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Federal Prison Confessions: Inside the Bureau with Gio Martini
Gio Martini takes us deep inside the federal prison system, sharing raw stories from his time as a CO at USP Victorville and how his anonymous Instagram account ultimately cost him his career.
• Former Army infantry soldier who transitioned to corrections after being turned down by police departments
• Worked first in private ICE detention before joining the Federal Bureau of Prisons
• Explains the complex politics between different inmate groups, especially the notorious reputation of DC inmates
• Describes the importance of authentic communication with inmates rather than adopting fake personas
• Created "Good Verbal," an anonymous Instagram account sharing correctional humor that united officers nationwide
• Account grew into an unexpected mental health resource and community for corrections staff
• Federal administration, including Director Colette Peters, launched investigation and forced him out over the account
• Recently contacted by government attorneys asking him to testify for Bureau against inmate lawsuit
• Believes being true to yourself is the most important quality in corrections work
• Left the Bureau in February 2022 but maintains relationships with former colleagues
Find Gio on Instagram @Geo_the_Legend89
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Speaker 2:We are still growing. Today we have another special guest, none other than the man, the myth, the legend, gio Martini. Some of you guys may know him as a rapper, a good verbal and the seal for the BOP man federal side. So here we are, none other than Gio Martini. Some of you guys may know him as a rapper, a good verbal and as a CO for the BOP man federal side. So here we are, none other than Gio. What up, dude? How's it going? Man? I'm glad to be here, glad you came down and took the drive, bro, this is long overdue. It was a long drive but it was worth it. I think we got in contact when, two years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, through Pinta Vibes, pinta vibes, because uh the vibes, yeah, shout out to pinta vibes yeah, it was through, uh, because his clothing, and then I was doing my music to promote his brand. And then next thing, you know, like that, you're following me and I'm like, oh man, I don't even know what this guy is.
Speaker 2:This is cool well, I saw that we had a lot of similarities, bro, like army and corrections.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, I could relate yeah, honestly, because that's how I was. Uh, when I got out of the army I was trying to go go police and but at that time, like how, how the vets were for back then when they were coming back they were. They started having this phase where they weren't wanting anyone that was returning war veterans and they wanted the younger recruits. Like the younger people. Like I got turned down by a Riverside sheriffs LAPD there was a few. So then I'm like I don't know what I'm supposed to do now, because I was trained for one thing Right.
Speaker 2:Well, we think we're trained for one thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I, and I still feel like that you know. So then I was like I don't know what I'm going to do. Then a friend was like why don't you try working detention?
Speaker 2:And I worked immigration geo for a little bit for two years. Yeah, before we jump to that, where are you from, dude like on the streets victorville?
Speaker 1:victorville? Yeah, holy shit, I never met nobody from victorville man, that makes two of you guys already. Yeah, like I literally worked where I lived, you know. So victorville, is that a small town? Uh it, yeah, it is. It is it's getting bigger because it when I so, when I grew up there, like around 040, 2005 is kind of when the markets are really high and people were selling in LA and moving down to Victorville because it was cheaper, so then you get a huge influx. So what it was when I was a kid, it was super small.
Speaker 2:Now it's bigger, right, but it's never going to be like San Diego bigger, right, right right, when you joined the Geo Detention um, was that in local or did you have to?
Speaker 1:yeah, that was in atlanta atlanta, which is like across the street from victorville. Really, yeah, how did you like that job? Uh, that's what I met pinta vibes at. To be honest, I don't know. Yeah, that's where I met him. Uh, honestly, it was a good experience for me, because you're not allowed to go hands-on there unless they physically hurt you, like they have to touch you.
Speaker 2:You can't oh I think I heard about that bro, not from you, but I heard about that from somebody else that works in those. What are those considered uh private or?
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Speaker 2:Yeah, so we were like the we, we, we got paid little, but we did all isis stuff for them, pretty much kind of like subcontract, yeah, private contracting. Yeah, okay, so you can't go hands-on, um, but with your you had already served in iraq, yes, when you got there. So thank you for your service right off the top bro no, it's mutual thank you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, appreciate you um did that your military service.
Speaker 1:You felt help you inside a detention center it helped me with initiative, like taking initiative like I've always. So I'm uncomfortable, a lot like when I do this kind of stuff or I get behind a camera, but if you put me in an area, in an environment like that, I I felt like I was home, like I don't know. I explained it. It was just like a middle of uh, oh, this is danger. I kind of like this yeah, and just right away, calm in the chaos. Yes, but what I didn't know how to do yet was use my words as efficiently as I do now we'll talk about that, bro.
Speaker 2:Okay, there's no doubt you can handle yourself physically, but as you start to develop into a correctional staff member, you go from from the ICE detention center to the federal Bureau of prisons. How important was it to verbally communicate with inmates?
Speaker 1:It was huge. Like, honestly, what helped me is the. You know the way I grew up to. You know I was, uh, I played basketball. I played football and a lot of the people that I grew up around. You know, I'd have like friends from san bernardino, but they moved down here but they're from the block, yeah, you know. Or I got dudes that are from compton, but they're where I'm at now. So now I'm in like the poor neighborhoods, right, so I'm around that all the time.
Speaker 1:So the difference is, when I joined the army, I had more of a culture shock of being around all these other people when I was used to just being around blacks and Mexicans growing up, that's all that I was used to. What are you white? I'm white, white and Mexican, but okay, but uh, so, like, when I think of it that way, um, when I got to work in corrections, everything that I learned on how to use my words to like avoid, or to like to avoid a conflict instead of instead of like amping it up um, that helped me. But my background kicked in, like everything, because I'm like, okay, this feels like I'm in high school again. Like I, I feel like I know these dudes, some people that you know, I'm like, I feel like I know him, okay, not not in a way personally, but it just. It just felt like I was in high school yeah, the same type of demeanors of individuals yes, yes, and it just felt like I was the security guard there.
Speaker 1:Now, you know like, just like when I was our security guards at our school how did you get introduced to the federal prison?
Speaker 2:federal bureau of prisons?
Speaker 1:um, the crazy part is there's a base called george air force base. Where's that? It's literally across the street from, uh, from, uh, my bad, it's literally across the street from victorville, uh, from usb victorville, it's uh, now it's like a plant where they um, it's literally across the street from victorville, uh, from usb victorville, it's uh, now, it's like a plant where they, um, it's just, it's just used for private flights and it's all for like, uh, um, like, snapple works there, it's all that. But it's an abandoned base and I was born there in 89 and it shut down in 91. So I was a kid, we uh, when they started building the prison. I think they started building it in around 2003, 2004. Well, my bus would go right by that.
Speaker 2:Now that's the famous, or infamous, victorville prison.
Speaker 1:Yes, wow, yeah, and then it because there's three facilities Well, four if you count the camp but the first one was FCI-1. And then they do the FCI-2. And then the penitentiary. I might have mixed it up because a lot of that was before me, but the penitentiary was the last one that was built and that was a little bit newer.
Speaker 2:So you're seeing this as a kid. Damn bro, we have so many similarities because I was born in 84 and then they built Centinella state prison in Calipat state prisons down South. So you're seeing this and I'm assuming you probably didn't have the idea that you wanted to work there.
Speaker 1:No. And then anybody that I've ever met that says that they wanted to be a correctional officer their whole life. Either their parents were a correctional officer or I don't believe that, because no one. I never walked into prison. I'm like man, this is my dream job, you know.
Speaker 2:But being from Victorville, did you know like, hey, those neighbors right there, those guys are CEOs.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that until I worked in there. Then I started seeing people that, yeah, like I went to school with some people's kids and I remember seeing them and all of a sudden I'm like one of my close friends. I've known him since eighth grade. I had no idea what his dad did for work and the next thing, you know I'm working there and I see him and know I'm working there and I see him and I'm like holy, he works here, you know. So, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. Plus like victorville, like that was like a beacon of hope for jobs because there was nothing else.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, what type of what year was this? That was, uh, when I started. Yeah, uh, 2016, and you started at victorville?
Speaker 2:yes, holy shit. And what type of inmates I mean by like levels? If you could explain the federal level system and gangs.
Speaker 1:So it's everything to max. There's a super max. When you go to Colorado, that's where you have like El Chapo and all that Super max. Yeah, so us, we're like literally below that. These guys are like one step away at the penitentiary. They're like one bad thing away from getting shipped up there. So you have everyone you have, you have ma there you have. You have crips, you have bloods, you have, um, a lot from the east coast. Like what kind from the east coast? Uh, you, well, a lot of them.
Speaker 1:That's crazy is a lot of people will identify by state there, like really, yes, like if they're from dc or like if they're from maryland. Uh, there's certain spots they'll say I know DC is not a state, but inmates claim that and that's where they're from. Because with DC inmates, because it's not a state, everything they do is a federal crime. So, like if they get locked up, they're going to a federal prison, unless it's county time. So if they're serving time like that where it's a felony, they're going straight to federal prison. There is no state prison for them.
Speaker 2:Holy shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How the fuck did I not know that, or anybody I don't really think knew that?
Speaker 1:Anybody that works state oh a bad time for my phone to ring, Don't trip homie. No Fucking unedited raw All right, but no, it's my bad. Let me backtrack. What are we talking about? Again?
Speaker 2:We're talking about fucking DC that if you commit a crime you're going straight to the feds.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, well, so the funny thing about DC inmates too, is they don't fall under like some head or some car or whatever. If there's five DCs in one room, that each one is their own individual and they're just from the same area. They don't like have each other's back like that. It's more like we had a lot of issues with them the most. Now, if you start beating up one of them, will they have each other's back? No, they walk away. Yeah, they walk away. They walk away.
Speaker 1:Oh shit yeah they uh, and honestly, you can google dc inmates and you'll see a lot of inmates talking about how bad, how much they did not like dc inmates, like you'll hear from everyone because, uh, like you got, because they're not, we're not used to it. East coast is way different than west coast.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, in so many ways man yes music uh culture in so many ways prison especially prison politics.
Speaker 1:So new york bloods would hate california blood politics because, uh, if you're a blood here in california you're rolling with bloods. Well, with them they have a lot of sets and they have a lot of different stuff that they roll with to where they don't want to fall under the same umbrella with the California bloods, but they have to if they don't want to die but at the same time. So there's always beef between them like that. So there's a separation.
Speaker 2:So help me understand this Victorville is in California If I'm, there's a separation, so help me understand this victorville is in california. If I'm a blood from california but yet a blood from new york comes, does uh bloods from california ultimately have control of that? Yes, they do yes, why?
Speaker 1:because they're in california. It's because it's a california yard. Yes, wow, yeah, and then a majority of uh. On the mexican side we have a lot of serranos and that's we can't have. Like, if you have someone from the north come down there, they're not hitting the yard. No, nortenos are hitting our yard. They would be sent into like a segregation area when they were just used to transfer the state was like that up until 2016, 2017.
Speaker 2:And now you have fucking nortenos down south dude in state prisons. What the fuck? Oh, absolutely dude, ironwood Calipet. See, that's why it started rocking for you, no but you have to understand they're not fighting because of the peace treaty. Oh, okay, so I'm assuming there's no peace treaty in the feds.
Speaker 1:No, Well, when I was there. I mean when I left it was never like the Norteños would never hit ABs. They're different than the ABs. They're called the Aryan Brotherhoods of Texas. It's a difference, it's a different thing, and them and Aryan Brotherhood don't get along Really. Yeah, and then it could have changed, since I've been, because ever since I left, I've been out of touch, right.
Speaker 2:Now. But when you say they don't get along, is it like on site there was a war.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they could not be around each other. You got like they have a bunch of different stuff that I never really like Sons of Arian Circle, they have all these different like subsects and all these.
Speaker 2:It was hard to track. Now, who's telling you they can't be with each other? Is this something that the higher up administration segregates, or are you on your own? Or is it policy? Hey, never let these two guys cross paths.
Speaker 1:I don't believe it's a policy, what it is, it's just a comment. It's like a. It's something they do to avoid problems, like at what level though? Uh, higher than us, that that goes to region, that's like that's way up. That's what they're saying, it honestly, and that's all going from, uh, the investigative services, whatever they deem it fit. So it's, it's our control. Like we don't even know. Like when I work segregation, we don't know who the person is until they get there. Then we find out what they are and they're like okay. So when we put him in a cell, we have to make sure that he can't go with, you know, a sereno.
Speaker 2:I've heard some of your music right, and I gather that you did work segregation numerous times. What do you guys call that SHU? Yeah, the special housing unit. Special housing unit, not security housing unit. No, Now is Erie SHU in the facility of Victorville.
Speaker 1:Yes, usp Victorville, what is?
Speaker 2:it a separate part of the prison.
Speaker 1:As part. No, each one is like connected to the. It's like a, it's almost like a, it's like a triangle, like when I'm looking, I when I think of above it, you know, yeah, um, the pen, it's all in, it's all inside the same fence is it indoors or outdoor?
Speaker 1:pen, or you got like outdoor they have outdoor recreation and then in the units are obviously there. Those are inside, but it's more like a. There's a hallway that connects it all the way around, so you walk all the way around, and there's corridors that lead you to shoes. So it's not a separate building, okay, but it's. It is tucked away far on the side you know over here and over here is where the units. So you got shoe here and then you got six units this way. So if an inmate does something bad.
Speaker 2:What do they do?
Speaker 1:they get escorted by walking to the shoe yeah, if they do something bad, yeah, we'll cuff them up and then escort them and you guys do unclosed body search.
Speaker 2:Yes, maybe wand them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the procedure me the, the way it is when you first happens uh, the the shoe, uh the shoe staff will be the ones that do all the wanding and all that could you walk us through the procedure?
Speaker 2:let's say, I'm a I don't know mexican inmate and I stab another mexican inmate and I caused great bodily injury. I'm pretty sure I'm going to the shoe right. Yes, what would be the process? From the, from the floor, cops, all the way to getting them to the shoe from us.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's immediate. We lock the yard down like no matter what, just just for just whatever. If we hear stabbing um, every, every officer in the units, once they hear something getting called over the radio, they'll start locking their units down, just in case. If they're gonna have to be secondary staff to respond, and then us, the responding staff. I work compound a lot other than shoe and compound. I don't know if you guys call it that and state, but I was a yard officer pretty much all the yard, that's what you guys call compound.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's the same shit than yard cop yeah, so I was compound and we'd be the first responder and obviously we see two things and it's where it's two inmates fighting. So we're doing what it's to do uh, try to subdue them and then, once get them, we separate them and we escort them. A lot of times when it's like that, when it's a stabbing, the victim is obviously going to get taken to medical and the person that stabs he's going straight to SHU. And the reason why he goes straight to SHU is because that was admin staff of keeping an eye on us to where they. That way the inmates cuffed up and nothing happens to him on the way from where you get him to shoot so he doesn't get beat up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, and then SHU staff are ready to receive him. They're probably prepping the cell or getting a bedroll.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like when I was in there, like if you hear a fight on the yard we're like all right, we got to. You hear that coming out. You have SHU staff that respond out too.
Speaker 2:Really so. Shu staff responds what's the reason behind that?
Speaker 1:There's only two, because we have the weapons. So if you respond from SHU, you'll get the non-lethal weapons, just in case, and you're the last response or the secondary response that, hey, we can't subdue it, we need weapons.
Speaker 2:What do the weapons consist?
Speaker 1:of. You have the pepper ball, you have the L1 launcher. It's the baton, the foam baton launcher, 40 millimeter, yes. And then we had the L8s. It's like a circle, it's like a cannon. So we had that, and then the pepper balls and the batons.
Speaker 2:Are you guys instructed not to shoot them in the face with the pepper balls?
Speaker 1:Yes, anywhere that's in the chest and below, but sometimes things happen you know, oh, I hear you man, it's called lag time.
Speaker 2:They move around. Yeah, exactly, I couldn't.
Speaker 1:My zero wasn't right.
Speaker 2:Exactly, you were the wind fucking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then after that, then once we get them there, then the inmate will stay cuffed Both of them will because then they have to do an after force video and then they have to get evaluated on camera with medical. That's every incident, yes, every incident, Holy shit. Yeah, they have to, because then the nurse, obviously, if the person is like bleeding out, like it's not like a hold on, keep them like where he's getting transported. You know he's going to go out, he's going to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Now you guys are putting them on video to document injuries, but is there a form to document the injuries?
Speaker 1:documented the injuries. Yes, the lieutenants fill that out. So the lieutenants will have a main sheet and then medical will have ones where, like, uh, they tell, they say on the video, you know, uh, the inmate has an abrasion right here on right leg, and start pointing out all the stuff. And then they fill out the forms. For us all we have to do is do a memo saying that what, what you did while you were participating in the video well, that's cool.
Speaker 2:What does the shoe setup look like? Does it look like like lower tier, higher tier?
Speaker 1:yes, we had six ranges, so you have a range, b range, and then c range, d range, and then e range, f range, so they're all stacked up and it's like you're looking at it and it's like a baseball field is the only way that I can say, that's the way I can say it. The best right, you know, left field is, uh, you know, ab, and then middle is center field, is like, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2:What does the front of the cell door look like. Is it steel? Some have bars, some have plexiglass.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's a steel door. Solid steel with windows, yeah, with a little window about this big.
Speaker 2:Food port on there.
Speaker 1:Yes, the food slot. I hated that. Why? Because inmates would about like that food port on there. Yes, the the food slot that was. I hated that. Why? Uh, because inmates would hold it a lot and we couldn't do anything about it. So like, if, uh, we go to open the trap and you go to uh feed them, they stick their arm out. And I want to speak to a lieutenant and now.
Speaker 2:Did you ever hear any old folk tales that maybe back in the day they used to break their fucking arm in the food port?
Speaker 1:oh, yeah, that you, yeah, you've heard that absolutely, because I mean there's always days where people talk about you know, in the day they used to break their fucking arm in the food port. Oh, yeah, yeah, you've heard that. Absolutely, Because I mean there's always days where people talk about you know in the past where, like there's no cameras, you know, Right, Stuff happens.
Speaker 2:Oh, is there cameras in your?
Speaker 1:day and age. Yeah, yeah, when I got there, it was.
Speaker 2:There was I don't remember. I don't know when all that got instituted. So so, as a federal cop, you see an inmate stick his hand out the food port. What is your policy supposed to use?
Speaker 1:uh, you talk to him first.
Speaker 1:You talk to him, try to see what's going on and if he doesn't, if he doesn't comply, then you would walk off the range and then you tell the lieutenant what's on and then lieutenant would go down there and speak. But meanwhile, until someone comes down there, every time, like you do a round, you go with another staff member and they'll come with shield, a shield where they'll put it over the trap so they won't throw anything on you, cause I've had feces thrown on me and that, oh, you have absolutely, absolutely in my right here on my neck, and then on my uh, there was two incidents. I won't go into full detail on them, you know, but the I, literally the inmate, just had um, it was just runny shit in a fucking cup, yeah, and so the, the person before um, is the one that pissed this person, this inmate, off. Yeah, and we didn't use the shield at that on that, because we were wrong. I was supposed to do that, and when we walked by I got shit thrown on me and it was right in my fucking neck.
Speaker 2:He had his arm out the food port. Yes, so basically, the staff member before you pissed him off. He was holding the food port. You failed to take the shield. Yeah Boom, he flung some dookies.
Speaker 1:Because he was mad at the other person. So that's what he was.
Speaker 2:So do you have a body alarm on you or a radio?
Speaker 1:Yeah, radio, it's a body alarm.
Speaker 2:And what do you do? You call in? What is it? What would a code sound like that, if you're getting gas, Uh, what?
Speaker 1:that is just uh. Uh. Staff needs assistance as quick as you can say it, because when you say that, like the Calvary is coming, everybody that's able bodied medical staff will respond. You'll have psychologists that respond Damn yeah, if they have cuffs and they have spray, if they, if they haven't that they were, they're, they're responding.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize that the feds were so like on point like that, bro Cause I had zero knowledge.
Speaker 1:It's cause everyone that's not like a chaplain or certain other spots. They go through the same law enforcement Academy that we do. The idea is they kind of like model the marines. It's every, every, uh, every correctional officer. We're all correctional officers first, yeah, but that's also a way that they used to cut our posts, though, because, like, we need more actual correctional staff on the yard, right, but we can cut it back a little bit because we have a teacher back there that can do the job, but he's not on the yard.
Speaker 1:It's politics, dude yeah yeah, it's politics, absolutely the machine.
Speaker 2:Yeah so damn dude. Do you get to go home, do you get to leave immediately to go to the hospital and get seen, or how does that process?
Speaker 1:go yes, um, you get what. What it is is. You'll get like a form that you fill out and then, uh me, because I didn't, I didn't ingest anything like it was just on here, I didn't have to take the cocktail that you're supposed to. Yeah, but that was also like something of precaution, if you want to, but I didn't want to take it. And then medical evaluates you ask if you're okay and if you want to go home or not. You know, like, if you want days off or whatever, like that's just, it's just a continuation of pay. Cop. Did it piss you off? Oh, hell, yeah, it did. How mad were you? I'm mad enough that if, like, if it happened, like, honestly, I wanted to kill the motherfucker, I'm not going to lie Like that was the immediate feeling of anger.
Speaker 2:No, I agree Because thank God I would never gasp, but I feel I would be that highly upset.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wanted to kill that motherfucker. Like I still remember his face. I'll never forget. I won't say his name. I still remember the motherfucker and like so much that, um, like four years down the line, he's back in victorville again, but this time he was in our transfer unit and that that's just a unit where like a bus will drop him off for like the night and they'll ship out either a week from now or today, and he was in there and but I can't do anything again because he's behind a door. Right, right, you know some shit talking all over.
Speaker 2:So real quick inmates like that. Are they common or are they like the few and the few in between? They're not common. They're not common, no it's not like it's.
Speaker 1:Well, it depends. It depends honestly because it depends on like the waves, because sometimes you'll have, you know, February this year, all of a sudden everyone's getting shit down, you know, but a lot of it it's always, almost all the time, from the East Coast, From the East Coast, yes, from inmates that are from the East Coast. So weird dude they have whole different politics.
Speaker 2:It's not weird because in the state they're all West Coast and that's normal, bro, they macking me out of pocket like that is normal, especially in places like Donovan or the mental health prisons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, when we got an influx back in, like COVID when it stopped all the transfers, well, we had a bunch of. So we had a thing called SMU. It's a special management unit that like inmates that were deemed too much for shoe but it's like a psychological thing. They'll send them over there. But we had like 70 of them on holdover and people were getting shit down a lot. So that's what I mean when it comes in waves, like it was. We had a whole range that they thought was a cool range to make because it was called a gunner range. I don't know if you we call inmates that pull out their dicks and beat off to female staff gunners.
Speaker 2:Oh, we don't call them gunners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's a lot of that.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:And from the East Coast? Yeah, absolutely, and DC is the DC and I love talking shit about DC Like I don't care, I love it.
Speaker 2:Yes, well, it seems like they do too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I DCs anyone. So anyone from the district of Maryland. They call it DMV. So you got, you got DC, you got Maryland and you got Virginia.
Speaker 2:That whole area. Let me ask you something, man. Honest question. I know your background because it's similar to mine. You know people that are solid and people that will get down, people that are down for theirs. Yes, Do you dislike them? Because maybe they they're all bark and no bite.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, because and a lot of times it's exactly what that is and they're the loudest in shoe and they're the quietest outside oh, and, and I, and I love that, my face that I get to fucking say that and I'm on camera for that shit. Absolutely I'll fucking say I love that shit. Like I love saying that because that's exactly what it is. But you see how?
Speaker 2:I'm tracking like I totally understand it and that shit agitates Especially. You know you don't want poop flung in your fucking face.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and then honestly not to go on this. But you know, I looked up on YouTube to show a friend and it was this Mexican dude talking about DC inmates and he said I don't know what it is about DC, but they are certified booty warriors and that's because, for some reason, there is a lot of uncondoned. Obviously there's a lot of rape coming from that side.
Speaker 2:Well, let me ask you this man? I mean, I know how the Sureños get down, I know how the whites get down. How do they like functioning with DC, blacks or DC?
Speaker 1:They always want them off. There's always times. There's always DCs have been pushed off the yard before in Victorville.
Speaker 2:But then they came back again. They've been pushed off the yard, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like they got transferred because you know there was a race riot that might break out or something. They get kicked out a lot Like there's nobody unless you're from there that likes them and honestly like. If you even have inmates from the South that say they're just roll south time, they won't be around dc inmates because they used to fight. They don't like them, they don't, they don't if they're in fucking seg, they don't want to fuck with each other. You know they, they won't, they'll refuse them damn this.
Speaker 2:See, I'm learning all this new shit. Dude, I never knew how the feds got down another thing, that.
Speaker 1:But the thing that sucks about the feds too. They like to uh play inmate politics like uh, who does uh, uh, the, the sia staff, like above all that. And the reason why I say that is you get two guys that come in and you need to put them in a cell while they're asking them, who do you roll with? And then you'll have they're like no, I don't take anybody from this, and it's like you're in seg, motherfucker, like you guys are on good, and this is the only cell. You're going to take them, whether or not, and they'll sit there and sometimes they'll barter with them to try to to make, to make the situation go away. So these motherfuckers know that. They yell louder and they bitch and cry, say I need to fucking see psychology, and then they get what they want, not all the time, but oftentimes it happened a lot. Let's talk about that you're.
Speaker 2:You're a father as well. Right, absolutely. You're a military combat veteran. Yes, you worked in a prison around uh. Predators yes. Violent individuals yes. From your experience, is it beneficial to barter with inmates?
Speaker 1:absolutely not, could you?
Speaker 2:elaborate on that for that enable more bad behavior.
Speaker 1:For me, it's like people like they'll try to say the you know they're humans too, and I'm like, okay, but listen, when your kid fucks up, like if he breaks a window in the house on purpose, you're're like you know what, if I gave you a PlayStation to play right now, would it make you feel better? You know like, would it alleviate all this? What is it that I can do to make your life better? That you had to break my fucking window? You know like, what do I have to do to make you feel better? And then that's shit. We fucking did.
Speaker 2:And it's not that, it's not we like the lower staff.
Speaker 1:It's above us, you know. Oh, I fucking get it. There's a guy before me. They called him fucking captain honey buns, and that's because this motherfucker would give honey buns to inmates and shoot to shut them up, you know, to calm them down. I've. I've seen another lieutenant that it was during uh covid, obviously, and they were getting bag lunches while the. Well, there was one specific range, only one range, and it was also uh b range. This range, right, there was pretty much a lot of dcs at that time, it was pretty much the whole range. No other range did this, but they boarded up and they refused the food. Well, we had this look, this fucking lieutenant, like his hair would like float in the air when he'd walk. It looked like he was a cartoon tight ass pants. How was it doing it? It was it's because there was not much left, but he kept some there.
Speaker 2:So it just kind of sticks up here yeah, and he wore tight ass, fucking pants.
Speaker 1:Well, he went down there and eventually, after he talked to him, he called food service and told them to get them extra chips. No, so guess what happened after that? So that was like 3 pm. No, well, the next day, the next day, the range upstairs is like oh, I'm gonna throw you, guys got chips, I'm gonna. So they boarded up and they were expecting the same thing. Did they get the same fuck? No, because that motherfucker was not there. Like we had real lieutenants in the daytime, you know yeah, so yeah that.
Speaker 2:That's how it worked, man. Yeah, I get it, bro. So, with all this being, did you end up promoting or did you ever go up?
Speaker 1:the chain the way it is there. Like you start off, there's three pay scales within it. You have GS6, gs7, and then GS8. But at the time for GS8, that's just senior officer specialist. At the time it used to be competitive. Once they open it, people will put in for it and then you will get and hopefully you get selected. They open it, uh, people will put in for it and then you will get and hopefully you get selected. But now they made it so because they have such a short like a hiring that they, uh, they make that eights automatic now and lieutenant is nine and above. I got to, I would. I was one of the last ones to be on the part where you get selected for your eight and that's where I was.
Speaker 2:I was almost a maxed out eight but did you ever want to be a lieutenant? Because you were looking at all the other lame lieutenants.
Speaker 1:Well, up until my good verbal page. Yeah, I was going. I was thinking about it Like, honestly, I had a lot of wardens that were wanting me to become one.
Speaker 2:What was the motivation factor behind that? Because you felt you could do a better job than certain ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I'm not fucking scared Like and I don't mean it in like I'm fucking. I'm more vicious than anyone If someone is fucking up. If an inmate fucks up, we got you know it would fix this motherfucker, let's not, it's almost an easy concept?
Speaker 1:Yeah, to me absolutely. I don't see any other way. And me, I don't play politics Like I don't give a fuck if this warden doesn't like shit. Well, if this, if I'm running this motherfucker, you're just to tell me that I can't do something. Well, I'm going to do my job and you're just going to have to deal with it.
Speaker 2:What was your MOS in the army Infantry? You believe that you learned some of that from there.
Speaker 1:Yes, because I remember them saying if you want to be an NCO, the best way to be an NCO is if you know that you answered the question wrong, but the fact that you answered it still stand on it because you know it. You have to know what you say. You have to believe in everything you say. So in my mind that did carry over Like if I know that I think I'm right in this situation, you, you, you or anybody can't tell me a fucking thing. And if I'm, and if I'm the only one doing it, cool, I'm the only one doing it, cause I won't, I won't tell anyone, I can tell him myself, you know. So that's my mind. Like, by any means fucking necessary, not not in the aspect of what can we give. You know, like I don't give a fuck about giving, I'm saying yes or no. There's no in between with me.
Speaker 2:Fuck, yeah, dude so that's why I wanted to be a lieutenant, just so I can be in the fucking rooms with everyone else now let me clarify right, because some people might get the misinterpretation of like oh, this dude's on a power trip, or this dude wants to, but I don't, that's not what I'm gathering, right?
Speaker 1:no, because I'm honestly like the, the people I worked with, I mean, uh, like one of my good friends. After I left. He left the job too. Uh, just because it, it changed for him, because he felt that it wasn't the same anymore. Right, and it's because me, um, if I was a lieutenant, I always wanted to lead by the. I'd not, not, not in the aspect I had to control, it's more of like a. Now that I'm here, you guys can do your fucking job.
Speaker 2:That's typical leadership If you're my compound.
Speaker 1:Oh, I got you today. Hey man, just let me know, like, what, what, who, who do you want on the roster? You know, like, or uh, yeah, you guys want lunch today? Like I'd be like that motherfucker, and then, if they need me, then yeah, I'm going to be there, but I know I have men running shit, so why the fuck would I try to micromanage that?
Speaker 2:But were you also fair?
Speaker 1:with the inmates. Yes, for me it's the same.
Speaker 2:It's yes or no, like I don't if I say yes, then it's yes, if it's that are fucking wet behind the ears and have no idea where they're at. What would be an example of being fair.
Speaker 1:Being fair is just giving like what they have coming Like, obviously, if they don't have a spoon, when you're feeding them like they need a fucking spoon and if you're like, no, fuck that you're not getting a spoon, now you're trying to play fake tough, now, correct, it's like there's certain shit. But if a motherfucker slams it open, says I want a fucking spoon, all right.
Speaker 2:Oh, motherfucker, you don't talk to me like that, correct, like are you stupid? You know, right, there's like a little cut off there. You know, correct. I like that, bro. The good example man. It's almost dude, does it seem like it's easy? But some people make it difficult.
Speaker 1:it's one of the I think it's the easiest job in the world. The job is to survive like I don't. I don't know any way to say it. The job is is to fucking survive. And then, if you're around fucking killers, how do you survive around killers? Right, you make these motherfuckers fear you, regardless of the fact that, if you can beat it I know I can get my ass beat every day I knew I could die, like you know.
Speaker 2:that wasn't in my mind, though I need you to right now, elaborate, elaborate and describe what you just said about yeah, I know I'm not going to win, but I don't give a fuck, I'm willing to die. Yes, can you elaborate on that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's more like there's situations where like, honestly, you're talking to some big fucking hitters and if they're like shitting on lieutenants and you're watching the lieutenants get shit on and you're like, what the fuck is this Like? I get? I get that, you're this, I get. You're a higher up motherfucker on your side, but this is a higher up on my side. You don't talk to them like that I'm. I look at it as the way that, the way that inmates have soldiers Correct. That's the way I'm looking at it as don't fucking, don't fuck with my people and we're good.
Speaker 2:So the the aspect of that is here and I'm going to be the loudest motherfucker here and I'm going to let everyone fucking know what I did and if I, if, if, if there's problems that come with it, whatever, I still told them what I was supposed to. Now people that have never worked in a prison, such as a civilian, might think to themselves well, ceos shouldn't be like that. They should be more professional. What do you have to say to that?
Speaker 1:No well, colette Peters by the way, Colette Peters was big on that. You know like, uh, what it's. Give the inmates everything. You know they're going to be your neighbors. You know, treat them all like neighbors and it's like okay, man, I understand that 0.00001% are good, but the other 90 fucking nine, they're not. And you got fucking chomos, rapists, fucking murderers, Like I don't understand why people don't under get that. And they're all the people that all these, all the the outside they complain about us, but if these guys are walking down their street they'd be fucking terrified. Right, they a lot of. You'll see it where they cross the street or they roll up their window. But you want me to be very nice to the guy that you're scared of, but you have no idea how, how violent they really are it's like the movie a few good men um, they want to.
Speaker 1:It's much easier for them to pretend that the evil doesn't exist yes, and and honestly, that's where, like you get all these ceos that have these little stupid patches where we guard your nightmares at night, like you know, like stupid shit, like that. But in all reality, in all reality it's a truth. But I'm, I'm infantry bro, I don't fuck with that, that, that extra shit. You, you know the gear queers.
Speaker 2:I know that's not proper to say but I don't give a fuck. No, no, we can say gear queers, by all means. Yeah, fucking gear queers. Okay, with that being said, you were a CO. Were you able to identify other COs that acted tough but weren't about the?
Speaker 1:business, absolutely. And see, and that's what people don't get I felt that the easiest thing in the world. If you're scared of fighting, you got five staff with you, Like you have people to help you. You're not doing one-on-one like. Why the fuck is that so hard for people to to grasp? Why are you scared?
Speaker 1:And and it's more like a it's not an absence of fear Like it's always there, like I fucking know, like I I get the jitters, I get nervous the whole time. It's just more like when your alarm goes off, you know that you just have to get up. You can't. The longer you sit there, it's still going to keep ringing, it's still going to fucking be there. The only way to turn it off is get the fuck up and whatever happens happens Correct and that's the only way I see that. So when people hear someone like me talking like this oh, this motherfucker, he thinks he's a badass. No, no, no, I'm not saying I can fuck anyone up, I see, yeah, I'm just, I'm just so I I am not afraid to to fucking do it. I have to, I have to like there's no other choice for me.
Speaker 2:I'm good at reading people, bro. I can tell you are not reckless, bro that you are fucking calculated yes, like that's, that's all.
Speaker 1:And people see that as they see me as reckless, but they also don't really know me.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're not reckless and for the first three years of my career, though, I got into with a lot of lieutenants. A lot of people did not fucking like me. Yeah, until they started realizing, because they would see how I would talk to an inmate one time and they're like, hey, you can't be talking to like that. I'm like, uh, you don't know what fucking happened, but okay, you know, whatever, that's fine, I'll listen. Yeah, I really didn't. You know, like I just played the part. But then, like when I worked in shoe, uh, people like lieutenants would come down and they would hear about you know, they're gonna be my lieutenant for the next quarter and they're warning them like, hey, be careful about martini, he's a fucking hothead. Down there he is, he's, he's a wild child, mind you.
Speaker 1:I never got a case or was kicked out of anything like I did everything, everything I was supposed to. The difference was, is my reaction was great, right, if some guy fucking flinches at me, I don't think about it and like, did he just flinch at me? Let's fight him. No, he flinched at me, I'm tacking him right now. So, but people don't understand that. It was just. I was just ready to go all the time.
Speaker 2:With those in, were you also getting dragged into investigations? Uh?
Speaker 1:I honestly no, I never got. The only thing that I would have is uh s they would go off my memo, but no one ever pulled me as, okay, I'll say you know what. I'll try backtrack. My second week in the bureau. Um, I had I just work in there. Uh, me and my friend were working the same courtyard.
Speaker 1:Well, this other inmate, my first time being there, this other inmate got into another staff and I responded and I fucking did what I was supposed to. Yeah, not not thinking about anything else. I'm like, oh, should I get to fight? Finally, and I'm there, right, well, the inmate, like they always do, say some stupid shit about oh, he put a finger in my butt, he did all this and all the gay shit. And then I get pulled into an office and it's uh, lieutenant um said hey, man, so the inmate?
Speaker 1:The inmate said that you, uh, he has a really deep voice. The inmate said that there was a camera and showing that an officer was hitting him in the face. Do you know who that was? And I was like, if there's a camera, why are you asking me, right? And I said, my, this is my second week that. So he's going to hear the story and he's going to remember this shit. And he just kind of smiles and he goes well, no, I need to hear from you. And I was like, well, I'm not paying attention what other people are doing. I was trying to get his hands, you know, tied up. That's all I care about. So you didn't notice that. No, I didn't see anything right. So that's the only time that I ever got questioned like that over something. Really, yeah, that was some pussy shit, dude in the state.
Speaker 2:You get that constantly, constant, bro. It's relentless how they're on you the.
Speaker 1:The way they do it, though, is you may have caught a case and you don't know about it. You'll get. You'll find out 60 years from now, like people are like hey man, do you remember this inmate in 2017? What the fuck? Like? There was 200 in there. How would I remember that?
Speaker 2:now? Would you rather go to work and not have to use force and have it be a quiet day and go home, or would you rather go into work and get into some?
Speaker 1:quiet, obviously quiet day. I mean, honestly, they're all my boys. This is the way I see it. It's a football team, shit. Like the people I'm working with, we're the fucking starting, we're the. We're the starting team. You know, we're the offense. The way I see it is, there's nothing better than this. We're just chilling, talking shit. Fuck, yeah. So then, even when I'm walking around, even with inmates inmates know me. They know that I talk shit to everybody. In my life there isn't a person I call. I talk to my kids like I do my homies. You know like hey, motherfucker, like what? Like hey, little fucker, come here. You know it's just my personality, so for me it was very fun. You know like the motherfuckers are. You know you see an inmate that has big body but has no legs. You know it's like hey, man, like when are you gonna start doing fucking squats?
Speaker 2:you got nothing but time yeah, you know and I, I talk shit all the time no, some people have that style, dude, some people have that style.
Speaker 1:That was your style absolutely, and a lot of some people would try to. Some people would be like hey, man, like I don't, uh, how do you get away with that? I'm like it's not getting away with it. I'm not pretending, I'm not doing anything, I'm just being myself correct. If you're quiet, you you're a quiet person. You can't make yourself be something you're not.
Speaker 2:What advice do you have to brand spanking new staff members? Because I had to learn this lesson myself, man. I had to learn to adopt my style. You can pick and choose, you can learn from OGs, but ultimately you can't pretend to be somebody else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's the truth. And then, honest, that's a good, because there's always the drug hounds. You know the guys that can find the drugs, they can find the knives and everything. But then you got the people that are good with their mouth, the way they talk, they can deescalate situations. And then you got just fucking brute motherfuckers that are just, hey, man, like I'm here, like let me know where I got to go, you know, like I'm here to fight and it's not like they're there to protect us. And in my mind too, the way I see it is, I want to get hurt. Before you do so, I'm going to try to get there first, not saying I want to get hurt, but I don't want you to, so it. There is just a lot of different the way I say it is. Whatever you are, be that I'm not saying if you're a pussy, be a pussy all the time, but what I'm saying is like, if you as a person, are kind of quiet and reserved, don Don't try to overspeak and don't try to over talk about stuff you don't know, just so you can be in a conversation.
Speaker 1:You see people there that were never around gangs in their life. Next thing you know they're hearing all these cool nicknames about inmates. And then they're talking about them now on their nicknames and they feel cool about it, like hey, well, this guy said this and all the little joker said this and it's like motherfucker, aren't you from kansas? But the inmates can see right through that. Oh, they do all the time. I mean, I mean honestly, that's what their job.
Speaker 1:If I was sitting somewhere for 24 hours and I had no choice, or I'm locked up in a place, who the fuck else do I have to study, correct? Who the fuck else I don't? I I'm not gonna sit there and stare at an inmate because then eventually we're gonna you know, we're gonna fight right. I can just look at staff all day. I could see how they talk to other staff. That's where it matters, that's where inmates really see it. How do you talk to staff? Like how are you around them? Are you quiet? You, you're a loud shit talking motherfucker to us. But how are you with staff if staff's always messing with you or like fucking with you or you're like quiet around them? Inmates are like okay, so this guy's just pretending. That's just one story, you know, it's just correct. I'm like the way I am right now I'm like this everywhere, like if I get into with someone at walmart I'm yelling. You know I can't help it yeah, do you.
Speaker 2:Uh, how did you get into good verbal? Where did that?
Speaker 1:idea come from. So, because I talk so much shit, I was like you know what, what if I started making fun of shit that I already do and just put it out there and see, and see what happens?
Speaker 2:but incognito though, yes, was that your plan?
Speaker 1:uh, yes and no, because, because, at the same time, I don't like how everyone lives, with this fear of like, uh, you can't say shit, and it's more like a listen. The only time that my mouth was like handicapped or like I was a bitch, I always say this no one will ever treat me like a private. Ever again I've been a private. When you're a private, that's the lowest form you can be, because you have no choice. You got to listen, like fucking. If you don't, you're going to get fucked up. You know you got no choice. And then you get specialists.
Speaker 1:Once you start getting up there, then you're like, oh, you've got some little perks now, yeah, and you can't say shit. When you're in there, you can't talk about you're the president, you can't talk about who you don't like. No, politics, like you're kind of handicapped on that. It's kind of the same with the federal government, but it's less because we're still civilians. No-transcript, right, or you're, you're a transfer from, uh, say, you're a transfer from the east coast and you worked at big sandy and I tell you about the page. You look it up, you think, if you even think it's funny, right, you might tell your homies back in big sandy that look it up at. Big sandy will tell freaking uh, usp, florence, you know like hey, I had a homie that were hey, did you look up? So it starts spreading like that. So that's the way I did that is that what happened?
Speaker 2:yeah so you created the page good verbal with on instagram, yes, and then you would go to work and be like hey guys, did you guys check out this new page?
Speaker 1:yeah, all right, or I'd post it on my story, you know, on my on my regular uh music page story. Just acting like I followed the page, how big was the growth?
Speaker 2:uh like, uh, when people, when did they reach a time where it?
Speaker 1:started catching fire like yeah, like there was, like I got like my messages would annoy me, like like it was, it was non-stop, and see what? The reason why it grew is on on the front Fridays. I had like discussion Friday and and to this day, so everyone fucking knows when I went through my case, they actually asked me if I would release names of anybody that fucking commented on there and I said no, and anyone that wants to prove that, I'll pull my fucking paperwork out and we'll do another one and I'll show each fucking thing. I'm the only person that went down for this, the only one I said it right now, just me. I had to clarify that. So they asked me if, uh, the Instagram names of people that commented some shit, um, if I could, uh, you know, tell on that, like identify him.
Speaker 2:Yes, fuck that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all it is is there was some funny shit, like there was one I'll always remember. They call this, uh, I, I forget what prison it was, but they call them foreskin. And the reason why they call them foreskin is when he stripped out the inmate. Um, he's our pattern, him down. You know the whole he, uh, he. When you're supposed to tell like, you tell the sleeve, you know like they peel it back to make sure there's nothing in there. Well, apparently he's the one that peeled it back. No, yeah, swear to God.
Speaker 1:And then, honestly, when I, when I, when someone put that and I posted it, I had so many comments about everybody knowing exactly who the fuck that was. So it got funny. It started becoming like now it's the compound office on Fridays, now it's the shoe office on Fridays, now we just fucking joking, we're talking shit and I'm just, but by what I fucked up was, it would be like well, just, this isn't a real name. But they were like well, mrs Peters, uh, does this and this? And I'd post, I'd put that on there. So then they think I'm calling out real staff, like people that I know, but I don't know them. So me, I don't think it's really. I don't think that I'm doing any harm to anybody. In my mind, obviously it kind of fucks with people because I don't take anything on social media personal, yeah you know like, but a lot of people do so I guess there were complaints, but all that but were they formal?
Speaker 1:formal complaints uh, it was more, yeah, it was more that they were bitching to wherever they were at, like they're complaining about it, then the wardens are talking about it. Next thing, you know, they're having conferences and meetings and then, yeah, everyone you know, you know like it's the whole table is all of a sudden starting to hear you know, and then it gets to dc. It got to dc, yeah, yeah, it got to colette peters. She's literally colette. I've tried to add you on linkedin I don't know why you're not following me back. Like I think we have a connection. You know the same guy that fired you. Like I kind of we have a little connection there.
Speaker 2:I agree, man was there one post specifically that caught dc's attention, or was it the whole?
Speaker 1:uh, the one that, the one that she mentioned, I guess, in the investigation the most was so, uh, fci dublin, that was the one where everyone hears about warden got locked up for sleeping with female inmates and all this shit. There's like 20 staff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw that recently yeah.
Speaker 1:So if you know that show orange is new black, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like a scene where, like, a lieutenant is, uh, he proposes to an inmate, you know, and he like married, and then they're gonna get married. So I put on there and I'm talking shit about staff and they don't understand this. They, they flipped it a different way. What I'm talking about as I put on there, why have tinder outside when you can have a tinder? You know, jail tinder, something like that. You know, just swipe left, you get a new inmate. You know, like shit like that. It's funny as fuck, you know. And then, especially that video and it says fci dublin on top of it, like I'm talking shit about it.
Speaker 1:And then they flipped it as he's making fun of the, the inmates that were sexually assaulted. I'm like no, I'm making fun of the motherfuckers that make a lot of money and for some reason they would waste their life on them when they could just go get a fucking hooker, correct, you know, like that you could go get a. No guy in this world should ever say man, I just can't get pussy. Well, you know what? There's literally every avenue that you can possibly find to buy the shit. So why the fuck would you do it inside? So to me that's because they're soft and I'm making fun of, I'm making fun of staff that have done that what about female officers that sleep with male inmates?
Speaker 1:same thing. I'm uh, I did, uh, I made a few of those I made and those ones, yeah, I, everything about like that kind of stuff I didn't all right. Then I also made fun of a lot of like the, the, the, the badge bunnies, like everyone was well, and I'll say this and I don't give a fuck what it gets when a girl says she's a zero outside the minute she walks in this fucking prison, she's a six to staff, you know, and she's a 10 to inmates, right, so she has a pick of everything. But you also get the ones that are, they're good looking and they know that and what they do is they like hanging around the people they think they're going to get them the easiest time in life, you know, like being around compounds and I have to be in the units, or I'm going to be in the lieutenant's office all the time and flirt with him a little bit and get my days off, and I've made fun of those.
Speaker 2:So ultimately these angels, charlie's angels? Yeah, so ultimately, were you ever pulled in for questioning?
Speaker 1:No, yes, okay, all right. So this is where it gets crazy and I'm not ever going to mention this person's name and I'll let everyone decide what they think from this. So I got a private call. I've been running the page for like four months and our private call on the radio is when it beeps and it's only you that's talking to one other person, you that's talking to one other person, and this officer said, uh, the big homie said take the page down. And I'm like, and I look at it and I just press the button like what the fuck? For one, I have no big homies like. I think I don't, I don't, I don't give a fuck what you think about.
Speaker 1:You know this person up here, you really respect him, and he's talking about an sia staff, uh, investigative services, and I don't give a fuck who anyone is like that I don don't have, I don't worship people. So when he said that I'm like whatever, well, fast forward. Well, internal affairs, they're actually came from DC and they try asking me at first I'm denying everything I did. I guess they know it wasn't me. No, it wasn't me. They step out and they have me come back in and then he says did you or did you not receive a private call from staff at such and such time? That said, the big homie said take the page down verbatim. And he said, before you answer, there was SIA staff present for that Other SIA staff for that internal affairs. So what the fuck would anyone think at my shoes in that situation? I was set up.
Speaker 2:That's so unprofessional. That's so unprofessional of them to do that. I mean, did they think they had something to stand on by saying, hey, the. Did they think they were giving you an out by saying the big homie said to take on your page?
Speaker 1:that's what there's, that's what that's what my friend, that's what my old friend, that's what he said is what it is that they set him up and he had no idea what it was. But I do know that that was like I felt like it was a way to get confirmation and and honestly, this is the way I see it. Like if, if I knew some person was doing that and they just come to me and say hey, call them on the radio and say, take it down, the fuck. I don't even know what you're talking about, why would I call someone I don't even know who runs that page like why? Why would I? Why would I put myself? When I have a friend, if it's my friend, why would I put myself in a spot to set my own friend up? You know, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So ultimately what was the outcome of that interview? After that that they asked if I, if it was me, and I'm like, yes, it was me. I admitted to all the shit, no-transcript. And he was like no, like the director, like Colette Peters.
Speaker 2:How much of the stuff you were posting was 100% accurate, and facts and facts.
Speaker 1:All of them, all of them Like. And then there's a person that I won't ever say his name either or mentioned the page either, because, like he tried to like feed off of what I was. Yeah, and because this, this motherfucker, like he wears he wears a costume. We'll say that he wore a costume and he was talking about shit that happened inside prison on incidents that he wasn't even in there for, like, like he wasn't even working there yet, like he neither was I Right, and he's talking about some OG shit that he has nothing to do with and he's starting to talk about incidents that were stuff that were still under investigation, you know. So what I did is I just made a spoof of what he was and I just fucked his whole video up and just made fun of him on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not him as a person, right, never said his fucking name. Yeah, said his fucking name, yeah. Next thing, you know, you know he's trying to. He's he's calling news outlets, you know, racist, misogynistic page. They one page. One thing that I got, it were this inmate was like he was, uh, he was fighting back, it was a black dude, he was starting to shit, and I was like, when an inmate gets checked or some shit like that. Well, they put that out and said he's talking about black inmates like racist shit like that. And then another one have you noticed a trend with?
Speaker 2:all these woke fucking. Yes, have you noticed a trend? How?
Speaker 1:they'll mix shit up, and that's what I'm, and that's that's what's crazy is. I posted one where there's like this scene where it's this big black dude and justin bieber sitting next to him, and I put when a dc meets a chomo, and so they thought that I was calling the black dude chomo and I don't give a fuck what anyone says, and I hate to say it because it's I'm white.
Speaker 1:Majority of the chomos that I've met are all fucking white for the most part yeah, old men it's white people, and and so the chomo is justin bieber, and plus the dc would be the black and dc the booty warrior, you know. So you put two and two together, yeah you put them in a. It's a joke. If they're sellies, what's going to happen with that? You know? Yeah, yeah, so then. But they turned that saying that I was talking shit about black inmates, and then I'm misogynistic.
Speaker 2:So basically they didn't like your fucking page and they just ran with a narrative like hey, this fool's fucking racist and misogynistic.
Speaker 1:Yes, the, the, the I'm bullied tribe. They all got together and like hey, we don't like that. He's calling stuff that really what it is. I mean in front of fat people like it's a fat officer, is a fat officer, like I don't give a fuck what it is, you're fat as fuck. You don't need to be in it.
Speaker 2:So were you penalized, were did they drop the hammer on you, uh, so what?
Speaker 1:it got down to the end where they proposed my termination. Um, that came down from the director. Um, so there's two, there's two sessions to it. The first one they're like hey, um, because it gets down to the warden and after the after region or after director says what they recommend, um, and then it goes down to the warden or whatever complex. It's their final decision. So this little lap dog, a little warden, little lap dog, bitch, um, he fucking, uh, he was one of those guys and it's like, well, mom said do this, or dad said do this, so I'm gonna do it. Right, you know, I'm sorry, I don't mean to do this, but I'm gonna have to propose this spineless.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I could have went back for a second time and got the final, but I didn't want to go through fucking six years of fighting the federal government over a goddamn instagram page. You know what I'm saying. Did they ever tell you you to take it down? That was the big homies that said take it down. That's what the warning was, that's what they say. And then, when I didn't take it down, then I got cornered by SIA telling me I need to take it down. So they tried. But at the same time, the way I saw it, though, if they told me to take it down, I was already three months in. If they're saying that, I already know that there's nothing stopping it. I already know that it's all the way I can take it down. Now I'm still getting in trouble, correct? So if I'm still getting in trouble, kamikaze mission, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I already knew. Do you see a direct correlation between them trying to silence you people?
Speaker 1:Yes, honestly, and the reason being is it got more to what than people think because I started posting mental health stuff and you know I had. I had people writing me saying, hey, uh, I've been going through a lot, I've went through a divorce, uh, this has given me something to laugh about. I appreciate what you do and this motherfuckers from you know. I started getting added to union pages like other other facilities. Unions liked what I did and they would I would fucking go into theirs and I'd comment you know, a fucking some union in Thompson or whatever. Just say to that prison they're having like a ball on Friday and I just comment on there like, am I invited? You know, just joking shit and everyone knows what I, what I, what my page is. So everyone's laughing, commenting back and then I get on. Facebook was my favorite because Facebook is like, is like, the we're old heads still don't want to go into Instagram.
Speaker 1:So, they still have it, you know. And all of a sudden I'm starting to post on there more. And then I log on there and there's 300 comments on the same thing and I'm like all these fools are going. They love this shit. They're going in the comments. So now I'm looking at it and I'm like man that the first, a lot of them are like damn, this happens there. I thought I was the only prison. Damn, this happens in coleman. I thought that was just here.
Speaker 1:So when you throw that all out there, it's more like uh, everyone's relating. Now, correct, everyone knows I was posting petitions for them. It's a community, yes, and then, so I felt that, because it was getting bigger and be, it's almost like. It's almost like us when we're talking shit about who the president is and everyone's bitching about it, yeah, how can they shut us up? What's a way to silence everyone? So we shut the fuck up. So for me I felt like we were, everyone was relating for too much and I don't think that the higher-ups want that. And I said that in my song. They want freedom, they don't want freedom of speech. They say you have it, but that you can't have it. You know, I it's, it's.
Speaker 2:That's what I elaborate on it's, uh, it's like the german gestapo, bro. Uh, it's like the fucking, uh like the nazis. And you're right, when they start seeing the, when they start seeing people come together, that scares them yes, especially when you're exposing the truth.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then and that's, and that's exactly what it became. And then, just just knowing that people and and honestly one of my favorite ones too someone called this girl like a hoe and it's because she left an officer that she was dating to be with a lieutenant that was married and got pregnant by that lieutenant Beautiful and then that lieutenant he actually took it. They offered him a demotion or to transfer to somewhere else. For that, yeah, oh and CDCR.
Speaker 1:They'll promote you twice, bro. Yeah, well, they would have just transferred him. Yeah, but he wanted to stay with her, so they demoted him. So everyone's talking shit about her being a hoe and all this shit. And then she saw it and she was like, hey, thank you for making me famous, post this. And she was like, hey, thank you for making me famous, post this. And it's a picture of, like, her pregnant stomach. And she was like what girl's pussy is this good that they can make a lieutenant leave their wife for you know, like that's some gangster shit and I don't give a fuck about that. You know, everyone wants to call her a hoe.
Speaker 1:Well, they always say all ceos are hoes guys and girls if I log into instagram, you know, like, if I log back into it, so like, so, like shit, like that, like it was, I'm like damn, now it's like they're becoming my show, like they're becoming like uh, now I'm posting and I don't have to just comment back and forth anymore to get the you know the algorithms up. Now I just get to watch it. You know, I post something that people relate to and now I'm now it's making me laugh. I'm not doing the. I'm not making everyone laugh anymore like it was, it's now. It's just. I couldn't wait for discussion fridays.
Speaker 2:It took a like. A took a like on a mind of its own. Yes, it really did it evolved.
Speaker 1:It felt like it was like. It felt like I was doing a podcast without one right, so, basically.
Speaker 2:So, ultimately you ended up resigning. Yes, you left the. What? How long ago did you leave the? February last year, okay, so that's recent, yes. And then we had a phone call the other day and you're like hey man, the feds called me, they want me to fuck. And what did they say they wanted you to do?
Speaker 1:oh, yeah so there's a lawsuit that that an inmate has, that it was. I got proven innocent, like they. They, the government denied it, whatever, not guilty. Well, now he's suing the bureau for the same thing, and so the bureau has the us attorney call me and ask if I would like to represent the bureau against the inmate you know like, and if I agree they'll even pay for my stay in my flight or whatever the fuck and and and so and I want to make this clear, the us attorney was cool. She has no idea.
Speaker 2:She's not part of any of this correct, but it's just part of any of this, but it's just the irony of the totality of the circumstances.
Speaker 1:So I tell her. I was like have they told you anything about me at all? And she's like no. And so I told her everything. I told her about good, verbal Colette, what she did, like how they forced me out. Then I'm like, at the very end of it, glorious details. Do you think if you were in my spot you would go, you would, you would testify for them. And she goes, you know, I don't really want to answer that, but I'm sorry, what you went through, like I'm sorry, you know. And then that's that's what. I was like thank you. And she was like well, I'll email you just in case, like if you want to. And I'm like get the fuck out of here the fuck.
Speaker 2:So what happened to your old boss, the director, though?
Speaker 1:uh, the day trump got uh put in the office, he uh fired her.
Speaker 2:He fired her. Yes, how did that go down like hey, you're done, your shit can yeah, he doesn't, and that's.
Speaker 1:That's the crazy part about how like I'm like the, the connection that I it's not that I know trump and I'm not that I'll ever get that, but it's kind of fucking cool the person that hates me get fires by a person that's way up there that hates her, you know. And then it's full circle, because it's all the same time as what happened to me just a year later everything comes full circle.
Speaker 1:Yes, everything comes full circle and then I even saw I even posted on my, on my instagram where it says, uh, she doesn't know what happened. It was like the things were, locks were changed and all this and like crying about it. Yeah, and you know, like boo fucking who you've been fucking firing staff forever like all that's all you. She did did an Oregon department of corrections where she was before she was the head of, she was director there. I had their union there at the time that, when I was running the page, then they they wrote me and said, hey, this is how, this is what Colette Peters ran the prison like and this is what she's going to do to you guys.
Speaker 1:So she believes in that that stupid shit across the. It was at the swiss or whatever, norway, yeah, where you know that she, that's her model. And it's like you know what, if you, if you look at those inmates over there, take them over to a california yard and see to see how they interact here, right, because they're gonna, they'll get killed, right, so you can't treat these people the same way you do them. You know it's the way that works there. It's a whole different culture and it's also not as violent as it is here. So she wanted to institute, she wanted to get rid of segregation, because segregation's dehumanizing. And I know they're starting to do that shit in the state and so to me it's like so the guy sold staff. What do we do? Hey, don't do that shit again, man.
Speaker 2:Go back out there, you're good, right, you know. Don't put them in shoe, though, because that's that's dehumanizing, correct?
Speaker 1:So are you still rapping, making music right now? I'm actually writing something now you are. It's been a while, but it's it's more like a. I felt like I've been. I've been going through a lot since all this shit. You know, like the, the, since I left like it wasn't obviously I wasn't, I didn't leave on good terms. It's like I left a retirement package with me. You know, I didn't take that with me, I was just, it's just nothing, you know.
Speaker 2:And then are you able to collect retirement for the time you put in?
Speaker 1:uh, no well, government service. So I have 14, so I need six more years, uh, anywhere in the feds so I can do it. You know, um could between the army and that. The the thing about about it is, yes, I have my VA, I have my disability stuff, but I still had child support and all the money to pay. So it wasn't like I could just leave happily and just just go live. You know, I still had to pay for that and then. So there was a time where I didn't know if I would be able to make it. I didn't like, I fucking struggled, like able to make it. I didn't like I fucking struggled, like.
Speaker 1:And then everyone, you know a lot of people will say that I put it on myself at the same time, like I know no matter what for what I was doing at the time. I know it was making a difference. I don't give a fuck, definitely. And because I know that I was making a difference, even the way I left, I could have just burned bridges a whole bunch. I could have done a lot of shit when I left.
Speaker 1:The last thing I wish I recorded it. The last thing I said when I on a radio there is. I got on the radio and I called the usb compound and I'm like martini to compound and I had already been like pulled off, like I was like working at the admin building because they don't want me around inmates no more, because I'm making fun of staff, but somehow that correlates. But um, and no one answered because they're like what the fuck? Because I, I fuck around a lot. They're like what the hell is that really him? And I say it again. And someone says go ahead. And I say hey, uh, love you guys, stay safe. And I had like a good three minutes where I had people responding back to me and I just want everyone that did I fucking that. That shit meant a lot to me hell yeah so like that.
Speaker 1:That meant a lot to me. So victorville itself. The only people that will have anything bad to say about me are haters like and I don't like saying that word hate. Everyone says that shit correct people that just could not be me. I don't give a fuck what that is, and and it's not like I'm caught, it's not like I'm arrogant, it's I can get along with everybody. The problem is people don't like how I am right if, if you're not a strong-willed person, you don't like strong-willed people, so it's very easy for us not to get along.
Speaker 1:What's that word? Um, intimidated, yes, because because you're not like that, you think that it's oh, he's, he's too much like this and I'm like no, I'm just, I'm confident. But I can be friends and treat anybody like this, and the whole thing about me is I just needed. All I cared about was my respect. Honestly, I didn't care about shit else if people knew that I had their back. That mattered is I just needed. All I cared about was my respect. Honestly, I didn't care about shit else. If people knew that I had their back, that mattered to me. If people knew that I wasn't a fucking rat, that matters to me. Like I'm not no fucking rat and I verify that, you know. So, like all that shit, that's all I cared about when I left.
Speaker 1:But that didn't do shit for me on bills.
Speaker 2:Ultimately, you've gained my respect, dude, and but that didn't do shit for me on bills. Ultimately, you've gained my respect, dude. And yeah, I'm huge on last names. We got to carry on our last names right and leave our legacy, so where can people find you, man, on social media?
Speaker 1:Geo the Legend 89. I just got an Instagram again. You know, I actually erased shit for a long time. I just took like six months off. I mean you got to make a comeback, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to make a comeback. I was telling you earlier, you got the personality dude.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking about it. You know this is new for me. This is the first time ever doing shit like this.
Speaker 2:We'll link up, dude. Yeah, fucking, bounce ideas back and forth, I love that shit. Yeah, dude, I want to thank you for pleasure. Chopping it up with you, dude. No, I'm actually happy and I'm relieved. To be honest, that's what's up, bro. So there you guys have it, folks. Another banger. You guys wanted to hear from somebody from the federal side of corrections, none other than the man, the myth, the legend, geo martini. Love you guys, keep pushing forward, thank you Unhinged line.
Speaker 1:Hector's legend engraved Living life raw never been tamed. From the hood to the pen. Truth entails pen. Hector Bravo, unhinged story never ends you, thank you.
