Ep. 91 - A Beautiful Conversation w/ Normal Guy & Avid Outdoorsman Jared Jones

This week, we sat down with Bradley’s longtime friend Jared Jones from St. Louis. Some might say he's just a down-to-earth, normal guy with a lifelong passion for the outdoors!

From hunting and fishing since he was old enough to tag along, to discovering a newfound love for hiking and an old found love of chasing morel mushrooms through the spring woods, Jared shares stories, experiences, and lessons learned from a lifetime spent outside.

Whether you're a hardcore outdoorsman, a weekend adventurer, or just someone who appreciates the simple joys of nature, this episode is packed with relatable conversation, laughs, and authentic outdoor passion.

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SPEAKER_03 0:09

Hello and welcome to Busted Knees and Pretty Trees. As always, thanks for coming along. Much appreciated. Today is the start of our 10-week, 10-episode countdown to 100. To get us started, our good friend here at Busted Knees, Brad Greer, has invited a good friend of his own on the show today. I very much look forward to our chat because I know our guest can help me fill in some of the missing pages to the Charleston chapter of Brad's memoir. You know we love speaking up for the folks working hard to keep this land beautiful and available. We've been very lucky to have such passionate and knowledgeable keepers of the wild on our little show here. Researchers, educators, volunteers, and even visionaries, all of which play an important role in conservation efforts. In those conversations, we've always mentioned the importance of our responsible hunters and anglers and their massive contribution to the whole of American conservation. Providing big bucks. That's sweet dough. Racks on racks on racks. That might be cheesy, dad jokey, but I did kind of turn into cool hip-hop hop culture mashup.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

That's how I took it was cool hip-hop, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

So nicely played. Not only is the funding important, but hunters and anglers bring a spirit and voice to the dialogue that only those who exist within it can. We've talked about this before with our friend Joey and cous We've talked about every time I see his fucking name, dude. We've talked about this before with our friend Joey and cousin Dennis, but it's always good to take another gander from time to time. I'd like to think the three of us have become a bit more knowledgeable on these topics, and I'm excited to get another perspective from an experienced lifelong hunter and fisherman. It's gonna be a great episode. I am Travis White. We have here Brad Greer and also Patrick Richardson. Yo. Welcome, fellas. Yes. Yeah. And our guest today, Southern Illinois native. But who's your b-ball fan? I'm guessing there's just not a lot down there in terms of basketball in Southern Illinois. He first met Bradley on a vast aircraft assembly floor, slapping together those sturdy 737 Maxes down there in Charleston, South Carolina. That was 20 some odd years ago. Some odd years later, he nearly killed our noble knotsman on a morel hunt in Illinois. Lifelong hunter and fisherman. Brad described him as a normal guy. Please welcome Jared Jones. I don't remember saying normal guy.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

You did. You're like, just like a like a normal guy.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

He's like a normal guy. You know, I we've never met him before. And he's like, normal guy.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

Normal guy guy. He's just hanging out, having fun. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

I feel like I would never describe Jared as a normal guy. I think it's written in the show notes.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

It's written in the show notes. Huh. Yeah. Jared, happy to have you on, bro. I'm sorry about this long uh tech technol technological break we had here, but I am fucking happy to finally meet you.

SPEAKER_05 3:39

Yeah, fellas. Uh appreciate you guys having me on. I uh braved it through the technical difficulties, but that's why got me here, right? So uh that's why we give everybody a heads up.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Like if you have a favorite drink, you better be drinking that because who the fuck knows how this is gonna go in the beginning, you know? Yeah, prepared.

SPEAKER_05 4:01

Yeah, no, it's great to meet uh you both, Patrick and Travis. Lots of stories, obviously, with uh B Rad on the old uh 78 production line, but uh at the same time, uh yeah, uh not the 737 production line. Southern Illinois uh met a guy from the very top of the state of Indiana, and we're both Cardinal fans and Indiana basketball fans, and we met I met on my first day there, so that was kind of random.

SPEAKER_03 4:31

But uh in Charleston, South Carolina.

SPEAKER_05 4:34

In Charleston, South Carolina, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:37

You guys were I know you weren't building 737s. I know you were making those 787s, but I always like to make fun of Brad whenever one of those Maxes falls out of the sky.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

How uh how did you Brad or Travis kind of mentioned it, but being from South Carolina, meet or in Illinois meeting Brad in South Carolina, what's the IU story here?

SPEAKER_05 5:04

Like oh, so the I IU stories uh pretty uh pretty straightforward. So both my parents are from the Evansville area in southern Indiana. So they're they're both a couple Hoosiers. So uh when I went to uh Thanksgiving, you were either a Hoosier fan or you were my one cousin, and I didn't want to be him.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

So yes.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

Knight makes good choices, Jared makes good choices, y'all. As much as we love Gene Katie, Bobby Knight's the man.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Yes. I always liked Bobby Knight more than I did Gene Katie. Gene Katie looked strange, Bobby Knight was crazy, but at least he looked normal. Like we're gonna be like an old man. Gene Katie looked like a bit haggard, you know?

SPEAKER_03 5:52

I think I would play better for Bob Knight just by layers.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

He would literally kick your ass if you could or throw a chair at you or choke you or something, probably depants you in the whole.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

So, Jared, you're in St. Louis right now, correct?

SPEAKER_05 6:07

That's correct, guys. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 6:08

What are you doing out there?

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Uh so I'm still working here in St. Louis uh for Boeing. So uh still plugging away. Uh I work on uh the military programs now, though. So it's a lot different than what we did down in Charleston, which was uh my job there too, was more hands-on, where now I'm not as hands-on with the products. So it's a little different, but uh, but definitely enjoy being on the military program.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Yeah. You are uh the way we have our show notes written is you are normal guy, backslash avid outdoorsman. That's this a correct, uh correct statement, at least the second one.

SPEAKER_05 6:53

That's pretty true. Uh I'm I'm I'm willing to spend my T PTO for uh for being outside.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Hell yeah, man. Hell yeah. Hunting, fishing, gathering. You are from what I understand about you, you are kind of like you're you're an everything. You're you're just out there all the time.

SPEAKER_05 7:13

Yep. Yep, that's pretty much the uh the flavor. These days it's a lot different than it used to be. So types of things and the time being able to be allotted, but you know, everybody works for something, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:29

So are we gonna have uh time to get into Brad, or do we want to start with you, you and Brad's adventures in South Carolina, or do we want to start with I have a few questions pertaining to the South Carolina?

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Segue as far as I'm concerned, Travis. Let's get into it, dudes. Let's take this break. Let's go pee. Let's fucking grab a beer or something like that, and let's get started with the episode. What do you say?

SPEAKER_03 7:59

Yes, and do not touch your audio equipment.

SPEAKER_00 8:03

All right.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Everybody put your hands up, walk away, put your hands.

SPEAKER_00 8:08

Don't breathe on it. All right, all right, all right, let's get let's get into this, bros. All right, let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

All right, well, like Travis mentioned, me and Jared lived in Charleston for well. Jared, what year did you leave Charleston? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_05 8:37

So I moved down there, I think it was March of 2011, and I moved away. It was actually like uh oh, the summer of 2013, I think.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Okay. So about two years. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

Yeah, it was about two and a half years, a little over two years. Two and a half years of yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Well, so like one of the things we would do is we had a friend Danny, who I think we're we'll have on someday. And Danny agreed to come on as well. So if you say anything, Jared, uh, he'll have his time to rebuke any statements. Uh we would go, there would be a bunch of us would go camping on it's called Capers Island just north of Charleston. Patrick, you were on just on Bulls Island, which was like just north of Capers Island, which was all of its gorgeous. Yeah, they're like they're the largest uninhabited islands on the east coast. So they're pretty massive. I didn't know that. Yeah. At least that's at least that's what I always heard when we were Charles.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

The old sailors in the bars. Drive by geography. That's fun.

SPEAKER_05 9:50

As South Carolina natives tell it.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

You gotta believe them. I guess. So we would go, you could like you could get permits and camp on the beach on this island all day. And it had parts that faced the Atlantic, they had parts that face the intercoastal, and then like the bay, I think it's Capers Bay or something, that comes in, and it's a huge open inlet. And so we'd go on a Friday. You can only get there by boat, take a boat out on Friday and come back on Sunday. And there'd be weekends where Jared would be standing on the island like a dog, just like, I don't want to go, I'm not done playing. Can you guys just leave me out here? And there were many, many times where Jared's like, no, that just fucking come back next weekend and pick me up.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Dude, congrats, Jared. You don't want to leave that. That's stunning.

SPEAKER_05 10:43

There's there's a lot of lot of things that'll drive a guy to think like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Uh is it more you don't want to go back or you don't want to leave where you are.

SPEAKER_05 10:54

Well, no, that's kind of a lot of things. It's like, you know, there's going back to work with B Rat on the production line, you know.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

You'd miss that. You would miss that.

SPEAKER_05 11:06

No, going back to work makes you not want to leave, but what makes you want to stay is just like, you know, being there. Um I'm pretty sure we just uh we just kind of every day would just wander around that island and find the largest, lightest driftwood to make sure we could keep a fire going.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

Yeah, something that people would probably pay hundreds of dollars for. We would drag back to our bot time. For sure. Well, so I like it it made me curious. I have a multiple choice question. Out of these four, which would you choose? Like if we had to leave you somewhere for a year or six months.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

That's a long time.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Would you rather be left somewhere in the Appalachian Mountains in a Midwest National Forest, or you can stay on Capers Island or anywhere along the continental divide out west. You had to stay there for like a year.

SPEAKER_05 12:11

I had to stay there for a year. Well, I I I'm pretty sure that uh that you know me well enough to know that I'm I'm pretty much a homebody.

SPEAKER_01 12:22

Jump me off in Murfreesboro.

SPEAKER_05 12:24

I oh man, you know, I'd be it would definitely be uh deep in in the Midwest in the Shawnee National Forest for a year. I mean you know, we would yeah, there's plenty of uh plenty of action down there year-round, and just you know, be being where I'm from and and loving what I do year around there, I think that's where I'd have to go.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

Man.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Long weekend, a couple weeks anywhere, but I'd say that would be the end all be all.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

When you say uh there's plenty of action around there, are are you because I guess just the minimal research I've done, are you talking about hunting? Are you talking about getting out there and hunting? Or is there shit to do?

SPEAKER_05 13:10

Well, yeah, it it's a large mixture depending on the time of the year. So um, you know, I'd say, you know, fall time frame, yeah, hunting and whatnot, right? Into that early winter, but then uh I enjoy about that January time frame is I know something that you guys do often is is hike, right? Let's go, yes. Putting some tread to the floor. So I think that that's that's probably uh you know, the winter months. You can hike all day, uh and and and stay warm because it doesn't get too cold down there, you know. It gets below freezing, but it doesn't get too cold. So that's that's probably that uh you know, you turn over the spring, you got fishing and morel hunting, right?

SPEAKER_01 14:00

So um we're gonna get more into morel hunting.

SPEAKER_05 14:05

Okay, so so I'll I'll hold back on that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 14:09

Talk more about the hiking. I'm curious. I guess I guess some of my research didn't lead me in the in the hiking direction, and and I love that. I well, I mean, we are a hiking backpacking podcast at our core. That's kind of how we started. Uh, but tell me about some trails, tell me about the scenery. Like, come on, lay it on me.

SPEAKER_05 14:28

Let's do it. So um, yeah, I think I think the hiking is is a big thing down there that is kind of like hidden gym. Um there's a lot of places, a lot of uh marked trails, but um as B-Red knows, I'm not a beaten path type of guy. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Well, and this to clarify too, it seems like all of southern Illinois is like this. There's a lot of national forest, there's a lot of parks. And kind of like southern Indiana, it's there's it's pretty wide open, right?

SPEAKER_05 15:00

Yeah, that that's that's spot on. I don't know how big like the Hoosier National Forest is, but I think the Shawnee spans almost like 40,000 acres throughout Southern Illinois.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Damn. Yeah, that was my first thought was I wondered how it compared to the Hoosier National Forest.

SPEAKER_05 15:17

Yeah, so there's a lot of places, and uh one of one of the popular places I would say is that's on the beaten path that is that is one of the coolest beaten path places, is a place called the Little Grand Canyon. Um, right there in southern Illinois. It's a pretty spectacular hike, and it kind of goes along bluffs a little bit and then down into the canyon, of course, and that's that kind of connects the Illinois to the Missouri side on the Mississippi River Valley there. So cool stuff.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

Is there a river that runs through that little Grand Canyon?

SPEAKER_05 15:53

There's not. There's not a river that runs through it, there's a river that runs next to it. So yeah, yeah, a lot a lot of springs and uh spring-fed creeks and things like that down through there.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

Crakes or creeks?

SPEAKER_05 16:09

Well, I mean I know what you're talking about, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Uh well, so uh I know I know you kind of were able to grow up outdoors. Talk a little bit about because like your family has property close to Shawnee, right? And you you grew up in a pretty big hunting family in general.

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Yeah, definitely, uh definitely that. So I would say that uh really when it got to be late summer after baseball was over into the fall, um yeah, it would be wake up Saturday morning and dad tell you to go put your jeans on and grab your camo sweatshirt and we're going out. Squirrel hunting, you know, looking for deer sign, also for deer season, that type of stuff. And then uh really that kind of transition through uh just through my childhood. A lot of that, and then in the spring, uh, you know, morel hunting. But one thing that I used to do that I don't do anymore was I grew up um along the river, and we would run river nets for catfish when I was growing up. Yeah, so that was something that I remember being outdoors a lot in the summertime doing there, late summer and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

So what was that river?

SPEAKER_05 17:35

Uh well, there's the big muddy river down there. Uh that rusty one.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

That's that's the one I asked you about. Yeah, that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_05 17:43

Yeah, so the big muddy river. Um, yeah, you guys wanted to kayak that.

SPEAKER_01 17:50

Well, it was on the list of researching. Yes. And then as soon as I saw where it went, I was like, oh fuck, I know Jared knows what that river is.

SPEAKER_05 18:01

Yep. Yeah, you can take that all the way to the Mississippi, but but yeah, that's uh, but yeah, a lot of time outdoors growing up that's led to, you know, just finding different things now, really. Um outdoors, I wouldn't say it's different, but different types, right? So like back then I didn't pull a linefish, whereas that's kind of what I do now. So yeah, lots of time outdoors growing up. But that was all, you know, my dad, he drove all that. So having having parents that are invested in that helps out a lot for sure.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

We uh sorry, Brad. We've had uh the opportunity to talk to a couple different hunters and fishermen, my cousin and Ricky included, and one of the things we kind of talk about is just kind of like where the future of hunting is hunting, fishing, angling, you know, like where that future is going. Because it seems like in in a couple in both of their opinions, that it can be very kind of um gate-kept, lands, uh, the knowledge, the ammunition, things along those lines. But a lot of what they what they're doing right now is learning how to teach the youth to get out there to hunt, to be a part of that conservation program, whatever it might be. Uh do you do you in your older years as you're kind of moving away from the active stuff, do you find yourself also kind of wanting to bring up the younger dudes, the younger people?

SPEAKER_05 19:36

100%. I think that that's that truly is the focus now. Um especially I used to be V Red knows I was pretty avid deer hunter, and I still am. However, it's just like, you know, I still I have nieces and nephews, so it's just kind of like, you know, taking a step back and watching them want to grow in that space, and I guess you shouldn't say sacrificing, but it's kind of like, you know, here you know, here's my hunting spot and teaching them, right? So yeah, is way more rewarding than taking it for yourself, right? And and see it in it and want to invest in it. So um, yeah, there's definitely a lot more opportunity for everyone, which I think is a good thing also. Um and I would say this is something that I I I kind of was thinking about was kind of how during COVID there was the whole outdoors boom, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Because we can't we we can no longer go for real. It's still happening.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

That's why it sucks. I feel like people got hooked.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Yeah, it which is great, which is great.

SPEAKER_05 20:52

It is, and so yeah, B-red. So, yeah, you made a good point, is like, you know, people got hooked, which this is a tough balance for me, who feels like I've been able to be in the middle of nowhere always. Whereas there's more access. Um, but I feel like that's a good thing because I also feel like that that's bringing awareness to more funding being need for conservation, right? You brought that piece up as well. And so something like that, I think, is is a big deal for the future. So uh maybe a little sacrifice for what I uh personally would enjoy more is better for the greater good. Um, however, one thing I do kind of see going on uh that I don't like as much is more the national park vibe as opposed to the national forest vibe. You know what I'm saying? Or opposed to more nature, so to speak, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Yeah. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

Um that's the one thing that I just hope keeps it. uh I guess integrity, right? Because that's that that's why we all go out there.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

So yeah, I understand that because I don't I want to avoid like the touristy areas. I do want to the reason I go out there is is to get away from everyone and everything.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Even if I am on somewhat of a trail, I don't want to pass you on a trail, right?

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Whoever you are. That's always the worst part about a backpacking trip is the beginning and the end. You're just surrounded by like day hikers coming and going for the day. Just laughing a good time.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

You know, they paid their way in. They paid their dues their dues and what they do.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

That's why the parks are there. That's how you get hooked.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

And it you do get hooked and and I and I will also comment on what you said Jared is just you know we've talked a lot about the hunting and the aspect that comes from like how much hunters pay into conservation through the Dingle Johnson and the Robert whatever actman Pittman Act. And I think that's and I'm a backpacker and I go to these places all the time and I pay 35 bucks but none of a lot of my money goes to the conservation of national parks goes to the conservation of just public lands overall. So the idea that I mean honestly like what you're doing teaching your the younger ones around you to get outside to hunt to do those sorts of things is probably on like in terms of conservation on a better level than like what I'm doing just trying to get my son out backpacking. I mean which which we have a great time doing but the money comes from you guys and and hunting and then you guys taking the opportunity to teach the next generation of of hunters and anglers to get out there and do it and pay the money. I mean that's it seems to me like that's exceptionally important in the grand scheme of those national parks the state parks the rivers the the public lands well it's all of it for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

I mean you definitely want them to just be wanting to be out there in general like what you say you're doing with their son right I mean being outdoors is like the uh the goal right invest in that so I think any time spent whatever you're doing whether it's backpacking fishing hunting um going out there to learn whatever you want to learn about nature right so that type of um yeah whatever it is to get you outside hell my freshman year of college I went to college in the city of Chicago and one of our studies was to go sit out in a park bench and put French fries out and peanuts out and see which one they like more and to be out in nature and I enjoyed it so you know somebody out and enjoy it really I agree I agree I agree so I've always known Jared as a hunter but in recent years so like normally for a while there Jared like once a year we were we were having a Charleston reunion where we'd go back to our friend Danny's in Charleston and re in one of the recent trips I remember you saying you think you might start to like morel hunting better than whitetail hunting. Oh wow you were talking earlier your priorities are changing is that is that still a factual statement or did did I mishear you? I'm very curious about this answer. Yeah me too I would say that yeah they're kind of like one and two yeah yeah yeah but which one's one and which one's two depends if it's spring or fall true true and how many you get this dude finds so many morels that it makes me question my eyesight.

SPEAKER_05 26:01

I'd say the thing about morel hunting is just it's you know there's a lull between deer season and when morel season is so deer season ends what like right there at the beginning of January and then there's just kind of a few month period about three four month period of just kind of walking around hiking and enjoying it but you're not really anything except for a good time.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

It's simple it's a you can just go you don't have to really prepare you know put your boots on and when's when's the best when's the best shed hunting month so yeah the the whole shed hunting is usually right there during uh like the winter time frame leading up to morel season so if you if it goes into spring the sheds oh no man they stay good for years it's a bone oh yeah yeah you just said they were gonna rot you weren't thinking that well that's what I was asking like why there's the best season to go looking for 'em yeah any season between now and 15 years from now it seems probably just a season when there's nothing else to do you go shed hunting or you go early enough in the year so that other people don't pick them up before you get there.

SPEAKER_05 27:15

You can do that also but you don't want to run them off too early because if you run them away then they run away with the somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

So there's kind of battles to that I that side tangent was because like one thing I've sp you showed me once that I thought was super cool was like you had the same you got the same the sheds from the same deer for like four or five years. Yeah this one right was it like a four years whoa yeah we found the sheds off deer for about four or five straight years and then uh then uh I I I killed him that one year so yeah he was he was a local deer but yeah it was cool because you used like you had him displayed in your living room like like the European mouse yep I had a European on that one so is that the with just the skull yeah and the like a European mouse like when you bleach the skull out yeah yeah so I had uh some family members up in Maine or my mom and dad that lit moved up to up north Maine Madawaska and they had some neighbors that uh were that they uh uh shed hunted for moose oh those are a lot bigger than we would yeah when we were up there we would just snowmobile around they would make fun like one guy Richie I think is what his name was he like made a chandelier out of them all of his little lamps like his table lamps and everything were made out of moose antlers it was cool man is it valuable have like an arm like an armrest on your toilet on your shitter just like that'd be sweet can you sew it together and like make clothes out of it no it's boom right yeah it's hard as well yeah yeah it's hard yeah anyway so so so the morel hunting thing Jared took me to a place once we won't disclose the location it's top secret but the hills what degree would you say those hills are Jared they're like it's it's insane Jared about fucking this is where Jared about killed me and I kept falling like I would fall and smash the morels in my backpack and Jared would yell at me I've heard this story before it was uh yeah it was god damn B Red you get up quick released man stepping on our bounty you know rolling down the hill smashing them they're just flying everywhere but it was like this shit the dirt the soil was like super loose and like black fertile soil like a mob in the 90s I was about to have to put a leash on him so he didn't fall over yeah it was crazy I mean isn't that how morels grow though is these were like 60 degrees on a slope these were like 60 degree slopes like they were so high a lot of uh so I yeah a lot of old uh you know disturbed areas for sure but very steep uh very steep slopes and one um it was an old strip mine so whoa like it was literally you'd crest one and have no idea what's gonna be on the other side because you're like so down into a valley you didn't have no idea what was on the other side but at the same time you always knew it was just another hill yeah well no sometimes that the there'd be water at the bottom of the hill that you kind of had to maneuver around but it was all dude this place was so fucking cool. It was southern Illinois maybe touche we should go down and Jared's the morel whisperer dude I'd be fine with that as long as I can butter him up and eat him. I think if there's gonna be a year where it'll work out to where you guys can go down to Southern Illinois and go morel hunting with Jared because Jared he'll embarrass you like you'll be standing in a patch of morel mushrooms all around you and you'll have no idea and Jared will say hey you fucking idiot look down there's morels everywhere I believe you'll look down and be like God I am an idiot they're everywhere are they everywhere uh well you know don't plug me into your shoes yeah dude yeah I would travel on this bullshit dude you're you suck at morel hut hunting we know it no it is Jared I think you'll agree it's it's pretty hard it is it is but I think the biggest thing about it is is like you know we've kind of talked about different things you do when you go to the woods right yeah don't go to the woods I'm either so if I'm deer hunting I might be shed hunting I might be morel hunting I might be looking for deer sign um I might be looking for squirrel sign so if you're not actively looking for what you're doing there's a lot to see and it's easy to start looking up so if you're morel hunting and you're walking around you ain't gonna find a morel up in the tree. Yeah Brad maybe you're just looking at birds the whole time and that's the opposite direction of a morel those pretty trees Patrick those pretty trees yeah yeah yeah it's like oh look at that tree oh my god a fucking bluebird and then Jared's like well there's 40 fucking morels beneath you so that's the other thing beside beside the morel hunting out there the other thing is like the landscape is just pretty crazy there the it's an old strip mine like Jared said and it's all fully regrown you're pretty much under a canopy the whole time you're out there it's just it's a really weird place it's super cool. That sounds awesome.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

I think you've showed me pictures of it before and you there's no way pictures would do that justice what's going on down there.

SPEAKER_05 33:42

Yeah so it's fun I think that's well so Jared so is they they answered uh morel or white so is it just kind of like those are two different seasons that's year to year but at the same time I do morel hunting for me is a lot less stressful because deer hunting it's like I I I want to go out and get one right yeah so it's like but morel hunting it's like I know I'm gonna get some morel those things don't move they show up it's just a matter of how many I'm gonna give away relaxing for sure so they're both fun I would say just in different ways deer hunting and morel hunting both get your adrenaline going but in different ways for sure well so either way like whatever you know you're gonna be outside all day what kind of things do you throw in your backpack? Is there something consistently throughout the seasons uh fall spring winter um I mean you know everybody's kind of got like their base pack but like for me you know you guys do multiple over you know you do overnights and stuff right so yeah yeah that's not something I really do I I typically go out that day and come back um not that I won't stay out from literally dawn till dusk hiking or whatnot um but if I do I would say what's in my pack um definitely differs. Uh yeah but there's also like those basic things right it's like you have things that you're gonna put in there um depending on the year or the time of year but I think it's more about how you dress right when you go out.

SPEAKER_01 35:31

That to me is the yeah and kind of that was like my my part B of the question is some tips for the wintertime.

SPEAKER_05 35:40

Yeah that's definitely one of those things I'd I'd say layers right layers important because even if you're if you're going out all day if you're hunting like in the middle of the day it can get warmer so being able to maybe take a layer off and you'll have a little extra room in your pack or something to put it in there if you're moving around. If not you'll find somewhere to stow it. But one of the things in more recent years actually that I have started uh started making sure I packed is a Stanley thermos full of coffee.

SPEAKER_01 36:13

Where are you gonna go? Oh yeah well it's funny because I always in my head I go back and forth between do I just take a thermos with coffee in it or do I take my jet oil with like instant coffee and brew some coffee when I'm out and it's that's a tough decision.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

For like a going out hunting I would definitely bring the uh thermos the thermos yeah oh it'd be best creamer everything like this is gonna be a deluxe yeah it's a thermos of coffee coffee snub and have that cafe bustello but I mean don't like don't let them fool you I'll if I'm out and I need to wake up and or I'm up too early and nothing's open I will go to Kroger and get me some the cheapest folders you can find.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Yeah oh yeah even when I'm out and in the wintertime doing trying to get photos and shit that's what I usually try to decide like I want to bring some kind of warm drink for the middle of the day chill out.

SPEAKER_05 37:15

Yeah the callers has been good because it's just been like man you know I bring the Stanley Thermos and I'll pour that lid even just halfway full and just getting a little bit of that warmth down through your chest and whatnot but also on an all day hunt in the middle of the day a little pick me up doesn't hurt anything either.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

Yeah it's inspiring the picture yeah well so it is like like I know Brad with a little bit of the gear I I'm just curious because the hunters that we have talked to they kind of have their gear but what we don't get to talk about with the hunters with the people with the morel hunters that are out there all the time is like the choice between ultralight and and just plain old gear.

SPEAKER_05 38:00

Do you like since you're out from morning to night morel hunting specifically morel hunting specifically yeah like I know you bring your thermos full of coffee but is there a choice between ultralight and or lighter gear do you guys consciously buy lighter gear knowing you're going to be walking all day well well typically whenever I go morel hunting I do not bring the coffee with me because I'm walking the entire time so I bring as much water as um but I'll drink the coffee up before I go because I'm typically not out till daybreak going morel hunting so I usually like have it before but as far as the pack goes you're right as light as possible right gotta have space to put the mushrooms so um at the end of the day I think I usually have I I I like to use the mesh bags I know there's all kinds of theories about morels but you know the how the spores grow do the spores you know how how much that helps to spread them but to me it doesn't hurt. I used to always the plastic grocery bag but you know the mesh bag I think does two things it spreads the spores but it also provides air to the mushrooms so that they keep while you're walking around. But yeah Patrick I would say you know the lighter the pack the better when mushroom hunting and uh yeah try to try to pack you some water instead of coffee on that one.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Especially when you're doing the strip bites I saw Brad doing a hell of a lot of nodding when you were talking about the bag with the holes in it the mesh bags because isn't that what you bring rock hounding with you Travy? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:49

Yeah that's just a key because I don't I don't like to put anything in plastic bags. It just even like you know fruits vegetables whatever because it just seems like it just holds the moisture right up on it and yeah you want airflow.

SPEAKER_01 40:05

Absolutely agree well so one of the things that I picked up when I was with you was I eventually got a a bow I got a PSE compound bow and I know you have there was for a while like you always stuck with the same PSE even though you had all kinds of opportunities to easily upgrade to like new Matthews or Hoy or whatever but I know you stuck with the same old PSE.

SPEAKER_05 40:33

What is it about archery and that bow that made you want to keep it well I still have it hell yeah I said I kind of assumed you did yep I still have it um no archery for me is uh I don't know that that's one of the one of my favorite things it's so relaxing I guess um just to shoot really and obviously it's a lot you know it's a lot more of a craft trying to hunt to kill you know an animal with that so I've always enjoyed bow hunting way more than gun hunting. Yeah because they're talking like within what 40 yards with a bow yeah for sure yeah I think the max I've ever killed a deer with a bow I've been bow hunting since I think about 93 about there um is 38 yards that's the longest I've ever killed a bow damn so and that was a long one I don't think I've really even killed more than one or two more over 30 other than that seems really long so 38 yards it's more challenging you like that yeah that phone a little better yeah yeah it's it's like an experience right you get the animal in there on you and and uh you know I don't know part of the hunt every 10 yards you're aiming at a different degree of latitude so you have to know is it 20 yards 30 yards 40 yards and you have to adjust how you aim based on that yeah it definitely uh definitely brings a little more skill element into whenever you have to you know execute that part of the the hunt so it's quite fun but as far as uh you know kind of going back to the PSD thing and that bow that bow I have actually I bought that bow with the last paycheck I got when I got out of the military and so there's a little bit of uh I guess you could say sentimental there as well but that bow is definitely uh I don't know it still works if it gets the job button you know why move on yeah but but I disagree that um that equipment has changed a lot over the years in that space I mean a lot I always felt there oh yeah like that bow really though I the bow I had before that was I will say like from a shooting standpoint half the bow that that was so the market has gotten better since I bought that bow but um how much it's gotten better I I I don't know that there's a reason to upgrade.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah I eventually got a PSE bow because I was like well fuck Jared's had the same one for six years and I hear about all these other people getting a new hoy every uh every year I'm just gonna go with the PSE and it's it is like it's fun as hell like I've never went hunting with it once but I shoot it maybe like now maybe every two months or so uh but I've never stopped shooting it and it's it's like super relaxing because all you're thinking about is that just like your rhythm of shooting and What you're looking at, what you're doing. It's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 44:04

And it's a little more zen because you don't have the freaking crack of gunpowder.

SPEAKER_05 44:11

It's definitely uh it's definitely a little more chill.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Yeah. Yeah. So we've also gone on a lot of saltwater fishing trips, and we've done everything from offshore to inshore, and a lot of shark fishing from beaches on uh Morris Island. You could call it sharkslash steam. Uh and but uh I know you also do a lot of freshwater, like bass fishing. What would is there one that you prefer over the other?

SPEAKER_05 44:44

Um, well, I enjoy I enjoy both. If I had to every day, I would say I would prefer like being on a lake or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

Due to the fact that I like the uh I I think having like the shoreline and the terrain, right? I mean inshore fishing, maybe some, right? Going up some of those tributaries was also a lot of fun. But that was because you had a lot of yeah, you had a lot of shore on shoreline, right? Surrounding you. Um going offshore is awesome also, right? Just the experience, it's like, man, I'm out here.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

That scares me.

SPEAKER_05 45:26

No one else to say, right? This boat sink, find something to float on. Even if that happened, like I hope the Coast Guard flies through here tonight.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Right. Yeah, we're I mean, you're like a hundred something miles offshore. When we're out there, there's nothing we're on a we're on a 28-foot center console.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:50

Oh no, at no point.

SPEAKER_05 45:52

Well, there's a story B Red. There's some some John boat. Yeah. We saw some guys try to bring a John boat out to old uh Caper's Island, and that didn't work out for the better for them, did it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:09

There's a crazy tidal change in that area. And so if there's like uh in the middle of a tidal change and then crazy winds coming offshore, and it just makes waves like crazy, and people, yeah, whatever. It's just like unpredictable big waves. Kind well, kind of, but you're also an A if you realize it, yeah, go and do it.

SPEAKER_05 46:34

Yeah, very predictable when the tide's coming in, but when you park your boat on the shore at low tide and go to bed and the side comes in overnight, your boat doesn't come in.

SPEAKER_03 46:46

Are there a lot of hard lessons learned out there with the tide?

SPEAKER_01 46:51

Oh yeah, dude, with the tide.

SPEAKER_05 46:53

The tide will teach you teach you life on on uh the coast.

SPEAKER_01 46:58

Yeah, you'll spend six hours beached on an oyster bed waiting for high tide to come back in. It'll kick your ass for sure.

SPEAKER_05 47:07

Oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

I know growing up close to Shawnee, when it comes to regular use of public land, is there something like have you been kind of staying in tune with what in the foreseeable future is going good about public land access or worse, getting to public lands?

SPEAKER_05 47:26

I I would have to say I'm very in tune with that. That I think ties into what I was talking about earlier um a little bit when we were talking about, you know, popularity coming around with COVID, right? And then uh like like how that's managed and how we deal with that. But uh yeah, it's it's a good thing, but at the same time, it's getting to the point where it needs to be somewhat regulated, and I feel like that folks are are doing, you know, are stepping up to that challenge a little bit, let's say, as not only the recreation park part, but I'm talking more on like the uh like the hunting part, right? Has gotten more popular and more of a sport. Um it's driven folks to uh get a little uh get a little adrenaline in their veins, right? And get to get a little uh excited about it and take extra measures, so to speak. So I think trying to curb some of that is important. One thing I've definitely seen being from Southern Illinois and going down there and spending a lot of time in the fall is out of state folks, um, namely from the south, coming up and running rampant through some of those resources of ours and uh not really respecting that, I'll I'll go ahead and say. And so um, you know, kind of uh watching how over the past few years our our our natural resources division, though, has kind of like combated that a little bit and tried to regulate that and found tactical and strategic ways, right, to try to try to work that in is important. Um but that me as a hunter and like as someone who wants to see like more national forests than national parks, like I kind of advocate for those folks to come in, right? And want to be a part of that, but just kind of making sure we curb you know things to make sure everybody's following the rules is important. So I've definitely seen an we've seen an influx of that in the news of kind of like illegal activity going on. But at the same time, I feel like everything, you know, kind of finds that pendulum and level sets.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

Yeah, that's the thing. Like a lot of the national forests are just so damn vast, and you can get to far corners of them without any road access or anything. So like if you get back in there, you can do whatever the hell you want before anybody even notices. Like they're just so big.

SPEAKER_05 50:12

No, that that that's true. You can that that's something that that has definitely taken place. Um but also the part of having the recreation piece open up roads that have stor historically been closed because of the nature part, but now it's open for recreation, kind of you know, helped out with the re recreation piece during that season, but then when it comes hunting season, um, it's provided more opportunity for folks to uh take advantage of it, so to speak. So there's a mouth that's gotta be figured out there.

SPEAKER_01 50:50

Yeah, yeah. I know you've been to a handful of national parks. Is there one that has stuck out as one of the best? St. Louis Arch?

SPEAKER_00 51:03

No. Although, although they had congaree rated below that on some on some lists. Some lists it was the arches or uh St. Louis Arch below that. And I gotta tell you, Congaroo is badass. So maybe the arches, maybe the arch is sweet.

SPEAKER_05 51:23

They've improved a lot over the last uh few years. They're putting a lot of money in there, and as a matter of fact, they bought a couple of those old buildings down there by the arch grounds, they're tearing down right now. Um try to expand that and make it nicer down there. So there's progress being made, but as far as uh what you were asking, B Rad, there's only one answer, and spent ten days going around Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons. Oh yeah. I mean very easy to say, but if you gone there and spent from you know seven o'clock in the morning till eight, ten o'clock at night every day going through that place, it you know, for for a week and a half straight, I think you'd get a great appreciation.

SPEAKER_00 52:13

Absolutely. Man, I am 100% with you on that one. Tetons changed my world, dude.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Well, I think that's something that gets missed because there's since Yellowstone and Glacier are right there, that like the Grand Tetons, has probably more or a lot of wild places you can get to.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

Chewy. And they're called the Grand Titties.

SPEAKER_01 52:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:38

Come on, come on, Titto.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

Titto. There's a lot of forests out there that uh you can just roam around into that aren't parks and Keysman was pointing out all these uh mountains and forests they could just go and do whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_05 52:55

You're right, Travis. That's one of the things is like uh like one of the big things they were worried about. I know I don't know if you guys followed like Yellowstone and everything. There was that Grizzly 399.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

Oh, yeah, we've talked about it. The famous Grizzly.

SPEAKER_05 53:10

But that Grizzly's den was apparently in a national forest that bordered Teton and Yellowstone or like in a buffer zone. Yeah. So, and they were worried that that bear would be killed by a hunter because that's where its den was. So that yeah, I think that's something you're right. There's a lot of like national forest area out there, also.

SPEAKER_00 53:35

Instead of got killed by a driver at 2 a.m. or whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah. Bear 399 got hit by a pedestrian. Oh, yeah, driving a vehicle. A pedestrian ran into it. That pedestrian's kind of cool if that's his true story. That would be crazy. But yeah, that was I just judo chopped the shit out of this bear. I didn't know that it was bear 399. I also didn't know that my judo chop would kill a bear.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

Yeah, when we did that, when we did that Teton Crest show, I think two of the nights we camped in National Forest, because that trail goes in and out of the national park, all we have left is uh some rapid fire questions. Did you did you look at these?

SPEAKER_05 54:32

You asked me one. I don't know if this is was in the rapid fire, but I don't know if you asked me a question.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

About what?

SPEAKER_05 54:38

About my favorite kind of fish, Steve.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Nah, that's the rapid fire. Okay. I think I know. I mean, I think I know what your answer is gonna be for your favorite fish. I don't think you do, actually. Oh shit. I know it's not amberjack with the worms in it. Did you mention it already? So these questions you can answer them in one word or a sentence either way, regardless. The rapid fire, though. So we gotta move along. Question number one favorite fish to eat?

SPEAKER_05 55:09

Fried fish in the garage or or mahi mahi at a restaurant.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Whoa. Well, what kind of fried fish though?

SPEAKER_03 55:18

Not type. It just needs to be fried? Fried he said.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

I thought I only had one sentence, but I'll go like freshwater. Bluegill, fried catfish, bluegill.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

There we go. I thought you'd say uh catfish.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

He did tell me that earlier. He said that you would say catfish. I said redfish.

SPEAKER_05 55:39

And frying fish and drinking beer, it'd be catfish, bluegill crappie, but if we were gonna go to a restaurant, we'd have to get a good ocean fish.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

Nice. Yep, yep. Yeah, you may as well, you know. All right, question two favorite big game animal to eat?

SPEAKER_05 55:55

Uh believe it or not, I haven't had a ton of them, but I I'll have to go with just deer venison. Yes. Like tenderloin. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:05

I didn't know if maybe you had elk or something.

SPEAKER_05 56:08

I've had elk, but I I feel like it's a lot like deer, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

No, okay. Are you a backstrap fan? That makes sense. Do you enjoy the backstrap?

SPEAKER_05 56:17

Oh, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, definitely that. Deer and elk are good. Although I've had bison burger before, and that was pretty damn good.

SPEAKER_03 56:26

What's the most disgusting animal you think you've eaten? Oh, damn.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Pig balls. Pig balls. And he's like, for some reason, I eat them every week.

SPEAKER_00 56:40

The other day when I was overseas, I had heart and uh heart and liver and stomach of a cow. Wow. I thought it was wonderful. I thought it was wonderful. They seemed to be prepared. Yeah, it was prepared real well. Real well.

SPEAKER_05 56:56

Big balls were the worst, but I will say probably the weirdest was when I was in Okinawa and I had sea snake. That was a little different, but it was good.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Cool. Most interesting thing you randomly found in the woods.

SPEAKER_05 57:10

Oh fuck, you guys are gonna love this. The most interesting thing I've ever found in the woods is a lion hide. An African lion hide. Oh wow. What?

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Fresh.

SPEAKER_05 57:25

Fairly fresh. It was the scariest moment in my life.

SPEAKER_00 57:29

Because you thought it was alive as you walked up on it and you're like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 57:34

Completely opposite. I thought it was fucking dead. Killed it, and so I thought, oh shit.

SPEAKER_03 57:41

There's something bigger.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Shit, yeah. I get it. Oh yeah. Fuck you.

SPEAKER_01 57:47

All right. Question number four. Favorite St. Louis Cardinal player, past or present.

SPEAKER_05 57:53

Oh man. God damn, this is a fucking tough one.

SPEAKER_03 57:58

Toughest question of the day.

SPEAKER_05 58:00

Toughest by far. Through my whole childhood growing up, I love Willie McGee. But Yachty Molina is a fucking savage and one of the probably all time. So those two, those twos uh are right there. But yeah, so definitely Yachty and them. And Ozzy's amazing as well. So but for me in my lifetime, those are the guys I remember the most.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

Yeah, I mean, uh the team hasn't been the same since Yachty retired. Oh Yachty. Not doing too bad this year, though. Travis is a White Sox fan, Jared. Well shit.

SPEAKER_05 58:37

Hey Travis.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

I'm about to turnaround, huh?

SPEAKER_05 58:40

Yeah. Hey Travis, I saw Miri Kami play in Tokyo when he played for the Swallows.

SPEAKER_03 58:46

Yeah. You ever pay attention?

SPEAKER_05 58:50

No, I I literally I was on travel to uh Tokyo for work and we went to a game at the stadium in Tokyo when Marikami played and he hit a bomb.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Oh, that's badass. Yep. Well, you go to Southside of Chicago. You see him hitting bombs all day. Fucking right. Well, he's he's gotta get back healthy, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

You're talking to Jared, and he'll be like, back in 2007, I was in the McDonald's in Atlanta, and I saw Greg Maddox.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

That's exhaust. But back in 2002 in a Wendy's, I saw Deion Sanders pull up in his boat.

SPEAKER_01 59:30

Are you sure you actually saw these dudes?

SPEAKER_04 59:34

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

All right. Last question. Day hike in the mountains or slow ride boat cruise on Danny's boat through a marsh.

SPEAKER_05 59:45

Man, day hikes are great, but shit fire, man.

SPEAKER_01 59:50

We're talking high to high tide, too.

SPEAKER_05 59:52

Yeah, we're we're gonna have to go on that boat ride because we got to see how if we can get it above 42.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:01

Pretty sure.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:03

Yeah, I'm pretty sure we popped her out at 42 when we hit that sandbar.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:09

There were many times where we would try to see how fast we could get the boat.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:13

So this is a slow cruise, uh, not by choice, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

Uh no, like nowadays, nowadays we take a slow cruise through a marsh. Take a little back then. Back then you'd be flying. Back then we'd be trying to see how fast we can go.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:30

Oh shit, man. Yeah, for sure. But either way, the slow cruise through the marsh is always good.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Yeah. When I was looking at these questions, that's what I chose to slow cruise through a marsh.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

It's the like having your like hanging your feet off the front of the boat, dipping in the water, and you got uh Danny has a golden retriever, uh Bella, she's right there next to you. Like there's nothing, there's not a better field.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:58

You see, you're you're adding things to this the story here. You're like a big go where you just keep adding layers of the biggest. That's what's entailed in the book in the mountains. I got there by uh you know hot air balloon. Yeah. And there it was full of beer.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:13

Cindy Crawford was feeding you cherries. Cindy Crawford, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

You tell he grew up with a diet.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:21

I'm still grew for the Pepsi commercial, damn it. I would have been in. I still buy her furniture. Come on.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:32

Be alright. Oh shit. All right. Well, well, Jared, I know like since I've been doing more and more of this backpacking shit, and you've been asking questions about gear and stuff. Is there anything? I mean, you have Patrick's the kayaking lightweight pro. Travis is the I don't give a fuck what it weighs, but if it's cool, I'll bring it. I pay for it.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:59

No, yeah, I was you know, one thing I did ask you about B-Rad, because one of the big things for me that I've I guess kind of realized is uh kind of like water supply, right? I wouldn't say that I can uh when I go all day mushroom hunting or something like that, hiking even, there's not a readily supply to try to get water and and uh purify it. So I could ask you kind of like about a hydration pack or something like that, kind of the style and what you guys would use.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Dude, I got something to say about that one. Like, I guess morale hunting, I I guess like I m my first thoughts were two things. The gray have you heard of Grail? You know Grail, right? I don't think so. Oh man, Grail makes this like water, this water bottle where the res the reservoir is what you dip into the water, you fill up your cup, and then you push the filter down into it, and as the water goes through the filter into the clean thing, that's where you get clean water.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

And it's basically like one one bottle enclosed, and that happens inside of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Dude, it's awesome. I bought one and it's I mean, like it's a little bit pricey, but the filter itself lasts like 20,000 or 30,000 push-throughs or something like that. Um and I think like in terms of morel hunting, where you're not I I know you're concerned about weight, but it's not the top priority, or you're just out there for a day, that would be perfect. If you had, I mean, because you said you come across creeks, you come across little ponds or little bodies of water that would have nails.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:44

Yep, there's usually water, so the that would be what I would have.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

You can strap it onto your belt, you can strap it onto a monkey clip. I call them monkey clips. I can never remember what the name of them are, but that would be where I would go for sure. Because I wouldn't want I I don't think you'd want to have like a whole filtration system with you. Maybe I'd like to do that. Yeah, like like a Sawyer squeeze or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

I didn't really think about something like that. Something like that works in about any we'll say quality of water. Because I I come across a lot of stagnant water, you know, not as much.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

I mean, you might get a bad taste out of it, but these things will definitely I think they were created by hunters, and then it kind of picked up in the backpacking space. But even I like I wouldn't take my grail backpacking, but day hiking for sure, or day morel hunt morel hunting, anything along those lines for sure. That seems like in terms of water filtration, that's where you want to go. That'd be my answer. I don't know if these guys differ.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

I just uh I bring the same sawyer I've had for years. It's it's probably time to get a new one.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

I think I clean it for you because you don't clean your grody.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

It takes me, I'm I'm the type where I find my groove and I'll just stick to it, even if it makes me miserable until finally it it breaks or something, and then I realize how wonderful new technology is, and then I'll adopt it.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:25

I can appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

And like uh like I think we recently talked about even just having a two-liter reservoir, like camelback with the hose, if you're out day hiking. Yeah, that's probably what I would do.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:37

That's pretty easy to do. Yeah, okay. Yeah, camelback would work perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

Yeah, all right. Well, I think that's all the questions I have. Do you guys have any more questions?

SPEAKER_03 1:05:50

Nope, that's it for me. I we need to, because Brad has invited uh me to St. Louis, I think a couple times to go to a baseball game, and it's just been at times where I'm like, eh, I don't really want to go out there. Uh but I think next time uh I'll accept that invite because I think you'd be a pretty cool dude to drink some beers with. For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:13

And morel, huh? And then eat the morels. Yeah, for sure. What's maybe when the socks are in town.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:19

All right, that sounds real good.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:22

I want to see Mirakami here here on the US soil.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:27

That that'd be pretty cool, yeah. You'd be like a very rare person that's seen him play on in both countries.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:35

Yeah, that'd be cool to see, for sure. Welcome to come down whenever, and definitely think we would have a better time if we went down to deep southern Illinois and uh got lost.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, like get out get out to Shawnee.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

Okay, not much more needed here. I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:55

Yeah, and I think, yeah, and I I brought it up before and I know we talked about it, so we're gonna have to make it happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:00

Okay. Yeah, let's keep uh let's put something like that on the schedule because that sounds like a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:07

Well, Jared, dude, thank you very much for coming on, bro. We had a lot of technical difficulties there at the beginning, but we pulled it through, and I enjoy your patience and your camaraderie. We appreciate it. And uh yeah, we'll we'll we'll catch you on the flip side, homeboy. Thanks for coming on, we'll talk to you again.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:25

Yeah, no worries. I mean, you know, as far as technical difficulties go, I'm used to Brad being behind schedule, so all righty, let's get out of here, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:38

Uh, thanks for listening and uh keep on sauntering. Bye. See ya.