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Mining Indaba: Community Voices | What Partnership Really Means for Mining Communities

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This is the second of three Community Voices podcasts, as part of the Mining Indaba 2026 special podcast series. 

This episode explores the realities for local communities of mining’s expansion in the Hwange region of Zimbabwe. This is a conversation about evidence, accountability and why and how ‘stronger together’ can and must include community voices.

Speakers include:

  • Assheton Stewart Carter I Executive Chair and Founder at TDi Sustainability
  • Nkosi Sibanda I Regional Lead, Human Rights Measurement Initiative,
    Community mobiliser and activist

Nkosi is the Regional Lead at the Human Rights Measurement Initiative, where he leads work across 12 countries across Africa. He is also the Founder of the Center for Environmental and Corporate Accountability Research (CECAR), a youth-led CBO leveraging geospatial and blockchain technologies to advance data-driven
environmental and mineral governance advocacy. 

This episode is part of the TDi Sustainability special series of podcasts produced for the Mining Indaba event that will take place in Cape Town between 9th – 12th February 2026. Find out more about the event>

Introducing Nkosi Sibanda and the Community Voices Award

Why Community Voices Matters for Mining Communities

Nkosi’s Journey: Human Rights, Climate Activism, Community Mobilisation

Assheton Stewart Carter

Hello and welcome to this special edition of Suits and Boots, the TDI sustainability podcast series, in conjunction with the Investing in African Mining Indaba. In this series, we discuss some of the key themes that will be covered at the 2026 Mining Indaba conference. I'm Assheton Stewart Carter, Executive Chair at TDI and board member and chief investment officer at The Impact Facility. Today we're joined by one of the winners of this year's Community Voices competition run by the Impact Facility and the Mining Indaba organizers. Nkosi Sibanda is a Zimbabwean researcher, community mobilizer, human rights defender, and regional lead of the Human Rights Measurement Initiative. And just to give you some idea of the scale of his accomplishments, the Human Rights Measurement Initiative, which Nkosi leads, works across 12 different African countries. As well as that, he's also the founder of the Center for Environmental and Corporate Accountability Research, which is a youth-led community organization leveraging geospatial and blockchain technologies to advance data-driven environmental and mineral governance advocacy. And this is reaching over 3,000 youths and women on participatory mineral governance. So we have in Nkosi a very experienced individual who has a great track record of mobilizing communities to ensure more benefits for communities around mineral development. And this is a theme, and this award is very special to me because I founded the impact facility about eight years ago with the specific purpose of investing into mining communities. And back in the day, I researched and wrote my PhD thesis on this on this project as well. And I worked for 12 years in NGOs promoting ways to drive economic development to mining communities, ensure that their rights were protected. So a big shout out to the Indaba and to the Impact Facility for this Community Voices Award, which I think is beginning now to recognize some of the most important community leaders around mineral development in Africa. So, Nkosi, we've got some serious topics to talk about today, but first of all, perhaps we can hear a little bit about your journey. You wear a great many hats. You're a human rights defender, you're a community mobilizer, a published researcher, climate activist award winner, regional leader for this vast human rights measurement initiative. You engage governments, you've founded the Center for Environmental Corporate Accountability and Research. Explain a little to our listeners about your significant story, I think I'd like to say. Tell us how it began and what got you to where you are now.

“Minerals Should Improve Lives”… So Why Didn’t They?

Be the Change: Taking Responsibility for Community Outcomes

Why Data Matters: Turning Lived Experience into Evidence

Setting the Scene: What Happened to Hwange Over Time?

Nkosi Sibanda

Thank you so much, uh Assheton, and uh thank you for having me. Uh, this is such an important uh conversation that we're having. And uh yeah, it looks like we're starting right from the beginning. So I come from uh a mining town. Uh Hwange is one of the major mining towns in Zimbabwe, and it has been a mining town for over 800 years. So the town itself, its existence and uh you know its its sustainance has always been uh anchored in the mining industry. So it's been uh a coal mining uh area since around uh 1906. So that is where I come from. So mining to me is not uh abstract. Uh mining has always been uh our daily lives, it has always been uh you know the air that we breathe, the water that we drink, the land that uh we work on. But uh growing up in such uh an environment, I I always expected more from my community because in school we are taught that uh minerals are meant to make our lives better, minerals are meant to develop us and so forth. But uh growing up, I didn't see much of that, especially in my generation. There wasn't much of that. Uh the infrastructure around me was dilapidated, the quality of education uh was below par. So that always got me wondering if really is uh minerals meant to uplift our lives or to uplift lives of those that uh you know are involved in the in the in the in the mining business. So that has always been how I grew up, and uh seeing all this that was happening around me, it it got me asking a lot of questions that I didn't have responses to. And uh that is what maybe shaped what I really studied in school, uh, and that uh really shaped uh where I am right now. But if you look at uh everything that I do, I know that I wear so many heads. There's one thing that is central in that, or maybe uh rather two things, but uh one of the most important things is that uh I am being the change that I want to see in my community. So whenever I see a gap that uh needs me, I'm always ready to jump in and being the change that I want to see in my community. That has been central to my philosophy, that uh there's no one who's going to come and serve this and save my community except I do so. So I've always been involved in various community initiatives from really a young age until now, because to me, what is really key and central is that I need to be the change that I want to see in my community. And secondly, especially when I was a bit older, what really shaped uh what I do today, if you notice there's uh a common denominator there as well, and that denominator is uh data-driven engagements. Because I realize that sometimes we tend to get emotional about most of these things that we are facing in community, we tend to be very emotional about them. They are very emotional because they affect our day-to-day lives. But being emotional about them without providing data and credible evidence of their existence, I know that uh it might sound somehow upset that I need to prove that I'm suffering, I need to prove that the air is polluted, I need to prove that the water that I'm drinking has been polluted by mining companies, but that's how it is. If you do not find ways, you know, to pursue data-driven engagements, you end up sounding like someone who's just making unnecessary noise. You end up sound sounding like someone who's pushing a certain agenda. So you realize that central to most of my work is pursuing data-driven engagements. In all that we do, there has to be data and evidence that drives the engagements that we are having. So that's what led uh to me uh founding my own research organization that I lead with other young people in Wange. And uh we are using various uh you know research tools to gather data that can drive policy conversations, that can drive decision-making conversations. At Human Rights Measurement Initiative, I'm also leading uh work uh whose uh work that is really anchored around uh measuring.

The Chinese Investment Era: Promises, Jobs, and Reality on the Ground

Assheton Stewart Carter

There's a lot to unpack then. I'm gonna try and unpack some of those topics uh during our talk, especially on the data-driven. But I was very taken by the be the change you want to be, because I hear there that you're taking responsibility um for that change rather than waiting for it to happen, um, happen to you. And that really kind of talks to your activist roots, I guess. Um you mentioned, you know, that um I guess your realization that things aren't as they should be came from your experience living or growing up in a mining town in Hwange, which I visited by the way, probably back back in 1995 or 1996 as part of my postdoc studies. Could you tell us a little bit about uh kind of draw a picture for our listeners about what is happening what has happened in Hwangi historically? I believe there was an influx of Chinese mining companies in the area at one stage. Did you see that they brought the jobs and the prosperity that you were hoping for? What is the situation um now and what were the community expecting?

Environmental Harm and Everyday Impacts: Air, Water, Agriculture

Mining Near Homes and Schools: The Blasting Example

Nkosi Sibanda

Yeah, that's a very important question. And if you visited, if you last visited Hwange in 1995, if you were to visit again, you'll be very shocked at how uh things have turned out to be. Uh, because of course, uh I wasn't born in that era, but there are a lot of illustrations that are off there are of magazines that we grew up uh reading. And we're also wondering how things turned out to be how they were when we were growing up and how they are right now compared to the you know pre-independence and uh early uh independence, yes, the early the 80s and the 90s. Uh, because back then mining was run by uh Wange Collar Company, uh, which was the major or the mostly for for most of the time, it was the only company that was mining in Wange. And uh maybe due to how it was run from its days being uh you know by the the colonial government. But uh in the early 2000s, things uh took uh you know a drastic change. The major company, the Hwange Colliery Company, uh started uh you know going on a downward spiral. Uh things were getting out of control, uh there was rampant corruption and you know, nepotism and so on. So most of the things were starting to get run down. Unfortunately, that coins, uh, those were the years when we're also crying up. After a while of things not really going as people were expecting with the major mining company on a downward spiral, then began the talks of uh the Chinese coming in to invest. And uh for most of us, we thought that this might be an opportunity for our town to be restored to its former glory. For those that were older than us, you know, they were telling us stories about how things were. But unfortunately, that was not uh the reality. You know, when we hear about foreign investment, you you always link it to development and improvements in quality of life. But now that I'm looking back, I actually think that we might have gotten the almost opposite of that. We are mostly experiencing severe environmental degradation and very, very, very, very limited uh local benefit. We can take, for instance, jobs. You know, when uh uh one of the major promises that were being sold to us as the community was that we are going to get jobs, you know, we are going to see most young people being absorbed into the workforce. That's a message of hope, especially in a country where unemployment is very high and uh, you know, quality of life is uh is low, people are living 60% of the population is living below the poverty timeline. So that was uh a you know a promise of hope, a message of hope that uh young people are going to be absorbed into the labor force. We are going to see a lot of Chinese mining companies coming in to mine and to process coal. Yes, the jobs were there, but they were not the kind of quality jobs that most of us hoped for. Because even unto this day, most of the locals are had only as uh manual laborers and mostly on a casual basis. Most of them are doing skilled work, but they are being paid as general laborers. Mining has really turned to a case for our communities. Our roads are in a worse state than they were maybe probably 10 to 15 years ago before the influx of Chinese mining companies. Uh the air pollution is in is in it's just in a state that we cannot even comprehend. Most of our water bodies are polluted. And uh Wang yet uh a unique uh setup because apart from people working in mines, most people survived in uh agriculture and those have been uh impacted because those agricultural activities carried the community through most of the hard years when uh the major uh mining company was on a cannot spiral. So most people's livelihoods were really anchored on those agricultural activities. But now, with most of the water bodies polluted, those activities are no longer as protective as they were. So those are some of the impacts or those are some of the benefits that we have managed to reap as a community as compared to what uh we had really hoped for, and uh, it's really set and uh and unfortunate. At some point, actually, not just some point, right now, mining is even happening closer to residential areas, mining is happening closer to even schools. There's uh a mine, there's an active mine right now that is only a stone, a stone throw away from a primary school. And uh at some point, learners were being asked to leave the school during learning hours to go home to allow the company to carry out its blasting exercises, which I believe that uh it is uh so much unfair, especially for a community that uh has been so disadvantaged for a very long time.

Assheton Stewart Carter

Thank you for that um graphic description. It sounds like a case of resource curse, which is something that you brought up in the video that you submitted for your application for the um award, which you uh rightly won. And your description then of the magazines that you read of the town that you were well, I guess framed or um was inspiration for some of your expectations for what foreign investment might bring, talks to the dependency that is at the root of the resource curse. That in those days it was probably a mining town and everything, the swimming pools included, were controlled by the mine. But nowadays the um the opportunities for jobs is less as companies become more automated, skilled workers come from overseas. How do you benefit from this when those jobs aren't there? What do you expect from the mining companies or the government in terms of uh development within the town?

Nkosi Sibanda

That's uh a very, very, very important question. I think number one, uh mining companies should be able to plow back into the communities they are operating in. It is said that uh in Zimbabwe we do not have a corporate social responsibility legislation or an instrument that uh legislates, governs uh you know, corporate social responsibility, because it's something that we have also been advocating for. We have seen that uh maybe our advocacy might be paying off because the new proposed uh mines and minerals bill that is currently uh in the process, that is going to be an act of parliament, has got some sections that uh speak into corporate social uh responsibility, although not in the way that we would have liked uh to see them being framed. Uh, because we we strongly believe that uh companies must have a certain percentage of their profits that uh they plow back into the community areas. Number two, we expect uh these companies to ensure that uh they rehabilitate the environment. And uh they also operate within uh responsible mining standards that uh you know uh that are have been uh you know prescribed both nationally, regionally, and uh internationally. There are so many instruments that have been developed over the years that uh really try to shape how mining companies can operate in a more responsible way, ensuring that uh the environmental harm is minimal, uh the health harm to the community is also minimal. So those are some of the expectations that uh we uh that we have as a community, and of course, rehabilitation of uh of public infrastructure, most of which is destroyed by their existence in these communities. You know, we're talking about roads and other uh public infrastructure that they can simply repent and ensure that uh they are in uh uh in a good state. But above that, we we also expect locals to be involved in the entire mineral value chain, not just in employment, but uh in the value chain itself. We expect you know companies to try and uh and work with uh local innovators, and of course, we expect them to uh you know to share some of their technologies. You know, there's been a talk of uh technology transfer. We expect to see that uh happening and also the reskilling of the already existing uh skilled uh workforce to ensure that uh the workforce is also not uh left out. Because uh right now mining is at uh a critical uh stage because uh we are we are also seeing uh talks around uh just uh transition. At the core of uh just transition, uh just transition conversations is the transitioning of the workforce. We cannot transition the economy alone. We also need to transition the workforce as well to ensure that uh the workforce is able to continue.

Assheton Stewart Carter

You made a good point there about just transition, of course. Just transition or transition in Western Europe and the USA, Northern Hemisphere is more about transitioning away from um hydrocarbons and um fuels like coal or coal in particular. And you also mentioned that mining is now at a critical stage, and just spinning off that term, critical minerals. Do you believe that for Zimbabwe coal is a critical mineral? We talk about critical minerals a lot as what is needed for the energy transition, but so for Zimbabwe, where there is a dependency on coal for energy generation and also a need for mining to develop more jobs and opportunities for a growing population, should Zimbabwe consider coal to be critical?

Data-Driven Advocacy: Remote Sensing, Verification, and Policy Influence

Nkosi Sibanda

I personally believe that uh the term critical can mean different things depending on context. Internationally, I'm a claim, I've been involved in uh climate uh activism myself, and uh such terms do really come up uh in most of our engagements. I've been to COP, uh I followed engagements uh in negotiations around uh you know the just energy transition uh work program, the the just transition uh work program of the UNFCCC. Uh critical minerals get mentioned uh a lot, but I believe that uh the term can carry different meanings. Internationally, when we talk about critical minerals, we are necessarily talking about uh minerals that are essential for high-tech industries or green energy transition. Uh these are uh minerals like your lithium, your cobalt, and uh other uh rare earths, uh which are also present in Africa, and some are also present in Zimbabwe. So coal doesn't really fit that uh definition of a critical mineral. In fact, coal is often seen as a problem mineral in the context of climate change. So uh it's it's more of uh you know the problematic mineral that needs to be phased out. But however, from uh Zimbabwe's domestic policy standpoint, coal has always been critical or has always been considered critical for our energy needs and our economy. Our government still regards coal as strategically important. And uh in our mines and minerals bill, our new uh legislation that is going to govern uh mines and mineral uh resources, coal is central. In plain terms, without coal, Zimbabwe slides would go off, at least uh with the current infrastructure that we have right now. So without coal, there's no energy in Zimbabwe because most of our energy comes from uh thermal powered power stations. So that makes coal critical in the sense of Zimbabwe. The former mining minister was on record uh saying that uh coal is going to be central in driving our 12 billion mining industry, uh, which is part of our blueprint uh in Zimbabwe. Uh and uh he explicitly said that coal is expected to be contributing about one billion of that uh 12 billion US dollar mining. industry. But from a personal perspective, I think that in as much as coal it might be a critical might be critical to Zimbabwe today, this also paints a very troubling future for our nation, particularly for us young people who are the future of this nation. Because the trajectory at which the world is moving in clearly shows that in not so many in not so many years the coal will have to be phased out you know to embrace you know the new way of uh of living you know to embrace the transitioning especially for communities like Wange where I currently stay where everything the entire economy of this town is anchored on coal. So those are some of the conversations that we have been having as young people we're looking into into other clean coal technologies we're looking into uh the cracking of coal to produce uh hydrogen and I think interestingly Zimbabwe has got uh also deposits of lithium which I believe that uh we should also be paying more attention uh to that so yeah I think the term critical raises uh a lot of uh conversations because we also find ourselves asking questions like critical for who and uh how can we be part of these uh conversations as young people yeah the dilemma around coal and energy production really gets the heart of sustainable development I think which is trade-offs and how we manage those trade-offs and reduce the trade-offs and there's a dependency on coal in Hwange and in Zimbabwe generally which I think emphasizes even more the imperative to ensure that the wealth that that generates is distributed appropriately and reinvested into the communities and the economy and into renewable energy.

Assheton Stewart Carter

I'd like to turn now to the um I'll say taken by the comment that you made in your opening remarks around evidence science and um the power that you can use to advocate for your communities. Tell us a little bit about how you use that and how far you've been able to take the evidence that you've generated to address or alter influence policymakers. And you know I'm thinking here that evidence is important because it implies a kind of a factual evidence base. But in the world now you know what were truisms don't seem to be anymore and things like fake news make us doubt some of the evidence that we see in front of us. So enlighten us about how you're going around generating the evidence and using the data and inferencing policy thank you so much.

Misinformation Lessons: Why Verification Protects Credibility

Partnerships Over Confrontation: Getting Authorities to Engage

Nkosi Sibanda

I think uh evidence or data is uh very very very important uh in our struggle because it turns our lived realities our lived experiences into undeniable facts that uh policymakers and uh companies can't really easily ignore coming from a community perspective you know we can protest we can tell stories in as much as those stories might be powerful but if we cannot back them up with the hard evidence collected uh in proven scientific methods or empirical methods it become harder for us to effect any change I think like I said earlier on we have tried you know uh I've seen uh a lot of uh activism uh you know around coal mining activism around pollution and most of it didn't really yield any results mostly because it could be dismissed it could be easily dismissed because it was not backed by evidence which really led to uh myself and other young people and other you know activists in Wange getting really involved in finding ways we can gather data uh within uh our communities to ensure that uh we don't just tell our stories but we can also uh pack them up using uh data that cannot uh that one cannot really deny at times it becomes costly and uh most of us uh particularly if you are coming from a a a community based organization uh point of view you don't really have a huge budget for you to carry out uh empirical uh studies you know for you because it uh it costs a lot of money especially if you are talking about uh studies that involve uh maybe uh testing of of soil samples testing of water samples deploying uh sensors to monitor air quality that uh might cost a lot of money so that has always been our struggle because I remember at some point uh there was an outcry from uh a community that depends on one of the most polluted rivers in Wange that was back in the day uh there's a river it's called river it was on the news uh for uh for a number of years because communities were reporting you know uh stories of how the polluted water has affected their livelihoods the polluted water has uh affected their lives uh livestock but it became hard for us to advocate around that issue because when we tried to push for advocates around that issue uh the government produced uh their data uh they just left uh uh data on our faces to say you are saying that uh the river is polluted but we have carried out uh our own uh you know water quality testing and uh this these are the results and there was no way we we could argue with the results without providing uh maybe counter results you know counter data so that conversation was just shut down like that but everyone could see that uh the water is polluted uh you know the villagers were attesting to that but there was nothing that we could do uh as uh as as advocates as activists so that really showed that without data we cannot really progress uh any conversation when i traveled to the United States on a fellowship I was privileged enough to to be exposed uh to how we can leverage on remote sensing as uh a cheaper alternative to gather data and present uh and tell our stories uh better uh that program really uh helped how I see things but not only does data serve in us uh pursuing advocacy from that standpoint it also informs us and also because I want to quote your point on uh on uh disinformation and uh misinformation there was uh a cry about uh mining that was happening uh within the Wanga National Park uh someone just uh reported you know what guys there's mining that's that is happening in uh uh in the Hwange National Park and that has been a major driver of wildlife coming or encroaching into residential areas particularly elephants so we just ran with that story without ourselves having to you know to verify it and then uh again uh the government and the and the mine itself uh produced uh maps that showed that they were not mining in the Hwange National Park and that really discredited uh the critical mass we're seen as people were just that trying to you know were just trying to derail uh mining activities we're seen as sponsored agents that are spreading lies and that really uh you know hit the movement really hard to an extent that everything that we said after that could not really be taken uh seriously so it was that was also an an important push factor for me to say from now on we cannot just uh you know share stories without having to pick them up with data which is why when we're advocating uh for mining uh in the Hwange National Park in 2024 when we're writing the petition we're making sure that the petition is grounded in facts the we we did the satellite imagery we identified the area we're ensuring that we are providing our own alternative maps that show that uh the mining is actually encroaching uh into a protected area which is why even the mining affairs point in Zimbabwe had to listen to us and uh that project was stalled so that really proves that uh data can be a critical tool in driving uh advocacy so over the years we've we uh we've we've been trying to sharpen our skills uh we've also been trying to explore other ways we can uh rely on other low-cost um you know uh research methodologies uh that can help us tell our stories better uh we are currently working towards uh deploying an application that combines uh a basic camera of uh a cell phone and satellite imagery to monitor to monitor uh water quality because that has been uh a lacking uh uh link in our in our in our advocacy in terms of air quality land decretation uh we've produced uh reports that have been taken seriously our air quality uh report really uh really sparked a conversation around the the amendment of the pneumoconosis act uh which i can uh say right now that the pneumoconosis act uh was repealed uh the 1997 pneumo uh conosis act has been repealed and uh is being uh reintegrated uh into another act of parliament that uh we think that uh most probably our work uh particularly our data has been able to really uh influence that uh policy conversation so we are now working towards uh influencing such policy conversations or such critical conversations around also water quality monitoring so yeah data has really been uh critical and uh one thing that uh we also do lastly uh as i as i wrap up on this one one thing that we relate to is to ensure that uh we are really transparent on the methodologies that uh we use because we want everyone to be able to to see where we are coming from that we didn't just arrive at some result that we just pulled out of out of some magic bag but these are really credible uh methodologies uh proven scientific methodologies that uh anyone can peer review and uh also as certain that uh our results or our data contains uh a high degree of uh accuracy that's great to hear those um those success stories and evidence of the importance of evidence importance of data you know but even if we do have this data even if you do have this data and you're able to get and to publicize it it seems to me that people can still counter that with their own data and analysis and you know going to the theme of the indaba this year is strong together progress through partnerships do you feel that in this endeavor to get to gather the data and present it appropriately that you would benefit from having partnerships people who can endorse can augment the data um can back it up substantially so that you can be stronger? Absolutely absolutely so previously before I founded uh the Center for Environmental uh uh and corporate accountability research I was part of uh another uh institution and uh one lesson that I drew from that was that uh confrontational advocacy does not yield results because if you confront someone in uh in authority they can choose not to listen to you and there's nothing that you can do apart from continuing uh making noise so when I founded uh my my organization it was really premised on uh having uh partnerships and working relationships with those in government for example our air quality report as damning as it was we managed to engage the environmental management uh agency in Zimbabwe our local office uh we had an engagement with them and uh we managed to also compare because they also conduct uh these uh studies as well uh especially on uh air quality they conduct their own studies that they might also sometimes choose not to share with the public based on their internal policies but we managed to uh compare our data to see that uh our data was actually not so far from what they'd uh also gathered and uh they also managed to sort of endorse we have had them in our meetings uh we've had them uh in our in our different forums we make it a point that uh we cannot have a conversation without having those in authority being uh in that temple but we have managed to do this only at uh a local level so we've managed to build a really healthy relationship because we got to understand or I got to understand that uh if you confront someone they they get into a defensive mode and uh usually if someone in authority is in a defensive mode the one who loses is the is the is the community member or the community itself but if you engage if you're showing that you are not coming to confront this is not a witch hunt but you're coming to to also engage have a healthy working relationship uh that also helps and I strongly believe that uh much of the success that uh we have enjoyed has always been uh due to the fact that uh our local uh environmental uh uh environmental management agent's office uh has got a healthy working relationship with us our local authority has got a healthy working relationship with us both at a personal level at institutional level so they really value the information that uh we also bring to the table and uh sometimes they escalate it further and uh they also endorse it making it uh really carry some weight uh in the corridors of power so partnerships are really are really important and uh we cannot be stronger unless we are we are working together uh our cry for uh for inclusivity must not only be centered on us being included uh in uh in in discussions uh you know that matter but also should should also uh be seen in us showing the willingness to engage not uh to confront so those are some of the lessons that I've had uh uh over the years that's great and very sadly I think I'm gonna have to bring the conversation to um an end but you've given me and I'm sure our listeners a lot to think about from your inspirational stories and your collaborative approach to making things better for mining mining communities and I hope that this award will help you meet and create more partnerships in Cape Town at the Indaba and the Mining Indaba conference in February.

Assheton Stewart Carter

So it leaves me really just to thank you once again thank our speaker Nkosi Sibanda for joining us today and to our listeners please check out the rest of this special series of Mining Indaba podcasts on the TDI sustainability suits and boots podcast channel I look forward to seeing you all at the event in February where you can hear more from Nkosi and other Community Voices 2026 winners. I'm Assheton Carter and thank you for listening