The Road To Scratch podcast: Is Golf A Sport or A Game?

Welcome back to the Road To Scratch podcast!. In this episode Matt and Shane talk about the Masters 2026 and the back to back wins by Rory. They also discuss the ongoing debate over whether golf is a sport or a game and call out Garrett Clark of Good Good on his opinion on the subject. Shane confronts Matt about his lack of motivation to get better at golf and offers some advice. Pop on in and leave comments on this episode! Subscribe to the podcast to make sure you always know when the next episode comes out.

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SPEAKER_00 0:08

Alright, Matt, we're back. Episode 4, Road to Scratch Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Yes, it is. Episode 4.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

I'm Shane, he's Matt, and uh if you're listening on audio, thank you very much. Uh we are also on YouTube. And before we get started, if you're on YouTube, you can see behind us Swing 365 Colorado. Full 24-7 swing simulator for all of your practice needs. It is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful spot. It's locally owned by PVJ Professional, family-owned business. And uh, if you hit code scratch, which I'll leave in the description below and in the show notes, that'll get you 10% off any membership. You can even come out and just do some trials and just check it out. Again, swing365colorado.com is where you can go get all that information, and that's all in the show notes below and in the description. Alright, with that out of the way, it is now April.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

It is April.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

And we just watched the Masters.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

We did.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

And I am reluctant to say that I did not take money on Rory. And I'm sorry, Rory. But that was uh one heck of a tournament to watch. It was. And I'm I mean, I'm a big Rory fan. Um there was a lot of guys I had a feeling were gonna be doing pretty well, but yeah, to see him go back to back, he now enters a pretty elite group of dudes. There's only a few guys that have gone back-to-back masters. Do you know all of them now? There's four.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

There's four of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

Tiger.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Yep.

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Jack.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:48

And then we have Nick Faldo. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

And Rory. And Rory. That's not bad company to keep. Yeah, so fun, fun tournament to watch. Again, Masters just kicks off the entire season for us. Um, and it's definitely been some golf weather outside. So um I was honestly, just to kind of talk about the Masters real quick, I was really surprised and thinking about my own golf game. Um, it was it was really interesting to watch Roy play the f first two days because and I was talking to you about it, his driver was definitely not where he wanted it to be. Yeah. He was uh playing a lot of that, yeah, he was playing a lot of that course.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Um he saw a lot of August.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

He saw a lot of Augusta. Yeah, he saw a lot of Augusta. Yeah. Which was great because then we all got to kind of see a lot of Augusta because Rory was obviously following him. Um and yeah, he was in some places that I don't think I recognized since maybe Tiger's first win in '97. And Tiger did it in a similar fashion off the T for sure. Yeah. But what was eye-opening for me the first two days, and I'm not saying Rory has a bad short game, he's not known for his putting, certainly. Right. Um, he certainly is creative around the greens, and he's got some really cool shots. I've seen some really cool stuff, even in like Ryder Cup scenarios, where he seems to find his putter in the Ryder Cups, by the way. Um, but yeah, he's all over the place. Lucy Goosey off the tee, and he was scoring. In fact, he had a six-shot lead after 36 holes.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Yeah, the first two days, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Um really, really interesting to watch, and some of the commentary after Friday about Rory having a six-shot lead, and basically he doesn't have to do much better than parr the rest of the way, yeah, and he's got it in the bag, and I was shocked to hear Yeah, that's the stupidest comment. I just couldn't believe that was said. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

It's like those guys never played Augusta before to make that kind of comment. Yeah, and they it's like they didn't know how many other extremely talented golfers were out there.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Did they not see the leaderboard? Yeah, I mean you're gonna sleep on Scotty, you're gonna sleep on Scotty's Scotty's gonna be firing up pins if he's I mean, he has nothing. We talked about this, he has nothing else to lose when he's in those situations. He's not playing for money. No, he doesn't care about that. He's already won twice at Augusta. So he's yeah, he's gonna be he's gonna be attacking that course regardless of conditions. Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:29

Yeah. They had great conditions all week.

SPEAKER_00 4:32

I mean, it was pretty calm considering there was no weather at all. It got a little windy all over the weekend, kind of here and there, and there was some gust that came up Sunday they were struggling with trying to read the wind a little bit. But yeah, I mean, make that comment. Like you know those guys are coming for him.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah, I mean if he could have put together, you know, two more rounds like he did the first two two. Oh, yeah, it's over.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

He's running away with it.

SPEAKER_01 4:57

He he couldn't. You know, he well, he ended you know, he did at the end, I guess. Right. But yeah, the you know, he he brought some he let some guys back into it for sure. But the guys played really well on Saturday, too.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Like that's the There was a lot of great play on Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

65s, yeah, 67s.

SPEAKER_00 5:14

Scotty was firing. Yeah. Um Patrick Reed played well on Saturday. Patrick Reed. I'm not a big Patrick Reed fan, but he did play well. Yeah. I mean, Rosie was right there. He was he was shooting a pins too. There were so many guys on that leaderboard that had a chance to get close. Yeah, if Rory was a shoot even par, I know it's gonna get close. Fact, he what did he shoot one over on Saturday? And that was the day where his driver still wasn't there, he was stuck for sure. Yeah. Um, and didn't seem to work that out after Friday. And he just, yeah, he was the putter, the putter wasn't there, but he was getting in worse situations. The greens were getting drier. I mean Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:54

I think they had that course on Saturday set up a little differently than they did on Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 5:59

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

So for whatever reason it didn't work as well for him.

SPEAKER_00 6:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

But other guys it really worked well for him.

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Well, I mean, yeah, but yeah, he didn't see many fairways Saturday either. I mean, some of the stats, just looking at some of the stats or how many fairies he hit, how many fairways he hit on par fives, right, and how many under he was after Friday, and just it just goes to show you like those, you know, all those guys are gonna be off, but there's still there's there's so many ways to score.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yeah. Yeah, and it's amazing to just watch recovery so much of the time. You know, it's it's almost more exciting to watch it in a few. Oh, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Like it's much more fun.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

They were hitting it down the fairway and onto the green and you know, putting or two putting, it's like, oh, okay. Or engulf cool. You know, but yeah, oh look where he is. He's behind uh, you know, he's gotta thread it through this tree and keep it low. And oh, we can't go for it this one. But yeah, who I don't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Watching some of those guys hit recovery. I mean, like what back in the day with Tiger, the way he would just come out of the trees and come out of just yeah, some of the most insane trouble thinking there's no way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Um I know. Just you know, jaw just drops, you know, and you're just like, well, how is that even possible?

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Oh yeah, and then Sunday, I mean, those guys were everybody was right there. I mean, the leaderboard just backed up, which was really cool to watch, and like how many lead changes there were. Rose was in the lead for a while, Rory was back and forth. Um, yeah, it was kind of like I'm not really sure how it's gonna go. And at that point, I really had to pull for Rory because it was just like there's I want to see the fourth guy do it. Yeah, and he deserves it. It's good to see him, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

It was great to see him do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

And we'll see if it makes him you know that that this propels him to like you know, phase two of a run on majors, it it possibly could. I mean, he wasn't like 37 now, so he's got plenty of time left. But yeah, yeah, watching some of those guys, some of the shots they hit like Hcton Lee. Yeah, how about Hcton Lee's shot on 15?

SPEAKER_01 7:58

Yeah, we can relate to one of us, one of us, yeah, related to that very easily.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

Yeah, and and what's cool about that guy too is that I mean his attitude was yeah, he just laughed. Just he laughed it off. I mean, what else are you gonna do? He just he just turned to his guy, he's like, I can't believe we just did that. Yeah, it happens. I mean, he just literally topped it in the water, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Yeah, definitely can relate.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

Everybody's got it.

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Well, and that goes like what we were talking about. What's so great about golf, you know, we see these great players do these amazing things, and then we see them do things that we do, and then we can do great things sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 8:30

Right, yeah, and that's what we talked about before, is that's why golf is so great.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Why we all come back to it, I think, in so many ways, because chasing that a little bit, chasing that feeling, chasing that, and hopefully we're growing like into a place like Hot Toon did where you could just laugh off the shot and move on to the next one.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

All of us on our level should always do that. There is like there is no reason to see anybody chucking clubs after you top a ball in the water. Yeah, you're not gonna be a good one. When you're playing even once a week, yeah. You're you're not you're not that guy, bud.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

So and I will take I will take that. I'm this is part of my year this year, is getting better at some of that stuff for sure. Yeah. Um you're gonna be right there to help me. Of course. Hopefully, other people out there. I mean, it's it's not playing with my brother's a good example of being able to do that, but that's something I'm gonna try and get better at this year for sure, is just laugh it off.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Yeah. Move on to the next shot. I mean, next shot. Yeah. I mean, I think that's you know, interesting talking about the recovery that those guys do too, right? Like they're they could get really upset.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

Yeah. But they you know, acceptably, yeah because that's that's their career.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Yeah, but they have to move on to the next shot. They have to forget about it and go to play the next one.

SPEAKER_00 9:46

You can't hit reset. Yeah. So yeah, that's been uh and then watching those guys hit shots like that or bad recoveries or bad drives, or they're like, and then it's looking like, oh my god, we relate to watching some of that kind of unfolding and say, Oh my god, he's gonna make double now, and somehow they walk away park.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

Somehow they get a fire, yeah. I know.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

And that's that speaks to all the different realms you have to stay in in golf, and that's exactly why they just go, that shot is done. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

It takes practice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Oh, yeah, mental practice. I mean, it's a yeah, the mental fortitude with this game is is uh on a different level. Yeah, it's definitely it's one of the hardest things I've ever done for sure. And most people can relate to that, but it yeah, it it's it'll test you no matter what level you're at. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Even in the simulator, playing on these courses, and you hit a bad shot and you're just like, come on. What was that? What was that? Yeah. Now you have the next shot. Right. Exactly. And I have learned on this, which is great, how to recover and still make you know good scores. And cool. Yeah. Yeah. One of the things is not only like letting that shot go, but also like Jack was telling Roy at the beginning of the week, too, don't make doubles. Keep doubles out of the sc out of the out of your pocket. Just don't make doubles. Yeah. You'll be fine. So easier said than done. But it's all about that next shot recovery, thinking, it's just a chess game, like thinking about alright, that sucks. How do I make the next shot to a place where I can try and make a score? So good for Rury. He figured it out this week, but not with his A game. He did not have his A game. Yeah, that's pretty amazing to think, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. He had moments for sure, especially coming down the stretch. He had some incredible shots and made some putts.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

I would really say, yeah, Sunday that the when he needed to make the plays and the shots, he did.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

And the other guys that were chasing him just couldn't.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

They couldn't do it. Yeah, except for like Scotty. Rosie was there until the last couple holes.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

He was even then, you know, like there's shots, there's a few putts he needed to make.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

There were two putts I can remember particularly, where especially one on 16, I think it was 16. Yeah. Yeah. He just couldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

Couldn't do it. Meanwhile, Rory plugs away and makes a shot here and there. Next thing you know, he's up by two and going to 18. I know. And he's got a little leeway to play with. Yeah. On 18. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

That's where you want to be. So good for him. We'll see what happens next month, the PGA Championship, which I do not remember where it's being played. Do you know where that is? I don't remember. Look that up anyway. Um we'll see. Yeah, let's see what we'll see what happens. There's a few other guys out there that I'd like to see like up there in the weekend. And one of those I want to see Blades Brown maybe get in and play. That kid is so much fun to watch. 18 years old.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

There's some really fun players out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:48

So a lot of guys are really close to doing some big things.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see what happens. But uh yeah, Masters is now over. That was fun. A great tournament to watch. Um congrats again to Rory. And on to next month, I guess. Yeah. Definitely. All right. With that being said, yes, sir. I was listening to another podcast the other day, and we did use this word a couple times as we were just speaking about the Masters tournament as a game. And part of this podcast was the Good Good Park Good Good Podcast I was listening to. And one of the founding members of Good Good is Garrett Clark. And he has an argument that golf is not a sport, it's a game. Interesting. And I've had this argument with several people, including my brother. Uh-huh. Um, but I was listening to him talk about the reasons behind it being a game versus a sport.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

So I'll get your opinion on that because the points that he made as to why it should be why it is a game to him, I will counter. And I took notes because I was like, hold on, I was driving home from work, and I'm listening to this and I'm like, yeah, but you could take that to football. Yeah, but you could take that to basketball. Um and he also calls ping pong a game, and I actually would argue that ping pong is a sport. So does he call tennis a game? He does not. Tennis is a sport. Tennis is a sport, okay. Um so Garrett Clark, I'm calling you out. Golf is a sport. It is not a game, and I'm going to give you the reasons why, but before I do that, I'm gonna ask you, Matt, do you think it's a game or a sport and why?

SPEAKER_01 14:39

Yeah. Interesting question for sure. You know, it's funny that this comes up. At University of Kansas, freshman year, I was in a uh communications class. Oh do you remember this?

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Yes, yes, I do. How funny is that, right? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

And one of the communications class, one of our um uh projects we had to do, we had to get up and do various uh public speaking. Yep. So we were learning. I took that class we were learning later. Um so there were different exercises, different uh projects we would do, and then get up to into the class and do our public speaking. And I don't remember exactly what the topic or the framework was, like, but my uh you had to oh you had to like pick a position and argue for it. I think it's so it wasn't like a debate because there was no one you were debating, pick a side, but you had to pick a pick a position, yeah, and then lay your case. And I actually chose golf is a sport. Oh that was actually my one of the okay one of the one of my speeches. I have absolutely no idea what I talked about. Well, it was a few years ago, it was just a couple years ago. Um but I do recall, you know, really thinking about at that time and it's even now like what level of um commitment that it takes to master it, right? What level of training it takes to master it, what level of um skill you know, you know, behind you know, outside of just practice, you know, there's like a core kind of internal skill that especially the the Rory's and the Scotty Shufflers have just innately.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

Um I'm not sure what Garrett's criteria are between a sport and give you those first? I mean, sure.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

I mean Okay, I'll give you a few of them. I actually I took some notes because I had I had to actually write this stuff down because I'm old and I can't remember this stuff and there's a million things in my head right now. But I also wanted to do it because you can counterpoint you can I can see either side of this, but for where he went with this, it I could have right I could have come right back and said, Yeah, well then that would make everything a game, then so one of his one of the things he did mention was well Well what makes what makes something a game in the first place. Okay, so a game, yeah. A game is something that you you play for fun. Okay, play for fun. Um it's a social environment.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Social, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Um you well, one of the things he brought up was it's not athletic. Not athletic, okay, which is defined as ex-I think it was defined like I think one of the other guys, I'm trying to remember who was talking about this, was talking about there has to be a level of exertion to make it athletic in a sport. So if you're not exerting and you're not being doing athletic motions, it's a game. It's a game, okay. You can drink and play. Okay. Or do other substances and play. Um, what else that do we have in here? Let's see. I think that's kind of what I was going like going down. Those are some big ones. Yeah. So those are the big points. Is that uh as what makes it a game versus a sport. And one of the big things they they came up with a couple times is not athletic. So how do you think that is?

SPEAKER_01 18:08

Yeah, that's actually, I think, a ridiculous argument about golf. I mean, seriously. I mean, I I actually saw um just recently an interview with Jack Nicholas.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

And he was um they were asking he was talking about oh he his money clip, the the money clip he has is a long drive contest he won. Oh. And it's like, I don't know what where it was or what it was, but it's it's an old money clip. I think he won it in like 68. It's gotta be old. And he hit it at that time um 345 yards or something like that. Yeah. Like today was a good one. Well that was what they were asking him.

unknown 18:53

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

And they were asking him, they said they said what would happen, you know, if you were playing with stuff. And he was like, well, you know, I would probably be up there. Yeah. And then what they were showing though is the change in technology technology, uh-huh. There's only been there's been a couple of times where there's been dramatic changes in technology.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 19:21

And when you see that in like going from the persimmon wood or the wall changing or these different things changing, right? And as so when it does change, you see a pretty significant increase in distance. Uh-huh. But there actually has not been a significant change in technology in probably close to 15 years. Okay. Now they've adjusted things and you know, everything is the newest thing coming out of it. And yet you're still seeing increases in distance. In distance.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

And so, because the argument they were talking to him about was all about technology and the clubs and the ball and all that.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Well, isn't that kind of the argument of why they're rolling the ball back? Is because they haven't changed technology to make people make these guys longer and longer, and they're just still getting longer. Still getting longer. And they can only make a course so long. Yes. So we gotta roll the ball back.

SPEAKER_01 20:12

Well, then that's what and yeah, so the argument there was they were giving an argument against rolling the ball back because it's like that's not the technology's not the problem. Yeah, yeah. It's basically stayed the same. I mean, yeah, there's little changes, but not these big jumps like it was like 25, 30 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

And now that it's really fairly more or less the same, and you're still seeing that increase, it really is just is simply because of players getting stronger, becoming more athletic, taking care of their bodies, treating golf like like they're athletes.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Right. And and now example Tiger Woods.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

Well, Tiger is probably where it all started.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

You know, because up till that point, yeah, I mean, you could are I guess the argument of it being a game or not or unathletic probably does make sense if you look at some of the older golfers who are out there, you know.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

And I'll touch on that when because that was kind of brought up too sure. It's like body shapes and more then. Regiment, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

But now But even today, even some of the anyway, I I just I I think the the level of care and strength and physical ability of these g guys on the tour are is is is is astounding. Right. Um especially the guys at the very top.

SPEAKER_00 21:36

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

At least it occurs to me that way. Yeah, yeah. The training they do, the the flexibility stuff they do, right? You know, the you know, the different motions and the weights and the bands and I mean all this stuff. I I don't I don't think it's any different than you know, Steph Curry, you know, doing his off court stuff or you know whoever.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Right. No, I mean I agree. I think golf's a sport. I think it's always been a sport. Um and for some of those reasons for sure. One of the things that was brought up by these guys too was, well, yeah, but like, you know, anybody can go out and play, you know, whenever. Um, and you brought up the fact like back in the day with some of the older golfers, like, you know, 60s, 70, like the Jack era for sure. Where these guys, um, I mean, Ben Hogan was a chain smoker, you know.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Arnold Palmer was a big party guy, and he he didn't work out a day in his life probably. I mean, he's just naturally strong. Yeah. But and I don't know that's a fact, but he certainly wasn't on the regiment that these guys on tour are now. And that was, you know, that that was said as, well, that's why it's a game and not a sport. It's because, you know, the these guys are all pudgy and they didn't lift weights and they drank all the time, and you know, yada yada. I'm like, okay, well, let's go back and talk about guys playing baseball in the 60s and 70s. So is baseball a game and not a sport because of that? I would I would hear a lot of people argue that there's no hell, there's no way in hell that baseball's a game. It's a sport. If it's called, you know, if you call it a game, well, it's gotta be a game. Well, yeah, we see that. I mean, the bulls, the Chicago Bulls chant. Before every basically before every game started, game started, yeah, was game time.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

Game time, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

So that that doesn't have anything to do with it, but you can't go off a body shape and regimen and stuff because there's a lot of there's a lot of guys that can just somehow figure out how to play a sport and and go about it that way.

SPEAKER_01 23:40

I mean, I think it's a really unique sport in the sense that it is accessible to more people in a lot of ways. Sure. You know, uh very easily. But what's accessibility mean? Accessibility in the sense of you can you know, if if it's true, it's not accessible to everyone, but there's an accessibility being able to get on to you know, get some clubs, go on a course and just walk around and play. You know, and you know, if you wanted to go and play baseball forever, for example, and you're you know by yourself in your 30s, you know, you gotta figure that out before, you know, however old you are might be, right? Outside of your high school.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

You know, you gotta find a group, you gotta figure out, you gotta engage in so it's a little harder, I think, for people to really play that stuff right as a age. Um it's an interesting very it's a sort of a funny funny comparison in a way, because there's so much overlap, I think, and you know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

I I Well, here's my here so what do you think? Well, here I mean I think it's a sport, it's athletic. Yeah, there's an athletic motion to it. I mean, especially in this day and age with all the different ways we break down a golf swing, which I think is a lot for most people to handle. It's probably too much for people to handle. Way too much. I don't think there's that much that's involved. That'd be like I I feel like that'd be like breaking down a jump shot to a point where somebody couldn't even know how to pull the trigger and like actually release the ball off their hand. But I think there's there's because there's some relatability to the to the to the game, the sport of golf, um, anyone thinks they can go out and just mechanically figure it out to be good. And this is another reason why I would argue that it's a sport, not a game, because people can do you can go out and shoot baskets and just shoot baskets, you can go pick up games and be terrible and still playing pickup games and basketball. Um, soccer, same thing. You know, there's men's leagues, and I'll touch on the men's league stuff as to why you can't say that you know, substance altering things that people take it a game, make it a game versus a sport. Um and because that'll relate to some of the men's leagues I played in. But I think there's there's like that thought process of well, if I just do all of these different points in the golf swing, uh and if I get them down robotically, I can be really good at it. People can't. And the reason why is they can't get in certain positions unless they do certain exercises, if their body's not naturally going to do that, it's an athletic motion through impact. It has to be, and that's why people that play golf for 30 years never get any better is because they're not athletic enough to do it. I'm not saying they can't have fun doing it, but it's a sport, and they can't be at a level that's measured handicap-wise or whatever if they can't get in those positions, and if you can't get in those positions because your body won't allow you, then you either have to train to do it, train, yeah, or you just never will be able to do it consistently that way. Right. Right? The other thing, and I'll bring it up right now because Garrett Clark's a young man and we are not. Um he talked about you know going out and being able to, you know, drink and guys get drunk and still can play golf. That's a game. Yeah. And that's doesn't no other sport has that. Dude, you didn't know what the NFL was like in the 80s and 90s. The amount of cocaine and drug use in the NFL.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

I mean, but baseball, same thing. And not just I'm not talking about PDs, I'm talking about guys coked out of their minds going and playing games.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

Oh, yeah. I mean, there's stories of players on LSD pitching and stuff like that. I mean Yeah, I mean, substance use that could be maybe a conversation of a whole other day about what happens on a golf course with that. I mean I I think just there's a lot to say about it.

SPEAKER_00 27:31

They're funny to watch reels of, but it's really sick to watch a person.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

And it is it it is kind of a nice thing for guys to, you know, or you know, people to be out of the way. Go out and have fun, for sure. I get it. But yeah, that's an interesting argument against it being a sport.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

Yeah, that doesn't make that doesn't negate it being a sport because on a professional level. Yeah. I mean, what are we forgetting about John Daly?

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

Does that guy look like an athlete?

SPEAKER_01 27:58

Well, and he was hung over or drunk playing so much of the time anyway. Maybe he was a big one.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

He won his first major completely blitzed. Yeah. He blacked out half the time. Like imagine now. Can the weekend golfer go out and do that? Can he shoot four rounds in the 60s at crooked stick? Blacked, half blacked out? No. The guy's an athlete. He doesn't look like one, but he makes an athletic motion, he's flexible as hell. Yeah, he can put himself in all positions. He didn't know he doesn't train like Tiger Woods or anybody today.

SPEAKER_01 28:30

Imagine if he did.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

But he's an athletic well, there's that argument forever. Like imagine if John Daly worked at golf the same way Tiger Woods did, or Scotty Scheffler does, or Rory Mack, like any of those guys. Imagine the amount of athletic, natural athletic ability in him is I still argue, maybe outside of Fred Couples, yeah, the most naturally athletic guy to ever play professional golf.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

I could see that.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

So Uber talent. Yeah. And again, it's a sport because of those reasons.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

I I 100% agree. Yeah. I mean, I think there's an aspect of it that's a game for sure, but I I definitely think there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah, I mean, I'm just looking over my notes to make sure I've covered all his bases because I will I will definitely argue it is a sport, and that those are the reasons why you're definitely exerting yourself, some people more than others. Right. But walking for several miles in a day, that's an athletic thing to do.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

So you're exerting that just on itself, plus every swing.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

Yeah, they were talking about well, and this probably goes to Rory being all over the course. But his because he wears that whoop band. That's right. They were talking about how many steps he had. Yeah. It was like 20,000 in one day or something.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

You should get one of those because I play golf every day the way he played for two and a half days. Right. I want to know how many steps they get on a golf course. I see it all. Yeah. Now hopefully that gets better, but that would be cool to know. Like, how many steps do I take on a golf course? That'd be interesting to know.

SPEAKER_01 30:08

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Our our good friend Joe has a step counter. I don't, I think it's just an Apple Watch. But he counts his steps even like when he was working at his other job before this one, um, he counted his steps, and he would get, I think, and Joe, you can comment here, but I think it's 15 to 20,000 steps a day. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, that's athletic. I mean, I'm sorry. That's now my brother will chime in, and Trent, you can leave comments too. My brother talked about how it's a game versus a sport, and because just because there's athleticism doesn't make it a sport.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

So and of course we had this argument many times, and I never I don't remember ever getting a full answer out of what would be a game that's athletic. I can't think of one, can you?

SPEAKER_01 30:57

With those criteria?

SPEAKER_00 30:58

With just it's well, athleticism doesn't dictate it being a sport. You can still have a game and be athletic.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

I don't know, like twister?

SPEAKER_00 31:15

I have no idea. That's a game that's has to be at the athletic or you lose.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

That's just a good one. Twister. I don't know. I can't think of anything.

SPEAKER_00 31:22

So I I don't think that, like, you can't go the other way with it. So anyway, I just like that's an argument you could probably have forever. Interesting conversation. And you can go either way with that. But on the criteria that were brought up by those fellas.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Oh, nonsense. Nonsense. I just hear it. I think it's just nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

I think I think you're wrong a hundred percent. And I will stand my ground.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And I it's you know, the argument I made in my freshman or sophomore.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

I'm sure you were right.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Communications class.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

I'm sure you just needed to.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

I got three points. I don't remember what they were. Had my note cards, went through them, you know.

SPEAKER_00 31:58

So does did someone have to take the opposing side to that, or you just would walk up and just and then would the teacher grade you based on how persuasive you are? Okay, yeah, gotcha. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

Yeah, there was a lot of things. Did you get a good grade? I don't I don't remember. I think I did okay. Yeah. It was a pretty good argument.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

I like, man, I wish I had had that topic because I took that class after you.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:20

I don't I think I did something on basketball. I actually I did because I remember dribbling a basketball the entire time I was talking. That was part like I don't remember what it was about, but I remember I had to dribble the basketball the whole time. And at one point one girl raised her hand. She's like, Can you please stop dribbling that I can't really hear you as well? It's really distracting. And I was like, that was the first line of my argument was I can do this and still have and still have my communicate, like my debate. So anyway. That's funny. That was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Yeah, I didn't bring a golf club or anything to that. No props for you. Didn't have any props.

SPEAKER_00 32:51

But um well, if you argued it was a sport, you were 100% right, and that's why I'm friends with you. How can it not be? Of course.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Yeah, it was yeah. It was definitely a sport. Definitely a sport.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

All right. With that, yes, sir. I'm glad we agree. I did preface this and I told Matt before we came on air, or whatever this is called, before we we recorded, that I had a surprise for him.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

Oh yes. You did tell me that.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

But I did not tell him what the surprise was. And if you can look around, I didn't bring anything with me. You did not. So the surprise is gonna be a mental game for you. Mental game. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 33:32

And because we're doing this podcast, and because I'm doing this journey, and we haven't really in depth touched on what this is going to be about since we're going to go at least through the podcast together. And because I noticed a couple of things when we recorded last time when you were swinging for your golf swing. Right. We need to go down the road of what are you trying to do with this game that's a sport?

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Yeah. With this game?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

That's a sport. It's game time. Um and how are you going to improve for you? Yeah. Because what does that mean? How does that look? And I will say this, and do not take this the wrong way. I'm not going to continue playing with you if you're going to continue making the same freaking swing and complain the entire time. I actually was going back, so this is why this whole thing came up. I was going back pulling some clips from the last podcast, and I was going through some old footage we had on some a few rounds we played or we recorded. And there was on a couple occasions at one of the local courses we played at a couple T shots you made, and one was worse than Hok Tun Lee's shot on 15. And as soon as you hit it, you go, Oh, god damn it, Matt, come on. And you like ran over it. This is how bad it was. You ran over off the tee to go get your ball. Okay? Because it hit it went straight over to the fence. Well, the fence saved it from going any farther. You ran over and you were, it's at I think it was like the third hole, and you were super frustrated. This is one of the times you showed up, literally with three minutes to go for our tea time. God knows the last time you had hit a cough. And I got upset. And I remember like I watched this swing over and over again because for the audience that's listening, when I when I was when we had the clips for the last podcast and we did some pre-shots before that we were recorded last time, I was watching Matt swing, and I'm not trying to glaze Matt, but he has a very natural golf swing. There's only a couple things that I think he could tweak to go to the next step for him. I'm not saying that makes Matt a plus two handicap. Right. But what I'm saying to you is there's a couple things that I see you should change.

SPEAKER_01 35:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

And going back to the athleticism of it, that make you in a more athletic position and and allow your brain and body to connect in a more athletic way that would totally change and make those shots go away that I saw other places. And one of the things I told you to go do is get one of those like training aid golf grip things, which you did. Yeah. Good job. Um, that's step one. But he he you make such a natural move through the ball, and you and I are in the same boat. We had lessons when we were kids, but it's not like we had we weren't like prodigies of any sort, we didn't have a bunch of lessons, and that's all we did. So it was a little bit for a little while, but otherwise, for the most part, we've just kind of farted around with our own golf swings. Totally. Over the years, just trying to, you know, yeah, do our best, and we don't have that much time to play. It's like you have what you have kind of thing. Yeah. But if there's and again, as you're breaking things down, as I've learned on this journey, you can't just be like, okay, I gotta do this and this, and then you have 14 different things you're trying to do all at once. Yeah, good point. Instead of just working on do this until that is ingrained. Right. Right? And then that's natural and it's muscle memory, and then do the next thing.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

So Yeah, I think, yeah, no, I hear what you're saying for sure. I mean, it's something that I mean, I'm a naturally kind of a perfectionist kind of guy. Like I like to I like to look good whatever I'm doing. Right. And when I do something stupid like that, like it it's not so much the shot that I'm mad about, it's more that I feel like I I feel like I'm idiot an idiot. Golf's like that. I know. And this is just that's what it goes on. Right. And I'm not all I'm definitely not someone that expects my swing and my ball flight's gonna be perfect every time. Sure, of course. I'm very realistic and knowledgeable about that. So a lot of times it's more just like I know I don't like to look so stupid, if that makes sense. Oh, I think the um the the criticism is valid. And and it's okay that not a criticism. Okay. Not a criticism, but the poetry.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

I am messing with you a little bit, but but it's valid.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

And I and I think you know, I I recognize that you know the amount of time I practice, the amount of time I commit to stuff, I should not expect a lot.

SPEAKER_00 38:12

Well, and even going into the whole practice thing. Yeah. Are you you're not even going into a practice with what like something you're breaking down and work on, right? It's like you're just going to see how much.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

We've had this conversation a lot too. I mean, you're extremely good at feeling what your body's doing through the golf swing to for the most part. Like you understand more what what you're trying to do. And when you don't do it, you kind of get a sense of what happens. Sure. And I don't I don't feel that. Right. I I I literally don't know. And that and then that just partly because I don't do it enough, I know. Yeah. I know you've you know you've always videoed your swing. You've always watched your swing. And so you have a sense of that, I think, too. And that I I that's something that, you know, in this you know, as I've been thinking about this journey with you, like what I'm gonna take from it, I think studying my swing more and then implementing a couple of things from there too. So like because I I really don't feel my swing, I really don't watch it very much.

SPEAKER_02 39:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:13

Um so I I can't expect and I do think I'm a kind of a visual person. So seeing some of these things that uh you know repetitively will help me feel it.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Well, I would say uh doing a couple changes that are way different. Well, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Seeing it so you'll you'll be you'll be like you know, stand up this way or do whatever. Oh, okay. Now I see because I I if I'm up there, I don't know. I feel like I'm doing it. No, you're not.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Well, and that's with most people too, isn't it? Exactly. That's why video is such a great thing to have as a tool.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

So that's why that's so I I think to answer your question, like what one thing I think for me would literally just be get some video of what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

And studying it a little bit, seeing some stuff, and that's not hard to do. I mean, I've got a little tripod, I can bring my iPhone and just record some stuff.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

You know, so that would be one thing. And then yeah, I think seeing, you know, getting a couple of pieces to really to work on that are simple and start with that. Yeah. You know, I don't I I I've always felt pretty comfortable swinging the golf club. Yeah. I think it's never felt bad.

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Cumbersome and awkward, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

I mean, as I've gotten older, I've noticed you know I'm not quite as flexible.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

So that's which we both need to continue to work on. So that's yeah, could be part of it too.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

But you know, I so yeah, I mean I don't know. Does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_00 40:40

So it's I think for I think where I think there should be something is it's and and this is this is how my brain works versus lots of people's, but it's it's one of these like short-term versus long-term, you know, outcomes and and goals. And I don't always want to use the word goal because sometimes it's not a goal, it's an outcome, or it's a like a step to something. Right. Um, but if you like there's two things that I was talking about with you, is like a little bit of a grip change and then getting you in a more athletic posture over the ball. Yeah. I mean, you're we we talk about Rory all the time because you and him are like the same body type, like same height, whatever, like it's and he hits the ball a hundred yards further than me.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

A ton.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

I mean, it's his ball speed, yeah, is incredible. Yeah, so when we have this whole like, well, I can't hit it as far because I'm not as big, that argument goes out the window. Now, are you gonna hit as far as Rory? No, but that's not the point. The point is if you do a couple of things, you know, mechanics take some of that, yeah, some of that into account, and then bam, all of a sudden you're more accurate, you're hitting it further and more, you know, anyway. So I think you, again, going back to athleticism, as this is a sport. So getting you to stand taller, right? Because you tend to like, especially be right before you're gonna take the club back, you start squatting, squatting, squatting, squatting, almost like you're taking a poop. Like it gets that low sometimes. And the times where you get that low, I know you're not gonna make good contact. Yeah. Because you're you're now in a position where you have to stand up to go get the ball. Totally. And without like you're you know, you're good, you have good a hand eye coordination. Without that being on that day, forget about it. Yeah, I won't get it at all.

SPEAKER_01 42:17

Yeah, no, I mean it makes sense, but like I said, I I don't feel it. Sure. I I don't know I'm doing that.

SPEAKER_00 42:22

No one's said, hey Matt, we're on a course, you're getting a lesson, or whatever it is. Someone no one's ever made a comment, hey dude, stand taller, get away from the bendover, and then be like, how does that feel? Way different. Okay, no one's ever done that really. Not really. So you don't know. There's no way to know that. Yeah. Well, yeah, you get in these comfortable spots, and then our you know, our bodies get used to just slowly changing. I mean, that's why golf's so hard. Yeah, everything's just a little off one day versus another, but it doesn't feel any different at all. You know? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:51

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think you know, f from a practical standpoint, you know, I think a a a goal of whatever you want to call it would be to um yeah, not ha have those completely jacked up shots on around. Yeah. Like I know I'm gonna miss shots. Sure. But like just right.

SPEAKER_00 43:17

Getting rid of the oh goddamn shot, as we call it, because that's what it was on the video. Dude, I was laughing so hard.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

I didn't know you were filming. Oh, like we're not showing us.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

Sometimes like we'd set it up and then I'd like get just get out of the way because we're trying to like keep space up. And I would just I didn't grab the camera until everybody hit. So I'd forgot it was like even running. And I'm like, I mean, I had shots of my son, and you know, if some of the other guys that were playing with us, like we were just a threesun, there was some single that joined in, like some of his shots or hit her shots.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

I probably would not have done it if I would have known the camera was going. Of course. I definitely would not have done that. That's hilarious. Oh, there's there's yeah, anyway. So don't show me I don't need to see it. I think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

Well, that's that all gets cut. That's there's none of that, but it's just I have all the raw footage and like going through to find. You know, clips to put in. So it was like it just brought my attention to you know all the stuff we talk about about the game of golf, which is a sport. Right. And and why like we can't be that upset, and it's hard not to be sometimes, trust me. It's just you can be utterly frustrated at any level. But yeah, there's especially when you feel like you're making progress and you have a day of just like, what is happening? But totally. It's we have we have to have an expectation. And so for me, it's like I know what my expectation is. Yeah. And for you, we have to set one. And that that's gonna change weekly, monthly, whatever. Um, and I think one goal that I don't think is out of the realm at all of of not attaining is breaking 80 this season. Yeah. Go out, play 18 holes. I see no reason why, especially if you change a couple of things, you're gonna be oh yeah. If you do those things and get used to it, you're already gonna have a better ball strike.

SPEAKER_01 45:01

Oh yeah. No, I I I'm very clear I could get under 80.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

So if you do that, maybe find I mean, I disconnected with a swing coach, finally. Oh, cool. Um, and it's gonna be virtual for now because he's in another state, and I'll on upper other videos and episodes and stuff, I'll I'll talk about who it is and and whatever. But it's gonna incorporate a lot of um not just a swing coach, but also like athletic movements and analyzing my body to see what's got what's wrong, what's right, what can I can do, what I can't do, right? Kind of handicapping my body too, which is part of the program that he does. So I'm excited to do that.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Sorry, dude.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be it's probably gonna be really depressing at first. When he when you know you go through certain things like, oh, you you're not there yet, and you think, well, no, I should be able to do this.

SPEAKER_01 45:50

You're doing that? Oh, okay. No, that's good, man. So it'll be it'll be good. I'm I'm happy to hear you got it.

SPEAKER_00 45:55

It's gonna it's gonna be a little bit like, oh, or yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

So well, I think both of us are both of us are f pretty athletic in general. Like we're not uncoordinated deep, you know, but but there's athletic things to improve on.

SPEAKER_00 46:14

There's definitely some, yeah. Then there's there's a couple things that I just can't seem to get over the hump on. My lower body, I mean, and a lot of heels are, is has been a thing for me my whole life, but I learned to swing a different way. So some of it's habit that's going away, which definitely has has changed. But when you're doing self-taught stuff in this game, which is a sport, um again, not only just having video, but having a professional, yeah, put eyes on things because I can understand what needs to happen and and what I'm trying to accomplish, but someone that has a whole nother viewpoint on how to like give you something that makes sense that your body responds to to help you do that.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

Yeah. Great point.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

I'm like I like I told I told my wife the other day, I'm like, I'm basically out of ideas. Yeah, I've tried a lot of different things, and like, yeah, I'm working on too much stuff, so I can't really improve on stuff. I keep changing every like I'm a swing changer, and I gotta stop being a swing changer and just get to what is at the core of this, and that's where the professional, you know, PGA professional or a swing coach comes into the equation to say it's because of this, and that's part of this program too, is like, well, you can't you're never gonna be able to do that because we gotta get your body trained to do these things first. So we're gonna back up, we're gonna break you down. Um, so that's where I'm at, but I think it's super attainable for you to be able this season to break 80, which by the way, I don't have you ever done that? No, okay. So I just want to make sure that was because that I didn't think so. No, and if that was the case, we had to maybe come up with something else, but we could certainly put that in there. But so that's yeah, yeah. I think that's attainable for you this summer. And in saying that, the two things I gave you, that's pretty much all I'm gonna be able to do. I'm not a professional golfer, I'm not a teaching professional, right? So I think you should go find somebody, and I can refer you to a couple people too. Yeah, get a couple lessons this this spring and summer, right? And talk about where you're at, and yeah, there and if you do those things, yeah, we will check that box for you for sure.

SPEAKER_01 48:08

Yeah, I totally agree. Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember last time you had a golf lesson, so I can't either.

SPEAKER_00 48:13

Yeah. I mean, I really I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

I don't well I've never, you know, and and I just haven't had any Yeah, I just don't Yeah, I don't know. I I I should have had well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

I was looking at my notes like, did I write that down? I can't I think I was in college. Yeah, I don't know. And it was probably like a tune-up after 90 or something.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

I don't even know if I had one in college.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

Yeah, so there you go.

SPEAKER_01 48:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

There's there can't be a th club throw.

SPEAKER_01 48:41

No, you're totally right. I mean I have no excuses. It's hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 48:48

That and and then short game. Yeah, because for sure. We'll talk about your putting stroke later.

unknown 48:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

But and then this is and this is not like I'm not like bashing Matt. This is not like I'm saying Matt's a bad putter, but when he misses putts, or they're usually because Matt, I've watched Matt roll in some stupid long putts. Yeah. Especially when we're like in some sort of game, which is this is a sport, but we're playing games with a sport. And yeah, clutch time, you rolled some big putts. But I've also watched you miss some really, and that's what we do, yeah, some some silly short ones, but every time you miss a silly short one, I know why. Right. So if you can close that gate, you'd be fine. But short game. Yeah. And again, I I talked about short game areas to go like find a good place to practice. Short game.

SPEAKER_01 49:38

That would be helpful.

SPEAKER_00 49:39

It's not the course that's closest to us. No. There's other courses that we can you can go work on.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Some places, cool. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:44

They're not that far. Actually, I'll I should probably write down a list of the good ones I've found and we can share that. But um, yeah, then you can go work on that just as a whole separate practice. Because that's what I found works best for me. Is if I go out with a mindset of today, it's swing training. I'm gonna work on a drill. Yeah. But if I go, you know, a different day, I go out and it's it's short game or it's just putting, whatever it is. It's just like having leg day versus, you know, yeah, uh bicep tricep day or versus chest day, whatever. Sure. And that helps you focus. So those are my that's my input. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Yeah, I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

And I'd like to have something ahead of you. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:23

I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Yeah. Because then you can just keep track because as we're entering as many scores as we can this season, we're gonna keep track of all that very easily. Yeah. And I'm gonna keep track of stats, and as there's a couple apps that are out there, I'm gonna try one of them and and see, but you know, so I can kind of see where I need to as I get progressively. Like the swing is the swing, like it's there. Yeah, why am I not scoring? Find other areas. Cool. So feel free to tag along on that too. But yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:54

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

Good times.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

Yeah. So there it is. I will uh I will keep I will keep you accountable. You'll keep me accountable. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Um I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

And we'll see what happens. Yeah. Cool. Let's do it. That's all I got, bud.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Yeah, that's plenty.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

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SPEAKER_01 51:56

50 or something?

SPEAKER_00 51:57

50 or 60 courses now are loaded on here. Um and I will say I had a day last week where I came in here and I brought in three different drivers that I have to see if I could figure out if if because I'm struggling with my driver, especially my ball speed and what's going on there, if one of the drivers would be better for me as far as like fit. I do have a our Joe, our good friend Joe is also a club fitter, and I'm actually gonna go out there hopefully next month and get fit with him to check a couple things. But as it turns out, I was thinking maybe this isn't reading things right. So I tried all the drivers, and ironically, the oldest one seemed to have the best ball flight and numbers. I don't know why that is. Maybe I just who knows. But then I took it out and I tested my carry distances from here out to the range, and it was dead on me. Pretty good. Yeah, I was I because there was a couple like I'm not sure. Unfortunately for me, it was right. It was it was right now. There's a couple things I have I've figured out what was happening, and again, going back to the kind of the swing mechanics of my body, but whatever. But you know, why am I going down? I figured out what was happening, so we're gonna work on that some more. That has actually changed and gotten gotten better already, but this tool is so good to have because of that. So seriously, code scratch, all caps, 10% off any memberships. Yeah, swing 365 Colorado, check out the website, come in for a trial. You want to get better, I'm telling you, this literally works. So, Matt, yes, sir, jump in here whenever, man. Yeah, work for your game. We'll do. All right, that's wrap for episode four. Thanks for listening. Thanks for watching on the YouTube channel, on all audio platforms, and we'll see you next month.

SPEAKER_01 53:42

Until the next one. Later. See ya.