HECTOR BRAVO EXPOSES WHAT’S REALLY HAPPENING INSIDE CIW | Officers Collapsing, Silence From Leadership”

We confront how SB 132, collapsing accountability, and politicized leadership have eroded safety in California’s women’s prisons. We map concrete fixes: restore real classifications, rebuild discipline, fix toxic water, and protect people who speak up.

• SB 132’s impact on women’s safety and housing
• Misclassification, overrides, and lost security structure
• Drugs, Suboxone incentives, and failed harm reduction
• Retaliation against grievances and parole consequences
• The CCWF riot as a leadership and planning failure
• Toxic water at Chowchilla and health neglect
• Budgets, unions, NGOs, and perverse incentives
• Rebuilding consequences, searches, and drug testing
• Elder parole, rehabilitation, and PTSD in custody
• Training gaps, acting roles, and culture drift
• Practical steps to restore fairness and order

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Transcript

Setting The Record Straight

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Well hi. Hi.

SPEAKER_05 0:02

What up, Amy? What's good?

SPEAKER_03 0:04

So we're switching things up today. Uh I came all the way down here so that we can have some transparency and some honesty and uh get down to some questions that the female population has for you. And um, you made this happen in about five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Hector Bravo on him.

SPEAKER_05 0:24

Chaos is now in session. Let's do it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

It's pretty incredible. I told you something on what was that Monday?

SPEAKER_05 0:35

Yeah, so to give a little background, uh Amy hit me up. We we met like what three years ago? Same mission, same uh exposing the California Department of Correction, the rehabilitation for what it actually is to try to make it better. And up until recently, she what is it called, correlates, corresponds with female inmates, current female inmates, like, hey, some of these ladies have a concern that you might become the secretary of CCR if Chad Bianco becomes governor. And I'm like, well, let's do it. Let's do a podcast. We'll talk about whatever questions they have. I'm transparent, dude. I ain't got nothing to hide. Let's shoot it.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

I can't. I I mean I was really taken aback when there were you know concerns because I can't really think of anybody who would be a more appropriate person to be in the position.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

Not that I'm comparing myself to Jesus, but there was a lot of people that were opposed to Jesus Christ himself back in the day. So nothing surprises me.

SPEAKER_03 1:32

But this I I was I was bothered because you're you are a Christian, you're a dad, you're you're somebody that I would take leadership from and you know with full confidence. So some of the questions were you know related to uh uh pol politics. Politics people are um convinced that conservatives hate hate prisoners. And and I've worked the last five years to really try and make connections and break down walls and and help humanize the incarcerated population. So for them to come at me with this, I was I was disappointed. I was it hurt my ego, but I mean, what are we gonna do? But continue to tell the truth and try and figure out what they need to know.

SPEAKER_05 2:16

But I'm a realist, so like when you said that right now, that uh some of them believe that conservatives are tied to like anti-inmates, anti-this, right? As like, yeah, I remember when I was a young kid too, and they told me the Republicans hated Mexicans. That's a true story. When I was in sixth grade, sixth grade, you know, that's because it takes education, it takes experience, it takes knowledge, it takes wisdom, it takes real life facts just for you to see the forest for the trees, right? And you're like, wait a minute, I think I've been lied to. Right. So yeah, let's shoot whenever you're ready, however you want to do this. It's an open mic.

SB 132 And Women’s Safety

SPEAKER_03 2:54

What um well, let's go back to when we first met. You, you know, I I was convinced of you know, first contact that you were you were the one. You're a good guy. Uh, because you didn't hesitate. You didn't hesitate, you jumped on it. I asked you to uh if you'd come do a docuseries uh that the independent independent women produced, and it's exposing, you know, the the backlash uh uh of SB 132, what's happening in women's prisons because of them being forcibly integrated with trans-identified male prisoners, and you put it all out there. Um you were unapologetic, you didn't sugarcoat it, and it it it it was exactly what I had been pr hoping and praying for. So that that that being said, what would you what what would you what would you do to change how how how these women are are perceiving like the the conservative leadership, like other than do they believe what is it, SB 132?

SPEAKER_05 3:56

Do they believe SB 132 stemmed from a Republican, Democrat, right, left? What do they believe it stemmed from?

SPEAKER_03 4:04

Maybe they forgot that it was um the left that fully wrote it and supported.

SPEAKER_05 4:10

Okay, now are the female inmates are they it in favor or opposed to fully opposed, you know. So it's kind of like that. It's funny as we're speaking because it's like, okay, they're correctional officers, they pay union dues every month, right? But they hate the union, yeah, and they hate it's like they're funding their own demise, and it's similar. And this is fucking crazy that we're having this conversation.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Yeah, like I was I was I was you know trying to tell them what good has happened in like the last eight years.

SPEAKER_05 4:38

It's almost like battered woman syndrome, yes, no pun intended, right? And I'm not trying to take cheap spots of the females. You can even dive in to ask me like what's my take on the female inmate population, yeah. But when it comes to SB 132, again, we we had a conversation earlier about God, God's purpose, God's plan, right? Now I'm not gonna Bible thump you or be a religious fanatical, but I do believe things happen for a reason. And around that time that you hit me up, I had no idea. I was just being myself with the experience and with the passion and drive that I had. Like, this is wrong. Oh, and then I had my daughter was extremely young. My daughter was extremely younger than what she is right now. Five, four, five? She had to have been, she had to have been four. So that was relevant. Like, no, I wouldn't want this for my daughter. Right. I wanted my my daughter to be in this position. So something has to be said.

SPEAKER_03 5:35

Well, and that's the same thing, surprisingly, that that Senator Ted Cruz said in like a judiciary hearing. Another conservative said, if any of these women were my daughter, I would think the entire system is a failure. So there's time and time again that I've I've done my best to make sure that they understand that it's the opposite of what's being pushed. It's it's not what what you think it is.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Uh dang, man, as you're as we're kicking this off, it seems to me, and again, it's not judge, it's not judging, belittling, pointing fingers, it's just identifying the process that they're in, the situation that they're in, the mindset, and they're not wrong for having those ideas and beliefs. They're they're believing what's being spoon-fed to them.

SPEAKER_03 6:21

Right. And that brings me to one of my one of the questions. If, you know, say wonderful things happen and um, you know, you do have a position in the department again, what um what would you what would you do to increase the safety in within the female population? Um how would you because right now there's a lot of like strange leniency. There's a lot of of privileges that are allowed by different organizations, for example, that can have um you know unfettered access to the population, unmonitored, um, like basically legal visits. People that aren't even lawyers are having legal visits. Um I don't know if I I I don't really think that's normal.

SPEAKER_05 7:09

I get it. Uh this common sense applies. Common sense applies. Um for the record, I have zero experience working around female inmate population, but I'm totally cool with that considering that you could have janitors become associate wardens and plumbers become associate wardens and office technicians become associate wardens and chief deputy wardens. So I'm totally fine in saying that I've only worked in male institutions around men uh and be fully capable and competent of making reasonable common sense decisions. I get a lot of feedback from correctional officers that work in female institutions, and they tell me the same shit that is off the hook, and there's no structure, there's no security. Uh that's so simple. Go back to you. See, there was already a process, there was already designations, there was already classifications. I mean, go back to level one, level two, level three, level four, chill out on the overrides, right? And yeah, you guys need to understand as I speak, it's nothing is like a hammer being dropped. It's just from my observations, probably case by case, of course, nothing blanket statement and like level ones, two, threes, and fours. Okay. Then in my understanding, there's like honor dorms, there's condemned. Now you have condemned inmates everywhere on the meeting.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

There's condemned men. There's men from the row that are okay.

Politics, Perception, And Prison Reality

SPEAKER_05 8:29

Look, right as we're speaking, I will get a pin right here. Here's my John Hancock. I want a condemned male out of a female institution right now. I don't care. You're gonna say they're gonna say, Well, you can't do that. That's illegal. You're breaking the law. I don't care. Boom. Sign. Because it takes somebody to make decisions, tough decisions, right? And if I have to explain myself in the court of law why I did what I did, I have no problem saying, yes, I removed a transgender male/slash female condemned death row inmate with zero gun coverage, plus I know how to articulate. None. I know how to articulate.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

There's one gun in the entire CCWF.

SPEAKER_05 9:05

Zero gun coverage. See, it's not hard for me to play play the game, be smart, have common sense. Like I can wrap policy, procedure, and law into every decision I make, which is technically what you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

Well, how do you think, how do you think, how do you think, how are they able to work around the security measures when you're coming from men's death row? There is no equivalent to that in women's prison.

SPEAKER_05 9:27

There's no so to answer your question, and that was a major one, you know, classification designations. Um uh drugs, drugs are plaguing every single institution in the department right now. Plaguing. And we can even tap into uh I didn't think we were gonna dive right into CIW, bent in all addiction, not addiction, but yeah. What do you call this shit? Pandemic uh pandemic.

SPEAKER_03 9:57

It's it's epidemic. It's uh it's a problem. I mean, but what we mean I mean, we've always known that CIW is a trap house. CIW is see, but I didn't know that. It's it's always, for as long as I can remember, been uh easy access with with narcotics. Um it's always there's an abundance.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

It's funny. It's funny because I can hear the comments yelling now. Yeah, that's because the staff members are bringing it in. That's irrelevant. I already know how contraband gets introduced into institutions. I already know staff, visitors, drones, throwing a backpack over the fence, right? What we're saying is here is there is a lot of dope inside prisons. Right. Now, how do we stop that? How do we curb that? How do we slow it down at least?

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Well, I've always thought maybe if people got their lunch boxes checked at the top of every shift, it might be.

SPEAKER_05 10:51

No, that they have incorporated that with the dog and the random checks. Good. Right. But let's just back to basics. Uh cell searches, bunk searches, locker searches, dorm searches.

SPEAKER_03 11:04

Uh that's what the older women at C AW are asking. That like, why aren't they they people there's there's no um there's no punishment, there's no accountability when they do get caught. Nobody's getting drug tested. Like, what what is it?

SPEAKER_05 11:18

Because I can tell you what happened. Remember, I joined the department in 2006 and rode it all, rode that horrible roller coaster till 2022. There was a point in time where things made sense. If you suspected an inmate on drugs or narcotics or under the influence, you pull them over, quote unquote, you pat them down, you ask them some questions, you may put them in handcuffs, you may escort him to the clinic, right? You may get a write-up, you may get a piss test, he will be found guilty in a rules violation report 115. It will get adjudicated. Uh and and then I saw approximately around 2012, everything changed. Uh, hey, you're the direction is we no longer want you to pat down inmates. Now that's the verbal direction. The verbal direction is hey, you if you write them up, it doesn't matter, we're just gonna dismiss it. And me as a lieutenant, I've been guilty of dismissing RVRs because I was just part caught up in that culture. It's a it's a it's a systemic culture, it's plaguing it. It's almost like who cares? Nobody's gonna do anything about it, anyways. Just let them do whatever they want. That is the mentality. From the bottom to the top, or from I should say, from the top to the bottom.

Fixing Classifications And Security

SPEAKER_03 12:32

That's not that's not very rehabilitative. Oh, and that's messed up. I didn't realize you had a sense of humor, but I mean, uh yeah, so I've been told. Um that like like what about the MAP program? I feel like the MAP program, the MAP, the medically assisted whatever program where they're giving everybody Suboxin, I feel like that is a scam. That's a very bad thing. There's like old people who have been off smack for decades that are now addicted to Suboxen.

SPEAKER_05 13:02

Well, Narcan. Inmates are now in possession of Narcan.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

Well, who do you think was Narcan and the cops?

SPEAKER_05 13:07

Which is outrageous. Yeah. So you have Narcan, which somebody's making money off of Narcan.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

You know, Newsom gets at a 40% discount now.

SPEAKER_05 13:15

So you have Suboxin. I'm sure somebody's getting paid for Suboxin. Uh it's it's it's identical to what they're doing out in the homeless population. You're just funding a machine, but you're utilizing human bodies. So if these female inmates are complaining that they don't like conservatives, it's not the conservatives conservatives that are doing that. It's actually the opposite, that they're funding their own demise. Yeah. Which is what I stated earlier.

SPEAKER_03 13:38

But we have, you know, well-funded NGOs that really are the strong arm of the left that go in and propagandize them and you know convince them that uh reality is not what it is and up is not really up, down is not really down, and that you're transphobic and uh you better shut up, stop complaining, stop lying. And the governor is overlooking your commutations and pardons because of your transphobia.

SPEAKER_05 14:02

Um this conversation is getting deep. I didn't even know we were gonna take it on this level, but I love these intellectual conversations. So basically, for the crowd out there, like let me what she was explaining to me earlier that currently any female inmate that voices their concern against transgender inmates, when they go up to parole, correct? Parole hearing, that is like a negative outlook on that. Hey Warriors, if you haven't already signed up for our all new website, HectorBravoshow.com, make sure you sign up at the link below, Hector Bravoshow.com to watch explicit, uncensored, never before seen prison footage. With that, love you, keep pushing forward. Has it been held against him?

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Yeah. There's there's one case in particular, almost like four years ago, she she she wrote a 602 because this you know Mexican mafia dropout person kept peeking in the bathroom of the day room at her. And at one point, this woman was hiding in the toilet in the corner. What are you hiding for? You're like six foot two. We could see you in there, right? So she wrote a 602 about being uncomfortable, being forcibly housed with uh a trans-identified person who wasn't surgically transitioned, and that she didn't want had a penis. Yeah. They, I mean, most of them do. She just didn't, she wanted this on the record. She she wasn't fearing for her life or anything. She just wanted to voice her concern about the implementation of the policy of the law because it's it it made her as a survivor of sexual assault feel uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_05 15:33

Oh, that's even worse, dude. These stories just get worse, worse, and worse.

SPEAKER_03 15:37

And this one is foul because then there were two other people who wrote similar um 602s. Well, that person is a genius, they've been down for 25, 30 years. This fool dropped a note, these three end up getting arrested and sent to ADSIG for their own safety. Um, they lose their honor dorm privileges, they lose their jobs. Um, one of them lost her her parole date.

SPEAKER_05 16:03

You know, she do you know if that 602 came up during the parole hearing?

SPEAKER_03 16:07

Uh no.

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Okay.

Drugs Inside: Policy And Accountability

SPEAKER_03 16:08

I don't think so. Actually, well, but at one point, the commissioner he did tell her, why don't you just keep your head mouth shut? Why didn't you just keep your head down and your mouth shut? You know how hard it is to get a parole grant. Why didn't why did you do this? But he's also the same commissioner that told her um, you know, that when her husband changed her passcode to evil lying whore, it was appropriate. So that this this they get they get shit on a lot.

SPEAKER_05 16:32

These people are evil, like the people that we're talking about that controlled or attempt to control the narrative. I think they're losing ground though. I think their way are slowly coming to an end. I would like to think the same. I think so. I think more people's eyes are open.

SPEAKER_03 16:48

Because it's it's it's like to the point where it's undeniable. You can't miss this stuff.

SPEAKER_05 16:53

You can't real quick though, I think since we're just going back and forth, like I want you to know the similarities between retaliation, because that's exactly what that is. Retaliation. You have a female inmate voicing her concerns for having a male inmate housed with a penis, stalking her, is what he's essentially doing. Stalking, which is a crime and a showable offense. Thank you. And she gets retaliated against for voicing her concern on a 602, removed off of her honor dorm setting, no different than a correctional officer who fears for his safety as a result of being put in bad predicaments, tries to blow the whistle, they're gonna get retaliated against. They're gonna get job changed, they're gonna get put under investigation. And again, is it the right? Is it the left? It's it's it's a certain group of people, right? And uh to me, they're all incompetent and evil.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

Yeah, and and and it's time for some accountability. And just it the time is coming. I think that the tides are turning, and it's gonna be good because all these women who, and you know, not just them, but the people who have suffered at the hand of, you know, the dark side that's been puppeteering all this, they're they're they're gonna be vindicated. Like this this lady went through so much. Um, she she had a uh they all actually got sick write-ups. They got 115s after they 602. They got write-ups for false reporting and harassment. Of course, harassment. And this is this person that they're defending so hard. He wrote an article about me that said, I need to be identified, purged, and replaced. Me, I need to be identified, purged, and replaced. This is somebody who said that the person that they were complaining about in their 602s. That sounds like a threat against you. Sounds like a threat against my life. Correct. I mean, I sent it to the warden, I was like, You're gonna just have this stuff floating around. This is this is obviously a threat against my life. Correct. Um, you're gonna keep having this, you know, liberation newspaper that's really just like.

SPEAKER_05 18:46

Oh, they put that in a liberate, they put it in some type of like institutional newsletter?

SPEAKER_03 18:50

No, it was uh uh uh uh out of San Francisco. It's a small publication, but it used to be it used to be like you know, uh a freedom fighter kind of thing, but now they're they're just trans sympathizers and and You're stressing me out. This guy, I mean, the arresting officer, the the the sheriff who who arrested this guy in the 80s, when he found out that I was within arm's length of this guy, he was mortified. He said, Oh no, you were close. I said, Yeah, like within arm's reach. He said, No.

SPEAKER_00 19:19

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Because I went into CCWF in 2022 or 21 for a Ayak, you know, used to be whack and Mac, but Ayak now um event. And I was so happy to see everybody. I'm like, yay, let's hug. Right. And I felt happy to be back on grounds. I was like, wow. Okay, I always said I was gonna come back and do this. And then the wind blew, and I turned around to B yard, and I was like, there he is.

SPEAKER_05 19:44

You saw him.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

I saw him, and I had never seen him before, never seen a photo, never seen a mugshot, but I knew it was this person, and he's just making a beeline. And I was talking to ISU, I was like, Oh, he's gonna get me. And they're laughing. There's like, there's nothing we can do. The way this laugh Law is written, we literally cannot do anything. And I said, Well, this person doesn't have a ducat. How's it? Because a lot of ladies came over. They said, You know who that is, right? I said, I do. That's wild. Um, and this is somebody who has a really long wrap sheet in the men's joint for sexually assaulting men. Um, this is somebody who frequently used bone crushers. This is somebody who's really scary over there. So why would you think it's suitable? It even on file, it says murder of another life inmate by a life-serving inmate. There's no way. And there's no way. Yeah, they do. There's no way. I I have the the the for the public information request.

SPEAKER_05 20:37

There's no way. There's wait a minute, man. This is crazy because, like, for the last three years, you know, I've been grinding and I've I hit the whole female group initially, and then I've kind of stayed away from it for about a two, almost two years, and now we're getting back to it. Yeah. The inmate the transgender man and he has a penis and he's housed in a woman's institution, yeah, and he has an in-prison murder offense.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

Yes. And it's on, it's it's I have the the response from CDCR saying if they don't associate it, they just gave me a list of charges. But we know it was that person.

SPEAKER_05 21:13

Again, again, again, common sense, Hector. If you were the secretary, what would you do? A signature. Get this dude out of there. The COs be like, hey, well, we're afraid he doesn't want to be transferred. Motherfucker, there's a policy for that. There's a cell extraction policy. There's a cooldown period. Get the mental health. Like, stop fucking pissing me off. Do your fucking job. I don't want to hear shit. That's the problem that's going to be, though. Yeah, I can be the secretary all day long and give orders, right? But it's also enabling the officers to do and the supervisors to take action. Because they've been so conformed to not doing jack shit and like.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Well, uh, it's like they're taking they're taking orders from the the organizations that come in. It's like they those are their boss now.

SPEAKER_05 21:54

And the inmates. Yeah. The image of their boss, too, in a way.

SPEAKER_03 21:58

And who is who is funding those people? It's not the conservatives. It's not all soros. Yeah. It actually it is. Um, no, like literally. Um get the 990s out.

SPEAKER_05 22:08

Like it's oh, it's on the 990s. You know what it is on the 990s? That's why I feel comfortable talking like this because it's all facts and it's not defamation of character or slander. It's it's it's on the tax forms.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

And it's uh, you know, these people, their their funding is all tied together with like the Tides Foundation. Um, it's all there.

SPEAKER_05 22:30

Amend the California model, Bree Williams, UC San Francisco.

SPEAKER_03 22:34

Oh, it's all it's all connected. It's all connected, it's all circular spending, it's all coming out of the same purse. It's all I'll tell you what that is.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

That is money laundering disguised as rehabilitation.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Yes, that's perfect. That's exactly what it is. I'm gonna make a phone call as soon as we're done. Um, because this is not this is not okay. How about what would you do about this? There's uh there's a water issue. Well, we know all the prisons are built on like toxic waste dumps, right? Um cheap prices on property. So Chowchilla happens to have toxic wells. And you know, maybe people will care because the the you know, the whatever a crybaby prison across the street, what a uh VSPW, I mean VSP valley state prison that they took from us in 2012 and smashed us all into CCWF so that they could have the the sensitive needs yard prison, yet they still made CCWF the the overflow of PC overflow. Um yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah, that I well, no, not technically. I mean the tr the you know the but they so the wells are poisonous. The well, I as soon as I got to that prison in 2009, I was like, this water, I gotta call Aaron Brokovich. This water is bad. And I was telling my parents, please give me Aaron Brokovich's information. Those institutions have water treatment facilities? Um, no, but since 2019 in the budget, millions have been allocated for a groundbreaking on a water purification plant on site for the arsenic and the manganese. That's not including these seven other highly cancerous toxins that are in the water, but um they have never broken ground.

SPEAKER_05 24:10

They haven't. No. How about in 2026? Have they broken ground? No, and it's supposed to be finished this year. But they've received money.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

Yeah, and then they just asked for 19, I think 19 million more to get new wells.

SPEAKER_05 24:21

Now I'm not a fucking doctor, but somebody should probably ask where this money went, maybe. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

I would like to know because I don't think it costs like 19 million dollars to get the Brita filters for all the day room drinking fountains. Then the ladies are like, well, when it's on yellow and we tell them to change it, they won't. And I'm like, Do you think that Brita thing is taking out the RC?

SPEAKER_05 24:39

That is fucking that is water. That is basic human needs, that is a civil rights violation.

SPEAKER_03 24:45

Absolutely. And then the cancer rates continue to go up and up and up. But they try to charge me it's CCHCS.

SPEAKER_05 24:51

You said a lot of these female inmates think I'm an asshole or they don't agree with what I say, right? And I'm like, dude, this is water, bro. That's like the these inmates don't even have the option to go to Costco and get a case of water. They're like literally at the expense of staff and and the resources or their lack of like again, there's certain imminent decisions that have to be made fast, and because it's technically life or death.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Right. And for many, it's death because these women are getting cancer. And the the they're even in like appropriation or budget meetings, it has been stated this water is poisonous, it cannot be consumed, yet you're continuing to let them bathe, cook, and drink it.

SPEAKER_05 25:29

That's fucking nasty.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

And and how many of my friends have gotten double mastectomies? Have they're getting cancer, not just from you know the water? I mean, asbestos, barehand asbestos abatement, all of that stuff. But um CCHCS wanted to charge me$600 to get the cancer rate diagnosis for like the last five years because I wanted it from the time they acknowledged that the water was a problem to now. And I don't have$600, I don't have$600 to pay for paperwork, but um I already know I just wanted that so I could, you know, show somebody someday. Interesting. This this is a problem. There actually, CIW women actually watched water like pallets of water sitting in the sun for months that they couldn't touch while their water, they have a boil, you know, uh they have to boil their water. They said there's like sea monkeys in it. Um, that's fucking nasty. And the directions say you have to put a little bit of bleach in your water. They don't have bleach handy, you know.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

It's not like they get they got fucking fentanyl handy, I'll tell you that much.

SPEAKER_03 26:33

They do, they do in the Bibles. I am but this is this is a problem. These things are negligent as I mean No Negligent is like minor.

SPEAKER_05 26:46

These are fucking catastrophic.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Yeah, this is this is actually causing people to die. Like they're they're dying.

SPEAKER_05 26:55

Well, so is mixing GPs and SNYs, but uh yeah, that's a whole nother can of worms.

Threats, Advocacy, And Media Narratives

SPEAKER_03 27:01

And what do you and okay? Speaking of okay, mixing GPs and SNYs, do you think like the general public understands that they're putting level four men into a women's mixed one through four, and that a women's level four is like the equivalent of a level two, and you now have the public is unique.

SPEAKER_05 27:24

Right. The public is unique, society as a whole is unique, right? And I approach life now as a enlightened man, a so-called philosopher, and it's no different than what the greats before me observed. People want to live in their make-believe world that doesn't fucking actually apply. Uh, they'd rather pretend things are not happening, they'd rather uh consume alcohol, drugs, self-medicate, uh, be on their phone, go to parties, instead of like actually facing a problem, they'd rather ignore it.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

I try and tell people as often as possible. You know, we're all just like one glass of Chardonnay away from that fatal DUI that's gonna land you in the same situation as my friends. That's why you gotta care about this. Facts. You gotta care about this.

SPEAKER_05 28:07

It's yeah, and uh on that documentary that we did, you and I, docuseries, one of the questions asked to me was like, Why should the American people care? Why should they care? I said, Why? Because there's nothing preventing like your kid from fucking getting in an accident and and killing somebody. There's nothing saying that your kid's not gonna do cause harm to another human being. And I mean, fucking people are wired, people will go any direction they want to go, no matter how good of a parent you are.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

I'm sure my you know, my parents, my dad's a sheriff. Right. He wasn't expecting, I don't think they were expecting this. Um, but it happened. And and I mean, I know it happened for a reason and that I'm supposed to be right here, but uh, I uh the the way the public is so disconnected from this issue makes me feel weird.

SPEAKER_05 28:52

Like I'm very I feel very grateful about this, is that I would like to think that I brought to the general public the idea that hey, not all paroles are scumbags, not all former gang members are scumbags, because like that used to be the mindset. And that at one point in time, that was my mindset, right? Until you have these conversations and you realize the motherfucker is successful, way more successful, way more ethical than some of these dudes wearing suits in Sacramento. Oh, a lot. Oh, yeah, correct. A lot that was one of the things that made me want to resign from the department. I was sitting in my lieutenant's office thinking, like, these inmates are more ethical than these managers. That is not okay for me to be thinking because like that's something's wrong here. I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

It's um it's it's uh it's the upside down kingdom. Things are upside down. How do you how do you get like legislators? How would you get the governor to do that?

SPEAKER_05 29:49

But they're in on it.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:51

Okay, I'm not gonna say her name. I mean, I guess I could, I don't care. I'm I'm just tired. I'm tired of being banned, I'm tired of being censored by Instagram, Twitch, Patreon, YouTube. I'm like the shadow ban king over here. Uh, but there was a senator from California who I took a Zoom call with. I said, Hey, ma'am, so and so is responsible for this, so-and-so is responsible for this. I have documentation. She's like, Yeah, okay, cool, thank you. We'll call you later. Never, that was three years ago. Never heard from her. That's a senator, actual senator. They don't care. People always ask me, Hector, who do we have to tell? Who can help us? I'm like, That's why I'm going to the United Nations, baby. I mean, because if California don't care. If you realize how high this shit goes, like, even the FBI. I could pick up my phone and call the FBI. Where are they? They're not gonna come and kick in nobody's door.

SPEAKER_03 30:45

No, everybody's compromised. It's so disheartening. Um, like, like that's how I really my heart goes out to the women in the feds because who do you call that? Who do you call for help when you're in the feds? The feds. Um, that's rough. And and they're like, there's one woman who's I I mean, I went to I flew out to Tallahassee to one of her hearings because she saw me on Fox News or something. Her con her lawyers got in touch with me and said, Rhonda would really like to talk to you. I was like, okay. And I was like, damn, this lady's down for the cause. She's ready to die because she knows the weight that is on her shoulders. The women in prison don't understand. Unfortunately, the the the existence of women as women is on their shoulders. If they don't stand up and do something, we're done. But this lady knows, she knows, and she's shouldering this. And I ain't never seen a judge treat someone so horribly in my life. I was like, I wanted to jump over the the the the thing. I was like, oh hell nah. And she had messaged me before before they transported her to court and she said I was assaulted last night. They um they cut my clothes off and they said I was suicidal, I was not, I never happened. They cut my clothes off and threw me in a cell with no clothes, no blanket, nothing. So I'm gonna look like crap in court today. But I guess maybe that'll be helpful. And I was like, Oh my heart, because who do you ask for help when the US marshals are beating you up, you know?

SPEAKER_05 32:12

The public perception to some is like, who gives a fucking marry inmates? They shouldn't don't do the crime if you can't do the time. That's what the is the is the consensus, right? And I'm like, no, dude, you're missing the whole entire fucking point here. The point is, regardless, yeah, with the exclusion of the child molesters, uh, the rest are human, right? And you have staff working in there, okay? You have officers working in there. If shit gets fucked up with the inmates, shit's gonna get fucked up with the staff. It's like a fucking kingdom, like you said, a kingdom in there. It's like it's its own little world, right? So you can't just have unhappy, violent, unhealthy inmates and expect the whole place to be cool because it's not, it's gonna kick off.

Toxic Water And Health Neglect

SPEAKER_03 32:55

No, and I've been there all mental health. There's no mental health. It feels like staff is is miserable and all these youngsters, there's no, there's no like um guidance, you know, there's no there's no old heads to help them out. I mean, when all the when I was there, there were dudes that was like, okay, grandad, it was like your grandpa yelling at you, Where's your pruno? Give it to me. And it was it was different. It's like we were a freaking family, you know. I knew that on Sundays he was gonna come through with the bullhorn, talk about where's my pruno, bring it out. And it was it was like You know what?

SPEAKER_05 33:25

This was all done by design, though. Around the year 2012, that push was done for this, right? But I think as me and you speak, and as more people speak, we have to bring it back. It has to, because the it has to offset itself. Even if you're a young correctional officer and you think I'm full of shit, when the inmate stabs you in your fucking throat, you will figure out for yourself whether I was full of shit or not.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

Yeah, that overfamiliarity thing with the California model was insane. Like you don't want overfamiliarity, right? Because the officers are clearly having sex with all these women and it's a horrible abuse of power, but you want them to call them each other by their first names.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

I don't even want to ask questions. I you know, the I I don't ask a lot of questions about female institutions because I don't want to know.

SPEAKER_03 34:08

I mean, it's crazy. It's crazy, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

Even the it's not is in anything like the orange is a new black now.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Oh, you know what? I watched the first season and I cried a little bit because I was stupid like that lady. Oh, these look like Toms. Look at these shoes.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

But um I have seen probably the first season.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

The the you know, brainwashing, the the soft programming that went into that with uh Laverne Cox to have the entire world thinking that every time I say a trans person in women's prison, they're thinking of Laverne Cox when actually it's men with Cox, it's not that person. 100%. Um, and you know, the ACLU was they they were complicit in that because oranges and you black, did they have a transgender in there? Yeah, I don't remember that. And and that person went to like the the Academy Awards with that ugly little lawyer from the ACLU. They're they're buddied up. You know, this was so um exquisitely executed. Uh, and it was at the perfect time so that as soon as I hit the scene complaining about this, I looked like I was on mean.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

I've seen some of these fools because I was on Charlie R R J uh Charlie R R J D, level four S and Y E O P. Yeah, they had nothing glamorous about that shit, man. It looks like they put fucking two packs of ground beef in their fucking daisy dukes.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

Well, now, since they can get an unlimited amount of elected surgery, elective surgeries, it's a different story. You have you have people walking around now with facelifts, nose jobs, and I'm like, okay, wait.

SPEAKER_05 35:38

Yeah, asshole bleaching from what I hear.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

Um, um, um, nose jobs, cheek implants, chin implants. Um, that's all under facial feminization.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

That's fucking cool. Taxpayer money. That's fucking cool, bro.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Four million dollars on breast implants for men. Um, and the vaginoplastys, you know, the ones who do go through with that, it's never really done correctly the first time, so they got to get it done again. Some dude just got uh his breast implants bigger.

SPEAKER_05 36:03

The they get dildos issued to them as a medical DME appliance. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 36:09

Well, because you have to dilate in order to um oh my fucking guy.

SPEAKER_05 36:13

But those get sold.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

They get sold because you moved to the women's prison and people.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

Come on, dude, I don't want to be around any of that shit. No.

SPEAKER_03 36:22

But but then there's there's look at the although there's the whole population in Mule Creek and and and uh Vaccaville who are thriving and you know, programming and happy and in long-term relationships that are like, we don't want to be associated with this. Who told you that we were in here getting uh you know brutalized? I said Scott Wiener, and they were like, Well, who told him that? Because we didn't.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

That's what California's citizens don't understand. The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation is made up of numerous populations. There's gangsters, your level, your GP gangsters, which those are that's a small, small, small group now. That is very far and few in between. Uh, you have your S Y, your normal S.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

But then there's the crazy S Ys.

SPEAKER_05 37:08

And then you have the EOP SYs, which is like Skid Row.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

Oh, oh, the ones that they like to send to Champfella. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 37:16

And then you have like your gays, which would be SNY, which would But they're scary now, right? But they're also there's a mixture that can be in the regular S Y or the EOPs, and then the women's institutions. But yeah, not every inmate is the same at all.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

No. What happened to FOPS? Who? Remember the female offender programs and services? I don't I never bought into any of those. Well, it's region two now. It's region number two. So instead of dealing with having uh female offender programs and services, they just made it region two, which is interesting because it goes from Chow Cella to Chino.

SPEAKER_05 37:53

Oh, region two, yeah. Fops. Well, that's the um associate directors. They divdied it up yeah, the ADs for the prisons. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big fan of that, those specific those individuals. Uh one is solid. One one.

SPEAKER_05 38:12

I'm not gonna say nothing because I've always protected I always protect the good people, right? Because again, if we say a good name that we like, they're gonna retaliate against us.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Well, and I thought I was told that the one who who you know is no good is was good. So I I was thinking, okay, this is gonna be an ally.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

But I know for sure my experience with this person was fucking good. Like, like good.

Budgets, Unions, And Perverse Incentives

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Um what did I want to tell you? The uh um that was very strange that um okay, it wasn't it wasn't with the Fops. Um how about the riot? How how how would you have um if I was secretary? Yes.

SPEAKER_05 38:52

Oh, okay, here we go. So she's referencing the abomination of a riot at Central California Women's Facility, CCWF in Chowchella that ended resulted in a code three and numerous chemical agents, baton, physical force. I think baton was used. 40 millimeter, Leslie.

SPEAKER_03 39:15

The the grenade launcher came out. 40 millimeter.

SPEAKER_05 39:17

I never, I I mean so again, first and foremost, everything has to take, and the department's broken, everything has to take its uh investigative process from the report writing to the internal affairs, which is a fucking sham and a scam, uh, to the interviews, to the ABSS, to the use of force, the allegations of excessive use of force and unnecessary use of force. So all of this has to be taken into account, right? It's easy for me to spot I spot I spotted the problems as a regular civilian sitting on the couch with my experience. At the time, said Chief Deputy Warden Cynthia Rojas, who I knew when she was an AW at Donovan. Was acting as warden for a week. Of course.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Because uh Dela Cruz was in Sacramento.

SPEAKER_05 40:07

Acting as associate director, AD. So they were both bumped up one act, which happens a lot in CDCR. And she decided to go nuts with her one week of power and order a search of the woman's 513 dorm, which is problematic, or a let should be problematic. Well, no search plan, no nothing, no direction. You had a lieutenant acting as a captain. And again, everybody's bumping up. So for the people that don't understand, like what is it like to act, what is it like to bump up to the next level, you really don't have that fucking experience quite yet. Unless you do have that experience from prior experiences, but you really don't. So like it's almost like if you're like a first grader and you're getting put like into third grade or fourth grade, right? You're like in a whole new realm with a lot of responsibilities.

SPEAKER_03 40:55

That's gonna take a lot of skills and uh adaptive 100%.

SPEAKER_05 41:00

100%. And uh the women and poor planning or zero planning.

SPEAKER_03 41:06

Well, you normally, like from my you know, experience of being a resident, um, you're told ahead of time, you know, because women do have a very strong emotional tie to stuff, so they usually give you an opportunity to mail your crap home so you could be in compliance, you know.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

The thing is, is that uh, and I I've I initially agreed with what you just said right now because I had forgotten, but they're like, Hector, when do we ever warn the inmates that we're gonna do a search? You're right, we don't warn them because we can catch contraband. The goal is to the goal is to um get contraband. So it goes back to us how do we reduce fentanyl? How do we reduce drug paraphernalia? How do we reduce overdoses? These are the points of these searches, right? And the ladies were in the chow hall, it was hot, it was August. And I've been locked in that chow hall in August. I've been pretty scared. Yeah, you got the scolery running, you got the it's hot. It the place, whole place sucks. Yeah, this is the case. Prison fucking sucks. Yeah, people's tensions are fucking.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

It's so scary when you're locked in the chow hall, too.

SPEAKER_05 42:07

That was a weekend. Was it a weekend, do you know? Because the lady wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

It might have been a Friday or a Thursday because I I remember their their tablets were down, there was no communication until the next week.

SPEAKER_05 42:18

So then they initiate a code one, the ladies didn't get down, me knowing policy, me being an alarm response instructor, former CRT, uh crisis response team, like I understand what it's supposed to look like flawlessly, and it didn't happen flawlessly, it happened fucking like shit. What they should and could have done is once they hit the alarms and the ladies did not get down, at which point in time they could have used force per policy and procedure to overcome the resistance of them not getting down during an active alarm. The imminent threat was present. There's an active alarm. If you look at the all the operating procedures or the for handbooks for the inmates, it says when there's an alarm, you got to be seated or in a prone position. All of that is your bread and butter, right? Because that's not what happened.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Well, and I think there were some there were mixed codes. Somebody called like a code three, somebody called a code four, so they don't know even know what the responding was.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Yeah, it was a fucking disaster, right? Code three responders come in, which point in time they see what they see, boom, they initiate force, everybody initiates force.

SPEAKER_03 43:23

Well, and and and a lot of the ladies told me that there were like scary uh staff, scary officers that came in that they had never seen before. They had like black scary uniforms on. They were like, we don't know who these guys are. And and this is a prison. This is it's so different. The culture is so different there, you know. These are no, I get it. I get it.

The CCWF Riot And Leadership Failure

SPEAKER_05 43:43

I understand they quelled. I mean, when I say they quelled, there was really nothing to quell other than put them down. They got put down fucking by force. All right. Then they go outside, and there's a big fucking group of ladies sitting down now. And they're zip tied, right? They're zip tied. What you see is you see one female inmate stand up and start walking towards another inmate. All right. Should that inmate have done that? Absolutely not. Right. Okay, per per logical common sense, like you just you're just not gonna do that, right? Is it against the rule? Or I would say it's your you're pushing your the limit. You're you're let's get technical. You now presented an imminent threat. Somebody like Hector Bravo, with the mindset that I have and the experience, I could easily articulate hey, that lady posed an imminent threat by standing up and walking towards another seated position, fearing for the seated inmate's safety. I assumed that that person was gonna kick her right in the mouth. Have we seen stuff happen like that before? I definitely have seen the minute get kicked in the fucking mouth by other people.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

Yeah, that's that's not good.

SPEAKER_05 44:56

So oh, and then we were talking about the cups too. Uh yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter. That whole situation was fucked from the start to the finish. The investigative interviews were biased, they were biased towards the managers, which was more of a inner casual interview like this, and then they were grilling the correctional officers. Why didn't you do this? They were actually lying. They were actually fucking everything all up, trust me. I know policy and the officers admitted to using force, which is not dishonesty, they just did not know how to articulate why they used force. And it's like somebody told me, Hector, being dumb is not a violation of the law.

SPEAKER_03 45:42

No, I mean it's something that should be you can coach somebody out of that, you can penalize them and then bring it on home. Correct. But then there was no like with with with all the people that live in 513 afterwards, they just cut off communication.

SPEAKER_05 45:57

So this is what you have. You have female inmates that got fucked up. Yeah, you have managers that got promoted.

SPEAKER_03 46:04

What the hell is that? Every time a female does something that is really not good in CDCR, she gets a promotion.

SPEAKER_05 46:10

Yeah, that's the that's the way it goes. And then you had officers get fired, total of six. Right. So, and again, Hector Bravo has been saying the same fucking shit for the last three years. Administration is playing the both of you and getting away with their bullshit, which is exactly what happened. You had female image get fucked up with chemical agents and officers get fired, and Cintio Rojas got an acting position at uh CTF Solidad as a warden. What would I do as a secretary? Immediately fucking remove that position, that post. You're you're you're you're you're clerking again? You're gonna Yeah, you're in an administrative fucking find a seat in an office, sit there, don't bother nobody until I fucking leave forget about you. These six officers, you better write a fucking memorandum as to why you want this fucking job back, why you sat, why you suck at report writing and why you need to get better. Right? And then I'm gonna chew out the fucking sergeants, lieutenants, captains, aw's, and the fucking chief and the warden. Like, dude, why am I having to come here and unfuck all your shit? Right now, the female inmates, again, I'm a fair motherfucker. I'm a fair one, right? It might take some time, but the it it'll it'll always correct themselves, right? The wrong will get righted like down the road, however it may be. Hey, boss, can we fucking have this type of festival? Can we have this?

SPEAKER_03 47:38

Then that's how it used to be. When I was there, you you you fuck up and then you earn it back. You you you you it's a symbiotic relationship, it's a bicycle.

SPEAKER_05 47:45

I mean, it's yeah, it's like I never forget, right? And and that there's been numerous times in my ex career where inmates have gotten done dirty. No, they have gotten fucking done dirty. I knew it and they knew it, but we said, hey, hang on, we're gonna get you on the back end. That's exactly what we'll tell them. We're gonna get you on the back end.

SPEAKER_03 48:05

But the new, the new young, the new booties. And we got them on the back end. The new booties, while you don't want to get them on the back end over there. This is a lawsuit. But this is this is the the the new booties, they don't have that same, they don't have that that that work ethic. They don't have that code of conduct where they want to build a rapport with these. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

Oh, everything went to hell. 100% everything went to hell.

SPEAKER_03 48:26

And then we got this is the fastest aging population. These are these my friends are turning into old ladies in there, you know. So you got these kids that are coming in and they're not respecting or or even considering the fact that these are older women, these are these are my friends. We're all going through the menopause, you know. I mean, it it's it's there's no I get it.

SPEAKER_05 48:46

It dude, it would take like it's it's weird because I would not change my approach that I've been on the internet and YouTube. My message, I would not change my message. Maybe it would hit different to these officers if I was their boss, like officially their boss, which I've told them from the beginning. Titles don't mean shit, bro. You have a boss right now, he's fucking worthless, he's horrible, he's gonna get you killed. Why the fuck do you need me to have a title to tell you what to do for you to do the right thing? Why do you need anybody to tell you to do the right thing? Just do it.

SPEAKER_03 49:18

Just be like Nike, just do it. What about, okay. What about what about what would you do about elder parole? You know how they're they're not letting the old people go? How do you and how do you explain to people that the crime wave that we're experiencing on the streets has nothing to do with people that have been down for 20 or 30 years? These old heads that have been down for 20 or 30 years are not in fact in the streets causing chaos.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

You know what's weird about you saying that is when AB 109 happened around 2009-2010, there were major incidents with paroles shooting it out with the cops. There were Sacramento. Uh there were no, there were. But as the years progress, I'm finding that to be less of less, right? You're right. There are lifers. Fuck, I interview them all the time right here. I'm gonna interview another one uh next next week, two weeks. How would I view it? I would look, I mean, yeah, I'm a realist though, and I and I could read people, I have high emotional intelligence. Um I think by now BPH is doing a good job. They didn't they didn't approve them in Endez Brothers, which is good, which is good for me. Like I didn't want them to, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Not that was embarrassing. They embarrassed the whole El Watt population, you know? Like they should have had their shit lined up. Why didn't their lawyers advise them to have their backyards cleaned? They just got up there all sloppy toppy, all just looking stupid.

Consequences, Consistency, And Culture

SPEAKER_05 50:47

I yeah, like I know I know El WAP. One a black dude, and another one a Mexican. Like those youngsters, and they were youngsters when I met them, and they're now they're a little older, but like they they deserve to go home. For sure they deserve to go home. 100% they deserve to go home. And this is me saying this as a three-year civilian where that job fucking it jades you, it jades you bad. Like you see through a lens of just like hate.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

I I understand, I overstand, and it's hard to not let that consume you. I have to like check myself regularly, like and remind myself why I'm in this uh because it's the right thing to do. It's not because it's fun, it's not because it's popular, it's definitely not because I'm getting rich.

SPEAKER_05 51:29

Um I second that for myself.

SPEAKER_03 51:32

Man, and it's crazy because you see the opposition getting like$150,000 a year.

SPEAKER_05 51:37

I don't give a fuck though, because that's dirty money. It is that's blood money.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

And I don't want it. I would rather be living in my dad's house, you know. Um driving my aunt's Prius than than, you know, perpetuating a lie and writing a check on my friends' backs in their own blood. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 51:56

I I I don't exactly and I don't know how our union, and I say our because let me rephrase that. I don't know how the fuck the CCPOA union is okay sleeping at night, living in mansions, eating steak and lobster and and filet mignon and golfing on the blood of correctional officers' money.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

Okay, correctional, okay, okay, blood. Speaking of blood, okay. Remember Mule Creek last year? We had two murders in family visiting, right? Back to back. Teammate Brinson, yeah, one of them. Back to back. Um, a lot of ladies were concerned. I was deeply concerned that they were gonna take away family visiting from life or sound wops, and and that was hard to get, you know. But actually, no, no action was taken. Um, I don't think that was a good decision either, because these these things happen like back to back in the same prison. Why wasn't something done on site? Like obviously, there's an issue there with security in family visiting.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

I know I was thinking that they were gonna ban family visits for lifers again. That's what I was thinking, but I don't think the public realizes that there is literally nobody making decisions in the department. There's literally nobody making decisions. You have Jeff McCumber. Let me rephrase this. There's nobody making decisions in the department. What there are people is doing is pushing a narrative, pushing an agenda. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to fucking make a decision, but I want to push filth. For them, it's easier.

SPEAKER_03 53:32

How why is it easy for them to be so corrupt? Like I can't.

SPEAKER_05 53:36

There's fucking like jellyfish is without a spine.

SPEAKER_03 53:38

He doesn't have a brain either. You know, before he got appointed, he was it was at a hearing for him or whatever, and some one of the lawyers that's on the SB 132 case, you know, uh, she asked, or something, what what what what would you do to ensure women's safety now that they're integrated with the transgenders? And they said, just put them on a different tier. You worked in CDCR for almost 30 years and you don't know that there's no tears in the women's prison?

SPEAKER_05 54:04

Put them on a different tier.

SPEAKER_03 54:05

On a different tier. We don't have tears, sir. There's no tears. Who said that? Montcumber. No, yeah. And I was like, You can't be put him on a different tier. You can't be director. Jeff, come on, put them on a different tier. See what I mean? Nah, man. I was devastated. I was like, there aren't tears in our prison. This isn't American me. It's Choice. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:30

Now that just sounds like somebody, some somebody once told him, like, oh yeah, boss, just put him on a different tier, and the stupid asshole.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 54:39

These guys are not the brightest. These individuals are not the brightest in charge.

SPEAKER_03 54:43

They're just puppets.

SPEAKER_05 54:45

Yeah, that's how they got there.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

But they are smart enough to make a grip of money.

SPEAKER_05 54:49

I mean No, well, they're okay. Within the rank system of CDCR, from secretary to director to chief deputy director to associate warden to warden, I do not believe that they are accumulating monetary income. I do not believe that. What they are doing is selling out for a title, power, perceived power, and a position. That's what they're selling out for. Oh, it's absolutely pathetic. Trust me. I've seen some scandalous shit in my time. So I'm not to say that they're not pocketing any money, right? But I don't, in my heart, I don't believe that. I don't see how that would be possible without some weird, really far out criminal, criminal, criminal, criminal shit going on. But they're selling out for titles, monies, and power, power. Facts.

SPEAKER_03 55:39

That's like pathetic, like trench cult mafia, high school rejet type of stuff. Like beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Beautifully said.

SPEAKER_03 55:45

You weren't allowed, you can't sit with us. You still can't sit with us.

SPEAKER_05 55:48

You still can't. And even when you retire, bitch, you're not welcome either. No. You are never welcome. No, that's not. You try to tell war stories and lies, the truth is out there. Oh, that's like still in valor. I'm just I mean, there's a hundred and two dead bodies. That's crazy. You can't like get a broom and sweep that under the rug. You can't.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Wait, so so so there's like what 90,000 incarcerated people in California. So 102 out of that's a very high percentage.

Elder Parole And Rehabilitation

SPEAKER_05 56:13

That's and I always say December since December 2022. But realistically, that is January 2023, because from December to January is one year. So from January 2023 to 202 now, six in a span of three years. And some people might think like, oh, well, Hector, 102 murders in a three-year span in a prison system is not a lot of numbers. While for a fucking prison system, be claiming that everything is fine and happy, and that they're doing so well, they need four billion more dollars this year.

SPEAKER_03 56:44

I mean, for 18 billion dollars, I would heal the world. You know what I'm saying? Like easily. Um we would uh world hunger, uh global warming would all be done for 18 billion dollars.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

Fix the water issue that you were talking about.

SPEAKER_03 56:57

Everybody would have a new set of teeth and boobs, everybody. It will be good. Yeah, but um 18 billion dollars, I don't think that that that is justifiable on any level. They just closed two prisons, the population is decreasing, and you want four billion more dollars.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

So the people getting paid money or secretary or are above the secretary, your your governor, your private, your CEOs of these foundations, your uh fuck, we were having a conversation earlier about the two former CDCR secretaries. It's funny how they're still around, right? Like they're getting fucking paid.

SPEAKER_03 57:34

Yeah, they're they're contracting now, that's right. Um and I served under both of them. Like that's crazy, man.

SPEAKER_05 57:46

Um as a matter of fact, I think he was the one pushing today's inmate is tomorrow's neighbor. Yeah, I believe so. And while I don't knock the idea that today's inmate is tomorrow's neighbor, I knock how you did it all wrong.

SPEAKER_03 58:05

Well, but there's the services that are allegedly provided are not provided. Right. And I feel like, you know, if we really wanted to make the world a better place and really put the R in Sh to She R, there would be more uh like give these 290s some resources because those are the ones they're all gonna prioritize and let go anyway, right? So why not ensure that they have access to programming that's gonna help them?

SPEAKER_05 58:28

But from my experience, general population inmates have less incentives, less programs, and less opportunity, then you're out of control of fucking S and Y U.

SPEAKER_03 58:36

Always, because I was I was a square I'm a square, you know. Of course, I don't, I'm not like, okay, I look like a narc. So I'm in there, I don't get no perks, I can't get a bed move. I have to like give a kidney to get a moved out of a room where I'm getting my ass whooped every day. But you have baby's kid come over here, throw a trash can at the cop shop, flip them off, tell them to, you know, and they get well, you get to move into the room with your girlfriend tonight, and um you guys get you guys get to have a uh igloo in your room full of ice every day. I was on the phone with somebody yesterday and I said baby's kid.

SPEAKER_05 59:08

They're like, what the fuck is that? I was like, Google it, baby's kids. Is it 1992? I said, I used to watch this shit with people. It was wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 59:16

It was a good one, it was fun. But you know, these are people with no culture, they don't have no exposure to the things that we've enjoyed in life, like babies kids. I lived with so many for so long, and they're the ones who get prioritized in the department.

SPEAKER_05 59:29

You act all facts, fucking facts. I'm gonna tell you a juicy story. I started at Centinella State Prison, regular normal gangster shit, GP. Yeah. And then I go to Donovan, oh, the circus, right? I see an inmate, a Samoan that I recognize from Centinella. I'm like, hey, what's up, man? Like, hey, what's up, dude? Oh, hey, what up, Farrell? That's my last name. You know, oh shit, you moved up the ranks. Yeah, what up, dude? All right, he finds himself an ad seg, this inmate. And then, like, he he refusing to give the handcuffs. Up and I'm like, what the fuck? I'm a lieutenant at this point. I go over there, I'm like, hey, dude, what hey dude, what's up? Like, what's up? Oh, hey, I'll hey, like, you know, like this is what I have to do. Everybody else is doing it to get what they want. I'm like, oh. I'm like, he's not wrong. He's not wrong. I said, dude, you're right. Like, I thought I'm like, dude, that's fucking that's fucked up. That's the truth. I go, give me back the handcuffs, dude, and we'll fucking figure this shit out, man. He's like, all right, fucking gave them to me. I'm like, dude, this place is so fucked up. It rewards the bad behavior.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

It does. It does. And there's, there's, there's, it, it, like, it's growing and growing. Like when the California model was popping before they just kind of radioed it. There's a lieutenant, I don't know, sergeant, a weak, weak individual, weak man. And I know he was taking 115s and knocking him down to 128s. I know that they weren't pushing their buttons during altercations because they didn't want Sacramento to know there was an alarm today. Um, but at the same time, this person's also sending emails back and forth to the PIO talking about here she goes on Fox again. There she's another interview.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

Oh, yeah, yeah. Look at what she's doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

Like, what is what get get out of here, man? But then you see me in my face and you would shake my hand and ask me if I'll help you, you know, with the California model going smooth in 5'11. I don't think so. Chuck. Yeah, no, I hear you. This is uh it's real weird, but I think overall, the bottom line is if you were to even have like a day of oversight in CDCR, we would be in a hundred percent better shape than a day of oversight?

SPEAKER_05 1:01:31

Like how much are you giving me? Like an eight-hour day, 12 hours. You gotta work a 16 hour day. If you give me a 16-hour shift from what, six to six, I could fuck a lot of shit up in six to six.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:41

I'm sure that you would find all of the unknown substances in CIW and figure that out. I'm sure you would, you know, make sure everybody is fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:48

I think to maximize my fucking like efforts and time, I would surround myself in a room full of competent people that I know in the department, and I would just start giving out orders like, hey, dude, I need you to handle this problem, you to handle this problem, right? Because I'm not gonna solve all the problems myself, but I know that these individuals are fully capable of utilizing their brain and experience.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:12

You know that many people in the department that have that.

PTSD, Harm Reduction, And Recovery

SPEAKER_05 1:02:14

You're you're right, you're right, you're right. It's actually small. It's small. You want me to be realistic and honest. Hey, Hector, how many competent, competent are there per institution on average? Fuck five. Dang. And I'm not even kidding.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:31

That's hard.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:32

But I'm talking about like competent, solid mother people that are just gonna be like, this dude has it, make it happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:39

What happened? Like, I think I feel like this is a reflection of a societal breakdown because I always consider that a prison is a cu is a microcosm of humanity as a whole. Like, there were times like when I got my face broken, um, my housing staff was like crying. They were like, Amy, just tell us who did it. They were so devastated. Like, there's not that connection there anymore, you know?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:03

Like, like five, five per institution. Damn. Competent, competent, competent for sure. Okay, okay. And if you want me to be like stretchy, like 10, let's just say there's 10, but the job's not gonna get done as good as this other person's gonna do it, right? I'm talking about like maybe five all-stars. Wow, like all-stars, all-stars, right? And but ultimately it's the all-stars that get burnt out because they're fucking carrying the dead weight of everybody else.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Right. I think there's like one, there's one really solid uh cop left at at CWF, and I mean, they're so lucky he's still there. Um but but how how how much can he do? He is one person.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:46

It's I don't even think that we have seen the result of all the last OGs leaving. Because how many percentage of OGs would you say are still around? Oh, maybe five percent because maybe eight, a good eight, seven per seven percent of OGs that really actually know. I'm talking about like early 90s motherfuckers that know they're gone, dude. But we haven't seen the result of them being 100% gone.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:16

Maybe what if they came back and did a mentorship program? Could they hold hands with the new staff?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:21

Because then it's also the ability, and again, dude, it's not that I'm knocking new staff. It's uh at this point, it is just whatever, it's just the truth. It's like I I don't know if they're capable of learning a new skill set. I don't know if they're capable of uh maybe if we put it on TikTok, they could understand. But do you understand what I'm saying? Like I can show you, dude. Like, hey, I'm gonna show you how to do the best pat down where you're watching me, right? Come here, get in on this, and then I leave and then they just fuck it all up. Shit the bitch.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

Yeah, because it has to be hand over hand. It's a cognitive issue. It's a cognitive issue. It's freaking crazy. Didn't I just show you how to fucking do this? And they're like this.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:58

No, I I'm on to something. When I was a sergeant and a lieutenant, like I said, uh Hector Hector didn't just get on the internet and just start getting screaming out answers. I did my due diligence within the department as an employee, and it was all uh leaving me fucking nowhere real fast. Technically, so is this, but at least at least it's fine. At least I'm now in the fucking prison setting, right? Yeah, but I used to tell these officers like, hey, dude, do not let these inmates walk right behind you. They would literally let them walk, pretty much tap on their fucking shoulder. I'm like, hey, what are you doing? Like, hey, that's weird, or it's dangerous what it is. Um I don't even want to and it's not paranoia, right? And it's not like stereotyping. It's like, hey, dude, do inmates stab COs in prison. Yes, they do. Okay. I don't know who which one is gonna do it, which one's not gonna do it. So it's just better to across the board have boundaries. Right? Boundaries are good, respectful boundaries. Even my little daughter knows about boundaries. I wish somebody would have taught me that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Maybe next time, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:59

To a degree, because my ex is trying to teach my daughter about safe spaces, and I'm like, nah, we're not doing that. We're not doing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:05

I hate that word so much.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

We're not doing that. So it's like a happy median. Like, hey, have your boundaries, but at some point you're gonna have to face the music. And the music's gonna suck at some times.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:16

But it's gonna happen and you're gonna be able to recover and you're gonna be healthier, stronger. Yeah, and it's not gonna, you know, make you have to be on medication or go cry or, you know, I don't know, whatever it is that people do now. Everybody's so soft. Um, I don't know. I tell people a lot, I go to Washington, D.C. a lot. Everybody could benefit from going to prison for about a week, maybe just a week. As an inmate or a CEO? No, as an inmate, everybody needs to get written down and understand.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:42

I don't know, man. I went to jail, I went to Imperial County jail for one week, and it sucked. Jail's really bad.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:48

I wish I would have gone straight to prison. I don't yeah, jail's disgusting. I I felt that's the most dehumanizing experience.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:55

I I sucked, especially coming out of the military. I I really felt the fact like, damn, I just fought for freedom, quote quote unquote, right? Even though it was an Iraq war over oil, which is a whole nother propaganda fucking.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:08

Yeah, the same one we're doing today. Okay, but sorry.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:11

But uh that lack of freedom fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:14

Yeah, and I don't think anybody can really value or understand how great freedom is until you've had it removed, until you've lost it. And I feel like that was one of the greatest parts of me going to prison was losing my freedom because I would have never valued it or respected it. It took me going to prison for five years to understand why my grandfathers fought, how what freedom really means to be completely deprived of that. And I mean, it's my own fault, but it it was so necessary.

Society’s Drift And Basic Humanity

SPEAKER_05 1:07:39

Like, and we'll talk about like sentencing laws. Since I've been on my podcast and I've talked to numerous former juvenile lifers, these 14-year-old kids, and again, I'm not making excuses for them. I'm not, you know, I'm not excusing any of their behavior or actions, but these 14-year-old kids got charged with fucking three life sentences plus 60. Like, three fuck, dude. Like, that's a child. Yeah, I understand. They committed, you know, the act of murder. Let's keep it real. But three life sentences plus 60, like, dude, and knowing what I know now about the human brain does not stop developing.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

And I promise you, that's real, because I was like two days shy of my 25th birthday, and my brain didn't work yet. It didn't work.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:27

I joined the army at 17. I was learning how to kill at 17, 18. I was watching my friends get killed at 19. I was watching civilians get blown the fuck up, destroyed, shot, worked in a prison at the age of 22, Charlie are level four, Centinella, violence, riots. So by the time I'm 26, I was fucking not wired correctly.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:48

Right. You started really early. I feel like your PTSD, like it's complex.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:52

It's complex and it was uh carried over from the military to CDCR. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:58

Well, yeah, because the abuse was the same. Like, like it, I I understand. I've been doing a lot of of reading and complex PTSD because I feel like that's what is currently, you know, the situation in in the women's prison. That's that's where they're at now.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:12

But do you want to know uh something crazy? Working for CDCR was more toxic than being in a combat zone for 13 months.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:25

I just I believe that 100%.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:27

That's worse. The the the being toxic in the toxic environment was fucking worse. And that's crazy to hear. Like, and and then we talk about complex PTSD, and now we're talking about mental health. In Iraq, you go for a year, you go for two years, or a year, you go for multiple deployments, you get to come home, it's over. When you're in a law enforcement career or you're an inmate in prison, you're living in that motherfucker every single day. There's a fucking alarm, there's a suicide attempt, there's a battery, there's a stabbing, there's a murder, there's whatever gassing. Oh. It is fucking a rape. And rapes happen. It is fucking constant. Boom, boom. Right? And that's what I enjoyed when I first left the department talking to a lot of these former inmates. I really enjoy this part. I enjoy talking to like people that are going through it because I've been there and I want to be their help. You know what I mean? Like, or an aid in a way.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:25

Because it helps to get like I used to tell my favorite little heroin addict, she had been through a lot of shit. And she was like 18. She was my little baby. She would run up on people and be like, I'm taking all our fades. And I'd be like, oh, yeah. But she she she didn't talk. And I said, You got to get all that stuff out. Yes. And we would call it black stuff. I would say, you got to get all the black stuff out of you because if you don't, it's gonna kill you. And then you have to remember you got to fill it back up with something good because it's just gonna get worse and blacker and uglier and it's gonna eat you alive. So talking is so freaking important. That's why I started my organization because I wanted to make sure women had somebody to talk to who could not make them feel like an idiot or who wouldn't laugh when um they tell me, Oh, I was at the gas station and I heard the bell go off of the car wash and I croned out.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:09

I hear that shit all the time. It's fucking say it triggers that fucking mind. Like, fuck alarm. And but it's important, like you just say it too, paying it forward. Once you begin the healing process and once you start to get healed and recover, pay it forward, right? Because you would be a fucking asshole to be healed and just be selfish and not want to help other people.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

Right. And that was the what that was one of the first things I thought of. I came home and I only did five years, and I was like, I'm weird. What's gonna happen to my friends that have done 20, 30, 40 years? They're gonna need some assistance because this is I feel funny. The grocery store was knocked down by my house. I started crying, like you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:43

It's a trip. I have a good rapport with those lifers that did 20 plus years. It's a fucking trip because like I feel it. I could feel like because again, my experiences of coming back from Iraq was identical. I felt like a fucking alien. Yeah, I was experiencing all that shit, and so I'm like, okay, I got I know where you're at, dude. Like, I got you, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:05

And I want to help prevent people from those pitfalls. Yeah, yeah. Because a lot of times it'll lead to what, like, like uh relapsing, relapse, self-medication, violence, or or that feeling like I don't belong here, suicide, I need to go back because I'm there's no place for me here.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:19

All of that is realistic.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:21

But how could we're I'm glad that you're a good guy. We're lucky, we're lucky to have you. This is this is so important for people to know there's still good guys left.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:30

And it's funny when you say that, or when somebody says like heck, you're a good guy, the only thing that comes to my mind is my friends that are tattooed on my back. They were my brothers in the army, they were my leaders, they were my brothers, they were in my platoon, they were killed in action, and I just remember them like again at a young age, like those were the epitome. Like those are the those are the best guys, those are the greatest guys, like those men right there, like they did the most, they're no longer here. And like I just every day I just try to I try to fill their boots, but I can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:05

You know what? That's so crazy. And you're you're what do you have on there too? John 13, 15?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:10

Uh John 15, uh 13. John 13, 15 or 15, 13, greater man love, greater love hath no man that a man laid down his life for his brothers.

Staffing, Training, And Risk

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

That's our Bible verse.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:20

1513.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:21

That's that's that's why it's just so everything that you've you've really put out there content-wise is so relatable because we feel the same way. You know, like even though these ladies can really drive me nuts sometimes, I just that's that's what I'm trying to do every every day. Because what kind of friend would I be if I if I didn't? And that's to me, that's the most important thing. I ain't got money, I don't have a lot, but I'm your friend. So when I say I'm your friend, it's a really big deal. Like, I'm I'm I'm willing to go oh for sure. 100%. I'm going to go.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:47

But that's pure though. That's pure, that's priceless. You can't put a fucking price tag on that. What good is it kicking in with a billionaire if you're a fucking scumbag and you're gonna fuck me over? You know what I mean? I don't need that shit.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:01

I'd rather have two loyal bums than you know what it just there's there's that I I would rather have quality than quantity. Exactly. Even at the end of the day, if it's just me and one or two, three people, I'm okay. It used to really bother me, like that everybody hates me now, or that the other orgs, you know, thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:18

Oh, I'm not even tripping on that, but I feel you because I went through it. I was fucking pissed. Like last month I was fucking losing my damn mind. Yesterday I was losing my mind. Because it's uh I don't want to say it's a thankless job, right? And we're not doing it for the fucking thank yous, but we also don't like it's almost like a obstacle or a challenge when people try to hinder our ability to help others.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:45

And it's just such such a turnoff. Like, why are you? I don't want your funding, I don't want your clout. Just I just want you to stay out of my way. That's all I want. Facts. That's all. And and and and I'm so cool. Like, even people who oppose legislation that I'm promoting or whatever, I'm not a politician. I'll still have lunch with you, I'll still give you a holiday.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:04

Because I've challenged all these people to fight, and none of them want to fight me.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:07

Well, I mean, I'll still get down in the parking lot. Be old, I'll I'm old, I'll pull every muscle in my body. I'll still get down if if it came down to me.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:14

But in 2026, I'm turning turning over a new leaf. Like, I'm chill, calm now. Like, I think I've established myself. Like, I think I've established my name, my character.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:22

But doesn't it feel like every five years or so you gotta get kind of crazy to mind?

SPEAKER_05 1:15:26

I'm cool, I don't want to get crazy no more. My whole life, I don't want to just want to chill.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:29

I might have a heart attack this time.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:30

I'm like, I want to chill. Yeah, I'm cool. Like, I got a daughter, I'm a softball coach.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:36

Oh and piece is like priceless.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:39

Serenity.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:40

It's so valuable. Serenity now being able to have that and and really be present in the moment instead of sane and serene. Oh, it's good. I I never thought I would get to this point where I could be present in a moment and really love and remember that moment because I've always been dual-minded someplace else, doing too much, moving too fast.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:02

And going back to like CDCR and what would I do if I was secretary? Uh, and I I understand addiction, I understand alcoholism, right? Uh I get it. I have 15 years of sobriety. I fucking get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:19

Do you think that like is there a way to the way things are, like, our state has abandoned clean and sober. It's all about harm reduction and misuse of substances. Like, is that re can we recover from that?

SPEAKER_05 1:16:33

We're gonna have to recover, we're gonna have to, but it's gonna take uh more than five years. Because this whole this whole thing has been happening. Manufactured for this whole this whole push has been going this way for over 10 years. So now you just have to push it back this way. Um and it's easy. You say it's your you man. What did you say is health reduction, risk reduction? Harm reduction. Harm reduction is a bullshit way of utilize my product, buy my product, and fucking make me rich.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

Yeah, you're gonna not die. You can keep getting high. You're gonna use my product and you're gonna keep making us money.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:10

Right. So all we have to be is like, no, just get to the source of the fucking problem. Okay, identify that, hey, there is a thing such as alcoholism and addiction, and treat it as such. Offer these programs. When they fail numerous times, there will be consequences. I mean, there has to be consequences to people's actions. That I've gone through consequences. I've been to jail three times, like, because of my alcoholism. My dad told me one time, Hector, haven't you realized that every time you've been to jail, alcohol has played a role? And I'm like, dang. I said, nah, I can't be the alcohol. Right? Because my because my brain was telling me it was not, but in reality it was. I just thought it was a coincidence, a horrible ass coincidence.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:53

But I mean, when you're ready and and you reach that point, you know, you see it. I just wish, like, I don't wish anything. It's gonna get fixed. This is gonna get better. There is no choice but up. Like, we can't go nowhere but up.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:06

And you know why I hope it does get fixed? Because my daughter right now is currently seven years old. What how awesome would it be for her to grow up in a similar time frame that I grew up in? With the um the benefit of electronics. Like that's awesome. You can watch fucking cartoons from your phone, from your watch. You can like, dude, you're you're a kid, enjoy life.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

And that's that's like like that's really what it comes down to, like being able to have quality of life. And we don't really it's slipping. It's slipping, and it we everybody's been so complacent, they haven't noticed, and it's now look at where we're at. It's very far from from where we want to be.

Collaboration, Hope, And Next Steps

SPEAKER_05 1:18:42

But I think But do you know what creates anxiety? So like we're naturally wired to be like cavemen, right? Primal. Hunt, gather, chase fucking saber-tooth tigers, hit them over the head with a rock. Right? We're prime we're we're primered, we're wired that way. Look at how far we are now, man. McDonald's drive-throughs, chicken nuggets, tick tock, dopamine, fast fucking dopamine. Like the attention span of chronic uh like uh pornography, addiction, alcoholism, the fucking vapes. Oh man. People can get high now with vapes when before I had to hide smoking weed, like with an apple or with a toilet paper roll and all this stuff. Yeah, so like it's fuck, dude. Your your ability to fuck up your brain fast is the it's limitless now.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:28

Yeah, and it's instantaneous. It's like uh idiocracy. It's that that movie. Oh, you gotta see it. It's so good. It's exactly where we're everybody's wearing Crocs in the future.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:39

Um and and and they have like I hope the fucking viewers understand though the reality of of what's happening. They have to sit there and be like, oh shit, this he's right. Like, fucking, they're right.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:51

We I mean people are dying because they're looking at their phones and they're walking into traffic and crashing cars, yeah. Walking off of cliffs. Come on.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:00

Or you will have somebody like with a gunshot wound, and instead of providing first aid, they're like video taping like game fucking asshole, plug my wound or put a tourniquet on.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:11

That's why I carry tourniquets in my purse, okay? Because I'm gonna be prepared. I mean, this this I don't I don't understand.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:16

No, no, society is wild. So like if I were to give a an if I were to give an example to like a nine-year-old kid, like, well heck, how is this supposed to be? Like, here's how it's supposed to be like you're supposed to be focused, you're supposed to be uh locked out. Locked in, yeah, uh engaging, acknowledging, uh responding, uh courteous, respectful. Uh you're supposed to put your foot, your phone down, especially while you're eating, right? And I'm guilty of being on my phone because again, I'm not perfect. I'm I'm I'm living in this world too. Like I'm part of this world, unfortunately. Yeah. But like if somebody's injured, you provide aid for them. You can summon assistance. If you have a cell phone, you call 911. Like these are things that are supposed to happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:02

But now you're a hero and you're some you know, good Samaritan miracle worker if you stop and have basic humanity for people, because it's unheard of, you know.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:10

I'm I'm like, what I mean, it and then the list is endless, man. You see somebody walking towards a door, you open that door before then, right? It's like, dude, you're on a date. You open your date's car door, you're walking on the right side of the road, like right.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:26

What happened? Walk on the inside, honey.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:28

All of this, like basic. And I still do all of this, right? Um, but that's because it's hardwired into me from being a kid, and my grandma taught me all this.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

I know you love your grandma. See, this that's something else too. A man who who loves the women in his life growing up, it's makes a huge difference. That's that's the one, that's like the last thing I'm gonna ask you. In the women's prison, there's like an epidemic of you know, staff that fuck around. Um, isn't there some kind of like test? Like, what if you know the test that they give 290s? Can't they administer that during training? There's nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:05

No, because I mean you think about police officers, they take polygraph tests and they fucking get away from the phone. Yeah, but you know what?

SPEAKER_03 1:22:10

Let me tell you something. These people are so dumb, they'll ask you, like, like we're the sheriff's department, have you ever had sex with an animal? Well, of course you're gonna say no, even if you did have sex with an animal, because what are they gonna do? Interview the freaking animal? But there's people who will straight up say, yeah, I mean, you gotta give the test to make sure you're waiting out those.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:28

No, there's no test for like a correctional officer.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:31

There's no test like a misogyny rate? How do we have to make sure that somebody doesn't like really hate women before they get assigned to go to the women's prison?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:43

No, no, that's fucking let me tell you something realistically. There is not a line of people signing up to be correctional officers. No, there's nothing. Right? It's not a desired post, it's not a desired career. I mean, they understand the average citizen understands like I really don't want to work in a prison. It doesn't seem appealing to me. So now you're pulling from a limited pool. Uh oh, you want to know something funny, crazy, weird, and wild? Since I've been on the internet for three years, I've kind of realized that correction officers are a special bunch, man, a special group. And to include myself, because that fucking job to want to work there, to be you have to be. I don't want to use the word crazy. I don't want to use the word crazy, right? Because I don't believe in those types of labels, but you have to be built a little different. Uh like almost a risk taker, for sure, a risk taker.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:32

Well, and then I keep forgetting, you know, that the men's prison, it's a war zone. You know, this is a place where there's levels of violence that people have no concept that they're facing.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:43

That's what I would look forward to as opposed to I would rather deal with that than to deal with some off-the-wall skid road type of behavior.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:51

Yeah, I mean, at least you know what you're walking into. You know what to expect, which is are uh you mean the women's prison or skid road?

SPEAKER_05 1:23:57

I mean, um women's institution, juvenile institutions, the S N Y EOP, those are too volatile. Those are too reckless. There's no control, it's impulsive. Right. Controlled violence is is I don't want to say controlled violence is awesome, but if you're gonna be comparing it to all of that, 100% it is. Any day of the week. Anyone will tell you that.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:18

I used to, there were days when I used to be in there and I would be like, there's just nothing makes sense here. I wish I could go to the men's prison. I wish I could because there was no, there was no there was no program or definitive um what uh what what other questions that those ladies have for me?

SPEAKER_05 1:24:35

Because I don't want them, I trust me, I check all my blocks. I don't want them to be like, well, you didn't ask him this, you didn't ask him this, you failed to ask him this, you really didn't push him on this.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:44

How do you how do you feel like uh do you equate like uh female and male prisoners as like the same wouldn't they're not, right? No, of course not.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:54

I mean, but that's just gender. That's just gender.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:56

No, it's sex. We don't have gender.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:58

That's just gender. So like I understand that women are emotional, and I told you this earlier. And they are. Uh, men are more like definitive when it comes to like uh we're being in charge of a woman's institution or being around female inmates. I would here's a crazy fucking thing is big first of all, I would not do it. Second of all, um, you have to take that emotion into consideration. You have to. It's not like you can't pretend that's not existing, right? But also at the same time, safety. I'm huge on safety, I'm huge on security, I'm huge on common sense, I'm huge on fairness, right? So I'm gonna like sit here, you're gonna be there. If you decide to have an outbreak or a you want to cry or you need some fucking fresh air, I don't like I'll have to look at the rule plan, right? The rules. I don't know if people can go out of bounds. I don't know if people can like, I don't know what the get down is per the rules. Right? I'm sure they people doing off the wall shit that they're not supposed to be doing. But hey, like if you have it coming, by all means, have you have it coming. You know what I mean? So yeah, do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:08

What what about like the the the consequences for both staff and for inmates? Like, would you you would uh clearly bring that back because there seems to just be uh a uh things are moving in the direction of we're not gonna deal with, like you said, we're not gonna deal with anything, we're not gonna have consequences, we're not gonna have write-ups, we're not gonna have drug tests, we're not gonna have anything, we're gonna sweep everything under the rug, including staff misconduct or whatever. Even though there's hundreds of lawsuits pending, we're just gonna pretend like none of this is happening.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:36

Like it's applying it correctly because you're saying right now staff misconduct consequences. I just told you they fired six correction officers.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:45

But that's that's like I mean, I've never heard of something so drastic.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:50

Exactly. Um, but they'd use those individuals as scapegoats, yeah, so that they can promote the chief to Warden. Uh yeah, just regular basic consequences, right? Nothing, not I'm not Hector is not here, or anybody whoever takes a position. There's fucking young officers right now that may be the secretary one day. That's an actual fact for sure. It's in their pathway. I'm not don't go in there and drop a fucking, don't go in there waving a sledgehammer. To me, that's the wrong way to approach life. That's the wrong way to approach prison. That's a wrong way to approach prisoners. That's the wrong way to approach your peers. Uh fucking speaking from experience, your spouse, you know, like learn from me. Like, I don't speak us. Just be fucking like calm, cool, collective, respectful, reasonable, and firm. Firm, fair, and uh consistent. That's what they used to teach you at the other.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:41

Consistency is so important. Like every parent I run into, every person that has a messed up kid, I'm like, consistency. If they're grounded, keep them grounded till they're done being grounded. You can't just be like not wanting to deal with them and say, oh, go ahead. You have to be very consistent. That's one of the most important things because that's what I think, you know, speaking from experience, consistency would have made a difference.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:04

No, I'm totally realistic. It's a ch it is, they it's a challenge, but like the whole system is fucked up right now. It's not just the female institutions. Every fucking prison's on fire right now in California. That's a fact. Escape attempts, escape attempts are the latest norm. It's like an image goes out to the hospital, it's just fucking run. You just can't help but fucking run. Like, and I'm not knocking them. I see what I see exactly what's going on. Hector, would you do the same thing? I'll probably do the fucking I'll make it away. I'll go.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:43

I'll run. And there's a lot of other stuff that goes on during medical transports. I mean, I think there's a lot of stuff that goes on during medical transports that they're not clocking. And I don't know why. I mean, it's not like they haven't been, you know, tipped off on those things.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:55

Here's the what you and I have going for us. One, we and you and I did not participate in the bullshit. Our names are not in any fucking litigation or catastrophe or chaos or murder or rape that transpired these last couple years. Two, well, one word one, one, we're not tied to it. Two, we've been consistently saying the same exact thing for the past three, four, five years. And three, women, we're fucking out of there. We're good. We're good. We're good. The system is not.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:31

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:32

And I just California is not.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:34

And I feel like the only way to save the nation is we have to save California.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:40

This shit right here.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:42

Because we're the pace car. We set the tone for everything culturally, politically.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:46

You know what? I don't even think we mention like your background, your former inmate for the California Department of Correction Rehabilitation. I was a former lieutenant, right? This is exactly what the establishment fears. People coming together at the bottom. They fucking fear it. That's their kryptonite. They want division.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:05

No communication. They want to separate people from the communication. It's so bad. But that's why these importance are these conversations are vital.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:13

We're making history right here in San Diego, California. That's a fact. Right, dude?

unknown 1:30:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:18

Do you agree or you don't agree? All the time. They always say something pushing. We're always trying to give people the best of money. 100%, bro. But we see it now, man. And this these these episodes will be historical. These will be these will be on YouTube. Like people will look back and be like, fuck, dude, they were fucking calling it all along. They were screaming it at our face and we refused to listen. But so yeah, do you have any closing words that you want to say or that you want to ask me?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:44

I just I I appreciate you to no end. You're always ready to go. Um we're really blessed to have you. And I know, you know, our paths cross for a reason. And um this is so much more than than it seems. I feel like like there's we have we've have assignments, you know, we've been given assignments, and I know you probably feel the same. You're answering to uh uh somebody way above secretary or governor. Uh and then our missions are gonna get completed because our our battles are won. We just have to keep showing up every single day, and and we do even on the the days we don't want to. And I'm I'm very, very blessed to know that that when the shit goes down and the zombie apocalypse comes, I'm on your team. Oh yeah, we're gonna have fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:36

I have all the tourniquets, um, horseshoes, bow and arrows.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:41

Yes, oh my gosh, yes, yes, tomahawks, we're gonna have fun. I have a professional slingshot with the with the you know the laser. Yeah, we're in cool. It's gonna be great. And you know, we'll know who to break out of prison for our team. It's gonna be it's gonna be good. Zone. This this is gonna be the zone.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:00

Temecula.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:01

Yeah, I've always said it.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:02

I say it on my podcast. They're like, heck, when are you gonna get the ranch in Temecula? I'm like, when I win my lawsuit, bro, don't treat.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:09

That's yeah, that's what I would have suggested too.

Closing Thoughts And Mission

SPEAKER_05 1:32:12

Wow. Now thanks for this opportunity. Um, I'm glad you put it the way you put it. You're like, hey, we've been given an assignment from from God in essence, and and you're right. Like, I've never felt like quitting, and I don't feel like we're gonna lose. I think that's what could get me waking up every morning and continuing because I I have that hope. For sure. I have that hope. I feel it. I can fucking feel that it's gonna get good. It's just we have to go through this, right? And we're going through it. It's gonna take work on your guys' half, behalf foot soldiers. Right? Cool. Well, there you guys have it. Something a little different, man. But hey, we're transparent here. We're real, we're from California. We're trying to change the world one story at a time. Love you guys, keep pushing forward.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:07

Living life long, never been taking from the hole to the pen. Story never ends up.