Lez Say More Podcast
Welcome to Lez Say More: the podcast where your favorite duo of best friends—together for over 20 years—gets real about the queer community. Join us every Wednesday as we dive into everything from health and wellness, to fashion, relationships, sex - and even the occasional celebrity gossip. With our trademark humor and brutal honesty, we’re here to share stories, laughs, and insights about the (queer) modern life and all the fabulousness it has to offer. Whether you're part of the community or just curious, grab your favorite drink and join the conversation—because we promise to keep it funny, relatable, and absolutely unfiltered!
Lez Say More Podcast
Pumpkin pie & friends that flirt with the line.
Clearing the air on our last episode about cougars, pumas, cheetahs and jaguar! We kick off this episode with a playful exploration of these often misunderstood labels. We humorously unpack the quirky dynamics of age and relationships they imply, and even stumble upon the term "gerontophile" for those who prefer older partners. Our chat wraps up with a delightful revelation of our own fitting labels, all while championing the notion that diverse dating preferences deserve celebration, not scorn.
Thanksgiving is about family, food, and sometimes, a side of chaos. We share our heartwarming and occasionally chaotic Thanksgiving tales, spanning classic American traditions with turkey and pumpkin pie to a vibrant blend of Persian and American customs. Navigating the holiday season also means juggling multiple family gatherings and the sometimes tricky dynamics of a partner’s family. Our stories offer tips on keeping it all together with kindness and grace, and we celebrate a cousin’s engagement, adding a joyful note to these festive reflections.
Love, lust, and friendships with blurred boundaries—these are the minefields we traverse in our candid conversation. We recount the awkwardness of bumping into exes and the complexities when friends harbor unreciprocated romantic feelings. Through personal stories, we ponder the fine line between friendliness and flirtation and whether to confront these emotions head-on or let them dissolve quietly. Delving into the age-old debate of love versus lust, we challenge the idea of instant love, focusing instead on how genuine connections thrive on humor and personality. As we close, gratitude fills the air for our relationships, health, and the sheer joy of creating this podcast together.
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Like I can say something like oh, but your hair looks really cute today, but your hair looks really cute every day.
Speaker 2:That made me a little bit.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But that could just be me giving you a compliment, right? Oh, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 1:But also my tone kind of made it feel like I was a little flirty yeah, because you went a little deeper in your voice. Deeper I felt like I went more femmy. They are not necessarily forthcoming with how they feel, but they do make awkward passes at you like they touch your hand. No, I mean, they can touch your hand, they can grab you.
Speaker 1:They can, they can say things to you how, like you know, like grab you inappropriately sometimes, but jokingly, oh or, or they can say, or they can. Hey guys, welcome back to the let's say more podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm one of your hosts, solange, and this is ava I mean, my name is just like one syllable, I don't know like yours is. So launch mine is well, yeah, I just, I just heard your work person call you ava.
Speaker 1:You didn't even. I don't know. Like yours is Solange Mine is Ava. Well, yeah, like Ava I just heard your work person call you Ava.
Speaker 2:You didn't even correct them Because I get so tired of correcting people. Sometimes I correct them so often throughout the day that sometimes I'm just like I get tired. I hear you, but that doesn't mean anyone could call me Ava. You heard it first, guys. Ava, it is no, it's Ava. It's like avocado, it's very easy. It's a very easy name.
Speaker 1:So we are going to clarify some information that we put out on our last podcast. That was completely incorrect.
Speaker 2:I mean, it wasn't completely incorrect, it was just a little bit Not correct. A little bit not correct.
Speaker 1:It basically Definition of a cougar puma and a cheetah A cheetah. So Ava, give us the definitions.
Speaker 2:Well, I am not the definition of a cheetah or a reformed one, even though that's what I thought it meant. Reformed one, even though that's what I thought it meant. All right. So cougar is slang for a middle-aged woman who pursues romantic or sexual relationships with men who are younger than her. So it's often or women, or women it's often used to describe women in their 30s or their 40s who are actively looking for casual sex with younger individuals.
Speaker 1:Okay, that's a puma. Cougar oh, that's a cougar. Yeah, okay, what's a puma.
Speaker 2:So then, a puma, a puma, a puma. Despite being ugly shoes, they are also middle-aged women, so women in their 30s who want younger men. So Cougar is 40s, puma is 30s. And then a cheetah is a woman who is casually dating or sleeping with multiple men, with multiple men. For example, a woman who sleeps with a drunk man, watches two football games in a row at a bar Two, two, not one, not one, not three, but two or hooks up with casually, can be described as a cheetah. Cheetahs are known for their speed, their grace and agility.
Speaker 1:Yes, they are. I mean they're just and a jaguar Is. Is anyone above 50,?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 50. Dating somebody younger yes, so you qualify as a cougar.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm just so that part. I was right. Yes, then what are you? You are I don't know.
Speaker 1:So what's? What's somebody who dates older? What is somebody who's with somebody who's older? Because I mean, does that make me the cub?
Speaker 2:That is, what do you call a girl who likes older?
Speaker 1:I can't, even, I can't even pronounce this word what is it that sounds like I have a disease, whatever the hell that thing was it does like you need to go to the doctor, I need to go gerontophile. That sounds gross, oh my god that sounds like a pedophile, gerontophile, like somebody who's into like old people. No, I'm not into old people I said, I said older I think I'm just gonna stick to the fact that it's a cub.
Speaker 2:Sorry we couldn't find women who dates older. Try one of these Baby wolf. Baby wolf, he's dating a woman five years older than him. Baby wolf, he's a baby. He's such a baby wolf. A cub refers to a young man typically considered significantly younger than his partner.
Speaker 1:So I was right, I am a cub.
Speaker 2:Okay, so you're a cub.
Speaker 1:So I'm a cub. They are cougars, definitely not pumas, because I'm not under the age of 40. So cougars or jaguars, so you are a.
Speaker 2:I'm a cub, you are a cub, I'm a Cougar.
Speaker 1:Fern's a cub.
Speaker 2:That just sounds ridiculous. Well, now we know Cougars, cougars, ugly shoes, pumas Well, actually it's pumas, cougars, cougars, jaguars, cheetahs.
Speaker 1:Oh no, cheetahs are just Cheetahs are just hoes, and they're laying up they're hoes, oh, they're like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are.
Speaker 1:They're like but you know, no, we can't slut shame, we can't ho shame. I don't ho shame at all.
Speaker 2:But if you're a hoe, you're a hoe. There's no shame in your game. You're a cheetah, cheetah, she's a cheetah.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God All right, so we cleared the air on that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our bad, sorry about that, our bad.
Speaker 1:So now we know what a cougar, a puma, a cheetah and a jaguar and a jaguar are, and I am a cub.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you make yourself sound so like innocent.
Speaker 1:And cute, right, innocent, cute, demure, demure, cutesy, moving on. Uh, tomorrow is thanksgiving. Yes, it is. So we're going to talk a little bit about what you're going to be doing for thanksgiving well, what you're going to be doing too well yes, what we both are going to be doing for thanksgiving. What are you going to be doing, boo?
Speaker 2:um, I'm going to be at my mother's house, your mother, my mother does she make like a delicious Persian Thanksgiving, or is it like? She makes your traditional, traditional Turkey. We don't eat ham, I'm Muslim, so she'll make big old turkey. The stuffing, the cranberry slices, which I don't like. I don't like it, oh you do. Either the green bean, she makes the pumpkin it, oh you do. Either the green bean, uh-huh. She makes the pumpkin pie, oh, so she does like the whole.
Speaker 2:Ever since we were young American thing, yeah, so ever since we were young, my mom really wanted us to feel normal and like did the Christmas tree even though, like she doesn't believe in Christmas but she did the Christmas tree. She did the Thanksgiving and my family used to always come over to our house, but then our family got bigger. So then you know it was just us. And my aunt does the traditional Persian food. She also does a turkey, but she also does incorporate Persian food. My mom doesn doesn't, so she just does the americanized.
Speaker 1:So what do?
Speaker 2:you do, uh with fern's family? Um, we normally split our time like we would go to my mom's house first or vice versa, but this year we're just going to be at my mom's oh, okay because thanksgiving also I think both of our moms started at the same time.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's got to be hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is hard. I ideally at some point, God willing, when I get a house, I want to have it all at my house.
Speaker 1:Like have both sides of the families come together?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would like it.
Speaker 1:Like we all did at your wedding. Yeah, that was a good time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, I just I like when families get together.
Speaker 1:yeah, it's nice my cousin is having a thanksgiving with her, uh, new fiancee. Oh, congratulations to her at his house.
Speaker 2:And what nationality is he? Boom, he is everyone. He is persian, and once you go Persian, there's no other version.
Speaker 1:Oh Jesus, persians unite. So we're having Thanksgiving Well, we're supposed to have Thanksgiving at his house, home, and then the families are going to meet, and all that because she just recently got engaged congratulations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, are you excited yeah, I'm excited for the wedding you're not excited to like go to a persian house for thanksgiving I didn't grow up really celebrating thanksgiving.
Speaker 1:My mom you know latin. We don't really do thanksgiving, so she kind of did thanksgiving a few times, and the times that she did it it was more like she would make like roast beef or she would make anything but a turkey. Why was it just?
Speaker 2:it wasn't her thing. She just doesn't really like turkey. And then you want to get her hand in it.
Speaker 1:No. And then I think, like one or two years, she made turkey and then all of a sudden she just stopped and she was like I'm not doing this holiday anymore, I'm out of here, and she would leave. She would take a vacation because her birthday was so close to Thanksgiving. So she would be like I'm out, I'm going to go on vacation, you figure it out. So then I would end up spending it either at our friend's house or doing something else, like not really spending it with my family. And then I was married for a while, so Thanksgiving was an easy one to give to my then wife To your wife at that point.
Speaker 2:Well, we finally got some questions from our viewers. It's about damn time, so let's kick it off with some. Hopefully, this will generate more questions, so I'll go first. Okay, it's in the spirit of Thanksgiving. Okay, what do you do if you don't like your partner's family and you have to see them on Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1:Ooh Dun dun dun, dun dun dun. I'm sure I'm not the only one that has to answer that question. I'm sure there's a lot of people this Thanksgiving dreading this moment I would probably say. I mean, I have had partners whose families I wasn't the most excited about, so seeing them for the holidays was always kind of a little like. Did you feel like?
Speaker 2:the Grinch, or were they the Grinch?
Speaker 1:Um, you know what it wasn't that they were the Grinch, I think it was more that they weren't as accepting of our sexuality. So they always kind of they tried and they were really open and, you know, loving and all of that, but it always kind of to me felt a little forced.
Speaker 2:Okay, it was like genuine.
Speaker 1:No, it almost felt like if I was a guy, I think the welcome would have been very different. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get that. I get that. Sorry that that happened to you, but now, you're here, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I would probably say I know it's not easy and I know it's difficult to be amongst people that don't necessarily like you. If it's because of your sexuality or if it's because you have, I don't know, you're just a shitty person. I have no idea. But whatever reasoning there is for you not getting along with your partner's family, I would probably say try to make the best of it and kill them with kindness, because that always seems to work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, kill them with kindness. My mom always says don't allow others to change how you are, so same with the killing, with kindness, how you are, so same with the killing.
Speaker 2:with kindness, I mean, you might find yourself in a situation where the family is like having an attitude with you. But just always be gracious, don't let people have a reason to talk about you so that when you walk out of that house, no one can say, oh, did you see that attitude? Or they said this, or they didn't thank me. No, thank you. Thank you for the cranberry sauce that I hate so much. But thank you, I'm gonna lick my fingers.
Speaker 1:Thank you very much. Have you ever been in that situation?
Speaker 2:No, because I didn't get to go around. So I wasn't allowed to go around and I think I just accepted that as being like normal, like oh, so-and-so's with their family. I'm with mine. I didn't know what I was missing. I didn't know, like how cool it would be to kind of like be around another family that like loved you and accepted you.
Speaker 1:What if it was the other way around, though? Like family that you didn't necessarily like? Have you ever like not liked your partner's family?
Speaker 2:I've had disagreements with my partner's family, challenges. I would say like, yeah, I've had challenges with my partner's family, but I've never disrespected my partner's family because I'm really big on respect. So I just I might stay quiet and they, you know, they might be like, well, what's wrong with her, or I just won't go. I've had situations where something has happened and then I just did not go to that family function and like, why even put myself in that position? Yeah, you pull yourself out of it because a, you don't want to be uncomfortable, you don't want your partner to feel uncomfortable because they're in the middle, right? So so you're putting them in the middle.
Speaker 2:I'm the type like I don't want to be the reason you're fighting with your family, right, I don't. I don't want that. Like, stand up for me, like stand up for what's right. Obviously, if I'm in the wrong, then tell me I'm wrong, but stand up for what's right. But I don't want a family dinner to be ruined because Ava's here, right. So I just rather just not go. But that's happened, maybe once where I didn't go, maybe once or twice where I wasn't all good but I did the whole fake it till you make it because it's the holidays and again, you don't want to give people a reason to be upset with you.
Speaker 1:I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:All right, next question we got in. Now these questions are going to be random. They're not all Thanksgiving based. We had a few that we thought were could align to the Thanksgiving theme. Okay, so the next one I have for you is how do you approach running into an ex? Oh, my God, I that that's gonna say I feel like this is a topic you might be an expert in.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, it happened last year. Actually, it didn't go the way I thought it was going to go. I thought I was handling the situation correctly and I in my wife's eyes I did not. I did not. I think in hindsight, if I were to do it all over, I'd avoid it at all costs. You would just walk the opposite direction. Yeah, I would completely walk the opposite direction. I'd probably leave the restaurant. Oh okay, I'd probably be like I just saw a cockroach here.
Speaker 2:I gotta go we gotta go, like let's go. No, I mean, in reality, I would just, I would want to be mature about it and just, you know, if they saw me, they saw me we could say hello, be cordial. I mean, I don't have a friendship with any of my exes, so I feel like saying hello, seeing them like it's just a hello, like it's not.
Speaker 1:Right. I think it would be more awkward to ignore them, and not even it's really weird to me, because you spend so much time with this person right and in that moment they are either the love of your life, or they're somebody who you want to marry or you're going to marry, or somebody you've married or somebody you want to spend time like your life with, and you spend all this time together Like they really do become like your best friend, your partner, your confidant, and then from one day to the next, it's like you don't even know them.
Speaker 2:Right, and then I think that as long as there's not like a blurred line as to like what your where you guys stand seeing them and just being cordial like a hello, introducing them to like your family or whomever you're with, as long as that doesn't open up a door to like well, let's go have lunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't see a problem with that. I don't know if it were to happen again, I don't think I like allow the side hug because that, like I allowed the side hug, but it's also because I didn't know. Yeah, you're awkward, you're uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you kind of just go through the motions If somebody initiates side hug, but it's also because I didn't know the right thing to do. You're uncomfortable, yeah, you kind of just go through the motions. Right, if somebody initiates a hug, you're going to go in for the hug. What are you going to do? Leave her hanging and not hug her Right.
Speaker 2:Give her the hand and then especially like if her person's there too and then they're like staring at you and you're like you. You don't want to create a scenario that doesn't exist, Because if you act awkward, then they might be like why, If there isn't anything going on between the two of you, then what's the?
Speaker 1:problem, because that's what I would think.
Speaker 2:I would be like hold on. If there's nothing going on between the two of you, why didn't you introduce me? You better introduce me as your fiance, the queen of your life, the fucking best thing that ever happened to you.
Speaker 1:Let me roll out the scroll of all the things I'm going to list while I introduce you.
Speaker 2:What are we doing here? No, but that's I would probably. If they didn't see me, I wouldn't try to be seen, right, I would just I would let it, like, flow the way it should. That's what I would do. Yeah, because I think that's the right thing to do, that's the mature thing to do.
Speaker 1:Maybe 25 year old me might have, just like Randy, been like oh my god, they're here, and I think I've reacted differently in every single one of those, like some, I have literally just turned around and completely ignored them like I didn't see them, even though they were right next to me, oh wow. And others I have actually acknowledged and said hello and I was cordial and nice and I wasn't with anybody Right, I was by myself. And others I have just kind of given like a hey.
Speaker 2:A nod, a nod, a friendly nod.
Speaker 1:Kind of like oh, I see you, you see me, okay, that's great.
Speaker 2:There is one ex though, the one that I said I regret. Like if you saw Mildred, what would you do if you saw Mildred? Oh, I don't know. See, like if I saw the ex that I said I regretted, that was like the worst thing. I'd either want to say something to her, very rude to her, because I feel like I never got the chance to like yeah, but at that point I'm like, yeah, it's water under the bridge.
Speaker 1:Who? The hell cares Sometimes, you know, listen, I mean if they came up to you and they said something to you, then that's a different story. But I would not engage in conversation with somebody. It's not worth my time.
Speaker 2:I might it might be worth my time. A reason no, if I felt, if I woke up that day and I chose violence. Listen, sometimes we all want closure in different ways. Some of us want closure and cussing someone out, Others want closure and just. You know, I'm not always, I don't always take the high road. Yeah, Listen, this is me.
Speaker 1:Unconditionallyva Unconditionally Ava.
Speaker 2:Take it or leave it? Okay, all right, all right. Well, I have a question, okay, anonymous question. They want to know how would we handle a friend that likes us or likes you?
Speaker 1:Like if.
Speaker 2:I have a friend that likes me. Yeah, what would you do if a friend liked you? And what if you didn't like them back?
Speaker 1:I mean, I've had that happen.
Speaker 2:I've had friends that have liked me. You are just like.
Speaker 1:I think we all have.
Speaker 2:Must be the hair I wish I had. That, let me see it.
Speaker 1:Get out of here. I think it depends, because sometimes I feel like if you're in a situation where you know that this person has been very obvious and very forward and has, like, literally said the words I like you, or I'm in love with you or I want to date you, then obviously it makes it easier to engage in that conversation and then say, oh, thank you so much, I'm flattered, but I don't feel the same way. But if you've had things happen, which I have, where they are not necessarily forthcoming with how they feel, but they do make awkward passes at you, like they touch your hand no, I mean, they can touch your hand, they can grab you, they can, they can say things to you how like you know, like grab you inappropriately sometimes, but jokingly, oh.
Speaker 1:Or. Or they can say things to you, grab you how. Like you know, like grab you inappropriately sometimes, but jokingly, oh my goodness. Or they can say things to you, flirt with you, but it's always done in a very how do I say this? Like in a very kind of undermined kind of way, like it's not so obvious right. Like it could be played off as like a joke.
Speaker 2:Give me a line. Give me a line. Pretend you're trying to say something to me.
Speaker 1:I don't know Like I can say something like Ava, your hair looks really cute today, but your hair looks really cute every day.
Speaker 2:That made me a little bit. Right, but that could just be me giving you a compliment I get it, but also my tone kind of made it feel like I was a little flirty because you went a little deeper in your voice.
Speaker 1:Deeper I felt like I went more femi, that's as femi as I get guys maybe I'm not, I don't know but your voice, but my point is is there's that fine line of like, okay?
Speaker 1:so my question is when and how do you approach that? Because if this is somebody who is a friend, is in the friend group but isn't obvious with how they act, right, it makes it uncomfortable to be around them. Because then there's, like this underlined vibration that you can't seem to quite put your finger on and you don't know how to move past it without acknowledging it. And if you acknowledge it, they can just simply say well, that's all in your head. I don't feel that way Right, right.
Speaker 1:Because nothing's been like a line hasn't necessarily been crossed, it's been tampered with, it's been flirted with, but it hasn necessarily been crossed. It's been tampered with, it's been flirted with, but it hasn't been crossed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I completely can see that happening to you. I'm sure it's happened to you too. Boo, I don't know. I feel like no one really says those things to me, although my wife has always pointed things out. She says I how do you not know that they're flirting? With you because I just don't feel like. I feel like if someone says my hair looks nice, they're just giving me a compliment. I feel the same way.
Speaker 1:That's why sometimes I'm like, oh, it's all it's nothing, it's nothing and then I keep thinking oh, it's nothing, oh it's nothing. And then it gets to the point where now I'm in a situation where I've said it's nothing so many times that now I'm thinking oh my God, maybe this is something, because somebody else brings it to your attention, got it yeah?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know how would you handle that. Would you like nip it in the bud right away? Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I'm with them.
Speaker 2:Okay, you would, I'd probably do that. Maybe I'd have a conversation and just like if they said oh no, I was just like joking, but then you're still letting them know, like I caught you, but like in the moment right, so like if they did something in that moment I wouldn't do it in the moment. No, because I wouldn't want to embarrass them.
Speaker 1:I tell them like but I mean, something happens. Oh, it's not like you're going to bring it up Like say, hey, by the way, I know nothing, we haven't talked about this, but you know, that thing you did last year.
Speaker 2:No, I wouldn't do like last year. I wouldn't put them on the spot if we were in front of people, because I wouldn't want to embarrass them. So, maybe the next day I'd be like, hey, remember the way you touched my shoulder. I just want to know, are there feelings there? And then they'd be like, no, what are you talking about? Oh, so you would about, I just. Oh, so you would just straight up ask.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because then if they say no, at least they know that you caught on, and then they'd probably stop doing that. And what if they say yes? Then you?
Speaker 1:say well, I'm not into you, and then that whole relationship now is awkward. Well, in that, friend, I didn't ask them to like me.
Speaker 2:That's not my fault. This is true, right, this is true. It's not your fault. You're so desirable, but how do you handle a friend that has been jealous of your relationship? Or when you're dating someone, how do you handle that?
Speaker 1:Like somebody who is jealous because I'm in a relationship and they're not and we're friends and that kind of thing, or somebody who has feelings for me and now I'm in a relationship.
Speaker 2:I don't know, because I had a friend who was in a relationship with a guy, but then when I started dating, they were jealous of the person I was dating. I started dating, they were jealous of the person I was dating, but like I didn't, me and this straight person never hooked up, never had feelings like nothing. Maybe she was in the closet, I think so. I think she had like a really big crush on me.
Speaker 1:I think it's either that or I mean I could definitely say I've had friends where when I started dating someone and they weren't dating anybody they would get a little jealous, because now my attention has gone from you know them and being with them 24-7 and spending all my time with them, to now having a partner. And now this partner is going to take my time.
Speaker 2:I think that's normal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so that I kind of get. But as far as like having somebody, I would kind kind of be like what's it to you, like why are you? Why is your? Why are your panties in a bunch? What if they?
Speaker 2:said well, I want you to unbunch them. No, I'm just kidding, just kidding what then?
Speaker 1:I would say you better talk to your partner, because I'm not going to be unbunching anything. What if they?
Speaker 2:said well, no, I just don't think this person's right for you, or you're moving too fast. Like what if they disguised it that way, like if they said well, no, I just don't think this person's right for you, or you're moving too fast. Like what if they disguised it that way? Like if they don't like your partner, no, if they don't like your partner, but there's nothing wrong with your partner?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't know. I mean, I think it's for me, maybe it's the Libra in my rising sign, but I always feel like I play the devil's advocate, Like I can see both sides to to something pretty easily. I don't think.
Speaker 2:Libras can see both sides to things. I'm married to a Libra.
Speaker 1:Oh well, your Libra is a little different.
Speaker 2:I'm married to a.
Speaker 1:Libra. No, but I can definitely say okay, I understand that maybe you're feeling X, y and Z about this situation or about me with this person, but, like, I think it's probably because you might have other feelings. Now I would say this if I thought that they actually were being forthcoming with their feelings to me but if they're in the closet and they haven't said anything about it and I'm just assuming, then I honestly I probably wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I thought it was always weird that they had a problem with me hanging out with my girlfriend at the time, but then, behind my back, they would reach out to my girlfriend and be like, oh, if you ever need a place to stay, you could stay at my place. That's weird, weird, right Like befriending my girlfriend. Maybe she liked your girlfriend. No, I don't think she liked Nothing in me. Thinks she liked her. I think you know that, saying keep your enemies close, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what she was doing. And then I found out she's a really shitty person. So it makes a lot of sense, oh Jesus.
Speaker 1:All right, let's see Next question we have um do you believe in love at first sight?
Speaker 2:no, I think it's lust. You think it's lust? Yeah, well, because I'm really shallow too Way to be honest, boo, I mean, listen, you guys want honesty, openness from me. Here you have it. No, I don't. How can you look at someone or like spend an hour with someone, because it would be when you first see them right. So like, if you're at a bar or at a party or at dinner and you first see them, how could you know you're gonna love that person when you know nothing about them? But those butterflies that you get, that's your attraction to them. You think that they're good looking and you're like, oh my God, I'm in love. No, you're in lust.
Speaker 1:You believe in love at first sight. I believe kind of what you're saying, that it is mostly lust at first because it's at first sight Right.
Speaker 2:Right so.
Speaker 1:I see you, I'm going to think you're attractive, I'm going to be attracted to you and I'm going to want to get to know you. I want to unbunch your panties, I want to unbunch your panties, I want to unbunch your panties, I want to unbunch your panties. And then I think the love part of it kind of comes into play once you start to have a conversation with the person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just don't see how people can say like it was love at first sight. I mean, listen, if any of you have had love at first sight, tell me Like, send us a message. Well, it's like love is blind. Oh, I love that show, but it's never. But see, this is the problem. Then, when they see each other and when they see that like this person isn't cute, then their face changes.
Speaker 1:I know I always look for that moment, but I also think that sometimes it's because, I mean, you could also make the argument that you can fall in love with somebody without necessarily being attracted to them at first. Right, like there are people that have met other people whom they weren't attracted to at first and then gotten to know them, and you see this a lot, I think, with like straight women and guys Like the guy who's not exactly the best looking guy but he's funny, he's's all these things, and then she's like, she's like, oh, he's cute, and then she falls in love with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, women, I think women do like funny guys. I. I think that that's like a big thing. They, women, always want someone to make them laugh. Um, I think that's just across the board. You think guys want women to make them laugh I don't know I so.
Speaker 1:No, I mean women in general. I think like funny partners or like people to make them laugh.
Speaker 2:That's probably how I got with all my partners because they thought I was funny. I highly doubt that that's the only reason why I mean you know I'm pretty funny, so that's probably how I kept. You are pretty funny. Oh, now you're hitting on me. I'm married.
Speaker 1:Oh your hair, you better, I don't know. I'm just saying, Listen, button your shirt up a little bit. It's doing something for me. No, I need to unbutton it. Oh, listen, it's getting hot in here.
Speaker 2:I'm spoken for I'm yeah, so that's what I think about it. I think lust at first sight rather than love. I mean, that's my opinion, but if anyone thinks otherwise, let me know. But there's nothing. I also don't think there's anything wrong with being shallow. I think being shallow sometimes people are like oh, why are you like that? You should look at someone's personality before you look at their appearance. Well, if I can't get past your appearance, then I'm not gonna want to know your personality. If you're a butterface, we could be friends, Like you could be the homie.
Speaker 1:I mean, look, I have been in situations where I have met girls who I was not physically attracted to and I ended up dating them anyway. Yeah, you did, you did, and that didn't turn out great, but I thought they were good people.
Speaker 2:You were doing like charity work. Oh my God, cut that out. Cut that one out. That was good, though Cut it out.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not cutting that out. I'm leaving that in Cut that out. Cut that one out. That was good, though Cut it out. I'm not cutting that out. I'm leaving that in Cut that out. Edits no, I was not doing charity work.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know you can claim it on your taxes. Shit that's fucked up. Shit that's so fucked up. Don't come for me people. I hope you have a great thanksgiving and they have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1:let me know actually, maybe we should do what we're thankful for oh, okay, um, you go first oh you go first. All right, I am thankful for you, I am thankful for you, I am thankful for doing this podcast with you. I am thankful, of course, for my friends and my family, and I am I'm thankful for my health, most importantly because without it, I would not be here. So, yeah, so I think that pretty much sums up everything I'm thankful for this year.
Speaker 2:That's a good list. I'm thankful for you, of course, for pushing me to do this podcast, for having it here and it's set up so nice I love it. I'm thankful for my, you know, having it here and it's set up so nice, I love it. I'm thankful for my beautiful wife, my beautiful teenager, my sisters, my parents, my niece, all of my friends, all of them, even ones that I haven't made time to see. I know people have been hitting me up like when are you know, when am I going to see you? I'm sorry, but I'm thankful for all, for all of them, for my job, for my career and, you know, for life, for life. I think I've come a long way. I'm. I'm really excited to see where, you know, every step takes us, and I think this is really fun and it's given me a different purpose.
Speaker 1:So yeah, this has been fun. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun and I think we're gonna we're gonna do a lot of good with this and we'll be able to have a lot of really cool experiences, hopefully, yes, if you guys give us some ratings, you know, yes, please rate us.
Speaker 2:I did hit up a few of my friends to sadly find out you guys have not rated this podcast. You need to rate us, you need to subscribe to us or give me your phone, I'll do it for you?
Speaker 1:No, so we need some ratings, some subscriptions.
Speaker 2:We need questions. Hit us up like hey, ava or Solange.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we need more of these babies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, give us some stuff to talk about. We'll talk about it, we'll say more about it, we'll say more about it. Yeah, we need more of these babies. Yeah, give us some stuff to talk about, like, we'll talk about it, we'll say more about it.
Speaker 1:We'll say more about it. You know, yeah, we will, all right. Well, we're going to wrap that up and we're going to catch you guys on the next one. We wish you guys a very, very happy Thanksgiving and safe Thanksgiving and lots of shopping for those on the next day of Thanksgiving, because that's the only thing I look forward to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Black Friday, the Black Friday when I feel like it's not as good. The deals aren't as good as they used to be. Yeah, it hasn't been very good, I know.
Speaker 1:We'll see. Yeah, we're going to catch you guys on the next one. Thank you so much for watching Later. Boos, bye, boos.
