Painting Her Own Path with Purpose | Melissa Hall

Melissa Hall, a Liverpool-based painting and decorating professional, shares her journey of building a successful career in a male-crowded industry. From overcoming early challenges to finding freedom through self-employment, she reflects on the resilience and mindset shifts that transformed both her work and personal life.

The conversation explores Melissa’s diverse background, the realities of working as a woman in the trades, and the importance of building genuine, long-term relationships with clients. She also speaks openly about mental health, shining a light on PMDD awareness and the role of gratitude, community support, and healthier lifestyle choices in maintaining balance and wellbeing. 

With a strong focus on empowerment, entrepreneurship, and the value of following your passion, Melissa’s story offers inspiration for women considering careers in trades, creatives seeking independence, and anyone looking to make meaningful life changes.

Her future aspirations reflect a powerful message of confidence, self-belief, and the impact of showing up authentically in both work and life. 

Key Takeaways

• Melissa has a diverse background in male-dominated fields.
• She emphasizes the importance of pushing barriers for women in trades.
• Her business, Painting With Purpose, reflects her desire to help others.
• She believes in the power of gratitude and positive mindset.
• Building relationships with clients is a key aspect of her work.
• Melissa advocates for mental health awareness, particularly PMDD.
• Health and wellness practices are important to her lifestyle.
• Education and continuous learning are vital for her future aspirations.

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Chapters

00:00 Breaking Barriers: Melissa's Journey in a Male-crowded Field

02:43 Finding Purpose: The Birth of 'Painting With Purpose'

05:22 Building Connections: The Importance of Client Relationships

07:59 The Entrepreneurial Spirit: Embracing Self-Employment

10:34 Navigating Mental Health: ADHD and PMDD

13:29 Manifesting Dreams: Melissa's Academic Pursuits

15:43 Health and Wellness: Supplements and Lifestyle Choices

27:54 The Power of Reading and Learning

29:41 Women in Trades: Breaking Barriers

32:03 Social Media: Support and Trolls

34:37 Unexpected Wins and Gratitude

37:32 Collaboration and Community in Trades

40:12 Networking and Support at Trade Shows

43:30 Quickfire Questions: Personal Preferences

45:46 Future Aspirations and Recommendations

50:11 Thank you's

Transcript

Melissa Hall (00:09)

so I am Melissa also known as Mel. At Painting with purpose and I'm a painting decorator and as you can tell from the accent I'm from Liverpool, North West.

Laura (00:19)

Well, I've been looking forward to this chat for a while since you agreed to come on. So welcome to the podcast.

Melissa Hall (00:26)

Thank you so

much. When you sent the message, I was over the moon. So yeah, I really do appreciate you having me on.

Laura (00:30)

⁓

you're welcome. It's awesome to have you on. So yeah, let's talk about you. For the listeners that haven't come across you yet, can you share a bit of your background and how you got to where you are now?

Melissa Hall (00:46)

God, right, we might go a bit deep here. I've done a little bit of everything, to be honest. Most of my jobs have been male dominated. So from school, I did engineering, but I didn't have my maths and English and I didn't want to stay. So I just kind of moved on. I'd like warehouse jobs. I've worked in Michelin star restaurants. I've done a little bit of everything. I've worked in supermarkets, but.

Laura (00:49)

That's alright, go as deep as you want.

wow.

Melissa Hall (01:10)

The majority of them have all been like male dominated. So in the British Heart Foundation, I volunteered there and they weren't letting women in the warehouse, but I didn't want to stay on the shop floor. And I was like, I'm going in the warehouse. So I feel like I've always kind of pushed barriers with wear because I feel like women have always sort of been held back. like the jobs that we do now in our trades. It's not seen as normal to some men, if that makes sense. So.

I always kind of try and push those barriers So,

Yeah, I've done my painting and decorating, obviously that now. I've done that for the last seven or eight years. But whilst I've done that, I've had other jobs. So I worked in hospitality while I was doing my painting and decorating. This is probably my first year of just pure painting and decorating, self-employment. So I got sacked actually from my job in hospitality three weeks before Christmas.

Laura (01:42)

Wow.

Wow.

No way!

Melissa Hall (01:58)

Everything just fell into place. It was sort of a blessing in disguise. It's the best thing that happened to me, to be fair, because from moving out of hospitality, I stopped drinking. Like, I've got a healthier lifestyle. So everything with the business has flourished. Like, I couldn't be more appreciative of all the people I've met through, going to paint and decorating show and just speaking to people from the Instagram. Honestly, the support is incredible. Like, I couldn't wish for more with

Laura (02:10)

Wow.

strange, isn't it, how rock bottom and dealing with some of the toughest things in life can bring something so pure and like the dream, like what you passion, like you wanted to do comes out of it. And then you just on a path for you all round, like with the stopping drinking and everything. I stopped drinking when I started my own business back up and

Melissa Hall (02:43)

100 percent.

Laura (02:47)

Because your mindset just changes with it, doesn't it?

Melissa Hall (02:49)

I just think alcohol is so socially accepted and I was never taught healthy measures. I was just going out and having shots and not even remembering how I'm getting home and I just think it's quite unsafe. But it is so socially accepted but I don't like who I am when I drink. It changes who I am. I think it changes all of us. And if anything, I've just got myself into trouble to be fair more than anything. So yeah, it's been the best thing coming away from it.

And I do feel like the universe has rewarded me for that in the sense of like my business has flourished and just like me, my lifestyle is so much healthier. So yeah, I feel like.

Laura (03:24)

Awesome, amazing.

So, Painting With Purpose, where did that name come from? What's the meaning behind that?

Melissa Hall (03:32)

I did have Mel's Painting and Decorating for like seven years and I thought I need to, I want to rebrand because I want to, I wanted to build a name, if that makes sense, like something people can support and from my background, I didn't mention before, but I've also got my NVQ Level 3 in health and social care. ⁓ I did want to be a paramedic. I've always kind of had this feeling that I need to help in whatever I'm doing. So when I changed my name,

Laura (03:53)

Wow.

Melissa Hall (04:00)

I wanted it to kind of align with who I am and hello, for me, like, I don't know if you've seen my story on my page, like the job I did for Margaret, things like that, well, I can't just, I couldn't just turn up to a job like that and turn away and leave her. Like, it's not in my heart to do that, so Painting With Purpose just felt like it fitted perfectly with me and had a bit of a ring to it because I feel like it just represents exactly who I am and it will always be more than just picking up a brush and sticking a bit of paint on the wall.

A lot of the times the jobs that I go to, I leave feeling like a little piece of the family. I don't know how to explain that. When you're in someone's house and you're their personal space for such a long time, yeah, it just makes me feel like family sometimes. So yeah, I felt like that aligned with me. So it just had a little ring to it and I had to stick, yeah.

Laura (04:33)

Awww

I love it, yeah, I like that a lot. I agree when you spend a lot of time in somebody's home, it's their personal space and for them to accept you in it, it does, yeah, it feels homely, doesn't it? Yeah.

Melissa Hall (04:57)

in the air.

I've

had some customers that are so good, I'm like, will you adopt me? I remember in the summer, I was working on a house, it was an older couple, and they loved the ninja machines and stuff. I'd be upstairs painting and she'd be like, Melissa, your sorbet's melting. And I'd come downstairs to like, fresh sorbet and ice creams and stuff. They really did look after me, but yeah, it's little customers like that it for me. Not, obviously, no.

Laura (05:22)

Wow.

Melissa Hall (05:27)

getting the sorbet and stuff, just the way you get like close knit with them and kind of the gel, it does feel more than just a customer, if that makes sense.

Laura (05:36)

Absolutely, it definitely makes I feel like the slightly older generation give out a little bit, not necessarily a little bit more, but you feel a little bit more appreciated sometimes, don't you? Because they just like the company as well of you being there.

Melissa Hall (05:51)

Yeah, especially with Margaret. She's, she was an 80 year old woman that lives alone. no family, had no children, were never married. And I just see a lot of strength in her and I just, I love that woman. And when I seen her, I was just like, I want to do anything that I can to help her. So yeah, she's a vegetarian because she loves animals. Like when I turned up to her house, she feeds the dogs as they walk past and the birds in the garden. She's just a beautiful woman.

inside and out and yeah it makes a massive difference ⁓ i love stuff like that means everything to me to be fair having those customers

Laura (06:26)

Definitely, and I think it obviously shines through your want to help people when you talk about your feelings towards customers like that and seeing their struggles and wanting to help fix their environment effectively for them, isn't it? So.

Melissa Hall (06:41)

I mean,

obviously we're all here to earn money and to build a business and build a brand or whatever. But at the end of the day, if I'm in a position where I can help someone, even if I'm out of pocket, I'm going to help them. Like it's not about money for me, it's about making a difference. Like as a painter and decorator, you turn up to someone's house and you're putting your touch and they're putting their trust in you. And I think, yeah, that's just, it's massive for me. Like I do appreciate it a lot.

Recently I've been trying to show gratitude every day for like little things. And yeah, I don't know. It's just kind of, it's shown in the way that the universe has rewarded me for showing that gratitude. Does that make sense? I kind of believe in like manifesting and stuff like that. So having a positive mindset and stuff, I feel like that helps as well.

Laura (07:17)

definitely.

I agree. I'm very much on the path because I mean, it's a constant path of learning, isn't it? The gratitude and...

Melissa Hall (07:32)

feel like it could be a battle with us women when our cycle comes because I, ⁓ it's a terrible time for me. I don't know about

Laura (07:40)

Yeah, is,

definitely. That is something that I wanna talk to you about actually. So we'll circle back round to that. Just sticking with the work aspect of things. What is it about painting and decorating that you enjoy the most that's made you stick at it for, did you say seven years now? Yeah,

Melissa Hall (07:46)

for

Like seven or eight years now

think more than anything, it's the fact that

I'm able to be my own boss. I feel like a lot of the times when I've worked for companies, I'm never appreciated. You're just a number. And like, you can be replaced the next day. But I've never, ever, ever had that feeling. Working for myself and working for my customers because the appreciation, it goes like far beyond what I ever did. Working for like a big employer because you are just a number at the end of the day. So, yeah, I think that aspect of it.

I mean, like everybody, I think it benefits everyone to try and do things for themselves if they can. But yeah, that's definitely one of the best things about

Laura (08:40)

I agree. think that's something that I enjoy the most. And it was a big thing about me starting my business back up is I, I just wanted to be my own boss and make my own decisions and manage my own time. because I used to do shift work and it, controlled my life so much. I, yeah, I couldn't do it anymore. So definitely being your own boss is if you can,

If you can manage things properly, yeah, it's a winner all round.

Melissa Hall (09:06)

from that today.

Yeah,

I mean obviously it's not easy and it comes with the stresses. If you've not got the bookings you haven't got the money and then comes the panic like how you're paying your bills and stuff. But I think once you build up that respectable name and you've got your community behind you're obviously good at what you do, then I think, yeah, the world is your oyster. You set your own limits, don't you? So you can only push yourself so far or so less it's entirely up to you.

The hardest thing for me with the business is the content, finding time to make content, to post, to kind of keep the page running and keep people interested in it. It's a full-time job in itself.

Laura (09:38)

Absolutely.

Tell me about it. I know, I mean.

Melissa Hall (09:53)

Imagine

you've got your content, then you've got your podcast on top. So you are absolutely smashing it by the way, might I just add? I don't know, it's amazing.

Laura (09:59)

Thank you. Yeah,

mean, yeah, the social media is a whole beast in itself, isn't it? mean, obviously, being self-employed, we take before and after pictures anyway. I think most of us do. Just to see.

Melissa Hall (10:16)

Yeah.

Laura (10:19)

For our own peace of mind to make sure that we've covered everything and if the customer comes back asking questions, then you've got the evidence to say, look, this is what it was like, et cetera, et But then bundling that all together to showcase on your social media, can...

Melissa Hall (10:34)

adding in words, adding music, adding like three servers, it's a lot. It is a lot.

And it's not even that you have to have your tripods, you need to have light and sometimes people have got little mics like it's, it is next level for the content. Yeah, is. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

Laura (10:48)

It's expensive, isn't it? Yeah.

But no, I'm thoroughly enjoying your stories and your posts of your work and everything.

Melissa Hall (10:57)

⁓ I don't

I feel like sometimes I am a lot but that is me ADHD and I I Try and be exactly who I am and I try not to let the thought of others change that because At the end of the night, they're not paying my bills. I am and I think we all need to Letting the thought of others stop us from reaching our true potential. Does that make sense?

Laura (11:01)

No!

Absolutely, yes.

Melissa Hall (11:21)

There's so

many things that I haven't done growing up because I'm scared of what people are gonna think. But at the end of the day, people are gonna judge you. Doesn't matter what you do. So just do it anyway. Do it and make sure that you're happy doing it. That's the main thing. Just make sure what you do when you're happy and you're not hurting anyone. And you've got my vote. I'll back you all the way.

Laura (11:35)

Definitely.

always comes back to in my head, this might sound silly, but it's the first example that jumped into our mind. It's like, when you get dressed in the morning and you put on the clothes that you wanna put on and you look at yourself in the mirror and you think there's a moment that you think, what are others gonna think about what I'm wearing? And it's like when you go out in it, are you wearing?

Melissa Hall (12:01)

think we're

not always picking ourselves apart.

Laura (12:04)

Yeah.

It's that kind of scenario that I think that it just applies to everything. Don't... If you're happy with how you, in that scenario, how you look and you're comfortable, sod what everybody else thinks.

Melissa Hall (12:19)

This is it, isn't it? I think, yeah, just, you've gotta do you.

Laura (12:23)

100 % because everybody else is doing them, you know?

Melissa Hall (12:25)

That's it. And

the people that are supposed to be there will be there naturally. Yeah, I think being authentic filters out the crap in a way. If that makes sense.

Laura (12:29)

Yeah.

Absolutely, absolutely. And your posts and stories on those door handles, those brass,

Melissa Hall (12:42)

⁓ I absolutely loved them. You know what I'm mostly

gutted about? I didn't take much before content. I've got loads of after, but I've only got a small amount of before and I hate myself for it because, yeah, it was immaculate. That was probably one of my favourite jobs last year to finish the year up. And I need to go back and get content of the Stairrunners because she's getting like a funky Stairrunner. So I'm waiting.

over the next couple of weeks to get back there to get the content but yeah I was really happy with them that's the first project I've taken on like that and she never asked that wasn't asked of the customer but when I unscrewed it and seeing that it was brass I said I'm taking these home and she said okay yeah so I was like I'm taking them home it was just my little project for me that but after 12 hours I'm really really happy with the way they turned out like so happy with it yeah

Laura (13:29)

They were stunning. Yeah,

great effort there. Loved it. yeah, seeing that paint come off and what was underneath, beauty.

Melissa Hall (13:38)

12 hours of work I was like I didn't

I was pacing me living room I didn't stop honestly but I think when I've something in me I'd have to just get it out the way so yeah I think I was there until like one o'clock in the morning one night just giving that a polish up taking a look at the pictures of it with me light I don't know you have to have passion in what you're doing don't you? I it doesn't matter what I partake in

Laura (13:52)

Wow, that's dedication.

Awesome.

Absolutely, yeah.

Melissa Hall (14:05)

I have to give a hundred, I don't think I can't get out of bed unless I'm giving you a hundred percent. There's no point in getting out of bed for me. That's the way I see just smash it. Smash its head in basically. That's it, yeah.

Laura (14:15)

Just go for it, absolutely.

as you've mentioned and spoken about quite openly on your social media, you've got ADHD and...

Melissa Hall (14:24)

Yeah, I

haven't had a proper diagnosis from a doctor. yeah, I am awaiting. But as you know, the lists are quite long. I don't feel like I need one. I already know how it's affecting me. But to be fair, I didn't realise until like two years ago. Somebody mentioned it to me. Before that, I was a oblivious, living under a rock. Thought that the life that I was living was just a normal life like everybody else. But then when I looked into it...

Laura (14:29)

Gotcha. ⁓

Okay.

Melissa Hall (14:49)

The hardest part for me was my emotions. Like I get so deep and so upset and I feel like I feel things in my soul that I can't really explain it. It's, yeah, it can be quite heavy sometimes. So looking into it and looking into PMDD as well, affects 30 % of women that have ADHD. It's like, it's, yeah, it's.

Laura (15:09)

I didn't know that.

Melissa Hall (15:11)

it's basically classed as like a severe one, like some women are suicidal. Like the self-hate is incredible. Like even yesterday, I had a little day where I was like, I'd have certain thoughts where I'd be like, my biggest struggle is loneliness. Cause I don't have a partner and obviously I'm running a business alone. live alone, eat alone, sleep alone, student alone. Like so everything in life I'm...

sort of doing by myself. When my period comes around, I can get in my head and I can be like, I can say things to myself that are not very nice. I have to put things in place to stop that from spiraling because if I don't, I can be in like a three day spiral where I will just tell myself that I'm not good enough. Like I'll be alone forever. I have to say to myself, you live a really good life. Everything that you've got is immaculate. The only thing that you

Laura (15:43)

Okay.

Melissa Hall (16:02)

having got is a partner and it doesn't mean it's a bad thing and it doesn't mean you're never gonna have a partner. But I have to stop and have these conversations with myself. It's like I have to stop the thoughts in the track or they will spiral and it can get to a pretty dark horrible place. So yeah, I think not many people are aware of it. And I don't think there are many support groups out there for women to kind of speak to each other and.

When we are having bad days, just like check in and be like, just remember like tomorrow's gonna be better. It is just your hormones, it will pass. But yeah, final week before the bleed actually comes for a lot of us can be hard work. I'm sure you can agree. Like yeah.

Laura (16:35)

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

think for me, it's the things that kind of make me aware that it's it's coming is I get clumsy and then I get angry and then I get emotional ⁓ and tears come with all of those, you know, and that's not even on the PMDD level. That's just normal, shall we say? Yeah. And

Melissa Hall (16:56)

Yeah.

Yes, yeah, that's...

Normal, emotional, yeah.

Laura (17:09)

The struggle is real. It is. And...

Melissa Hall (17:12)

If anyone is watching this now and you do think that they could potentially have PMD day, my advice to you would be to start writing a journal, a diary. So if you go to the doctors and you want a diagnosis, this is what they'll want from you before they all see you. So if it's something that you think you struggle with, start a diary now and start writing down like the week, each week here cycle and how you're feeling and your mentality. And it will help when you go to the doctor then if you are looking for a diagnosis. So.

just for anyone that might be watching or might need a little bit of advice or help, that should help a little bit. Be trying to understand yourself as well. So yeah.

Laura (17:48)

Yeah, definitely

a good idea that for sure. With your symptoms and how it comes on for you in combination with your ADHD, what have you found helps you cope with it all?

Melissa Hall (18:00)

It's weird because I feel lonely but I don't want to be around anyone. Do you know what I mean? It's almost as if I need company because I need connection. But at the same time the way I'm feeling I just want to isolate and be alone. I can't really explain it. It's like... It's a bit of a weird one. I have to...

Laura (18:05)

I do.

That makes sense

to me though, that really does make sense to me, definitely.

Melissa Hall (18:21)

I have to

write, I'll write a list of gratitude. So I'll write down the things that I'm grateful for to try and throw that negativity out the door. It's basically, it kind of counteracts those negative thoughts and puts positivity back on in play, if that makes sense. So that's something that I will do. Just recognizing the pattern is massive. Understanding that it is hormonal and that it's not.

how you are actually feeling, if that makes sense. Like it is linked to your cycle and it is gonna pass. Some days I have to just give into it. Some days there's nothing that I'll do. I might have to spend the day in bed and cry and the next day will be better. But I think it just, take in each day as it comes. Cause I feel like last month was perfect. This month has been a little bit worse. I feel like next month might be a bad one.

Laura (19:13)

Do ya?

Melissa Hall (19:14)

So yeah, so I think it comes in waves. So it's just about catching it before it really gets a hold of you. Surround yourself with people that understand it. Like try and get like a little support group.

Just don't be alone. If being alone is like a trigger for you, try and just find people to be with. Go and be with your friends or be at home with your mum or just don't sit by yourself because it will make it worse. But you're not alone. You do all go through it if you are a person and you do so.

Laura (19:40)

That's it.

Definitely. if anyone, I'm sure Mel will agree, if anyone ever wants to talk or message or anything, I'm sure the both of us will be happy to respond. Yeah, definitely.

Melissa Hall (19:48)

I have been thinking

about trying to set up maybe like a WhatsApp group and I just haven't got around to it yet and I don't know how to head on and how I'm gonna fit that in with life but it is something that I am passionate about because obviously I I think women's health in general hasn't had the love that it deserves for all of time.

Laura (20:02)

Hmm.

Melissa Hall (20:15)

if that makes sense. If men were bleeding from their penises, I know for a fact there would have been more things put in place for men. Sorry boys, but I just think that I just feel like that's the way it is. So yeah, that's something I'm looking to do. But even just... Yeah, I'd like to link up and do stuff. Yeah, that would be amazing, yeah, 100%. A little collab, sounds great.

Laura (20:23)

Yep.

Maybe we can talk about it, see what we can do together. Yeah. Cool. That's it.

Awesome. So is there anything, because I am constantly addressing my physical health along with trying to understand my mental health. And within that, being...

nearly 40, taking the right supplements and getting the right exercise and strength training and stuff in. Do you take many supplements to kind of help with everything that you have to go through month in, day in, day out?

Melissa Hall (21:09)

I started taking supplements when I hit 30. I don't know why, I just hit 30, it like right now is the time. My knees are clicking. I was like, yeah, cod liver oil. I take quite a lot. I use the nutrition geeks geeks. Yeah. So I've got the ashwagandha. If you've ever heard of sea moss or shillajit, those two are my number ones.

Laura (21:16)

Yeah.

Yep, same.

Melissa Hall (21:34)

Taken sea moss completely eradicated the cold sore virus for me. Like I never got a cold sore for well over a year. I haven't taken that. I ordered it online and you can make it yourself. So it is basically moss out of the sea, dried up. So you'd have to like soak it in water, blend it, and then you can either add whatever else you want into it. So I put a little bit of Shilajit in there and then I'll add that into my smoothie.

Laura (21:40)

What?

Melissa Hall (22:00)

Now that's got like 99 materials, 99 minerals that the body needs. And obviously if you don't have a varied diet, you won't get all the materials that I've All the materials I've I'm like, you won't be getting all of the, help me out, that's it, there we go, all the minerals that need. I'm like, help us out Laura, come on.

Laura (22:14)

You've got paint on the brain you have.

Minerals. We got it.

Yeah

Melissa Hall (22:26)

So yeah, I take quite a lot to be fair. I don't drink tap water.

don't like to drink.

Laura (22:33)

Cause there's a lot of metals, yeah.

Melissa Hall (22:34)

metals and stuff in it. I'm I'm gonna

be honest with you, I don't trust the government. I don't trust a lot of people to be fair. I buy my water off a guy online called The Water Boy and it's Kangam water. And basically it's ionized water so I think the molecules in it are split. But it's supposed to have like anti-aging.

Laura (22:45)

Wow, okay.

Right?

Melissa Hall (22:54)

It's got loads of really good properties to it anyway, but yeah, it's called Kangam Water and have a little look at it. I swear by it. Best water on the market. You can buy machines that filter it for you, but I think they're quite expensive. So I just get mine off a guy online called The Waterboy and he's on Instagram. He's on the Northwest if you want to take a little look. But yeah, he delivers as well. So yeah, it's quite good. They come in five liter jugs, but yeah, I swear by it. It's quite funny. I don't actually drink water.

Laura (22:59)

Yeah.

Whoa.

Cool.

Melissa Hall (23:20)

I can't drink water alone, it has to be juice. It has to be flavoured, yeah, so I have to put something in there, like, unless I'm in a desert, I won't put actual just water in my body, I don't know why. I don't understand why the one thing we need to survive has no flavour. Yeah, like...

Laura (23:23)

has to be flavoured.

Mad, innit? Yeah.

I've never actually thought about that, that's crazy.

Melissa Hall (23:38)

One thing

we need to survive has got no flavor like it's not fair like just a little bit of orange or something I'd be happy with that

Laura (23:45)

You

Definitely, definitely. ⁓ obviously from following you on Instagram as well, I noticed, well, you've been quite open your university degree. That's where I'm going with this. No, no, it's not cliffhanger. I just can't get my words out.

Melissa Hall (24:02)

I was like, oh my god.

Laura (24:09)

⁓ So yeah, your university are you happy to tell us a bit more about that? truly interesting.

Melissa Hall (24:14)

So

when I mentioned earlier about manifesting, okay, so I'd say like four years ago, my relationship broke down and I had to start new, which as I'm sure a lot of yous understand, can be quite hard. So obviously I got the flat that I live in now. And I've never really been into like religion, but I went and moved into like being spiritual then, and like manifesting and trusting in like abundance and law of attraction, stuff like that.

So I don't know where this idea came from, but I wrote down a 10 year plan. And on that 10 year plan, it was to have my own construction company based around women workers. So that was my idea. That was my main goal. And then over the next few weeks, I was on Instagram. I wrote this down. didn't speak it into existence. And that came on Instagram and it was, Bath Spa University, management and construction. So I was like, I'm applying. That's a sign. I'm going to go for it. So I applied.

and they said the campuses that they had were Manchester, Birmingham or Leeds. So I obviously went for Manchester, that's closest to me. I went in for an interview and had to sit an English test and they asked me one question and I just reeled it off and she said, right, you've passed the interview, you've just answered all the questions in one question and I was like, oh, easy. And that was it, yeah, so I just think it must have just really aligned and I've just been put where I was supposed to be.

Laura (25:25)

Wow, check you out.

Melissa Hall (25:34)

I do really believe that everything happens for a reason, so yeah. I wrote down my plan and I'm three years into my degree. Like I'll be starting my last year in June, so yeah.

Laura (25:44)

Wow, that's, yeah, that's really awesome. And I can't imagine the pressure you are under with running your own business and doing that as well. Yeah, that blows my mind. So.

Melissa Hall (25:59)

My

ADHD makes it really easy for me to do things that are hands-on, but really hard for anything on the computer, so I can have a meltdown because I've got to send an email. So on my last assignment, I have 30 days to do them. I sat down on a Sunday and was there for 14 hours and got a submitted just in time. But I hate doing that, but it's almost as if my ADHD won't let me do it until I've got no more time to do it and then it's like right downtime.

Laura (26:04)

Okay

Wow.

Melissa Hall (26:27)

It's almost like we hyperfixate then and we get it done. But yeah, I'd rather build a house brick by brick than do paperwork. It's just madness. I don't know why. just, I've just always been that way.

Laura (26:30)

Yep.

No, I'm the same, I think

Sitting down at computer for more than an hour is, yeah, it can bore me to tears as well. I have to get up and, yeah, just walk around my flat or just do something a little different for a few minutes and then I'll come back to it I'll be like, right, okay, let's do it again.

Melissa Hall (26:56)

I notice as well at university when I'm in class, if there's only like two or three of us in there, I can focus. But if there's more than like five or six people in that classroom, I can't read a question on the laptop and it goes in my brain because I can hear table legs scratching, can hear conversations, phones ringing, I can hear everything happening. It's weird. So I can't really focus on it. So I go into class because I need to for my marks.

But while I'm there, I'm not really actually picking anything up because there's that much going on. Yeah, so I can't study in complete silence. I have to have noise. But if there's too much noise, it throws me off. I have to find the balance. It's a bit weird. It's a bit... Go on then.

Laura (27:26)

It's like sensory overload.

Yeah, definitely. I'm like that with reading. If I pick

a book up and I've got plenty of books that are like half read because I can't get through them, but if I'm...

Melissa Hall (27:46)

It's

above me now and I haven't read one book on that shelf but I've flicked through the first pages of them all.

Laura (27:56)

Yeah, I've learnt a few things, you know.

Melissa Hall (27:54)

least we've made some progress on them though. Yeah, I've heard

the furthest i got was the, Let Them Theory by that Mel Robins, so I dig that. More than a chapter three with that, so was impressed with myself. Yeah, I always try and push myself to read, but I never get round to it. I think listening to podcasts or listening to it in audio version probably works better, in my imagination.

Laura (28:03)

Yeah. Okay.

Nice!

Yeah, think,

yeah, I'm very much a podcast whilst I work kind of person. And sometimes I'm like, ⁓ OK, that's an interesting thing, because you like subconsciously listening and absorbing the information whilst you're physically doing something. But yeah, with reading, I have to have like just music on in the background that's got no words like Tibetan bowls or something like that, just something peaceful that's really

Melissa Hall (28:28)

Bye.

Yeah, yeah.

Otherwise,

when you start singing along in your head then, and then you don't focus on what you're doing.

Laura (28:44)

⁓ Yeah,

absolutely. But reading is definitely something that I'm trying to focus on in a way of learning more about myself and the whole gratitude and guess abundance and positive thinking and learning.

good habits, because funnily enough, the book I'm reading at the moment is Atomic Habits. I don't know if you've heard of it.

Melissa Hall (29:13)

got that up there as well so I've read the first chapter like I

Laura (29:16)

I was quite proud of myself the other night actually. I did like four chapters. I was like, boom, let's go. But yeah, I think, I think reading stuff like that as a self-employed person, as a business owner helps you kind of manage everything that is on your plate because again, building good positive habits that can be sustained will only benefit you.

Melissa Hall (29:39)

But

yeah, yeah.

Laura (29:42)

But, yeah, touching back on your construction, women-only construction company. So that's the aim, yeah? No?

Melissa Hall (29:47)

So I know that sounds very sexist When I started

uni, it was 8 % women to 92 % men. And they wanted to be 50-50 by 2030. I don't know if it will ever be 50-50, like But women, since I started my Instagram, absolutely blow my mind. If you're a woman, if you're in a trade, if you've got your own business,

Laura (29:57)

Wow.

Melissa Hall (30:11)

You are incredible. Like don't understand. I don't think you understand what you're doing. It's a domino effect. So like other women are seeing what you're doing and realizing their own self-worth and what they're capable of and pushing themselves to do better. And it is, I feel like there's a change coming in the world. I do feel like it is slowly leveling out. And yeah, it just, I am so impressed by you as well. And it makes me so proud to be a woman. So give yourselves a pat on the back. Like I love you's all.

You's are incredible, I'm literally, I love it. It's so refreshing to see, like even just before Christmas, I was in the shop of my painting and decorating stuff, and a man, looks at me, he looks at me and me stuff, and he says to me, painting and decorator, and I was like, yeah, painting and decorator. He was like, I don't think women should do that job, but that's just my opinion. And I just thought.

Laura (30:41)

Woop, woop, woop. ⁓

Melissa Hall (31:06)

I'm not going to tell you my opinion, but you have a nice day. do you know what I mean? There are still men that look down on women for trying to do a trade or trying to do a job. And it's almost as if they think we're not good enough.

Laura (31:19)

Yeah. And also, why did that dude think he was entitled to tell you that? Like, why did he have to say that to you?

Melissa Hall (31:27)

Because she's a man and he's like, you can do anything you want. It's a man's world, isn't it? It is a man's world.

Laura (31:29)

Well, this isn't...

I mean, we're not downing on all the fellas. Let's just be clear. Yep.

Melissa Hall (31:36)

No, Listen, we only know these

trades because men have taught us, so I do appreciate all you men. There are a lot of men that are very supportive of women, and I love yous for that. But there are a lot of men that need to get with the times. Come on. Let's make it more equal now. Men have had the ropes for the entire, for all of, like, all of time. Give us a little bit. Give us some of the fun. Let us see what we can do with it.

Laura (31:41)

There you go.

Yeah.

That's it.

Give us some of the fun, definitely. Definitely. I do agree though, I do think that things, there is a shift and it's happened over the last year or two, maybe a little bit longer. definitely. great, I love it. And yeah, seeing so many different trades on, I mean, Instagram's

Melissa Hall (32:04)

Give us some of the fun

%

Laura (32:23)

the biggest one to see everybody on. It's the easiest one to see people on, isn't it? So.

Melissa Hall (32:27)

Instagram

gets a big love heart from me. So much support on there. In comparison to Facebook, there is no comparison. Like Facebook is full of people that'll just troll you, just hate you. But I kinda like it. I love going through the trolls and seeing what they've got to say. And it says more about them than it does about you. Because they're taking time out of their day to make someone feel like crap. And you can't be happy if that's what you're choosing to do at your spare time.

Laura (32:49)

That's it.

Melissa Hall (32:53)

Happy people don't hate people aren't happy. So that's what I say.

Laura (32:58)

That's it.

I think my experience with that kind of thing, I've not had a lot of it until starting the podcast and the steady growth of the podcast and spreading my wings out into all the other platforms. I'm steadily getting some of these random comments on certain clips and stuff and I'm like, do I reply?

Melissa Hall (33:08)

Yeah.

When you get the trolls, you've made it. You're out there. You're getting out there.

Sometimes,

Laura (33:26)

Don't reply. Don't reply.

Melissa Hall (33:27)

a lot of the time, I have to bite me tongue and delete what I've wrote because I think I don't want to be like them. And I don't want to portray myself to not be a nice person because I wouldn't dream of making someone feel bad about their day when they're trying to post videos and do a livelihood. I think that's an incredible thing. Like they're trying to better themselves. Like even I will support anybody and everybody. It doesn't matter who it is.

Like I've got not a lot of love to give and I don't understand when people come from a front of hate and like I only have to guess that they're not, they don't live a very nice, like happy life or they don't have a good lifestyle or maybe they haven't had the best upbringing. But yeah, I just, people treat you how they feel about themselves. So don't, don't take it to heart too much. Yeah.

Laura (34:05)

Yeah.

Nah, not at all. It doesn't bother me. It's just,

yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it, where you think, shall I bite my tongue and just ignore it? But yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it? It comes part and parcel with putting more out there on social media. You're just gonna encounter different people, but it is what it is. Definitely. Now, obviously we've been chatting a lot since before Christmas and...

You have been insanely lucky, haven't you? Come on, tell us all your winnings, come on!

Melissa Hall (34:42)

No. Yes!

So, since...

Firstly, somebody gifted me an extraction unit. A Mirka extraction unit. So they were purchasing a new one. And I put a funny video on TikTok saying like... I don't really take my videos on TikTok seriously, it's just a joke. So I was like, who have I got to sleep with to get a dustless sander? Like, you know what I mean? Because I'd done Margaret's bathroom and I turned round and I couldn't see. It was a cloud of smoke, like...

It's just not good for your health. It's not good for like people's properties. It just doesn't look professional. So was like, right, 2026, let's get this dustless sanding and on the go. And I got a message off this guy and he said, I've seen what you did for Margaret. And I've seen your video on TikTok and I think that you deserve the unit. So I'm going to send you the unit. And I was like, what? So he sent me the unit and then I.

Laura (35:30)

Wow.

Melissa Hall (35:33)

got the two Mirka Sanders on my credit card because obviously the unit itself comes like £700 so he saved me a lot, he's like an angel. won't mention who he is because of his religion. If he does something nice, yeah do you know what mean, if he does something nice and then obviously boasts about it, it goes against him so he knows who he is and I love him for it and if you're seeing this, appreciate it so much but yeah he changed my life. So then I purchased the Sanders.

Laura (35:46)

That's fun.

Okay.

Wow.

Melissa Hall (35:59)

But then I entered the Tesa giveaway, I? Which was the tapes and the sustainer, which the sustainer itself was like 50, 60 pounds a buy.

Laura (36:02)

Yep.

I know, it's mad, innit?

Melissa Hall (36:08)

I won it, but then you won it as well, didn't get it, didn't me the Tesa on. was like, yes, I mean, that was really good. I can't wait you to get it. it makes life so much easier when you're taking your stuff into work. It looks so much more professional as well. I'm like, let me just get me tape on my box, lift in the lid, it's amazing. But then I get to random message two days ago and I was like, I almost think that these are fake accounts trying to scam me.

Laura (36:12)

I did, come on. It's coming in the post tomorrow. Yeah.

Yeah.

Melissa Hall (36:38)

So I'm like, is this real? This can't be real, I pinching myself. So I get a message off Wagner Company saying you've won the Christmas giveaway, which is the like the I think it's the backpack sprayer, but it's like a £460 piece of kit that I've won. And I'm just like, what? Let me go back to the manifestating Over the past two to three months, I've worked really hard on trying to keep my mind on

Laura (36:51)

Yep.

Come on!

Melissa Hall (37:07)

positive path on even bad things happen. I'm like, right, okay. This is supposed to happen. Trying to work through it in a positive way. And since I've done that, all these good things are happening to me. And I'm just like, what? What the hell is going on? Like, yeah, I can't, I'm so appreciative of it all. It's blown my mind. But yeah, isn't it? So yeah, I can add spraying onto the list of services.

Laura (37:26)

That's Love that.

Melissa Hall (37:32)

I am going to link up with one of the other decorators on Instagram. I've messaged her and said, when you next book a kitchen in, can I come and shadow you? Like, obviously, I don't want to pay for it. I just want to learn. And I've never used a sprayer. I don't know how you get the paint in there, whether you have to dilute it. So anything that can be absorbed for this little sponge in my brain, I will take. So hopefully this year as well, I'll be doing a little link up and possibly a little collaboration, which would be cute.

Laura (37:58)

Woo.

Melissa Hall (37:59)

yeah keep your eyes peeled for that one.

Laura (38:03)

See, that's just another example of us coming together as tradespeople and wanting to actually help each other instead of seeing each other as competition. The fact that you felt it was OK to go and ask if you could shadow and they've obviously accepted and said, yeah, absolutely. That's just, yeah.

Melissa Hall (38:23)

I, there was no doubt

in my mind or negativity when I even thought to ask that because of how supportive the painting and decorating community is. So I obviously, I live in Liverpool. I don't know any other decorators from Liverpool. I've never met them face to face. And when I've messaged them on Instagram, they don't want to talk to you. It's almost as if they're like, you're going to rob my job. So in Liverpool and my local area, I haven't met.

Laura (38:33)

There you go.

Melissa Hall (38:50)

any other decorators, but then when I went to the Painting and Decorating Show and I've met them from all over the country, the support has been next level. I honestly, I can't get my mind over how much, consider them within the same trade and we're all doing the same job. It blows my mind. I can't thank them all enough.

Laura (39:09)

Was it the first year you went to the show? Last year.

Melissa Hall (39:13)

So this, yeah, is the first year where I've had like my Instagram where I've kind of gone in fully. Beforehand, I just worked from my Facebook page and through word of mouth, so recommendations. I set the Instagram up, seeing so many other female decorators, but other females in the trades, trades, and was like, wow, it's opened up a whole new world for me because obviously I need to find all these when I set up my company. then.

Yeah, and then obviously went to the decorating show and the networking is just amazing. Yeah, it just feel like, it's like a grenade. I went there and it's blown up. So yeah, it's incredible.

Laura (39:40)

You

Amazing.

That was actually the first time I went both days last year. I went the first day on my own and within the first 10 minutes bumped into Pamela from Pamela Painted Spaces. And we spent the whole day together, wandering around and chit-chattering. then the second day I came back with my dad, cause he likes to come.

Melissa Hall (40:02)

Yeah, yeah.

Laura (40:13)

to the show and just tootle around and talk to people and stuff. So did.

Melissa Hall (40:14)

Yeah, that's cute. I did walk past you and

see your face, but we've not met officially and it was like you were talking to someone I think. So I'm like, I'm sure that and then yeah, we just didn't get to meet. We'll be at the next one. It's in Birmingham, isn't it? The next one.

Laura (40:24)

Ugh.

There you go.

It is, because they're joining it with the installer show, I believe.

Melissa Hall (40:34)

Yeah, I think they've bought it or I don't know someone's taken it over. It's a lot of it closer. Where do you situate it? Where are you?

Laura (40:37)

Yeah, it's going to be massive.

So I'm in Nottingham, so I'm Midlands. But yeah, it'll be a little bit closer for me, I think. Yeah. So.

Melissa Hall (40:47)

Yeah, I don't mind traveling

to be fair. It's like a little holiday for me. I'm like, I like it. But the painting and decorating show was so good and I came away with so much stuff. Like I wasn't expecting that. Blooming night, yeah. Obviously, a lot of freebies. yeah, obviously I paid, bought things, I got the Paint Warrior badger brush to try that? I haven't tried it yet. It's in the collection of 40 new brushes that I just.

Laura (41:01)

Really? There's a lot of freebies, isn't there?

Melissa Hall (41:15)

sitting there but see the thing is ⁓ when you when you pay for a good brush like that i'm scared to get it dirty like i don't want to hurt it i'm like no my precious okay i think i might have a sliver of autism with the ADHD because i'm a bit weird over like plenty of things

Laura (41:25)

Do you know what?

With that though,

Badger brush, washes really well. So don't be scared using it. wouldn't use it.

Melissa Hall (41:41)

Are you, you let's

say if your brushes to last and wash them all together kind of gal or do you wash them straight away?

Laura (41:46)

I wash them at the weekend, let's say. If I know I've finished with that brush for the week, then I'll wash it either Friday, Saturday, or maybe even Sunday. But yeah, I'm more like a weekly washer of brushes and rollers unless I really cannot be bothered.

Melissa Hall (41:49)

Okay.

live

Yeah, I

am. I'm gonna do it straight away. I can't. I'm like, get the paint off. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't like getting paint on the handle. I scrub it off. I want them to look new. It's impossible to keep them new, isn't it?

Laura (42:07)

Yeah.

⁓ I do.

It is, it is. The main thing is to look after them though, you have to because you spend what, seven, eight quid upwards for a decent brush nowadays. Gone are the days, I think, are buying your budget brushes and just tossing them. Tenner job, you know, or plus. I don't understand that mentality

Melissa Hall (42:24)

of, yeah, something honest.

But yeah.

paints on the market now as well. I mostly water based so unless you're them, it's at the bin.

Laura (42:39)

Yeah.

Yes, Zinsser BIN

Melissa Hall (42:44)

One of the

Zinssers ruins the brush, but you can keep it in. Keep it in the tin and just keep using that the whole time. So yeah, I think now with the paints that are on the market, because we've mostly come away from the oil bases, haven't we? Brushes keep kinda well, and if you've used Pretty Boy, you know the deal. We're doing some name dropping here, aren't we? Get in there.

Laura (42:56)

pretty much.

Oh. You do know the deal. That is the... Aren't we just? All of the brands. Come on. We'll tag you all in.

Melissa Hall (43:12)

I thought to myself, like imagine getting in the shower and just wetting your hair and not putting shampoo conditioning on it. Ugh, it's like straw. So why do we do the same to our brushes? So they need to be shampoo conditioned and given the same love as you would for your hair. So yeah.

Laura (43:20)

Yeah.

There

you go. Just makes sense, doesn't it? Right, we're coming to the end of our little chat here, unfortunately, boo, but I know real sad times. I like to do a quick fire question round, So it was a bit hard for me actually to find out some...

Melissa Hall (43:31)

That's it, that's it.

It's sad times, isnt it?

Laura (43:50)

personal bits and bobs about you. So normally I can find at least a couple of things or remember a couple of things I've seen. So here we go. Okay. Tea or coffee?

Melissa Hall (43:55)

Easy. You have to

coffee.

Laura (44:02)

wallpaper in or painting.

Melissa Hall (44:05)

I like that there's a difference. Like some days I paint, some times I paint so that it's not all painting. But painting is probably my go-to,

Laura (44:12)

Yeah.

driver or passenger.

Melissa Hall (44:17)

Driver? I'm never passenger princess.

Laura (44:20)

Me neither.

Meal deal or homemade lunch?

Melissa Hall (44:24)

I can't do sandwiches at the shop.

Laura (44:26)

Hmm.

Melissa Hall (44:27)

I

can't do sandwiches that I've got sauce on already. I don't trust. I've got an issue with trust. Yeah. Yeah.

Laura (44:30)

Okay, soggy, soggy sandwiches. Yeah,

not good.

Melissa Hall (44:36)

No.

Laura (44:37)

interior or exterior work.

Melissa Hall (44:39)

unless you like the cold interior. It's a hard one. I do like doing exteriors, I just don't get many of them.

Laura (44:42)

you

Okay, I've seen a couple you have done and you did a massive exterior on a... Yeah.

Melissa Hall (44:51)

Yeah.

The double cottage was absolutely immaculate,

so beautiful. Really happy to work on that one. When you get jobs like that it makes it worthwhile doesn't it? Just so nice.

Laura (44:58)

That looked banging.

Yeah.

Absolutely,

definitely. This is gonna be an easy one for you. Dogs or cats? Yeah. the little fur babies are having a nap behind you.

Melissa Hall (45:10)

Dogs, obviously.

babies there now. So yeah

it to be talks always.

Laura (45:19)

Bless. And early start or late finish.

Melissa Hall (45:23)

I always finish late so I'm gonna say late finish. I'd love to be an early starter but I am a late finisher so that's what it is what it is. There we go.

Laura (45:33)

There we go. It is what it is. Awesome.

I like to wrap up everything with a couple more questions. if you could be a different trade, what would you choose and why?

Melissa Hall (45:46)

So you know what, that's a hard question though. I like, I love building stuff, so like, that would come under carpentry wouldn't it? Cause I did engineering at school, I was really good with all the sheet metal and stuff.

Laura (45:57)

yeah you did yeah.

Melissa Hall (45:59)

I don't know, because I quite like the idea of tiling and plastering. I'm going to say carpentry. Yeah, so a carpenter. I think that'd be good, yeah. woodwork I feel like there's always something going on with that. You you's kept busy. So yeah.

Laura (46:05)

Yeah.

Awesome.

Yeah, there's a

lot of branches from it, isn't there? Definitely. I think I would, you know, renovating a couple of houses and stuff and seeing my joiner, carpenter, fit in the kitchen, for door and then obviously speaking to Emily Chippy ⁓ I don't know if you've heard of her.

Melissa Hall (46:16)

Would you go with carpentry yeah?

Yeah.

Laura (46:33)

it's from structural carpentry to the stuff we typically associate, skirting, door frames, doors, et cetera. Yeah, it blows my mind, the angles and everything, how it fits together. Yeah.

Melissa Hall (46:41)

No you don't.

then

I'm gonna try and my laminate floor but I think that's gonna be hard because of all the little angles and the little cutouts but ⁓ I'll take anything on me I always I just refer to myself as Mel as all trades because I'll just give anything a go

Laura (46:54)

That's it, innit? Yeah.

Fair play.

Fair play. And what trade or who do you think I should have on the show next?

Melissa Hall (47:08)

I have got a friend I would love for you to bring her on. She's a dab hand at everything. Like she impresses me so much. I don't know if I can share her page. Her name's Emma, but I don't know what her actual business logo is. But she's just, yeah, she does a bit of everything. She's taken on a campervan and converting that. She just, I aspire to be like Emma.

Laura (47:24)

Okay.

Mmm.

Melissa Hall (47:33)

I just loved, loved her, I love everything that she does and yeah, she's...

Laura (47:34)

⁓

Melissa Hall (47:37)

think I see a lot of myself in her. She's independent, she pushes herself, doesn't set herself no limits. yeah, I'd love to see her on. That's probably biased. Let me think of somebody else.

Laura (47:45)

Okay.

The Camper Van reno though, that's kind of gripped me because that is a dream of mine.

Melissa Hall (47:55)

Well, she's

done, it was a camper van, she's got a horse box. So it's a horse box that she's renovating. But yeah, she surprises me because there's always something new with her. She was tiling last week, yesterday she put up plasterboard, and was plastering. So I'm just like, yes, girl. I was like, can we just set up a company together? Because we can do it. I've got a lot of love for Emma and yeah.

Laura (47:59)

⁓ wow.

Okay.

Wow.

Melissa Hall (48:19)

very passionate about what she does. I'm proud of her. She's doing so well. So yeah.

Laura (48:21)

⁓ that's

awesome. Amazing. Now, where can people find you Mel? What are your social media handles?

Melissa Hall (48:29)

Social

painting with purpose. That's just my logo for now. I do want to get like a little one of me made up. It's hard work trying to find a designer and that so Painting With Purpose by Mel I'm on Instagram or Facebook and I do have TikTok but I'm not. I don't post that much on tech talk. That's just like for fun. But yeah, that's what you can get me on and I just want to say thank you so much for having me on. It's it's an honor and I really appreciate it. It's been amazing. Thank you so much.

Laura (48:57)

You're more than welcome. And I'll make sure that your handles are in the show notes for the podcast so that anyone can click on them and follow you. And yeah, thank you for giving me some of your time as well. I've thoroughly enjoyed getting to know more about you. And I feel like we'll be chatting a lot more from this going forward as well. So.

Melissa Hall (49:10)

on

Yeah, 100%. 100%.

yeah, thank you. I wish I wanted to say as well, well done on being worldwide because you're in Australia, America, the UK, girl, you're smashing it. Yeah, well done. Well done on the growth of the podcast.

Laura (49:20)

You're welcome.

Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah, doing our best. Even though it's my podcast, it wouldn't be doing so well without you guys, without you and the rest of the guests that come on, because you are what people are tuning in to hear, you know. So I can only thank everybody that's been on the show for the growth of it. There's a lot more countries that have listened. I mean, it's mad.

Melissa Hall (49:47)

Yeah.

Laura (49:57)

Every week a new one pops up and I'm like what?

Melissa Hall (49:57)

This is lovely fun.

Let's get the girlies out there.

Laura (50:02)

That's it. That's it. Well, again, thank you, for your time and yeah, we'll speak again soon.

Melissa Hall (50:10)

That's great. Thank you very much.