What, James Worthy, I think, too? Yeah, they had a squad back then, too. Lakers, man. Lakers are always good. I mean, like you said, I mean J.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:24

Well towards the end of Kobe's running so good. Yeah, it wasn't so good then. But I mean, really, people are going because Kobe was on the team. Yeah, true. They didn't care about the rest of the bums.

SPEAKER_08 2:08:35

Yeah, you gotta, you know, yeah, you got a point. Um, but yeah, I I I like I said, OKC, I think, is gonna make it. Um we'll see, because San Antonio's uh my and Wemby's a beast. So um if he can stay on the court, if he can stay on the court. I think he should have been off the court for the past game, but you know, that's just me.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:54

Oh, who was who is old boy that got drafted, drafted by Portland, big man, that everybody's like, oh, he's gonna be monster, but his knees, there you go, Greg Odom. Yep. Like that dude, everybody's like, man, he's gonna be the best, he's gonna be a star. And he didn't do nothing. Portland because his knees just like went.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:14

With Portland, man, they've had some bad luck. Because you remember when when in that draft, they drafted um the big guy back then, Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:22

And that was probably the worst mistake they ever made.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:25

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:26

Um, they drafted Greg Odin, he had bad knees. They had drafted Brandon Roy, who was a beast, and then his knees went out.

SPEAKER_05 2:09:32

Drexler.

SPEAKER_08 2:09:32

Dra Clyde Drexler, yeah. They did have him. But they they should have they could have they should have also won a championship when Scottie Pippen went back to Portland, he went to Portland when they had Rasheed Wallace and them guys, because yeah, they were they were beating the Lakers that series. Yes, they were. And the Lakers can't they just kind of collapsed. Yep, collapsed, and they just won't write every single day. Everybody got arrested and and it just fell apart for them. But they've had bad luck with with the people that they've drafted. Not the Sambuey one was to their fault, but like I wouldn't say Damian Lillard was a bad uh epic. And on day I that's what that's probably my favorite basketball player right now, Damian Lillard. Man, he's just so calm and just like even kill all the like he's just a good dude.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:17

He's just you see him and he he You also gotta love the fact that he's like, I'm playing here. Yeah, y'all want to win? Come here. Yeah, I'm not leaving. That's it. They basically had to force him to go to the go to the Bucks, man. He didn't even want to be there.

SPEAKER_08 2:10:31

I didn't like him there, but I didn't either. He's so he's just he loves Portland, he's so loyal, and people like get on him about it. And I'm like, man, I love loyalty sometimes. You know, not like he said, it's not all about championship. I mean, yes, you want to go to the NBA to get a championship, obviously. But want to win.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:48

But yeah, but think about the fact that now when they talk about best players for Portland, he's always gonna be mentioned. Yeah, they're always gonna say Damon Lillard. Damon Lillard, yep. You know, he'll be one of those names. Uh, you can't say that going to a team like the Lakers because it's gonna be like like how many other players are gonna get mentioned before they get to your name.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:07

You got Kobe, LeBron, you got Magic, you got Koleam. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:12

Yeah, so you're you get lost in the mix there. But yeah, you know, if you're the guy in a small city, they're always gonna know who you are.

SPEAKER_08 2:11:21

Yep, yep. So, um, yeah, so OKC, I think, and then I would say the Knicks, man, the Knicks are playing really good ball ever since the game against I mean when that first you know few games against Atlanta, they were struggling, but then they I mean they tore Atlanta up to one game, they were up 60 to 19. They turned it on. Yeah, and they they they ain't looked back since.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:40

So, you know, yeah I mean I like the Pistons myself. I agree with OKC. That's a good pick. Yeah. I was honestly hoping for the Rockets to make a deep run. Yeah. Once they got matched up with LA, I was like, uh never mind. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:52

The Spurs did beat OKC a few times every time in the record this year. So they're hoping. That they're not going to be the team that shows up in the next round there. Hopey, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:05

The problem with Minnesota is that Rudy Gobert is he's great on defense, but he's a liability on offense. He doesn't score a lot of points, and he doesn't have any other. I mean, he's a he's more because he's more of a traditional that's where I was about to go. And in this day and age, in this game, you can't be that. I don't think. I mean, who how many do we have now that's like that that that it actually is working out? It's none. I mean, Jokic can shoot the three, Wimby can shoot the three. Um, you gotta be able to stretch the floor. Yeah, you gotta be able to stretch the floor. You're right.

SPEAKER_04 2:12:38

And they're not gonna respect go bear up on the ridge. They're gonna be like, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. You can shoot it.

SPEAKER_08 2:12:45

We'll wait right here. Just go ahead. And so I think that that that's a liability for Minnesota. And I also think that the way Julius Randle's playing this series is not good. I mean, he's got like he's averaging like 12 points per game, and you're a 20-point per game person. You can't do that. Not against not against the Spurs. And so, and on the other side of that, Dylan Harper, man, he's he's balling right now.

SPEAKER_09 2:13:05

He ain't playing like a rookie. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:07

Not at all.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:08

And you know, he probably learned some stuff from his daddy.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:11

His daddy, Ron Harper, yeah. So, yeah, they they're I I like I like the Spurs, and like you say, I mean, they beat OKC throughout the regular season, so we'll see. And um, but we'll see what happens. I I like I said I like I like I like OKC and I like the Knicks, I think.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:28

I think it's a good pick. I like I'm thinking Spurs and Knicks. Yeah, yeah, I like I like at least that's what the NBA is hoping for. Anything, any anybody from the west side and the Knicks on the east side, they don't want to Detroit. They don't want Detroit in there.

SPEAKER_08 2:13:44

Nah, the Knicks don't even want to play Detroit. I think that that's the one team they're worried about is Detroit because Detroit, that's all they want. They want the Knicks bad. They want to beat the Knicks so bad, man, especially after last year. So I don't know. We'll see. We'll see what happens. So Knicks, I think uh Detroit got a game tonight, so we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:01

Yeah, we'll be watching that. Bickerstaff is already complaining about not getting calls. Yeah. His team not getting to the line. So we'll see if they get more calls tonight.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:10

I think they were lucky to get out of well, not lucky. I think Orlando should have. They should have won that series. They had it, they had it, and they also had it in the bag in the in the game six. They were up 20 points.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:21

It's history repeating itself. They had this same matchup, same scenario. Tracy McGrady ran his mouth, and then Detroit came back and beat him. Right. Oh, so it's like you're right.

SPEAKER_08 2:14:33

It's like, dang, y'all didn't learn the first time, close it out. And I knew when they when that happened in game six, I said, there's no way Orlando's going back to Detroit and beating him game seven. There's not a way, there's no way. Like, you're already mentally gone from what just happened. There's no way. And we saw it. I mean, 20-point beat.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:50

You know, the Bulls uh front office, they wanted Tracy McGrady to come play for the Bulls, and it almost happened. But the deal was gonna be trading Pippen for Tracy McGrady, and Jordan said nope.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:05

I think it's too close to him, Grady and Jordan being too much of the same player. I don't think Jordan would have liked that. But who knows? I mean, who knows what would happen? I think what if what if Penny and Shaq would have stayed together? I mean, championships would land.

SPEAKER_04 2:15:19

Yeah, I wanted to see that stay together, even though it was at the detriment of the East. Yeah, you know, yeah. I'm just saying, like, those two together was awesome. Yeah, I loved watching it. Yeah, and then you had Anderson over there too, shoot shooting the three.

SPEAKER_09 2:15:32

Yep, yep. Like he was clutch.

SPEAKER_08 2:15:35

It was it it's sad to see, like, let's see Shaq went. I mean, he obviously won a lot of championships with LA, but what what would happen? What would the NBA have turned into if Shaq would actually stay with Orlando? You know what I mean? With Kobe and went to they would have got one for sure. Yeah, yeah. Like I think the NBA would be totally different, but who knows? I mean, that's history.

SPEAKER_03 2:15:54

I mean the NBA is so volatile, man. Like, well, it's egos. What? It's egos. It is egos. Like, I thought NFL players moved around a lot. Yeah, NBA players, they move a lot. They move, dude. They move. They be there's no like what's loyalty? What's that word again? Yeah, that don't exist. That don't exist anymore. No, not in a world of capitalism, not in a world of money.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:16

And speaking on loyal, I I think that when when LeBron did the thing where he did the whole the whole thing at the YMCA and all that, yeah, I I think that's when it really, I mean, obviously people moved before that, but it really got going when that happened. And I yeah, I think that that really took it all, and I just don't like it, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:38

I feel like I feel like that's when people started changing against LeBron. That like that turned him into the villain. Yep. Like that was the point when people were like, yo, screw this guy. Yeah. Like he just straight up left us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:16:53

He could have handled it a different way, I feel like. I mean, if you wanted to leave, that's fine.

SPEAKER_04 2:16:56

I I'm all I mean people want to give him, you know, some grace and say, well, he did earn, you know, a bunch of money for the Boys and Girls Club doing the announcement there. But it's like, did you really need to do that? Yeah. I mean, you could have just gone there and signed a couple autographs and done, you know, something that way, but did you need to make a spectacle out of telling an entire city that's been behind you since you were in high school that hey, it's nice, but I'm leaving. Yeah. You know, it was like the worst breakup in history.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:27

Yeah, how does that make them feel, man? I mean, they were burning jerseys, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:31

Well, you know how it made them feel.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:34

You saw it, you saw it. So they were pissed. Yeah. I think once that happened, that's when it really, like you said, like you said, Brian, when it that's when things really started, like people never, I mean, it's no loyalty anymore.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:45

Well, it also didn't help when he got down there. They did another spectacle where the three, the big three were standing there going, Yeah, not Bronze, I'm not gonna win two, not three, not four, not five. Like, come on.

SPEAKER_08 2:17:58

And he won what, two, I think. Yeah, yeah. So the only reason he won the other one was because of Ray Allen making that shot. So that's like I said, man, it did it's And then and then he wanted to like have beef with Ray Allen.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:14

Like, dude, he helped you get championships. You need to be gracious to that man. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 2:18:20

It don't make no sense, man. I LeBron uh great for basketball. Me personally, I don't really care for him, but uh for basketball, like he's done a lot for the sport, and you know, he he's a great one of the greatest ever, but uh I have respect for the player.

SPEAKER_04 2:18:36

I dislike the personality of the man. Yeah, that's me. Because it's kind of a I heard I heard so I heard somebody who he lives out in Los Angeles and he was at a club. LeBron's at the club, and he's not even going up to him. Like he just looks he just looks over in his direction and his personnel come over and say, excuse me, sir, don't look at LeBron. And he's like, What? What do you mean? He's like, You're not allowed to look at LeBron.

unknown 2:19:11

What?

SPEAKER_07 2:19:12

We're in a club. Everybody in this club is looking at LeBron.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:16

You're gonna go tell everybody to look at LeBron. What the hell is this?

SPEAKER_03 2:19:20

What do you expect, man? What is he charging me for NIL now? What's going on? It's like I I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't pay to look to there's a there's a charge too.

SPEAKER_05 2:19:30

Like, what are we doing, man? Like, what do you do have tap?

SPEAKER_03 2:19:33

Like, so having that said, let's go back to one of time's oldest debates. Okay. Nope. Are you on Jordan or are you on LeBron, though? Oh my god, we're gonna do this lazy debate. Yeah. I mean, we gotta we gotta do the dog and pony show.

SPEAKER_09 2:19:53

It's two different eras, but that's two different eras.

SPEAKER_08 2:19:56

And that's my that's actually what I was about to say. It's two different eras. Um it is. It is. If I had to pick, I'd pick Jordan because I mean, six championships, six MVPs, um, defensive player of the year multiple times. And and just clutched at the end of the game, you knew Jordan, if you needed a shot, Jordan was getting it for you. Like, no doubt about it. We saw it multiple times.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:19

LeBron I mean, that's not to say he didn't miss shots. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but but you felt very comfortable with him taking the last shot.

SPEAKER_08 2:20:28

Yeah, I don't feel comfortable with LeBron taking the last shot. I mean, even at the free throw line, he's not I mean, 70, what, five, four percent somewhere around there. I mean, it's not horrible, but it's I mean, Jordan, you you knew Jordan, if you needed that shot, he was gonna go get it for you. And LeBron, as great as he is, I think the biggest I think he'd be closer if it wasn't for that Dallas series with when the br when Navinsky beat them. By when Navinsky was by himself. I mean, if you go back and look at that Dallas team, who was I mean, Jason Terry, um, uh Stackhouse, Stackhouse, and the um JJ Berea, and and those guys, but I mean look who LeBron had. He had D-Wade, Chris Bosch, you know, you had Udanus Haslam at the time, you chalmer, you had you had a squad. Lonzo morning. Lonzo more he had a squad. Like, so I think that that was a big hit on his legacy and and the debate. But going back to what you're saying, it's different airs. So you you you you can I don't feel like you can compare them because when when MJ played the the defense was you, you could you could chat with check them more, you can push into him, you can it was more physical. Nowadays, it's not as physical, you can't be as physical nowadays. And I mean, I would even like put Kobe in that because you you had MJ coming in after MJ, Kobe was there for years, and then LeBron came.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:59

So well, Kobe kind of played both eras. So he had the physical and the non-physical. He did, he did, and he was good in both, so you knew that that transition was fine. But a point I wanted to make before you jump in. Yep, uh he also went to college and played in college for a number of years. So when you're talking LeBron's numbers, he has an extra leg up on him by the number of years because he didn't go to college, he went straight to the NBA. And then you also have to factor in the fact that back in his day, he didn't have the kind of health care that they have now. They don't, right? So you're talking about two totally different ways of dealing with injury, dealing with fatigue, dealing with strains and all kinds of stuff. Like you're you're talking about something that can't really be compared. That's right, that's right. So, my opinion, and this is how I look at it, why can't both just be great? Why can't we just agree to say they're good? Why why are you looking at you just happen to be in the direction of looking? Sorry if you felt a little guilty.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:07

No, I feel great. Okay, as you were just alluding to. Do you think uh Kobe would be in that conversation?

SPEAKER_08 2:23:18

I do, because uh to me, uh at my age, uh I mean I I watched Michael, but at the time when Mike played, I was what, 10 like I was born in '88, so he his last championship was what 96? 98. So I was 10. So I, you know, as a 10-year-old, you don't remember you you remember it, but you don't remember it as much. Uh whereas with Kobe, I grew up with Kobe. So in my in my me seeing Kobe, that's my best player I ever seen because I remember, visually remember watching Kobe and how dominant he was anytime he was on a court, besides, you know, the last few years or whatever. But um watching him, that's that I would have to put him there because that's what I seen growing up until LeBron came along now. But um now, you know, going forward, it might be SGA, could be I mean, who else is there's a handful of viable names out there.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:16

Yeah, there's there's some people coming on now.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:19

Wemby, Ant-Man.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:21

Well, to be honest, like we're moving into what I feel is a pretty good time in the NBA because I think so too. Whereas like for years, it was LeBron, Kobe, Durant, Steph, were like the names. We're moving into a time where it's like you can pick a team, and there's there's a guy. Like you're starting to see like you can name a bunch of teams. Like I say Spurs, you say Wimby. I say Nuggets, you could say say Jokic, you know, or I say Nicks, you say Brunson. Brunson, yep.

SPEAKER_08 2:24:53

You know, or right.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:56

Yeah, so there's you're getting a a diverse field of players to where we're getting to a point where it's gonna be like maybe people start becoming fans of teams and less of the player. Which we have been in for the last few years because people just followed the player. They didn't follow the team. They're just like, oh, well, I'm a LeBron fan. Well, he's with the Heat. So you're a Heat fan? No, I'm a LeBron fan.

SPEAKER_06 2:25:20

What? Yeah. It's a little weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:25:23

Yeah, and I I feel like that's honestly good for the quality of the sport because now that means the quality of the overall play is being elevated. Yes. So now you're getting better play across numerous teams and matchups. So you're getting better matchups now.

SPEAKER_08 2:25:39

Yep. I I agree with that too. I I think that like like like like y'all said, I mean, with the with the influx of talent that they have in the NBA now, you're gonna see more people go back to where they're fans of a team. Um also depending on if those players start staying more with that team, though. Because you know, they still got players where and I understand it's a business, but it's like, I mean, do you really need to go somewhere every three years? Like, I mean, uh I so I I don't know. We'll we'll we'll see, but I I'm I'm with you guys. I think we got a lot of talent. I mean, even like the Dallas, you say Cooper Flag, I mean the Celtics, Jason Tatum.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:23

You got you got is that not the biggest bailout of a team that's screwed up in history? They had like no chance to get the first pick, and it's like, oh, Dallas has it. Yeah. We're giving him them Cooper Flag.

SPEAKER_08 2:26:37

Like, what the Yeah, that they got lucky on that one because when they let Luca go, boy, they were not happy in Dallas. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that one. It cost Nico Harrison his job because of that.

SPEAKER_04 2:26:48

So they literally had fans walk up with a casket with uh his jersey on the casket, and they walked it around the stadium and then brought it up, and then fans started walking around the stadium the same number of times of his jersey.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:04

Oh man, that's terrible, man. It's terrible. But they uh yeah, they they lucked up Cooper, but pettiness at its best. Yeah, well, yeah, you gotta be, man. When you do when you do something that dumb, yeah, you you gotta be petty, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:16

The locals are getting restless.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:18

And then and then Mark Cuban's like, I regret selling my shares.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:22

Yeah, yeah, y'all messed up on that one.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:25

Yeah, I guess they're a nonprofit for a reason, though. This is very horrible business infrastructure. Yeah, you're right. Teams still playing, paying players that haven't played on their team for like three teams. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:38

Oh, you mean you mean like the the Mets do.

SPEAKER_07 2:27:41

Yeah, the Mets.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:43

For in case you might not know this, the Mets are still playing a player who hasn't played since like 2002.

SPEAKER_08 2:27:50

Yeah, they're paying him what a what a million dollars a year or something like that?

SPEAKER_04 2:27:54

So it's it's every every July. Yeah, he gets paid. It's on July 3rd or 4th. They pay, we call it Bobby Bonilla Day. Bobby Bonilla is getting he is getting 1.3 or 1.4 million just for going to his mailbox. Just for going to his mailbox.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:13

Insane. That's insane.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:15

That has has to be the best deal in history. Yeah. Because he's keeping the majority of the money. Yeah. He doesn't have to worry, it's gonna be there every year. Every year. It's just like man, smart. Smart business. Super smart by his agent, yeah, but super dumb. What it meant. But the Dodgers are gonna be in that boat here when they do that.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:39

Yep, absolutely. They're gonna be in it worse because they paid that man a lot of money.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:43

Not just him, and a lot of the players deferred. So I hope those World Series are worth it.

SPEAKER_08 2:28:50

Yeah, because I see in the cup, like y'all were saying, give it about 10 years, and the Dodgers ain't gonna be the Dodgers, y'all know.

SPEAKER_04 2:28:56

So yeah, they're gonna be the Rockies of the division. Which the Rockies will be the ones in the least.

SPEAKER_03 2:29:02

I don't think they should change their name to the Ravines. Oh, the Rockies? Yeah. Why do you say that? Because the Rockies are up high and the ravines are down. Shots fired at the Rockies. Yes. He's got no reason to hate them. They're at the lowest point on top of the world. That's terrible. Well, I guess they're not the worst. The White Sox. But the White Sox are better this year.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:24

No, it's not the White Sox. The worst team in baseball right now is the Mets. Yep. We talked about this last night, actually. And for a little while there, the Phillies were keeping pace with them at being the worst.

SPEAKER_08 2:29:35

Until Schwarber started going off, and it was like six six-game home run streak or something like that. So um, yeah, I yeah, the Dodgers, they got a few more years in them. They might get another World Series now and maybe next year. But like you say, when them players are gone, what are you gonna do then? You got you gotta have to pay the money to them. So I have money to fork out to everybody else.

SPEAKER_04 2:29:55

You better hope that scouting department's worth the shit. Yeah. I wanna I want to transition over to talking some football.

NFL Teams, Quarterbacks, And Tight End Trends

SPEAKER_03 2:30:04

You know, I was I was literally about to say that because we only have a few minutes left. Well, every time I say that, we end up talking for another hour or something.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:13

Yeah, okay. There we go. There we go. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:15

Let's down, let's just talk.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:17

If I can stop kicking things, yeah, stop stop messing up this setup. Anyway, uh so I know we discussed this, but for the listeners, yeah, who's your football team?

SPEAKER_08 2:30:29

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, we got a championship a few years back, five by five years back.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:34

So Brady got you on.

SPEAKER_08 2:30:36

Hey, hold on now. I hate when people say this because we yeah, we needed Brady, but it was more than just him. We had Lenny, playoff Lenny. We got A B. We had Gronk, we had Mike Evans, CG was healthy. Um we we we had a squad and a defense, man. Defense was awesome now.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:56

I said I think all you really needed was a quarterback back in there.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:59

Yeah, Jameis, Jameis was Hey, look, 30 for 30 wasn't helping you.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:04

I don't care what nobody says. I love Jameis Winston.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:08

I like Jameis Winston, but 30 for 30 wasn't doing nothing for you.

SPEAKER_08 2:31:12

I can't argue with it, man, because it was bad, especially the last game of the season. I think they would have kept him until we go in overtime with Atlanta, and he the very first play in overtime, he throws it with pick six. So he he started he started his career at Tampa with a pick six and he ended his career in Tampa with a pick six.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:30

I love that's one for the record books. I love the interview he did where he's like, he gets up there and he's like, Lord, please deliver me from these pick sixes. It's like he's up there asking God, please help me.

SPEAKER_08 2:31:44

Or about when he's talking about I I need to get LASIK because I can't see. I'm like, man, you should what are you doing, man? What are you doing? But yeah, it it yeah, it bucks, man, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:54

Um about EWs leave my guy alone.

SPEAKER_08 2:32:01

I I like Jameis, man. He's a national treasure now. Obviously, he says a lot of good quotes and and yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:07

That's what I'm saying. He's always entertaining. He's gonna be the guy you want on your team, maybe in a backup role. He'll come in. Who might be the reason you win or lose the game? You're right. Easily coin flip. What are you getting?

SPEAKER_08 2:32:19

Easily. I um yeah, I'm uh uh I'm I'm sad we lost Mike, but I mean at the same time, Mike did a lot for the organization coming in. He he did a lot of yeah, yeah, you're welcome. I appreciate everything he did. I'm not mad that he wanted, you know, to go somewhere else. He he deserves it, and he took some pay cuts for us to get different players and stuff like that. So it made me sad to see him go, but I think 49ers take good care of him. And I don't have nothing against Fort Niners, so I'm good with it. And then Levante leaving really hurt that that one was sad.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:54

That was the that was the big one, I feel like. But it was time. It was time. It was time.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:59

Yeah, it was you'd rather see him go out that way than go out on a like a I literally was gonna say the same thing. Like the Luke Keekly deal where Luke Keekly was crying on a cart being taken off the field. Yeah, yeah, because he knew it was over.

SPEAKER_08 2:33:11

Yeah, so I uh it made me sad, but like you say, you know, with with with football, you obviously follow time catches up with you. That's with any sport. So you gotta, you gotta, you know, it it happens, but it it was sad. It was a sad day. Um, but we got some better talent there now.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:28

We gotta I do have to thank your team though.

SPEAKER_09 2:33:30

Why do you say that? Because you humbled Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, we did. We did.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:35

I do have to I I always love your team for that.

SPEAKER_08 2:33:37

Yeah, yeah, Antiq with uh Antoine Witfield with the peace side, you know.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:41

Yeah, that's right. Well, and you know, I did go out to see the Niners new stadium. Well, not so new now, but when it first opened up in the game I went to see is against your Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_08 2:33:54

Did y'all win? No.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:55

Oh we did. Mike Evans like one hand in a ball. Over a defender bars, and I'm just like, hmm. Because I like I like Mike Evans. I liked him even when he was on your team. I remember when y'all drafted him. I was like, Yeah, I remember that dude's gonna be monster. That dude's been a yeah, he'd been a beast the whole time.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:13

We just couldn't get right that whole that's that 2010 decade, man. We didn't make the playoffs the whole decade, so yeah, it hurt because you know as a coaching. Well, yeah, we had Shiano, if you remember that guy.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:24

Yeah, I remember Greg Shiano, old Rutgers up in here.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:30

You want to talk some dysfunction? We watched dysfunctional Eagles coach Chip Kelly, and we're like, Yeah, we'll sign up for that. Come on over here, we'll take you.

SPEAKER_05 2:34:38

Yeah, what are we doing? Yeah, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_04 2:34:40

Yeah, it's like we went from Tom Sula to him, and it's like you went from bad to worse.

SPEAKER_08 2:34:47

Yeah, like they both suck. Yeah, that that was bad. That was bad for y'all. But yeah, you're right, coaching hurt us a little bit. Um, but we're we're back, I think. I think I mean last year hurt because we had a four or five game lead going into like we had in the bat to go to the playoffs, and we collapsed. Injuries were bad. You know, uh CG well CG was out for a little while and Mike was hurt a little bit, so a mecha stepped up for us. He's gonna be he's gonna be a superstar, I think, coming up. Um we gotta get Mecha Buca.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:21

Oh yeah, that dude's a beast too. And they got another player. Buka actually jumped somebody in the lineup in the depth chart.

SPEAKER_04 2:35:30

Well, I gotta bring I gotta bring something up because we talked about our coaches and some of the missfalls we had. Yep. How about this guy? All the people he had in his in his organization, in the office that are now head coaches elsewhere doing the thing. I gotta stop taking the blame for these. Tell him, tell him. Tell him all these players, these coaches that were in your office and then walked out.

SPEAKER_05 2:35:55

They're talking about the Washington Redskins.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:57

Yeah, yeah, I I can't even name, I don't even remember all of them. We're talking like what, 15, 16 years ago now? I can't like I don't even remember what Brandon did in high school.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:07

Like so maybe Sean McBay. Yeah, we have Shannon.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:14

Yeah, we have there's yeah, well, that's a big one. There's five five head coaches in the actors.

SPEAKER_05 2:36:21

Oh, Matt LaFleur.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:22

Matt LaFleur, and then his brother. What's that guy in uh Minnesota?

SPEAKER_08 2:36:28

Oh, um uh McConnell. No, not McConnell. He's in the cell.

SPEAKER_03 2:36:32

I can never remember his name. I can't either. But he was quarterback coach. And he was there too until this last year. Um why am I blanking? Mike. What? Not you, Mike, Dolphins Mike. Oh, Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel was a coach on our team as well. And also, I guess we can count Kyle Shanahan as well. Since he's also head coach of the 49ers. So I guess really there's six NFL head coaches. They were all in his organization. They were in our organization under Mike Shanahan, and good old Snyder let every one of them walk away.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:07

But at least Snyder's gone now, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:37:08

Yeah, for a few years. Yeah. But it's sometimes it still feels like he lingers. Yeah, that hurts. It's like a horrible bad. It's like a fart in an elevator. Yeah. He just lingers. It's like a bad X. You'll be watching it, be like, I bet Snyder's watching this right now.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:24

You know, you know, you know, we we played, we played Washington, and they actually play us tough because when we went, we won the Super Bowl that year, we played Washington that first. That was the first game we played, a divisional game. It was in Washington.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:35

Yeah, that was the Kurt Cousins game, right? No, that was the Tyler Heineke.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:39

That was the Heineke game, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:37:40

Where you all took it to him.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:41

Yeah, he remember that his Heine off. Yeah, he just retired.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:46

Because I remember the um, I remember the Cousins game too. Oh I watched him play for ODM.

SPEAKER_08 2:37:51

Yeah, you like that? After we were up 24-nothing. I know.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:55

Yeah, you like that. And now he wears gold chains and grills everywhere. And he gets paid on 80 million. He has the best look. They need to induct his agent into the Hall of Fame. I know.

SPEAKER_08 2:38:06

He gets paid to be horrible.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:08

Yeah, he gets guaranteed money to be horrible.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:11

He gets paid to be mediocre.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:13

I mean, don't act like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:14

Well, I guess he's like mediocre, but I mean he's better than a lot of other quarterbacks out there. Um I don't know. I don't know where the drop-off is. I guess he's just I mean, when he gets to the playoffs. Well, yeah, the playoffs.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:30

Well, a lot of guys drop it. Well, the playoffs. He dispelled that this past season where he played alright Monday night. I guess.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:37

I guess.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:38

I mean, playoff football, just like playoff backs, the sport is at a whole different level in the playoffs. But um, I don't know. Like, I always thought he was a good quarterback. I just never really understood why he didn't have as much success. And I kind of feel like the Mike Shanahan Snyder RG3 thing kind of has stuck to him this whole time. But he really has had moments where he's gone out and proved that he could be the guy.

SPEAKER_08 2:39:03

Yeah, he could, but I don't think he will at lost for long for long, he won't. He'll probably start in Vegas, but Mendoza will take over.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:10

No, I think Mendoza's gonna start probably pretty quick. Well, I don't think he's gonna start right away. I think they'll get his feet wet, but I think Mendoza's gonna be ready to go faster than they probably I I agree with that.

SPEAKER_08 2:39:20

I actually I think the exact same thing, and I think Brady Bayonaire as a as a owner, he he's gonna he's gonna help Mendoza a lot.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:28

I think so too.

SPEAKER_08 2:39:28

I think that's gonna be good for him.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:30

And I I think that's honestly part of why they brought Cousins in. Because Cousins, although his field field play has been up and down, he's really smart quarterback. Yes. So I think that that's gonna help Mendoza as well. And Cousins is very good at managing his personal time schedule. And so I think he brings some other just personal life um advice that Mendoza might they feel might benefit from that.

SPEAKER_08 2:39:54

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. And you know, going back to commanders, they got my they got my guy from LSU. You know I'm an LSU fan, so they got JD five.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:02

Yeah, I love it. I am now also an LSU fan. Hey, I love that for you.

SPEAKER_05 2:40:08

Be there with Circ?

SPEAKER_04 2:40:10

Yeah, I'm glad that dude, that dude's shooting shots across the water.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:16

Oh, yeah, I guess, I guess you're right after, you know, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 2:40:19

He leaves, yeah, he leaves old miss and then starts to point out like how you know, you know, they they got underwater basket weaving as a course, and like talks about recruiting was hard because people are still like thinking about you know segregation era down there.

SPEAKER_05 2:40:36

It's like yo, it's like what did they do? They're just sitting at home. Why are you shooting across the battle, man? They haven't said nothing about you in a while.

SPEAKER_06 2:40:45

Right, right.

SPEAKER_08 2:40:46

Yeah, but I like I like JD5 for y'all, man. I think the only thing with him is he's gotta get he's gotta grow some muscle on him.

SPEAKER_03 2:40:52

I think he's gotta bulk up a little bit. Yeah, he does. So he is, and I know a lot of people are gonna hate when I say this, but he's literally the second coming of RG3 to me. Oh no, I'm not putting that on that man in a bad way because RG3 could throw a pass. He's just may have not been as accurate, but I think JD5 is way more accurate. Um, I think he is a much better pocket passer than RG3. I don't think RG3 was really good.

SPEAKER_04 2:41:15

I think you're just in love with RG3 and misremembering that he was not as good as you think.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:20

No, he wasn't, but he did he did have a rocket. Like, I mean, he could get the ball to the other end of the field.

SPEAKER_08 2:41:24

He he did, but I feel like Shanahan messed him up.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:28

I that's how I feel like messed him up.

SPEAKER_04 2:41:32

Well, I I feel like garbage ass field he was playing on.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:35

Well, they mismanaged his injuries actually twice in a row, in fact, which led to the second worst one. But I feel like so fun fact, JD5 was wearing this same exact tuxedo that RG3 was wearing on his dress. Get out of here. Yep, go back and look it up. The baby blue one.

SPEAKER_08 2:41:51

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 2:41:52

And they are wearing the same socks, but I don't I don't recall.

SPEAKER_04 2:41:56

But RG3 was wearing Superman signs. But all this talk about him and everything.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:01

Well, all this talk about RG3, but JD5 actually reminds me more of Lamar Jackson. Ooh, that's a good one. Because Lamar can pass, and he's a smart player as well, but he also has that mobility feature. He does. But Lamar was very lean coming into the league. Uh, and he had to bulk up as well. Better hope he doesn't play like him in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Well he hasn't. You're right about that.

SPEAKER_08 2:42:23

Because JD5 beat my Bucks.

SPEAKER_03 2:42:25

Yeah, well, I'm I'm hoping JD5 they will grow into their own, like they actually went to the NFC championship that year. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:42:34

They lost to the Eagles. But yeah, don't remind me. But it was, but that, but was you really expecting to get that?

SPEAKER_03 2:42:40

No, and honestly, it was such a blind side. I feel like that's why a lot of people were upset over last season. Yeah. Because last season, it's probably really where they actually should have been at. Yes. Um, the first season was a fluke. And they they were they were well organized. Yep. They were very well coached. Everybody was right in the hype. Um, and they just they just made it as they they performed in the right moments.

SPEAKER_09 2:43:04

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:04

They made the right plays, and they made the least amount of mistakes in those matchups, those tough matchups, right? Yeah, I mean, I thought Detroit was, you know, well, wait a minute. Detroit, no, we lost. I thought Detroit was gonna beat the pants off of us. Yeah, and did not. And they did not. It was a very tough game. So I was very happy to see that and to see what the future holds. But I really feel like this year they're gonna take a step forward.

SPEAKER_08 2:43:31

Yeah, I agree with that. I agree with that. And I think that that that division's gonna be a lot tougher than people think this year, especially with Harbaugh going to Giants this year.

SPEAKER_03 2:43:39

Giants are the team to watch today right now.

SPEAKER_08 2:43:41

I agree, especially once neighbor. Neighbor's not gonna be there at the beginning of the year. No, he gets back with with if Dart gets right, gets his head right, and stop doing trying to be Superman out there. And they I mean they got Scataboo and Tyrone, they still got Tyrone Tracy, too, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:43:55

They got Tyrone Tracy, um, and look for them to run two tight end sets now because they had a fairly decent tight end last year, but he's big he's better in blocking. I forget his name, but he was better in blocking. But he's a good passing tight. They use him in red zone. But now they got Isaiah Likely, who's been playing behind Mark Andrews. Yeah. And then uh, not to get off the Giants, but we were talking about this last night. Out the Chargers, they have um what was it, Gadston?

SPEAKER_09 2:44:23

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:25

And then they picked up Njoku, who I've been weighing for years. They got Njoku. So to me, this is the year of the tight end. I think we will see some tight ends break out this year.

SPEAKER_08 2:44:33

Yeah, I think Mike Bedeel is good for the Chargers.

SPEAKER_03 2:44:38

I I think so.

SPEAKER_04 2:44:39

As a as an OC, yes. I think so. But I think I think what you're seeing is a lot of, and I said this in our in our last episode, that uh the NFL is going to a lot of 13 personnel sets. Okay, just multiple tight ends on the field. So the fact that these teams are doubling up on good tight ends, it's not a shocker. Because it's copycat league. And they had tons of success for with that same formation all year last year. So everybody's just hopping on the bandwagon. Another low-key thing the Giants did, they also they also brought in Picard, that fullbackslash defense a tackle.

SPEAKER_08 2:45:14

Yeah, from the from the Ravens, right? Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:18

He's gonna clear some space. Yeah, I think so as well. Uh Picard, what was he was he? I just said he was a fullback. Fullback, right?

SPEAKER_04 2:45:27

Yeah, he's a tackle. Because he reminds me as he played both offense and defense. He was good on both.

SPEAKER_03 2:45:32

Yeah, Picard. I was thinking of another player, I forgot, I think he's on your team actually. I don't know, it doesn't matter. But yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:45:39

I I think I think that that that it's gonna be interesting this year. I think that I'm not sure it's gonna be a runaway team this year, though, because you got, I mean, it it's it last year it surprised me with the Patriots and the Seahawks. The Colts? I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:45:55

They were 8-0. Well, they I know but Daniel Jones is not gonna be there at the beginning of the year. Well, yeah, they won't they won't have him in the beginning. But they got probably went Leonard, right? Yeah, they got Leonard. So Leonard will probably be the starter. Yeah. And then the Broncos. Actually, I think they brought in uh didn't they bring in Flacco?

SPEAKER_08 2:46:13

Oh, yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:14

Yeah, they're gonna have Flacco and Leonard.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:16

That's good callback.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:17

That's a good quarterback room right there.

SPEAKER_08 2:46:18

It is, it is, especially with Flacco.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:20

He's a at least for a few weeks to keep it going. I mean, we saw what he did with the uh Bengals.

SPEAKER_08 2:46:25

Yeah, and then with with the with the Broncos, like he's talking about, Bo Nicks comes back, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:29

That team's that team's and their run game, RJ Harvey. Oh, yeah, and I I don't think they have a I think they will run two tight end sets, 13 personnel, but I don't think they have two breakout tight ends.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:41

Hopefully Bo Knicks is ready. He had a second surgery on that ankle. Did he?

SPEAKER_08 2:46:45

Yeah. Ooh, yeah. But I mean, Kansas City's on the way down.

SPEAKER_03 2:46:51

I think so too. This is there's dynasty, so there's dynasty shift right now. Yeah. And I I think you're right. I think they're on the it's not gonna be the easy path for them anymore.

SPEAKER_04 2:46:59

No, not at all. They're not just running over, you know, pretty much their entire division.

SPEAKER_08 2:47:04

I I think what's gonna hurt them is that Patrick Mahomes deal. Because you know he got like five hundred million dollars. Yeah, right. Eventually he's gonna have to restructure in order to get better talent.

SPEAKER_04 2:47:14

They will, but but the the biggest problem they have is they pay huge money to big talent to big talent, but the problem is the big talent they're paying, it's aging. It's gonna be gone soon. That's true. And then what? Because you're not gonna have Kelsey forever. No. He's gonna he's gonna he in his production, whether even though he's still okay, his production has been on the decline every year. You know, he's he's on his way out. And then uh the defensive guy, uh Chris uh Chris Jones. Chris Jones, yeah. His production hasn't been as great either, and his his playing time has gone down. Not that he's not a good player, he's still doing stuff on the field, but his play has been going down. So those are the people you're paying the most, and the people that have been playing good, you've been trading them. All your corners, you're trading them away. You are yeah, think about all the good corners they've had, and they've traded them away over and over again. Now, granted, they also drift drafted and created other good corners, but I mean you have a run game now, but you had to pay for it. You didn't draft it, you paid for it.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:23

I'm gonna be honest, I'm surprised they even signed Kelsey to a three-year deal. That is insane.

SPEAKER_04 2:48:28

It's really more of a one-year deal.

SPEAKER_03 2:48:30

It's it's a year to year. It's gonna be structured, but uh it like kind of plays out like a could play out like a three-year deal, but I'm surprised they even went that far with him.

SPEAKER_08 2:48:39

Yeah, me too. Do you think he stays three years? No, he's uh emphatically no. I'd be I but why even come back this year?

SPEAKER_03 2:48:49

That's what I'm asking. I thought he was he he was gonna retire, have his little Swifty life, and be Travis Swift, and then you know Travis Swift. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:00

Yep, this guy is so disrespectful.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:03

And it worked, it works, you know, the disrespectful part or the T S part.

SPEAKER_05 2:49:08

It's the T Swifts, it's the T Swifts.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:11

Well, hey, I was talking about this, like he got all the Swifties, right? Yep. We were talking about something else, but I was like, by default, Travis Kelsey gets all the Swifties because he's married to her. They automatically love him.

SPEAKER_04 2:49:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not that that's how they got their uh contract or anything with their podcast. Yeah, you know, yeah, you know, when you're when your listenership just skyrockets because you start dating Taylor Swift. Hey, put in real work like us, nobody knows us. Start from nowhere.

SPEAKER_08 2:49:41

I like what y'all are doing, man. Y'all are doing great stuff here, man. I really appreciate that. Yeah, I like that. We try I love this. So what um,

Golf Lessons And The Air Base Blowup

SPEAKER_08 2:49:49

yeah, man. I'm I'm I mean, we gotta go. I gotta talk about some golf, man. I know a little bit about golf.

SPEAKER_03 2:49:55

Occasionally we fought when the masters came up, we talked about the masters a little bit. Yep. Um, I had I know McElroy won it again. He did. But I actually, what's his name? I want to see I know it's not. See, I get my sports mixed up now. Who you think? Who came and who was the Scheffler? I had money on Scheffler. I thought Scheffler was gonna pull it out. He was he was kind of shot, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:50:19

One shot. And I then they got a PGA starting tomorrow up into a major tomorrow, and um, I think Sheffler's gonna be the favorite again, man. He he he he's just head and shoulders above everybody. He's he's so he he just can hit any shot, man. He he's he's that good. He he reminds me of Tiger back in the 2000s, like he's just dominant, man.

SPEAKER_04 2:50:41

So they did this thing recently with Roy McElroy. You know, like if you see if you saw a silhouette of like a basketball player taking a shot, you could be like, Oh yeah, that's so-and-so. You know who his shot is. So they did something similar with him where they had him look at silhouettes of golfers in their swing. And so they were like going one by one, and he was getting every one right. So they try to throw him off and they put one up and he goes, Oh, that's Charles Sparkley.

SPEAKER_05 2:51:09

And he goes, right, it was Charles Burless. Barkley had the ugliest swing if y'all didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 2:51:14

I will say McElroy, he's he's preparation is really one of his strong suits. I think that's a big part why he's so successful. But he's he skipped tournaments on the tour and spent extra time. That's it. Uh what was it?

SPEAKER_04 2:51:28

But he's his own worst enemy. He does, he'll get ahead and then he kind of lets everybody back in. That's it.

SPEAKER_08 2:51:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he did a couple years back with Bryson because he missed a couple two, three foot putts, and then Bryson ended up taking the US to open, and he's in that. And I remember there's memes going around where he's sitting there like this, and he's just looking and he walks off and just storms off, and his his memes all over the internet. Yeah, well, Roy, Roy, Roy, I like Roy. I like Roy. I like um I I'm a big Justin Thomas fan, man. He's from Alabama, but you know, but you know, JT, Scotty.

SPEAKER_05 2:52:01

We all have our faults. Yeah, we all have our faults. We all have our faults.

SPEAKER_08 2:52:04

That's right, that's right. So, yeah, you know, I'm I'm excited for it. I love golf, so I'm excited for the PGA coming up tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 2:52:11

Oh yeah. Well, there's two things I know about golf. It's a good way to ruin a walk, and it's the game of one swing. You can shoot like utter crap the whole way through, but you get that one beautiful shot goes splitting down the fairway and lands perfectly, and you're like, Alright. Yep. This is where it turns around. Yep. And then you slice it into the trees on the next time.

SPEAKER_08 2:52:37

Man, that's what that's what got me hooked to it 20 years ago, is that right? Yeah, what you're talking about one swing.

SPEAKER_03 2:52:43

Golf golf is the businessman sport too, okay? Even if you ain't good at it, you might want to get a little good at it because you might have to go out there and rub elbows one day, you know. And just going back to what we talked about in the excuse me, in the beginning of the interview, we having that sign up at Honeybee. It's a QR code. So I'm hoping people pull up our podcast and listen to it while they're shooting the game. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 2:53:05

So I have to check it out, man. They they they told me they got a they got a signage out there on hold three at Honeybee. So I didn't realize it, so they just told me. So I'm gonna have to check it out.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:15

That was the first that was the first sponsorship that we signed with, actually.

SPEAKER_08 2:53:20

That is awesome, man. That that that's that's good stuff. I I it it's really great to hear what y'all are doing. And I I appreciate y'all having me out here, man. This is awesome. So hopefully y'all can get back out here again.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:31

Absolutely. And real quick, uh, just touching back on coaching, yeah. Uh, you're gonna keep coaching? I know you're gonna keep on coaching, but do you see yourself moving up in levels and competitiveness, or do you want to stay like at a certain specific level?

SPEAKER_08 2:53:45

We'll see what happens. Like right now, I'm just um, you know, I I do a lot, man. I I I golf, I bowl a couple nights a week, so I got you know commitments to other people too. And I'm down with bowling.

SPEAKER_03 2:53:59

Yeah, we're gonna start talking about bowling, Mike.

SPEAKER_05 2:54:02

I love bowling, man.

SPEAKER_08 2:54:05

But I uh yeah, I I I think I'm gonna stay where I'm at now, you know, coach the younger kids and and see where my son wants to go with it. Um like I told him, he asked me if I'm gonna keep coaching him. I told him, I said, I'll coach you until you don't want me to coach you no more. So if he wants me to keep going until he's, you know, 16, wanna play rec ball or whatever he wants to do, I'll stand behind him. If he says, Dad, I need you to step to the side, I want, you know, I'm gonna step to the side. But at the same time, I don't push, I don't push it on, I don't push anything on him. So if if he decides he doesn't want to play basketball no more, wants to do something else, I'm totally fine. He plays a little soccer too. He played soccer in the fall, and he enjoyed that, and you know, he got some clubs, so maybe down the road he wanna play golf, you know. But the thing is with with with this age, you you just you want them to have fun and you want them to enjoy basketball and enjoy being out there, and that's the thing about it with me coaching. It's it's it's cool to see them like after practice, even after we would go and practicing, they would stay back another 30 minutes and kind of shoot the basketball with each other, laugh, tell jokes, and it was just like, man, that's how you know that like it's all worth it because these kids want to stay back and still play basketball. Yeah, that's how you know they're in them. I'm just sitting back watching, me and a couple parents, and we're just like talking because they don't want to leave yet. Eventually I gotta pull them out the gym. I'm like, yo, we gotta go. They're shutting the lights off. See the guy over there.

SPEAKER_04 2:55:35

See the guy over to Broom, he's waiting for here.

SPEAKER_08 2:55:38

We gotta we gotta eat dinner still. We got you got school tomorrow. Like, but but at the same time, man, it was awesome to watch them just sit back and like after practice, like, can we get a ball still? Can we get a ball? Yeah, go ahead. Because that that camaraderie, man, and that's why I like that's why I like you know, that goes back to me saying gotta teach them the right way because if you if you're Not teaching these kids and not helping these kids in the right way and teaching them teamwork and how the team aspect of it is, and you just focus on a couple kids like it's never gonna work. Like it may work for you now, but down the road it's not gonna work for you.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:13

Sports reflects life. That's it. You learn lessons through sports.

SPEAKER_08 2:56:16

Yeah. That's it. So yeah, I like I said, I I think I'll stick with with where I'm at now, and eventually if opportunities arise, I'll you know, think about it and go from there. But I think I'm I'm content on where I'm at right now, five and six and seven, eight, and two. Like I said, they're moving up. Kids want to move out, I'm gonna move up with them if they want me to and see what happens.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:35

All I can picture off of what you said, where you're like, if my son tells me he's done with me, I'm imagining when he gets to his teenage years and you're coaching him hard, you pull him out of game, and he's just like, Dad, you remember what you said? I'm done with you. Hit the showers. Mid-game. Like mid-game. He's like, I'm done with you.

SPEAKER_08 2:56:53

Hey, you know, my kid, he got, he got, he got a personality, so he might he might end up doing it.

SPEAKER_04 2:56:58

Yeah, they start they start coming out around the scene. The parents are in the stance, where's he going?

SPEAKER_08 2:57:04

Like I said, man, it it it's it's great.

SPEAKER_04 2:57:07

Um I I wouldn't I I'm the coach now. I'm the coach now. Get out of here, dad.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:14

Take a seat, Dad. Get out of here. Sometimes grandma can't cook no more.

SPEAKER_08 2:57:20

I would not I wouldn't trade for anything, man. It's it's the best feeling. And like, it's not it's not about, you know, I don't do it for money. I don't do it for none of that. I just do it for like the love of the game, teaching these kids so they can, you know, become better people in life and and just want to be better.

SPEAKER_03 2:57:38

And and I love that. You're very well grounded, yeah, uh, my friend. And I it's very nice uh breath of fresh air. Because a lot of people, a lot of people are not well grounded. And I work in a shipyard, so ain't nobody grounded in that case.

SPEAKER_08 2:57:52

Yeah. I appreciate that, man. Like I said, yeah, it it it it's it hasn't been easy, and like I said, you gotta have patience and you gotta have a good mindset. And I haven't always been like that, you know, me growing up, being a hot head in basketball or or or sports, and I think it it's crazy how golf a little bit intertwines with basketball because on a golf course when I get out there, I gotta be you gotta stay calm because if you don't and you start getting too much in your head, things just blow up and it's not good, and you're not having a horrible day. It's the same with coaching basketball. It's kind of like it the golf translating that from golf to basketball, it kind of it it it keeps me kind of grounded and cool, and it it all kind of intertwines for me. So it's weird to think, it's weird to think how it works, but it does. So, you know, I try to. I mean you're just in your element. That's it. That's it. So yeah, it's it's it's it's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:58:48

Golf has to be the most aggravating because it's the only sport where the ball is sitting still. Yes, it does not, it does not move. No, it's all on you, and then you're sitting there staring at it going, please. Oh, please. You're pleading with it. You're like, just just go straight. You know straight.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:07

I don't know how many times I've before I've hit a shot, I'm like, are you gonna be the goat or you gonna be an ass? Which one are you gonna be? And then I hit the shot, I'm fucking shooting off to the shank it to the right.

SPEAKER_03 2:59:19

So there's nothing worse than one of them days. I don't care. I'll I'll I'll keep the ball on the T and talk to it all day. There's nothing worse than slicing it off in the woods and going for a hike that you don't want to go for.

SPEAKER_05 2:59:30

You don't want to go for. You got thorns in your pants and stores, you're walking through bushes and shit.

SPEAKER_03 2:59:35

Yeah, fuck this ball.

SPEAKER_04 2:59:37

See, I'm I'm that dude that will be sitting there after like the third time that's happened. Man, let me get this ball out of my pocket. I ain't going after that one.

SPEAKER_03 2:59:45

Yeah, I don't I don't I don't chase balls anymore. And that's what she said. But anyway, I just go ahead and pull up a new one. If it's not in the area of play for me, I'm like, all right, new ball. Yeah, foot win. And I invest a lot in golf balls.

SPEAKER_08 2:59:58

You know, if it's in the trees a little bit, yeah, it takes foot, kind of kick it out.

SPEAKER_04 3:00:01

That's why you buy the crap ones until you're good. The little wiffle golf balls. No, you don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 3:00:07

It takes longer to get to the hole, but you know. Yeah, but you know, you might be, you know, if it's a par four, you might be hitting like 12 times. I don't know. It's a wiffle ball. Oof. Depends on the wind of the day as well.

SPEAKER_08 3:00:22

That's not good.

SPEAKER_03 3:00:23

Yeah, you know, imagine having you imagine having 12 sings, yeah, swings per hole. You would not even, they just tell you not to come back. Yeah, they're pissed off. They would take your clubs. Well, I don't know who you are, but you gotta go.

SPEAKER_04 3:00:34

You're you're gonna be pissing off all the other golfers that are trying to play, they're all getting bunched up on you.

SPEAKER_03 3:00:39

Just play through. Just play through. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:00:41

Oh. I got a story for y'all. All right, let's hear it. A lot of story time. So I'm on the Air Force base playing golf. So, first off, you can't get on the Air Force base without having credentials. So you gotta know that going in. So it's me and a buddy, we're playing, we're playing these holes, and there's a group in front of us. And this group is like 11 people. Oh, what that's the right response. Eleven people. So apparently they start off as groups that went out and played individually, you know, like three, four, you know, traditional groups, and then they just all got bunched up and only three guys are playing. But everybody seemed to want to take a practice wing or whatever. So we're getting stuck. Behind us is a bunch of white-haired old guys, and I'm like, they gotta be important. They're on base, these dudes are old, they're probably retired like generals or something. And so these guys ahead of us, they come back to us and they go, Did you call the clubhouse on us? No. And they're like, this is BS, you know, we got a bunch of guys just playing for the first time. It's like, y'all do know you're only supposed to be a small group. You're like, well, only three of us just play. Yeah, but check out all these cards, you're holding everything up. And then dude decided to roll back to them dudes with the white hair because they had said something like y'all need to hurry it up or get out of the way. And dude goes over there with an attitude, and I'm like, uh oh, it's a wrap. Because this dude, this dude. So there's no way he's like he's maybe E2, E3, he ain't nothing. Yeah, so he goes back there, and all I hear is starting attention. Oh, here it goes. All those dudes lined up and they were taking turns just screaming at this dude. I'm saying, like, close enough, they're almost touching noses, screaming at this dude. And they're like, What's your name? What department are you in? Who's your who's above you? Oh no.

SPEAKER_07 3:02:46

Oh lord.

SPEAKER_04 3:02:46

And then he comes driving past us like a dog with his tail between his legs. And I'm like, he just got everybody in that group in trouble. Because you know, because this is a Friday, you know, on Monday, all them standing in attention. Yeah, you know, in their dress uniform.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:03

Hey everybody, bring your PRT gear. Y'all getting in shape today. Call me Major Pain. I may not be. Know where you're at.

SPEAKER_04 3:03:15

Like, you know, you're on base, you see these older gentlemen playing golf. Maybe you're not, you don't want to snap off when the times turn too good.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:26

Read the room.

SPEAKER_04 3:03:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:30

Read the course.

SPEAKER_05 3:03:31

You know what I mean? Like, what are you doing? They weren't doing none of that.

SPEAKER_09 3:03:34

Them shots are wild.

SPEAKER_08 3:03:35

Absolutely not, man.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:36

But yeah, they must have been intoxicated or something. Oh, they were that.

SPEAKER_05 3:03:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:03:42

They were that.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:42

They didn't have all the reason you need then.

SPEAKER_08 3:03:45

Yeah, yeah, that that'll do it. That'll do it for sure.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:49

Yeah, liquid courage to turn a confident man into a god.

SPEAKER_09 3:03:52

Oh, quickly. I've known about that a couple times too.

SPEAKER_03 3:03:55

So ignorance follows. I feel like I feel like at this time in our lives, we've all learned some lessons, okay? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:04:03

Not such good ones either, sometimes, you know. So you hope.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:07

Yeah, well, yeah. Because if you didn't learn, you're just repeating the well, my friend

Parenting, Patience, And Closing Thanks

SPEAKER_03 3:04:12

Brandon. Yeah. You're getting married in a year. Yeah. A little over a year. Congratulations. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_08 3:04:17

Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:18

Yeah, I bet that's been great.

SPEAKER_08 3:04:20

Yeah, man. Yeah, she she's great. And um, you know, she she does a lot. Um, she takes care of me and my son and has been, you know, around and and i i it it's another like thing that keeps me like calm and and like grounded. And I think like I I can be a hothead at times and she knows that and you know, but with her just being so loving and calm and stuff like that, it just it it makes me a better person, and that's the kind of person you want in your life to marry.

SPEAKER_03 3:04:55

So yeah. And I I feel like when you meet a good woman, you know, especially as a man, uh you know, a single man with child, I won't say single father, because they has mother, right? You don't you don't want to be disrespectful, but uh and I can relate to this a little bit myself because the girl I'm dating, like, when they're in, they know the way to your heart is through your son. Yep. And they take, you know, both these ladies obviously take very good care of both of our sons. And I hear a lot of what you're saying and and what I have right now. So it's very reassuring, you know. Um, and I wish you guys best of luck. I'm very happy for you. Uh we have to get the kids together.

SPEAKER_08 3:05:38

Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I absolutely agree. And that's and that that's my my son. He he and I'm sure your son as well. I mean, it you know that you got the right one when your son like sits there and talks her head off. Like, oh yeah, I don't even gotta be in the room. And yeah, like I'm like, she's like, he's just had a whole conversation. Yeah. I was like, he loves you, so you're you're good, you're in there. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:05:59

You're not going anywhere. Maybe sharing things with them, they don't even tell you now.

SPEAKER_08 3:06:03

He comes in the room, he comes in my room, he comes in our room, and he's like, Sam. I'm like, uh, dad, I I'm your dad. She's not your your real mom. What are you doing? But at the same time, I'm like, that that's a great feeling to have that that he can go to her and and not have to come. But it sometimes it makes me mad. I ain't gonna lie. I'm like, man, I'm not trying to do that.

SPEAKER_03 3:06:22

It's a different feeling because you're used to being the one, and now there's somebody else.

SPEAKER_08 3:06:27

And he'll go straight to her. I'm like, bro, I'm right here. I can hear you. Like, talk to me. It's me. I'm your dad.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:34

And um, but he You've already been taking down a peg in the totem pole.

SPEAKER_05 3:06:38

Everybody, man.

SPEAKER_03 3:06:39

Dad's getting no love, bro. We're the first to go.

SPEAKER_08 3:06:42

That's it, all the time. And but it's it's with that, with the whole family. Like, she comes around to my aunt, my cousin, and they all like, oh hey, say oh hey, Brandon.

SPEAKER_04 3:06:51

I'm like, Yeah, you don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_05 3:06:55

Yeah, I know, right? We don't exist no more. You're still here?

SPEAKER_04 3:06:58

Hey, you're you're missing, you're missing the good point of it though. What once he starts talking with her, now you have a moment. You can go do what you need to do. That's true. You know, sometimes finally you can go to the bathroom and not have a you know. Well, not only that.

SPEAKER_03 3:07:13

Not only that, leave me alone if they're in the bathroom, they'll probably tell them things they won't tell us. That's true. And then you hope the ladies tell us. That's true.

SPEAKER_08 3:07:22

Yeah, that's true. That's true. But nah, it it's great, man. I'm excited for it next year, August. And um, she's a great woman, and she's also got a son, so it's just great to see.

SPEAKER_03 3:07:33

That's the best, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 3:07:34

Yeah, have two, and they get along so well. Uh the funny thing is, they're only two days apart, so it's like, yeah, I mean, yeah. February 24th, February 22nd. So, I mean, but one, if you looked at one, one's a giant, and my son is he's getting taller, but they you know, they get they get along so well.

SPEAKER_03 3:07:54

And it's okay, Rey Mysterio and the big show. We already got Halloween picked out.

SPEAKER_08 3:07:58

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:02

I don't think so. I think they beat each other's ass a lot. They tagged once. They did tag, I think, once or twice.

SPEAKER_08 3:08:07

If it was like one of those obscure or Kane and X Pac or, you know, something like that. Like, I I don't know. That's uh but that's how they are. And they, you know, they they they're feral and you know, act crazy, but you know, what five, what, what seven-year-olds don't? So, you know, we got big trampoline in front of the house, they jump on that all day. Hell yeah. Yeah, we uh yeah, it it's it's great, man. I'm glad I found her. She's the best thing that's happened to me ever, and I'm I'm excited to get married.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:37

I'm really happy for you. We're both really happy for you. I appreciate that, guys. Uh Mike, Brandon, do you guys have anything else you want to contribute?

SPEAKER_08 3:08:46

I don't I don't think so. I mean, like I said, you guys are doing a great job here, and I appreciate I appreciate y'all having me out here. And hopefully, man, we can do this again, chop it up and talk some more sports people.

SPEAKER_03 3:08:55

Hey man, I want anyone and everyone, and don't just make it a one-time thing. Come back. Awesome. You know, come to our events, which we'll have some events eventually. Okay. Uh, but bro, like if you ever just want to come up and talk sports on an episode, like I'm all about it, man.

SPEAKER_08 3:09:10

I like I said, I can talk with y'all and we can rap, and it's it's awesome. So anytime y'all want me, y'all got me.

SPEAKER_03 3:09:16

Hell yeah. Mike, you got me.

SPEAKER_08 3:09:18

Not like that. No, pause. Uh, you know, not you know like that.

SPEAKER_03 3:09:23

Yeah, it got me like me like that. You got the free trial.

SPEAKER_08 3:09:27

We might have to start paying like no, no, no, but nah, anytime, man. I'm first time's free. Yeah, anytime, guys. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm with y'all.

SPEAKER_03 3:09:40

Well, good luck to you and your son and uh and your guys' future in sports and coaching. Good luck to you and uh your fiance and your family. Appreciate that. Uh for the last time, thank you once again for joining us. Uh, we've really had a blast with you. We have a blast with everybody. Uh we really had a blast with you as well. We hope you as well as everybody comes back. Um, and thank you everybody once again for listening to our interview with Brandon Casey. Uh, he's a very lively guy, very well grounded, and obviously very sharp. Uh, we hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. And for the last time tonight, I'm Brian with an eye. And I'm Mike, and we are two for the win.