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Navigating Corrections: Stories from a Three-State Corrections Officer
Josiah shares his decade of experience working in three different prison systems: Texas, Colorado, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons, providing crucial insights for new correctional officers and surprising revelations about the realities of prison work.
• Navigating the complex dynamics between staff members is often more challenging than handling inmates
• Only experienced three uses of force in a decade-long career by maintaining composure and clear boundaries
• Subtle inmate manipulation typically begins with friendship rather than intimidation
• Significant differences exist between state approaches—Texas emphasizes security while Colorado focuses on rehabilitation
• Officers from difficult backgrounds often adapt better to corrections work than those with privileged upbringings
• Maintaining a life outside of prison is essential for mental health and career longevity
• Inmates remember how they're treated and will eventually reenter society
Keep a professional distance but treat inmates humanely—they'll remember everything when they're released, whether that's tomorrow or 25 years from now.
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Speaker 1:We are still growing. Today, another banger. We have a correctional officer man who has a lot of experience and wants to, uh, educate the masses when it comes to that, and it's none other than Josiah. What's up, josiah hey?
Speaker 2:what's up, Hector?
Speaker 1:Hope I didn't butcher your name.
Speaker 2:man You're good pal. Man I go. We work in corrections, man I go.
Speaker 1:there's worse stuff you could be doing, true true, so how many different states did you work corrections in.
Speaker 2:I worked in three different prison systems. I worked in the state of Texas. That was my very, very first one. My second one was the state of Colorado and then my third system is the federal borough of prisons. I've worked at three state facilities. For the state of Colorado, I worked at two prisons and for the Texas Department of Corrections Dude, that's a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a lot. So what made you want to go into corrections In all?
Speaker 2:honesty. This is about when I first started, like corrections after, when I got out of the Navy. After you get out of the Navy, it's very, very hard, hard when you transition. Now I want to make everything clear. I was never in Iraq. I was never in Afghanistan. I was in from 2006 to 2010. I was stationed over there in Yokosuka, japan, and I had a blast for my four years. I was seaside, I got to go to bars, I got to be with women. Nice, I'm not going to go sit here and lie about my military service.
Speaker 1:Don't you worry about that man. Actually, right before you I'm glad you said that, because right before you I was talking to a combat veteran and we're like man, I'm kind of jealous of somebody that didn't serve in combat because you don't want that. You know, didn't serve in combat because you don't want that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:and ultimately we tell that to people like fuck that man oh, and then yeah, and with that, and then like also too, with the navy, it brought me experience with corrections and then, like the good thing is was by I know a lot, a lot of people shit on mental health, like being my age and everything, but in all honesty, it helped me out a lot for my brother when he was over there in iraq. When he was over there in iraq and like dealing like with his ptsd I don't mean like tearing up, but we can share that. So you'll be like helping out vets like on a later on a later thing what branch was your brother in?
Speaker 2:oh, he was in the army. He was in the army. Yeah, he was uh like like. I don't know that much about his service. All I remember was he was in solder city and he was with the 82nd airborne airborne now, he never told me about it, but the effects of of like when, uh, when they come home of your family members, man, it's rough.
Speaker 1:Was he your older brother or younger brother?
Speaker 2:Oh, he was younger, your younger brother. So like the worst part was like dealing with him was his drinking. Like, oh man, I hated it. So he got like so bad like I literally had to tell him hey, you know what, man, I'm not going to be funding your alcohol habit Like I'll fund like other stuff. Man, I'm not going to be funding your alcohol habit Like all fun like other stuff, like for you to go do this or go do that. But that was hard.
Speaker 2:The hardest thing with my brother, with his PTSD, was this about how you always got to love him was he was super, super drunk. It was the year 2012, 2012,. And he was just blitzed out of his mind, out of his mind. So I went over there to his place place and he pulled a gun out on me and I've had guns pulled out of me before, but that's just because of my family. They were, they were always really, really big into guns, guns. And then my brother told me stop or I'll shoot you, identify yourself. And then I'm like my brother told me stop or I'll shoot you, Identify yourself. So that was hard. I was like, hey, hey, I'm a seaman bonner with the USS Kitty Hawk. Here's my ID card, oh, okay, okay, then like dealing with that that was hard.
Speaker 1:Did your brother change as a person before and after?
Speaker 2:Oh, he changed 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1:How did you view him before Easygoing Calmer? What were the changes.
Speaker 2:Some of the changes was about like it pisses me off of our federal government Because here was somebody good, don't get me wrong. Wrong, he wasn't no boy scout, but typical high schooler. He liked to party, he had a girlfriend. I go, I go, I I pain in the ass. You know, like typical teenager shit, right, uh, typical teenager stuff.
Speaker 2:And uh, seeing him going for that and seeing him being so changed in the way for our government trying to go through the va, oh my gosh, that's a pain in the asses itself, like like no, no, he's legitimately freaking disabled, but it was more of a pain in the ass to try to prove the fact, to get his disability right. Right, and that was a golly man, that was a pain in the ass, but it was such a pain in the neck and so just dealing with that, helping him, helping him and then, just like a couple years ago I'm not trying to get political, it doesn't matter who the president was going to be at that time, but just seeing the pullout in Afghanistan, it really, really, really makes you question your own federal government like you don't I don't question it, bro, I just don't flat out trust it at all yeah, yeah, so I don't trust it at all.
Speaker 1:There's no more questioning. Yeah, I've made up my mind, dude. Yeah, yeah, so like to me.
Speaker 2:To me it was just a slap in the face. So now, I'm all like yeah, so. So now, when I tell anybody they should join the military, I just tell them do you mind being the federal government's puppet? I?
Speaker 1:mean, it's a job that has to be done, right, but I think we're trying to enlighten people as to what they're getting themselves into.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you have to know what you're really really doing, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:So did you find yourself as like, a caregiver for your brother? Did you find yourself as like a caregiver for your brother? Did you find yourself having to take care of him?
Speaker 2:No, not really, because my mom told me that was her job. Okay, that was her job and that my job is just to make money and just give her money whenever she needs it.
Speaker 1:Were those discussions you had with your mother about your brother.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, completely, completely. It was a lot of discussions with her. It was very, very, very deep and then also, too, was about you got to look at it from my mother's point of view was about she had three sons. Like I joined the Navy in 06. My brother joined in 07. And then my other brother joined in 08, in 08, in 07, and then my other brother joined in 08 and 08 and 08. So we were all right there during the middle of the height of the iraq, afghanistan war, saving private ryan man yeah, so the sons?
Speaker 2:yeah, so that's what it was. And then, like to me, like growing up up was about, it really was never my goal to be in the military and the only reason why I I did it was because on my dad's side was every single male has always fought in the war, ever since the Revolutionary War. So like I'm part of the Sons of the American Revolution, my mom's part of the Daughters of the American Revolution, so every single member of the Bonner family was I'm half white and I'm half Mexican. So like my mom is Mexican. So everybody on the Aguilar side, on the Aguilar side they fought on every single war.
Speaker 2:And then a really great influence was my great grandfather, armando Ballesteros. Steros was because he earned a silver star over there in North Africa or in Italy during World War II yeah, world War II. So like to me, I thought everybody served in the military, like my uncles did it, my dad did it, my grandfather did it. Not all of them served, but I go, they all served during the wartime. They may not have been directly in combat, right, but to me I thought everybody served in combat, right, but to me I thought everybody served. So like to me it was more of all, like what?
Speaker 1:were you raised, dude, huh, what? Where were you raised, like what?
Speaker 2:what city? Oh, my father was in the marine corps, so we moved around a lot, okay, a lot. But if I was gonna claim, claim anything, it would probably be dot city. Really, yeah, but that's where I went to high school at. Is there a Marine base in Kansas? No, no, no, no. He retired in like 2002 or 2003,. And then I did a year of high school for the Los Angeles Unified School District. I did my ninth grade year over there at Sylmar High School up there, so I'm very, very familiar with Los Angeles and everything else like that. Then I went to high school over there in Dodge City, kansas.
Speaker 2:But my dad, he was a major. I didn't really understand the aspects of it until when I got it wasn't until when I got into the military, but and I'll go, I grew up a lot in like 29 Palms area, a lot, because my dad let's just face it, I go were you in the army or Marine Corps, army Army? Okay. So imagine this. So imagine somebody that's that's a prick at doing really well at their job. And they spent 28 out of their 30 years over there at Fort Orwin. It's not a good duty station everybody. It's a crap hole. So my dad spent the majority of his career over there in 29 Palms. Great person, great officer, but he just didn't have the personality to be somewhere nice like San Diego, Hawaii. He was straight up artillery and all that good stuff. So he spent a lot of time in 29 Palms and a lot of people don't realize in the Marine Corps you only have to go to 29 Palms once because it's considered a hardship tour. Oh, I didn't realize that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it kind of sucks to be there, but I didn't realize it was a hardship tour.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then this is a joke, everybody.
Speaker 1:but Lake Dambidini does not smell good, so I could kind of see how you got paved into like corrections now, coming from that background. Did you have? Were you initially tested by the inmates?
Speaker 2:Oh, all the time man.
Speaker 2:What were some of the ways that they tested you, so so so this is about what's about like. Like like. The basic instance was was when I first started, I went to the tdc academy hands down, in my opinion, the best academy out there for corrections because they were that, they were realistic with you, like they didn't sugarcoat it. It wasn't like when I went to go. It wasn wasn't like when I did the Colorado Academy, where it was like hey, you're here to make a difference, I go normalization, I'm all like going from Texas to Colorado. That was two completely different worlds, that's, we'll be here like forever. So going from that. So it's more of like hey, you know what, you know what you can be an inspiration for these guys guys, I'm being serious.
Speaker 1:I know you're laughing. I don't mean to laugh, bro, but you're blowing me away right now.
Speaker 2:No, no, no trust me, trust, trust me, it was blowing me away. So over there at the texas academy, they were more real with you, don't get me wrong. The instructors, they were pricks and I didn't want to talk to them, right, but they were more real to you. They'd be like so you would have, so you have like a class of 50 and I've literally seen this with my own eyes, with my own eyes, which is about you have, you have 50 people. Maybe about three months after the academy, maybe about one or two people would still be left over after the academy as a high turnover rate. But the advantage is, what's about in Texas corrections? They don't pay you well, but it's the prestige of doing it. Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in my opinion. What kind of guards are they looking for? What kind of correctional officers are they looking like for firm individuals, fair individuals? Do you have a pulse that? Really Okay, that seems to be the consensus everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they stress to you in the academy to be fair, firm, consistent, and I know this is going to shock a lot of people, but in my 10 years of doing corrections I've only had three uses of force.
Speaker 1:In 10 years, you've only had three uses of force. Yeah, I've only had three. What were they? Pepper spray?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was all pepper spray and then one time was due to a medical emergency.
Speaker 1:You had to use force as a result of the medical emergency.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the freaking idiot. He decided to go get high and he was just out of his mind. I'm like, stand up for count and this is going to come in Europe. This is when I was working over there at the feds. This is why you've got to remain composure. You got to lift weights. You have to exercise the COs. I know you've seen it. Where you see the COs where they just eat like three buckets of Kentucky fried chicken and they don't move. I go, that's literally like I think the amount of walking that some of them do, they just walk from the car to the cell block, absolutely, I kid you, not people. So anyways, so this one guy I go, this is over here at FCI Englewood. This one guy. He comes along, he was higher than a kite he took I don't know what he took. It's about like, look, man, if you want to get high, stand up for count. I don't really really ask for that much. Stand up for count. He was high, he couldn't move. Great, great, great.
Speaker 2:Now I got to call up the lieutenant. Like, look, when you're in corrections you start becoming like an inmate because you don't want to talk to the lieutenant. Right, like I know, effective if you, chain of command. Yeah, if you were my lieutenant Hector, I wouldn't want to talk to you. I'll say good morning to you, unless I physically, physically, have to call you and call you up. I don't want to talk to you. It's nothing personal, right, but I want him to have an easy job Drink coffee nothing personal, but, but I want him to have an easy job. Drink coffee, drink coffee and I go. And he has the harder job than I do of dealing with inmates, because you gotta deal with the administration, I go. I've dealt with the administration a little bit and I'm just all like that's a fact it's easier to deal with inmates than it is administration.
Speaker 1:Let me. Let me make that an official right now yeah, it is a whole lot easier.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, so, so, so back to my story. I know in fact I jump back and forth a lot. I'm like a what's what I like? Well, I've liked that one movie. The dog goes squirrel, and then I go along and I go off what movie is that?
Speaker 2:uh, I think it's like a dog's life or something. I haven't seen it, I can't remember. Well, I saw it, it was a good movie, so anyway, so this one guy hired. So I called up the lieutenant. I was like, hey, what's about? I'm not going to say the inmate's name because I believe in, because I believe in inmates privacy, because it's not my business absolutely don't say the name yeah.
Speaker 2:So I don't believe in saying the names. So I was like, hey, get up, no, I don't want to move. And my lieutenant saw like, oh great, I'm like right, that's it. So I had enough of him. So I went along, I went to the back of him, I put him in a, put him in a half, I put him in a full Nelson stood him up and I was literally making him walk and then the lieutenant told me hold on, bonner, hold on Bonner, let's go grab the stair chair, stair chair. So he grabs his stair chair and everything else like that. He pukes, he pukes, I get his puke on me. Oh God, the smell of the back of his hair. So anyway, it's like whatever Go along, the lieutenant goes get some anesthetized, they go do whatever, go along and I go sit down. Then I go sit down, I'm like great, I actually had to earn my paycheck today and I actually had to talk to the lieutenant.
Speaker 1:Is there a rank between CO and lieutenant or is there like a sergeant?
Speaker 2:In the feds there's no sergeants. There isn't. There is no sergeants in the feds, but for the state of Texas and the state of Colorado there were sergeants. So I go along, I type up my report, report, report, and then I just forget all about it, and then I never had any issues after I really hardly ever have issues. And so, and then, like years later, I will say, like two or three years later, inmates, they're going to remember everything which you guys do, trust me, they're going to remember everything that you do, everything.
Speaker 2:So, like years later, this one inmate came up to me. He was all like, oh, wait a minute, you're Officer Bonner. I'm like, yes, yes, I'm Officer Bonner, hey, hey, hey, this one inmate just wants to say that he's sorry for throwing up on you and not standing up for count. And he was just all like yeah, yeah. So he says he's very, very sorry. So this one inmate delivered this other inmate and they were talking to me in another prison. I go, trust me, guys, inmates talk, so whether you're a good CO or you're a bad CO. So after that I was like, okay, that's pretty good, because I've forgotten all about it, and then that's part of the CO.
Speaker 2:And then, of course, after that shift, my mom was all like what happened to you? I was like, oh, I had to earn my paycheck, can you please get the washer ready? And then she smelled my clothes. She was like, ugh, that guy needs to take a shower. I'm all like, trust me, me, mom, it smelled a whole lot worse so, of course. So that's just prison, man. And then, and so you got to keep your head underneath, pressure, pressure. You got to keep yourself self cool, cool. You have to be physically strong. Strong, like if you can't, you can't live. If you can't deadlift like 135, get on there and go deadlift at least 135.
Speaker 1:Why did you choose 135?
Speaker 2:Because that's 45 pounds on each plate and then not everybody can do like 225. Not everybody can do 315. 315 should be a standard and reasonable goal that people should do Right? No, that's good, yeah, and so like. So, after dealing so after dealing with that inmate, inmate and all that other stuff, all that other stuff, stuff, I came along, kept my head cool, no problem. Ever after that then all the inmates are like oh crap, oh bonnet, here we gotta. We got to stand up for count, but go along like when you're dealing with inmates. They don't make the best choices in life.
Speaker 1:What type of inmates were housed in that Texas facility? Like what level and what crimes were they in there for?
Speaker 2:In the state of Texas, they kind of throw everybody and everything, and the inmates that you need to look out for are the G3 inmates. Now, don't forget too, I worked Texas corrections from 2014 to 2017. So stuff may have changed in the past eight or nine years. So G3 inmates and I didn't have any G3 inmates over there at my first prison, but my second prison they're doing anywhere from 50 years to life without parole, 50 years to life without yeah yeah, so that's the that's G3.
Speaker 2:And then that's like the classification. But that was at the second Texas prison I went to. The first one I went to was inmates where they were doing anything from two years to life. From two years to life, yeah, life, but you had to work your. It was a great, great prison to be at, called Dalhart.
Speaker 1:The G3 inmates. Are they housed in cells? Is their living, is their housing units more secured?
Speaker 2:Well, it just depends. Like I go in Texas, in Texas, when I worked over there at the Bill Clements unit, you actually had G3 inmates that actually lived in dorms. No way, yeah, yeah. Well, you got to think about it. If you're doing life without parole, you kind of want to have the best living conditions.
Speaker 1:A dorm is not a best living condition. A lot of people don't like to live with other individuals.
Speaker 2:Texas and California is two completely different worlds. I've learned that.
Speaker 1:What are some of the differences that you've seen or observed?
Speaker 2:The number one thing that trips me out the most about California Corrections was about how many people actually say the organization's names In Texas. You don't say the organization's names, it's just something you just don't do. It's like the old saying from J Edgar Hoover there's no sex thing as the mafia Like what it's about, even if like Are there organizations in Texas.
Speaker 1:Yeah they have organizations in Texas but I mean, are they that strict that they will come after somebody for mentioning their name?
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, because in, like Texas was about. I don't know if Texas still does it, but in Texas, if you were a member of an organization, they just locked away you in SHU forever. Right, yeah, or SHU, or we called it high security, or ECB, and ECB stands for extended cell blocks, and that's just for having a tattoo. And you were locked down forever. So nobody ever wanted to say they were part of an organization.
Speaker 1:So one of the differences you see between California and Texas is that you feel that they loosely say the names of organizations in California as opposed to Texas.
Speaker 2:Well, they say the names To me. That's just weird, now is it?
Speaker 1:loosely. Now who says the name YouTube podcasters? Yeah, like.
Speaker 2:YouTube podcasters like hey, this prison organization, that prison organization, there's some that don't say the names though. Yeah, there's some, there's some, but don't forget too everybody. Look, man, I don't really follow all of prison YouTube. I hate prison YouTube. I've been working in prisons for 10 years, yeah, and I don't really watch that much of it. I just see like little clips. I go, you're the only channel that I watch.
Speaker 1:Who's your favorite YouTube prison genre channel.
Speaker 2:There's actually two. One is about yours, don't say mine, somebody else. Okay, believe it or not, it was JD Rutherford. Really, yeah, I forget what he called it, because what I liked about JD Rutherford was about my neighbor. He turned me on to him. Jd Rutherford was is about my neighbor. He turned me on to him and what I liked about him was when he said this is my war story, war story. War story he came along with about like CEOs, like they need to be compassionate, I go. They need at least like like I go. Like they need to like listen to us, like not give us everything. So after hearing that, I was like he really really helped me out a lot because he was actually real with his content. So after hearing that, I was like he really really helped me out a lot because he was actually real with his content. So I always liked, I liked him, I liked him. So I liked him a lot.
Speaker 2:Now, with his YouTube drama, I stay out of YouTube drama. I really I don't care. Do you ever see drama on the YouTube? Oh God, my golly man, my just the I. Oh God, mike Golly man, I go. Just the little stuff of what my neighbors send me. My mom sends me I'm talking about prison YouTube. I kid you, not everybody. That really really is how prison is, with all the drama and all the high school stuff. That's a fact. I go. That really really is real life now, now, now, what, whether or not and I go. I've seen in prison prison where I heard about it if you say something about somebody, you don't know how they're gonna react or they'll fucking kill you, yeah, like possibly kill you yeah, and they so like it's just better you just keep your mouth shut and you just stay out of the drama.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then this is also to another one of these CEOs If you hang out with fellow CEOs after work, there's nothing wrong with that, but do not expect CEOs, ceos to keep their mouth shut, cause they'll tell everybody, and even the inmates will know about what CEO got super drunk, what CEO I go, I go go, which, which CO loves, so-and-so. It's just all like golly and I hate to break it to you guys. Inmatecom is very, very, it's actually 90% accurate, sometimes Elaborate. What is the inmatecom? Oh, you know, like when inmates, whenever they're spreading like rumors and stuff like that. How much did you say?
Speaker 1:90% accurate. 90% accurate sometimes. What about prisonguardcom?
Speaker 2:Pretty accurate at times, right, oh God no, golly, that's just like 90%, like half the stuff I don't even believe, believe, like me and Hector, we could go grab a beer together. Well, I don't drink, but okay, okay, along with your scenario, okay, you know what? Uh, hiking. You know what we'll go with hiking. It's like me, like me and hector, if we were to go on a hike together, together we go up on a really nice hike, we enjoy it. I post it up on his, he posts it up on his instagram on his instagram and gram the other guards. Be like wait, you hang out with hector outside of work. Yeah, yeah, no man, hector's a cool dude. And so like, oh, okay. And then, pretty soon, and pretty soon. And like, oh, hector got a teletubby tattoo with with josiah. So like, where did you get?
Speaker 1:like no, I could see that. I've seen that.
Speaker 2:I could see the whole entire drama unfold yeah, like I'm talking about like, like, like, something like so silly, right so. Something like I know practice, like I don't want like, like, like, something like so silly, right so. Something like I know practice, like I don't want to do, like real, real scenarios I want to make. No, that's perfect like.
Speaker 1:That's a perfect example yeah so with your mentality, you want to come into work in a professional setting law enforcement agency. How difficult is that to do your job when you're dealing with those type of personalities?
Speaker 2:the best one was about on how you do it Like with all you new CEOs out there is learn the people that you're working with If you know this person loves drama or anything else like that learn it.
Speaker 1:What's a good indicator that somebody loves drama?
Speaker 2:Oh, they pretty much tell you themselves Like you, you barely sit down and they'll say, hey, did you hear what? I'm going to be picking on you a lot, Hector.
Speaker 1:No, go ahead and handle it, bro. This is going to be the educational portion of the podcast. Okay, perfect perfect, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like one of the things was, you're sitting down, hey, bro, Like hey, what's up pal? Hey, did you know that Hector, Did you know? Did you know? Did you know? Did you know that Hector came along and he has a big crush on Samantha and that was what he got Samantha's name tattooed on his lower back. I'm all like, first of all, that's not true. Second of all, I just don't believe you, pal. They pretty much tell you, and I'm talking about I barely sat down with them they're starting to tell me was about like how hector loves samantha and then how hector has samantha tattooed on his lower back so for a new cop going into a correctional setting, a good indicator that a person's fucking full of shit drama.
Speaker 1:You stay away from it if they, right off the top, start. You know making up stuff about other people and you know what the catch to that is. If they're talking to you about somebody, then they're sure in the fuck going to be talking to somebody else about you.
Speaker 2:Exactly Now, there's some people they're more subtle than that. Ooh, give us some examples. So like, some people are all like Fucking snakes, yeah, so like, perfect example, like me and you. So like, let's go say and I've seen this a lot with other COs be very, very careful on who you hang out with outside of work, work, work, work. So like, let's go say so, let's go say, if let's go say Hector tells me something private, that he has a Teletubby tattoo, okay, and I want to get promoted, and I'm going to say, hey, warden, hey lieutenant, did you know? Did you know? Did you know, like, we're up for this promotion? Did you know that Hector has a Teletubby tattoo and they'll use something personal against you? That you thought for sure that they would never tell anybody?
Speaker 1:Correct. I like the example you're giving because it's a drastic example, but it makes sense because you can fill it in with A, b or C.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, and then like plus two. I don't want to do extreme scenarios on here, because I've seen the way how your words got mixed around on YouTube and everything else like that.
Speaker 1:Oh, don't worry, I'm going to protect you bro.
Speaker 2:I know you will. I know you will.
Speaker 1:And you haven't messed up thus far. No, I appreciate it, man. So I love the advice you're giving to the new cops, man, because I've been trying to tell them for two years. They ain't nobody listening to me. And what's crazy is that, off the top, we're talking about. You know how can staff protect themselves from other staff members in the duration of their career? We haven't even gotten to the inmates yet, so avoiding drama, what other advice can you give in that realm Also?
Speaker 2:too, was identifying factors.
Speaker 2:Identifying factors. Let's see If people believe it or not. As silly as this is going to sound, if you have like a Facebook, Instagram or social media, look on the comments that they put on other people. And then also to another example was oh, hey, Also to another example, what other COs would do? Be all like, hey, Lieutenant, so-and-so, I want to let you know that Hector's not really sick. He went to a concert. I saw it on his Instagram. I'm like bro, why are you telling the lieutenant and the lieutenants leave them alone, because they get a lot of stupid stuff, stuff that staff members tell about so-and-so, thinking that they're getting ahead. The lieutenants, they don't care like literally, don't try to make somebody else look bad to go promote you are speaking gold right now, man.
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Speaker 2:You know what it is, hector, me and you, we both have very similar ones. This is about I'm going to hand it for you wanting to promote. I've seen it after two and a half years that, dealing with the administration, I don't want to talk to them, I'd much rather deal with inmates all day. Right facts, inmates all day like and I know this is gonna sound really, really bad, but but you'll get this there are. There are some inmates that I much rather have them be my neighbor than to have certain ceos to be my neighbor I'd rather have neither, but I hear what you're saying yeah, yeah, I'd rather have neither yeah, like some seals are worse than the inmates I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then I've covered that too yeah um, but let's change the gears a little bit to uh, inmates, inmates, inmates, inmates. Let's talk about how you said the texas academy differed from the colorado academy, because the colorado one they wanted you to be, you know, more friendly oh, speaking of which, and then in Colorado too too, is what they actually want us to?
Speaker 1:actually shake hands with inmates Now knowing what you know and the experience you've been around, do you think it's a good idea for CEOs to be shaking hands with inmates trying to help them in a in a in a in a way that is beyond their duties?
Speaker 2:Actuality, those are other people's jobs. I go as a CO. You're responsible for the safety and security in the institution and you are an authority figure per se and the inmates they give you that power. I go because a lot of the inmates that I've dealt with that I've dealt with. I don't try to be their friends. I don't sit there and try to be their buddies, I just do my job.
Speaker 1:Tell the new COs why it's a bad idea to try to be an inmate's friend.
Speaker 2:Because if you try to be the friend, if you try to go the friendly route, the friendly route, it's not going to work out. Try to go like the friendly route, the friendly route. It's not going to work out because it's just because I go. If you try to do the friendly route, it's just not going to work because you can't be friends. You can't be friends with people Basically in prison. You're like a manager and for everybody that's in the military, terry has a seal, you're like an E5. You can't be one of the boys. You got to pick one Be one of the boys or be a manager.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how does it affect safety by trying to be a friend to an inmate?
Speaker 2:Okay, safety, okay, that's a good question. I like that one. The safety part is what this is about. It's about like if you see an inmate that they want to attack, so-and-so, for whatever reason, they'll say, oh, wait a minute, oh, wait a minute, officer so-and-so, so-and-so, he's my buddy. I shook his hand, hand hand hand. I came along, I gave him some of my spread. I gave him some of my spread. He'll roll the door open up for me on the next cell block and I could go get at my ops. That that's the reason why it happens.
Speaker 2:No, it does, because, like ways, how seals get corrupt it's not everybody always thinks it's money and everything else. Like that, you can become corrupt in many different ways. Food, friendship Well, that's how it starts. Yeah, it always starts off as something small. And inmates, man, they are smart, they know how to get their way and they know how to manipulate people better than you do. Yeah, I mean, they got nothing but time, exactly. And then a lot of the inmates they're not as dumb as people try to make them out to be, if you've seen the books that they read, the read and then the way how certain ones, how they talk to certain CEOs, oh, they're intellectual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I go. It's just the way how it goes, man, I go.
Speaker 1:in order for you to live that lifestyle, a criminal lifestyle, you have to be manipulative, because any given time you're done in that lifestyle, because any given time you're done in that lifestyle, give advice to a new CEO about possible ways they can be manipulated by an inmate.
Speaker 2:Possible ways, trying to be your friend, friend, friend, and you got to nick this one in the butt. Hey, hey, pretend I'm an inmate and Hector, you're a cop. Hey, hector, first of all, we never call each other by our last name, by our first name. Be like hey, mr Bravo, hey, man, hey, I just want to let you know, sir, sir, what's this about? Officer Timothy was saying something bad about you, something like your was about you got like a like. Instead of you getting a green paint job, they gave you a red paint job. Man, dude, man, I think that's messed up. You should go get yourself a red paint job.
Speaker 1:So, right off the top, the way I would address that, you're like hey, man, get away from me, number one. Yeah, don't be talking to me about any of that stuff. It doesn't involve you, that's a wrap. Yeah, it's that simple.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's that simple. Because a lot of people try to think that inmates manipulate staff through force, correct Force. I hate to break it to you people. If you try to go manipulate people through force, it's not going to last that long. You got to be subtle.
Speaker 1:Finesse it, finesse it Kind of like spitting game to a girl, exactly.
Speaker 2:You got to lie to them a little bit.
Speaker 1:They like it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly Like how it was about, like, look, I'll give everybody a perfect example. I flew all the way from Colorado to San Diego to be on Hector's podcast, to go help you guys out, help you guys out, because I'm doing this, because I believe in it.
Speaker 1:I didn't realize you flew in dude. Yeah, yeah, I did. Thank you for that. I didn't realize you flew in bro the last guy flew in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, because I believe in what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I appreciate that. Look at that, guys.
Speaker 2:And jumping back and forth, because the way how I see how Hector carried himself on the YouTube channel, I'm like okay, okay, this guy's not being an idiot. He didn't force me to come here Now. I'm here on my own free will. I took my own vacation time to come and be on this show. Oh, bro, I owe you lunch or something man.
Speaker 2:Nah, man, you're good man because you're actually doing something good. But back to the point, that's how it starts For something that simple we'd be all like. And then they start talking to you. Now they got the friendship route, friendship route, and then also too another way was I know to a lot of people was man them inmates? They make some good aspirates Like you smell it, it smells good. It smells good. You go along, you get mandatory. You have to stay there for another eight hours. Do not accept that burrito. Trust me that that burrito is going to cost you a lot.
Speaker 1:I will say this man, and I agree with you. I agree with you. There was probably one time I worked the kitchen, the culinary, and in the morning time they're like, hey, call me my last name, you want one of these breakfast sandwiches? And I looked and I'm dude, I was hungover, I was fucking starving. I don't even think I packed the lunch. I'm like, yeah, man, hook it up. But I remember I stood there to watch him make it the whole entire time and I did eat it. Right, it was fucking food from the colon. It was was food from the kitchen. None of their personal shit.
Speaker 2:No, that's fine. That's fine Because I remember when I worked in the kitchen they made me like these peach desserts.
Speaker 1:Woo, I couldn't stop eating them, man. Yeah, so there's a, I guess. Yeah, it's good that you were probably like a different issue. We shouldn't have probably been doing that anyways, right.
Speaker 2:But it was a fucking opportunity to eat. Man, dude, man, I don't care what anybody says, man them Pisces, they sure know how to cook up really, really well. Yeah, correct, that's an accurate statement. I go. Man them Pisces, they can cook, I go, but just don't take anything because like me, see, like me as an individual was about or like as an inmate, if I can take you to get a burrito, I can get you to get a burrito.
Speaker 2:I can get you to bring me in a piece of gum and then the piece of gum turns into a pen, and then the pen turns into tobacco, and then the tobacco turns into so much other stuff.
Speaker 1:In your career have you seen cops get busted for being dirty A lot? Yeah, I heard about it and then I've seen them in Texasas we call it when they walk them out of the unit. We call it the same thing in california.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the feds, in the feds, I haven't seen it but talk to me about the procedure in texas.
Speaker 1:Do they go under like an investigation? Is it a prolonged thing?
Speaker 2:you know what I was, that one ceo. I just stayed out of it. I really I can't tell you.
Speaker 1:I really all my stuff is all through, like mainly through hearsay how do you catch wind of it through hearsay like, hey, did you hear so-and-so got well, I go, I'll go hearsay, or what's this about?
Speaker 2:what was about? Or people they'll they'll tell it to you right on roll call, like, or what's about? When you're sitting there in Texas roll call and then you hear other officers hey, did you hear about how officer so-and-so was with inmate so-and-so? Yeah, they just walked her out and that's the reason why I go, that's the reason why we're short today.
Speaker 2:So you've experienced a female correctional just sleeping with inmates yeah, having inappropriate relationships I'll consider the term inappropriate relationships because I wasn't there, right, right, right, I wasn't there. I'm not going to say no names or which prison it was at. Yeah, don't do that, but I go, I go.
Speaker 2:You got to be careful, like, and a lot of people and a lot of people, careful you don't accidentally do that man no no, you shouldn't do it at all Correct, but let me rephrase that If you're a female and you're a CO, there's plenty of COs that will give you that dick. Oh, there's plenty of them. Trust me, I go. Their standards are really not that high. Trust me you can.
Speaker 1:high are like trust, like trust me like, like, like you can go look like like freaking um, like fiona from fucking shrek or you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like, trust me there and you're still gonna get a good shot of yeah, if you really really want to have a, we really want to have intimacy, that bad. Trust me, there's plenty of ceos that will raise their hand and say I, I'll do her.
Speaker 1:There's plenty of them that will do that Correct. Maybe they're searching for a bad boy image or something.
Speaker 2:I don't know A thrill?
Speaker 1:I don't know either. It's like a mental illness, if you ask me, you know what no disrespect you know what.
Speaker 2:That's just how some of them are. I go, what's this all about? I go, what's this about? Like the females, like to me, that's just a scratch of it. We can say the females, because it's going to lighten everybody up. But, man, I've heard of officers bringing in contraband. I've heard of officers doing this doing that Advice for the new staff members?
Speaker 1:Is it a good idea for coworkers to date coworkers?
Speaker 2:Be very careful with that. Personally, I've seen it work.
Speaker 1:I've never seen it work? I, I've seen it work. I've never seen it work I've seen it work.
Speaker 2:I've seen it work when they're on different shifts. What's your? Definition of working like so, like I know in the fed, uh, like what's this about? Like let's go say, uh, let's see, I don't like the feds. We have like seven to three. Uh was, we have day shift, evening shift and night shift. So if your significant other works day shift, you work evening shift, then it can work, work, but but you're never seeing each other but yeah, because you're not seeing each other.
Speaker 2:And then there's some people like we're guards, like I don't see how people could do it. They could work the same shift or their partner, and then they go home with them. It's too much, oh, and then also too, and then also too. This is about all you men out there. If you think that you're a high-time player, ceo and all that other stuff, you don't really have to be worried about the inmates trying to get your women. It's the other staff member that's trying to get your women. Well, that's kind of what I was elaborating. Yeah, because I go like inmates, I expect inmates to act like inmates. Right, that's my job. I don't take anything personal from inmates. I don't expect that stuff from a co-worker, like certain staff members. I've heard stories of other staff members when they tell me hey bro, hey bro, I'm trying to. Hey, did you know? I don't know. We'll make up names, I don't know. Jose and Maria, jose and Maria, but Jose forgot about Maria's birthday. So then he goes hey, maria, I'm so sorry that so-and-so forgot your birthday. Here's your birthday card.
Speaker 1:And then whoop, Next thing, you know, man. Yeah, oh, do your examples are on point, bro, because it's almost like they've happened before.
Speaker 2:Oh, trust me, Trust me they have. I've changed a lot of change, a lot of names. We don't be dropping, be dropping no names around here.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:But this is like real-life scenarios and for all you new COs I hate to break it to you You're going to have more troubles with staff members than you are going to be with inmates.
Speaker 1:Now I don't know if you watch my channel or are aware. I like your channel, thank you. Or are aware of what is currently happening in the california department correction and rehabilitation but we have some kind of program called the california model. Well, not we, because I'm a civilian. Now, what is your advice to young correctional officers that are going to an academy and being taught basically what you were taught in colorado versus what you were taught in texas?
Speaker 2:you know you got to stand by your morals. I go, I get it through the California model with the Colorado model, because these guys are going to get out and we have to try to make them adaptive to society. We have to. Some of these guys, some of the inmates they really haven't had any positive people that showed them on how to like correct behavior. So I get it now, like personally, like, like, like when you told, like when you said about that one seal getting his neck, his neck, uh, oh, I showed you the video oh, the video was online yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:First of all, I responded to you on your TikTok channel. I didn't believe you at first, but then, once you told me it's real and I heard from other people nah, man, I go, that is for, like somebody that's a volunteer or somebody should crack your neck, I go, I don't believe any necks should be cracked in prison, volunteer or not. Like I could see like if you're trying, if they're trying to do an internship and they have some volunteers doing it and they're trying to get like their chiropractic degree, that I get.
Speaker 1:But if you're letting an inmate come along and chiroprack, your neck, but by putting his hands all over his mouth.
Speaker 2:Oh man, oh man, like, if you probably just took a piss right previously, who knows?
Speaker 2:Oh man, that should be the least of like, yeah, like, if you're letting an inmate do that to you, I, I, what could go wrong Personally, if I'm an inmate and and I see you, and, and I and I see you and I see another inmate do that, oh, man bro, I got you. Like I don't even. I see. Like, hey, you know what man, you're doing such a good job of believing in rehabilitation. Hey, pal, you want to make some money? Or what's about like, come on, bro, come and do this for me.
Speaker 1:I was thinking he'd have his fucking neck snapped. Think about it.
Speaker 2:Think about it If you're an inmate right and that, and you see another inmate that's allowing to crack his neck, do you really have to resort to violence to get what you want from him? Oh, I like that. I like that man. Yeah, like like you got to think like an inmate right. Oof, yeah, I like that. Yeah, I go gotta think like one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't have to resort to violence when you can just have your way with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I go like like think about it, hector, and I'm really glad you brought that up, and your whole entire time in corrections right now was now was violence necessary in every single aspect of every single inmate that you dealt with oh no, no, dude, and I'm glad if you want to elaborate on that now, which is de-escalation and avoiding the violence when you can avoid the violence. Yeah, when you can, when you can when you can.
Speaker 1:So can you talk about how, maybe give some examples of where things might get heated, not to the point of fighting, but to the point of where, hey, you can use your words like hey, man, calm down, dude.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'll give you a perfect example, and it was during COVID it. He came along and was like hey, Bonner, my family members just died, and so his time was from golly. Being a correctional officer during COVID. Oh God, that was a freaking nightmare, Fucking nightmare, man.
Speaker 2:That was the worst time of my corrections. I'll never do that again Me neither. So there's this one inmate. So he told me and me thinking that the inmate just wants some extra phone time, phone time and I was like, wait a minute, I think this guy's actually being real. So I came along. I came along, I was like, all right, man, just make it quick. So I let him go make the phone call. So I let him go make the phone call. And so then when you hang up the phone, you got done talking like, hey man, hey man, hey man, hey man, you need to go back to your cell. And he was all like, oh, I'm really, really depressed. And I was like, hey, you know what man? I've had death in my family. I don't know what you're going through, but I got to let these other guys out and I'm not going to let them out if he's still over here. So could you please go back to your cell Cell? Now I know a lot of people are saying, oh, that's inmate-friendly or whatever.
Speaker 2:So you go along, so I go along, so I put them in there, so I go unlock the other guys and then I just listen to them. For like five minutes he said his spiel. I really I can't remember at all. I don't even remember the inmate's name or anything else like that. So I listened to him. So that's a way on how you can prevent it, how you can prevent a situation from going to somebody that just lost a family member. You still have to realize that these inmates are human too. Yeah, because that could go south fast. Oh yeah, oh yeah. And then also, too, what drives me nuts as a CEO and I know this probably drove you nuts, drove you nuts is when staff members when they would joke with inmates.
Speaker 1:What kind of joking.
Speaker 2:Oh, like, oh, just like joking in general. Like to me, I can't we be joking with these guys like hey, I don't know, like uh, why did the chicken cross the road to go to get to the other side?
Speaker 1:like to me, I go just set you up like, or there was times where we'd laugh with the inmates because we had that sick morb morbid sense of humor, usually if somebody got killed or stabbed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I go. Everybody does it differently, but to me, if you're making jokes with somebody, you're going to forget that they're an inmate, right. And the perfect way how I could put that at was when I worked the kitchen a little bit a bit in Texas, in Dalhart, and I worked there like two or three days. It was nothing major, my first day, second day, but on my second day I forgot I was working in a prison. I thought I was in Denny's. Denny's like, yeah, like to me, or also to another thing. What drives me nuts is like when I actually seen officers where they play pranks on inmates, I go look, you guys think we're joking, but we're not.
Speaker 1:Do you believe there should be a hard line in the sand that separates staff member versus inmates?
Speaker 2:Yeah, there should be like, like what's this is about? Like, like inmates, they give you that power. Like, what's this about? Like inmates, they give you that power, they give you the power to go along to go, lock them down, lock them down and everything else. Like, they give you that power, I go, if people, if you like, joke around with people and everything else. Like that. It's just not going to work out. Because I know me personally, like, if I see you, see you, and you go play a prank on another inmate, I just look at you as a, as as one of the boys, boys. So so it's what you got to look at it through through that point of view, right View. But yeah, like or cause, like the inmates, you're cleaner, you're cleaner and he does a really good job of cleaning. Like, let's just face it, I go, some inmates are like man dude, that inmate, he really really knows how to clean my office up really, really well, really, really well. That's what I mean about liking him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so do you believe every correctional officer? Do you believe that it takes a certain type of person to be a correctional officer, or can anybody do it?
Speaker 2:Not everybody can do it. There's some people they can't, some some people they just can't do it. Do it. I would probably have to say to say, like, like, growing up, like like my dad, like like Like my dad was an asshole, I go, he was a prick, very, very strict, firm, firm and everything else like that. So like he would always tell me and it wasn't until years later when I figured it out, when he told me, well, figure it out. He didn't know how to do it, so I had to figure it out, so I had to use my own problem solving and dealing with hostile people, People I would have to say, probably the worse growing up you are, the better CO that you're going to become.
Speaker 1:Damn dude. You hit the nail on the head with that and I agree with that.
Speaker 2:Because this one one co. Nothing bad against him, I go. He had a silver spoon in his mouth, mom and dad, mom and dad, they gave him everything. Nothing wrong with that, I go. I'm not hating on the guy guy, but he never suffered. Like like he didn't know what it was about. Like was like he didn't know what it was like to struggle. Like he didn't know what it was to struggle. Like when you go to the grocery store and all you have is $10 for the week and you're eating nothing but ramen, noodles and SpaghettiOs. Or like sacrifice. Like hey, you know what. There's this concert that's coming up, but I got to go pay my electric bill. So I'm going to go pay my electric bill and I'm just not going to go to the concert. So I have to say that people have struggled.
Speaker 1:For sure I agree. Do you have any closing words that you want to say to the audience man? The floor is yours, dude.
Speaker 2:I would have to say probably one of my saddest days, say I'd have to say probably one of them like my saddest days, but my saddest day was was I was working, uh, was I was working. Control, or the control room, which you guys would call it yeah let's go to all you CEOs that are out there.
Speaker 2:There was this one guy, he he retired. He was retired, retired for three years, retired for three years. There's a reason why I'm repeating myself. So, so he's retired for three years and he gives the prison a call at 2 30 in the morning and I answer the phone. Then he asked me hey, hey, is officer so-and-so there because I want to talk to him? No, no, sorry sir, I go, I go, sorry sir, I there's. No, the officer so-and-so isn't working today, today. Have a good night. And then he goes hold up, hold up man, hold up man. He was like you probably don't remember me, I'm such and such. It's like yeah, I remember you. I worked with him like once or twice. He's been retired now for three days, three years, three years, three years. He was retired for three years. He calls the prison at 2.30 in the morning, 2.30 in the morning. And I was like it was like hey man, hey man, before you hang up, can you come and just talk to me? I'm old, I'm lonely and I don't have any friends. I was all like, wow. So I listened to him for about like 30 minutes to an hour, I can't remember I just listened to him and then when I hung up the phone, I go, man, you guys need to go people, you guys need to get your life, you guys need to get yourself a life outside of prison, absolutely Like.
Speaker 2:Part of me thinking was this about when I was in Texas. I kind of isolated myself. I kind of made the job my whole entire life. Made the job my whole entire life. I didn't go to a Cowboys football game. I didn't go to my high school tenure reunion. I regret doing that because I put the job first like an idiot. Like an idiot. So now I don't do that anymore. So now I call off, call off. If I'm going to a concert, I go do stuff, what I want to go do, what I want to go do. What's this about? What's about like, uh, part of me was this about.
Speaker 2:Now I got involved in uh volleyball league. So now I'm part of volleyball leagues. I do that, I play. I play volleyball with different people that are not prison guards and I go. Am I any good? No, no, but I have fun, nice, I have fun, and I go like I don't make the life my job and it's very, very easy to do that Don't be that guy where you're retired for three years and you call the prison at 2.30 in the morning Because, hector, you worked over there at Centinella and Donovan, right yeah, would you ever call Centinella or Donovan at 2.30 in the morning just to talk to somebody? No, thank God, neither would I.
Speaker 1:And the only reason why I do this podcast is to kill time until I can collect my retirement in 10 more years.
Speaker 2:Good for you, man, I wish you the best of luck.
Speaker 2:Retirement in 10 more years Good for you, man. I wish you the best of luck. Thank you, I wish you the best of luck. And also, too, as being a CO. Co was about when I was working somewhere. I was more scared of going to do a salsa class than I would be if I had to go work in a prison. Right, I should not be that scared to go do a salsa class instead of working in the prison. Social anxiety yeah, exactly Because I go just dealing with, and then like dealing like with good people, surround yourself with good people that don't work in prison, and go get yourself and go put yourself in a positive environment.
Speaker 1:Dude, you dropped a lot of knowledge and wisdom on this episode, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, yeah, I go, of course, man, because number one, hector, I actually believe in your podcast, like you're one of the very, very, very few youtubers that I actually like.
Speaker 2:That I appreciate that and I actually now, now, like with your videos and stuff, whenever you go live and stuff, stuff. I don't watch it all the way, but what I'll do is because I believe in supporting your channel on your channel was about I'll go along while I'm go doing a workout or if I'm going to wear somewhere, I'll go put you on my tv nice, on my tv. Now I'm not listening, I'm not watching you.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm giving you like the view and I appreciate that and the view time helps, yeah, tremendously, and and it helps out a lot because I want to see you succeed. Oh, and also to also to like, also to love, like officers too, which is about these inmates they're going to get out one day, whether if it's an hour from now or 25 years from now. I've run into so many inmates that I can't count anymore anymore, anymore, like whenever I hear Bonner, my last name, or I remember one time when I was at Target with my mom, there was three different inmates that recognized me, damn, and my mom was like, okay, that's it, we got to go. Did they approach you? Yeah, I'm not scared of them.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They go hey, what's up, man? Oh, and then also, too, I even had an inmate be my Uber driver and he took me home one time. Oh wait, man. Yeah, that's an interesting story. So these guys are going to get out, treat them like they're human, treat them like the way how you want to be treated, how you want to be treated, and once this, these guys are going to get out and they remember everything.
Speaker 1:trust me they remember everything. Facts, cool man. So once again decided thank you for flying out here, dude, spending your time, your vacation hours, to share the wealth of the wisdom and the experience. Man, there you guys have it, folks. Another banger dude. This guy took time out of his own schedule live to come and share, you know, the experience that he has working in corrections with that. If you haven't already subscribed to the channel, make sure you hit that subscription button below. Love you guys, keep pushing forward.
Speaker 2:Unhinged line. Hector's legend engraved Living life raw, never been tamed. From the hood to the pen. Truth entails pen. Hector Bravo, unhinged story never ends you, thank you.
