EPISODE 67: THE ROSEWOOD MASSACRE

A lie, a mob, and a thriving Black town erased. We pour a drink and walk straight into the history so many of us were never taught: the Rosewood Massacre of 1923. Rosewood was more than a dot on a map—it was a self-sustaining Black community with churches, mills, a post office, a ball team, and two-story homes rising from Florida’s red cedar country. When a white woman’s accusation in nearby Sumner collided with a sheriff’s posse and Klan mobilization, the story spiraled into torture, lynching, a siege at the Carrier home, and the burning of Rosewood’s heart. Families fled into January swamps. Trains spirited women and children out before dawn. Newspapers framed it as a “race war,” shifting blame from arsonists to the people defending their lives.

We trace how fear enforced silence for seventy years, until a reporter’s work in the early 1980s surfaced survivor accounts and pushed Florida toward a rare reparations bill. We talk numbers, too—what was paid, what was promised, and the generational wealth that vanished when homes, businesses, and land went up in smoke. Along the way, we ground the story in place: State Road 24’s heritage marker, the rail line that carried evacuees, and the communities that stepped up when officials stood down. We also share resources to go deeper, from the film “Rosewood” to the series “Dreams of Black Wall Street,” which connects this atrocity to a wider map of American dispossession.

This isn’t about reliving pain for its own sake. It’s about clarity—naming how rumor, racism, and power aligned, and how easily history can be buried when silence takes root. We hold space for grief, then press forward with resolve: teach the specifics, visit the sites, read the markers out loud, and keep the names alive. If this story moved you, subscribe, share it with someone who’s never heard of Rosewood, and leave a review telling us what you’ll pass on to the next person.

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Transcript

Friday Night Crew And Drinks

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Hey Jesse.

SPEAKER_05 0:02

Hello. Hello. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

You ain't gonna say my name today?

SPEAKER_05 0:08

Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

And hey Landon!

SPEAKER_05 0:11

Hey guys. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Hey Jojo. Hi.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

Hello. Hello. Hello, everybody. Yes. There's a four-pack here.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

We got a four. We got a quattro.

SPEAKER_05 0:21

We're riding quad.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Full house. Full house. Full house today. It's Friday night. We're filling out.

SPEAKER_05 0:28

Four people get together at a table.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

TGI.

SPEAKER_05 0:31

On a Friday. Having drinks and talking all kind of horrific things.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Jesse, what's you drinking today?

SPEAKER_05 0:39

Coming this summer. Your blockbuster hit from Drink About Something. Lindsay, today we are drinking Kickin' Chicken.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

And translate that for our listeners.

SPEAKER_05 0:54

It's wild turkey. I'm not going too ham though. I'm going to have like one or two, maybe just two of these little little glasses. That's what I'm going to do, because, you know, I'm going to get myself some cheap wild turkey glasses. What are you drinking over there?

SPEAKER_00 1:12

What are you having to drink, Jojo?

SPEAKER_01 1:14

I have a great Vista Bay subserve. Yes. Isn't it good? They are so good. I love the grape flavors. They're my favorite.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

Yeah, I'm going to talk Jojo into taking a shot with me. She'll be Vista Chicken.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

And I have Chicken Vista. I'm always down for the shot, Jesse. Oh yeah. Party potty!

SPEAKER_05 1:34

Shady we shotty. What are you drinking, Lindsay? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Blackberry, white club.

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Bamble lamb. Bamble lamb. Yeah. And Landon is here, but uh, I think he has a oh, he has a root beer. Yes. And his deft tone shirt, which looks so amazing. And I just wanted to say, happy Friday, everybody. Here we go. It's easy now, but it's all up. So you um you always ask this, Lindsay.

What Made You Feel Old This Week

SPEAKER_00 2:25

What made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_05 2:27

I'm not going first because we have guests and it's on them.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

All right, Jojo, you're up. Oh wow. What made me feel old this week? You know, I really I I don't know. We don't have one. You felt great and Spritey this week. Yeah. I'm always tired. I guess that makes me feel old because I'm always tired. Always, always tired.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Landon, even though you're only 20. What made you feel old this week?

SPEAKER_03 2:58

Just tonight when you uh said Silas, it's the skating ring heiress. Oh that made me feel old. Oh, little baby brother. Yeah. Literally, like that was me. That's so cute 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Yeah, Silas popped in with one of his neighbor buddies and was like, Can I go to the skating rink with my friend? And I was like, okay, get on some socks. Here's some money. Put on some deodorant.

SPEAKER_05 3:20

He was so happy. Yes. He's gonna go rock the ring.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Yeah, he's riding with his friend's mom who drives a Tesla, so he's gonna be in heaven for a while.

SPEAKER_05 3:29

Yeah, he loves it. He's gonna have fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

So is it my turn?

SPEAKER_05 3:33

Or no, it's your turn. No, no, no, no. Yeah, I'm gonna wait for ever robotti before me.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Well, you gave me your colds a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 3:42

Yeah, but that happens all the time, especially this time of year.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Well, yeah, and you know, so um I've just been like, I don't know, Sunday night, I didn't, I wasn't feeling great. And then Monday, like I got up and I did my normal routine. And by 11 o'clock, I was like, like in the morning. I was like, I gotta take a nap. And I slept for an hour and a half. I had to. Like I could not function anymore that day.

SPEAKER_05 4:12

So you gotta shut down, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:14

And Silas came just you know, burst through our room with no, with no knock, no nothing, no permission. And I was like, no, get out. I'm having the most wonderful sleep.

SPEAKER_05 4:28

Probably was right before it.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Yeah, it was like I don't even know if I was it felt like a I was talking to him in my dream. I might have been, I don't know. But yeah, like I just I had to have that hour and a half nap, or I was not gonna be good.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

That correlates with what I said makes me feel oh, because those mainday naps are everything. Yeah, usually I'm like 15 minutes, maybe 10, and I'm okay. Little cat naps, like it's like a retard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

But that day, Monday, I had to have an hour and a half.

SPEAKER_05 4:58

So I'm not going by ailments this time on mine.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 5:01

Like old ailments, like old people ailments.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 5:04

I mean, Lana didn't really either. He just, you know, he has no excuse over there. So yeah, my old was uh He's gotta refer to his notes. I uh well, I was having a bathroom conversation when somebody was in stall number one and I was trying to pee. And something came up about uh playing tic-tac-toe. Um I don't, I'm not even an ask. Yeah, and I even I turned it up a little bit more and I said, well, we'll play SOS instead. Who remembers that?

SPEAKER_01 5:33

Yes, I remember SOS. I used to play that.

SPEAKER_05 5:37

The last time I played SOS was like 36 years ago. Oh that made me feel old. Like in school, like we would use we would take up our whole period. You said numbers that were really large. Yeah, yeah, and we would like sneak through like a little SOS paper, and we would play with somebody in SOS, like during the whole whatever semester, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

When I was when I would drive a school bus with Alyssa's mom, Kelly. Holy shit. She and I were the school bus together, and we would make it on notebook paper. Yeah, you draw the lines, make a little SOS tar and play SOS right there on the school bus.

Schoolyard Games And Risky Kid Stunts

SPEAKER_05 6:12

Yeah, and we would like the whole period, like math or whatever, like we're sneaking like next to your neighbor, you know, in the classroom, and we're like, here's your paper, you know, hit your S or O.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

So wait a minute.

SPEAKER_05 6:26

I'm like, did this die at me? Did this did SOS die at the end of the day? George was a little older, so she she gets it. Like she she gets the SOS. SOS bros. That's cool, man. Yeah, it must be. I was hoping somebody would remember it, but 36 years ago, that was probably the last time I played SOS.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

When I saw SOS on your paper, I thought you were talking about the SOS dances that we had. Oh, it's our students. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:49

No, no, this wasn't. But hey, we used to do SOS at Richardson community, which was one of our stories.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Give me a brief overview.

SPEAKER_05 6:56

So you draw like a grid out on the pay on the paper, right? Little small squares. You would draw lines, you know, this way and that uh, you know, vertical, horizontal, and you would grid it all out into small squares. And if you created SOS, you get you got a line. So yeah, I don't remember that at all. Yeah, so it was like tic-tac-toe, but you had to be strategic on where you put your SOS, and then you, if you got it, and you you would get the point, and you mark little points down. Whoever had the most SOS wins.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Really uh, I've never played that. Yeah, before cell phones. Yeah, elder millennial Jesse.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

It really did die with me. Jojo remembers it, though. That is so awesome. I mean, Jesse is I didn't know if Lindsay knew it or not. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Jesse's age is the eldest millennial.

SPEAKER_05 7:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

And then uh from 81.

SPEAKER_05 7:43

Yeah, back in 81.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

You are 79, right? Yes, okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 7:47

She's Gen X.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

So it died in 81. Yeah. Well, it died with um it died with the 81 babies, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:54

I do believe so, because I mean I was like in middle school or something back then. So I mean, or maybe maybe ninth grade, maybe the latest. I probably played it, but middle school for sure was like I was the SOS champion, dude.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Yeah, that's cool though.

SPEAKER_05 8:07

Yeah, it's like we went definitely a fun game. We went from playing pencil break to SOS.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

I do remember pencil break.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

Yeah. My mom would whoop my ass. What are you doing breaking all these pencils? Oh, yeah. You come on with a backpack full of like broken pencils, and we were poor. Yeah, where you fold the football and flicked it. Anyhow, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

Um, my generation makes me definitely totally different. We we made weapons out of our pencils and our pens, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:35

With the spring turning around backwards. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:38

I had a friend tattoo me in sixth grade with her pen.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Yeah, we did that in sixth grade.

SPEAKER_00 8:43

Okay, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

We did that with a mechanical.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

That was my technically my first tattoo.

SPEAKER_05 8:48

Sixth grade was like jail, huh? She's like getting jail house tattoos in sixth grade.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Well, she carved, she would carve with uh, so you would you took a paper clip. You would take a paperclip and then you would like carve and then until you drew blood, yeah, and then go back in with the ink. But are you scratch yourself until you're gonna be able to get it?

SPEAKER_05 9:10

I still got the button scar on my hand from where we used to do that. We would put on a ladder, like one of those metal buttons. See it? And then set it on. It used to be a circle right there. And I had a yeah, what stupid kids we were.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Remember the ice and the salt trick?

SPEAKER_05 9:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Yeah. I remember going home and trying that, and I was like, this is bullshit. This hurts.

SPEAKER_05 9:29

God, kids, man. You believe all the crazy things that we used to do for nothing. Just I don't know why.

SPEAKER_00 9:36

I remember watching a girl necklace. Yeah, that too, bloody knuckles. But she would take she took a necklace and fed it through her nose and pulled it back out of her mouth.

SPEAKER_05 9:49

Oh we all knew that kid. So gross. Yeah, let us know if you've known that kid that could snort something through their nose and then bring it out through their mouth. Yeah, we all didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05 10:00

Yeah, we all do that.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

The 90s, 80s and 90s were wild.

Setting The Stage: Rosewood’s History

SPEAKER_05 10:04

I knew kids that would poke safety pins through their ear, like in class. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So uh oh old and dumb kid stuff. Wow. 36 years ago, Lindsay. Ooh. You have stories though, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Yes, so we are we're still in Black History Month, and we we kicked it off with the injustice of the Tamla Horseburg case and the absolute horrific story of Emmett Till. And today we're gonna go a little bit more horror.

SPEAKER_04 10:41

Really?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

Yes. So, what we're drinking about today is um the Rosewood Massacre. Lindsay, I'm not ready. I know about no, Lindsay. Hold on. I'm gonna, I'm, I'm leading up to I know hold on. Oh god. Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 11:00

No, I don't want to be here for this. There's already three of y'all. Y'all handle this.

SPEAKER_00 11:04

So back in Jesse and I's beginnings, he took me on a charter fishing trip down in Clearwater. Uh, and on the way back, he took me through this area where this absolutely unnecessary garbage fucking thing happened. And he educated me a little bit on it. And then we ordered the movie to come in the mail in the mail on Netflix. That was back when you still had to order it.

SPEAKER_03 11:33

You ordered your movie. Yeah, yeah, it was Redbox and shit, too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Well, well, with your Netflix subscription, like we had both. We could stream and we could order the movie because you couldn't stream it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:44

You had to rent that movie. It's like Amazon almost.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

Yeah, you got like eight DVDs a week or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

And then you had to return it to get more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:53

Man, I miss Redbox, though.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

I know. Redbox was fun. Do you remember everything streaming now?

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

I mean, you really don't need it.

SPEAKER_03 12:03

Yeah, for as kids though, like you get to go up to this machine and just click a movie. It's like a vending machine, you're getting candy, yeah. Movie candy.

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah, I get that. I can understand the thing.

SPEAKER_05 12:12

But the thing about it might not be as cool though. There's no commercials when you have those. Yeah, as TV no commercials and shit.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

You know, commercials don't bother me because I'm I'm gonna commercial. True, but I fucking. But we went a while though, didn't we? Didn't we go?

SPEAKER_03 12:27

It's on the same streaming app, like it replays the same commercials.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Yeah, and that's what bothers me is the same stuff over and over.

SPEAKER_00 12:35

And that shit that you were talking about the day before.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Ooh. Fortal Hat. Four hat.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

So, real quick, side story. Uh, Landon and I went to Red Box at Walmart, and we got the very first Thor movie.

SPEAKER_03 12:49

I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 12:49

Do you remember that we left it on the top of my car?

SPEAKER_03 12:52

Yes, and it stayed there.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

No, it didn't. Oh, it didn't? No, I had to pay full price for that movie. Oh, the$45. We went back and rented another copy. Or coffee. Copy. We went back and rented another copy, but yes, I even emailed them and said, hey, listen, and they didn't give a fuck. Uh$22 was what I made.

SPEAKER_04 13:13

Oh,$22.

SPEAKER_00 13:14

That thor very first Thor movie. But we ended up getting another copy. We watched it, loved it, and we've been obsessed ever since.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

Yeah, that movie was amazing. I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yes.

The Allegation In Sumner

SPEAKER_05 13:24

Being a single mom, I bet you that made your pocket very Thor.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Yeah. Very Thor.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Ah, I see what you did.

SPEAKER_00 13:34

So, unlike most of our episodes where Jesse knows nothing or very little, he actually knows a lot about it. So in this episode, listeners, and Landon and Jojo, if y'all don't know, um, I'm talking directly to you about the Rosewood Massacre that happened in Rosewood, Florida. So Rosewood was named after the red cedar trees that were in the area. And this is about nine miles east off the uh Gulf of Mexico. And after the Civil War, black landowners would pretty much dominate this area and they were thriving. They were doing amazing. Now, most of the white people had left and moved to uh the basically neighboring town called Sumner. Now they moved to Sumner because uh there was a sawmill plant there along with citrus and cotton farming, and that provided a lot of jobs. Now, they had the white people moved from Rosewood to Sumner because they chopped down all these beautiful cedar trees and used them all for furniture and lumber and stuff, but they didn't replant.

SPEAKER_05 14:46

So the work was gone. So the work was gone.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 14:50

So the African American community stayed there where all the thriving community community. For sure they did. And I think they were probably using like the Waukasassa River and stuff to float those down to the mill and everything. Yes. Because uh, I know that whole Bronson area. I used to build bridges over there, yeah. Really cool, a lot of cool history, Native American history.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

Yeah, you took me through there, yep.

SPEAKER_05 15:10

Yeah, I used to do a um a Native American stomp dance out there in the woods that was still going from way back before. That was really cool. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Well, remind me also at the end um to mention uh a tribe that I did not put in either one of my notes, my types or my side favorite notes.

SPEAKER_05 15:30

Yeah, that was that was uh uh Muscogee.

SPEAKER_00 15:33

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_05 15:34

That was a Muscogee card that was all that way.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

I have to give our bestie Aaron Russell another shout out. She turned me on to another podcast that is, it was initially started for another um black community massacre, but they got such good, like she was just gonna talk about that one subject and end it, but it got such brave reviews that she continued it and started talking about other events that happened to the black community. And um I listened to it today and I was it's very educational. I'm gonna mention it at the end.

SPEAKER_05 16:09

Yeah, and after um, after Green Corn came through that area where they had killed off all the the wildlife and and trying to starve out the Native Americans, like they brought a lot of cattle through there that's a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Yeah, I heard I learned about that today.

The Mob Forms And Violence Begins

SPEAKER_05 16:21

And the the still existing Muskogee and and natives in that area, that's where they came up with that Walka Sassa. I think that's what that means is place where the cows live is is the Waca Sassa? Yeah. Okay. So that's why you got like Walka Sassa, Homa Sassa. There's a lot of sasses in the city. Yes, there is a lot of history too. Yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_00 16:41

So Rosewood had everything it needed for a good community. It had a post office, a Masonic Lodge. It had three churches. There was two black and one white church for the remaining white people that were still in the area, a turpentine mill, a sugar cane mill, and a train station to bring in goods that they ordered like from the Sears catalog back then, things like that. Right. They even had their own baseball team. So they were thriving. And they had two-story houses, which was kind of unheard of in that time period. By the way, this is 1923. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 17:16

Back in the Twinkies.

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

That was like Great Depression time 100 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Before, right before the Depression. Yes. So a man named James Taylor, not the singer, not the boring ass monotone singer. Sorry. Sorry, James Taylor. Come on now.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

I'm not Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Um, a man named James Taylor lived in Sumner with his wife Fanny and their two kids. And on January 1st, 1923, James left before daylight to go to work at the sawmill. Now, not too long after he left, like it was still dark outside, a neighbor heard Fanny scream. And this neighbor grabbed her gun and ran over to find Fanny beaten and bruised and laying on the floor. Fanny said that a black man had come into her house and attacked her. At first, she said that he had just beaten her in the face, but would later say that she had also been raped and robbed.

unknown 18:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Now, Sarah Carrier, uh, she was a woman who lived in Rosewood and she was a laundress for the Taylors and a few other families. She had brought her granddaughter to work with her that day, and her name was Philomena Goynes. She told the folks in Rosewood a different story that it was a white man that had beaten Fanny. And this man had been to the Taylor's house many times after James would leave for work.

SPEAKER_05 18:57

Oh, a sneaky lane. Probably more than that.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

And I found out today, uh, listening to that historian podcast, his name was James too. I think his name was James Wright.

SPEAKER_05 19:08

You know how many towns have been fucked up over some shit like this, Lindsay.

The Carrier Home Standoff

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Well, I heard um when I was listening to another historian podcast uh that is produced by a black man, he said that in this time period and even today, that the tears of a white woman are dangerous. And I couldn't agree more. So fucking lately. That is from all this history that I have been listening to and diving into, it's absolutely the truth.

SPEAKER_05 19:39

Lindsay, you kind of know it firsthand. You've been in depositions over so I literally have. Yes. Oh, goodness gracious.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Uh just want to say this little side story off the rip. My first marriage, um, my sister-in-law from that first marriage. She, when she was a teenager, she lost her virginity to a black guy. And instead, or she was so ashamed of it, or not ashamed, or so scared of her family finding out that she she she cried rape. And then later admitted to lying about it. But like there was it was a huge deal.

SPEAKER_05 20:25

So there we go again.

SPEAKER_00 20:26

And I was just absolutely horrified. Like, I was only 18 years old when I first got married, right? Or 19. You when you find something like that out about a person, it really just makes you look at them in a completely different way.

SPEAKER_05 20:41

Right, no integrity, and and and you you have to stand up for what you've gone through and done.

SPEAKER_01 20:45

I mean, you're messing with somebody's lives, somebody's life lies like that, and that has happened so much, called a lot, more than it should way more than it should.

SPEAKER_05 20:56

Some people be conniving.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Yes. And we know that.

SPEAKER_05 20:59

Especially when they get back in a corner in our own family as well.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

So, well, she told uh Philomena told that story to the people of Rosewood, which was the truth. Uh, but all the white people, they believed Fanny. Now there had been an escaped prisoner from a chain gang in the area named Jesse Hunter. So the sheriff, Robert Elias Walker, I heard a podcaster call him Walker Florida Ranger instead of Walker, Texas Ranger, and I kind of chuckled at that. Now uh he formed a posse to start looking for Jesse Hunter because not only was he an escaped prisoner, they also assumed that this is who attacked Fanny.

SPEAKER_05 21:46

Oh, of course. We're gonna go grab your shotgun.

Burning Rosewood And Flight To The Swamps

SPEAKER_00 21:47

We're all gonna go do spread soon uh from Cedar Key to Otter Creek to Chiefland and Bronson to Gainesville. The gate. Okay, so at this exact same time, there were a hundred clan members in Gainesville.

SPEAKER_05 22:10

They mobbed up.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Oh my God, yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:13

Hey, I wonder if they cut the odd holes outright in the map.

SPEAKER_00 22:17

I couldn't see shit through this fucking thing. Like in Django.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

Yeah, that's one of the best things.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

I'm dying because that was the first thing I thought of when she said. I was wondering if they cut an odd hole straight.

SPEAKER_05 22:31

But they're all in model T's instead of horses, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

They're fucking driving all over the road and wrecking in a ditch in the swamps. No, we watched the movie. They were still pretty much all on horseback.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

No, he's talking about in the time you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

No, they were on horseback in there too.

SPEAKER_05 22:47

But yeah. No, in Rosewood. In Rosewood, they were riding Model T's inside.

SPEAKER_00 22:52

But we watched the movie and they were mostly on horseback. Right. And according to my research.

SPEAKER_05 22:56

I don't know if you're going to talk about where they meet together on 26 right there between Gainesville and that area.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Well, let's get there. Okay. Let's get to that point of the story. I'll let you talk about it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

So this mob ended up being about 400 men. Fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_05 23:13

That's enough to take over a whole city. Just a mob, just to take over the city.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

That was the population of like Rosewood because it was mostly a predominantly black-owned town at that point. Right. All the white people had moved to Sumner.

SPEAKER_05 23:29

Yeah. Goodness gracious.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Now the sheriff tried to deputize these men, but he couldn't swear everyone in because the mob was so large. And I guess he was just trying to make it civil and legal. I don't know what his point was there, but um he was he was successful in deputizing some of them. Now the deputizemen went to the local prison to borrow some bloodhounds to track Jesse down.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

No. Was old Red involved?

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Ah, old Red, yes.

SPEAKER_05 24:03

I mean, I I'm just I'm really I'm trying to make jokes in the middle of how disgusted I really am.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Horrible story.

SPEAKER_05 24:09

So the thing is, is a bunch of dudes don't have shit else to do for entertainment except for just be racist and and and go after some bullshit ass story that they I know their intentions, Lindsay. God I know their intentions, and I'm just disgusted. Find something better to do, you know, just leave that up to the to the local law enforcement. Even if you're investigating a little bit fucking better. Some better questions, dude.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

Yeah. Oh yeah. Now, word was that he, Jesse, Jesse Hunter, the the prisoner escapee.

SPEAKER_05 24:44

Yeah, not me.

Media Spin, Death Toll, And Silence

SPEAKER_00 24:45

That he was last seen with a man named Sam Carter, who was a local blacksmith in the area. So they bum rushed his house and demanded to know where Jesse was. Now, Sam admitted to uh harboring the fugitive. Well, not really harboring him, he he gave him a ride and led him to the spot where he last saw him. But the dogs, the the bloodhounds, they didn't pick up the scent of Jesse Hunter. So they kidnapped Sam and hung Sam by a tree so that he would tell them what they wanted to hear. What? And when he didn't tell him tell them what they wanted to hear, they shot him and left his body in the road. Well, they hung, okay. So they hung him. It's what's called a uh not court.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

They lynched him to a tree. Yeah, yeah, so it was like a partial hang. Oh, so he wasn't dead. So he was just strangling. So they were trying to scare him.

SPEAKER_00 25:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were trying to scare him.

SPEAKER_05 25:47

Innocent bystander, really. Just a random. Oh, there's there's one of the colored people. We're gonna grab him up. Well, they probably didn't say that. They probably said something.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Oh, they said the you know what they said. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

What the fuck? They're just gonna grab somebody, right? Come on, man.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Word spread quickly of Sam's death and of the angry mob that was, you know, roaming around. So many of the black community decided to get together at Sarah Carrier's house. Now, along the road, uh, Sylvester Carrier, he had been spotted by the mob. That was Sarah's son. And they told him, they spared him and said to get the fuck out of town. Well, he was like, no, not going to. So he went back to Sarah's house and the community and gathered as many as he could into their house, okay? And now Sam or Sylvester, he was an excellent huntsman. He he was a good shot. He he knew what he was doing when it came to a gun. So the mob get wind of this, that you know, there's people gathered here. Oh, we're gonna have a war. Yeah, and they surrounded, they're getting ready for war. Yeah, they surrounded Sarah Carrier's house. Now there was about 15 to 20 people hiding in this house, including children. Now, Sylvester Carrier and possibly two other men were armed and ready to protect the house. And the mob first, they shoot the dog. They foot shoot the family dog. Like, why? Why do you have to do that?

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Why are you gonna shoot the dog?

SPEAKER_05 27:30

They want blood, dude. They're all fired up, and it's a bunch of bullshit. Why get fired up about something like this?

SPEAKER_00 27:36

That's dying.

SPEAKER_05 27:37

Not to the point where you're gonna grab up people and go kill them people. It don't even make no sense. I'm pissed off.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

None of this makes sense, but shooting the dog makes even lesser sense.

SPEAKER_05 27:47

Yeah.

Decades Later: Reporting And Reparations

SPEAKER_00 27:48

So there was a stand down. Now, after nobody came out of the house, white, like the white mob demanded that they do, they opened fire. And Sarah was shot in the head. And Sylvester, now Sylvester put up a fight. He did uh end up shooting two of the men, but unfortunately, Sylvester was also caught in the line of bullet exchange.

SPEAKER_05 28:20

Oh fuck. They're just fucking vile ass humans, dude.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Like he put up a great fight, but he went down.

SPEAKER_05 28:28

But I mean, at the same time, what other choice do you have as being an African American at this point?

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Right.

SPEAKER_05 28:34

You have no choice because they're gonna say they're gonna kill him. I mean, they're gonna they're gonna take him out.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

And and everybody's gonna play is gory. Right. Protecting your property.

SPEAKER_05 28:44

I would too, man.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

In a blaze.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

That's my favorite Bon Jovi song, by the way. Like 110%.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

You know what? I think that's probably I could probably say that to you. Because that is a I could listen to that song on repeat. Yes. It's a damn thing.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

I've been listening to uh Brandy on Repeat. Like that song's so good. Brandy?

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Like the Brandy from By Looking Glass? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:12

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

I thought he was like, okay. I thought he was over there like, I wanna be tank. I was thinking that. We've been on the Guardians of the Galaxy. Uh yeah. Now look, you can listen to Brandy, the RD artist, too, because she's great.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Yeah, but no, I'm talking about looking glass are a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

I got you, bro. That's cool. That's cool. I mean, uh, side fucking chuckles, but at the same time, putting your putting your head in that space right now, like really visualizing the horror is horrible in everything that's going through, and you got this mobile. You don't even know why you're gonna fucked up ass.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

You have no idea why.

SPEAKER_05 29:49

Dudes that don't give a fuck, and they're gonna kill anything.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Like he's told while he's walking down the road that he needs to get out of town by this mob of 400 men, a hundred of them the clan. And then he goes and he, oh my god, it's just it's fucking terrible.

SPEAKER_07 30:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

So now many of the others in the house did escape out of the back door and they went and hid in the swamps, as did several other residents in Rosewood. And they had to hide there for a few days.

SPEAKER_05 30:19

And I have played in those same ass swamps.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Well, I was gonna say, non-Florida residents, it's very cold down here in January, as we've just experienced. My outside plants are dead right now.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

And I covered work last weekend and in 20, it was 21 degrees when I got in my car to go to work. I thought I was dying. It was freezing.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

And they said that it was like exceptionally cold that January. And these people are having to hide in the swamp for days. Wow. I don't know. Now, this angry mob would continue to set fire to churches and houses and also opening fire at these houses. So what they would do would they would set fire to the house.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

Who comes running.

Legacy, Memorials, And Survivor Stories

SPEAKER_00 31:09

And then people that would come out, they would gun themselves.

SPEAKER_05 31:12

Right. The whole fucking town, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 31:15

The whole town.

SPEAKER_05 31:16

Oh. I need a I need a safe spot for this, man. This is a bad one. The plant does not carry me on this one. Because I'm picturing all the horrific things. Just women, children, dudes running everywhere, fearing for their life, and then just everybody's just standing back with shotguns and and get emergency another one. Boom, boom. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Disgusting. Now, uh W.H. Pillsbury, who ran not the biscuit guy, but uh this guy who ran the sawmill in the area, he did hide some of the black community in his mill. And his wife would help some of the refugees because basically now they're refugees in their own area.

SPEAKER_04 31:59

Right. Yeah. They have to, they're running for their life right now.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Now check this out. Governor Kerry Hardy, who was governor of Florida at the time, he had the National Guard on standby, but he received word from the sheriff of the area that his services weren't necessary. So he just went on about life.

SPEAKER_05 32:19

Wow. And didn't it? So at this point, this is unfolded over like the course of a week or so, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:24

So it's gonna be a total of seven days. It goes from January 1st to January 2nd.

SPEAKER_05 32:29

That's what I was thinking too. Because from what I knew, it was it was like a week-long thing. So this is probably his notifications was probably time traveling. And that's what I was gonna say. So we were three days in before he actually could get something organized. And then he was just like, oh, it'll fistle out, it'll be its own thing, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:45

Well, what I was gonna say was this started on January 1st. This was on January 6th. Now the men who ran the railroads in the area, uh, they were uh Jewish brothers named John and William Bryce. They decided to step in and help. And even though they were terrified of the mob, they still did the thing. They came through the area at like four in the morning. Now they only got women and children out, not any men. And black residents of Gainesville, they took in many of the Rosewood evacuees.

SPEAKER_05 33:20

Right. Kudos to Gainesville, because uh Gainesville does stand up a little bit on this one. You know, I'm I'm very glad.

SPEAKER_00 33:27

Yeah, even though the Klan had come down from Gainesville.

SPEAKER_05 33:30

Yeah, you know, yeah. They had them a click over there, the sons of bitches.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Sons of bitches. And then on January 7th, a mob between 100 and 150 white men went back to Rosewood and continued to burn down the rest of everything.

SPEAKER_04 33:50

For what? For fucking what?

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Exactly.

Keep Telling It: Resources And Film

SPEAKER_01 33:54

All over one white lying ass, cheating ass bitch that wanted to sleep with that man.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Exactly. Oh, yeah, she had been having an affair with him for a while.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

It was a white dude that was beating her.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

Yes, yeah, like her husband hadn't even long left yet.

SPEAKER_05 34:10

Hey, he went to work and he's like, oh, there's a spot for my boots. Let me go in there. And something didn't go aright, and he, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Now it's also said that Sam had actually not even helped out Jesse Hunter, the fugitive, but had helped out James Wright, the the rape, the guy that's banging his own legend. Yeah, the the yeah, the paramour. By now, the whole massacre had been reported in many newspapers such as the St. Petersburg Independent, the Florida Times Union, the Miami Herald, the Miami Metropolis, the Washington Post, the St. Louis Dispatch.

SPEAKER_05 34:58

Fuck, it's yeah, it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

The Chicago Defender. And this was printed as a race war, basically leaning towards the side that it was the black community's fault, that they were armed.

SPEAKER_05 35:11

So this is justifiable, right? Yeah, you're allowed to go burn up a whole community over one dude. How is that justifiable?

SPEAKER_00 35:18

The death toll was reported as eight. Six black and two white. But survivors would say that the black count was more likely around 27. And they didn't really know the white count. Now, even though news from this massacre spread from like all over the nation, it was quickly forgotten.

SPEAKER_05 35:40

Oh, yeah, that's all this.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Survivors spread throughout Florida and had to start over from nothing. They had to, you know, completely start over from scratch. And survivors would not speak of it for fear that they would be killed. Now, let me read my side note.

Palette Cleanser: Hurricane On Saturn

SPEAKER_05 35:59

Hashtag fear is your only god.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Right. Now, Sylvester's brother James, he had loaded his wife and kids on the train and then went back into town to help those that were in need. But he was captured by the mob, and then they uh took him to his mother and brother's grave, Sarah and Sylvester, made him dig his own grave and shot him in the head.

SPEAKER_05 36:31

Landsey.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

As bad as it already is, and you're gonna throw that too. Did not know that one. Did not know that one.

unknown 36:41

Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

I learned that one today. Fuck. That's why I have side notes. Now, Hayward Carrier, Sarah's husband, he had been away on a hunting trip this whole time. So he comes home to see his family is gone and his town has been burned to the ground. And he was never the same. He literally stopped speaking to anyone. Like he went into a complete like psychosis, and he would be seen just wandering the streets, sometimes completely naked, completely broken, completely broken.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

Uh just mumbling to himself until he died.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

So sad, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

So fucking sad.

SPEAKER_05 37:28

How many towns, how many in the United States? Because I'm not even going to say the South, because this they shit like this that happened in Oklahoma. There's shit like this that's happened in Texas.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

There's shit, I mean Especially in the South.

SPEAKER_05 37:43

All over in Georgia.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 37:45

There's shit like this that happened in Illinois.

SPEAKER_00 37:47

Well, I did give a little insight.

SPEAKER_05 37:49

I mean, I'm I've I've done a little bit of research on this because I wanted to, and there is there is like seven different posted situations where this has happened in a whole town just like this.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

Well, I just found out today that there was a similar situation that happened in a Koei. And I'm gonna do some research on that.

SPEAKER_05 38:09

Yeah, I think I think I think your next one needs to be like a little bit of all those that I just mentioned too. Well, we kind of wrap them all together.

SPEAKER_00 38:15

Hopefully, we have several years of black history.

SPEAKER_05 38:18

Yeah, maybe next fab.

SPEAKER_00 38:19

So, and I have them all listed. I have them all added to my list. I I learned a lot today.

SPEAKER_05 38:24

Yeah, that's it. Just today.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

By rage cleaning.

SPEAKER_05 38:28

Well, I would be like rage raging because I am kind of right now over just how fucking easily influenced a gang of people can get together and just be they just over what one woman said a lot without any proof.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Without any proof. And if you guys listened to last week's episode uh about Emmett Till, same shit.

SPEAKER_05 38:49

Here we go again. Yeah, another white woman said some bullshit. Same shit. Yeah. Yeah. At least I didn't burn up a whole town on that one, but still.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

But what happened to one kid was so horrific.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

I feel like that one's hitting me harder than this one.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

No, Landon, you have to put in perspective. I mean, listen to the case. We gotta make Landon watch the movie. Perspective. Yeah, have you seen the movie?

SPEAKER_00 39:11

Well, I'm gonna plug that here at the end, so I'm gonna give all that information.

SPEAKER_05 39:14

Yeah, then I'll plug my tidbit on what I know, too. Well, I think that is your next uh watch there, bro. Yes.

Community, Plans, And Sign-Off

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Like I said, survivors would be too afraid to speak about this, and they call this like the silence culture, and the silence went on for 70 years until a man, an investigating of an investigating reporter by the name of Gary Moore, went to Cedar Key in 1982. And he was talking to some of the locals there because he knew that this neighboring town that had once been predominantly black was now predominantly white. And that local was like, Oh, you want me to talk about the massacre? So he did some investigating, some talking, and uh he did a whole report on this. And another thing in my side note, the Seminole Tribe also spread the word about this after Gary Moore put out his article.

SPEAKER_05 40:21

So thank you, Seminole Tribe. Yeah, they just had their uh their uh powwow this past, and I've been watching so many videos. Yeah, Kozad was down there, and they did smoke dance down there too.

SPEAKER_00 40:33

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 40:34

Um, so good, so good. And the dance arena looks amazing, dude. We need to go next year.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Well, a lot of the survivors were still afraid to talk, but they got enough information on this to get a lawsuit going. So in 1993, this was still 11 years later, after this was all investigated and reported on, um, a firm was hired by some of the children and grandchildren of survivors against the state for its failure to protect them and their families, which was completely 100% true.

SPEAKER_05 41:12

Rightfully so. They deserve something, you know, that I understand. I understand.

SPEAKER_00 41:18

Now a bill was passed for uh the survivors and their proven descendants, and they would receive some reparations, and the total compensation uh to be uh dispersed was originally uh discussed at seven million dollars. That's it. But listen.

SPEAKER_05 41:41

No, I know she's finished on it, right?

SPEAKER_00 41:44

It was voted on. Uh now there it was won 70 to 40. That means 40 motherfuckers said no, and it was just settled at 1.5 million.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

That is it for those people and for everything they went through. See now, see now kidding me.

SPEAKER_05 42:04

They were resetting their whole culturalistic come up in a community, and it set all of those grandchildren back.

SPEAKER_00 42:14

This I all of them fucking because they were to oh, that's another thing in my notes. Rosewood was actually more prosperous than Sumner.

SPEAKER_05 42:24

So they were thriving, like full-on thriving. They would they would have not even experienced the fucking depression.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

That's where they would have most likely because they had everything they needed, the whole working community and everything they needed right there.

SPEAKER_05 42:36

They wouldn't have experienced the depression there.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

And obviously, they were all close because, like, when all this shit went down, they got together, you know.

SPEAKER_05 42:44

Yeah, like tie community, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:46

Now, this$1.5 million. Um, so a hundred and fifty thousand would go to anyone who could prove that they lived in Rosewood at the time of the massacre. This is 1993.

SPEAKER_05 43:01

70 years later, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:02

Yeah. No, 80.

SPEAKER_05 43:04

80 years later.

SPEAKER_00 43:05

80 now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 43:06

From 20 to 90.

SPEAKER_00 43:07

And then a$500,000 pool was set aside for those who had a direct descendant from that time. So most of those, those applicants received$100.

SPEAKER_05 43:22

Wow. How are you going to rebuild your fucking livelihood that you lost?

SPEAKER_00 43:26

Because those or your grandma lost. Those people lost$100.

SPEAKER_05 43:31

They would still be part of that thriving community there. They would still be part of something amazing right there that they have built on their own. You know what I'm saying? It would have been that would have been the spot to go to right there, man. That would have been the next game. It would have been boy cooler than games.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Well, if the original dumbasses settlers had, you know, in the area hadn't have or would have had the sense to, okay, we're going to cut down these cedar trees, but we need to replant. They, I mean, it just like. Oh, it's a mess.

SPEAKER_05 44:01

It is a fucking mess. They just take, take, take, right?

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Yeah. Well, in 2004, Rosewood was named a Florida Heritage Landmark. And on State Road 24, this is where Jesse took me to, there is a plaque with the known victims' names and a description of the destruction. That's all that's left of Rosewood.

SPEAKER_05 44:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

And they have it's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 44:26

They have the train on 19, so the actual train is there. And I've taken land into that train. Yes. Me, you and non and all the boys and wherever we went to Cedar Key or whatever. Yeah, because it's right by Cedar Key. Every chance I've ever gotten in my life with any children or anybody that I want to teach some of that history to, I'll pull up to that train and I'll be like, let's read this, and we'll read that plaque together. Yeah, we did. And that was the actual train is there. So anybody traveling in Florida, if you're on 19 and 98, traveling down there in that area, stop by. Definitely go check it out. Yeah, for sure. And remember the history.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

That's what's left.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

The train is still there, and then in Rosewood area.

SPEAKER_00 45:07

Seventy years.

SPEAKER_05 45:08

Just to get recognition.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

To get yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:11

Just to be recognized. You could definitely feel like when you stand over there in that area, you could definitely feel you can feel it when he drew it and he was telling me the story. I remember him telling me the story while we were standing. Yeah, I remember all of that.

SPEAKER_05 45:25

So so we took 26 from there on over, and that spot was where the mob was met by the resistance in Gainesville because they were trying to go into Gainesville hunting for African American people that were on that train that got dumped in and hidden over there in Gainesville area. And uh so they did draw a line there in between there, and they Gainesville did stop them. So that was a good thing. At least they stopped it from spreading even more into more communities. Right. That was probably like the real stopping point where like you know, everything came to a head right there.

SPEAKER_00 45:59

Well, in Servester, he he took down a couple of the the lead guys.

SPEAKER_05 46:04

So you're fighting for your fucking life over fighting for your life. Over a protecting children, yeah. That is a sneaky link. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Yeah, over there with the that's that's what gets me the most. This was all over a sneaky link. Yeah, oh, who can we put this on?

SPEAKER_05 46:23

Oh, there's a rando coming by. Let's put it all on him. Yeah. Fine. Oh, he happens to be black, so let's burn down this whole fucking fucking community, a thriving fucking community, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 46:33

Thrive.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

And then uh houses are we talking like you said churches, like 40 or so buildings in that.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Yeah, and I mean, and like I said, a lot of them were two-story. Wow, which was not common in Florida. They built it themselves.

SPEAKER_05 46:51

You know, they were all builders. They were they were dated in lumber. You know, that's what that was the closest thing that they worked out. They all worked in mills.

SPEAKER_03 46:58

I mean, you couldn't do anything else back then, so why carpenters, but they had a thriving area and a thriving country.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Yeah, because they I mean they were, you know, basically like co-oping around there with their farming and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 47:09

Right, right, right. Yeah, you grow the greens, I'll do the eggs, you know, type thing.

SPEAKER_03 47:13

Yeah, yeah. And that that is beautiful. And they didn't ever have anything before, so I'm sure they wanted it big and beautiful. Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Well, that's what I'm saying. Like they we, you know, slavery was abolished, so they're coming up. Yeah, they're doing their thing, they're doing the right thing, and then the white people with hatred in their heart just bring everything back down and just decimate just.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Oh, you have something nice, no, you don't.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

Yeah, we're gonna tell you they're jealous. They're they're gonna lie every fucking thing. And the fear, like I was fixing to say, the fear itself was what stifled all of that. Because you got all these people in their homes and communities that are trying to be good people and they're scared to talk about it. But the ones that are wanting to talk about it are the ones that want to jump on because they don't want to be in fear. So fear itself led them back toward racism. Fear itself leads uh good people back toward it because they're scared to be in fear, and they're like, I I want to talk about this history stuff. Oh, you can't talk about that because if you do, they're gonna come for you. Well, you just join who's coming for you. That way you're not gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_06 48:15

Oh, when they were in the middle of all of that.

SPEAKER_05 48:23

You know, you live in fear or you go join them. You know what I'm saying? And that's what a lot of Caucasians did to join up to that where they felt like they had more power because they joined the negative where they could. You know what I'm saying? If if you if you get my grasp right there.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Well, when they were in the middle of all these litigations for these reparations, the Klan like fought really hard. Oh, yeah. To against it. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like they they haven't suffered enough. You can't I I I don't understand. No, no, I don't understand people's way of thinking about it.

SPEAKER_05 48:56

There's too many people now where we'll just be like, you have no fucking power.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

In some of the some parts of this country, there's still people like that. They won't are there. Oh, we should have to shut down the crazy than they used to be, but I mean no, there is still a clan right here in this.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Yeah, there definitely is.

SPEAKER_05 49:13

That last little gathering they had there, we're like, this is bullshit. You have no fucking power here.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

Right. It's a we're gonna keep shutting it down, but they're still trying.

SPEAKER_05 49:21

And we're not trying to say that we're not. We're gonna put this podcast out, and we're not fucking scared. Definitely. They have no power.

SPEAKER_00 49:29

I got cameras, bitch.

SPEAKER_05 49:32

No, they have no power. Ring, ring, ring, ring.

SPEAKER_00 49:36

So Mary Hall Daniels was the last public known survivor, and she died at 98 in Jacksonville. And another woman named Vera Goines Hamilton, who was not publicly named, she died at 100 in uh La Cucci. That's right, right? La Coochie. With La or just regular Coochie. Just let I mean I'm there's regular Lacuci. No, it wasn't with La Coochie, it was just La Coochie, it was with the La Coochie. I was just making sure I was pronouncing that right. Oh, coochie, yeah. Yeah, still creepy. She died in 2020. Yeah. So these both of these women were just babies when that happened. If you think about it, that was 1923. She was a hundred at in at 2020. Right.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

So she was three years old. She got snuck out on the train, right? Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:27

That's a good life, though. Huh? That's a good life. Or a long life.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

She's lost her ancestral heritage from what her parents fucking built.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

Well, the older one, the one um that died at 98, she had described like she was old enough to remember like having to hide and having to crawl like down on the ground to not be seen. That is, she remembered that well like her entire life.

SPEAKER_03 50:56

Yeah, I think seeing somebody like that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

Right, right. Between three and five, both of these women were in the swamps, too.

SPEAKER_05 51:05

In the swamp. I know that area. I mean, I used to go arrowhead on the water.

SPEAKER_03 51:08

When it's winters was it was January.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

It was fucking freezing.

SPEAKER_03 51:13

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:14

And it's crazy here because usually we actually have like a warm Christmas, wormish, in the year. And then January hits him with fucking freezing. Yeah. Like every year.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

Yeah, and they're in the water, you know.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

In 2020, the state of Florida established a Rosewood family scholarship program that will pay up to$6,100 each for up to 50 students a year who are direct descendants of Rosewood survivors. But I honestly just don't think any of that is enough.

SPEAKER_07 51:48

No.

SPEAKER_00 51:49

Definitely not.

SPEAKER_05 51:50

Well, the problem the problem is they weren't able to rebuild right after.

SPEAKER_00 51:54

No.

SPEAKER_05 51:54

They should have gotten stuff right after. So, hey, this town got fucked up and we should have done better.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Well, the new thing was around. They were reported as basically armed and dangerous. The black community was, not the white.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Even though they shot up and burned all right.

SPEAKER_00 52:12

And then it was just forgotten. And then they stayed silent out of fear.

SPEAKER_07 52:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:17

So there was no recognition for 70 years for this absolutely horrible event that happened right down the road from us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:27

45 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

A whole massacre of an entire thriving community.

SPEAKER_05 52:35

Fuck, Lindsay. I don't want to be I don't want to be brought into this, but I want I want to share this.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

First of all, you brought that to my world, sir.

SPEAKER_05 52:43

Yeah.

unknown 52:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

But I'm glad that you did because I wasn't taught that in school. You weren't taught. Nobody at this table was taught this history in school. Why not?

SPEAKER_03 52:54

We're never taught the important stuff. We're taught the stuff they want us to know.

SPEAKER_05 52:58

Yeah, and this is a good middle school story again to me.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

And I just want to plug the movie real quick. It is called Rosewood. And um, I found out where you can watch it today. It's on Tubi for free. Amazon Fandago, Apple TV, Google TV, and YouTube for rents. It's like$3.99. Are y'all watching it tonight?

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

We can probably watch it tomorrow. No, we're not.

SPEAKER_05 53:22

We're doing it right after this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 53:24

And it stars Ving Rames, Don Cheadle, who I fucking love, John Don Cheadle, and then John Voigt. And um Don Cheadle plays Sylvester.

SPEAKER_05 53:33

Right. Yep, yep. Fuck.

SPEAKER_00 53:36

The badass motherfucker that you know protected everybody in that house the best that he could.

SPEAKER_05 53:41

The best he could. Thank you, Lindsay, for sharing this. But oh God, Lindsay. I'll give you no applause. You're done though? Already?

SPEAKER_00 53:50

That is the end of our coverage. But there's so much more. There's so much more. Hold on, I want to plug that podcast that Aaron shared with me real quick. Yes. So it's called Dreams of Black Wall Street. So the initial podcast was meant to just cover what happened to Black Wall Street, which we're going to cover later on. But she extended it and she did, I think it's a whole season dedicated to everything that led up to and what happened at Rosewood. It's like four or five episodes.

SPEAKER_05 54:19

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. A more true or deal. Watching the movie is going to be like kind of Hollywood, you know, but at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

But it was good. It was still pretty accurate as to what I researched. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:30

As long as you could feel the soul in the movie. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, it's there. And uh it's a good one, really.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

There's a lot of historians that she interviews. Uh the the creator of that podcast, I don't have like it's new to me. I just found out about it yesterday. I listened to it today. It's excellent. And it gave me more information that I could share tonight. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:51

So we'll tag.

SPEAKER_00 54:52

It's Friday night.

SPEAKER_05 54:53

It's just we'll tag. We'll tag.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 54:56

I mean, you did a great job, Lindsay. I mean, you nailed it from everything that I remember and all the history that I've that I've been taught. And I mean, it was taught, it was told to me by a Muskogee Creek m mother. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to say clan, but she was my clan mother.

SPEAKER_00 55:12

Particular podcast also talks about the Muskogee and the Seminole, that, that whole thing. And it talked about some lynchings that happened in our town that I want to talk about later on. So yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

Yeah, in our arbor, whenever we were doing Stompnail, because I was over there for like a weekend, like a whole weekend. And we had we had story times and tellings and things, and that was one of the stories that that my clan mother had taught me. So, and you know, that was the my way. I didn't learn it in school, you know. No. And she told me about all that. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you, uh Yufki, my clanmother. Yes. Okay. So that was just really cool to spend that weekend on on in that area, in the, you know, the even the older culturalistic things, but being able to learn something about the black culture and the African American culture that wasn't shared. And then when I came back after that, I did find the movie and I watched it for sure. And shared it to you guys. Yeah. Thank you, Lindsay, for like bringing that back up. So many fucking horrific things, Lindsay. But thank you. I mean, I'm so glad you did this. Oh.

SPEAKER_00 56:24

Thank you, thank you, thank you. So, what amazing palette cleansing bands are you gonna share with us today?

SPEAKER_05 56:34

We're not done cheering for you. Cheers and bringing real history, horrific history. I just horrific. So, yeah, always keep that going. Let's uh keep sharing this. And everybody else that's listening to share it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 56:48

Because like you said in the last uh last episode, let's not let it repeat itself.

SPEAKER_05 56:53

Yes, for sure. Do not let it ever repeat itself. So, Lindsay, you did mention a band. And I love to play music.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Of course you do. That's the best part.

SPEAKER_05 57:05

And this is the palette cleanser.

SPEAKER_00 57:07

Not the best part, that's the palette cleansing part.

SPEAKER_05 57:10

The palette cleansing, yes.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

You come for the story and you stay for the band.

SPEAKER_05 57:13

We're gonna have a little hurricane on Saturn.

SPEAKER_00 57:16

That's the name of the bands.

SPEAKER_05 57:17

Hurricane on Saturn. Yes, they're from Italy.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

That's a cool name.

SPEAKER_05 57:22

Yeah. And I do love Hurricane on Saturn. They're so fucking fire, dude. This song is called Rescue Light. So I want you to check this shit out. It's gonna be fucking amazing. Oh my god, Lindsay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:54

I love them so much. Yeah. I have already followed them on Spotify and Instagram. You can find them on Instagram at HurricaneonSaturn official. They are certified, and their bio says call it hashtag metal, hashtag EDM, hashtag rap, hashtag punk. We don't give a fuck. I love that because I felt every single bit of those elements in that song. Like it was great. I was having fun over here. I want to listen to their whole catalog. Dude, right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:24

No, you just don't.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:25

I want to have a party in the kitchen.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:26

The thing about it is, the thing about it is, every one of those songs would be a fucking fire ass spin class. It would so be a fire ass spin class.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:36

Dude, I've been wanting to do a spin class and I just don't know shit about spin, but he saw some metal spin class.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:42

Daddy's got the best legs in the fucking county. You really do. You have great legs. So I want to do spin class and I want to do a metal spin class. Let's rent a fucking building once a week and do spin class to metal, just like your girls got to train though for spinning. Dude, hurricane on salad on a whole different level. I would, dude, my ass would look so good.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:59

Mine too, girl. Girl?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

I'm just telling you right now, girl. That song reminded me of like um like a new medal for like medieval times.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:09

Yeah. A little medievalish, but it's so Italiano, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

Best time of your life. I loved it. I loved it. And thank you, Hurricane on Saturn, for letting us play your music because I really enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:21

Yeah, thank you for the opportunity and you making music. Do not stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

But I'm ready to party in my kitchen right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

They're fire. What do you think, Jojo? Not so much your bag, but I bet it was your bag.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

Yeah, it was nice. I actually enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:36

Yeah. It wasn't so like, I mean, spin class. Dude, I don't want to do spin class with that. I can work out of that for dates. We would die after that spin class, but we would have full on everything.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

I mean, every bit of that was like Yeah, it was everything, right? It was fucking.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:52

You know what? I have a friend who is uh, she's an old high school friend and a regular in my section every Wednesday. And she teaches spin on Wednesday nights. I should forward her this music. Yeah. She should take her off. We need to do a metal spin class, dude.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:09

I'll bring, I'll bring the PA and we'll bump that shit. Like make it really fully in your chest, fucking rocking out and then kicking ass. But not.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:17

I don't even know if I can make it through a spin class before I can.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:20

I couldn't even make it through one of their concerts anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

I need a year of training.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:25

Hurricane on Saturn, if you come, if you come to the States, dude, hit me up.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:29

Y'all are talking like y'all be in the front. Y'all are y'all one show. Y'all go hard and then the rest were sit in the back. Yes. Just drink and jill.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:41

If Hurricane on Saturn comes to fucking Florida, I swear to God, we're coming. Oh, we're going. We're going. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:47

I want to see y'all at Rockville.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:48

Oh, we got you, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:49

Ship Rock. We're going to do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:51

That'd be amazing. Any of the bands that want to come over, I mean, I got venues. Hit me up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:55

We've we've done voted. We're going to do Ship Rock next year.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

We did. Yeah. We're locking it in. Planning two.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:03

Holy shit. We're locking in. We got to get with Nance.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

How are we going to handle this? This is going to be fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

Y'all need to stay tuned for that. Oh, yeah. We got to do the podcast on the ship rock.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:13

We can do it. We did it in Lizzie Borden's house. We can handle it on a ship.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:17

Yeah, I got this.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:18

I got the tools. I got the technology. Technicalja.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:21

Technical ja.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:22

Yes. Anyhow, Lindsay, thank you so much for your story, band. Thank you. Hurricane on Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:29

That was a nice retreat after a horrific story.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:33

Horrific.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:34

I appreciate you guys.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:35

We have so many more to come. Check us out at drinkaboutsometh.site, which is our main hub. But you can also find us on Instagram. DrinkAbout Something. Find us on Spotify. DrinkAbout Something. Find us on YouTube. You can type in Gen Z. J-E-N-D-S-E-Y.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:54

And you can find us on all the all the all the Gmail is drinkaboutsomething pod at gmail.com. And our TikTok lives is drinkabout something pod underscore Lindsay. We will be going live tomorrow. Well, never mind. It'll be last week.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:10

Yeah. We'll go live.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:12

We try to go live on Saturdays.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:13

Yes, we go lives. We do lives too. We do lives. Check it out. And we do little uh little recaps and little things uh as we always do. And Lindsay always breaks me. Lindsay, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:23

I'm so sorry. But that was inspired by you. And I figured that this was the perfect month to talk about that story.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:29

Yeah, but I mean there's still no amount of doing true crime where you get fucking used to this.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

Well, enough of us talk about it and keep sharing and reposting and bring it into modern conversation. Yeah, I feel like can keep the awareness alive.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

Yeah, I feel like right now at 2026, right now, there's more people aware.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:50

That's a hundred and three years ago. This year. Literally just happened because it was January 1st.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:55

Wow. Yeah. In 20 and uh 1925. Us now for crime, period. So let's abolish a lot of that. You know, there's a lot that doesn't need to fucking happen, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:07

We said it once, we said it twice, three times probably we'll say it again. Don't let history repeat itself.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:13

No, no, never, never, never. And don't let fear hold you down. Stand up against the tyrant. Don't be silent. Defy the tyrant.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Talk about it. Defy the tyrant. Talk about it. Get it all out there. We're listening.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:26

Yeah, and uh, we're just gonna leave you with this, and I'm gonna let our two guests say the uh famous words. We love you so much. Bye. Bye. Bye.