EPISODE 65: Tamla Horsford

A late-night sleepover, a lively mom of five, and a morning that changed a family forever. We walk through the final hours of Tamla Horsford with care and clarity, from party dynamics and house layout to the 911 call, the delayed response, and the details that still don’t sit right. You’ll hear the names, the timestamps, and the contradictions that keep this case alive in public memory: no EMS on scene, missing autopsy photos, backyard cameras that weren’t recording, and a toxicology result that raised more questions than answers.

We also step back to see the larger picture. Forsyth County’s past—1912 racial terror, expulsions, and decades of exclusion—casts a long shadow over modern institutions. That context helps explain why so many people challenged the “tragic accident” label and pushed for renewed investigation, petitions, and national attention. We talk about what procedural rigor should look like in any suspicious death: prompt medical response, preserved evidence, unbiased interviews, and transparency that earns real trust.

Along the way, we center Tamla as more than a case file: a partner, a parent, a friend with joy to give and a life that deserved careful truth. We close with a reminder that accountability doesn’t begin and end with a ruling—it lives in communities willing to ask hard questions and insist on better. If this conversation moves you, share it with someone who cares about justice, subscribe for more deep dives, and leave a review with the single biggest question you want answered next.

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Transcript

Cruise Cravings And Grape Drinks

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey Jesse. Hey Lindsay. What are you having to drink today?

SPEAKER_06 0:05

A little touch of uh Cosmel over here. Oh yeah? Yeah. Viva La Mexico and some dose.

SPEAKER_01 0:14

Dose.

SPEAKER_06 0:16

Can you tell I've been missing a cruise?

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Yeah. And you know, cruises are like all in my algorithm right now.

SPEAKER_05 0:22

So missing a cruise so bad. It's time to go.

SPEAKER_06 0:27

If we go back to Mexico, though, I'm going like Cozumel specifically. I am going to Tulum. We haven't been yet. We're going. It'll be my turn. I get to see ruins and shit. Yeah. Because I miss my ruins and shit. Costa Maya.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

We, I was about to say, we planned on doing that in Costa Maya. Yeah. But I am having a grape. This is a new flavor at Aldi. No way. Grape this today. No way.

SPEAKER_06 0:55

Yeah, it's delicious. Dude, I am so excited about a new flavor you got over there. Try it. Am I allowed to? Am I part of the cool girl shit?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

It tastes a little bit like Welch's grape. Grape soda.

SPEAKER_06 1:06

Really? You know what my favorite color is? It's very nostalgic. Grape. Not really, but that's a damn good flavor. It's almost like Kool-Aid. Yeah. Yeah. Sugar, water, and especially grape. But it's a little bit more. With a little bit of fermentation.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

It's no sugar.

SPEAKER_06 1:25

Okay. But it's great. It's great, great. It's delicious. Love it, Lance. What made you feel old today? You go first.

SPEAKER_01 1:31

Ah. Oh. This week. What made you feel old this last week? You got me. All right. So let's see here.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

Hmm. Now you're on the spot. How does it make you? I am because I usually go off the dome of what you got.

SPEAKER_06 1:46

I think whenever I'm over here trying to rattle off my bullshit, you're over there like, oh, I already got one planned while he's talking. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

So my uh very, very much younger friend uh posted last night that she was not going to miss Pitbull's concert this year. And I was like, oh my God, where is it? And so I looked it up or whatever. But then I was thinking, like, I and then I got in like a pit bull mood, and I really got introduced to Pitbull from going to Zumba classes.

SPEAKER_06 2:23

And I love dancing to reggaeton music. I really do, Lindsay. I wasn't trying to shit on it. Keep going though.

What Made Us Feel Old

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Well, so Zumba it was a huge part of my life for a very long time. And I started thinking about it, and I started going to Zumba classes in 2008.

SPEAKER_06 2:44

You realize how long ago?

SPEAKER_01 2:46

That was a long time ago. That was before I bet my 30s. And I'm in my 40s.

SPEAKER_06 2:55

Easy now, Lindsay. Easy.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

So yeah. Yeah. There we go.

SPEAKER_06 3:01

Whoa.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

I know. And I like, and I was, I even was talking to Landon about it last night because Landon, uh, the boys used to go to the Zumba classes with me. They would just hang out in the lobby of the venue and, you know, play on their little Nintendo games and stuff. Um, their little Game Boys. And Landon was like, if we go to a Pitbull concert, I'm just gonna break out into Zumba moves. Like, because he's like, I used to watch you guys, you know, I know the moves.

SPEAKER_06 3:31

Go to Tampa, be up on the hill doing the line dance Zumba. Follow the book.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

It's not a line dance.

SPEAKER_06 3:36

Like it's Are they different in different Zumba classes, or does everybody kind of dance in the same way? No, so every okay, so I thought that it was like a, you know, because we learned like the boot scooting boogie. No, so everybody did the same moves, you know?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

Every Zumba instructor pretty much makes up their own moves. Oh. But they would go to these conferences, like the Zumba instructor that I was under or that I went to, she would go to a huge conference every year where they would learn new dances and she would get ideas. Inspiration. But she still made her own choreography that we would follow. Yeah. So, like, and then I went to a different Zumba class at a gym that I signed up for for like a monthly membership. Because the Zumba instructor I went to, she did three times a week. You just paid per class, whatever. But then the gym I went to, she would do a lot of the same songs, but it was different moves and it was fucked me up a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 4:32

I mean, that's why, like, whenever we first met, I would go pick you up. Like, you were kicking ass. I would, I would go into class because I like to see the shake, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, look at my look at my girlfriend over here when we first met, and I was like, look at her go, and she is kicking all the ass into it.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Like, I love to dance so much, and you know that. Like, I love to dance.

SPEAKER_06 4:53

I was looking at that cake so hard I had two black eyes. I mean, I really did. You didn't notice me over there in the corner, like being the creepy.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

Well, even like you when you and I would go out to different venues to like go party and stuff like that, or just to go kick it with some of our friends, and a Zumba song would come on, you know, or a song that was in our Zumba class, and I would kind of do a little bit of the routine, and you would be like, Holy shit! Right. Like, you know, moves to this dancing route.

SPEAKER_06 5:20

Nailing it, yeah. Like, holy shit. But the thing about it is, is while you were doing that, it was different from what everybody else seen, unless they went to that class. Yeah. So you look like you were just uh fresh. Fuck, that is fucking awesome. I didn't know it was different between each class. That's new to me. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

So, like I said, going between two different instructors, it would fuck me up a little bit. And then one instructor, and well, that at the gym that I signed up for, they would have like two or three different Zumba instructors, and each different class had different moves. And the original Zumba instructor I would go to, her name is Sarah. I won't say her last name because I don't have permission, but her name was Sarah. And um, she is a silent instructor, which I like. Like even when I look up YouTube workouts and stuff, I like a silent instructor.

SPEAKER_06 6:12

Right. Watch me, we're gonna do this. Here we go.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Yeah, that's cool. And then at the gym, it would be the ladies with the microphones and being loud and shit. And I'm like, I'm not feeling this. And wiggle and names for moves. I didn't like that. But it was different, like when I would used to do kickboxing classes and stuff, I liked it because it would like fire you up. But with dance, I like the silence, and you just dance and you just you're filling the music and you're following along.

SPEAKER_05 6:41

I didn't want anybody in the background saying more passion, more passion, more footwork, more energy, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:46

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's really cool though. I didn't know it really tied together, it was like it didn't tie together. So I was you were genuinely looking like I mean a full on the city.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

And you've done you've done some Zumba with me at home. Yeah, I mean with the videos and stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:04

That was like our little home class.

SPEAKER_01 7:06

Yeah. So what made you feel old this week, sir?

SPEAKER_06 7:09

You look like a turd in a punch bowl doing those Zumba things. I'm I'll bet I I'm glad there's no video footage of that. Is there? No. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

I do have video footage of you and the boys doing some workouts. I think it was Gillian Michaels.

SPEAKER_06 7:24

Oh, that was kicking my ass too. That's a whole nother level, dude. Uh-uh. What made me feel old, you say? You say. Yeah. Lindsay, I kicked my own ass.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yes. And we didn't talk about this in the recap. If you listen to our recap, he's gonna repeat this story.

SPEAKER_06 7:38

Valdasta. And the reason why I have to bring it up. Valdasta, you mean Tallahassee? Tallahassee, not Valdasta. Well, I think Valdasta. I don't know. You know, that venue also looks kind of like one that used to we used to play back when I was in a hardcore band. Like the inside. Yeah. So maybe that's why. Fuck. I miss I miss Valdasta. I miss all the hardcore bands that were.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Well, George is kind of problematic, but we're gonna get into that soon. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 8:02

Well, really? Oh, and then in this one? Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, anyhow, we went to Tallahasta. And oh shit, that made me feel a little confusing, those two. But um, I kicked my own ass because I got a little slosh and I didn't eat. So now I'm just I'm I'm chilling back this weekend because I really did overdo it a little bit. And I think it was mainly just because I didn't eat.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Well, we had a DD, uh, which we're not used to having. Uh so Jesse went a little hard and he didn't have a lot of food in his belly.

SPEAKER_07 8:32

No.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

And what we should have done when we got to the venue, because the venue does have a restaurant, we should have gone right and sat down and had some food.

SPEAKER_06 8:39

But and that really makes me feel old because I'm not 20 anymore. I can't just be like, no, I don't need to eat all weekend, bro. I'm just gonna drink all weekend, whatever. No, tripped in a mosh pit on my own big toe.

Introducing Tamla Horsford

SPEAKER_01 8:51

And my arm to uh this dying breed, which is a badass band. Yeah, follow them, you guys. Oh my god. If you like hardcore music, absolutely. Yeah, and they're like I don't know if I have them on my list yet, but they're like country ass boys. Like, I'm telling you, okay, so Tallahassee is the venues that we go for, uh go to to listen to a lot of bands that we're friends with, but most of them are based out of Crawfordville, which is like a suburb of Tallahassee. And it's it's it's it's it's more like a redneck country, and it's cool because these hardcore ass boys are out there with their feet camouflage and shit, and they will kick your ass.

SPEAKER_06 9:35

Yeah, they're they will kick your ass.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

And I had a blast until Jesse got hurt.

SPEAKER_06 9:40

I feel like I was there 15 minutes, Linda. And Jesse got hurt, but we were there like three hours. Or we're gonna go back. We're gonna we're gonna hang out with the bros again, and I'm gonna do it responsibly like a 44 year old.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

Sit down and have a goddamn cheeseburger before Jesse drinks a big old shot with his boys.

SPEAKER_06 9:55

All the grease and the grease and the E.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

We've gotten some fried fish from there that was superb before. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:00

Yeah, and then we do a little karaoke. We hang out like the whole, because it's like a whole two-sided. Yeah, it's a big venue.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

It's huge, it's great. We have a blast.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

Legacy at Rigger R River. Riggerfront. Riverfront. Legacy in Telahasta.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Speaking of food, we haven't eaten yet. Tella Halcy. We gotta get through this case, so we can have a lot of dinner.

SPEAKER_06 10:22

So that made me feel old. Anyhow, yes, Jesse hurt himself. He's had a rough week. But before we tell the stories, I just wanted to say happy fucking Friday. We're here. We're here. There it is. The whole thing is going down right now. Lindsay, I think we bump that so much, and I always say bump it because my headphones, the lows that come out of that on my headphones, I think I'm messing up my headphones on that.

SPEAKER_05 11:12

No, it sounds good. It doesn't? Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

It's I mean, I think it's cool to like to bump to your own song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 11:19

So you have stories, Lindsay. You have stories, kick them out.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

So today we are drinking about uh the case of Tamila Ayana Horseford. Tamala went by Tam and she was born in Kingston. I don't know if it's Kingston or Kingstown. Because it's not Jamaica. Oh so it could be Kingstown. Okay. Because I was thinking of say, your way to beautiful girl. Yeah. Sean Kingston.

SPEAKER_07 11:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

So we're gonna say Kingstown, uh, St. Vincent and the Grenadines. She was so she's from the islands. And she was born on October 10th, 1978, and her family moved to the Bronx in 1989. That's a long way from home.

SPEAKER_06 12:12

That's a big difference, too. You know, people that do that, it's insane.

SPEAKER_01 12:17

You go from the Caribs to the Bronx. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:20

Yeah. It's like what is your like highest temperature, 70, and then you go like to minus fucking a million? No, it's gotta be like minus 20 up there at times.

The Sleepover Setup And Dynamics

SPEAKER_01 12:30

But they it did end up in Florida at some point. Oh. Now in Florida, Tam would meet her husband, Leander Horseford, who went by Lee. And he already had a daughter from a previous relationship, and together they would have five, five boys. Five whole ass boys. I had like hats off to her because I have four boys. This is a lot. And I have almost lost my mind numerous times. At least a hundred. It's it's not for the week, I promise you. No, it's not. So in the midst of creating a family, Leander was transferred to Cummings, Georgia with his job. Now we'll get into more uh we'll get a little bit more into the history about Cummings, which is in Forsyth County, towards the end. But for now, I need you to know that this area is only about 4% people of color. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 13:32

Oh, the South. Yeah. You in the South now.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Shit. So Tamla, what or I'm I keep saying Tamil. It's just Tamla. She was an amazing mom. She was super fun to be around, a sweet woman, and very involved with her kids' sports. I'm gonna go ahead and show Jesse real quick a picture of her just so he can know he can have uh an image in his brain.

SPEAKER_06 13:59

So this it's cool. Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

This is I usually like this is Tam and Lee.

SPEAKER_06 14:03

Inventing, okay, beautiful couple.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Beautiful couple. Your way too much. I mean, aren't they like honestly, these are beautiful people?

SPEAKER_06 14:14

Yeah, because she have him. I shouldn't say it because I don't know about it. No, you don't.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

So she was super fun to be around, super sweet, very involved with her with her kids' sports. A lot of them played football, which is a big deal in the South. Right. Athletic, getting getting it home, yeah, for sure. So she becomes friends with a lot of the other sports moms and was invited to a ladies' sleepover on November 3rd, 2018. And Tam, she was like, she was super cute. It was said that she had a bullhorn at some of the football games, but she wasn't like crazy, like like yelling at the refs. She would yell at the kids, and her little like famous line was can't stop greatness.

SPEAKER_06 15:03

Oh, respectfully super mom.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah. Exactly. So, okay, like I said, she was invited to this adult sleepover on November 3rd, 2018. And the sleepover was for one of the sports moms, uh the sports moms named Jean Myers. Now it's spelled like Jean.

SPEAKER_06 15:26

An adult sleepover, though. I'm I'm seeing some kind of a like, I mean, it might not be completely red, but the flag is weird because adult sleepovers.

SPEAKER_01 15:35

Okay. Well, I'm gonna go ahead and say this at the top. She was the only person of color at the sleepover. Um, so G uh, Jean is spelled like Jean, but it's pronounced Jean, and it was her 45th birthday. Uh, Jean and Tam had met in August, same year. Like they, so they weren't longtime friends uh through the kids' football league, and Jean would invite her over a couple of times prior to the sleepover. In fact, she had just been at Jean's house uh the weekend before for a Halloween pumpkin carving party for the kids. But your name is John.

SPEAKER_06 16:15

Well, it's Jean. Well, see, that's another red flag. So the adult sleepover and your name is Jean. Jean, that's what it was. Not John, but Jean. But anyhow, there's two red flags already. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 16:27

Jean, yes. So it's Jean's house. Yeah. Bougie. This night, though, was just for adults. They were gonna have drinks, eat snacks, have some gumbo, play cards, and watch football. Now, Jean had a three-story house complete with you say that wiggling your shoulders like Jean. We'll get into it. Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 16:58

So fucking crazy already.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Well, Jean had a three-story house complete with a theater in the basement, and she had a really nice huge patio uh with a fire pit on the second floor. So, and she had she had plenty of room to host a sleepover for eight ladies. Jean's friend Stacey Smith was technically the host. So she did all of the planning, she made the food, and her husband Tom had come over with her earlier that day to hang out while she got set up. And Jean's much younger boyfriend, 27-year-old Jose Barrera, was also in attendance. But uh, Jose was a pretrial probation officer. So just remember that. And these guys were there, they weren't supposed to stay there, but we'll get into it.

SPEAKER_06 17:59

This is a lot to clock in, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

There's a lot.

SPEAKER_06 18:01

So just clock in.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:04

Because you're gonna have to remember a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Now, like I said, it was supposed to only be Ladies' Night, but Jose, he had the shits, and what he had some tummy problems, okay? Like Knights of the Seven Kingdoms, like that kind of shit. Oh, let's talk about that for a second. Taco Bell style. So if you guys are uh a fan of Game of Thrones and of course the spin-off House of Dragons, and now the new spin-off, a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

SPEAKER_06 18:40

Nobody makes me shit my own shit.

SPEAKER_01 18:41

Sir Duncan the Tall. We are excited.

SPEAKER_06 18:44

What did I say whenever he's hucklebucked over the tree? For God and Country.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

I don't know, but that was quite because it was like, okay, we're gonna get the intro, we're gonna get the music, and then it was yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:58

You know what though? The whole episode felt comfortable, didn't it?

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Like it felt like we were so light. This one's more about the comic.

SPEAKER_06 19:06

But it was our perspective, a lot of it. We're watching him set things up for the tourney, we're watching him set things up for the town, getting things ready, and he shows up egg. He shows up broke as fuck, just like I'm just gonna scrape by a knight's tail in Game of Thrones.

SPEAKER_05 19:20

Little Egg is my new uppies.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

I need him. Oh, you were too I need to hold him. I need to hold little egg.

SPEAKER_06 19:27

How he becomes a king, we will find out later. Yeah. Spoilers. We're no spoilers. All the spoilers, if you know Game of Thrones, it's already there.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Yes. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_05 19:35

He is a Targaryen, though. We'll say that.

SPEAKER_06 19:37

Oh, and we were watching Game of Thrones stuff the other night, and Landon's pointing out stuff that's gonna kill some things for House of Dragons. Fuck. Okay, Galenzi, get back to the story. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Okay. So Jose had the poops, and uh Tom ended up staying as well to keep him company because you know, you know how men are when they're sick. You're a man.

SPEAKER_06 20:00

You don't want to be a turd in a punch bowl.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Well, I guess so there was also like a baby shower going on at Tom and Stacy's house. So he didn't want to be in the way there. And then Jose didn't want to leave because, you know, he was just like blowing up the toilet.

SPEAKER_06 20:17

Everybody had some shit shaking.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Uh, they were like, you know what? We're just gonna, if it's okay with you, Jean, uh, we're just gonna hang out in the basement. So um now this the basement is where Jean's aunt Madeline, uh, that's where her quarters were. I'm saying this like she's some kind of slave, but that is where she resided. So Jean had an aunt who lived with him, and she stayed in the basement part. And I'll show you a picture of this house. And so it was still like like she had her own floor.

SPEAKER_06 20:48

Which is weird because I'm thinking of the closets where our quarters is. Well, I have a jar full of quarters in our closet.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

We spent a brief time in North Georgia, and uh this house that Tam went to a sleepover at looked a lot like a house that I went to. And because so you got your basement, and then you got your first floor, and then you got your second floor, and it's like it all kind of go, it's it's all house. Like nothing seems unhomely. Like it's all very comforting. Like the the basement in this house that I went to w had the same thing. It had a theater room, it had a playroom for the kids. Like it just seemed like it was part of the house.

SPEAKER_06 21:33

Okay. So it was we can't have that shit in Florida because we went to a house that was old enough to have those kind of no, it was very nice.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

It was very nice.

SPEAKER_06 21:41

I'm saying, like, you know, how they have like the slave quarters and such.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Absolutely not. Okay. But I'm just saying that's so that's where Aunt Madeline presided, but she was hanging out with the ladies tonight.

SPEAKER_06 21:50

That's why you're like saying quarters like that. Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

That was her, that was where she stayed right for you know, which goes all the way up to New England area.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

Whenever I used to go to a house that was built in the 1700s, it had a quarters, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Yeah, so us being from Florida, like you don't see houses like you do in Georgia.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Like no. We don't.

SPEAKER_06 22:10

Uh our channel. I mean, I'm gonna show you how old.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I'm gonna show you really quick. Okay, so see, that's the basement part. So it just looks like it's part of the house.

SPEAKER_06 22:19

Right. I got it.

SPEAKER_01 22:19

That's the top floor, that's the second floor where the patio is. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 22:24

Cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

So just I need you to know those floor plans. I need to know those things? Yeah, you just need to know it just so you can have it in your head. Okay, so Aunt Madeline, she's hanging out with the ladies upstairs. The boys go to the basement and the party ensues. So other ladies that were in attendance were Nicole, Marcy, Bridget, Jennifer, Sarah, and Paula. The party was set to start at seven, but Tam, being a mom of a large family, she was gonna be a little late because she wanted to make sure that her family was fed, kids were bathed, so that like not a lot fell on Lee. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 23:02

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

And she actually wasn't really sure about going, and Lee had already made plans that night himself. He was gonna go out, but he canceled so that she could go have girl time because she didn't get that a lot. He was being a very good husband.

SPEAKER_06 23:18

Okay. So the flag is not so much red at this moment.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

No, Lee's flag is not red at all. Lee's a green flag. I get it. So Tam got DeJanne's around 8:30, and she brought with her a very expensive bottle of tequila from Mexico to give to John as a birthday gift. She gets there and she gets changed into her pajamas, which was like a white uh onesie type with little little paw prints all over it. Very cute. Very cute. And um she presents her gift of very expensive tequila to Jean to get the party going. And Jean's like, ew, girl. What? I hate tequila. What? Yeah. And uh she was like, I'm not gonna drink that shit. And they like, she like passes it around for all the other women to smell, and they're all like, so she's the diarrhea. She's the diarrhea. She's the diarrhea. Jean is the diarrhea. Um Jean. So and Cam's like, you know what? This is, I understand. I understand the whole, like, even for me, for Lindsay, there is different kinds of tequilas. If you give me some gold Jose Cuervo, I'm gonna puke in my mouth a little bit. But if you give me some silver, some Jose Silver, I'm gonna drink that shit. I'm gonna drink some 1800 and I'm gonna drink some Patron. All tequilas have a different level.

SPEAKER_06 24:48

Right. I mean, if it has a if it has a little color to it, they probably put it in a barrel or something to make it more flavorful.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Well, she didn't even, she would it felt like she was just trying to make Tam feel bad.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

Like attacking her right off her. I'm gonna use that and we're all gonna team up, right? Yeah. You're in the book. She's in the book and she's showing up. Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

I was gonna say, and you know, like all the other ladies acted a little snooty about it, but Tam was like, okay, girl, it's more for me. And she was mixing it up with some Mountain Dew. So the night went on, and everyone is drinking and having a good time, except for Sarah and Nicole. They were not planning on staying the night, so they really didn't drink. Now, Jennifer, she was the first one to get wasted. She's uh she's the type that really probably shouldn't drink because she can't handle it. And she had also previously gotten a D UI.

SPEAKER_05 25:42

Yeah. The floppy loud one. She was the floppy loud one. Ah, fun. Fun, fun.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Now, Tam, she would be the only one that was a smoker of this party, allegedly. Um, so she would go outside a little bit more than the rest, but some would someone would always be outside with her when she would go out there. And the patio was a really nice area. Like I've seen pictures, I've watched videos, galore of the plant that like the house layout.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

It looks nice. That's a perfect spot for somebody to go out and talk some shit.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Yeah. And there was, you know, there was a fire pit involved. Like it's it's a nice patio area. There's like two full tables of chairs. Like it's nice, it's nice.

SPEAKER_06 26:28

Perfect entertaining area.

SPEAKER_01 26:29

Jean, I don't know, I couldn't really find what she did for a living, but Jean's got some money.

SPEAKER_06 26:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

So um Tam had also brought some some green with her. And Aunt Madeline and Stacy participated with her in the garden. But Jean, uh I keep wanting to say Jean because it is literally spelled Jean, but it's pronounced Jean. Jean, uh, she shut that shit down because Jose and his uh position in law enforcement. She was like, you can't do that. Jose is in the law.

SPEAKER_06 27:06

Fuck that. Yeah. We've had some people.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Especially, I mean this was 2018. What the fuck? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:13

Even then they were like, you know, hey, I'm um we're not gonna say who they are, but you know, like state troopers and shit hanging out with us, burning down. Burning down. Whatever.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Now they were all watching the LSU versus Alabama game, which, oh my God, like that's two very good teams.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

It's two very southern ass teams. Very southern teams. Oh, and that's two rivalry ass teams, too.

SPEAKER_01 27:37

Well, yeah. And the boys, they would end up joining the girls towards the end when they came up for some food. They wanted to get some gumbo as well. Later in the night, Tam has a FaceTime call with her family to say goodnight to Lee and the kids while the ladies are all playing cards against humanity. And then Sarah and Nicole they leave around 10:30. That's why they weren't drinking.

SPEAKER_06 28:00

This is Vera Southern, Vera George.

SPEAKER_01 28:03

Vera Southern, Vera. That's right.

SPEAKER_06 28:04

Vera, Vera.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

Around 12:45, Marcy and Jen retire. Jen is the drinker. Jen is the sloppy one.

SPEAKER_06 28:14

There's so many girls here. She called herself Jen. I would have changed my name to Jesse.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

Now Marcy and Jen retire to one of the rooms and they put Shrek on to go to sleep because you know what?

Early Morning: Discovery And 911 Call

SPEAKER_06 28:29

It's comfortable food. Comfortable for movies.

SPEAKER_05 28:33

Yes, it is. Because I want comfort movies. Comfort movies, too. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

I was the other day I put on uh Shrek 4 because it's the best. I think it is. It really is. I think it is. With Rumpel Stillskin and the all the ogres.

SPEAKER_05 28:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 28:49

Is that the one with the Piper in it too? Fuck yeah, it is. Fuck yeah, it is. So yeah, hit us up. I want to know whose favorite Shrek episode. Movie, all that, whatever. What episode?

SPEAKER_01 29:02

One through four. If you've made it thus far in the podcast, please comment and let us know what your favorite Shrek movie is. What part? I do think four.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

I agree. I do agree. Two and four. Two and four.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yeah. For us. Do we favor?

SPEAKER_06 29:19

Yeah, I think we both have had this conversation several, several times. Several times. Several times. Yeah. We want to know though. Hit us up.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

So everyone starts making their sleeping arrangements around 1 15 a.m. And Tam says at this point that she's actually thinking of just going home. You know, she's kind of feeling a little oustist, a little like kind of everybody the party's winded down. She's still a little amped. She probably just wants to go home and hang out with her husband, you know. So Stacy, Tom, and John were like, no, absolutely not. You've been drinking. Don't do it. So Tam was like, okay, I'll stay. But I'm not really tired. Will somebody, you know, kind of stay up with me a little bit? And everyone else had a sleeping buddy except for Tam. Also. Like everybody else kind of paired off.

SPEAKER_06 30:12

You know what I mean? Yeah, cuddle buddies? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:15

Well, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06 30:16

Like, just like kind of just like they're in that room, they're in that room. Yeah, hanging out.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

Like I go to adult sleepovers at my bestie Aaron's house. And, you know, me and Jojo, we we sleep in the same bed, you know? So Tam didn't have a sleeping buddy. So she that was also kind of making her uncomfortable. And Stacy was like really weird and white about it and was like, I'll leave my phone down here. So my phone can sleep with your phone. It's gonna keep you comfort. It's gonna keep.

SPEAKER_05 30:44

I was like, that's fucking weird. You didn't even say that right though. It's I'll leave my phone down here.

SPEAKER_01 30:50

Well, no, I mean, some of these ladies don't really talk like that. Puppity bushy. Actually, Sean had the most southern accent out of all the interviews that I listened to.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

Sean had the most southern accent. Yeah. Wow, Lindsay, that is just blowing my mind.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

Now, Bridget, she was still awake, so she hung out with her until her husband picked her up around 1:47 a.m. Which was weird to me because I'm like, I don't know. I mean, they all talk Tam out of leaving. Bridget will be the third lady that's gonna leave of the night. And why I mean, I know this is Georgia and it's probably very rural, but this is still a time of Uber, or y'all couldn't just call Lee and be like, hey, Tam wants to go home. Can you pick her up? But, anyways, so Bridget did not stay because she suffered from anxiety. And even though she proudly took Xanax and even wore it in a necklace around her neck.

SPEAKER_06 32:02

A fucking Xanax necklace? Yeah. Lancy. Or was it just like the word Xanax?

SPEAKER_01 32:07

So this takes a chain on a neck. Xanax. Uh uh, so a necklace with a street name, Xanax. A necklace with prescription drugs in it takes me right to uh Cruel Intentions where she's got the Coke necklace.

SPEAKER_06 32:21

Well, yeah, I was thinking of the Coke rings that the dude used to have in the 70s. Yeah, just fucking open it up and take a bump.

SPEAKER_05 32:28

Well, anyways. Yeah, that's a real thing. For Bridget, it is. For fucking Bridget. Do it, Bridget. Do it.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

And Bridget was like, I can't, I can't relax enough to sleep over at Jean's house. Okay. I'm gonna, she was like, I'm gonna have to sleep with one eye open. Gribbing my pillow tired.

SPEAKER_06 32:49

So just a weird vibe going on there, huh? Weird vibe.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

So when Bridget left, um, she gave or Tam gave her a big old hug and she was eating a bowl of gumbo. And then she said she was gonna have a smoke and go to bed. Now around 4 10 a.m., Marcy left because she had to be at work. And this was her second day on the job. She was working at a coach outlet store thing, and she didn't want to be late. But she didn't have to be at work till 10 or like 10:30. You know, when Maul's open.

SPEAKER_06 33:27

Yeah, I mean, but she wanted to get her shit in the middle. But that's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

I was gonna say maybe she wanted to get another hour or two in her own bed. Yeah. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 33:35

Real rest, real shower, real you know, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01 33:39

She probably woke up because all these women are in their 40s. They're probably in perimenopause. They probably wake up in a cold sweat or a hot sweat like I do. The medium sweats. With a like catch in their breath, like yeah.

SPEAKER_05 33:51

The night sweats. The night sweats.

Police Response And Autopsy Questions

SPEAKER_01 33:54

And then Paula also leaves around 7:30 a.m. And this was uh followed by Stacy and Tom soon after. So damn, everybody's fucking home. Right. Now, Madeline, she wakes up. This is Aunt Madeline who lives in the basement. Right. Um, she is going to make some coffee. And as she passes by the window, she sees Tam laying face down in the grass and she's not moving.

SPEAKER_06 34:24

You can't already. Lindsay, we're just, Lindsay, why is everybody fucking off and then that's going on? What?

SPEAKER_01 34:32

So instead of immediately running to out, like running outside to see if Tam is okay, Madeline decides that this is uh this is a time for prayer and reflection. And she gets on her knees to say a prayer, and then she goes to Jean and Jose's room, and she hears the shower going, and is like, okay, maybe they're taking a shower.

SPEAKER_06 34:56

Already, here it is. I already know.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

So she runs down to look out the window again and to make sure her eyes weren't deceiving her. Uh, nope. That's definitely Tam laying face down in the grass and not moving. What? So she runs back up to Jean's room and knocks on the door and says, I need to talk to Jose. I guess because Jose's in law enforcement. And then Jean asks why. And Madeline says, Your friend from the islands is on the ground and not moving.

SPEAKER_06 35:31

Exactly what he what?

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Yeah. Your friend from the islands. This woman has lived in America since she was 11 years old. Right. She's 40 now.

SPEAKER_06 35:41

And that's exactly what was said. Are you kidding me right now? Not we're gonna fucking call somebody right now. Right. Let's figure this out right now. We gotta get help. Maybe they just had a a Xanning app out there in the yard somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 35:56

Well, 911 was finally called around 8:59 a.m. Now there's uh conflicting stories. Fucking far. What? There's conflicting stories. Um, so Madeline discovered her between 7:30 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. It's not really confirmed, but the 911 wasn't called until 8:59 a.m. by Sean, who on the call is really not that frantic and immediately suggests that Tam may have fallen off of her balcony. Now Jose gets on the phone and tells the operator that Tam is not moving or breathing and that she had a cut on her wrist suggesting that she may have hurt herself. And then the operator asks uh if she was suicidal at all. This woman was absolutely not suicidal. I want to make that known right now. Okay. She's trying to fit in the community and just a sweet, super mobile, happy, louder than life, life of the party. She literally lit up a room when she came in. Okay.

SPEAKER_06 37:07

She's amazing, gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 37:09

Oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:11

Lindsay. That's why I don't like for you to show me pictures. Because I wanted you to have that in your mind.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

But you have to to understand.

SPEAKER_06 37:22

I gotta go plant now. Can I go plant now?

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Now Jose says arm.

SPEAKER_06 37:26

I'm gonna go over here with plant. Robert. That's Robert.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Now Jose says, I'm not sure. I've only met her twice. So police and investigators arrived shortly after, and it is confirmed that Tamala Horsford is deceased. When the 911 call was made, Jose and John had said that Tam was face down and arms were straight down by her side, as well as her legs. Like everything was straight down like she had face planted. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 38:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:01

But when the police arrive, her elbow was actually bent, like she had tried to break her fall. I'm showing Jesse this visually, but you can look up pictures of this on the internet website. Now the height of the balcony on which she had smoked occasionally was about 15 feet up from the ground. So they were thinking that this most likely was a tragic accident from someone who was intoxicated, who had had some green on top of it, you know, a little crossfaded. A little party party, yeah. But she had cuts on her wrist. She had scratches and bruises. And the only thing that was on the ground was grass. So what cut her?

SPEAKER_06 38:52

What cut her? It doesn't take much to really tell what the fuck happened. It doesn't take much.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

So Tam was sent off for an autopsy, and all the women that had been at the party the night before were called back over for questioning. EMS services were never called. Really? Just the medical examiner in the corner. Um, and through many resources that I listen to, it's mandatory to call EMS even if the person isn't breathing.

SPEAKER_06 39:27

Yeah, like a judicial loophole that he didn't want them to be there, huh? Because he's kind of tied in with the good old boys.

SPEAKER_01 39:35

And then the police go to Tam and Lee's house to tell Lee. And they aggressively, aggressively asked him three times if he was well, first they asked him if he was Lee. And after the third time, he's like, No, I'm not Lee. My name is Leander Horsford. What is this pertaining to? Lee, Leander, come on. Which he rightfully had, you know, all the rights to ask, what is this pertaining to? Why are you at my house? And why are you aggressively coming at me? Because they were. And um they just kind of blurted out uh, this is about your wife. She's deceased. Fuck that quick, just like all the boys are at home. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 40:24

All them children.

SPEAKER_01 40:26

Zero empathy in their tone, and simply told him that she had tripped and fell to her death, and they would not let him go to Jean's.

SPEAKER_06 40:36

So fucking deep-seated fucking debacley going on. I know it.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Now he had refused to believe that this was an accident because he had, quote, seen his wife drink a half a bottle of tequila and salsa dance in six-inch heels. He knew his wife. He knew what she was capable of partaking in. She took that tequila for a reason. She was like, I'm familiar with this. I want to share this with my supposed friends. Yeah. Oh, fuck. I mean, Lee just did not understand.

SPEAKER_06 41:10

I'm so disgusted right now. Yeah. It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Now, the autopsy had not been completed and no one really knew what happened, yet they straight up told Lee that it was a tragic accident.

SPEAKER_06 41:22

Wrote it off already. Let's write this off. Don't tell nobody to look.

Allegations, Evidence Gaps, And Bias

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Don't look no more. Don't look no more. Now the autopsy would show blunt force trauma and lacerations all over her, including one on her heart. How do you get a laceration on your heart from a fall? I don't know. Could be a thing. I don't know. I don't know anything about medical anything. And she also had superficial cuts all over her. Now, what raises many eyebrows, many, many, many eyebrows, is there wasn't any autopsy photos taken at all. None.

SPEAKER_06 42:02

They were, Lindsay, but they're not there no more.

SPEAKER_01 42:05

Right.

SPEAKER_06 42:06

Probably. That's a thing.

SPEAKER_01 42:08

And like I said, this is supposed to be required. This is a requirement to take photos. And the first time I heard this covered was by Morbid, and Elena from Morbid is an ex-autopsy technician. Like she's like, photos have to be taken. Period. Right. And alcohol, of course, was in her system along with some THC and Xanax. No. Something that she was not known for consuming, nor had a prescription for. And it was only partially digested, meaning she had just consumed it right before her death. And who had Xanax? Bridget.

SPEAKER_06 42:54

That fucked off right off rip.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

And Bridget's interview is absolutely insane. You can listen to the entirety of it. Well, that was, you know, let out to the public. You can listen to all of it on YouTube, which I did. And she. So the investigator is asking basic questions, like, you know, what was going on? What were you guys doing? What were y'all drinking? She goes into these long ass tangents about how she is the mother hen when she is a guest at someone's house. She's the cleaner. She makes sure everyone is safe, that all the women uh were wasted and making asses of themselves and blah, blah, blah. And then he asks her about the Xanax. And she's like, those are my drugs. And I love my drugs. And I would never share my drugs with anyone else. And she's also on well, butderol, and Prozac.

SPEAKER_06 43:59

Ups and downs and everything.

SPEAKER_01 44:00

Along with the Xanax. And that's quite a cocktail.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

Like that's a supplement. That's a meal supplement.

SPEAKER_01 44:07

And I'm not judging anybody that is prescribed all of these, but that's a lot. To me, in my humble opinion, in my mind, I just feel like that is a wild cocktail.

SPEAKER_06 44:22

Well, if you have a fucking Xanax necklace, come on.

SPEAKER_01 44:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

Now, uh, during Aunt Madeline's interview, Jean, she interrupts and offers the cops Dunkin' Donuts gift cards. Well, that's gonna work. Because she knows cops loves their donuts. Oh, God. And they were like, uh no, we can't take that. That would look pretty bad, you know, like kind of like a bribe.

SPEAKER_06 44:49

Like a bribe, yeah. How about I give you a Dunklin Dunkin' Donuts necklace instead? We'll put a couple of Xanaxes in the fucking Dunkin' Donuts necklace.

SPEAKER_02 45:03

Oh fuck!

SPEAKER_06 45:05

This is a no, this is literally. I'm gonna I can I am allowed to yet before you get it get the go ahead. What's your opinion? So thus far. They planned this fucking circle of fuckery. This is a circle of fuckery plannery. We'll never know. This is one of those fucked up fucking things. Maybe they were jealous because she was like the super mom at the fucking football games and she was prettier than them, and she was there was something.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

We'll never know.

SPEAKER_06 45:35

There was some jealousy involved, there was some shit that we can't say we will never know because I don't know yet.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 45:41

Alright, go ahead. Fuck.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

This case was ruled as a tragic accident. And it wasn't made public until February of 2019. This happened in November of 2018. Tam's family and close friends that weren't at this party were not satisfied with these findings. And also, Lee says that when he went to the funeral home, her face was painted a darker complexion than she actually was. He says that it looked, I mean, this is like actually his words. He says it looked like she had been painted with black shoe polish and he lost his like absolute fucking shit. Like he was crying telling this story. Oh, I broke my heart so bad. Like it's been a rough week researching this one.

SPEAKER_06 46:33

When that goes down, I mean, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 46:35

Because there's not a lot uh like on straight Google about this. So I had to listen to interviews and watch interviews, and yeah.

SPEAKER_06 46:46

Oh, Lindsay. Are you fucking kidding me right now?

SPEAKER_01 46:50

Lindsay. He says they pretty much gave her blackface, and she's not ashamed. He or she is not ashamed of their heritage whatsoever, but they are they're brown, you know what I mean? They're not dark complexed people. Why would they do it? So he's like, why the fuck? Yeah. Well, and then his oldest son was like was there and wanted to see as well. And he's like, he he said that they just stood there and they didn't cry because it did not look like her just complete whatsoever.

SPEAKER_06 47:24

Complete in awe and appalled by the garbage. Because people, you know, if you're doing that, you're you're working in a morgue and you're doing that, that's part of your job. You know, you get handed a picture. I've been through it. You get you hand them a picture, and you're like, okay, this is what I did it for my daddy. You know, I was like, you know, we want him to look kind of like this. They even trimmed his facial hair and did him up and made him look nice. Your dad did look just like your dad. Yeah. Even if it would have been like he would have had some crazy facial something, or do you make up, you know? Hey.

SPEAKER_01 48:00

Well, you know, I've been to another person of colors funeral in the past, and they also did not look like them at all. It was very fucking weird. It was like you weren't even looking at the person that you knew whatsoever. It was very, it was, it was, and we all talked about it afterwards for likeup job.

SPEAKER_06 48:21

I mean, like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_01 48:24

They made him look like they put there was way too much makeup, and they made him almost look like a a magician. You know what I mean? You know how a magician, like an olden day magician who was a lot more made up and had I I I I can't even, it was very eerie. I don't know how else to describe it. It was very it was unnatural.

SPEAKER_06 48:45

Right. I get it, but I don't understand. I mean, I've been to a few. I mean, we've we've been to a couple together, you know, African American or darker complexed people where we've been to the you know, funerals and such. I didn't even notice, I mean, maybe it was before me, but uh, I I don't know how you don't know how to do your fucking job and make them look natural and peaceful and nice. Right. You know.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

Now, another thing that is sketchy about this story is that the security cameras from the backyard, they were dead and had no footage on them. Now, Jean, she says that she had initially purchased them when she was in the middle of her divorce from her ex-husband. But when the divorce was over, she didn't feel the need to keep them operating. So she didn't recharge them at all. She only had security alerts that went to her phone when doors were open and closed. And some of that footage ended up disappearing.

SPEAKER_06 49:42

Yeah, because they don't want to tie into whenever people fucked in and out. Because they were doing some shady shit. That's why everybody was kind of dipping out.

SPEAKER_01 49:50

Now, this case has had a total of two investigations because after the George Floyd murder happened due to police brutality, Tam's case was renewed in public interest and also gained the interest of 50 Cent TI and uh, you know, the popularity public.

SPEAKER_06 50:11

As per it should have been beforehand. Right. You know, the town should have somebody should have stepped up. There's five people that know what the fuck happened in that house.

SPEAKER_01 50:20

And a petition was signed by over 700,000 people on change.org. And I signed that myself yesterday. Thank you. Um, so the GBI did get involved in the second investigation per the um the Kendrick, Kendrick Johnson case. They're not that reliable, you know.

SPEAKER_06 50:43

Oh, yeah. Um, you're uh Kendrick.

SPEAKER_01 50:45

They also ruled this as an accident. Now, Jose Barrera, Jean's boyfriend, much very much younger boyfriend, would later be fired for misuse of his position to look at confidential files concerning this case.

SPEAKER_06 51:04

Big red fucking establishment, the whole place. All the flags.

SPEAKER_01 51:12

Now, this case, in my humble opinion, remains unsolved. Yes. But it was closed as of July 28th, 2021.

SPEAKER_06 51:26

Wrongfully, completely hashtag justice for Tam. Yes. That is fucked.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

How much of it is fucked. I'm joking back tears right now.

SPEAKER_06 51:37

How much of fuck? That is Lindsay. Now you're not allowed to put the how the how much of fucks on me. That's a lot of how much of fucks.

SPEAKER_01 51:45

Before we head on to the music portion of our episode, I want to give some history into Forsyth County because this is Black History Month, and we are gonna bring it to light. So this was originally Cherokee County, and in 1832, it was changed and named after Governor John Forsyth. Yeah, fuck that.

SPEAKER_06 52:08

Name it back Cherokee County.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

Right.

SPEAKER_06 52:10

Yeah, stealing shit.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Now there had been gold mining uh in this area, and that declined in the 1840s, and it became a huge cotton-based economy. There's gold in Georgia? Well, there was at that time. This was the 1840s. Okay. It was a long ass time ago.

SPEAKER_05 52:26

Sucks, man. I'm pissed. I'm pissed off.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

In 1912, a white woman accused a black man of raping her, and that led to lynchings, hangings, and the burnings, uh, the burning of homes, churches, and businesses of all of the black community. And over a thousand black residents were driven out, and this would remain in all white county for decades.

Forsyth County’s Troubled History

SPEAKER_06 52:58

They rosewooded the fucking county.

SPEAKER_01 53:01

Don't say anything about rosewood because that's gonna be later on.

SPEAKER_06 53:05

So that's I didn't think there would ever be another fucking area that rosewoods.

SPEAKER_01 53:10

Forsyth County, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_06 53:13

Now, oh my god, Lindsay. Oh, I want to watch. I want let's do a fucking movie. I got a fucking move. I got a dude that does movies. I'm call up Chris, and he's gonna come down here from oh my god, let's make a movie. I want to I want to put this into history way more than we have on this podcast. I mean, we need to do it. I'm getting we're gonna cover some more history in the next two podcasts. Yeah, but I'm inspired now. You have inspired me with disgust, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_01 53:40

The KKK was so very dominant until the late 80s, and this even gained attention from Oprah in 1987. Like she visited this area at everything. Is this southern Georgia? It's Forsyth County. Uh we're just Google it. I'm not sure. I think it's around the Atlanta area because it looks like Atlanta belt houses, but I'm not 100% sure. I did not Google the area. Now, like I said at the top, this county still only remains 4% people of color to this day, 2026 now. And to close out, in my humble opinion, someone, at least one person at that house, knows something. There were 10 people there.

SPEAKER_06 54:31

Everybody that left early knows something. Lindsay. They were trying to.

SPEAKER_01 54:35

I don't want to say nothing because uh these women have been too happy, but somebody knows something. I ain't gonna say no names.

SPEAKER_06 54:43

Yeah, they speak.

SPEAKER_01 54:44

But y'all can have your opinion. Uh leave us some comments on what y'all think about this whole thing.

SPEAKER_06 54:50

We're gonna make a documentary about bullshit. Yeah, yeah. We're gonna make a movie about this. I'm gonna hit number bro, man. He does like fucking movies. I'm gonna we're making a doc about all that and tying this into it. Fucking Rosewood and Georgia, man. I think that happened. Um anyway.

SPEAKER_01 55:09

We're gonna we're gonna talk about Emmett Till next week, and then we are going to talk about Rosewood after that.

SPEAKER_06 55:16

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

That's already in my agenda.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

Rosewood.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Jesse is very passionate about Rosewood. So I am challenging you, sir, to contribute with me on this on that on that one. So two weeks. You got two weeks. I'll add Aunt Aggie into it. And you're saying send me your notes and I will add them into the script.

SPEAKER_06 55:38

Yeah, we'll add on our town into that one too. We'll just tie in because it's so close. It's holy fuck. Lindsay. Okay, okay, okay. Don't I mean, you know, yeah, I gotta do it because it's a story and it's gonna and I don't want to do it. Well, thank you for sharing this.

SPEAKER_01 56:01

I have a horrific is Lee and all of her beautiful children. I'm gonna post pictures and they are lucky beautiful children. Thriving. I hope that they have some, that they find peace and love and success. Like I wish I send them all the good vibes that I can possibly muster up within myself. And I just I hope that you guys can. I I don't even want to say move on because you don't have closure. You don't have closure. And I completely agree with that. But I hope that you can make a beautiful life and honor your mother and your wife the best way that you can with what's given to you.

SPEAKER_06 56:51

We believe your mother was an amazing human. I'm trying fighting back tears really hard, right? Right around the wrong fucking people, you know.

SPEAKER_01 57:03

And she was just trying to be a part. She was just trying to be a part of her children's world, local society, her society, everything. There you oh my god, you're just Tamily, you were beautiful. Leander, you're beautiful. All your children are beautiful. I've seen pictures, and they are just beautiful people.

SPEAKER_06 57:22

We want y'all to come and Lindsay will cook.

SPEAKER_01 57:25

I will.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

That's what we want.

SPEAKER_06 57:28

We want to compare fucking food. Come over. Let's have some conversations. Oh my god, Lindsay, is it my turn?

SPEAKER_01 57:34

It's your turn. Please cleanse my palate right now. What amazing band are you gonna play for us today?

SPEAKER_06 57:46

This band is called Joanna Rose. You're gonna love it.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

I'm so excited. I'm I'm already finding them on their stuff.

SPEAKER_06 57:58

I'm excited. Lindsay, you're gonna get fired up. Let's all get fired up about this. It's a good palette cleanser.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

And what's the name of the song?

SPEAKER_06 58:04

It's Montreal Mess Around. So check this shit out. I'm excited. We're fit to do this thing. Check them out.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

I know my baby. Gonna mess around on me. Yeah, I know my baby. Gonna mess around on me. But I got a 45 That's different. He's a real smooth talker. But he doesn't say my save. He's a real smooth talker. But he doesn't say my save. And I tell you, pretty baby. He's gonna come to the top in tough.

SPEAKER_04 59:35

He's saying like a crow. I haven't seen him since he ain't been I know my baby.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

Gonna press him around the meeting. But I got a 45. Let's say it's differently.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:19

Yeah no my baby gonna pass around mess around mess around me on my baby gonna pass around dumb mess around mess around on me but I got a forty-five that's it's different mess around mess around on me Lindsay Oh my God I fucking love it I want all that all the time so on Instagram um they are under Dream Boat Lives and um or Dream Boat Lives and they are listed as gutter jazz bass player in New Orleans they are under Flail Records and uh on Spotify Joanna Rose and uh they have a lot of songs and I I want to listen to them the Hobo Gadget junk band was also part of I want to listen to their entire catalog right now don't we ever bit of it it's you know and it really it it gives me like centers vibes which is I mean of course of course of course well like that is like a badass newer vampire movie our son is into it uh Landon he was on our part three of the Jinx he is super into centers which features Michael B. Jordan is by Ryan Kugler I mean that movie and it was so cool because it's New Orleans based it's got blues it's got jazz in it and that just really gave me like centers vibes.

Music Break: Joanna Rose

SPEAKER_06 1:02:25

Well we were talking about like centers also Street City centers. Yeah that vibe too I mean of course Sin City centers or is it Bridge City Bridge City Center. Yeah look how bridge city centers first check this shit out yeah every bit of this first join us in this start joking around this kitchen like I want to go find me a backwoods ass fucking barn and build a juke and have some shit like this dude I want some I want some sugar you know who would approve that would fucking Tamla Horsford and approve that shit right there. A sug avery juke dude that would be good watch a color purple both 'em both them both them Jesse and I have we love the color purple and then when the musical came out oh my god oh my god dude I was so lit up it was so we were sob fest over here isn't that into a musical oh my god oh my god is it perfect it is perfect yes we love true crime and we love music my god and we love this band so go check it out yes I want to listen to their whole catalog I think we're gonna juke that all weekend you want to juke some of that all weekend absolutely I want to listen to the all their catalog surround on me surround on me surround on me oh yes you're deep ingrained right here I am my chair is squeaking it's mine too mine always squeaks you can hear in the background I don't know if you guys can hear it but I can hear it I won't edit it out this time but Lizzie what a fucking story dude like we need justice I feel like it needs to come back to light Georgia what the fuck is going on bro the fam needs to come down and we're gonna cook out of mercy we're gonna cook out and we're gonna listen to some of this and the rose the Horseford family is welcome at this house at any time as long as well as um the Johnsons like come on over let's have a friggin' cookout for sure that Lindsay we're gonna get back at our whole weekend I'm gonna I'm uh and I'm sad that I didn't do it so I'm gonna Google where they are you know what though Lindsay I think we should have the fam down and Joanna Rose and the band we're just gonna have a little cookout that's what we need to do that would be awesome. So they are 40 miles north of Atlanta which made a lot of sense to me because of the way her house is it was very similar because I spent a a little time I lived in Atlanta a very very long time ago for well the suburbs of Atlanta I lived in Lawrenceville so yeah 40 miles north of Atlanta is where um uh Cummings is which is in Forsyth County Georgia get your shit together man I hope they have their shit together by now because fucking well that wasn't very long ago no that was not long ago Lancy you're slapping me with it all together oh I was saying Kendrick Johnson was in 2013 Georgia Tamla Harsford was or Horseford was in 2018 like let's fuck this racist bullshit man fuck it full on fully and and Tyna Rosewood style fucking so bad how many towns like that if you know about towns like that let us know because I didn't know there was another town like Rosewood holy fuck the same kind of scenario my mama done got raped we're gonna kill everybody and it wasn't even it wasn't real either no oh fuck just yeah spoilers but we're gonna get into all of that history yes oh my god stay tuned for the rest of the stay tuned Lindsay let's go get off into some publix subs.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:24

Yes we have we have we have a full public spread we've got public subs sides chicken um sushi the whole shebang great thing about living in Florida is publics uh we will say that for sure and living near a lot of bodies of water yeah yeah oh man I am excited about like I love cold weather but my plants are dying my outside my outside plants are like why did you just do this to me? Why are you freezing me out? But uh yeah we've got another week of some freezing weather coming up winter's coming I'm joking it again Jesse's on it I'm ready to go we'll see you guys though next Friday hope you have a great weekend yes we love you so much and I'm gonna do our plugs really quick um so on uh or our website is drinkabout something dot sights our Instagram is drinkabout something our gmail is drinkabout something pod at gmail dot com and our TikTok where we do do live recaps every week is drinkabout something underscore no drink about something pod underscore Lindsay yeah so follow us on all the things rate review like subscribe we love you so much yes Montreal mess around though we're and we'll see you next week oh my god I can't wait this store was fucked up Lindsay we will see you guys then though we love you so much thank you so much and thank you to the band we yes our our our listeners we we we see the stats we know you're listening and we love you we'll see you guys then though bye