Inside the Mexican Mafia — Rene “Boxer” Enriquez Tells All

We sit down with Renee “Boxer” Enriquez to trace a hard turn from Mexican Mafia power to personal responsibility, exploring how trauma, politics, and choice shape violence and redemption. We share a step-by-step parole blueprint and a grounded view of what real manhood demands.

• mindset shift from notoriety to restraint
• videos to actives as rational exit ramps
• parole strategy across discipline, rehab, and psychology
• catch‑22 of active status and confidential 1030s
• prison conditions, ND yards, rising violence
• trauma roots, belonging, and identity grief
• real manhood as work, duty, and self-control
• reading rooms, spotting risk, and avoiding triggers
• advice for younger listeners glamorising gangs
• new channels, audience engagement, and giving back

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Transcript

Meet Renee “Boxer” Enriquez

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome back to our channels, Warriors. We are still growing today. One of the biggest bangers, man. This probably one of the wildest guests I ever had in this freaking studio. Today we have none other than Renee Boxer Enriquez, former Mexican Mafia member. Héctor Bravo on chaos is now in section. And the current friend of mine. What up, dude? Hey, brother.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

I love that intro, bro. It's just energy in it. It's like it grabs you. What about the current friend of mine, man? How do you how do you take that? Uh, you're my brother. That's right. You're my brother. You're not my friend. You're my brother. You know, there's very few people in my life. My circle is very tight. Uh, obviously, I have to have OPSEC, right? Gotta maintain it. So the people in my life are vetted and and they're tested and proven. And you're one of those individuals that I trust explicitly, uh, without reservation, without hesitation. And uh, and when you said that my friend, you know, there's sadly, my only friends now are cops.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

That's not sadly, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

No, no, no. Like everybody from the past, it's a testament to the past that those weren't really friends. Correct. You know, correct. That's the point I'm making. The cops are my bros, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19

But those are the people who have become my circle.

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Cops. I'm glad you said that because we're gonna dive into the mindset. The mindset of Renee Enriquez, right? Before I get started, how was your flight over here, man? Long or uh dude, the weather here is gorgeous, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Now I know why people envy California. Vacation, bro. I was on the balcony and my wife and I were admiring the sunrise. I was like, look at this. I want to come back. I can't. Obviously, I won't, right? Right, right, right. But uh thank you for accommodating and flying us out. I truly appreciate it, bro. Uh, it's a pleasure to be here. But it was gorgeous, dude.

Why Speak Out And For Whom

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Cool. Well, I want to jump right into it, dude. Mindset. I've been watching your episode, uh, Renee Uncensored on YouTube. You've been freaking killing it, dude. Could you walk me through the mindset? And I'm bringing this question up because I saw some of your videos, dude, where you had already crossed over and were already an informant for law enforcement. And you made a video for uh Popeye, was it? Yeah, Popeye Roman. And I as I watch your video, bro, I'm like, dang, dude, what you were doing there had to be so difficult, so difficult because nobody else was really doing that, and you really didn't have any support. What was driving you, driving you and keeping you alive, so to say?

SPEAKER_00 2:38

I think the driving force behind it was that I could reach somebody and and let them see that a different life was possible. Because I made a number of videos. I'm not gonna put their names out there right now, because some of them are still active, and those videos still exist. So I won't pull their covers, right? But the people that I thought that it would resonate with that had the intellect and and the compassion and and still maintain some of their their human dignity and their their humanness, right? They still had that, you know, they didn't have the dead shark eye look, and and and I thought that by reaching out to them and giving them hope, right? Because hope is a powerful motivator. And even if I never got out, because at that point I thought I was never gonna get out. I kept getting denied by the governor over and over and over. I wanted to just send the message like, look, there is an alternative. Just be at peace, being in peace by leaving, right? And that's that's what I tried to impart on Danny. Sadly, he didn't take the advice and they murdered him, you know, uh a couple years later. But this was years in the making. Years in the making. Danny's campaign was years in the making, like people were politicking on him from the day he got in because he was Puerto Rican, right? And I knew he had these adversities and these trials and these trim tribulations, and and he struggled, right? And he wasn't a good politician, you know. Let's face it. He was a bull in a china shop, right? He said what he said, he stood by his word, and he died on his shield. A wew, he died like a man, right? I wouldn't have, you know, that's some scary shit to go out there and say, murder me. Aquí stoy. I am right here. Kill me. Right. I'm going out of he did it. He did it.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

Oh, I know he did it. Yeah, he did it. You meant you said a lot of good things, man. I'm gonna try to digest it. You uh did you so you only made videos per certain individuals that you thought still had that humanity in them or had humanity side to them?

Videos, Flips, And Operation Roman Empire

SPEAKER_00 4:38

So the first two I made were for uh Angel Valencia, okay, Stump from Sangra, and Chino from Garrity, David Delgarillo, right? I knew David still had some compassion for life, right? Angel was just a bitter old guy who was never gonna get any better. He was angry, but I knew he was in trouble, right? And I told him why. I said, this is what's gonna happen, right? These are the reasons. I don't have any reason to lie to you. I'm dropped out already. Right. This is your best business move right now. Because I proposed it as a business move, right? If you look at it, like every intelligent businessman considers all their options before they make a decision. This is an option before you. If you refuse that option, hey, God bless you. That's your golden rainbow, that's your golden parachute, right? Ride that thing to the into the sunset, right? But if you're smart, this is an option. And and Stump took it, right? That moment that he saw the video and says, Okay, let's go pack my. He took it. He took it. Oh shit. Did you get informed that he took it? Right there. I was waiting in the IGI's office.

unknown 5:38

Holy shit, dude.

SPEAKER_00 5:39

I was going to the IGI's office every day, listening to the audio and doing their communications analysis. And then they showed uh David Delgadio Chino that same day, and they both came over. I'm in uh C-12, which was the PC unit, the debriefing unit, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:53

So you were doing this from Pelican Bay? Yeah. I didn't know. When you posted that video on your um YouTube, I thought you were in the feds at that point. Actually in federal custody.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

In that video, I was in federal custody housed at Anaheim, California. I was down with uh uh Anaheim PD, D E A, ATF. I was actually a CHS for them, and I was doing the communications analysis for Operation Roman Empire. So the the the IOs and the task force officers came and says, Hey, would you do a video for Danny? And I said, Yeah, I like Danny. Danny was my friend. Like there were very few individuals in the mob that I consider my friends. Danny Roman, Chewy Martinez, Widow Shy Shreyak, Black Damborella, and Nagro Bialba. That was my circle. Those are my peeps, right? Those are the guys that you couldn't do any wrong. I mean, if you weren't a rat, a coward, or homosexual, right? You were good, you know? And and those guys would they would die for you, you know. So so Danny was one of my friends. And um, and I figured, yeah, man, you know, his daughter's in a jam. He has the opportunity to lighten her burden. Uh, and he was on the cusp of doing it. Danny Roman was on the cusp of making the decision. He's he had tears pouring down his face when he was watching the video. Who let you know that? The IOS, the cops. They went and flew up to Pelican Bay while I was in Anaheim, and they came back the next week and it says, you know, we had him. We gave him a 24-hour option.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

And we told him after 24 hours it's off the table. Okay. And uh and they came back and he was crying. When they was watching the video, he was crying. When they came back, he was crying. And I don't think it was so much that, you know, um he was a broken man. I think he was crying for his daughter, Bianca. 100% broken.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Me being a father of a daughter, 100%. Yeah, he was crying for his daughter. Honestly, like where I sit in life now, I don't even think he chose a bad move. I don't think he did it uh, what is the word? Um, like malice against his daughter.

SPEAKER_00 7:50

There was no maliciousness in what he was doing. I think that he thought at the time, it's like, how is this going to blow back on my family? Oh, that's what he was doing. The repercussions. That's what I think his decision-making process was, right? Um, but everybody knows they don't go after family members. That's that's that's unheard of for the Mexican mafia. One of the only moral uh standings that I admire about the organization, they don't kill innocent people, they don't kill family members. I mean, if they're in the game in the game, they whack them, you know. Because they those people are making themselves available to the organization, right? They're playing the game. So if they're still espousing my my philosophies or supporting me, then boom, they take care of it. And it has happened.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

It has happened in a number of times. Especially in the near future, in the recent future. In the recent past, it has happened.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Yeah, it's happened. Uh Carmen Rodriguez, uh, there's a couple of people it's happened too. Bubbles, one of the girls that we did bubbles uh and the Fox Tapia calls, she got nailed. Carmen Rodriguez got nailed. Uh, there's a there's a few people that have been eliminated in this process.

Dead Shark Eyes Explained

SPEAKER_01 8:53

You also mentioned the terminology dead shark eyes. I know what that is, you know what that is. For somebody that's never been around death or embraced death or been in a violent environment, can you break that down to an average viewer? Hey Warriors, if you haven't already signed up for our all new website, HectorBravoshow.com, make sure you sign up at the link below, HectorBravoshow.com to watch explicit, uncensored, never before seen prison footage. With that, love you, keep pushing forward.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

I think that um in Vietnam they called it the thousand yard stare. For combat veterans, it's the thousand yard stare. Where there's there's dead pan eyes. You can look into a man's eyes and you see death there, you see violence, you see extreme ferocity, and you see a lack of compassion. Where you look into a shark's eyes and they're dull and they're dark and they're deadly. So that's the look that some Carnalists get, like Guategarjeta, Angel Adventure. Oh yeah, he had he had marble eyes. They were just brown and dark and evil. You look into his eyes and you say, This is an evil man right here. Did Alfie Sosa have that? Alphi Sosa had it. Alfie Sosa was a literal serial killer.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

I've watched your episodes and I kind of put that two and two together, especially uh hearing some of his stories, those stories.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

There's multiple members that had like uh Weddow Shine. Um he had maybe a half dozen murders under his belt. Uh but I I think the definition of a serial killer is a little bit different, right? There's some kind of feelia attached to it, right? Like a uh either a sexual component or or and I'm not gonna get out of my depth, right? Because I'm not gonna uh I'm not gonna uh make a statement that I can't support with with like empirical data, like scientific data. So I think that they are repeat murders rather than serial killers. So I'll correct that right now before I get called in the comment section a thousand times.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Dude, I would give up on the comment section, bro. They'd be truly they'd be talking shit and telling lies in the comment section. I love the comment section.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

I love the comment section. You look, I this is how I feel, right? This is how I truly feel. Yeah that they invest time into your channel by listening to you. I'm talking about the haters and the trolls. Yeah, I'm not talking about the good, you know, loyal supporters. I let some of those guys through just so I could talk back. Just so I could like come on, bro. Turning over a new leaf in 2026, bro. You know, but little do they realize they're feeding the algorithm and they're feeding your channel by watching the video. So God bless them. True. That's a nice Christian way of saying, God bless them.

SPEAKER_01 11:33

I like that, man.

SPEAKER_00 11:36

And we could all read between the lines.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

100%. Yeah. So I want to get into your mindset. Your mindset, dude. You're clearly a freaking changed man, bro. I even commented on how you were dressed. I said, dude, you're you look hip to it, man. You're blending into society, you're you're modern, right? So I've seen your changes. I mean, you got the we got the book, A Black Hand right here, dude, and blasted with a hand. Many pictures of you with a brocha, you know, like the whole you were it. Take me in so you've grown intellectually and as a man. Take me into the your mindset when you were in the jail when you stabbed that individual. What was your mindset?

Reckless Violence And The Death Row Mindset

SPEAKER_00 12:16

Reckless? Dangerous? Definitely dangerous, reckless. I didn't care. I didn't care if I was caught, I didn't care if I was convicted. I wanted to be convicted, I wanted to go to death row. I wanted to die on death row. That was my whole goal. Like, I wanted to go to death row and be a Mexican mafia member that gave his life for the organization because I was a true believer, you know, and and and and that was my whole objective. Like when we stabbed Mon Buenostro, we did it in front of like 50 cops in front of an attorney room and just stayed on this guy, right? And uh and we were just rooting on him, you know, just boom, plunging to the hilt. You know, I could feel my hand hitting his were you restrained? No, we came out, we had handcuffed keys, we came out of him. And uh the whole objective was to kill him. It wasn't to check him or remove him or put him on disregard. That crap didn't exist in my heyday. Right. Like if you got targeted, you're gonna get eliminated. And and it's gonna be a null holds barred attempt to take you out. Was he a member? He was a made guy, yeah. Okay. He was a made guy. He was in the feds, he came down from the state, they subpoenaed him, and he had a state sentence too. He had did Fed time before that. He was in a state sentence. Uh, thankfully, he's paroled. Uh, he's living his best life now as a grandfather and great grandfather, and God bless him. I'm glad he didn't die. But my mentality was to kill. I didn't care who it was, I didn't care who saw. Right. And, you know, um that was that was who I was. I didn't care about. You know, I talk about people that I do episodes on, right? Like they don't care who gets indicted, they don't care, and I didn't care. I was the same despicable individual that they are, right? I'm not far removed from that, right? Uh but at least I chose to extricate myself from the cesspool while they still swim in it. I think that that's the differentiation.

SPEAKER_01 14:21

Looking back in hindsight, what do you think caused that mentality? Lack of experience, lack of education, lack of knowledge? Oh childhood trauma. Childhood trauma. Childhood trauma, bro. You want to elaborate?

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yeah. As much as you can or so comfortable with. Dude, I I mean, this is I've testified to this uh 65 times. I've testified to the board. It's been published in LA Times. I was sexually abused as a child. Okay. So I think that immediately made me seek out acceptance from others because I lacked a lack of self-confidence. I became a people pleaser. So I wanted to belong, and I never felt that I belonged. And then when I joined the gang, I excelled at that. Like I was accepted, and they accepted me for my idiosyncrasies and my flaws. Whereas mainstream community and society, they reject you for those things. Right. So I took that as a driving like fuel for me, right? Like I could do this well, man. I'm down with the hood, I put in work, I'm a respected homeboy, and then I go to prison. So those things, I didn't understand that my psyche was driven by the need for acceptance, right? I didn't understand that until years later until I went to therapy. But that was the same thing in prison. But at this level, from a gang member to a drug user and a criminal to a Mexican mafia member, it's exponentially higher, right? And then the dysfunctional thinking, the abnormal thinking on my part was like, well, fuck it. I'm I'm gonna go to death row. Right. It's insanity, is what it is. And I'm not judging you. No, no, no, just observing. No, that it really was insanity, right? I mean, not the the clinical sense of insanity, but it's insanity, right? The whole process, the whole process whole self-sabotaging, self-destructive behavior. Self-destructive behavior. Like I remember ODing multiple times, and I think I was subconsciously trying to kill myself, right? I think that the the outrageous hits. Outrageous hits. Outrageous are some hits more outrageous than others? We got a 22 in the county jail. Uh 22. I had it smuggled into the county jail, and we were gonna shoot Vessi Sagato, Mexican mafia member, in the back of the head. I don't know why I'm laughing, dude, but that is fucking nuts. Dude, that that I didn't even know that. The audacity, right? Like, like my whole thing was this like the mafia had been the secretive organization that extorted people here and there, right? And and was really secretive, was talked about in hush undertones and whispers, right? I wanted the forefront. You're gonna know who the hell we are. Tip of the spear. Yeah, you're gonna know who we are, and when we come, it's gonna be shock and awe. And then when we leave, you're gonna be a quivering mass of gelatin. Either we're gonna eliminate you or you're gonna be so afraid of us. It's part of war, Sun View. Yeah, yeah, it is. It is overwhelming showful.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Doesn't matter whether we're in the army, military, or what you just said, it's art of war, Sun View.

SPEAKER_00 17:10

Yeah, yeah. And and that, and that was my whole concept. And I think the Carnadas of my era grasped that concept, right? We were the we were the new, we were the vanguards of the contemporary Mexican mafia, right? It's a different thing now. Now we're talking about egg regeneration and social media and the whole nine yards, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Oh, I've been observing.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

Yeah. So, but back in that time, we were doing things that were unheard of. Like our objective in getting to 22 was to shoot a guy in the head in the county jail, in the most secure section of the county jail, so that we can get on world news and say Mexican mafia will blow your brains out, even in the county jail.

Childhood Trauma And The Need To Belong

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Dude, probably like your generation of the Mexican mafia. It was similar to like uh WWF, the raw war zone days when it was wild, man, and the 90s Los Angeles gang phase that it went through. I think there's certain times in history and the global war on terrorism, the beginning of the war. I think there's certain times that are just freaking they're historical is what the f what they are.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

I think that a lot of the things we did were historical. They'll go down in the annals of of of uh the Mexican mafia is some outrageous stuff.

SPEAKER_01 18:16

And we're not glorifying by any means. Oh no. I know you don't like to glorify, but we're simply uh like capturing history.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

You know, I I always make it a point to say that I don't glorify this because I'm not proud of it at all, right? Uh I think most of what I did was shameful. I'd be lying and say that I was ashamed of everything I did, right? Because I think some of those people needed a good killing.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

I think I've heard you say that before, dude.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

I apologize to the audience. But it's a reality, right? Some of those people needed a good killing, right? And and you know, I I think part of it too brings me back to my my wife, right? My wife. I I remember talking one day, and I'm talking just like this. And she says, How can you speak so cabillarily about murder? Right. What's the matter with you, right? And I said, You don't get it. You know, this is what I did, right? And then I was speaking off the cuff about F them, NHI, no humans involved. We're just killing mobsters, right? And and she lashed out, like, how dare you? How dare you say that? What would you do if somebody killed me? What would you do if somebody killed one of your sons? And it took me aback. Like, and I and I always quote this because it's it's a humbling thing, it's a grounding thing, right? And then it happened to me. You know, I won't speak about it too much here, right? But it happened to me. I experienced that, right?

SPEAKER_01 19:34

And it just then you know Yeah, dude. And again, I'm sorry for your loss, and I totally um hear what you're saying, dude. Do you believe that um Weddle Shy, did he take you under his wing, so to say? Oh yeah, I mean he was my de facto uh padrino. Do you believe that that gave you juice or put uh like a target on your back from the haters? I think I heard you skirt the the the the this topic. Yeah, I I I became a target, like Baby.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Why because you were a fave like the Golden Boy? I was little shy's golden boy. Me and Negro were his golden boys, right? We're his homeboys, and everybody knew that he skirted, he circumvented the induction process and got us in backdoor, right? Oh, he did. Yeah, he had uh sloppy coronel more sponsor me and he had Black Damborella sponsor uh negro, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Was the voting system different back then versus what it is now? Because I think now if you get one no, that's a no-go.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

It's it was then the same way then. Yeah, yeah. But here now, now you have to have righteous reason, right? And and it could be campaigned against. It's really highly political now. Whereas before I was like, I say no and that's it. And and he was done, right? He was done. But Widow Shy backed Orta Sin. We were his golden children, and and that meant we we immediately absorbed the enemies that Widow Shy had, which were the Titans, right? They were the Titans. Kilroy Royball, uh Bebito Alvarez, uh Wido Gorjeda.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

What would cause a titan to dislike uh another member or a newer member?

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Anything it doesn't it it doesn't take much to be targeted by the organization, right? It could be like you voted against something they wanted done, or you're close with this carnal and they don't like that carnal. It's it really is like high school politics, like uh uh the nerds and the and and the jocks and and the hippies or whoever whatever they call themselves today.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

You know that that type of behavior amongst humans is the same across the board military, law enforcement, gangs. Yeah. I've observed it, man. Yeah, I've been involved in it.

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Yeah, you had a lot of experiences like that too in your own career. So you can identify. Identify with exactly what I'm saying, right? So so for me, I mean, uh being targeted, I got targeted early on, right? And um early on, so it was an uphill battle? Oh yeah. As soon as as soon as I went to the hole, Bebito and Kilroy were saying F Rene, but they're saying F boxer, right? And then I saw Widowshy later on and they told me, yeah, they're talking about you. He said, he said, F those guys. So when the opportunity came up to hit those guys, I jumped at it. I jumped at it like, oh well, that's part of the game.

Shock And Awe: Notoriety As Strategy

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yeah. That's part of the game. And that's why I would say it's better just like when you have power to just be cool and and kind of humbled, right? So you don't piss anybody off on any side. What is that? No, that's the keypad to the door. Um hundred percent. Okay. So we talked about your mindset in the jail doing that the freaking kamikaze mission. Your your mindset, the fucking torpedo, literally. What about the mindset when you're making videos for your fellow former brothers? I want to know the mindset there. Were you feeling lonely? Were you feeling lonely?

SPEAKER_00 23:30

No, no, no. I was I wasn't feeling lonely, you know. And and and a lot of the videos I do today, there's an underlying uh subliminal message to the members, right? Uh a lot of people have told me in comments that actives aren't even allowed to watch my channels in prison, right? Well, they're watching it, bro. Oh, I'm sure they're watching it. Everybody's on the channel.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Did he mention me? Did I make it? You know, there's a whole thing, there's a whole theory, F Barbara Streisand theory where you tell somebody not to watch it and then they watch it.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's like subliminal. But uh the whole thing is uh it's there's a message in there, right? Like I just did one for Henry Carlos. He went up for parole and got denied seven years. And seven-year denial is pretty harsh because it's usually a three-year denial. Uh BPAs can deny you for three, five, seven, and fifth, ten, and fifteen. Seven years is a pretty harsh denial, right? So I gave my advice about how to address it, how to do it. And there and there really is a message because the next guy coming up is Marquis Quitos, Turtle from Colton, right? And and Donald Galas, Stoney from Bancho. You know, there's there's a method to this, right? It doesn't just happen. You don't get lucky. There's a science to gaining parole. There's a science to being granted, and there's a science to overcoming the governor's reversal panel. So I did a video, and my mentality in doing these videos is like speaking to them like a human being. Like, okay, you want to kill me? I get that, bro. When it happens, it happens. Uh, but until that point, you can live a different life. It's available to you, all it takes is the decision. Maybe you'll never get out of prison, but you'll never have to fear the politics again.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Give us a cliff uh uh trust me, I am tracking you 100%. Give us the cliff notes of the plan to get out.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Um first, it has to be disciplinary free behavior. Okay, right? You have to have clean time, right? There can be no substance abuse. Okay. You have to achieve uh re uh rehabilitative milestones, right? Like participate in self-help group, uh, advance academically, vocationally, you have to advance as well. You have to have some kind of certification that shows that you can support yourself. If you're gonna go out there and do HVAC or or whatever uh uh uh vocations they offer, welding or whatever it is, right? Uh but there's also the interpersonal development, you have to understand what insight is. You have to understand what causative factors are. Like, what are the causative factors that drove you on this path? Just like you asked me a little while ago. That was a causative factor, right? They say, well, what drove you on this path to participate in such violent behavior? Well, I was abused as a kid. And some people may say, well, how does that make you kill somebody, right? But that's a that's that's a trigger point, right? That's what we say.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

It's the way that the brain gets rewired.

Power, Politics, And Targets Inside

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah, you rewire and you adopt all these antisocial behaviors, right? And then you have to understand uh those causative factors inside. You have to have remorse. You have to show uh reconciliation, you have to attempt reconciliation with the victims. You can't write them, but you can write letters and have them placed in your central file. I actually wrote to the judge uh who was the district attorney at the time, Frank Johnson, out of Van Nuys Court. I wrote him letters and says, Uh, Your Honor, I don't know how else to do this. I cannot write the victims themselves, uh, and I don't want to attempt that. Uh, but I wanted you to know I did this. If there's any way that, you know, if you think it's appropriate, you know, give them to them. So when the victim started saying, like, he's never attempted this, he's never done that, that was all BS, right? I really did make an attempt. But beyond that, beyond that, the process for the BPH, the Board of Prison Hearings, the parole board, is really stringent. It's not a cakewalk. These are like former prosecutors, psychologists, sheriffs, uh CDC uh administrators. They're in there evaluating you, and they understand what manipulation is. I dare say that very few people get away with manipulating. Um, but the next part is the fad, right? You get all this stuff done. You do the disciplinary free period, you do the rehab, which is these inmate-led self-help groups, right? They don't offer real therapy in there.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

And that's what most people You said they don't offer real therapy in there?

SPEAKER_00 27:44

No, not for uh non-CMS or non-EOP.

SPEAKER_01 27:48

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:48

They do for those people, but it's chemical therapy.

SPEAKER_01 27:51

Oh, so you're referring to like they don't offer like one-on-one therapy, they offer self-help groups on a GP yard.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

On a GP yard or uh NDS yard or an SMY yard. This is like N-AA, right, C G A, which I think is a crock of shit, right? What is CGA? CGA? CGA, Criminal Gangs Anonymous.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

They go on the premise that criminal and gang behavior is an addiction, right? Now, call me crazy, you know. I'm just old guy with a GED, high school dropout, right? But I read the DSM 5R, DSM Diagnostic of Statistical Manuals, 5th Revised Edition, the Bible for Psychology, right? Yeah. And gang behavior is not an addiction, bro. And I'm not powerless over my addiction. And I am not an addict. So, like the 12 steps of NAA, I tell them, like, no, I'm not powerless over my addiction. I stopped using 19, 20 years ago, and and I'm not an addict today. You may consider yourself an addict. I'm not an addict. I'm done. And I'm seriously done. I don't need to go to 12-step meetings, I don't need to do that. So I think for some people it works great. And if you find you're grounding in that, it works great.

SPEAKER_01 29:07

But but for me, those groups are you conf yeah, I'm not saying you confuse me because you were talking about gangs anonymous, gangsters anonymous. But I I myself am an alcoholic with 15 years of sobriety, and I do attend AA, and I'm not breaking my anonymity or the anonymity of the group because I'm self-divulging. But alcoholism, I believe it's an addiction, it is an actual thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Oh, it's uh it's a psychoac psychoactive substance, right? It is an addiction, it truly is an addiction. Right. I don't believe with the therapeutic approach in NAA. Not in a prison setting. Right? Not in a prison setting? Not in a prison setting. Why is that? It's bullshit. I see guys in their passing dope. I hear what you're saying. Jockeying for position. I'm gonna be the president of the group because all my friends are gonna be all the executives. Okay, so it's just okay. And then here's the thing is there are no true sponsors. The sponsors of those groups are CDC officers' wives, girlfriends to get the overtime. There's no funding for rehabilitation in CDCR. I'm glad you specify that, dude. Now it makes total sense and you're 100% correct. Yeah, there's there's I mean, nobody's there because they're a sponsor and they believe in the program. You have uh an adversarial individual like the sister of a captain who sponsors the group to get overtime, right? They're not there because they believe in who we are in our rehabilitation, or they believe in the program at all. They're there to make money.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Well, let's change gears a little bit. Rehabilitation, man. How long have you been out now on the streets? Uh in July, it'll be four years. Four years? Yeah. Time flu, man. Time plastic when you're having fun, bro. Flu. Yeah. You've been monitoring, I'm sure, what's been going on current, present times in the California Department of Corrections. I have. Your observation, what do you make of the system current status? It's chaotic.

Leaving The Life And Talking To Actives

SPEAKER_00 31:05

It's in crisis, bro. It's in crisis, bro. I mean, 98 murders, two date, 100, 100. Oh my god. 100. See, I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

They're not putting it on the internet. Yeah, I'm sure. These dudes are getting beat into a coma. They pull the plug, and CDCR is failing to publish the death.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

That's but they're still deaths. We know they're deaths, right? Correct. And that's not even taking into account all the fentanyl overdoses and overdoses that occur throughout the state of California. And suicides. And suicides, right? There's a there's a real crisis going on. I think it's a it's critical mass right now. I I think that somebody with a good mind is gonna file a lawsuit, and uh if they haven't already. Um and and I I think that look, far be it from me to criticize an administration that is ran by individuals with PhDs and MBAs and all this good stuff, right? But I know that something's wrong. Uh something continues to be wrong with the NDH program. Uh, and that they're placing individuals in severe jeopardy, including the activist who don't want to be on the yards.

SPEAKER_01 32:16

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Forcing their hand. Can you see me? I think we broached this before. Can you see me? Which actually almost happened. There was a captain in Ironwood. I'm gonna do an episode on it sooner or later. He did not like me, so he wanted to put me to a non-designated level three, non-designated yard. Um, and essentially get me killed. 100%. You know. Thankfully, the SSU stepped in and the director's office stepped in and says, no, you're not doing that, bro. You're not doing that. So, but here's a hypothetical.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Can you say that you got lucky, dude, because I'm surprised the SSU stepped in and the administrator stepped in.

SPEAKER_00 32:55

I I think it's because I had such credibility with the federal agencies. I had established my credibility in prosecutions with the United States Attorney's Office and the District Attorney's Office. I did, you know, like 60 trials. And and I don't I don't think I'm any different from any other witness, but I think that the CDC, the administrators, like at the director's level, the secretary's level, understood that if I got whacked out, it was going to be bad. You know, maybe, maybe they wouldn't have done anything. Well, an HI they would have said, you know, but I think that there would have been a media backlash. Is it almost a high notoriety case? Yeah. Well, I was a pick case. Were you high notoriety? I was a uh a pick case, public interest interest case, it's special classification by CDCR. And and they didn't want that to happen. They did not want anything to happen to me. So they essentially gave me a whole yard. You know, Ironwood State Prison was the only place in California that I can go. And it and they got this thing called 812ing there, right? Yeah. Guys will drop kites on you to get you off the yard wall. In that specific yard, because I couldn't go anywhere. Throughout the state of California, thousands of people had 812 me. That's a thing, yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:05

It's a thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

That's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

Especially, especially members. Former members is fucking the whole list, multiple pages of lists.

SPEAKER_00 34:12

So in this yard, they would a guy with A12 me. You know, he's gonna get killed.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

Dudes that you never even met. Or they just know your name and they just put their name out there.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

They throw my name out there. So what they would do is they would remove them from the yard. And they call me in the office and say this guy A12 me, we remove him from the yard. Okay, cool. And now I see these guys on social media. He ate 12 me. He got me off the yard, like, I don't even know who you are, bro. Right. I don't even know who you are. I've seen guys doing videos. I mean, like, oh yeah, he did this. I don't even know the guy.

SPEAKER_01 34:42

Well, as a former employee myself, we would tell the dude, hey, give me a name. Just give me any name, and I'll freaking put him on your A12. Yeah. Just so just to get a dude off of a yard or move him. Yeah.

The Parole Playbook And Psychology

SPEAKER_00 34:52

So that is a thing, man. It is, it's a horrible thing. You know, I think we digress from that that one last thing on the board. You said, what, what, what, the, the, the board thing? And and it's the fad, right? The what? The fad. What is that? Forensic assessment division. That's where you have to have a psychological evaluation. Prior to the board hearing? Prior to the board hearing. And there's three scores you can get high, moderate, or low. High is a pearl killer. Moderate sometimes a pro killer, right? So you have a clinical psychologist coming and evaluate you, and then they strip out your soul, bro. What do they evaluate? Where what location do they evaluate? The prison you're at? They come to see you and they spend like three or four hours just talking to you? On the day room or in a private setting? No, a private setting. You go to like the boardroom. Okay and uh you go to the boardroom and they have a little office with you, and uh it's nerve-wracking, bro, and it feels so adversarial, like you're walking in a field with landmines.

SPEAKER_01 35:51

Why?

SPEAKER_00 35:52

Because you know anything you say can or will be used against you.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

And they're looking for that one thing, right? They're looking for one thing to to implode your parole with. Because the whole thing is not geared towards advocacy, it's adversarial. You're it's all against you. It's all against you. Why should we not let this guy out? Why should we not? Let's find the reason not to let him out. That's that's the thing. Not let's find the reason to let him out, let's find the reason to keep him in prison, right? And and if you get past all that, the fad, you get past uh rehabilitation, you're disciplinary free. If you're active, you're never getting out. There's been not one active member that's been paroled from California Department of Corrections. Member? Member. Okay. Or high-level associate. Nobody's got parole.

SPEAKER_01 36:42

Okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Not that I know of. Not that I know of. And if you go to the board as an active, what's what's what's the parole killer that hits everybody? CDC 1030s. Confidential information. You don't know what it is. Every year I went to the board, they do these 1030 disclosures, right? They call me into the office, they give me sheets of paper and says, you know, you have 67 confidential disclosures in the past six months, and they're gonna use these at the board. And every time it would send this trepidation through me, like, oh God, oh god, what are they saying, right? Until finally the board said, these are historic and they're never gonna stop. Not on you. We know that you're not doing this, right? Yeah, but for these guys that are active, how are they gonna say that? See, I'm an active Mexican Mafia member, but I no longer participate. I think the thing for them to do it's almost like a cat to catch 22. Oh, yeah, it's it's it's they're doomed. You can't adamantly say you're not involved. I think the thing for them to do, and this is what I told them on my show, um acknowledge membership. Acknowledge membership. And then acknowledge participation in criminal behavior. Past? Past. But they have to be clean because you can't get past that part. That's the first step. Acknowledging membership. Yes, I was a member of the Mexican Mafia. I still am a member of the Mexican Mafia. I no longer participate in criminal activity. And I know that may be hard to believe, but I'm in a sense retired. And the organization has endorsed that. That's the only way they'll ever get parole.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

If it works, I don't think it's gonna work. Just the way you told me that, man, I don't think that would work either. Because fuck, dude. So that's fucking crazy because then they would have to denounce their membership.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Denounce membership. I no longer participate with those people, I don't associate with them, and they're gonna counter. Then what are you doing on the general population uh yard with active Mexican mafia members? It's a catch-22 all the way around. I think the only way they're gonna do it is to divest themselves from membership, separate themselves.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

Okay, damn, dude, because I'm all about helping people too. You drop subliminals, I drop subliminals. And we're basically trying to give them the way out. Give them the way out. There's a way out. There's a door.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

There's the fucking way through the door. And I think that this is the great exodus. Yes. Thousands of people, I think that's like 1700 people got paroled last year, lifers, right? Oh, bro. And I'm just I'm just a spitball guesstimation, right? Yeah. From the last stats I read a couple years ago. Um, but at some point, they're gonna stop doing this. Correct. They're gonna stop granting paroles, and then the gates are gonna shut because in my era, that's a fact, you couldn't get parole. I mean, uh, I don't know if you remember Greg Davis, who was a governor here in California. He said flat out, Ain't no murderer ever gonna get paroled and my watch. Then he retracted in the LA Times. No, no, no, I was misquoted. I didn't mean that, but it was Arnold Schwarzenegger that kicked it off. He started letting out people. I think he let out 24 people and and his tenure. And then the next governor came along, and then Gavin Newsom, Jerry Brown, and then and then Gavin Newsom just opened the floodgates up, right? That's gonna stop. Gavin Newsom's not gonna be the governor next year. I I dare say that a conservative Republican might might be the next governor. I I think that Chad Bianco's got a good shot at it.

Catch‑22 Of Active Membership

SPEAKER_01 40:08

So do I. Um I was gonna say that the reason why we feel hopeful enough to leave subliminals and aid other men in their parole from prison is because we know that they're old and that they're tired. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. No, they they just kind of don't have the means or the forethought on how to cross that next level.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

You know, it's so difficult to destroy yourself. You built this whole persona, right? It's really just a facade, it's just a mask, right? You built this whole thing up, and it's really difficult to commit suicide when you're living. Correct. So you gotta kill yourself. Correct. And that's hard to do for me. I mean, I shed tears. It was it was really difficult, right? It was it's uh like, man, I I got three life sentences for this. I I killed for this, and and now I'm just walking away. I'm gonna be a rat. I'm gonna be a coward. They're gonna call me all kinds of messed up stuff.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

You were jet skiing yesterday, bro. Awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

I mean, the truth is the truth. Right? You can't you you can't compare this to that. I mean, that is hell. That is hell. It's like you're not living, you're existing. Now, and now I'm living, right? I I got up, I seen the strawberry, yeah, uh sunrise, uh uh a vanilla sunrise this morning, and and I was like, oh my god, God is good. You know, God is glorious. I'm seeing this, I'm not supposed to be here. I should have died in prison. I should never should have been let out, but but God and all his compassion and charity let me out. You know, he let me out, and and I'm I'm living life now. He even did more than that.

SPEAKER_01 41:52

He gave you the ability to touch the untouchables to get through to the hardest people that need to hear it the most.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

I I would hope that somewhere one of the Cornanos is listening that has a disciplinary free period. Like I know uh Gabby from El Monte Flores took the advice of uh dropping out and he dropped out and parled. He did. In a relatively short period of time, within five years he pearled. He did. He did. It wasn't my advice, it was advice from the IGIs that got him to flip, right? And the thing, dude, that like the dude, because we're smarter than the average bear.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

We're not reinventing the will. You just have to follow the path that somebody else did. They've already done it. Same with building a business. According to my wife, I'm not smarter than the average bear. Oh, bro. I don't even have a we're me and my ex are no longer together. But I'm sorry to hear that. I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm stubborn, man. Yeah, hard-headed.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

Yeah, there's a template. There's a template. There's a way out. I mean, the door's wide open, and it it and all you gotta do is do what they say. Stop breaking the rules, stop killing people, stop being a mobster, stop shooting dope. Let me ask you this home.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

You stabbing a dude in jail, did that make you a man?

SPEAKER_00 43:05

No. No, it's that's cowardice, dude. I mean, anybody can pick up a knife uh and stab somebody. Um I think that a lot of those things, people look at them like you're you're getting down for the glory of the mariposa, right? There's no money involved. There's there's this glorification status that you get, like you put in Hadley for the for the click, right? You put in for the Los Famosos, right? That's what they call themselves, Los Famosos. Um and there's this status that you get with that, right? But and you look back in it, man. I mean, how how courageous is it to take a knife and go stab somebody who doesn't have a knife? When you put it that way, it sounds kind of fucked up. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. And now now exacerbate that with two individuals jumping on a guy with bone crushes. That's double fucked up. It's double. It's double, it's a double way. I mean, dude, there's nothing. Right. I think being a man, and I really mean this, is getting up in the morning at five o'clock. Busting your ass, coming home dirty, not making enough money and paying the bills, working. I think those guys are men. I think those guys that that sacrifice they wear the cheap clothes so they can buy their daughter good clothes or they can buy their son good clothes and or or pay for his pop orner. Those guys are men. That's what a real man does. A real man pays his bills, a real man does what he has to do. Even if it fucking costs him everything he's got, he's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

How tuned in with your like primal being are you? Because like me, sometimes in my head, I think I'm a fucking caveman. And I would like to revert back to those old days of providing, protecting, hunting for the family and the tribe. How in tuned are you to a foundation or a belief system?

SPEAKER_00 44:45

Oh, uh I'm I'm in touch with my belief system. I think my primal self and and my identity with my primal self is still there. Like I I told my wife the other day, like, say, God forbid, you know, somebody finds out where we live out in the sticks, right? And they come to our home to like say harm our cat or something, right? They're not leaving.

Great Exodus And Changing Tides In Parole

SPEAKER_01 45:09

One of us is not leaving. I think that's one of the misbeliefs. And you know what? I will attest to this, it is a misbelief. I suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder. As do I. Correct. When I went to get help at the VA hospital, I told the psych doctor, hey, it was a lady, doc, don't cure me all the way. I don't want to be a bitch. Right? She starts laughing. She's like, Hector, I have no doubt in my mind that if you ever face a deadly situ a dangerous situation, you're going to act appropriately. I'm like, oh, thank God. Would you agree that somebody maybe fathoming, defecting from a gang, they will be viewed upon weaker themselves?

SPEAKER_00 45:50

Yeah, that's the whole fear, right? That's the whole fear. Like, oh man, they're gonna call me a bitch and a coward. You know, I I come to learn that opinions are like assholes.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

Everybody's got one. Not only that, you become more fucking dangerous when you control your own fucking mind.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

You know, I a point I made I I told my wife about we're cruising down the street and uh and some dude cuts us off almost at your door. And I tell him, like, what the fuck, dude? You know, like this dude's rage driving because he's he's chasing this other car. Okay. So I said, you know, I should we pull up behind him, you know, and he's still driving like a maniac. I should fucking go bust his windshield out right now. And she says, something to the effect of, yeah, you know? And I said, No, I can't. She says, What? You let him punk you? She says, Yeah, you let him punk you? You be a bitch? I says, I don't think you understand the violence it took to become this peaceful. Because if I let it go, say I go out and I bust this window or I tell him, hey, fuck you, dude. And he says, hey, fuck you too. And he steps out the car. It's on. 100%. And if it's on, we're gonna get down, right? We're gonna get down, and just that first initial boom, life sentence three striker. So I might as well just kill the guy. So so I told her, I says, I balance this with the abnormal thought. Is it worth killing him? Is it worth killing him?

SPEAKER_01 47:24

It's crazy to think that I don't think that's an abnormal thought.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

Yeah. Yeah, because it's real, man. It's it's you you gotta look at it like might as well just kill the motherfucker if if that's the case, right? But then again, that's like that level four GP mentality. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's gangster all the way through. And and and it's a really, I think, a look into the darkness that uh men like us carry, like that the level of violence that we participated in. Because you're you're in a Iraqi war vet. Yes. So you've seen a level of violence unmatched by 99.9% of the public. I mean, as a prisoner and Mexican mafia member, a lot of people can't identify with that violence, right? Um, I mean, violence is violence at the end of the beginning of the day. Yeah, it is. Blood is blood, man. Yeah, yeah. But it's it's hard to rein in that that uh that impulse, that primal impulse to do harm, right? I do, because there have been we were at the mall once, and uh, we're walking, and uh and I'm looking at this guy's built and he's got tattoos everywhere, right? And I'm I'm checking out his work. I wasn't eye fucking him or nothing. I wasn't doing anything like that. And then he stops and he he he postures on me, he says, You all right, bro? And I just felt the hackle. And I said, Yeah, you alright? And it was already like feeling it, right? Right. Then my wife says, Hey, hey, what are you doing? What are you doing? You know, I said, That fucking dude challenged me, you know? And I felt it right there, like I wanted to go. You know, it's like, oh no, I ain't no bitch, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 49:03

I get it, dude. You know? When it comes to emotional intelligence and reading the room, how did you develop your skill set? And what tips do you have for a correctional officer to understand? Oh, I'm about to get fucked up right now, but they're too new to realize what the the the signs.

What Real Manhood Looks Like

SPEAKER_00 49:23

I think that opsec is everything, right? Operational security and everything you do. Uh again, I revert to my wife. We go into a room, I'm reading it, right? Who's there? What are they wearing? Look at the floor of their clothes against their body, right? I could spot cops a mile away. We go to church, I see cops, and you can see their hip holster, and that's that's a cop right there. That's a cop. Or that's a thug. You know, he's a thug, but he's not a killer, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:49

Fuck, I love when you say that he's a thug. He's a thug, but he's not a killer, right? I jump, dude. Oh God, I can't. Every time you say something, I just wanted to like do a like elaborate. Real quick, just touch on that. The difference between a person that's not a killer.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

You can tell have tattoos on the side of their heads, on their face. Now, that's not to say that some guys with tattoos on their heads and have tattoos on their face are killers. There are, right? But you could you could feel the vibe. Feel the vibe. There's that there's that kinship, and you feel it. Like you look at him, he looks at you and says, Oh shit. He's dangerous. Exactly, dude. And you feel it, right? You know that the dude's through and through killer, but those guys are few and far between. And when you see him, you're like, like I've seen guys in the supermarket, they look at me, I look at them, and say, okay, we recognize each other that of being somebody, right? It's almost a mutual. It is a mutual. It's a vibe, a mutual identification. Yeah, it's a vibe. It's like uh I was in Vallarta. Uh uh, I was here in California like two years ago, and I was in Vallarta getting some uh chicken salad. Real recognizes real is what they say. But yeah, back here, chicken salad. And I'm cruising, I got the little shopping cart, and I see this white guy tatted down, right? And he looks at me, I look at him, and we just stop for a second, and we just pushed on. And that was it. He's with the business, right? And and and that was the same look he gave me, but like, yeah, this guy's with the business, you know? And and you could you could spot that a mile away. You know, and then you see those guys like with the Edgar haircuts and the pants sagging on their ass, and they're throwing the N-word around and and on hood, on hood, on hood. Oh, the stupid lingo they use, right? And it's like, these guys are not of the stock that I was made for.

SPEAKER_01 51:43

However, they are engaging in behavior that will lead them to prison. Oh, yeah, definitely. And they will have no choice but to attempt to survive in that environment. What advice do you have to the Edgars that are yelling the N-word, sagging their frickin' pants, talking about shooting people in their music videos? What advice do you have for the reality of prison?

SPEAKER_00 52:07

If you think that's an easy place to be and that's where you want to be, look at Swifty Blue. Look at Money Side Suede. These are real rappers, Edgar generation guys uh with that mentality who didn't farewell. You know, prison isn't for the faint heart. It's a rough and tumble world where it's apex predator killing apex predator. And I would say it's an alternative path, man. It sounds lame and it sounds like I'm a geezer, but I am a fucking geezer. You know, I'm an old guy. And and I think with that comes wisdom, right? And I don't think they possess that wisdom yet, yet. They haven't experienced enough in their life to understand, like, this is really good advice. Stay out of prison, change your life, do something different. You don't want to go there and deal with guys like me. They're gonna get you a life sentence or kill you.

Primal Impulse, Restraint, And PTSD

SPEAKER_01 52:57

It's not only the guys like you, it's also the administration mixing GPs and SNYs, right? It's also the new generation of correctional officers afraid to use force, which ultimately put your fucking life in danger. I mean, if you don't got the cops willing to stop violence, then your ass is you're asked out. You're gonna fucking die.

SPEAKER_00 53:16

You know, that that's what gets me is that you have statewide violence, right? And they'll do a 10-day uh investigation, a modified program. Modified program, 10 days. This guy got killed. All right, we're good now. Let's go. Play ball, let's go back to normal operations.

SPEAKER_01 53:34

Modified then 10 days is a stretch, bro. They're they're they're up, they're up next yard, dude.

SPEAKER_00 53:39

It used to be like that in Folsom and DBI and San Quentin. The hit would go down, boom, boom, boom, boom. They'd run out the meat wagon, they throw them on the gurney, the Stokes, and they run them off the yard, pick up the knife, play ball. And it was play ball. We we go right to it, right? They didn't care. It seems like we've regressed to that, to where they want the main lines functioning, and as long as officers aren't being harmed, it's okay that they kill each other. But they are they are being harmed though. Well, I I uh Comstat. I I've checked out Comstat, and uh incidents of violence against correctional officers are on the rise. I mean, this this is I mean, maybe not from the Ashker Brown settlement agreement from the participants in that agreement. Correct. It's these fucking psych inmates. Yeah, and you you as long as you have that type of environment that fosters violence and allows it to happen. I mean, you don't think the EOPs, the triple CMS guys see, well, they're stabbing guys over there. I'm gonna get off on this cop. I would. Yeah. I would. It's survival. Yeah, it's it's it's it's a really dangerous place for CEO right now. It's not it's not a safe place. It's funny because a lot of uh former CEOs contact me on my socials, right? We have the Instagram, the TikTok, and and thankfully to my What are they if you don't mind shooting? Renee Enrique is uncensored. Okay. All of them. Renee Enrique is uncensored. Uh we are gonna start a new channel called Renee Enriquez Raw. Uh that's coming in the very near future.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

Uh is there details on it or is it gonna mirror uncensored or a different twist?

SPEAKER_00 55:11

Entirely different. Entirely different. Entirely different. You know, I don't want it to have anything to do with the mob. I want it to be real, authentic, and whole. I want to talk about issues that a lot of people don't talk about, right? Present times or present times. Past times. Um present and past. Past experience and present experience. I I think it's something fresh. Also want to uh target the female demographic because we have a huge uh audience that of issues like relationship issues, oh yeah, you know, relationship issues, adapting, adjusting, um all the things we struggle with addiction, uh substance abuse, infidelity, everything, everything that addresses real life situation, right? Uh therapy, PTSD, sexual abuse, you know, trauma in the childhood. They call them ACEs, adverse childhood experiences. We're gonna address all that stuff in this new channel. Uh it's coming soon. But uh the socials, yeah. I got a lot of uh CEOs uh commenting on the socials. And uh crazy because I remember those guys. You do? I do, I remember exactly who they are. Hey, I'm so-and-so and so-and-so. And I said, How do I know it's you? And they'll say, Well, I jacked you up over here. Or they'll say, How do I know it's you? I say, Well, dude, it's me. You know, and I'll tell them uh a validating factor, right? Like, this is how you know it's me. Because a lot of people think it's not me on there. Initially, when you had reached out, I didn't think it was you. I think I had to like verify twice. Yeah, you did. Everybody doubts it, right? Everybody doubts it. But we like we have like double layer, and pretty soon uh social media managers taking over everything, right? So I'll pop it and I'll answer because I really enjoy interacting with the audience because I think they invest in our channel. Facts. And and if you don't give back to them, that's why I give away books, that's why I give away all the swag that I give away. Uh, because they invest in us, and if they invest in us their time, then I should invest in them. And that necessitates answering comments, answering emails, giving away signed books. Because let's face it, without our viewers, we're nothing. Facts.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Well, I want to thank you, dude, for flying out here, man, coming to the studio for the first time. Hopefully, not the last. Do you have any closing words you want to say to the audience? Floor is yours, dude.

SPEAKER_00 57:28

Yeah, I am truly humbled for this opportunity. I I just can't emphasize enough that you guys have provided me with a platform to do some good in life, right? Um, and it's that that one goal, right? I I can't tell you the number of comments that I've received that my book has changed lives, that dissuaded people from participating in gangs and and and just opening up this this Pandora's box, right? And letting people peek inside and letting them make that one decision. Like, that's not for me. If we're successful with one person, then I'm happy. So I thank you all so much from the bottom of my heart. Uh, it is humbling and it is grounding. Uh, with that said, peace out. Thanks, Renee. My pleasure, brother.

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SPEAKER_01 58:12

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