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Federal Bureau of Prison: Gio Martini and Good Verbal
We trade safe answers for hard truths as Geo unpacks busted knees, a broken marriage, and a career at the federal pen that turned into music, memes, and a movement. Respect, deterrence, and the gray area come into focus with practical ways to stay alive, stay human, and still do the job.
• knee surgeries, recovery pain, and choosing replacement
• early rap roots, Army service after 9/11, music pause
• divorce during lockdown, music as therapy and lifeline
• Good Verbal origin, meme-making, rumor mills at work
• leadership critique, optics vs deterrence, policy gaps
• corruption cases and uneven accountability in feds
• use of force standards, preservation of life, articulation
• reading energy and pre-violence tells on the yard
• real ones vs keyboard warriors, respect math (80/20)
• coaching rookies on communication, boundaries, gray area
• body cams, voice control, and report writing discipline
• Geo’s next steps: launching a podcast, educational focus
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SPEAKER_02:Chaos is now in session. Welcome back to our channels, Warriors. We are still growing again for season two. We're bringing back another guest that we had on season one, none other than Gio, a former federal CEO. What up, Geo? How you doing, man? I'm glad to be back on this motherfucker. Fuck yeah, dude. Season two.
SPEAKER_01:How was your drive over here, bro? It was nice. Like I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna start flying now because I can't stay on the fucking drive. My knees, I feel like they're like like I could barely walk. That's because you were a grunt, man, in the army.
SPEAKER_02:I'm getting a knee replacement, too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:That is a result of the job in the prison system or both?
SPEAKER_01:I had I had four knee surgeries between 20 uh 11 to 2013 on my left knee. I tore my ACL twice, and then the each the other ones were cleanups. And then they told me when I was 25 that I needed cartilage replacement therapy. But that would take three years to recover, and I'm like, fuck it. I'll just ride to the end. And how old are you? I'm 36 now. And they they told me I was gonna knee replacement by the time I was 45, but they saw my doctor saw the x-ray and he was, say man, all I'm gonna tell you is whenever you want to schedule it, we're gonna get your knee replaced.
SPEAKER_02:So what did it look like? Like there was shit missing where there should have been some stuff?
SPEAKER_01:It so it's no cartilage left, it's all gone. It's just complete arthritis. Like bone-on-bone type shit. Yeah, and this and the screws in my knee, because of its being bone on bone, the screws are kind of like hollowing out. So like it kind of like when I'll slip, like my knee, like my knee will jerk a little bit, but I have no no cushion. So I get cortisone injections every now and then. So yeah. Yeah. Does that help? For like a week. Like the last time they did it, there was so much scar tissue, he had to like kind of like really stab it in, and that shit hurt, but it felt good for a week. But I'm getting to the point where it has to be done soon.
SPEAKER_02:Facts, bro. Yeah. So let's jump right into how you got into the whole music industry, man.
SPEAKER_01:So it's funny, is uh I grew up playing basketball, basketball, uh, soccer, and baseball, but mainly basketball and soccer. Basketball, just because that that whole era is like hip-hop, it's obviously with that. So I always had my friends that would try to get me to rap because I'm white. You know, I'll get the white boy to rap. And one time I just randomly did it, I had to battle someone, and I was nervous as fuck. In what city? It's Victorville. In Victorville, yeah. So at school, uh, it was Silverado. Like my friend hyped me up like I was gonna be someone, like I was the best rapper in the world, and I never did the shit. And I got cornered and I was battling this other dune, and I just I made the whole crowd laugh, and I didn't know that I had the shit. So I I rapped a little bit when I was a kid, but then when I joined the army, I kind of stopped. And you stopped when you joined the army? Yeah. Why is that? I didn't see myself going anywhere with it's not what I wanted. And when when 9-11 happened, I remember when uh when it I remember my mom watching the TV, like like many people at that time, and you see everything happening full time. I was in sixth grade at the time, and I remember saying then that I would join the military one day because I wanted to go. Like if the war's still going, I wanted to go.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So as I started, once I graduated high school, that thought was still kind of in my mind. I didn't know what I was gonna do. And then rapping just felt like I was doing nothing, I wasn't making money from it, I wasn't doing shit, so that's why I joined the army. And then fast forward, my boy Nico, Pinta Vibes, my fucking dog, uh, he has a clothing line, and I showed him, I told him, I showed him some old rap, and he's like, dude, all I need you to do is make me an intro, just do something. Yeah, and I'm like, fuck it. So I did. I was I had just a few years before that started trying to get into rap again, yeah, starting to say shit, but it just I wasn't feeling it yet. I came out with Pintha Vibes, and I remember in his car, and we were just driving around, he was bumping it, he was like, This is the hardest fucking song, he's he was amping me up. This is the hardest motherfucking song. This is fucking dope. You gotta make an album, yeah. And then I saw like on a reel, it wasn't much, but for me it was a lot. It was like 10,000 reels, and I remember talking to you like in the very beginning, like not realizing how the music got, and I'm like, man, this is fucking dope. Bro, yeah, that was three years ago, dude. Yeah, so it was like right in the middle of it, and I'm like time flies, man. Yeah, it does, it does. So then like it was it was really amazing. The the part that made it better is I didn't really get much support at first where I was at, right? Until they started seeing it come from other people, and then it was like, oh, now we're buying clothes, and it was like it was all about his clothing brand. I didn't care about the music part, like I was doing it for that, but then it became bigger than what it was. So that's what kind of led me into going into good verbal, though. So I make the album, I'm in the middle of a divorce already. That's I had just got knee surgery on my right knee, tearing my ACL.
SPEAKER_02:You were in the middle of a divorce?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, in 2021 it started, like right when, like it was like no 2020, and we divorced in 2022. So she asked for I had just hurt my knee at work, and it was during the COVID lockdown. And two days later, my ex-wife asked for a divorce, like while I'm in like in bed in bed or whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Uh, I quit my job and my wife asked me for a divorce as well. You know what I mean? It's almost it's funny how they fucking bail on you when you need them the most, bro.
SPEAKER_01:That's a fact. And what's even crazier about it is uh she was supposed to pick up my meds for me, and she said she gave them to her dad, yeah, the prescription, and she never did. And the day after, sir, the day during surgery, when I came home, uh I had no pain pills, and no one can help me. So if anyone's been through surgery, that feels like you're getting tortured. Right. I still have love for her, though. That was just one thing. That's the mother of my children, you know. Like, you know, just you know, you know what I mean. A hundred percent. But that like I felt that shit, and then my music is what kind of helped me through that year, because that year I was at home, um, still recovering from knee surgery. It was like six, seven months, and I was just in my head a lot. So he gave me something to like think of, and that's what got me into the music. But after the music, I just started feeling like I didn't there was I didn't want to make anything else because I didn't know what else I could make to it without like telling too much, or because everyone at my at my work was saying, man, he was he said something in this shit. They're just gonna get investigated for it. They're like that where I was at. Everyone is a fucking SIA, SIS, gang expert. Everyone knows everything about everything. So then the rumor spread from that. Let's dive into that.
SPEAKER_02:Because a lot of people ask me, hey, I want to be a CEO. Is it worth it to be a CEO? But we're gonna dive into right now of like shit that they don't see, right? Like how you said uh rumors, gossip, yes, people getting all up in your fucking business. Yes. So you were working for the federal penal system, yes, and then you were creating you you collaborated with PintaVibes, yes, and then you made the album? Yes, and what kind of rumors or hearsay were they saying about your music?
SPEAKER_01:What I'm saying in there, like when I'm saying open up the door, when I say open up the door, LT, they're like, oh, he's talking about shit that are actual cases. Like, come on, motherfucker. How stupid is that? I talk about one thing.
SPEAKER_02:Generically speaking, yeah, that's like that.
SPEAKER_01:I could literally talk about anything. If I say I have my gun, oh, we got a call. He's he's doing shit. Like I posted a picture and I had cops come to my house as a welfare check just because they're over investigating, and all it was was an album cover. There's no way. I swear to God. I swear to God. I didn't even know any of this shit. Yeah, well, because it was stupid to me, but a lot of people were talking negatively about me, and then because because Nico, that's because he's my boy, they're always trying to like it make shit because you know, yeah, yeah, fucking stupid shit. So then they lump me in with it, right? And they say all this, and I remember hearing it all. There'd be people talking shit about me, saying he didn't do any of that, and then I come back, and then they're the ones telling me how much they love the shit. Correct. But they were hating behind closed doors. I think you even mentioned some of that in your music. Yes, I did. Uh I can't remember the exact line, but I always talked. Oh, when I said uh well, I can't remember. There's so many lyrics.
SPEAKER_02:I remember, bro, because I'm like, I can relate.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:The shit that you put out, I could relate to, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Especially you being former army infantry. That's why you helped me start doing this because you're unapologetically yourself. And for me, that's who the fuck I am. Correct. There's not a place that I go that I'm not. Obviously, in the corporate world, I I adjust my cussing, but at the same time, I'm still me.
SPEAKER_02:But let's also, would you agree that during that time frame in history, the world had gotten real shitty with political correctness? Yes, especially soft motherfuckers.
SPEAKER_01:During COVID lockdown, maybe three years, three months into it, people are identifying as cats. You know, like fucking cats, vegetables, like whatever the fuck they can identify as.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, wearing weird shit to the DMB.
SPEAKER_01:I'm a furry, I'm a furry. Like, you need to let me in the bathroom. Like they just stupid fucking shit. Well, that went into the prison world, yeah, and that's where you get Colette Peters that went to Norway thinking that hey, they have it really nice, the prescription pill poppers over here, because the gang shit is not the same over there.
SPEAKER_02:Real quick on Colette Peters, because now you can be more vocal, and she has now transferred over to an oversight of CDCR. How would you describe the lady from your experience? Like dumb, evil?
SPEAKER_01:So she's a woman with a bachelor's degree in something, and then an associate's in psychology. They say that she has a background in psychology. That's like me getting a fucking law degree, just uh just a criminal justice degree, and then going and working at Best Buy, and them saying that I have a criminal justice degree. Absolutely. Like I have no criminal justice experience. And then the fact that she was the only one that she didn't want to move to DC, so they let her be in Oregon. And the whole Oregon department of corrections knows about you, bitch. I'll just say that. Fuck it.
SPEAKER_02:Wait a minute. So feds is feds, right? Yeah. And and she was supposed to be in Washington, but she chose to stay in Oregon?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, because that's where her home was. And then they would fly her out. So we're wasting money on that. We're over here bitching about other stuff, but she's flying over there. Taxpayer money? Yeah, taxpayer money. And and and the funny thing is that the people I had a few people hit me up before she even came to the bureau because I was already doing good verbal shit before that. So they said, just to let you know, this is what you're getting as a director. And the same thing that she's doing in CDC, make it the same thing she did in BOP. She was trying to get rid of shoe and paint this fucking room pink or some shit, some office, the law library. So if they get mad, they can go in there and just fucking, oh, they see pink and now they're fucking nice men. You know, or like DCs, if we get them PlayStations, all the dick jackers, you know, all the gunners, instead of dicks, they'll be jacking sticks. Like that's like the idea of what they're fucking wanting. Like, that's the only way I fucking see it. And then that's so that's what that's what I can say about her. So all the pool tables and all that, yeah. Pretty soon she'll be playing, she'll be hosting sporting events for ESPN.
SPEAKER_02:100%, bro. Wow, holy fuck. You move fast, bro, but I like it because so do I. Let's go back to you rapping your partners. Now I need to know, did you go under investigation for your music at that point in time? No, none. But that's the that was the rumor meal. Not one investigation. Did you come close? Were people hitting you up? Were sard were supervisors telling you to slow your roll?
SPEAKER_01:Not one supervisor. Not what it was always the it was always the rumor mills between officers because that's the way it is. Hey, did you hear this? High school. Did you hear that? Did you hear that? It's it's just like uh if if if cameras were in on us, it would be like those stupid county jail fucking uh spoof, yeah. Yeah, the little spoofs like it's yeah, that's what it is. It's Reno 911. 99% of the people are garbage and 1% are good.
SPEAKER_02:And we can dive into that later in this episode um because we see it more now so than we've been out of the system. Yes, because you become engulfed in that motherfucker. Yes, so good verbal came at what point in time in your music.
SPEAKER_01:So I actually had created this uh because I be I I always had a backup page for my music page just in case it ever got deleted, because I talk the way I fucking talk, and people like reporting it sometimes. So I had a backup and I was like, oh damn, I have a hundred followers, and I'm like, fuck it. I've always wanted to try some shit, and I just started posting. I just started posting on there little videos. I didn't know what to call it yet. And uh were they memes? Yeah, they were memes, just the correctional officer memes, just little jokes talking shit about the feds, but it wasn't it wasn't going anywhere yet because I had so many let so many few followers.
SPEAKER_02:Were you creating those memes?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. So I'd take like videos like uh funny movies or like something that applies to it, and I'd clip it into something, and then I'd apply it somehow to the prison. Like I always talk about about fucking uh when Dublin, like Dublin, or literally, Dublin is the one where the warden is in prison for fucking inmates. Is he in prison? Yes, uh Ray J. Garcia. He had pictures on his phone of naked inmates, and he said it was for investigation purposes. And then what from what they've what they've said that's came out is those inmates also were saying that if they were threatened to go against him, he would have them put extra charges on him and send them up to a fucking meet to a higher uh uh max prison.
SPEAKER_02:Now, in your humble opinion, bro, because when it comes to the federal prison system and directors or or wardens like that, I'm an outsider. Did do you believe that dude really did shit like that? Because again, I'm an outsider.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, because there's multiple. There was a chaplain there, um, not gonna say who, but a chaplain's assistant had came to Victorville, and at that point, this was like a year after Good Verbal. Yeah, she knew of who I was, and she told me just all that shit. I knew the chaplain at Lomb uh Lompok. Yeah, not Lompolk, I'm sorry, at Dublin, and she knew the motherfucker that did the shit, and it was more than just that one person. So it like for the whole prison to shut down. Oh, it was like some kind of like like like to me, sex trafficking events. It was a scandal, yes, it absolutely was. And so, but the thing is, is a lot of people try to speak good for him because he's such a great guy for so long, and then you got people like me that I'm so bad for an Instagram page, goodbye. So, like it it took him that long to get there. We had another lieutenant, he was he'd been in 17 years. Next thing you know, he got busted for fucking dope for inmates.
SPEAKER_02:Refresh my memory. You resigned in lieu of termination? Yes, I did. Because of your good verbal page? Yes, you gotta be fucking kidding me, bro. And what rank were you? Like regular officer?
SPEAKER_01:Uh so I was uh I was a what do you call it? It's officer senior officer specialist. It's like right below a lieutenant. It's like a sp it's basically like being an E4 in the fucking army.
SPEAKER_02:So on the other side of the coin, you have a warden that was literally fucking female inmates.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, and it and this shit goes around a lot. Like there's a lot of just on the lower level, there is another, there's a captain that's still employed that as a lieutenant, he runs Rear Gate Distro. I know people have seen that Instagram page before. He had gone to court for it because a psychologist was filing on him because he was attacking her and talking shit about her in person on Instagram through this page before it was Rear Gate Distro. That's where it was the best part when I got called by the district attorney because they wanted me to represent them for the inmate. I remember that. Yeah. So it was, they were like, Well, and I told them about what I went through and what do you think that you would do if you were me? And they're like, Well, not to add salt to the wound, but that person that ran that page, we just had his case thrown out. Yeah, had his case thrown out, and that's me doing the same thing after him, and there were a lot of people around him, a lot of wardens that said they loved me as much as they would always talk to me all the time. All they had to do was throw me that bone, and I had something to stand on. But at the same time, I did good verbal to be petty. I'm a petty motherfucker, and I love the shit.
SPEAKER_02:No, I'm tracking, bro, and it's humorous because we guys like us that have been exposed to trauma, humor plays a massive massive role in like recovery and therapy. Yes, I can laugh at myself.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I don't take shit on on people think that social media is like real opinions. Like, right, if you talk shit, I'm gonna repost it. Like, thank you. You just you did a smooth talking shit about me, I'll repost it. Who wants to get famous? Like, we'll get famous together. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, it's my narrative. Like, I've been doing this forever. And so, like, the the pettiness and aspect of it is I still kept going and still kept going until the very till the very end. And then they asked me to take the page down like they were gonna help me. And I did, because I for three months after that, I'm like, fine, I will. Who was gonna help you? The R SIA. R SIA.
SPEAKER_02:What does that stand for? What are the investigative people?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, it's the it's internal affairs. So, and that's for the the the the prison. So he was using me as like his call to fame, and I'm not really saying it like fame, it's more like look who I busted. So he had people around that a lot of people trust that were sending him personal shit for me, screenshots and then confirming who I was to him.
SPEAKER_02:Are you surprised to hear right now as we sit here that CDCR is sending special agents into my my phone records and T-Mobile and fucking I'm not, it's Gustavo shit.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And it didn't it then now you got it on a federal level. So state, you know, like it's easy to control the state, but when you got the whole federal bureau of prisons being controlled by that.
SPEAKER_02:Oh yeah, that's feds, bro. So fuck, homie. You went heads up against the feds, and I went up against the state, bro.
SPEAKER_01:And and what's this is the crazy part. So Colette Peters, the the director of prisons, is appointed by the president. Correct. So Biden may or may not know who the fuck I am, but regardless of the fact she does. Right. So then I don't know how far it got because they chart they are trying to change the social media policy. She was aware of you? Absolutely. I wrote her on LinkedIn. She finally, uh, when I added her, she finally uh read my message, but that's all she did was read it. So at the very least, she's hi Collette, it's me again. But the the the funny thing about it is just like the I don't know what reach went out there because I know that I was reposting stuff from for I was there was stuff that they were trying to pass to Congress for certain prisons and asking me to repost. I don't know how much people are looking. I may have fun. They're looking, bro. They're looking.
SPEAKER_02:Even when you don't think they're looking, they're looking.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's why I love analytics.
SPEAKER_02:I can give you an example of the Menendez brothers getting denied parole recently, and you know what they brought up a lot? That they continuously get caught with cell phones inside a prison. Of course. And that's something that I spoke on vocally on the social media.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it's just like that post that uh that that I made about uh mayor of Kingstown when they have like a riot, right? And then after they're like, Oh, so what do you think we should do? And like they're fucking inmates, like we need to tell them what we're supposed to do. Like, well, you know what? We're gonna call the Federal Bureau of Prisons and see what they want. They're like, no, they're just politicians. And I hear that I'm like, what the fuck? Who told them that? How do they know? And then uh and then it's just politicians. And then he goes, So what? Do you think what their way is doing is wrong? He's like, no, all they're gonna do is sit the heads of each car at the table and ask them what they would like for the prison to run better. Well, why wouldn't that work? And the guy goes, because they're fucking convicts. That actually came out of the mayor of Kingstown?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, like that scene came out of mayor of Kingston. And it said Federal Bureau of Prisons. Because I I've seen it, I just don't remember that, but it makes total sense.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I I watched that, I'm like, hey, whoever that director is, like, hey, motherfucker, I got some stories if you want some. You know, we can write a whole no one. We're mayor, mayor of fucking Victorville. Did you clip it and make a meme out of it? Yes, I did. I posted on my Instagram. Just just the how I just how spot on it is. Right. Like anyone that's been in BOP, but it also resonates with state. You know, like it does because it's all the same shit. It is, it's happening in every state. Yes. The difference with you guys, though, is you guys get in shape at least through the academy and then get fat. BOP is like, hey man, can you breathe? Can you walk from here to that fucking table right there? We got you. Don't even worry about the fitness part. As long as you pass the basic as fuck that if you fail this, you don't belong doing this job. Written test. Right. Their academy is a joke. Whose academy? The feds? The feds.
SPEAKER_02:Because I thought they didn't have an academy.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's no, we don't. What is it? It's a three-week crash course. Well, for what you first they call it IF. They're like, hey guys, this is your first week. Don't talk to inmates like this. Make sure you do that and go get them, and then you start working there. After a week. Or maybe it's two weeks. I can't remember that much. Is it two?
SPEAKER_02:It's two weeks. Thank you. Do you get established this invest?
SPEAKER_01:Yes. You do. You you do. You do get it, you get a stabished invest, but when I first started, the mediums didn't get one. But for the pen, we all did get that. We all got vests.
SPEAKER_02:Did you see the video recently of the MS-13 inmates that stabbed the officers? No, I didn't. I need to see that. Like Virginia or somewhere over there, Indiana, somewhere over there. Wow, no, I did not. Yeah, it was like probably, I don't know. They didn't have their vests, or I don't know. It was six or seven of them on like three guards, three COs.
SPEAKER_01:There's been a lot of, I've been seeing a lot of posts lately of a lot of officers passing away in BOP and all the ones I've been reposting, like rest in peace. If there's anything that I can do or anyone can do, like whatever, like I just want to help. I also don't want to make it like it's about me. Right. That's kind of why I'm doing this. Right. So I just been seeing it a lot. And I shout out to I knew one, Hollywood, uh Adams. I went to Glencoe with him. I know he's Big Sandy, so shout out to Big Sandy. I he used to say that he was me if he was uh if I was from Kentucky, because they called him Hollywood because he was like a California, Kentuckian, you know. Shout out to him. That's I know him personally. The other guys, I don't know. I just had to throw that in there. But yeah, just sorry, not to throw it off the track.
SPEAKER_02:No, it's cool. I get it. We also share a mutual friend, Luga. Yes, Wagner.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so when I saw your documentary, yeah, I saw the shit, and I and I saw him, I'm like, wait a minute, is that fucking Wagner? And I just Wagner, dude. And I just and I remember hitting you up, and I said that, and you said Luga Spade. Right. And I was trying to, I kept saying, Is it Luga? I couldn't remember the last part.
SPEAKER_02:Luga.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Yeah, white Luga Spade. Yeah, he he was, man, I always worried about him because all he did was music when he wasn't in uniform and he was just always in his barracks room, always on the barracks.
SPEAKER_02:I want to say he was from Camden, New Jersey, I think.
SPEAKER_01:No, he well, he was a Philly fan. So he was an Eagles. No, he knows Pittsburgh. It was one of those teams, either Pittsburgh or a Philly fan. No, it was the he was a Steelers, so I think he was around from Pittsburgh. It's been a long time. That's how you know we've been that's how you know you're getting old. Shit, I can't even remember.
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SPEAKER_01:Uh Donald Trump elected office, and uh apparently when he got elected, she said that she resigned, but it was because all her access was taken away the day he got elected. So Trump basically forced her out.
SPEAKER_02:And no better person than to pick her up than the CDCR.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yes, because they need more, uh they need more land uh architects for uh the new fucking pickleball courts that they're gonna install, you know? She's gonna give it a whole new vibe, little maybe throw some pink backsplashes.
SPEAKER_02:So for a brand new correctional officer in the California Department of Corrections and the rehabilitation, right? They have a limited scope of what they see. They just see the inmate in front of them, that's it, the housing unit. You have a grand view of Colette Peters, you knew who she was in the feds, and is now overseeing CDCR. What does that mean to these youngsters?
SPEAKER_01:For for the Bureau, it meant a lot of good people were forced out and fired. And that's still going on now because they they got rid of the unions, for one. There's no more, there's no more centralized union stuff to where officials can file for you anymore. Like they're trying to make it to where they don't have a say in the feds. So that was already set in a motion. It wasn't like it, it was like Trump was the next one to do it. Like, all this was part of the plan. It's just the the there's still I I heard of some officer that uh called out an uh one of the ADs or uh on Facebook, and three weeks later he was fired, and he was about I think three months to 20 years, so he was close to retiring, and they fired him like that. So that's the shit that set in with Colette Peters. All she cares about is programming, all she cares about is the Norway model, all she cares about is the business aspect of making something profitable. And for California, closing a prison is profitable. For California, making inmates all these programs is profitable because now they get investments, now they get the outside okay and happy and all this shit, but they're ignoring all the bad parts of what's really going on. It's all about public, it's all about a persona, your picture, it's business 101. You think these people like Colette Peters actually give a fuck about inmates? Hell no, they don't. No, no, they don't. They're just statistics that they're trying to improve on. Like recidivism is just a fancy word to say we improved. Like 2% are better this year. We did our job. Listen, motherfucker, I'm the same way that I have always been, and I have gotten more respect from inmates that all these people want to suck dick for or kiss ass to make them feel better. And I got some real motherfuckers that are hitting me up saying that they were I was a solid CEO. And they and these are fucking, these guys were 15 years in a penitentiary. They've had fucking, they've stabbed people, they've done shit. You know what I'm saying? And I was the one that they respected. That and Nico is the one that they respected. Like people like you, that's what they respected because it's not about being tough, it's just being who the fuck you are. In any situation, just be who the fuck you are. If you're quiet and reserved, be quiet and reserved. If you're fucking, if you're if you are a talkative person, if you're loud or whatever it is, if all you have to do is learn communication. And if you're communication, if you're a speaking of communication, speaking of communication, bro. How'd you do that shit, man?
SPEAKER_02:You hooped you hooped a cell phone before you came in here.
SPEAKER_01:No, but like the it's the communication part. Like if you're always calm and you're always kind of quiet, you know, like it's uh it's more like uh when you get mad or you kind of set it firm, they're like, okay, you know, like my bad. Like I we I kind of stepped out of line.
SPEAKER_02:So right now, the way you led into this next segment and perfect timing and perfect uh energy for the masses, for the audience, for the future CEOs, man. How much hate would do people like me or people like you get from your own peers within the department? A lot.
SPEAKER_01:Unless, unless, unless it's from a different prison. Like if someone that hates me and they go to they transfer and they really hated me, well now they're speaking good about me. Like, oh yeah, that's my fucking boy. Like, but I do have a lot of solid motherfuckers that are doing that, and I appreciate you guys, and I won't say your names, but it's just the it's a lot of quiet hate. One of my friends sent me a group chat of these people talking shit about me, and I and I say, hey man, you think I really give a fuck about that right now? Like they're all saying that in a group chat. They didn't say it to me. Don't bother me with that. Like, I'm on peer-driven mode right now. Don't send me that shit. If you're my friend, right, either check it or just fucking leave it alone. Right. Like that's nothing personal. I got I got none of these motherfuckers around me no more. I see why you're so driven. None of these motherfuckers are around me. And if they're talking, they're doing it in private because they're afraid of getting blasted on Instagram. Right. They're afraid of getting blasted or whatever.
SPEAKER_02:Keyboard warrior mentality. It's weird, it's so fucking weird, bro. It's keyboard warriors.
SPEAKER_01:And people are always gonna hate on someone that's doing something they like. Like, like everyone was making fun of me in my music until all of a sudden it made it made uh all this, it makes a difference. Now it's the dopest thing out of Victorville. Right. You know, so like I'm not, I'm not, I'm just smart enough to know that even my haters can turn into business. You know, like all these motherfuckers can watch, you're paying me. Like like all these motherfuckers that are getting my views up, you're helping me. Kanye West, bro, he's a good example of that. Yes, he is. He's being the crazy. You're wild out from time to time. Billionaire, crazy motherfucker, billionaire, and we're all mad at him for it.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, dude. So at one point in time, the Iraqi people, well, I should reframe that. Well, fuck it. At one point in time, the Iraqi people were our enemy. Yes. Right? The insurgents. Yes. Quote unquote. Yes. Do you to this day still view them as your enemy?
SPEAKER_01:I view them as if someone had invaded my neighborhood. What the fuck would I do? Facts.
SPEAKER_02:That's the only way I can look at it. I'm glad. I'm glad we're on the same mind track. Yeah. Because the next question is gonna be at one point, you worked in a prison where the inmates were literally your fucking enemy, bro. Yes. There's no other way around it. Yes. Do you still hold those same views?
SPEAKER_01:No.
SPEAKER_02:Me neither.
SPEAKER_01:It was business is business. Right. Right. So I there's a lot of inmates that I probably made a big impact on them. Because I the way I'm talking to you, I talk to them. The only difference is it doesn't cross a boundary. Correct. Like, there's no, we're not friends, motherfucker. We're not any of this. It's just business. But if you need something per policy, I got you, man. Yeah, exactly. But we'll talk about all this other shit. You'll hear me cuss all the time. Fuck this, fuck that. What's up, fucker? Like, yeah. Like the same way I talk to my friends. Like, I'm like, what's up, motherfucker? Like, what's up, faggot? Yeah, I said it. I say that shit. It's not like I'm being, it's just me. And then I always say it with a smile.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, like me, when I say with a smile, you know when I'm mad because I'm not saying it with a smile.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's the only difference. So then the inmates, they they they know it was business. There'd be times where when I when I when I deal with the shoe of person, uh inmate and shoe, sometimes they'd run their mouth a lot. I remember one specific one. He kept telling me behind the door that, and I don't give a fuck because nothing happened. I I I I he was behind the door and he said, Hey, you're only talking all this shit because there's a fucking door there. And I was like, Touche, just touche. And I'm like, hey, you're getting kicked out of shoe on Thursday. I'll be the one to uncuff you, and you could do whatever the fuck you want to when it happens. And I said that in front of a bunch of people, including inmates. Right. Sure enough, I'm the one that escorted them. Oh, you did? I took the cuffs off and he turned around. And he said, Hey man, just to let you know that was shoe shit. That was just shoe stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Like I was that was just shoe stuff?
SPEAKER_01:That yeah, that was just in in shoe. Like me, he's like, I'm sorry, I was in my head, nothing. That I'm just trying to get to the comp and enjoy the sun. Even if it was a bitch move or not, I'm like, cool, got you. Have a good one. Right. Never had a problem with them ever again. Right. It was it wasn't an about punking them. It was just like, hey, like I got, and I'm not doing anything and to entice you. I uncuffed you and you had to turn around because you're getting kicked out of shoe. Like you're not in shoe anymore. It's just people interacting.
SPEAKER_02:What you just explained to me, I would say is the gray area, right? Because it's not as simple as black and white. Yes. And I had young cops tell me, hey, teach me the gray area. I was like, I'm never gonna teach you the fucking gray area. No, absolutely not. Right? Because you either know it or you don't. Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And that's and it's you uh when you know that when you know that inmates operate on respect, yeah, it's pretty easy to operate with that and make your point. Like I was told a while ago, actually, someone just wrote to someone on my TikTok comments that an inmate told him that 80% of the inmates need to respect you and 20% fear. So that's basically like what I said about vision, I mean on noise and uh and on signal. Like signal is you're driven in life, like everything you're doing to go straight on, like nothing can distract you. That's signal. Noise is anything else that fucking drives you out of it, brings you out of whatever mission you have on. If you operate at an 80-20, you're 80% fucking signal and you're all business. The 20% keeps you human. So when you operate like that with inmates, sometimes just making one example or having a or just not making an example, like showing that what you're about, like if you get into a use of force or someone calls you out in front of a bunch of fucking people and inmates, and you stand your fucking ground in, you're just letting them know what the fuck is up and it's respect based. And then you can flip it and be like, hey man, what the fuck would you do in my spot? Like if I disrespected you, what'd you think that we would do? He's like, I'd have to get you exactly. What the fuck you want me to be like? You threaten me and me give you a hug? Like, what the fuck you want for me? Like it's I can meet them at any level they want to, and not because I'm looking for the highest. I prefer to be 99% laughter because I'm a jokester motherfucker. 1% is the shit I don't want to do. Is there body worn cameras in the feds? Now I heard they're rolling out pilot programs, but I don't know where yet. Not not anywhere that I've seen.
SPEAKER_02:Because that makes a difference, and not a difference. So I'm gonna think, oh yeah, you guys can't do shady shit on there. It just makes a difference because it's actually good for evidence preservation. Yeah, when you have an inmate assault a cop, it's all on fucking camera. It does. But uh, I think if you know what you're doing and you know how to communicate, articulate, and you know the policy, I think you would be just fine. Like honestly, I think if somebody slapped a camera on you, besides your cussing, yeah, because that's what these stupid asshole administrators get coughs and troubles for.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I think you would be able to survive, bro. I would because this is the way I always say it. Like, people always there's one officer that everyone hated where we worked, and not me. This he's not with there anymore, different agency. All he would do is in any room say, hey, if you guys do anything out of pocket, I'll tell. Right. And everyone's oh, what a bitch. And I'm like, what a bitch. This motherfucker told me what he's about. Correct. I know who he is now. I don't ever have to worry about any when I'm with him. Cool. I'm gonna start reading my policy because I don't know shit like he does. Exactly. You know, I'll be honest, that's the guy type of guy I am, but I know who what he's about. So when you work around that, it's pretty easy to get around anything. Like, well, fuck, they took this away. Okay, we gotta do this now. Well, they took this away, okay. We gotta do this now. The only difference is they're taking too much away. I'm like, fuck this. I can't be myself eventually. Correct. So that's what I don't like. But the but any but in the aspect of like if I was still in, I could navigate.
SPEAKER_02:Let me, I need to ask Geo this fucking question, man. I recently posted a video of a murder of a Northeño gang member. It was a two-on-one stabbing at Salinas Valley State Prison. Want to restomped the knife? Correct. In the eyeball. Yeah. And the gunner. I don't mean to smile. I'm over here smiling and shit. I I've been I've been laughing at a lot of dead shit lately. Not, you know, but it's like fucking you know what I mean. It's just like an adrenaline. Like I see it, I'm like, damn. Yeah, yeah. Not because I think it's funny, it's like a nervous shit. Thank you. Thank you for explaining that. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying. Um, but the gunner did not utilize the mini 14, which is well within the deadly force policy. Yes. Um what is your opinion on correctional officers that simply do not use force and or deadly force because they're afraid they're gonna get in trouble?
SPEAKER_01:That will lead to officers getting happening to them too. Because when you're afraid, if you have to, if you're second guessing anything you're doing in there, you shouldn't fucking be there. In a situation like that, that that's where the asshole part of me comes in. Like, if if someone's not built to be there, I am the one that says it. I'm not punking them out. But hey man, if you can't deal with the shit here, if it's too much for you, you need to fucking leave. Like it has it's nothing against you. It's just you don't belong in this shit. Like, get out. And that right there, yeah, get out. Like, like, because you're you're only making it worse for the people that are trying to do the job. If you're afraid worse for everybody, if you're afraid, then get the get the fuck out. And and then honestly, especially something in policy that shh shit, why the fuck not? Like you're supposed to do it. Like, like why why would you not? What's the meaning? Why would it be?
SPEAKER_02:And it's it's not so much being an inmate lover, right? But it's it's like, hey, we have a job. Preservation of life. Preservation of life. Yeah, it's that life.
SPEAKER_01:What does preservation of life mean to you? Keeping anybody the fuck alive. A preservation of life. Like, that's it's not this or that. I get that everyone wants to be like, no, fuck them. It's not about that. Those are the dudes that get jumped all the time. Guess what? I never got assaulted like that, and I've run my mouth the most.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:I've never had someone fucking lay me out, knock me out, or whatever. I've been in a lot of fights, I've gotten hit, like it's hurt, no shit. But it was never a moment that I was ever out of pocket for it. Correct. It was all what I was supposed to fucking do, but it's reaction. So if if if someone flinches at you, that's the reaction. So it's like it's more like if you're not built for to deal with that, you're gonna get hurt a lot.
SPEAKER_02:Um, let me give you an example, right? You can play out this example in your head, and then I'm gonna ask you a question. An inmate coming out of adseg, his cell, he's supposed to be in handcuffs walking out backwards. Right? When that cell door opens, he's supposed to be walking out backwards. I've seen numerous times where the inmate will spin around and the seal will jump back. Isn't it a good opportunity to utilize that momentum and expect it and to slam him to the floor?
SPEAKER_01:And absolutely, and that's literally what they say the least amount of force. Like that's you're taking him to the ground. That's that's pretty fucking easy. Like, if he if he does that, uh we would do that on a pat down, man. Like if you're patting someone down and they fucking turn around on you, just hey man, like that's a quick jolt reaction. You don't know what the fuck that is. Expect to get dumped.
SPEAKER_02:Now, are you able to articulate in a written report why you utilize physical force? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:The inmate turned to me in an aggressive manner, and to protect myself, I did whatever I needed to subdue the inmate on the ground with the least amount of force necessary. Pretty fucking simple. I haven't done that in a while, and I said that shit like I did it in my sleep. You're right, bro.
SPEAKER_02:It's been a few years and you've not.
SPEAKER_01:And guess what? It all happened on camera, so it's not like I have this written. Oh, I know what to say. No, I just know how to wrote what the fuck I did. Like that's it's pretty fucking easy. And then guess what? When you write what you did and you did it right, there's no problems.
SPEAKER_02:Now, from the written report to an OIA investigation, internal affairs, would you be able to clearly articulate why you did what you did to a special agent? Absolutely.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, fuck. Like I can't, I I wish I can find the uh the I had one of the I had a court hearing, but it was on the computer. Oh, the deposition, there you go. Okay, because uh someone was trying to say that my page was racist, which is stupid, right?
SPEAKER_02:Hey bro, I got called racist yesterday. Yeah, they said I had an anti-black tone.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and what's even better is the attorney for this person that said that because they were trying to use my page to fucking make the bureau say how racist it is. Like my page, and and then like the guy goes at one point he asked, Do you have any swastikas anywhere on you? Wait, that's what they asked. I swear to God, it's in my court deposition, and I and I'm like this. I felt like I could be an attorney after this shit. I look at my arms and I'm like, You think I'd be here if I did? Like, like, this is I don't I didn't answer anything, I didn't answer it like, no, I don't, sir. Would you like I'm like, Yeah, you think I would be here if I did? Right. And then he goes, Well, that's not the question. And I'm like, no. And then he showed me the picture of where it's the DC and the chomo, the one I told you about. And he was like, So what do you see here? And I'm like, no, I already know where you're going with this. What do you see here? And he goes, Well, I see this. And I'm like, well, whoever told you that is clearly don't know what they're talking about and don't know this job because this is really what it is. Right. So you did bad as an attorney. You're making me feel like I could be one. And then they they actually had a VOP appointed attorney. They called they they wanted a break, and they're going, Hey man, just to let you know, they're actually not going after you for your page right now. And this, they're going after the bureau. So I get that they're being mad, but chill. Right. So then I had to go back a second time, and the the uh the attorney was told that he can only ask me a certain set of questions, a specific set. And he goes, Do you know anyone in education? And I'm like, I've been here long enough. Yes, I do. And he goes, Can you tell me any of their names? And I said, I told you before, I'm only saying my own name. Right. And then he goes, You know, I could ask this other person, right? The person that said I was racist, then I'm like, then why are you asking me?
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And then it was all right, courts adjourned. Bam, that was it. Like that wasn't so that felt to me like fuck. I wanted to be an attorney. When I know, when I know what I'm steadfast in and something that I did, and I know I'm in the right, there's no one that can tell me anything different ever. Because if I'm right, I'm right. If I'm wrong, I'll admit when I'm wrong.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that's pretty easy, huh?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's it's that simple. When I fuck up, I'm like, hey, my bad I fucked up. Right. Like that's what I'm teaching my kids. Right. Like that I'm teaching, yeah, I fucked up. Your dad's here because I fucked up.
SPEAKER_02:Yes. Accountability. So, and again, bro, I'm all about giving freaking gems to these youngsters, man, just so they can survive and stay alive. If they had to err on the side of caution of staying alive or afraid of getting violated, which side of the scale should they err on?
SPEAKER_01:You would need uh it's always about survival. To me, it's about being alive. If you're always worried about being alive, the all the victim stuff and all that stuff, if you're always on alert and everyone's having their job, you'll be fine because when it's your life, you only have it once.
SPEAKER_02:Can you can you differentiate what the difference between like being scared, shitless of trying to survive and just being cool, calm, and observant?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's just like uh anywhere you go, like if like I feel like I've been looking around this whole room the whole time for no reason. I I've been in here before, right? But I'm like, damn, I didn't know those were in there last time. I didn't see that room. I didn't even realize there was that room. Where the I must have been nervous as fuck last time. But it's just it's just it all you're doing is watching. Like if you know that someone might, you could tell energy, like me. When someone has a dark energy when they walk in, I already can feel them. Oh my god. I'm like, all right, I just because I can feel it. I'm gonna watch. I'm just gonna see what's up, it's observing.
SPEAKER_02:Dark energy. What are some telltale signs that the inmates all bad and it's probably gonna fuck you up or gonna fuck some shit up?
SPEAKER_01:The way that when you have that face that you're so like you're so focused on whatever it is, but it's like a focused hate, you can like see it in their eyes. You can see the way that they're standing, you can like a gaze. It's yes, and it's it's almost demonic in a way when you really look at it, to be honest. It's just you can feel that they're up to no good. And that translates to outside. I mean, like for chomos, I could see a chomo a mile away. Oh, dude, I think I've seen a few recently. You know, like I just from a mile away, I'm like, if that guy ever talks to me, don't make me fucking pull up Megan's law.
SPEAKER_02:As a matter of fact, the guy that's investigating me, the OIA special agent, yeah, he kind of gave me those vibes, bro. Oh fuck. We're looking at you, Ferguson. That's that's what I mean. I mean, you can tell by looking at a picture, bro. Oh, this mother somebody better check browsing his.
SPEAKER_01:If you ever need to know, Jared the subway guy is the perfect fucking example of one. And the feds are trying to rehabilitate him. They have a chomo program. You think that guy's gonna get better? Like, how how how can you justify him coming out and being better?
SPEAKER_02:You cannot.
SPEAKER_01:That that's what that's the only that is the unforgivable crime that you can never come back from.
SPEAKER_02:It working in a prison, dude, with your experience, we talked about bad energy. What are telltale signs like in the air or in the atmosphere or the behavior of inmates that something's about to go self?
SPEAKER_01:The quietness. The quietness when you walk, like if you walk into a unit, it's quiet more than normal because usually they're always fucking loud. There's sports going on, people are talking cell to cell, but it's like a quiet feeling. And then, like, when you walk in, like there's certain people that'll look at you and they walk to their cells. They walk to their cells, they start bouncing around, you're looking around, and then all of a sudden you kind of start seeing up in the corner sometimes where all of a sudden they disperse, there's a good chance there could be something going on over there. Or when you start seeing all the races really being segregated inside. Because even though they have their own TVs, sometimes they're all interacting. But when it's on business, when they're on some fuck you type shit, everyone's really with their own.
SPEAKER_02:Grouping. We could get grouping in our state. Yes, grouping, yes.
SPEAKER_01:And then when and then when we take when they go to yard, if not that many people come out, or too many people come out. You can look at it both ways. If not that many people come out, there might be something going on in the unit, or if a bunch of people come out, there might be some shit that needs to be handled for the yard. So, like if there's so much that goes into it. It's just if you're always looking at ways that something could happen or some intentions, this guy's moving different. Why is he kind of holding his hand by his pants? Certainly, that might be a knife. Facts, like something. Why is his pants baggy? There's if you're always thinking like that, you don't have to be like, oh shit, look at that. No, I could be talking to you right and looking at this guy talking about the same story right now. Easily, but I can be looking exactly what he's doing. I don't like the way he's fidgeting. I see my boy over there without even really knowing. Like I just see him on the side. So if you're just always constantly focused on your surroundings, it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_02:Now, were you reactive or proactive? Would you wait till it kicked off till you started making decisions, or were you already planning? Reactive.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's why I proactive. Oh, proactive. I'm sorry. I was I'm sorry, I'm I'm stupid on that. I I was gonna say bad about reactive, so I'm very proactive. And the reason the reason why is the way the bet the we the reason the way the feds work is they had to die, someone had to die to get Vest. You know, the USP they used to work in the units, you're having you're having all these fucking these the USP is the high max inmates, you know. That's like your level four yards. And if you're there by yourself, like it's a whole different feeling when you're in that because you need to have a little bit, especially in a in a high max environment, you feel the tension, you feel the rage and anger in that motherfucker. And when you're by yourself, just having one extra person is there to help you. Someone had to die for that, you know, and then the mediums, they weren't having vests for a long time. You only had to wear it at the pen. And but someone had to die for to make it a policy where they always have to wear it. We just barely started getting the pilot baton programs, maybe I think it was two years ago. I forget when I got it, because I was part of it for maybe two months, where our prison just barely got it, just so they can see how it works. Batons? Batons, expandable batons, expandable batons. We had them we had them for our teams when you go into cell extractions, but we weren't carrying them on us. I didn't know that. Yeah, we just had when I got in, oh, and for spray, officers had to die for spray because that used to not be a standard either. So then, like, we the all we had was spray, and then you have your radio, and that's what I talked about in my song. Like, right, all we have is our fucking keys and iron. Yeah, yeah, you know, like that exact point. So the state, like fuck, like I wish that I went state, but I wasn't I was in the feds, and it just adds to my military time. That's what I was thinking of. Right. And and then fuck, I wish I had a taser. You know, I know not everyone does, but I see a lot of these state prisons, and I'm like, dude, if we had a taser.
SPEAKER_02:There's no in the state of California, they don't have tasers.
SPEAKER_01:So it's it's but I see it in others. I don't know if it's county because a lot of people have been writing me saying they have tasers wherever they're at.
SPEAKER_02:Bro, I see the tasers fail so much on those police shooting videos that I would not even use that motherfucker.
SPEAKER_01:But it's for me, I don't I think they're stupid, but it's just deterrence, right? So sometimes inmates they only know or people only see if they see a taser, that could have been the worst experience for them. Like, I'm not saying to have it in there, but I'm just opening up the discussion of like what's more that you can give to be a bigger deterrent. More tools, yes, more tools to make it like you know what?
SPEAKER_02:Well, bro, they have mini 14s in the control bowls that they don't even use. Yeah, you guys do. What other fucking tool do you need?
SPEAKER_01:You guys do. You have a 223. Yeah. But I mean, like in our tower, we got we got our rifles, but it's just the tower.
SPEAKER_02:Now can you please clarify? Because I know you know me. I'm not encouraging correction officers to go around and kill inmates.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely not. Like that right there, that is this. You need to, they need to know that you have the ability. They need to know that at any time if they do what they're not supposed to, it clearly says that they'll get fucking shot. You know, like it's a good deterrent, dude. Do stupid shit, you'll get dropped. Like, like, if you're gonna take someone's life, cool, you're getting shot. Like, it's that fucking simple. There should be no fear in it. It's not like, well, were they any threat to anyone else? Yes, they were a threat to the motherfucker, they're stabbing. Right. Like, if they're currently stabbing him, he's a fucking threat. It's pretty simple. And then when you got two of them, goddamn. Even better. Fuck. It's like, let me get another round, let me get another clip. Dude, fuck. But that the but I get completely that that shit is just more. I think of I think of just deterrence. Like, but it the reason why deterrence aren't working because they take away the power behind the deterrence.
SPEAKER_02:Now you know inmates. Yes. Do inmates become more emboldened if they don't feel deterrent to do something?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, that's why the body cams are kind of tricky at the same time, because everyone knows when you see those videos on fucking YouTube or they're I'm not going anywhere. First Amendment, right? Yeah, I'm not dish blah blah blah blah. And I'm like, okay, man. Yeah. If there was no camera there, how would you fucking talk? Right. You know, like shut up, like stop all that fucking shit. And but that's where it takes a mentality to be stronger than that because you're like, fuck, like, I this motherfucker is like, you know, like and you have the body cam, but that takes away the power. Right. Right. So there's certain deterrents that aren't really as great as they try to make it seem like. But when the inmates know that these deterrents are just for show, they don't really give a shit because, like, well, the officers are scared of use batons here.
SPEAKER_02:You know, that's what it was for us. Now, if I were a civilian and ask you, like, well, what can't you do with a body camera that you can do without?
SPEAKER_01:Well, in prison, there's fucking cameras everywhere. Like, like, goddamn. That the when it comes to the body cam part, it's when you meet people, you can meet someone on their level. Like, if someone, if someone cusses at me, that makes it okay. I can cuss back. If I cuss at someone first and they cuss to me, then that means that I I can't get mad at them. I can't be like if I cuss at an inmate and I'm like, well, yeah, you can't talk like that to me. But at the same time, sometimes you're able to relate to them on a different level. If they are like, you can't fucking do that. Yes, I can, motherfucker. And then once you kind of talk and like then you bring them back down to a level, there's like certain ways of talking on their levels that's taken away from the camera. Because when you have the camera there, you have to be so fucking professional that this motherfucker's saying everything that he's supposed to, saying everything he can because he can, but you know that all you need to do is really you can correct it, but you can't because there's a body cam. And I'm not talking physical. If you could speak the way that you need to, you can correct that without even having to be physical, and that's what the body cam takes out of it.
SPEAKER_02:You make me you make me laugh because I remember about this, bro. And I was a lieutenant right before I quit. Uh there was a OG CO, man, solid motherfucker. And you hear an inmate talking shit to him in the body one camera, and you hear the CO go, central control, be advised. Bro, you could tell, bro.
SPEAKER_01:I was like, bro, you could hear it in that fucking uh like like that that shit is like exactly. It's like, man, like you know what you're doing right now. It's just like it's like the opposite side when you have the officers that only talk shit to inmates when they're locked up. Right, right. Like they're fucking mad. Like I've seen dudes knee, I so I saw dudes so mad at an inmate behind the door that I've seen them knee the door. Like, fuck. Like, like, what the fuck did you get out of that, you dumb fuck?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But like, yeah, it's the you know, they know that what they're doing is only because that's theirs. So that sigh, I feel that shit too. It's like, ugh, like I completely get that.
SPEAKER_02:Give me a description on guys that are real ones, as opposed to cell warriors, keyboard warriors. From your experience being in the military in combat and working in a federal prison system, what what have you noticed about real motherfuckers that will act?
SPEAKER_01:Real ones, if they have a problem with you, it's on site. But it's more like they're more calculated about it. Like they're not doing it like I had an officer yell at me one time because I called, I made some funny shit about uh uh his department on my good verbal page, and he came into the office storm. If anyone has a fucking problem with me, yelling all this shit. And I'm like, dude, there's two lieutenants in here, there's a captain there, I'm here. Shut the fuck up. Like that, that that's not real shit. That's fake tough. That that's like like when someone talks shit at the lobby. Like, like I've had it where a guy was yelling at me at the lobby and a lieutenant's there. And I'm like, come on, dude. You know, I know you, I know who you really are in real life. Like, shut the fuck up, but you're doing it because he's there, like you're talking to the wrong one. Right. But at the same time, it's just like the the real ones, they'll check you on the side, or they'll have a man-to-man talk with you, or like whatever it is. Like, I've had some real OGs that I worked with COs that when they saw that I did something out of pocket, or I had they fucking chewed me out the way I'm supposed to, and I took it the way I'm supposed to. The fake ones tell everyone else that hey, watch out for him, he'll get you caught up. Like this is blah, blah, blah. And you see that with inmates too, the way they carry themselves. Right. They they they'll yell when there's a lot of administration around. They'll talk all this shit, call you whatever names they want to because they have a bunch of people around them, but they change when the narrative's flipped, when it's just you and them. So that's how you see on the inmate side. The real ones, it's just like you'll see a lot of times they're really quiet about whatever it is. Quiet. They kind of give you like this look, like, okay, motherfucker, like I'm gonna be. It's kind of eerie. Yeah. And when they do do that, like you kind of see a difference in their eyes. Like when they when you see that they're on that level, it just goes straight black. Their eyes are black. Like they're just like, okay. Right. Yeah. And then that's where a lot of rookies don't understand. Because you'd see that's where real officers come in and help. Because sometimes they get into it with these guys not knowing who the fuck these guys really are.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly, bro. That is this is what I wanted you to like piggyback off of. It's like, dude, for a young CEO, I just want them to start recognizing the signs of when you're about to get fucked up, bro. Because it just seems like they're missing the signs completely.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, because everyone, and a lot of it's like like not educating yourselves. Like that the you have to understand, at least on the West Coast, gang politics have been controlling the prison system for so long. Whether, whether we want to admit it or not, they're always gonna roll with their own. It's so set in stone. Right. We have to manage it, that's just the way it is. But when you when you really look at it, the these motherfuckers actually make business decisions not to hurt you sometimes when you're fucking like if they stab this dude right now, that fucks up their dope game that would that SIS doesn't know about, you know? Right. That the that internal affairs doesn't know about. So it's all about business shit. So then when they really conduct themselves, a lot of times they know when someone's a rookie and they'll tell like other officers, like, hey man, like, can you talk to this guy? Because the way he's out of pocket is-I've seen it. It's not like where they go up, hey, this motherfucker disrespect. If I ever saw an inmate complain about another officer to the wardens in front of me, I would fucking stop that shit.
SPEAKER_02:I'm glad that we brought this up in public because I don't even think that these COs that are making mistakes understand that inmates do come up to people like us and say, Hey, can you talk to that dude? Yes. Can you talk to that dude? Because you know, and it's not that we're believing the inmate, it's actually a consensus that we've already seen ourselves.
SPEAKER_01:There was one specific time where this uh these two white boys were written up for uh insolence, and like insolence is a funny that's so fucking petty, man.
SPEAKER_02:What is insolence?
SPEAKER_01:Insolence is like he uh cussed at the CEO, but the CO cussed at him first, so it was kind of like a petty yeah, insolence is like the petty shots, like, oh, he said, fuck you, Martini. Insolence, you know, like just a stupid little flag. Can I challenge the play? Like, that's what it is. And the two inmates, everybody knew on the yard, like everyone knew how they operate, and it's like I'm pretty fucking sure. I it's not, it's not, it's not like I wasn't taking the side of them. But I was like, you know what? I took the inmates aside and I'm like, listen, man, like when we were in the lieutenant's office, and I'm like, sometimes you have to realize that some guys you just can't talk to like that. And you may have been in the right, you may have been the wrong. I'm not taking any fucking side because regardless, he's the officer, so I'm taking his side. Correct. But what you need to do and start focusing on when you really think about it, is it really worth it to get an insolent shot? And I start laughing, like, was that worth it? They're like, no. And then they're like, they're right. They come back to apologize to him, and the first thing he says is, I don't know why you guys had had to be such a bitch about it after they apologize, you know? Dang, and that that is such a little petty thing. And I'm like, I look at him, I'll say, man, just go inside. I got this now, you know. Right. And then I tell him, I'm not gonna say how far I go into it because that was just for me and him. Right, right, right. But I but I instructed, I'm like, listen, man, if you just knew who this guy was, like, he's not one of the ones where you have to ask case managers about his case, his case is online. Okay, like you could just go look, like just start looking up what the fuck you really have in here. Like it's I'm not saying being a bitch. Stand on business when businesses need to be stood on, but don't create shit that doesn't need to be an issue. So, like, shit like that, like it was already squashed. Like you won. Like it made it. The inmates came and apologized to you, even though you may have been in the wrong. You won and you still fuck that up. So sometimes that little bit of respect goes a long goddamn way, and you can fuck it up that quick. Facts, bro. Yeah, I forgot about that story. That was actually a perfect one to use for this, too. Nah, dude, everything we've been hitting on all fucking cylinders. This is fucking dope. Like, I'm I'm better than last time. Last time I'm like, I'm looking around.
SPEAKER_02:It was like you were a virgin. Now you're like a whore, bro. Give me more. Where's the mic at?
SPEAKER_01:So what's next for you, dude? I'm gonna start a podcast. I already bought my uh I bought a I'm gonna try it myself. I have a uh I've got a computer, uh, like a fucking uh desktop. I'm gonna set it up. I'm gonna start doing it eventually, but I'm gonna I'm still gaining more momentum trying to see where I'm going because I'm at a level right now that I don't know how far this goes. Like I don't know, because I do know that I can create a lot more change. So I'm not gonna be the same way I was in Good Verbal where I'm just fucking attacking. I don't hear what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02:You know, like it's more like more educational.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. And I can this is the same way you do it. I'm still gonna talk the way I fucking do. I'm still gonna be myself, but it's gonna be it's gonna be my shit. No one, no, no negative. I'll even have fucking ex-inmates that I fucking did that that even if they want to be on my fucking show that I know, I don't give a fuck. I'm a civilian now. Like it doesn't like people people think that I'm so bad, like, or like, oh, that you can't do that, motherfucker. I don't give a fuck. I'm standing on business everywhere I'm at. My name's Martini. I worked at USP Victorville. Inmates know who the fuck I am, so do staff. I'm not afraid of that. Right. And I'm not trying to say like I'm tough or anything, I'm just so great about being real that I'll take whatever comes with I for for I will take whatever repercussions come with being myself.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, whatever that comes out of it. The price of freedom is awesome, bro. Nobody can tell you who you can talk to or what you can do, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_01:And then it's gonna it'll shed a light on the fact that these are the people that inmates say that we can't be like, I mean the the higher-ups say we can't be like that with, but tell me why this motherfucker respects us more than they do the guy playing ping pong with them. Facts.
SPEAKER_02:You know, like that's the only way I can look at it. It's just the truth, man. It's just like judging people like on the base of their own character.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yes, and then uh my boy fucking Nico, I keep saying it, like I know it's you want to say your shit, but it once he tells his story, I just need motherfuckers to know that this is my boy. Like that if people like me, then you have to fucking fall in line with that. If you don't, don't fuck get off the fucking train. Because I have I have I've had some really solid people in my life, including you. Like I've like I ride for mine and I'll always stand by whoever the fuck I have in my side. It's always like that. It's just that that's for him. That's for you. Love you, man.
SPEAKER_02:Hell yeah, bro. Do you want to plug in your uh social media?
SPEAKER_01:Yes, I am uh Geo the Legend 89 on all of them, just because that's easy. Like, and then and then you can look up good verbal too, and it's attached to it for the SEO analytics, whatever you call that shit. Nah, dude. Well, I'm glad you came back for round two, bro.
SPEAKER_02:I'm glad you had me here. I'm ready for the next one, man. Fuck, dude. I don't even think we took a breath, bro, a break. It was just non-stop. Yeah, this was one take. No, it's fucking, it's all always one take, bro.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's fucking, it's just man, but uh raw dogging it, homie. Yeah, so we can keep going into more like the next time I come in. Because like there, there's a lot of shit that's being violated national policy-wise when it comes to execs. Facts. But I need to create like more. Like I need to, I have I'm kind of getting an agenda written together. Like I already showed you a little bit. Yeah, there's just more that I want to get into it, but it's better like in segments. And with you, this is the I like this. This is fucking perfect. So freestyling, bro. Hell yeah, hell yeah. Well, thanks again, dude. Always.
SPEAKER_02:Glad you came, dude.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, thank you for having me here, man. This is your platform, so you're doing this for me. I I'll always be grateful for that.
SPEAKER_02:Fuck yeah, bro. Well, there you guys have it, folks. Another banger. We're gonna keep bringing you that content. If you like what you saw, make sure you hit that subscribe button. Love you. Keep pushing forward.
SPEAKER_00:Honey X line.
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