The Road To Scratch podcast: Two gloves and iron covers for the win

This is the Road To Scratch podcast Episode 5 of Season 1. In this episode Matt and Shane discuss Aaron Rai's win at the PGA championship and his road to get there, from being a child prodigy to wearing two golf gloves and using iron covers like a 25 handicap that just started playing golf. They also talk about a recent round they played together and how Shane is progressing on his journey to becoming a scratch golfer, plus what it is that Matt is working on in HIS golf game.

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SPEAKER_01 2:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:29

We just watched the PGA championship. We did. That was really, really interesting. And congrats to Aaron Rye, by the way. Tommy two gloves.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

That's a great win.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

That was a great win. Yeah. He played phenomenal. I mean, I thought there was a well, we'll get into it, but I thought there was a lot of chitter chatter after like day two, especially from all the guys playing in the tournament about the difficulty of the course. Yeah. Um stuff like that. So I I'll get your take too, but I'm I was I liked it. I liked how crunched the leaderboard was. Um there were so many names within a shot or two of the lames. I'm gonna talk like big names. Right. Yeah, there were so many guys there. It was amazing. Yeah, in fact, they I know I was kind of watching, you know, the uh live from on golf channel and stuff too, but I was listening to their stats. Yeah, and they broke a record after the first round and the second round for a number of guys within one shot, number of guys tied, and number of guys within two shots. Incredible. Which makes I know it's fun. Yeah, when you're playing in tournaments, it makes it even tougher because they have a you know, they have different cut criteria for who makes cut, who doesn't, based on some of that. So the more backed up the leaderboard becomes, the less some of the guys that are on the outside, not that far away, don't make the cut. Do you remember what the cut was? Plus three. Plus three.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

It was plus three, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:55

Yeah, because after two rounds, five under was leading, is that right? Or four on five under. I think it was five after two, yeah. So three three over was the cut line. Uh my guy Michael Block did not make the cut. He shot even par 70 the first day, played great. And then I think he struggled on the back nine day two, got really windy. Yeah, he's gonna be a good thing. He's not the longest hitter in the world, I think he was. Yeah, he's coming in from a long ways out on some of those par fours. I I mean it seemed like in the practice rounds, all the guys are like, this is there's nothing to this course. You know, 1520 under maybe could win this thing. And in the past, PGA championships have kind of had that personality, which I mean it's a major championship. I don't think it should. I think some of the courses they pick and the setups kind of dictate what happens there, but I was so glad to see that wasn't even double digits under par to win.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Yeah, it was amazing. I you know, the the level of like consistency on the score, like it didn't ever really change, like for like three days.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

You know, and then it's like someone would make a birdie and go one up, and then they'd give it away like two holes later, and they're you know, it's all tied up again, you know, and it was just up and down. Yeah, you know, and and I I I liked it. Yeah, I like I it was exciting because you thought you felt like yeah, anybody could could come back and win. You know, Rory was four over after the first day. Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:24

And he played his way right back. I mean, round two, he played his way right back.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Yeah, he was right back in it. You know, and it just you know, any other a lot of other tournaments, you know, four had a bad day like that, and then you're done everybody just runs away with it in front of you, and you have no chance of catching up.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

But here's Rory, he has a great second day, and he's right back in it. Yeah, you know, amazing.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

I think it yeah, and he was one of the guys that was it's it's funny to watch the press conferences and knowing what they're trying not to say but want to say. But I mean they were they were grilling all the guys about the setup and difficulty and what they thought about all of it. Um and if it was unfair or not, based on, you know, I mean, uh a lot of factors, but I don't see how any course is unfair if there's a guy, there's a group of guys that are under par after two rounds. Oh there's no way there's I mean, yes, these are the best golfers in the world, but again, if you're under par after two rounds, then it wouldn't be unfair because obviously some of these guys have figured out how to play it. They did, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

And I'll in a second I'll give you my take on what I thought was very interesting by some of the comments from I'd call them the younger players. And I'm saying like Rory's age and younger. Okay. Like none of the guys over 40 were saying any of this stuff, right? Interesting. Yeah, and I'm not picking on younger people, but um at the same time, it it's it's because golf changed at a point in time around that age group. The way it's played, the way it's learned, the way it's taught, all that stuff started changing. I think I had a theory. I was actually gonna talk to my friend Joe about this too, but we were and because we were kind of texting back and forth. He was working during most of the tournament, I think. But yeah, um, but I found it interesting that after like the first couple practice rounds, everybody was talking about how it's like it's pretty gettable. I mean, it's it's back they were talking about how how very gettable it's gonna be, and they're talking about 1500 par probably winning the tournament. Um and I kind of wondered at first why they were saying that because the way that course is set up, like you have pretty wide fairways for the most part, most of the holes. And yes, they were playing a little bit longer, but not much longer than the last time they had the PGA championship there. I did look that up. Right. It was playing, they moved some T's around, but it wasn't playing that much longer. But the wide fairways went right into really thick, very thick graph, crazy like hybrid rough, right? Yeah, that was there was no intermediate cut, which is really I mean, it's not normal for a golf course to have that. So basically, if you hit a T shot and that that T ball rolls, you know, towards one side of the fairway or the other, if if you're just off, you're not just off, you're in like four and a half inches of super thick, ridiculous rough.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

Right? And it had they had rain and wind, so it made that grass was just like it was eating balls.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

It was very difficult if you missed the fairway.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Yeah, yeah. And and they I think what happened was because the way that course drains, it drains very well. So after it rained, I think everybody was thinking it's gonna get softer and easier to play, and it didn't because it drains so efficient the way they've designed that course. Yes, Donald Ross greens, very turtle-backed greens. I mean, kind of similar to the way that uh Gusta is set up with not as much undulation, but the way that's you have these turtle back greens, I think false fronts, runs off the back, and you have fairways that are kind of set up the same way, and there's a lot of runoff. So if the water's draining really well after all that rain, think about where the ball is gonna go if it doesn't stay right in the middle of the fairway. See ya. Right. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that's what was happening. Yeah, guys thought they were getting T shots that were good.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah, it looked fine from the T. And they get out there and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So that that's what changed the that's what changed the dynamic of that course. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Did you see that one? I who was it? Um I can't remember who it was, but they couldn't find his ball. Like it was one, it was uh Yeah, that happened a couple times. Yeah, it was they knew right where it was, right? Like it wasn't like it was errant, right? It was just off you know, off the fairway. Like it was buried and they couldn't find it.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

You know, even in those situations though, I have a hard time with a ball getting lost. I mean, if you and I are out playing on an afternoon and you know, it's hard to catch it, and maybe the sunlight was awkward, and like I know it was like it we saw it cross over that tree, right? And you kind of walk that way, and you we just never find it. I get that. Like, we're the only two guys on the course, can't figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

You know, I probably walked over it, but yeah, why would why what are the marshals doing? I know. What are the volunteers doing? It was so bizarre.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

That doesn't make any sense. And I bet that's extremely frustrating for the guys in the tournament. Like, what do you mean you can't find my ball? You were standing here. Yeah, it's how does that happen? You had one job. Yeah, you have one job. What's the point of the reservation if you can't hold the reservation?

SPEAKER_01 10:15

You can take them.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

You can take the reservation. Yeah, and I it was that that that was because that happened a couple times, and that was baffling. Like, you what were you doing? I don't know. Weird and they're gonna be a little bit more. They're penalized to stroke, you know, having a I mean that sucks. I mean, yeah, lost ball, you gotta go re-tee. Yeah, that sucks. Um so yeah, I mean, I think the way those fairways drained made the fairways tighter than they actually looked. Like on paper, it's like, oh, they're pretty wide, most of them. But because those balls, if you're you know, it makes sense. They're and then you get goofy lies, and then around the green, they had all kinds of wild lies. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yeah, those those chips were not a not gimme's once, you know. None of those were straight. You had to really be on your on your short game. And the guys that were, you know, at least they didn't well. I mean, that that's what I was saying earlier. Like it's very one little mistake, you know. Next thing you know, you have a bogey, right? And that's what was happening to those guys. And it wasn't, you know, it's just so hard to mount that run. Yeah. Uh and the guys that did have like seven birdies and no bogeys, you know, they had started they started way back, and so they never got yeah, they never got ahead, but they never kind of gained any ground, other than like Rory like put himself right back in the tournament shit in 66, and then I can't remember what he shot Saturday, but it was good.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

68 maybe. He was right there. Yeah, I mean, Scotty was kind of Scotty's putting was Scotty's putting from old. Yeah, he was well, he missed a lot of short putts for Birdie's and par. Um, but he kind of hung around for most of it.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Yeah, he totally did.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

But just watching the guys that were playing, that were kind of just inching their way along, and again, that leaderboard never really separated itself a whole lot. Yeah, you know, there was like two clusters of groups with one or two shots.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

Three days, yeah. Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I feel like it was all just basically the same. Until yeah, what until like maybe 13 for Aaron. Yeah, Aaron. Yeah, yeah, A Ron. A A Ron. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:20

Yeah, on like yeah, well, I don't know, it was the back just he he made a couple he had a couple great approach shots. He made a a good yeah, he made a good putt on 13. Um, and then it just seemed like and he never gave it back. No, that was. He made some great par putts.

SPEAKER_01 12:42

Yeah, and made his par putts, of course.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

So he wasn't, yeah, he wasn't, he wasn't coming back to the field. And it again, yeah, you're right. There's no way to like there were some lower scores, but I think 65 was the lowest, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

On a par 70.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Um yeah, and he fit and that was uh oh god, what was his name? Aaron uh Andy somebody. Anyway, we were talking about it at Sage's party. Um because he went out early.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Oh, oh, oh, oh. Uh yeah, oh my gosh. Who went out and shot 63?

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Yeah, he was like seven under.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

I think 63. Yeah, you're right. That's right.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

But again, but he was he started so far back. He was so far back. But he was five under then. He finished at five under. Yeah. So in the clubhouse. In the clubhouse for like four hours waiting at five under.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

And then JT finished at five under in the clubhouse because he shot a great.

SPEAKER_01 13:43

He had a great, he had a great PGA.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

Yeah, he played well. I think JT's back, yeah. I think his he's quite healthy. Yeah, I was bad to see it. He was swinging it well. Um, yeah, and and and that was the thing, is like AA Ron never gave it back. Yep. And and then he made the bomb on 16. 17. 17, yeah, that long one. 54-foot putt or whatever it was. That was and that was like, oh, that's it. There's no way. Like he's two shots on 18 done. Yeah, so yeah, great. Three shot lead. I mean, good for him, by the way. Um it was, yeah, so that that course just wasn't gonna give anybody a whole lot. I that's what I a major championship should be that. It should be a brutal test. But if you not only are on your game, but know how to play the course, you will shoot well. Yeah. And that's how that's how any major championship should be. But I thought it was interesting to listen to some of those younger guys talk about how you well, you have to hit this shot here, or like, you know, certain fairways, it doesn't matter, it's you know, it's it's so much narrower, and you know, the couple of these pins, there's only several places they could put pins on the Donald Ross screens anyway. Um but it it struck it struck me how these guys play golf now, as opposed to I mean, when Tiger was really young and the older guys that he was playing against, um, they they hit shots. They can move it both ways, they could hit high, they could hit low. And Tiger grew up watching those guys and then learned how to hit those shots.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

That's a great point.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 15:20

That's a great point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Because a couple guys made the comment, they're like, well, yeah, but if you can, if you start, if you bring it in off the left, you can get to that pin. And I'm like, but everyone's saying, well, I can't get there. They don't know how to do that. They don't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

I didn't even think about that. Yeah, that's an interesting, that's very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

It's so like it's almost like the game now is like, how far can you hit it? And then recover if you need to. Yeah. And then putt? I mean, I don't know. Like, you're not having to do the shapes. Are we off again?

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Yeah, it's it's no, I think what it is, is like I was saying, I'm I think I'm just gonna keep moving back until I can get all the way up here. There's there's including Aaron Rye, hey, Ron, could hit some shots. He kind of learned how to play golf that way. He was, as we've learned, a prodigy growing up and had a very natural golf swing. So I think guys like that are more accustomed to learn how to just hit golf shots and not, and I'm not saying these guys are out there playing golf swing, because they're out there, they're out there playing golf. I mean, these are guys who are the best in the world, but hearing the even Rory sometimes was talking about, yeah, you can't get to that pin or this fairway is unforgiving because blah blah blah. But then there are certain guys saying I just I just have to hit down the left side and cut it, or I have to like hit a big drawer over this tree or whatever it was, and like they're hitting golf shots. And the guys that were hitting golf shots were scoring. Yeah, and it's most of these guys have and especially the really young guys, there's a new way of teaching golf, learning golf, and playing golf, and it's a very like there's there's all the positions of the golf swing and certain things everybody's trying to do, you know, whether it's like getting that re left wrist a little more bowed, and then like I see a lot of like even like the own your own golf game guy that's on YouTube, which by the way, he's got guys out there like Akshay that are playing well in the PGA tour. He's got famous students, but they all have the same type of golf swing. And that's great because at some point, yeah, you have to just the golf swing has to be repetitive. We know that it's muscle memory, but we've all talked talked about how it's athletic. But if you're not able to change a few things here or there to accept what course you're playing, you're only gonna be playing well on certain courses.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah, you're gonna find your course that you can play on every other course you want to.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

I listened to a lot of those comments and those guys were saying that. I'm like, but yeah, but why don't you just so then why don't why don't you cut one into 17 then? So something make that shot.

SPEAKER_01 18:10

And so you don't think they know how to do that very well?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I mean, not like the old how to do that. Am I capable of consistently doing that? No, I'm not that I'm not that type of a golfer. But and I'm not so yes, they know how to hit those shots, but under pressure, are they comfortable hitting that shot? They're not. Yeah. Because they don't practice that stuff, they practice repetitive, sometimes very mechanical robotic golf swing. Yeah, and I mean, debate me. I don't know. It's it's it's one of those things like you know, leave stuff in the comments and and say that I'm wrong, but I I that's what I was seeing, that's what I was hearing from these guys.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I don't know. Yeah, it could be. I mean I think in the past there was less uh focus on some of the mechanics of the swing in a lot of ways. And so you just sort of the guys could figure it out, of course, and they should uh obviously they're great athletes and all of that. And maybe now with the technology we have and all the things that can show swing path and s you know, ball, you know, spin rate and all the things we can get. Now we're starting to sort of figure out how to get that more consistent, right? Which leads to what you're saying, like a very specific type of approach to golf, which yeah, I could definitely see that like limiting you in some flexibility on of some shots, on certain shots. And when you're at that level, that's the you want to be able to do that. Right. And if you have trouble with it, that's something you probably sure likely should probably I would guess they would want to figure that out.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

I mean, if you're just a average golfer, you that probably isn't really that important. But if you're at that level, you don't need to worry about it.

SPEAKER_00 19:54

Because you're you should be shooting at the center of the green, you should be trying to hit you know one side of the fairway or the other, stay away from trouble, and that's it, and whatever happens, happens.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

But no, these guys interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:04

These guys on certain courses, they get, I mean, I I'll be honest, they get a little bitchy. Yeah, you know, when when someone's saying for lack of they're not using the word unfair, but they're basically saying this is unfair, it's only unfair because you don't know how to play the golf course. Yeah, you want to be able to step up there, pick a pick a target on the fairway, and then just swing as hard at well, not as hard as you can, but go at 90% with your driver, you know, 180 mile an hour ball speed, and just bomb it down there. And then you're gonna have anywhere between an eight-iron to a wedge in for most par 4s and even some par 5s. And if you can't do that, you don't like it. Or if you're forced, like if you don't hit a good drive on a par five, well, I can't go for it in two, that's not fair. No, that's because you didn't hit you, have to be able to hit targets, you have to execute the shots to execute the shots, not just like get it. I mean, in some ways, I think this is where Bryson is kind of struggling right now. Because for sure, and and he's got a really good short game. I think Bryson's pretty creative around the greens, but he's used to just taking like he's like, no one's hit it over this tree, but I can do that, so that's what I'm gonna do. Instead of thinking, should you do that?

SPEAKER_01 21:11

That's right. And then Well, the because because at the end the result of hitting it over that tree is you're getting distance, right? And you're getting you're changing the the second shot, but you're also bringing in a whole other slew of stuff that isn't really designed for that hole, right? Right, like a tree or a rough, or I mean, not that it's not designed for the hole, but you know, not as your second shot.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Um so now you're playing a different, almost like a different course.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Well, and I I think this is where I like it leads into kind of what I was thinking when I was watching this and like listening to it. Because I've I've heard this kind of commentary from the players come up in other tournaments, especially in a couple other majors, where like things were so you know, quote unquote unfair. And this whole this whole thing with like there's too much distance, and we talked about this before. They're they're gonna roll the ball back so it doesn't go as far, right? Because equipment's letting these guys hit it just so much further now, so especially the older courses where they want to play some of these prestige tournaments, the US Open, the PGA Championship, the British Open, it's they're becoming on some level too easy because they're running out of room to make the course longer. And that's the only solution they'd have right now is well, we just got to make the course longer, so they have to, you know, yeah, make it more challenging. And I disagree with that. I I think there's some courses like there's plenty of courses out there that don't you don't have to have a long golf course to make it difficult. We play golf courses, especially at altitude, that are not that long at altitude if you consider, but they're extremely difficult. In fact, we've had conversations about if you play up a T or two, the course gets harder. Yeah, it's harder, right? Why? Because there's now there's more things you have to think about, there's more trouble. Like some of these courses, I can play it all the way back from the championship tees, and I can be one of those guys, just tee it up, hit the driver, and not worry, just you know, pick a target in the fairway. That's not reachable, this isn't in play, whatever, and I can have to think as much. If they were to start adding other things to some of these courses and then tightening the fairways, because if they do those two things, now you have to think about I don't really want to be in the rough, but I don't really care because I can overpower the rough. All these guys are great out of the rough now because of technology and because of their mechanical process of a golf swing and their ball speed and their swing speed. So make the tr the trouble dip more difficult, make the rough more difficult, make the fairways tighter, and obviously make the greens worse.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

And that's what we saw this last week. What happens? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

That course is a Donald Ross course. It's old. It's an old one, yeah. And he's his his courses have held the test of time because of mostly because of his greens, but then the design around the greens add more trouble. I don't know. I don't I don't think we have to make courses longer, and that way, because the whole debate is well, if you make all these courses longer, then the average golfer doesn't have as much fun, because then we have to like add more T's. And so a lot of these courses can only be for PGA tour events and yada yada. I'm like, no, I disagree. Because the the trouble that's in play for the guys playing on tour will never be in play for the average golfer. For the average golfer, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

You know what I mean? Like, we've played courses where we're just like, what the hell is this trap doing here? This is bizarre. Like, why would and sometimes it's because it's from a long time ago. Right. And that was in play a long time ago, but sometimes because they've added it because they have prestigious tournaments, like high caliber tournaments, even their amateur events, they've added stuff to make it more difficult.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

From the back T. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

From the back T. And you know, if we're not even playing the back T, I'm like, yeah, I just bombed it over that fairyway bunker. What's the point of the fairyway bunker? Yeah. Did you see the T-box 50 yards further back there? That's what that's for. Oh. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Yeah, that's it's a very interesting conversation. I mean, and I think they did so that yeah, I think they did a great job of setting up that course then, you know, to really bring that out.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, it showed.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

I mean, it would required people to be so accurate and so consistent with their distances and with their yeah, their their targets, you know. Yeah. And if you weren't. I mean, it I we have there were people that were scoring some pretty high scores too. Definitely quite a few 70s.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Some guys blew up. Yeah, I mean there was I mean, like again, Bryson was an example. I thought he he shot like what 74, 76 or something. He wasn't even close to making the cut. I think like 78 or something. Yeah, he was high.

SPEAKER_01 25:38

He was pretty high.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

Yeah, round two was definitely higher.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah, but he had a rough one.

SPEAKER_00 25:42

But yeah, there's guys that are shooting in the 80s, and they're I mean, yeah, there's some club pros out there that got their butts handed to them. Right. Um, but they got to play two two rounds there. But yeah, it's there's I think the core speak for itself, and they don't like they didn't like it, shooting right around par. They don't like it. It's it's when they get challenged like that, it's because there's this unfairness theme, or um like Rory was talking about, he's like, I don't he's like, I don't like tournaments where there's so much cluster on the leaderboard. Yeah, he's like, there should be the ability. At some point, we should be able to start separating ourselves, like have the ability to separate ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Have the ability to separate ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

And that's where I was starting to think because I was hearing other guys talk, and I'm like, well, you do. Right, you definitely do. It's on you to score.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

So you know, like that one, like the set 63 on the final day. Like that's it's gettable. They were all you know, one after the other, birdie. So it was definitely that's I mean, gosh, but there's been like US opens where like the winner is like one under.

SPEAKER_00 26:46

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

You know, and there's definitely it's a bunched up leaderboard there. Yeah, there's that.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

I think it was kind of overplayed a little bit, but there was definitely plenty of um plenty of that going on before this. And I just think it was overplayed a little bit as far as like what that is.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Well, I don't think it's happened in a while in some ways. I think in at least for some of them, there was at least one or two people that separated out a bit. So you sort of had an idea of who the favorites were, and this one it was back and forth, back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Yeah, I don't remember. Well, I I mean, I know I I enjoyed that. I'm hoping the US opens the same way. Absolutely. I really think the open is I I mean, I don't like it where it's like just a lot of cluster where there's not like a lot of stuff happening. Um, like I don't want to see a bunch of guys shooting four over par. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see some sort of separation where there's like a group that kind of pulls off like the pel away from the Peloton kind of thing. But at the same time, I want them, I like hearing them complain. Yeah. Because you guys gotta make it's not you're not making golf swings, you're making golf shots. And no matter where you are, you gotta make putts. Yeah. And I just I don't think there's a there's a place anymore. If you if they talk so much about how they can do so much stuff out of the rough and around the greens, and they're clearly everyone's just hitting the crap out of the ball, then there really isn't a whole lot of room to complain about that stuff because you're saying how much better the technology is. And I'm thinking about like back in the 60s when these guys were playing, and yes, the course is a little bit shorter, but that didn't make it any like it doesn't change the dynamic of the course. The greens are exactly the same, and they're still making golf shots, they're still finding ways to get to pins. They were, and a lot more of them were able to do that, you know. So it I think moving forward, it's gonna be interesting to see like this generation and the younger generation on tour and just see where they go. Like these guys, I mean and there's guys out there that can definitely play that way. We we're we see absolutely and I think Rory can play that way. There's a lot of guys that are in that group that are like you just don't want to. Because it's hard. Listen, it's like Scotty said, it's the hardest. I agree with them, it's the hardest game in the world. Agreed. Um but it should be the hardest game in the world on the for the hardest level for you.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

And for that, yeah, yeah, on those specific tournaments.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Absolutely. It's a major championship, guys. Yeah. I know the PGA is the one that everybody thinks they can have the best chance of winning because it's never set up specifically as hard. Augusta's Augusta. Right. Right? The US Open is gonna be set up to just absolutely punish you if you don't hit fairways and greens. It's set up to play 18-4s golf. Like fairways and greens. Very much, yeah. And if you make your pars, you have a chance. And that's that's been since the beginning of time in the US Open. That the USGH sets it up every way.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

Unless Tigers unless Tigers playing Double Beach.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Unless 20, yeah, unless 22-year-old tiger shows up and says, hold my beer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

And goes 15 under or whatever he did then.

SPEAKER_00 29:59

Well, but who was but look what second place was. I mean, and that's when they talked about it. Last time I heard like the most complaining of this is unfair, it's not a fair fight. Right. He learned how to play a golf course differently than the rest of you.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Yeah, and he dusted them.

SPEAKER_00 30:13

Yeah. It's clearly you can make different scores here. So yeah, yeah. And by the way, you guys should all make more putts inside 10 feet like Tiger did, because that's how he won every tournament. He didn't miss them.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

He did not miss them.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

Those are the scores, as we know. Those are the scores that will make a difference. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

Well, it'll be it'll be interesting to see the US Open setup like this yeah. Yeah, Shinnecock.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

Yeah. Shinnecock is always a test. It's a test on the give on any given day. Anytime, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

It's a long one.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

It's a long one. It's all it's also another one of those, like kind of more of an old school feel.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

Um, yeah, so I'm excited to watch that. And I don't know. Yeah, I don't I don't know. Like, it's just weird how all these guys are showing up that are winning this one or one major at a time kind of thing. I don't know what where Aaron Rye is gonna be. He's probably gonna be on Cloud Nine. It's always tough to like show up to another one of those after you win one.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 31:12

But there's a lot of guys out there that, you know, I again, Rory's playing really well. Uh JT's playing really well. Yep. Um, Bryson always plays well in USGA events. He does. But outside of that, there's some really young guys out there. Akshay's playing really well. I wish he'd learn how to putt. We've had that conversation. Yeah. But that's probably why I can get a USO. Cam Young. He's Cam Young's playing great. Cam's playing great.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

I mean, Cam Smith showed up out of nowhere. John Romm is playing great. I mean, it's I think it'll be another kind of clustered big name leaderboard.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

I think it will.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Likely.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

Yeah. So yeah, I'm excited. We'll see, we'll see what happens. Um, I think I need to look at the schedule because are we I think we're on for next month after round one, I believe.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Oh, on Thursday?

SPEAKER_00 32:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

If I'm not mistaken, we'll find out. If not, we'll do the recap. But yeah, I think it's after round one. So we might be able to maybe even figure out how to go get it on there for a little bit of oh yeah. But that in the transition of that, I'm hoping we have our first guest for the next podcast.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Younger guy, if that's gonna be the guest. It's a younger guy that's making his way in the golf world, trying to become a professional golfer from an earlier stage where he was playing golf as a kid and a young adult and then stopped playing and then got back into it. Now he's a very, very good golfer. Um, he had a recently had a US help qualifier. But anyway, we're hoping to have him on as kind of a virtual, like, we'll be here and he'll have maybe Zoom or Google Meet or something. We'll figure it out. But so stay tuned, that may be our first guest next month. Um, so we'll I'll see if I can get that figured out and get it going.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Yeah, so if it works out, it'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah, especially if it's around the U.S. Open and we can talk about that a little bit. But um we got to play golf recently.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

We did. We did.

SPEAKER_00 33:08

It was only nine holes. Nine holes. It's okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

It was good.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Um, but it was fun. It was, yeah, and that was the first time I've played with you. I don't know. I know, at least a year. Yeah, it probably was well.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

We played the little par three a couple of times.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

We did that, yeah, um, but it's probably been close to a year, you're right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna ask you, because you had a couple things, little little things you're just like, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna start looking at this. And you you talked about getting a grip, right? Um, aid. Great. I did that, and a little bit of posture tinkering, right? More athletic. And how do you uh first of all, how did it feel going out? I mean, on a golf course always different when you're doing stuff with golf.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Yeah, that than on the range.

SPEAKER_00 33:52

How do you like as far as expectations go, how do you think you managed all that?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

Um well, yeah, I feel it was um getting the the grip trainer was I think really helpful. Just kind of got my hands in the right spot and just uh just remind I mean I knew kind of what I needed to do, but it's nice to have something that kind of puts you in that position. Um and then yeah, just having a few things to work on was like but yeah, you had so I think something like that. Yeah, I think for me what was been what was helpful is having a few goals to work on, right? You know, and just have in my mind a few things and not everything. I mean there's multiple layers and levels to work on, obviously, with the golf swing. Um, but at least having a few things to focus on and to think about and to get better at and uh start to feel better, feel it feel when I'm not doing it, when I am doing it.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

And that's why training training aids are so cool. It's because like you can get it and you understand what you're doing, but it it just kind of it's instead of having somebody put you back in a position or check your grip, yeah. You just put your hands on that thing or whatever you're doing, yeah. And I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, okay, and try it again.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

Do a few swings with it and then get a feeling, get a feel and do it again, right? Yeah, and as far as out on the course went, I mean I I felt like I managed the expectations pretty good. I mean, I didn't feel like I I I didn't expect much. So it I felt like I had some good shots. Um I thought I I did pretty decently around the greens, which was kind of fun.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

I mean, it wasn't amazing, but it was considering the standard and punched greens.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Yeah, I mean I didn't it wasn't amazing, but I felt like okay, this was passive.

SPEAKER_00 35:28

Considering you haven't worked on the hang out and yeah, we what that early morning.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

I love playing out in the morally morning. I I that's my favorite time. Yeah. Kind of quieter and you got the whole day in front of you. Yeah, it was it was nice.

SPEAKER_00 35:52

I would have loved to have played more that day, but yeah, I I I had that like I think you were the same way too, but you had to run to work. Um both of us did, but it was one of those like we got nut two through nine. I'm like, oh man, I'm just like we're barely getting started here. Yeah. Which is great because I wasn't playing great, but to be out there to like, again, like you were saying, work on some of that stuff and and try it out on the course. Like, I want to make sure I can, I'm re my muscle memory and repetitive and like understanding where to hit balls, like you know, course management is the biggest thing to get back into on the after the offseason.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

Yeah, you know, and just remembering, I mean, you're really good at remembering holes and knowing different things, and I I have a harder time than you do with that.

SPEAKER_00 36:37

So I have a photographic memory only for golf. Yeah, you're really good at that.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Yeah, Shane can remember all every shot on every hole. I can still tell you.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

Speaking of St. Angels I can still tell you both days with it. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

I have a hard time with it.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

So for me, quite psychotic at some level. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

But it just takes me a while to get back into the like, oh yeah, this is that hole that has this. Okay. Oh, I gotta go. Oh, right. You know, so the more I play the course, obviously the easier that is. Yeah, but um so yeah, we hadn't got we hadn't played that back nine of that course in a while.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

I was so excited to hear that we got to do that. Because yeah, there's so many times where especially in the season, like we're trying to fit in just any golf. Right, like in the afternoons, we're usually just playing nine holes. Now I'm changing that this year, but yeah, so we ended up like getting the front nine of a lot of courses and never see the back nine of these courses. So it was great that we got to do that because that used to be the front nine, right? And as it turns out, that's gonna be the front nine again, which is great. But but it was nice to see those holes.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yeah, yeah, we hadn't played it. It'd been a little while.

SPEAKER_00 37:37

So shout out Cole Creek. Thank you guys for that. So speaking of that, because I know there's been some like management change over there recently. Oh, yeah. And I walked in, I felt like we were either on candid camera or we were celebrities. That was a little weird.

SPEAKER_01 37:54

I know we both said that independently about how yeah, how nice everyone was in the in the golf shop. Yeah. We walk in and greeted me and you know, yeah, guys came out. Great to see you, beautiful beautiful morning, ready to play, and yeah, uh, you know, got my name, and yeah, okay. And I was I just hasn't been my experience in a lot of Pro Shop. Almost like, why are you here?

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Social media puts out all the time. Like the worst place to be is the you know in the pro shop because they're so crabby. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

So yeah, that was a great way to start.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Staff was very friendly. So Col Creek Golf Course in Louisville, Colorado. Yeah, go check it out. Staff was great. Thank you guys for being doing that, especially because I we had some young men playing with us. We did. Um, who are it's really annoying because I wish I was in that when you see some of that stuff, you just like God, I remember I could do that. Yeah, and I don't feel like I can't, but it's but it's so different, yeah. Yeah, you know, it's just different. Um, anyway, yeah. So they were they were very friendly.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

You got a few more miles on these bodies than I got plenty more.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

It's like it again. I think part of the reason I feel that way sometimes is because I did not take care of my body very well, and so I felt like a broken old man for probably 20 years. So, and that's it's going back to when I was young because I I had knee injuries, and as I've been, I was talking to Matt, I'm I've been talking about this, discovered that's causing some of the major issues with why I can't get through what I'm trying to get through on, really through the impact position, separating upper and lower body and making a much more athletic turn, which I used to be able to do, and I'm realizing now it's a stability issue.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

So back into the PT stuff, back into exercises for the knee anyway. Build stability back in, yeah. But I think that's why I like I see, like, when I see out the kids out there doing that, I'm just like, yeah, I have some advice for you guys. And Matt, obviously, Dr. Matt, you understand knee composition and the way things are put together. It's a horrible design. But take care of your knees, man, because you don't understand all the things you need your knees for. It's true, especially later, and how uh bad it can be if you wreck your knees. Like there's so many things, it's thrown off everything about my body. Yeah, and yeah, it's frustrating anyway. So I I can get back to some of that stuff, but it's just there's now a lot more work than there should be.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Yeah, it definitely takes longer when you're older to recover and build back that foundation, you know.

SPEAKER_00 40:34

And just remember things that you do when you're young will catch up to you if you're not smart.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

That's true. Be smart. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

When you're older, those things are worse. So you think you're invincible. And I was one of those people I thought I was invincible. I mean, not really, really. Ah, yeah, man, I'll be fine. I've just I heal so fast. Yeah. You know, it's I'll figure it out. Just, you know, just do work. Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that at all. And it doesn't matter how many times an older generation will tell you that, you're just like, whatever, they're right. You're not. And it happens. I am testimony to the fact that you have to, especially your knees. Yeah. We'll get there. But yeah, so we we got to play nine. The greens were not. Oh, yeah, that was unfortunate. That was very, very frustrating. They had them, they had them punched and sanded, and I understand, like, yeah, with the winter that we had and the traffic throughout the winter, because we don't normally get that much traffic in the winter time here. That's yeah, they had to do extra stuff. But I mean, we're well, you said we were playing Plinko. It was like the Plinko game, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:38

Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

And I was terrible at Plinko. Yeah. So it was that was the only frustrating part because I feel like I'm really with the new putter and everything, I feel like I'm putting better.

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Um, in fact, when I played yesterday, I I'm on a on greens that are in good condition, I was rolling it really well. Like I have a chance to get there.

SPEAKER_01 41:58

I mean, I feel like we easily could have shot five or six shots better.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

At least three shots I know I made good rolls on from five to six feet, and it just looked skidded out, or yeah, same. Like that was dead in the center.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah, probably should have just taken our score and subtracted five.

SPEAKER_00 42:13

Uh probably. Like inside five feet, it's good. Just pick it up and you know move on because there's no reason to try and putt this. But um, and it was a little windy, which was fun.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

Yeah, the weather wasn't great. It wasn't terrible. Terrible was fine.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

But yeah, so you got to be out there. I thought you're definitely your posture looked better. Yeah. Uh you got the grip aid, so that you know, you got a feel for that, which is getting that better. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 42:38

So yeah. Just picking a few things at a time, working on them, getting out. I've I have gotten out and gone to the range quite a few times this month last month. So that's good. I felt good about that. Yeah. And just worked on mostly uh mostly wedges and up to you know, maybe up to seven iron. Didn't really do a lot of not a ton of the other stuff. Stick with the middle, the lower. Just to dial some stuff in. I I did hit some other ones just to try, but I they I was mostly just working with the other stuff. And yeah, yeah, I felt yeah, I felt like I got some good work in.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:15

Which I think it's it's well, I think you know, one of the things I I kind of learned is that when I have something to work on, when I have a general sense of what I want to work on, it makes it a lot easier to go.

SPEAKER_00 43:26

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 43:26

Because otherwise I'm just feel like I'm just like swinging around hacking and yeah, if you don't have purpose to practice, don't practice.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Yeah, you're just gonna rehearse bad habits and and bad muscle memory, and then it's even harder to get out of whatever you're trying to do. So until you have, yeah, until you have a purpose. And especially like I I will tell everybody if you have the ability to go to get a swing coach, PGA professional, yeah. It doesn't matter how well you understand a golf swing, doesn't matter if like even with me with a video camera and anything, I'm like, I can see like what I'm doing wrong, right? I can feel it, doesn't matter. They always are gonna have the best way to kind of put things together for you to say just. Do this, and then you have, like you said, you have that thing to work on. Yeah. I can remember from the lesson he put me in this position. Yeah. So I just got to work on that position at uh and and that way it's more, and I've I've found by doing some of this stuff too. Like one of the I was told this recently too, but I've found that you don't go out and hit as many golf balls.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

Right. Oh yeah. I agree.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Because it's it's very it's very functional practice, right? Like you have this is what you're working on today, and you shouldn't have to do it more than 30 or 40 times. Right. Yeah. And then you should better go over and you better always, you know, carve out time for putting and chipping and kind of understand what's happening, and then that's it. There, I mean, you because people say I don't have time to practice, that's why I'll never get better. I know everyone has an hour.

unknown 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

30 minutes to an hour every day they could find something to do. And even if you're not at the range, like you can stand in your living room and and feel the grip. Absolutely. You can, you know, if you're in a position, like you're working on a position, you don't have to even swing a golf club. And no, my wife tells me I swing a golf club all the time, I'm ruining the carpet. I don't even have to do that.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

I can get in front of a mirror and rehearse that, and I'm getting better at that, so I'm not taking divots in the carpet anymore. Right. Good, good. Um, because I can come here.

SPEAKER_01 45:14

And now you have a place to practice yourself here.

SPEAKER_00 45:17

I can come here and I can get those numbers that I want to get. And like, and that helps with the consistency of like what's changing. Like when you're like, I don't know, I just feel like I'm hitting the ball straighter, but is it really getting any better? Am I just getting lucky? You can be in here and look at those things and watch, you can track stuff. So all of those things help.

SPEAKER_01 45:31

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

But yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. Like, if if you don't have an idea, like you don't have something you're going to work on, there's no reason to go practice unless you're just putting and chipping. Right. You know what I mean? There's no reason.

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Unless you just want to like get anger out or something. Something as hard as you can.

SPEAKER_00 45:51

So if you're doing that, hit a couple wedges, loosen up, and then go crazy on your driver and then go home. Get a workout. Yeah. Do yeah, speed test. Yeah. But don't think you're gonna make it any better. Just go out and like, I'm gonna hit as many hard balls as hard as I can, I'm gonna go home. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

Yeah, it was good. It was a good month to get out and looking forward to warmer, warmer days and getting out and it's been very cold and wet this month, which we I mean.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

No complaints.

SPEAKER_01 46:22

It's looking yeah, it'd be nice to get out. I think I think I might try to go and get out and play on Sunday sometime this week. We'll see.

SPEAKER_00 46:32

Yeah, I am uh I am playing uh Bear Dance. Oh, you are on Sunday afternoon with my father. With your dad, he's good. And that's a that should be an adventure.

SPEAKER_01 46:44

That's a fun one.

SPEAKER_00 46:45

Bear dance is a difficult test. Yes, it is. In fact, they've removed certain qualifying events and tournaments because of now. If you want to go to like Borderline Unfair, we might be there with that golf course. The greens are diabolical. Yeah. And if I mean, even for really good golfers, it's frustrating, but like if you're not dial dialed, then I'm I mean nowhere near that level. Right. It you must be fucking. And just get absolutely hammered. Get hammered. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm going out there with very low expectations. I'm going out there, really. I'm not saying I'm working, I'm gonna play golf swing, but in some ways it's just like I just need to commit to this, you know, this muscle memory, and that's all I'm doing right now. Nice. And it definitely, when I do it right, it is a completely different way of hitting a golf ball. It's wonderful what I've been trying to do for a long time. And just see what happens. Score is gonna be what it is. Yeah, I've already played it once now, so I know that's true.

SPEAKER_01 47:47

You just you played really fairly recently. Well, it's last fall. Last fall.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

Yeah, but I can remember the holes. I know where to hit it. I expect when I was playing with my brother last time, we were kind of experimenting like different lines. Yeah, and my dad wasn't able to help us because he wasn't really like he wasn't familiar with it.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Didn't know the course, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

So we like remember we a couple of times Trent and I would hit different balls, like I'm gonna take it over this tree, and I'm gonna lay up with this iron, and let's just see what's what works. So now I know which which way to place definitely more of those holes and what lines are actually lines, because a couple of times I hit drives thinking that was the line, and it wasn't and bye-bye ball. We get up there and we're like, oh, this is actually the wrong side of this to be on. Crap. And it wasn't like trouble or stuff, it was just like, no, it doesn't open up, or no, or you have a horrible angle, or you're you know, whatever. Yeah, you just didn't know where to go, just didn't know where to go. Just kind of yeah, so you're like visualizing from the T. So that'll help a little bit, but I'm kinda kind of go out there and play golf swing. Yeah. So I'm playing Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 48:42

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

And then I leave for Illinois on Tuesday.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Oh, that's right. You're gonna go see Joe.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

I'm gonna go see Joe. Yeah. And then Joe and I are gonna play Wednesday. Nice and Thursday.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

Look at you.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

And in between that, I'm going into the sim and get his work.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:59

He's gonna fit me and we're gonna figure out some numbers and what's going on with driver.

unknown 49:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

We're gonna go through a whole thing. He's gonna put me through this whole workout. So Wednesday I play, simulator Thursday morning, and then Thursday afternoon we go play again. That's gonna be a good test of my body at that point. Right. Because it'll be three days and three rounds in five days. Yeah. Yeah. So plus the simulator, which I know he's like, he's gonna give me a workout.

SPEAKER_01 49:24

Yeah, and traveling.

SPEAKER_00 49:26

And then there's the traveling part. Yeah, yeah. And then there's the Joe part. So all that being said, we'll see. I don't expect much, like maybe Wednesday I could probably play, you know, if I'm if I'm in there enough, but Thursday could be anything. Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:43

Um, especially after the seminar. I mean, I maybe just be like, I just hope my back doesn't freak out on me. I think I'll be all right. But yeah. Nice. So I'll get some I'll get some rounds in. I'll get some I'll get three rounds in that I can post and and see how things are looking. And I've got a PGA professional out on the course with me. Right. That can actually like perfect look at stuff.

SPEAKER_01 50:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

I can I tell him what I'm doing and we're working on, and he can kind of like give his input on it, and I have that, which I that's the coolest part. Plus, I get to be in the simulator, he's in the look at me for real. Yeah, that's gonna be awesome. So it'll be a good it'll be a good week for a lot of good information. I mean, get a lot of good information, a lot of learning. Yeah, and I think that's what I'm trying to look forward to the most, and and not really like get worked up or care about golf scores as much. I mean I mean I've got like this goal of 2.4 by the end of the season. I don't know if it's gonna happen or not, but that's gonna, but so it's kind of like, oh, but I don't want to shoot high scores right away. There's plenty of time left. Yeah, so we'll just see what happens. Or I could go out and just do it and and shoot well. I don't know. Maybe we'll see. Yeah. But I just need a few really crispy ones, and that's I always that always makes a good day when you just have a couple beaver tail divots and crispies, and a couple like catch the driver once, and just like, oh, that was a I remember that one. So that's yeah, so I'll have for the yeah, and we'll talk about on the next podcast, but I'll have that good start, and then I'm just gonna try and keep that train going. Yeah, so I gotta get you out there with me. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Yeah, we'll figure that out. Full rounds of go off, play some full rounds, try to get off early on some mornings, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 51:22

Yeah, get some early tea times um and get out there. And then there's a few tracks that I'll I'm gonna send you, I'll tell you where we should try and play. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty local they were. Plenty.

SPEAKER_01 51:36

All around and really good.

SPEAKER_00 51:38

And I will say I played the par three yesterday at Indian Tree. Yeah, and shout out to Indian Tree because that course is in wonderful condition, even the par three is it nice the greens are rolling really well considering that's a fun little course, and so seeing like because so like when I was walking down the ninth fairway to the green with my son, you know, and then fair it's all par three, but so like but the there's not really a fairway, but the fairway was in really good. Like we I just we had that like moment of like, wow, this is really I want to drop a ball here and hit a couple of chip shots right here because it was so nice. And I thought, well, if it's like this on the par three, then this course has got to be in decent condition.

SPEAKER_01 52:17

Of course, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

Another good course to go play. It's fun.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

I've not played that one yet.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

It's a it's a fun little course, it's not super long, but it's it's tight enough, and it's there's cool holes, fairly flat. I mean, there's a couple like cool elevated T's like out of nowhere because it's kind of just it's on a hill, but yeah, yeah. So it's another course to go play. But I'm like, this course is in good condition, yeah. Yeah, another good place to go hit golf balls, by the way, because they always have a like set up for their range is a nice condition, but they have a brand new turf set up too, artificial turf. Oh, right, it's even better than what they have at Indian Peaks. Cool. So if you want to go down there, yeah, when you want to go practice, I would say take check it out because it's it's nice. It's good.

SPEAKER_01 52:56

Yeah, right on. Yeah, good.

SPEAKER_00 52:58

Yeah, so we're I'm gonna I'm gonna see if we can by the end of the season. So we'll call it October. We'll put a list together of the courses we have to go play at least once. Yeah, and in the October podcast, we'll just go down the list and see how many we got. See which one we did.

SPEAKER_01 53:12

Yeah, all right, I like it.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

See what happens. Yeah, that'll be fun. Bally meal. Yeah. Bally meal.

SPEAKER_02 53:20

Bally meal.

SPEAKER_00 53:21

Yeah. So that's that's what I'm looking forward to. That's the week I have. Yeah, that's a great one. It doesn't sound like I'm gonna get much work done this coming week. No, you won't. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01 53:31

No, you're not at all.

SPEAKER_00 53:32

And I'll send you pictures. I'll get some I'm I'm actually considering too, is like bringing the whole camera setup. I need to ask Joe. Joe, you're listening to this before I leave. Maybe, at least on the audio version, maybe I'll have it out before I leave. I should have it out before we leave. Yeah. Um I'd like to film at least one round.

SPEAKER_01 53:52

Yeah, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

If we're all cool with that. So we'll see. Because I I I need to get more of that out there, but I'd like to film at least one round. And I want to make sure I get obviously the simulator. I'm gonna have the cameras in there so you can hear what Joe's talking about, what I'm doing, how poorly I'm doing things, right? How much he laughs at the better I get how much he's laughing at, yeah. How much he's just like, I don't I actually I can't help you. I don't know. This is way worse than I thought. You're a lost cause. Nah. Wow. I thought this would be no, there's there's you're right. There's no way that you're you know what? Nah. Do you like Pikinis?

SPEAKER_01 54:24

He's not gonna say that he's not gonna say that.

SPEAKER_00 54:27

No, of course not. I'm actually really excited to see what he has to say about all that stuff, too. I have some theories, but I don't think all of them are right. Um, I a couple of I know I'm right on because it's basically what I'm working on. I'm like, oh yeah, if clearly if I do that, that's you know, this is this is where power comes from, this is where consistent comes from. But the rest of it could be the driver, too. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 54:47

You're gonna find out.

SPEAKER_00 54:48

Yeah, we're gonna find out. Fixing stuff that has not hit the market yet that I might be able to hit or at least look at. Very cool.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

Um and and if there's anything that's you know too cluttering in the golf in the garage, anything at all, Joe, that is taking up space. Let us know. Let us know.

SPEAKER_00 55:08

We're happy to help you move it out of there.

SPEAKER_01 55:10

Five wood, yep, putter.

SPEAKER_00 55:12

Anything, anything that's just yeah, whatever. Yeah, yeah. He did send me a picture today. Yeah. Uh the new McLaren irons. Oh. He looks like he was getting to test those out, so I'll I'll find out about those too. So stay tuned. But that's uh those are interesting. Yeah, yeah, that was very interesting. Um who knows? Maybe I'll come home with a new set of irons. I'm kidding. Yeah, my wife's probably freaking out. No, no, no, I'm fine. Golf swing first. Right. But there's a lot of irons out there I like. Yeah. So at some point, that will certainly happen. But until then, yeah, we're gonna get your info. Let's just figure out the driver. Yeah, and figure out what's going on, and we'll work off that.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

Yeah, good plan.

SPEAKER_00 56:03

So I'll come back with some scores of some sort. A few at least.

SPEAKER_01 56:06

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:06

And I will share them with you. Okay, then we will come back and play some more golf.

SPEAKER_01 56:11

I like it.

SPEAKER_00 56:11

Deal?

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 56:15

And then there's this. And then we well, that's it. That's all I got. You got anything?

SPEAKER_01 56:20

No, I'm good, man. This video. You covered it all, I think. I think we did, yeah. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

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SPEAKER_01 56:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:43

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SPEAKER_01 57:02

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 57:04

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SPEAKER_01 57:21

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