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Fernando "El Bordo" - From Graffiti to Cartels: Navigating Border Life and Creative Expression
What if the allure of street culture and border life offered more than meets the eye? This episode of "Unhinged Chaos" features Fernando, affectionately known as El Bordo, who brings his raw and authentic experiences from life near the Mexico border. From his surprising rise in popularity on English-speaking platforms to his collaborations with notable journalists like Luis Chaparro, Fernando opens up about navigating the dual worlds of Los Angeles and Tijuana. He shares gripping stories of transitioning from street graffiti to the seductive yet perilous world of cartels, painting a vivid picture of the socio-economic pressures that have shaped his path.
Step into the chaotic rhythm of Mexican border cities, where crime and law enforcement collide with influencer culture. Fernando takes us through the intricate dance between fame and danger, as artists and social media personalities find themselves in high-risk environments. With captivating anecdotes, he sheds light on the challenges faced by those trying to carve out an honest living in regions with deep-rooted histories of crime. Listen as Fernando offers insights into the dynamics of crime and law enforcement, touching on controversial topics like the designation of drug cartels as terrorist organizations and the complexities of the Mexican legal system.
Finally, we dive into the creative journey of El Bordo MX, where bilingual content creation meets cross-platform promotion. Fernando shares his enthusiasm for reaching a broader audience through English and Spanish storytelling, highlighting his brand's growth across platforms like YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook. With an emphasis on authenticity and collaborative support, he invites listeners to engage with his content for a genuine and evocative experience. This episode promises a compelling exploration of border life, creativity, and the intricate interplay of culture, crime, and resilience.
Hector Bravo. Unhinged Chaos is now in session. Welcome back to our channel, warriors. We are still growing. Today, another special guest we have, none other than Fernando, aka El Bordo. From YouTube and Instagram. He has been formerly charged with smuggling across the US border. We're going to talk a little bit more stuff than that. We're going to talk about the hot topics in Mexico going on right now. So let me introduce him. What's up dude? Hey, what's up man? Thanks for the invite.
Speaker 2:Oh for sure, bro, I see you blowing up, man.
Speaker 1:I've seen you for a minute now, dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I've been well. I've been invited to these channels in English, so that's kind of where I've been popping up on feeds and stuff All right.
Speaker 1:So did you anticipate English channels to be the ones reaching out, or did you think it was going to be down south?
Speaker 2:No well, I mean to be honest, the first channel that I went to like a big one was Danny Jones with Concrete and Luis Chaparro, kind of put in the work for me.
Speaker 2:I seen you on that one, yeah um, I had like three or four episodes on on my channel on my youtube channel at that moment. But uh, I've been talking to luis for a moment now and um, just kind of like I just started following him and kind of fact checking him on some stuff that he will report, yeah and uh, we we came close. He's a good friend. So he put in a word for me with danny j. He's like hey, this guy might be I mean, you might be interested in this guy's story. Whatever, danny Jones hit me up. We talked for about an hour, an hour and a half. He's like hey, bro, I got to get you down here, so flew out to Florida there you go, bro.
Speaker 1:And while you were fact-checking, luis Chaparro, shout out to Luis Chaparro. I'm pretty sure it was pretty accurate information, right? Dude seems like he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he doesn't. What I like about Luis is he doesn't really have an agenda you know Right right right Other than that, getting like the hot topic news, you know, but I mean that's their job to get something that you know. Journalism, yeah, but he's not interested in like throwing shade to somebody or politics or nothing like that. He actually like if you, if, if you have something to tell him, he actually like pays attention. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean so yeah, he's keeping it real bro.
Speaker 2:2025 man yeah, yeah, I mean, and I see people like like commenting stuff on there is his page and shit like that, but they don't know him. And I mean everybody thinks journalism is corrupted a lot of it is but on lucia parro iro I kind of can vouch for him.
Speaker 1:Definitely, definitely, bro. So are you a US citizen? Yes, dual citizen or US citizen?
Speaker 2:No, I was born in LA you were born in LA? Yeah, but I grew up in TJ. Basically, how old were?
Speaker 1:you when you went to TJ.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I never lived out here, but you were born in LA. My mom, she had her papers and my grandma and everything. So she came to school out here and you know, just a typical living in TJ and coming to work or school out here in Chula Vista or San Diego. And then we had some family in LA. So when my mom was pregnant she stayed over there for a few days and stuff and then she had me and then she went back home and that's kind of how I grew up too, like I came to school out here but lived out there. So just Back then Late 80s, early 90s Nah, this had to be. I'm from 89.
Speaker 1:So you know all that Like late 90s yeah.
Speaker 2:My mom never really got an apartment right here till like I don't know I want to say 2005 maybe when she started like having like her and her friend having like a roommate and we would, we would stay there and you know, and her friend's kids would stay there too, and stuff like that. And then she got her section 8 and you know she did all those things. Right now she owns a home she does own a home yeah, so, so yeah, but she's been hardworking forever.
Speaker 1:Was it difficult to cross the border at that time.
Speaker 2:I mean I think it's been the same man. Obviously, after the 9-11 stuff and all that, lines got longer and the waiting time. But I mean there's still some days of the week where you could just pull up and it's like 30 minutes to cross, and there's some where you can pull up and it's three to five hours to cross.
Speaker 1:What about the century man? You recommend that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely yeah, If you get approved, true, true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Tijuana? I'm not going to say I'm familiar with it, but I've been there a handful of times, bro. Uh, you said you grew up like near the border. That's where the name is, right next to el soler and el soler is literally next to the fence.
Speaker 1:So it's my hood, another one and the fence. How, where is that?
Speaker 2:in proximity to el zona norte uh, like five minutes up towards the beach. Okay, if you follow the fence like zona norte is on the fence too right, you just go on that hill, or you know, you can see from here that hill or that, that highway, that's el soler, and then right next to it it's los altos where I'm from, so also more, just more down the fence yeah, just more down the fence. Yeah, just up that little hill so are they more toward the?
Speaker 2:ocean, then not all the way up there, it's just sona norte and then up the hill and then it's right there it's like two minutes.
Speaker 1:What zone is next to that one?
Speaker 2:on the other side of you that's well, that's what it's called mirador miramar. And then you go to the next, because it's like big hills. It's like, right, this hill is el sole de los altos, and then another hill is mirador miramar, and so like that. And then another hill, it's's Colonia, cardenas Laureles on the bottom, and then it's the beach.
Speaker 1:Now, how much do those areas differ from one another?
Speaker 2:Not much. They're the same, everything is pretty much the same.
Speaker 1:Same people, same neighborhood, same get down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the same, yeah, yeah, it's pretty much everything's the same.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, dude, like I said bro, I've seen your interviews and I'm like I want to ask these dudes some like specific questions. Yeah, I want to figure that shit out. I'm sure a lot of you would want to know how it operates down there, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean obviously some places differ because, like I, were talking about all this area, from, like la libertad zona norte, centro, aleman, and all those next to the fence, that that is all like old tijuana, like old Tijuana. Old Tijuana, yeah, like my, my grandparents, they were the first one there. So what's new Tijuana? Old time? Uh, no more to the east, okay, like um Villas and and all the Boulevard 2000,. And all the Santa Fe, it's like have been coming. I mean, I'm pretty sure, like I said, my grandparents migrated from the South but, like my mom was born in Sonarorte, so after her it's all. We're all locals now, you know, but it's relatively young, you know, tijuana is like 125, I think I have no idea, dude yeah 120 years old, 125, something like that.
Speaker 1:I on that side of the fence, you know where the buses are at, and La Lina, la Lina, that's all La Lina right there. Let me ask you this, bro, cause I'm going to start getting into it Is there people?
Speaker 2:hanging out at La Lina that are just observing. Yeah, I mean, they got to. If they're into the business and stuff like that, you always have people.
Speaker 1:The thing is, you know so now, what I'm referring to is like are they observing? Because I, I get dude, I get, I have anxiety, bro, so when I go down south I don't feel safe. You know what I mean? Because I can't carry a gun, definitely ain't gonna carry a knife. Um, are there people observing to maybe kidnap? No, no they're not observing.
Speaker 2:No, the thing is that's not really well looked upon amongst the people, even the guys that do other jobs. You know what I mean. It's not something like it's very frowned upon. You know what I mean. It's not like other places like more south, where it's normal. Maybe Over here the guys that kind of do that would be the government. You know what I mean that they held you for a few hours until you gave them some money and then they let you go over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I have a fear, bro, and it's, uh, a case of mistaken identity. How is there people watching like, oh hey, that's a rival cartel, that's a rival gang, and then they want to do something to them?
Speaker 2:no I mean, um, now you really have to be a little bit in the mix. I mean, I'm not saying innocent people don't, you know, happen to be in an accident or something like that, but mostly it's like when you're very much into I don't know something local, I don't know, like I don't know, it's just this environment where everybody knows who's who there. Yeah, over there and that was going to be one of my other questions yeah, it's kind of the same thing.
Speaker 1:So even here everybody knows who's who for the most part.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So out there it's like everybody knows who's who, who's cousins to who and stuff, because they all work not together. But maybe one day you're working with this guy, maybe one day you're working with this guy, maybe one day you're working that guy and that guy and you hear stuff, you meet people, so that's you know.
Speaker 1:You kind of know who everybody's player well, that makes me feel a little bit better, bro.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean I get it. I get it because, like, if you just watch the news, yeah, it's like fuck man, like how people living down there, you know. But then at the same time it's like if you're there, you might not even notice that shit's happening. You might have a good weekend and not no, not hear no, no drama or anything, and and you just had a good time, you know.
Speaker 1:So in relations to the united states and the news about violence. Maybe some people that are not from the united states they'll watch the news and they'll think, damn, they got a real problem with uh active shooters. Is it the same as damn, they're amplifying the news?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's the same thing because, yeah, people in mexico they really trip on like like um active shooters, like like public shooter, like out here like walmart and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:They're like no, like you know what I mean. They, you know, scared like because, like I said, usually like in wars over there and amongst like the bad people, they kind of know who's who. You know, yeah, obviously, like people take advantage or shit like that. Or you know innocent bystanders might pass away, unfortunately, and stuff, but they kind of know who's who right. So it's not something that you know. You don't want to kill innocent people. They're on their thing. You know where over here is like anybody can get it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it's like right what the damn bro, you're making this sound more dangerous than over there actually and and it's the same thing, because you go to walmart every, whenever and you, you don't feel it.
Speaker 2:I mean, correct, you know it's kind of possible, but you're not there scared. You know, correct, it's the same for us in tijuana.
Speaker 1:It's like you know it's just happening, but you're not really like, oh my god, like you know what I mean, you're just kind of like living, you know so um, did you grow up out staying out of trouble or did you start getting into trouble?
Speaker 2:nah, I did start getting into trouble very young. Um, I kind of like that, that, that street life, you know, just hanging out with the friends and and doing stuff, and um, we're very, um, we're very kind of bullish a little bit. Yeah me, me and my friends Against who. Just against.
Speaker 1:Everybody else yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Kind of like, kind of that, that hood mentality Like you know.
Speaker 2:So Desmadrosos, yeah, very desmadrosos, yeah, and and very like like if we have beef with somebody, we'll look for them. Just spend a day looking for people and stuff like that. So yeah, we were those kinds and all that generation we started tagging over there. Graffiti was big when I was, you know, early 2000s, stuff like that. Graffiti was very big. So we didn't really have like gangs like out here, more like what they call tag bangers. You know Like we would do graffiti but we would also like fight and you know all that and the fighting and you know all that. So and the thing is like that whole generation we all knew each other. You know the graffiti and the crews and the parties and stuff and um, eventually we, you know, you start noticing people. Like when the cartel thing came, like to the cities was ariano felix active at that time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were super active.
Speaker 2:Straight, active, right, but it wasn't like. I mean, cartel wasn't even a word. You know what would you guys?
Speaker 1:refer to those people as Mafiosos, mafiosos.
Speaker 2:Yeah, malandros.
Speaker 1:But you knew they had a lot of money.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, because they're, I mean especially like for me that cross the border and you see their picture every day and they're offering five million dollars for these guys. You know what I mean. So, um and then, um, yeah, just, they were kind of always part of the culture. You know they were in the news every day and high impact. You know crimes and stuff like that, so everybody knew about them, but you don't really like understand.
Speaker 2:You know it's not like today, where there's a lot of documentaries and a lot of news and shit like yeah, you don't really like, I don't know, when you're young you kind of don't really understand normal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I I think we didn't even get like the idea of the thing, you know right but then eventually you start growing up and then, like some, some people had like families that their uncles were doing stuff, so they kind of already heard and stuff and they started putting one and one together where it's like, oh no, you know, these guys are this and they do this and we were just on the graffiti trip, street stuff, you know. But eventually, uh, like other I was always the youngest, so like all the friends started turning into like I don't know they started crossing things or sicarios or stuff like that, because they were being, now they weren't, you know, just growing up and the graffiti and the street stuff. You kind of like you leave that behind and and then you find this that's getting popular now, like by this time, like the war cartel is not a thing, right, and you see, like convoys of people, you hear shootouts and stuff, so that kind of sounds more for, in an ignorant way, more badass. You know, instead of like doing this graffiti stuff and fighting for your crew, you kind of want to like, hey, you know, it's elevate to the next level.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly so, and I mean that's the mentality of the street, mentality, you know. And instead of like, like I said, we in the hood, like the guys we see with money. You either had a good job in the us and and your truck was on credit, or or you were doing some illegal shit, you know. So, um, that's kind of why you get pulled into it, because it's like, I mean, the only way to make it out of here is, you know, either do this or that's.
Speaker 1:that's my next question. So is there really like lack of opportunity down there?
Speaker 2:Um, if I mean you, I mean it's a hustle town. You know it's. It's, it's a. You really gotta gotta fucking figure it out. You know it's not. I mean, over here you get a shitty job at a construction site and you're good. You know might be a shitty job, but you're good, you know you're gonna get some good money secure yeah, you know, and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Whereas over there you need to do that and then some stuff, since sell, like sell some used clothes on the weekend and then cook something and sell lunches and no retirement plan, right, you know it's hard to get like we have what they call like in Fornaville, which is like our section 8, I think kind of like and obviously it's not the same. You know there's some aid from government and stuff like that, but you really have to hustle yourself, even if to yourself, even if you have like a career, even if stuff like that, you really have to hustle to like know the right people to get good jobs and you know all that stuff, it's not really like I said, whereas over here, I mean, it gives me a new perspective, hearing it from you, bro, but you always hear they limited opportunities down there.
Speaker 1:But actually, like hearing it's like, well, fuck, maybe it is true. You know what I mean. Like you really don't have a choice. Do you have a choice? How do you view that?
Speaker 2:now you do. I mean you there's. I mean obviously there's people over there that are wealthy and rich and they they never. Maybe they're wealthy maybe they, you know because but, um, but I mean tijuana was kind of like um, it was built on that, you know. I mean from the early ages, when the prohibition and stuff like that, they would come over there to party and move the stuff out there.
Speaker 2:You know, even sandy has always been military. So all the military come over there to party and move the stuff out there. You know, even sandy has always been military. So all the military guys over there and for the girls and for the booth and everything was.
Speaker 2:It was like free for all you know so tijuana was built on hong kong, you know all that man, I mean all those like, even though the the wealthy families like family wealthy, they had to be on some shady shit, because that's that's what the city was built upon. You know kind of so that makes sense obviously. I mean I bet there's families that are really like straight and, you know, have the legal business and stuff, but uh, but it's also very common that the other guys, you know they they either have something to do with, like the prohibition there or or the drugs or some kind of contraband you know.
Speaker 1:So at what point did you graduate from tagging to now? You are committing pretty much federal crimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Shit man. I mean, that's a good question. I never got. I mean I kind of know the time, but the exact moment. What about the time Like what?
Speaker 1:was going to ask you some things, bro. I mean, I kind of know the time, but the exact moment, what about the time Like? What was going on? Was it a conversation?
Speaker 2:I mean everybody was just. I think I was kind of like the late one to leave the graffiti thing because I didn't only tag, I did like murals and stuff you know, oh shit. So I liked painting, I was always drawing, I was always like you know, I was always the guy with a notebook and tagging everything in school. Is some of your art still up? Yeah?
Speaker 1:definitely yeah.
Speaker 2:Proud of that or what yeah it's cool because I mean, like in that video I did with Johnny Mitchell and Ed Manifesto, where I take him to my neighborhood, like there's some stuff that I did when I was like 15. So like in 2005. Oh shit, dude, so that's 20 years. Yeah, years yeah, and uh, yeah and it's, it's kind of cool, I mean it kind of feels heartwarming a little bit so.
Speaker 2:So I was kind of a little bit late on that, you know. But once that all my friends were doing it and they were either selling some stuff or doing this or that or violent crimes, you kind of start getting into it. You know, you, oh, you know, and I go with you. And then, yeah, eventually you start figuring shit out. And it got to a point where where, like every dude like I met that I knew like had something going on, I was like, hey, whatever you need, I got you. You know this and that. And that's how I ended up in the MCC when I was 19,.
Speaker 1:You, know, did you get caught one specific time and that's where you landed in federal custody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what were you caught with Individuals? Yeah, well, it wasn't really my charges weren't smuggling, because I was walking them across. So it became aiding. And what do you mean? You were walking them across? Yeah, like we would use Well, the guy used to work for. Well, here's one of those moments, I think, where I was just young and wild and trying to do whatever it was to do and I remember some guys offered me to cross the car and I was like, yeah, sure, I I'll do it. But in the neighborhood we had this, this guy that I always mentioned, don sergio, and he was like he was that uh, old school, uh mafia thing, you know, like he didn't like violence, he helped out the community. You know he's always helping like sick kids from the community and stuff like that. So he fought, but he was. He was known in like cartel and stuff, but he was just very humble and shit and and, but I'm sure he was a killer as well, nah, he wasn't.
Speaker 2:Nah, he only smuggled people and he only. There's a lot of people that don't like to kill and don't like to do any of that stuff. It's just heat also, but more in a conscious, you know. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:So they only made money. And he was one of them and I remember he found out I was going to cross that car, I don't know how. Obviously, later on I learned that he was very connected and then he called me to meet him somewhere, like right before I was going to get the car, and then he just pulled out some. I remember he pulled out like two car registrations One was fake and one was real and he's like tell me which one's real? And I and obviously I didn't know shit, I was like I didn't know. He's like how do you, how do you not know? Like you're being set up, how do you not know this? And he's like tell me you're not going. And tell him. I told him that you're not going. And I was like all right, and I did that. And from then on he kind of grabbed me under his wing and and, uh, I guess he figured out like if, if I don't get him to do something, he's going to Do it anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2:And he started giving me like this, like what I was called for, which it was really nothing. Like I said, he had a lot of papers that it was like real papers, like visas and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then we just found one that looked like you.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, and he had people in the south, like with alahara and stuff, like parents that uh, I mean uh, family members, that that would send them people. So they were all like recommended, you know, like hey, so and so wants to cross and this, that he's been doing this all his life. Like he crossed through the like. I remember he told me stories about getting chase, he did time out here and he's just a pollero all his life, you know, and uh. But eventually he got to a point where he was like a boss now and he could just, like you know, move his stuff around and stuff and he just had a lot of papers and he had like the safe house where he had like uniforms of like construction jobs and shit like that.
Speaker 2:So if your visa was a working visa, like he would dress you up as a worker and you were going to work and you would cross, like at five in the morning, four in the morning, like when everybody that's going to work crosses and we will practice in the house like what would you tell them? And you know stuff like that, and then I will walk them across. What do you mean by you will?
Speaker 2:walk them across they will just follow me in the boat, like we go walking, cross walking, and I'll tell them like hey, just follow me, like two or three people behind me, but make sure you go to the cup that I go to. You know, because I already I've been crossing all my life so I kind of already knew some of these guys.
Speaker 1:And I mean, I remember there was two guys that they were, just they would look at your paper and give it back to you and go yeah, Go, so like if those guys were there it was like, but I want to know how did they connect you to the people behind you?
Speaker 2:They told. They asked him, like what were you going to do when you crossed? He's like, well, I was following this guy. They ratted on you. Yeah, basically one of them. It was a girl, I remember she was like 18 also, she was going to Oakland and I guess she got scared, I don't know. I mean, I never really told him like hey, don't tell him you're with me or anything. I was just like yeah and yeah, and then we would get on the trolley.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this dude, If you're getting caught at the border, there's a INS cop or whatever. I see what are they? They're Border Patrol Customs. They haven't technically crossed into the United States yet. So what do they do with that 18-year-old?
Speaker 2:Just say back uh, no, I think she, she, but once you admit what you were doing and stuff like that, I think that's they take into some type of custody. Uh, yeah, that well, yeah, people that she did time and I remember I didn't even know that, dude, yeah, I yeah. People like it's illegal entry, you know so, um, and it was, they would mix them with. I think I was having a conversation with one of the guys that's in jail right now about this and the politics, because they would mix the illegal entries with like criminals right, you know what I mean. And so I would be in the mcc and like some of them were just here illegally. They and you had these guys with like some cartel guys and some polleros and stuff like that, and it was them. And I think, uh, I think they're getting, they're changing everything. I think trump is changing everything. Now We'll get to that.
Speaker 1:So the 18-year-old rats you out, you're like what the hell, man they approach, you say come here, put your hands behind your back.
Speaker 2:Well, they let me. Well, they stop her, but I cross. And then every time I cross and I see them getting like they didn't make it, I would just go back to TJ and tell the guy like hey, he shouldn't make it or whatever. And then so the next day I'm going again. Oh shit, and we crossed. I got on the trolley and they were on the trolley with me.
Speaker 1:No way dude.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it was funny because I had a feeling there was a guy next to me that I thought he was it, but it was actually the guy behind me and I was just saying my friend, like in Spanish, like in code words, like hey, I think this guy is an undercover like next to me. And then we were just I even started fucking around with saying like hey, you think he understands if I say like chinga tu madre and shit like that. And we just started fucking around but it was the guy behind me. So when they had they kind of just checked out the operation, once they see somebody was picking us up in Palomar trolley station, yeah, once the pickup came, like all these undercovers just showed up and we got arrested.
Speaker 2:So they drove me back to the line, I mean to the border, and then the offices, the guy showed up. He's like hey, you, you remember me? I was like should I? And he's like well, I was right. Uh, behind you in the trolley and I, I heard you mentioning something about undercovers. I thought you made me. I was like I, I mean, I thought it was the guy behind me.
Speaker 1:I didn't really think it was you know so now, at that time, did you think it was excessive what they were doing compared to what you were doing, like sending undercover cops to follow you on a trolley? Uh, a little bit, because, um, all these cars that pulled up was like six cars and and you know what I mean, and um, and you could be like, hey, you could have just arrested me at the fucking border and we would have cut a call to the day, man, yeah yeah, yeah, I mean, but they also caught the, the pickup.
Speaker 2:You know the lady that was picking up and um, damn which, it was a sweet lady, I remember she was very, a very nice lady and um, but yeah mean, I don't know, it seemed a little too much. You know, even my probation officer when he read everything he's like, you know, this wouldn't even be a crime if it wasn't in the border. Like you wouldn't even have to do time for this. You know, probably community service or something, but since it was federal, since it was a hamul or dozer.
Speaker 1:They had a little camp there. People were just flooding the border.
Speaker 2:I mean I, and I heard about you know I've seen it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, fucking night and day bro yeah, so I mean they'll put you in a car and take you to a hotel. Dude Like, hook you up bro for free. Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, Different time frame, different politics dude. Yeah, how did that make you feel?
Speaker 2:I mean, I think us that live on the border we don't really rely on, like the American politics on that, because a lot of it is just politics, man, I mean like remember, oh, remember, oh, we're gonna build a wall, and then they build a wall and nothing changed, right? So so, to be honest, like I was talking to tommy g about this, even when we're out there in mexico, they would ask the guys like what do you think about trump? And it's like they're like trump, obama, biden, they're all. They're just politicking.
Speaker 1:You know, they say stuff that's gonna, you know well there's a good, excellent question, bro, because trump just got elected, uh, today is january 23rd. He got elected recently, or he took office, and he immediately designated, uh, the drug cartels of the terrorist organization which you know. That pretty much means you can send us special operations. Does that affect mexico?
Speaker 2:uh, like I said, I think it's in the politics, because I also read a little bit of the breakdown and he's trying to do that for the guys that are in here. He didn't really mention anything about. When they ask him about going over there, he's like maybe, but you know, I think he's good at playing that clickbait game. You know what I mean and it's also very different and stuff like that. But out there, like I said, it's, it's just politics. I mean it's not until we see, actually like american, americans like patrolling the city or something like that, and actually it's gonna like people are gonna, you know, take, take notice on that, other than that it's just talk, basically let's talk about.
Speaker 1:You talked about patrolling the city man. I've been watching a lot of interviews, documentaries about the local police, the federal police and what is there? A state state, local state, federal? Um, if I were to cross into tj, bro, and I'd just be wandering around, am I gonna get stopped and detained in question?
Speaker 2:uh, depends what area I mean we don't know, no, like uh, let's say you have like like, if you say like sonarrio and el hipodromo and all this, like more tourists and more like where the stadium is and the restaurants are and all that stuff, I mean, yeah, you know, unless you have like a really nice car or something that really like attracts attention to them, they might pull you over. And just you know, unless you have like a really nice car or something that really like attracts attention to them, they might pull you over and just you know. But a regular pullover, you know like license and this and that, what do you do for a living, blah blah, and then, um, then that's where it depends, where it goes. You know what I mean. Where can it go? What are the options? Uh, if you, I mean like, say, for instance, like your case, like your case, like you might be like cool, you know, it might be like, oh, okay, but I also might not be cool.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you have pictures with guns in Vegas, they might be like, hey, you know, I could turn you over for this even if it's not true.
Speaker 2:Because they can check your phones and stuff. They could. They can't. Well, good thing, you let me know that, bro, they they supposedly it's illegal, nothing's illegal, but I mean, you know what I mean? Um, so you know stuff like that. You have weird messages and stuff like that, which I think happens mostly to locals, or that, or to people that that are there more constantly. Yeah, but if you're really just a tourist, they might just try to get like 50, 100 bucks from you.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about a tourist right, because, uh, and maybe I should ask this question now so you can know what I'm talking about. Let's say, I commit a crime in the United States and I have to go on the run right, and me right now I get up and I go to TJ. I don't know where to go, bro. I don't know who to meet up with.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you're going to have people. Yeah, like I don't know. You heard the Casagring Shout out to Luis Chaparro also for covering that. It's a group of state police or I think, maybe mixed, but I think it's more on the state police. It's what is called Enlace. So it's them. It's a group of police from both sides of the border that have communication with each other. We're like, hey, we think he might flew to Tijuana. You know, we think he's hiding there, so they'll look for you. Who will them hiding there?
Speaker 1:So they'll look for you. Who will them?
Speaker 2:on that side the state police? Yeah, the state police on that side. They will look for. There's a unit especially for?
Speaker 1:Is that what Ed Calderon, at Manifesto, used to do?
Speaker 2:Well, he was a state police but he was escorting the lieutenant Teniente Coronel. But there's a whole, there's just a little group of cops looking for what do you call it? F little group of of cops like looking for for um. What do you call it?
Speaker 1:like um fugitives, fugitives, american fugitives yeah, yeah, because okay, so damn that's now. Is that only if I'm one of those people and I have your face and your name on a list, they can identify me? Or are they looking? Are they constantly looking? Being proactive?
Speaker 2:yeah, I mean if. If, let's say, you get pulled over and you pop up with a american id, yeah, they'll run it through the enlace. Oh fuck yeah they'll be like hey, we have uh, just the cf, just running your name. You know, just start regular running your name and uh, if, if it comes back, you know they'll take you in and then they'll tow you over in the in the border well, there goes that plan, bro.
Speaker 1:Not that I plan on committing a crime, right.
Speaker 2:I think that's what every American thinks If they commit a crime, I'll fly it to whoever or whatever.
Speaker 1:I knew that Mexico works with the US in extraditing fugitives. I knew that. I just thought I'd have a better chance. Bro, At least blend in.
Speaker 2:I mean you have a better chance of going southern.
Speaker 1:If bro, at least like blend in you have, obviously you have a better chance of going southern if you stay in tj. You're just not thinking straight because tj is okay, I'll play your game bro. Yeah, how can an individual like myself go southern by foot, by bus? How the fuck do I travel bus? Yeah, I think bus would be like they pay for a bus, get on the bus ticket and just go down south. Yeah, now let me ask you this At any point in time, will I get stopped by a drug cartel?
Speaker 2:checkpoint it depends what states you go to. I think cartel checkpoints are mostly in areas where there's a lot of war going on, like Tamaulipas, maybe Sinaloa right now because of everything that's going on. Son, like maybe Sinaloa right now because of everything that's going on Sonora, you know there's. If they're like in an active war, that's when the checkpoints set up because they're looking for rivals or people sneaking in to combat them or stuff like that. But I mean, if you drive to other places where, even if there's cartel activity, if there's not like a war thing going on or shooting or stuff like that, you just might be able to roll through.
Speaker 1:You know, like nothing see, I make it down south man. Would it be beneficial to approach a drug cartel member and say, hey, I'm looking for work instead of what. I'm a fugitive from the america, from the united states, and I need to eat. Right, I need to need to do something. I'm now in Mexico. Would it be beneficial to approach a gang member or a cartel member and say, hey, can I work for you? Well, I mean.
Speaker 2:Or that's not ideal. I mean, if that's what you want to do, I think I don't know, man, I think if you get like a fake ID and get a job and just start, a regular life, you have a better chance then a fake ID and get a job and just start a regular life you have a better chance than Because cartel I mean First of all, if you don't have.
Speaker 2:Okay, let's say you're a fugitive. If you don't really have any connects or something that's going to make the cartel money, they're not going to care about you. You know they're going to send you to start killing people and they don't get killed. You know what I mean. What?
Speaker 2:if I'm particularly good at it, you know but if you have, if you're like, hey, you go up to the car, they'll be like, hey, I have some cousins in fucking ontario that sell a lot of stuff I could get. They're gonna be like, oh, yeah, and they're gonna take care of you. They're not, they're gonna make sure you don't get caught or and you don't get stopped by police and stuff like that. So, other than that, it's just gonna be nothing to them, you know.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, just get a fake idea and start a new life, bro you know, hey guys, consider becoming a patron, where you will get first exclusive dibs on the video before it airs to the public and you'll get to ask this guest special questions that you have in mind. So that's also another way to support the channel. Thank you, guys, appreciate all of you. Keep pushing forward. Make sure you hit that link in description below dude um shit, those are the main questions that I wanted to ask you, bro, because I was wondering, like, how does one function down there?
Speaker 2:you know, yeah no, I mean Conejo the rapper. You know he was a fugitive out there for 16 years. That's a long time dude.
Speaker 2:You know, and I think he kind of got in a little bit of trouble and that's why he ended up getting caught back. And that's why he ended up getting caught back, which I think it was a blessing, because he had Absolutely you know, but yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people that do that now. That's why there's units now just specializing in finding them. What a trip dude. Yeah, and Luis Chaparro is a regular podcast. Shout out to Luis again.
Speaker 2:It's called Casa Gringos, yeah, and it's just him patrolling with those guys, patrolling with those guys. Really, yeah, I gotta check that shit out. Yeah, it's just, it's just audio, but it's just him going around and finding these people, like I mean, uh, you know how some americans are, you know that they go out there and then some of them just go down there to kill their wives and their kids and stuff. You know, like these white guys, that, yeah, you know they, they commit those kinds of crimes, right, I don't know if it's a race or thing, but you know, I get, I get it, and a lot of them have been caught because they go down there and they just do atrocious crimes, like the last episode I think it was a guy that killed his wife and his two kids, or something like that, out there in Rosarito. He got caught out there, you know, and it's just like yeah, man, you really want those guys to get them, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're monsters.
Speaker 1:I have heard, I know of about five people, a handful of people, Americans, that have been down south and have gotten caught with a gun because they were law enforcement officers and they fuck, fucking damn, and, bro, they went to prison. They went to prison in TJ for like four months. One was a correctional officer Still is Shout out to him, to him, but uh, what's your take on that, bro? That the tj cops are seems almost seem like they're so eager and willing to arrest an american for a possession of a weapon, although it seems like locals too, you know, but do they?
Speaker 2:yeah, they arrest a lot of locals, a lot, a lot of locals. I mean, the only the only way to get uh away with that is if you work for a certain organization that has judges on their. You know you would get like you. You probably stay there for a few nights and then you get bailed out and and you're supposedly finding your case outside or you know shit like that. But uh, but they do arrest a lot of people for guns, a lot, a lot of them.
Speaker 1:I had no idea bro.
Speaker 2:And it depends on like the, the there's something called like uso exclusivo del ejército, like some guns with high calcars are like that's for the army and stuff, so but if you have like a .380, you know, you might do a little bit of time or stuff like that. But yeah, I mean it's like like for us Mexicans out here, like illegal people can't get mad of being deported when you know you're illegal. You know, even if you ask, ask them, they're looking for the ice cover because they know they're doing something illegal, you know, right, it's, it's, it's the same out there.
Speaker 1:I mean, you go out there and do something illegal, you're gonna get arrested I always thought it was a free-for-all down there up until I've had this conversation with you.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you get caught with money and like five thousand dollars, then you might be able to like, hey, you know what, I got this money and shit like that but and you might be able to pay them off before you get taken. You know, but it's, you know it depends. You know, it's never really for sure. Maybe the cop does really wants to turn you in, you know, just to have a little trophy, or I don't know. You know it depends.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I mean the chance is always there. The chance of corruption is always there, you know. I mean look, remember the case of the Army guy that drove down there with a bunch of guns.
Speaker 1:He was in the Army, army or Marine Marine. I think he was a Marine.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a few years ago and supposedly they pardoned him or whatever. But in reality even Dan Bilzerian remember the Instagram man he flew down here and he spoke to whatever and everybody in Mexico knew like, yeah, they paid the government off to get this Because there's no way Did he get out? Yeah, they got him back over here.
Speaker 2:And supposedly it was a very diplomatic interaction, and they're like no, bro, them bills didn't pay you guys off. Like you know what I mean? A lot of money, yeah, obviously, because like everybody was like, yeah, he was out there for like a week or I don't know how long he was locked up for, but that was a major crime, bro. He drove into Mexico with a bunch of machine guns, you know it wasn. So everybody is like, yeah, we know what happened. Like you don't have to get all diplomatic on us. A crime is a crime, you know.
Speaker 1:Right, damn bro, you're making it seem like it's not that bad, Like, is it really not that bad down there?
Speaker 2:I think it's not that bad man. I mean, obviously, like in the cops, the corrupt cops, there's a lot of them and they, they don't make a lot of money man, you know they don't make a lot of money.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't think so. That's why they're after your money. So do you think they feel bad about doing what they do? I think it's a normal now. I think it's a normal thing, man. I mean it even works for the records if you get pulled over. You got a license but you got 30 bucks. You know some some. If you're a local cops will let you go with not that amount of money. So I mean it's kind of a win-win for both. You know, like you give them 30 bucks, he lets you go, you save time, you know whatever. But it depends if you're driving a nice car with with no license and you're like I got 50 bucks, like come on, bro, we're, it's three of us, like they'll be, like okay, I got 80 bucks or I can get you, and then you know they might, you know, put squeeze a little bit more of you. But uh, at the end of the day, I'd rather give them the 80 bucks than actually have to go and pay the ticket and get my car impounded and all this.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So it's a uh harmless crime, you would say, which eventually, on the long run, it ends up, you know, ends up harming. But at the moment it just feels like, eh, you know hook me up.
Speaker 1:What about ass whoopings? What about them? I was watching the Tommy G episode, bro. It's like the cops will go over there and beat your ass.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean, if you're doing shady shit, obviously Well how shady.
Speaker 1:What are the levels to the shady Like what's going to give me a good ass kicking?
Speaker 2:Uh, like the one I got, you mean yeah yeah, tell us about that. Well, I had. I had a lot of messages with the wrong kinds of people back then and I had Were you in TJ.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in TJ and got me and stuff and they went through my phone and they just found a lot of crazy shit and they at first they thought they were going to get a lot from me. So you know they beat the fuck out of me and shit like that. But in some of the messages they read some names and over there, like even some not even like most of the cops have to have some contact with these organizations, just they do. Yeah, because they, the cops, have to have some contact with these organizations, just they do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they don't want to arrest the wrong guy, or they don't want to. You know what I mean. This is what I'm trying to unravel, bro. I'm trying to get into the mind of how shit operates down there.
Speaker 2:Well, for example, in my case, when they read like some names to some of the messages one of the guys they have group chats out there and in different like whatsapp encrypt, not whatsapp, but like encrypted like trema or signal or shit like that.
Speaker 2:And and the group chat is obviously like organization, which is so in those group chats is like bosses and and like mid-levels and police and shit like that. So, wow, so for, for my case, like once they read some names on my phone, uh, you know, referring to some of these guys, one of those cops was in in part of that organization, so he took a picture of me and he sent it to a group chat and because they have to check first, and they were like, hey, does anybody know this guy? He's. I have some messages like we caught him doing this and that and and you know. And then eventually some guys were like, yeah, I know, hey know, hey, that's him, that's so-and-so, why do you have him? Like you know, when they saw who was like answering for me, they kind of backed up a little bit, but they had already beat your ass. Yeah, but they hadn't gotten anything from me yet. They were just like asking me questions and shit like that, and once that happened, the whole vibe changed.
Speaker 1:So somebody of heavy influence, somebody important, spoke up on your behalf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, three or three guys, and then all of a sudden, the cops' attitudes changed?
Speaker 1:Changed? Yeah, Did it look like they were scared, remorseful, confused.
Speaker 2:They were like fuck.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:We're not going to be able to get like a lot from him. But uh, because I even remember like the guy telling the cop in charge. They're like, hey, they're asking about so and so and the group chat and this and that, and he's like, don't, don't open the message, wait, wait 10 or 15 minutes were you able to hear what they were talking?
Speaker 2:about yeah, yeah, I was able to hear. And then they went back to where I was and they were like okay, bro, look like I'm gonna help you out, but how much you like, literally like how much can you give me like now, damn? And um. And I told like anyway, I don't got no money, but I got, I got a gun in my house like I could give you that, you know, and call it a day. So, yeah, they took my gun, which back then it was worth like a thousand bucks. What was it? Nine millimeter? It was a nine millimeter um six hour, I think.
Speaker 1:Damn dude.
Speaker 2:But they were trying to get. Obviously they were trying to get at least 5,000 or 10,000, because I was with another friend and here's the funny part, because my friend, he's very, very well known in a different organization. So they kind of hit him more than me because once they found out who was who, they're like okay, so he's with our friends, but this motherfucker right here, you know, and they even told me, like why are you hanging out with these type?
Speaker 2:of yeah, yeah, they really got in in the team thing you know what I mean, dude. So, uh, which I mean at the end of the day, kind of helped me out because, right, but when you get caught, like I remember back then when I was young and I first started local cops, everybody was on the payroll because it was one organization that ruled everything, right. So anybody you got pulled over or anything, you'll be like hey, I work for so-and-so and they will let you go. You know like hey, I'm so-and so this and that, and they will let you go. Like I don't.
Speaker 2:If they weren't trying to like, let you go, you will call whoever and you will give them the phone, like, hey, they're calling you on the phone. If they will not take the phone, they will call them on the radio on their personal. They will be like, hey, give me the number of the patrol car. So I remember, because that happened to me once. I gave them the number of the patrol me, he's like why didn't you tell me like this? And I was like I was trying to tell you, you know, but nowadays, well, or more recently, when, when that thing happened to me, the the ass whipping, um, everything's a mix, like there's like three organizations and shit like that.
Speaker 2:So you can't really be like, oh I'm from so-and-so, because oh, you are, you know, and they might be from their enemies or shit like that. So I kind of had to stay quiet and not say anything until that guy read the messages of who I was talking to and he took a picture of me while I was all tied up and he sent it to a group chat which, thanks to him, you know, everything turned out different.
Speaker 1:I know you're talking about multiple organizations right now. Are you familiar with Mexicali? Yeah, a little bit Mexicali. What about you know anything about Los Rusos, or the Russians? Yeah, yeah. What is that? Just another cartel.
Speaker 2:It's a faction of the Sinaloa cartel. It's a faction. Yeah, they were very deep in Sinaloa and eventually what I got from the news and from word of mouth is that they got in an argument with another guy out there and they sent these guys to Mexicali to kind of cool that off.
Speaker 1:To cool off the plaza.
Speaker 2:No, no like like in Culiacán there was two guys like oh, to clear that off over there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to clear that over there, but did they? I mean, but it has nothing to do with the, the being a border town.
Speaker 2:Uh, uh, no, they all.
Speaker 1:Sinaloa has always run mexicali, since 2004, since 2003, 2004 they've been running mexicali, so so they just switched, like management, you know, fucking human resources, yeah the guy that was in charge of mexicali that actually mayu, I think.
Speaker 2:He called him to like be closer to him, so he put these guys there. That's nice of him. I actually knew a guy from the roses array that everybody's seen on on the news. Uh, in the shootout, like a few years ago yeah yeah, actually he's doing time.
Speaker 2:He got caught uh, but uh, he was in a shootout with his kids, like, uh, he, he was always running around with his kids and uh, they were getting a haircut and some enemies pulled up and started shooting the the barbershop and him and his 17 year old kid shot back and they actually like got away clean. But I, one of the kids, had like a, an injury, so, uh, my friend drove to the hospital, but I mean it was a big shootout and so he eventually got caught in those videos of him, like you know, getting caught and he's incarcerated where In.
Speaker 1:So he eventually got caught and there's videos of him, like you know, getting caught and he's incarcerated where In Mexico right now Mexico. Fuck, that's a bad place to be incarcerated bro yeah shout out to Tolín. So there was that shooting. And then recently here in San Diego there was a shooting with Doom Buggies or something.
Speaker 2:In.
Speaker 1:Ensenada.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, I've seen that shootout. Yeah, well, ensenada, I mean it's also kind of like a battleground. Ensenada is yeah, yeah, like not like the tourist area, but like well, yeah, like the Oscars and stuff like that. I didn't even know that, dude. Yeah, they have the. I mean people fighting in the plazas and stuff like that. I like the, the razor drives and shit like that. I mean not everybody, but there might be some guys involved and shit like that. So I guess they thought they just pulled up and shoot everybody you know which. It was crazy because some of those, some of these guys shot back and and they ran them off. You know the guys that were shooting it. But a lot of innocent people died on that they did yeah, fuck dude, yeah, just for you know it.
Speaker 1:And then there was the people from Texas. It was like three black dudes and one black lady.
Speaker 2:Oh, but that was over there in Matamoros. See, that sort of changed the difference in the way cities and their game is ran, you know, and Matamoros is way smaller and thing is a little bit more wild out there. It's more wild out there, it's more wild out there. See, tijuana. Tijuana is a very important plaza in for, like, even if you're not into crime, you know it's, it's a very it's like money make tourism, yeah, tourism.
Speaker 2:The city is very big now it's very cosmopolitan and you know, um, metropolitan I mean, and um, so you don't really see these big convoys or checkpoints and stuff like that, because that just gets everything hot. You know, correct, the shootings happen in like, say, carios, pulled up in like little Uber-like cars. You know, here, no, yeah, yeah, here. So it's not like, oh, like three pickups came in and shot everything.
Speaker 2:No, it's like a little Uber driver or maybe even a taxi cab you know, and they have to be more low key on all those things, because you don't want to get the city, you know.
Speaker 1:Riled up.
Speaker 2:But sometimes the bosses you know they ride around with like the government. So you might see a convoy that it's all government trucks, but you already know that's the government or that's a mix of both. You know, and uh, some of those guys are pulling people over just to see who they are when they're, you know they're out and about. Really, yeah, they don't, they don't fuck with you, they just pull you over like a regular check, like hey driving. Once they say you have nothing to do, you know you go, but um, yeah so a police officer here in the united states.
Speaker 1:Their duties are, you know, respond to calls, burglaries, domestic violence. They see dui drivers. What about in mexico, dude? Who the hell are they targeting? What kind of crime are they fighting? What? Or it just seems like they're harassing and beating people up, or no, no, no, like they're harassing and beating people up no, no, no, they're working man.
Speaker 2:I have friends, cops, that are in. The one of them is in the. It's called GOE GOE, grupo de Operaciones Especiales, special Operations Group, and those are bad asses, bro. They're after the bad guys. Who's the bad guys?
Speaker 1:the bad guys, I mean, the guys are committing crimes. You know, cartel, uh, yeah, even cartels. Well, that's the thing. That's the thing is like is there, is there seems like there's different levels to this game there is.
Speaker 2:I mean especially in tj, because tj is not like, like I said, it's not run by one guy, like if, when things things go smoothly, when it's run by one organization, because everybody just responds to that organization, so everything runs smoothly. But when you have all different kinds of shit going on, like dude.
Speaker 2:What a mess, bro, you know people do shady shit and like blame it on the other guys and stuff like that. And you might be even the cops. You know if they're, if, let's say, that group of cops, they're really like brotherhood, you know, they're really like they're really together. So there might be like hey, we got this malandro, but he's telling us he works for so-and-so Right, but fuck that, don't answer the call, let's just fucking take him. And then they blame it on some other cop or shit like that. And fucking you know they going to do it.
Speaker 1:So besides the cartel operations and crime is there like, let's just say, I'm a married man, I get drunk and I beat up my wife and she dies. That's like a crime, right, that's murder. Yeah. Is there stuff that like that happens? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Murders, yeah, I mean, yeah, lately we've been having a lot of it's fucked up because a lot of girls have gone missing on their ubers, you know, like late night after party and shit like that, and they find them dead and shit like that no way yeah we'll be having some of those, which is very fucked up, and also even the uber drivers a lot of them been getting jacked for their cars and they just shoot them just to get their cars or their cell phones or you know, because it's a lot of meth heads, you know a lot of meth heads doing all this petty crimes and stupid shit like that, you know.
Speaker 1:So what do the cartel think of the meth heads doing stupid crimes? Well, the thing is, they don't really Interact.
Speaker 2:They don't really care about those, they don't. They're out there. They're trying to make their money and stay away from shit like that.
Speaker 1:So, like they don't really so the police and TJ, they're trying to go after the meth heads.
Speaker 2:They're, and, TJ, they're trying to go after the meth heads. Is that who they're going after? Yeah, yeah, Anything has to do with meth, really, because even the K'nex and the trap houses Fuck dude. So that's kind of more of the regular day crime. You know the little robberies like that.
Speaker 1:So damn bro, I have a daughter right and the best thing I can have is knowledge of down there. Dude, what is some advice or what can security measures can a female do in tijuana? Maybe she's american, she goes in friends of two. What would, what would be a tip to help them not get taken hostage?
Speaker 2:uh, well, usually I think, is if if find like a, uh like a driver like an uber or a taxi driver, and then just become friends with them and every time you go you call him, like hey, I'm a B&T, and pay him, good, you know, and just have that trust that you already know somebody that's going to drive you. You know, like even crossing, like the taxis that are there, the green ones, if they're from there, and you kind of get it from there like they can't really fuck it up because everybody knows them.
Speaker 1:So I mean, I think that's what I would do Take public transit a taxi, that's right there, yeah, and you know and tip them good and stuff like that. You know and I mean, in my case, I think that's what I would do. You know, just find somebody I could trust, like a driver or an Uber driver or something like that.
Speaker 2:and then, just who are these females that are coming up? Missing Locals, yeah, locals. What age dude? I mean it doesn't really matter. I mean obviously young girls, you know, but they get them like leaving the party, leaving the club and stuff like that Do you?
Speaker 1:do they ever find them? Yeah, alive or dead, damn, it's kind of a stupid fucking question, bro. But damn, do you think there was foul play Like more to it than just a murder?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think most of the time it's more to it than just yeah, I think, because a lot of them are innocent. I mean I'm not saying that all the girls are missing. You know, some of them might be involved in some stuff missing. You know there's some of them might be involved in some stuff and but uh, but a lot of those, those cases that I've been reading and stuff and it's. I mean I get worried, man, because I have like sisters right and and it's just like fuck man, I you know, damn dude.
Speaker 2:So um, um, yeah, that that's. That's crazy to me. But, like I said, even the uber drivers are getting, they're asking, but they're getting robbed by their stuff. They're getting shot. You know, some of them have been shot like they do, like their tiktok lives, and they're driving around the city. And one guy got shot in the live.
Speaker 1:The camera wasn't pointing at him, but but you could hear the whole thing happening, you know, and um, so anybody, any civilian, could be an uber driver down there and tj, I mean, if you have your paper, your license. You know you have your stuff right yeah, and the and these people are getting jacked at gunpoint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pistol whips shot robbed yeah, man, and how do they feel? I know there's another stupid fucking question, but how do they feel about it, bro, like a tj, I'm sure cars are hard to come by. What do you do? Do they have insurance?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, they, they have insurance and stuff. Like a lot of them rent the overs, you know so. So the owners have all the things set up, but uh, what a lot of them do is they don't go to like the oscars or like or like these sketchy neighborhoods and stuff like that, that they don't really go out there or they only work during the day time, you know, or stuff like that, you know.
Speaker 2:I mean whatever you could do to try to, you know, stay out of trouble, you know. But yeah, a lot of these, a lot of guys it's sad, man, but fucking, but fucking meth heads, you know.
Speaker 1:Meth heads cartel. What other layers of crime is there that I'm not, we haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 2:Well, smuggling, smuggling From here and back, anything.
Speaker 1:Does the cartel differ from the smuggling or it's the same organization?
Speaker 2:Nah, it's the same. No, it's the same. I mean um. The thing is, the bosses are just about business. You know, I mean money making money the way you fucking can if you stole from them, then yeah, they're gonna go for you.
Speaker 2:you know, they don't really, you know. But then that's like a, that's like a whole section of like criminal guys. Then you got these other guys that run the trap houses and shit like that, and that is more like a gang thing, like whereas this neighborhood might be from certain organization but the next neighborhood is from the other guys, so they're just shooting, killing each other's fucking trap houses and shit like that, and you know. But, like I said, that's all surrounding the meth thing, you know.
Speaker 1:Quick question that and you know. But, like I said, that's all around the surrounding the meth thing, you know. Quick question what if I work? What if I'm a sicario and I work for a well-respected, well-known organization leader? Let's just say I just executed somebody, boom, and the police stopped me. Am I able to say, hey, I work for so-and-so man, let me go and you can go?
Speaker 2:yeah or no? Yeah, you might. Yeah if you're, if you're that you're on that level. No way, dude yeah, maybe, yeah, but I mean you might have to give him some money or depending. But yeah, yeah, you, you'll be yeah, get out of there, yeah but, like I said, right now the cops are in a whole mix of things. So what if the guy that gets you it works for your enemy you?
Speaker 2:know, oh, because there's three raw that I know of, you know, operating in tijuana yeah, that's so fucking sketchy bro but I mean, if you're really like that close to the boss and stuff like that, and the guys that get you are just like local cops, you you definitely be able to tell, like, speak them off, you know let me ask you this question is it better for the public, let for yourself, if there's only one cartel down there, or if you have three, no one, it's better, yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they pay the cops, they pay all the cops and stuff like that, and even the cops, they don't have to decide. Everybody's on the same page. Yeah, they're not getting killed for working for the wrong guy or anything. They're all for the same thing. They already know who's who and who's you know, so it makes everything smooth. I mean that's why in Sinaloa everything was running smoothly for a lot of years, because they were all like answering to the same people you know, or the same families.
Speaker 1:And then they split.
Speaker 2:Now that it's split, it looks like Tijuana.
Speaker 1:Hey you, you're right, you mentioned the Uber driver getting shot on the live.
Speaker 2:What about fucking El Pirata de Culiacan, bro? Well, fuck man. I mean, there might be some guys that you know just want to show their boss a trophy, you know? Or just do something just for the or.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm sure they don't fuck around down there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, man, obviously he didn't deserve what happened, but just the things he was saying. You know saying like that, I mean you have to expect somebody to get, you know, get mad or something. You know, especially probably that dude. You have to expect somebody to get mad or something, especially probably that dude. Yeah, I mean, especially if, like, I don't know if that were to happen to me, which obviously has never happened but if I'm drunk and I'm filmed saying something, the first thing I'm going to do is call those people, apologize.
Speaker 2:And be like hey wait, I was drunk. You know whatever I'll do, you know, no harm, like just fucking. You know whatever I need to do to not have them. But if you just go on about your life, you know they might think you really feel that way, you know, fuck dude. So I met him. I met Polito Taco.
Speaker 1:Villacan, you did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I met him at least five times Down there. Yeah, we were in Los Mochis, we were out here in Tijuana. I went to Los Arenales and just was he still?
Speaker 1:was he? What is he? What? Was he like a social media influencer back then? Yeah, but he was just a 16 year old kid man. Oh fuck, he was only 16. Yeah, he was just fucking like. I thought he was an adult, trapped in like a little man's body.
Speaker 2:You know there's some people. He was just a kid. He was literally just a kid, like there's no way like when you're around him you. You would be like he's just a kid, bro like but he was always about getting faded, doing fucking yeah because he went viral for getting drunk.
Speaker 2:So everybody, he went everywhere he went, everybody wanted to get him drunk. You know, get him drunk and I mean, if you're a 16-year-old you live in this little like rock star famous like, because he was poor, you know. So now he found his life where he's. Where was he from? I think he was from Sinaloa. I don't remember what part right yeah, and he was getting all this attention from, like artists and influence stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, you kind of feel yourself, you know, but uh, uh, his friend that was with um, he was working with him. I know him too. I shut him out. Uh, he, he was always like, giving him clothes and like and telling like, hey, wait, don't be doing all that crazy shit, you know chill, and stuff like that. He really cared for them, you know, yeah, but uh, 16 years old, all that crazy shit, you know, chill and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:He really cared for them, you know. Yeah, but at 16 years old, bro, you're fucked. Yeah, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I mean not, that he deserved what happened but, it's easy to fuck up big and you not even know what you're stepping yourself into. You know Definitely, yeah, so Definitely. Rest in peace you mentioned artists.
Speaker 1:What? What's up with Peso Pluma? I know recently they put a fucking letter out there saying, hey, you can't come do your show down here. Is that like a political stunt? Is that real?
Speaker 2:What's your hunch? In some cases it's not them, but it's, let's say, the promoters that are involved in shit. But those big like the banners and stuff where they, if they threaten the artists, the city cancels the event. You know what I mean. So it's not that artists were scared of promoting, you know. Sometimes the artist knows who's talking to.
Speaker 2:But if the cartel is like not, but the promoters that are bringing you here, they owe us money and we don't want them, you know they're, they're enemies then we're gonna cancel your show. We're cool with you, peso, but we gotta leave this banner out. So the city cancels the event, so these motherfuckers don't make money. You know what I mean to fuck up their game, you know. But I mean all the artists. They're, they're good out there. Man, unless you're really like, you're really like with someone you know, like that that the streets know about because, like I said, everybody knows everybody. If you're just an artist that just see this cartel boss just when he hires you, then just just another musician, you know. But if you're always there with them, you're borrowing his cars, you're doing this.
Speaker 2:Oh, somebody bother you, so you tell him hey, he's talking shit to me then, that's where you're like hey, wait, you're, you're kind of part of it now you're enjoying the fruits of this. So now you're part of it. You know, but a lot of these guys they know, they know that that's not convenient for them. You know they're making good money and they're very famous.
Speaker 1:You know we're at but at the same time they wouldn't mind playing a show at a ranch private big ass party well, they got to.
Speaker 2:You know, they live in mexico like you know what I? Mean, I mean and and they're just doing their job there. It's not like they're singing and they're beheading people in front of them. You know, it's just a show and sometimes you show up to the party and it's like a family party, it's like kids have you been to one of those parties?
Speaker 2:I've been to many of those parties, yeah, and, and a lot of them, the families are there. You know, fiesta de los perrones, yeah, and there's some of them that are held in like and like what they call offices, which is just like safe houses. You know where you've been to those too. Yeah, those are more wild because that's just like a fucking cartel party like that's no families, that's just a bunch of fools doing drugs and getting drunk with guns and shit. But the same organization.
Speaker 1:When you say office party, is it because it's in an office building like this?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, they call them offices. It's just safe houses or like places they know that are. Now, is it a regular house or a mansion? By me? Mansions it might be like penthouses, it might be, you know. Like elevated studios, like um like high rises with a view expensive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of drugs, yeah women, yeah guns yeah bro, don't make me pull teeth, bro, tell me what. If I walk in, what the hell am I gonna see? Very important people with suits, or do they dress?
Speaker 2:normal. I mean, you know the look, you know the Givenchy's and the brands and shit like that. And they're all like on their early 20s, you know kids, almost looking kids, but with their little handbags, expensive like Louis Vuitton, everything. You just see money, man, and I mean there was one time in one of these parties where there was like $2 million sitting in a table. I don't know what the fuck for, but I think they were counting it or some shit.
Speaker 2:And then there was like some fucking I don't know like some stuff that looked like bricks and there were some guys that looked like government guys and there was just a bunch of 20-year-old playing Like. There was some of them even playing like ticklish to one guy, like they were bullying one guy, but it was just tickles and shit like that. And I remember that was the first time I had one of my friends there with me. So I always leave early those parties because I know like after one or two in the morning shit gets crazy. So I always leave early.
Speaker 2:And we left early and my friend was telling me like, hey, I seen that guy in the news and she was like hey, wait, we get off the building. So we got off the building and my friend was tripping because they're like, anyway, it seems like these guys are like dangerous, but they all cause they were all like my friends. My friend was like 21 or something and a lot of them were his age and they were just like playing, like, like horse playing and shit like that, and there was musicians playing and and I don't know. It kind of felt like, if it wasn't for the things on the table and the guys that were there. It kind of felt like just like a friend oh yeah, a regular kickback.
Speaker 1:Yeah, except it was not.
Speaker 2:But it's not Definitely. It's not Definitely, bro, yeah. And I mean, I remember that day we had an iconic view because we got up, got off the building, we crossed the street to catch our Uber and it's a very well transit area I'm not gonna say where, but it's a very well transit area. And then I remember we looked up and all of those guys were laying, were leaning on the on the thing and they're just looking at the city. And we looked up and it we just saw like the top of the building. We saw like eight shadows of them, just like. So it was kind of like a cinematic, very cinematic. You know picture when I picture. When I looked down I was like look bro. I told my friend, look all these people they don't even know. And it's like the boss of Tijuana was just like staring down at everywhere you know. So yeah, stuff like that happens. That's wild, bro, it is. It's like it's very different In TJ. The game is very different than other states.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you about that bro, you mentioned youngsters 20 years old, louis vuitton is that the new generation that we're seeing now? Yeah, I mean that typical what you see on instagram where you see like rich kids and stuff like that. You know are those guys?
Speaker 1:killers. I mean, you know what I mean by killers, bro like I mean maybe they have it fucking in them to kill a motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and even if they're not doing it themselves they can just send people.
Speaker 1:You know that's probably where they're at. You know what I mean. Now, did they get to where they're at because of their fruits, of their labor, their hard work, or are they kind of piggybacking off of their father's legacy?
Speaker 2:Depends. Some of them did. Some of them had brothers and their brother passed away and now he's just. Some of them had dads, some of them, you know, but um, not a lot of them just came up by themselves, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Really yeah, that's the difference in TJ. You don't really need to be like from a family or something If you're no way dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, in your humble opinion, is there winning at the end of that game?
Speaker 2:I mean, if there was, I would still be in there. You know, correct, I always tell people, like they think I'm glorifying or stuff like that. I was like, anyway, if it was a cool world or if it was something like that, like there wouldn't be guys that leave that world. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Right People would just stay there because you're winning right, so why would you leave? But no, the reality is that even the bosses, every day there's a thought of like man, I need to stop, you know, and because I know, like I have conversations like, like I said, like I was saying earlier, my generation of like graffiti and stuff like that. Some of those guys became bosses now. You know, are they alive? Yeah, and I mean one of them is like of like graffiti and stuff like that. Some of those guys became bosses now. You know, are they alive? Yeah, and I mean one of them is like his right hand man to one of the top bosses and he's my friend from childhood, you know, and he's still alive and everything.
Speaker 2:So whenever we have conversations and stuff like that, we don't really talk about like, oh, how many people you killed regular friends conversation, like, anyway, what you do for new year's, all this and that, anyway, I've seen your podcast and stuff like that and all this. So they all have that moment where I'm like man, I'm fucking tired bro, like man, like you know, and and they all wish they had. That's why they fuck with musicians so much, because they just they see, like the, like the artist lives, it's kind of their lives, without the criminality. Women, money, party music, you know all these, you know things that come with it. It's. It's like I see it. They're like man, I wish I could play an instrument.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean, that's why they become?
Speaker 2:because they're really fans of the music that they're like and the lifestyle and stuff and they're like they admire, like even myself, what, like even myself. They always give me props. They're like, hey, wait, like one of them was even telling me like, hey, wait, my respects, because you could be doing a bunch of like, you could be with us. You know, and you, just like I know, you've been struggling with money. I never take their money for you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Why Is it? Because it's kind of a tit for tat.
Speaker 2:No, they're my friends. Some of them are cool, but I don't want like no conspiracy being like you know, if they get caught or something I don't want to. You know, I don't want their enemies to think I'm working with them. You know that's fucking smart bro, yeah a lot of it's just like nah, you know, chill, and they get it, you know, and they give me props for it.
Speaker 1:They're like man I wish, like you know. I mean they wish, they can you know. But I mean, do they have an option at that level? Do you have an option?
Speaker 2:not really, because you already got a list of crimes that you look for they're most wanted, guys.
Speaker 1:You know I guarantee you once, once the walls close in on them, it's almost like a relief.
Speaker 2:It is, it is it is. That's why I mean a lot of them. You know they just fucking let it out. You know they're like it gets to a point where it's like oh, finally, you know you know what I mean. And then, um, I mean other stress come after.
Speaker 1:You know, like oh, yeah, prison shit and shit like that.
Speaker 2:But but I mean, yeah, they get to an age where they're like man I'm stress is always gonna be with me now, absolutely dude, you know, and because, like you said, even after they get caught you know they got to fight in court, they got to fight in jail stuff. If they get extradited they're away from the family.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness you know a whole bunch of stress comes up to that, what thoughts do Mexican nationals have about United States prisons?
Speaker 2:nationals have about united states prisons. Well, the thing is, the thing they fear the most is that, um, they're away from their families. Some of their families can't cross to see them fuck. So that's that's really the part that hurts, I mean. And then it's the corruption. You know some in some prisons. In tj you might be able to have like your tv and shit like that. You know stuff like that. If you're like in low levels but in maximum security and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:not really, but in a lot of them, you know, there's always like a way Right, and your family can come see you and shit like that. But once you're in another country, you know I mean what, if, what? If you're an I'm in europe, bro, correct? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:like what the fuck you know, so that that's the real that's the real fear, you know. Just being away from your place of your home, that's crazy dude. Yeah, what about el cueva de peludo? Man, you're familiar with that. I say that because I say that because I ended up there one time with co-workers and fuck bro I think we've all ended up there.
Speaker 2:I didn't expect to go there.
Speaker 1:I didn't expect to go there, I didn't want to go there, I had no intention of going there.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's just the places, bro, where you're risking your life for a good time.
Speaker 1:No way, are you serious, bro?
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, I mean, I think right now it's closed. I don't know if they reopened it because they've been killing a lot people in there and stuff like that and and I just all right.
Speaker 1:Remember? I asked you the question what happens if I wander around the over the border? Will I be all right? What happens if I'm in like Cueva de Pelugo? Could I have gotten got? Yeah, no, because there's a fucking asshole. I'm saying that to my friends that drug me over there, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's a lot selling in the bathroom, you know, and shit like that, and he and they're very it's always the low level guys that that feel like they got oh you know what I mean. That like oh, I'll shoot you, I don't care, you know where a boss might be like, anyway, he's just a gringo, like you know. But it's always the low and the low levels that are trying to like you know, so. So you know where you're drunk you might have his who he considers his girl.
Speaker 2:So next to you you know what, what I mean and shit like that. So it's just, it's just not the place you want to go, just stick in Hong Kong.
Speaker 1:Is it a?
Speaker 2:hangout. It's a very hot place. It's a hot place. Yes, it's a hot place. And For the street, if it was Like there's some nice places when it's not even hot, but a lot of buses, nice places where it's not even hot but a lot of buses go there but it's not hot because it's classy and it's nice and you mix with different kinds of people. But Cuéllar Peludo, bro, that's street.
Speaker 1:I've been there, bro it was fucking horrible man. I had anxiety. I'm telling you dude, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's. That's that's like going. Yeah, that's just not one of the places that you want to like party. Just, hong kong is dope as fuck, man, and it's safe, and that's what I heard yeah, that's what I heard.
Speaker 1:I'm a married christian man five minutes away from the border.
Speaker 2:You come and go and then you know no, those places are good.
Speaker 1:You know, come and go and then you know those places are good. You know, fuck, dude, I was thinking about what I was gonna ask you about um. Now let's talk about trump 2025, mass deportations and what about the um? What was it? The haitians? What about when they opened the border like this way? Were you there for that?
Speaker 2:No, no, but like the Haitians are cool, man, like you really see the difference of people from different countries and their culture. Like I remember the Hondureños you know that was a big controversy because they came out here and they were really like causing trouble and like even they were trying to rush in the border. And you know, even even in some of these shelters where they were being fed, they were talking shit about the food.
Speaker 2:no, way about mexican food stuff like that. Yeah, so you see that. But then you see the haitians like once they started migrating, all of a sudden your waiter was haitian. All of a sudden the guy cleaning the cars was like they were all working. They got like into society, like like just working you know a lot of them got married. They spoke like three, four languages, you know, so so did they marry heinous from tijuana? Yeah, getting their mexican citizenship. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:And then just stay there till they either they they got to cross or just stay in mexico, because in tijuana, because they like the life. So now you see a lot of like Haitians, but they're incorporated to society they're not. They're not as much as like immigrants or you know what I mean. And it's funny because we have some like guys from Africa that are trying to pass by as Haitians because, yeah, but, but there's a word I can't remember right now and they told me the other day. There's a word that means like something like. I can't remember right now and they told me the other day there's a word that means like something like like fag or some shit like that which they call them.
Speaker 2:And if they laugh, they're African, because that's a Haitian slang. So if they're like, if they laugh and they don't know what you're talking, they're like oh, he's African. But if they, if they're like anyway, if they amongst the hoods, where they're like, they want to see who's who you know, because, like I said, haitians, they're very like, they're really liked by the city. Are they enjoying the life? Yeah, they are. I mean, you could tell like a lot of them already have, like their family, families there and stuff like that, so you see them incorporated to society.
Speaker 2:You know, whereas other guys, like I said, like not anything towards Honduranos wave of they came to tijuana and they were sheltered there and stuff. It was just a lot of destruction and a lot of things with the police and stuff like that, you know, whereas haitians you never really even seen one get caught doing the other ones.
Speaker 1:They were not only haitians, but wasn't there another like just group?
Speaker 2:oh, venezuelans, and then ukrainians also what about the venezuelans, bro?
Speaker 1:did they? Did the cartel go around eradicating them?
Speaker 2:Nah or making them disappear. The cartel. I mean first of all, why would they do that?
Speaker 1:I don't know. Just that's the rumor over here. Nah, I mean that was a rumor bro.
Speaker 2:I don't know where you are. Were you aware of that rumor? No, not really, because it's like anybody could be in the city. But fuck around and you'll find out. Basically, you know what I mean. It doesn't matter if you're venezuelan, whatever, but like nobody's gonna be actively looking for you because once you fuck up, it's easy to get you. You know we don't need to have you like in right on site. You know, eventually if you, if you come here to do fuck up things, we're gonna know and damn dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now the women from tijuana. Is it like a goal to marry like an american and come over on a green card, or it's not really a thing?
Speaker 2:uh, a lot of them don't care they don't give a shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't give a shit, because bro tj's fucking nice dude. I mean it is.
Speaker 2:I mean like I said you, you really enjoy life out there. I mean I mean movie theaters, costco, yeah, everything you got like you know, uh, it's not. I mean it is third world country, but it doesn't seem like. Tijuana is very, like I said, maybe metropolitan. So you see nice cars around, you know, you might see like even lambo or rose royce and shit like that, and you got these nice areas with big ass mansions, you know people with a lot of money and shit like that. So so it, it's just like a city. You know this with.
Speaker 2:With this crime, you know, like you to LA, there's a bunch of gangs everywhere. You know Gang members worked in like hotels and shit like that and you wouldn't even know unless you know the politics of it. You know what I mean. Yeah, so it's kind of the same thing. I mean if you see, if you go to clubs and stuff, you see them, you him, you know, you see them. You're like, oh, that's the guys out there. You know, with the fucking 20 champagne bottles, yeah, that's them. But, uh, but if you know, if you're just on about your way, you might be good what about restaurants?
Speaker 1:when you're eating at a restaurant, somebody important comes in. They get everybody's cell phone. Is that a thing?
Speaker 2:nah, that might be like in the little pueblitos or or something like back in the day or stuff like that. Right now, especially in tj, everybody's low key, you know like, uh, you see a group of men that pull up you.
Speaker 2:You don't know either if they're like government or they're bad guys, because most of the time it'd be mixed so they go to the vip area, they go to the reserve area, they go to the places where nobody's going to be looking at them, and stuff like that. You know they're more into that. What about?
Speaker 1:tunnels and warehouses. I know there's a lot of that in Old Thai.
Speaker 2:Yeah, old Thai Mesa and all that, a lot of it, bro. Yeah, well, I don't know, man, I mean they closed one down and then they found another one and stuff like that. But I mean they have to have an exit on the US side. You know what I mean? Right, and they don't really never say anything about that. You know, they close it down in TJ and they pour concrete on it and stuff like that, but then, yeah, the news makes it oh, the TJ tunnel, but where's the exit? You know where did it end?
Speaker 1:Let me think about that you have a point? Well yeah, it's a TJ To me. You have a point?
Speaker 2:well yeah it's a tj. To me it's a tj tunnel because it's going this way, not going that way. Yeah, obviously, but I mean drugs have to end, come out somewhere you know right, it's not like it's going in libertad and putting on another colony in tijuana. I mean they're coming on to the us. So right, who owned that warehouse, or where was that? Right who took care of it? Who's gonna load up? The truck where they're gonna take to take these drugs.
Speaker 1:It kind of ends there, you know, hey, so dude. Now you have your own podcast, man El Bordo, on YouTube MX. How'd you get into that, dude?
Speaker 2:Well, I started getting.
Speaker 2:I always been like I said, creative, like I was like a draw and I always listened to a lot of music, a lot of music. I was kind of his sidekick, so I learned the ins and outs of like the industry. I would be there in the meetings and all this stuff, and eventually I always watched content on YouTube, like even from satellite radio, like comedians like Opie and Anthony show Joe Rogan and like all that stuff. So, but it wasn't big in mexico. And then eventually I like, after the covid thing, like podcasts were big in mexico and I tried to get a couple people to be like, hey, I'll let me be the producer and you'll be the host, because I was still like not wanting to be like in the spotlight, I was still kind of shy and stuff. But all those guys that I got for those they kept saying the same thing, like anyway, that that's your project, bro, like you're the guy that knows the artist, you're the guy that knows like has the trust with this guy, this guy. So so, yeah, man, eventually I just fucking manned up and and well, some things happened that I left tj, like it.
Speaker 2:Um, I had an uncle that passed away in a in a ugly way and I was just kind of sick of like everything and all the drama and all this like who did this, and like just being in the mix of that. And so I pulled away from that and just started focusing on what I want to do with this. And yeah, man, I got some equipment. At first I kind of rented it, and then I got somebody to lend me some money. I bought some cameras, and then I bought this and that, and then you have to learn the lighting. That's why I was checking out your setup.
Speaker 2:It's because I've been having trouble with my lighting and I was like, oh shit, I could just do it from yeah and then I've been learning that way and and just because I was very involved in the industry, I have some good connects like of musicians, producers and even some like comedians and stuff like that. And that's kind of where I started getting.
Speaker 2:And then again lucha parra, once he hooked me up with danny jones, then that kind of opened up the way to this and I've been to a lot of podcasts. Yeah, I enjoy it, man, I like it. I like it now. I like creating my own shit, my channel Doing good, you know relatively good.
Speaker 1:You definitely have the personality, bro. You have the personality to you know. Chop it up. I know you said you wanted to make your content in English that way it's bilingual.
Speaker 2:like I said, I know a lot of audience follows me and right, just let them know what your channel is on the ig and on the youtube, bro, where they can find you at el bordo mx, everywhere at el bordo mx and youtube, tiktok, instagram, facebook, everywhere and we'll put the link below man el bordo mx.
Speaker 1:Uh, so again, dude, thank you for coming, bro appreciate it man anytime great conversation there. You guys have it, folks. Another banger for the books. Man, if you like what you guys saw, make sure you hit that subscribe button. Love, you guys keep pushing forward unhinged line. Hector's legend engraved living life raw. Never been tamed from the hood to the pen truth entails pen hector.
Speaker 2:Bravo, one hinge story never ends, thank you.
