Finding Your Perfect Match Through Science -Desiree Calvin Lawrence

Have you ever wondered why you keep ending up with the wrong person despite your best efforts? Desiree Calvin Lawrence, visionary entrepreneur and creator of HeartLib, has pioneered a revolutionary approach to finding love that transcends the usual dating advice. In this fascinating conversation, he unveils the KNCSR model—a scientifically-grounded, data-driven system that deciphers the hidden dynamics determining relationship success.

What makes this approach truly groundbreaking is the concept of the "quotient magnet"—a numerical compatibility that explains why we're sometimes inexplicably drawn to certain people. But Lawrence reveals a crucial truth: strong attraction doesn't always signal a healthy relationship. His research demonstrates that every person has 48 different potential relationship types they could experience, creating nearly 2,000 distinct relationship case studies. The HeartLib system analyzes your personal data to identify which specific partners would bring out your best self emotionally, physically, and mentally.

Unlike conventional dating apps that treat love as a numbers game, HeartLib removes the guesswork by examining deep compatibility patterns that have historically proven successful. Lawrence explains how his system can predict relationship outcomes with remarkable accuracy—even before a first date occurs. For those skeptical about such claims, HeartLib offers complimentary case study analysis of past relationships to demonstrate their methodology's effectiveness. If you're tired of throwing darts in the dark hoping to hit the bullseye of love, this episode might just change your approach forever. Ready to discover if your perfect match is closer than you think? Visit heartlib.us to learn more about transforming your love life through the science of connection.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introducing Desiree Calvin Lawrence
• 2:15 The Origin of HeartLib and Relationship Research
• 11:56 The KNCSR Model vs. Traditional Dating Apps
• 18:55 Decoding Number Magnets and Attraction
• 22:30 How Emotional Compatibility Enhances Connection
• 30:20 Finding Your Perfect Match with HeartLib

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome back, listeners, to the Pleasure Principles podcast, where we explore intimacy, emotional intelligence and the deeper science of connection. I'm your host, sana, and today's episode is for anyone who's ever asked why do I keep ending up with the wrong person or is there a way to know they're right before we even meet? And our guest today is someone who is reimagining the way we love from the ground up. Listeners meet Desiree Calvin Lawrence. From the Ground Up Listeners meet Desiree Calvin Lawrence. He's a visionary entrepreneur, author of four transformative books and the creator of Heartlib and my Real Lover Academy.

Speaker 1: 0:54

Now, desiree isn't about selling fairy tales or dating gimmicks, like you usually see. He has built the KNCSR model, which is a scientifically grounded, data-driven approach, deciphering the deep, often hidden, dynamics that make relationships thrive. And, yes, it goes way beyond the chemistry. Listeners, as someone who has always been fascinated by the tension between fate and free will and love, and as a host who has personally questioned why we invest so much time in trial and error, I am so ready for this conversation, listeners, and I hope you all are. So let's quickly dive in, because your perfect match might be closer than you think. So, with that, desiree, welcome to the show and it's such a pleasure having you with us.

Speaker 2: 1:48

Thank you so much, Sana, for having me. I truly appreciate the opportunity and for the warm introduction. Thank you very much.

Speaker 1: 1:56

Lovely, lovely Desiree. So before even we jump on to talking about your work at Hardlib, jump on to talking about your work at hard lip, a kncsr model, how, what exactly brought you to this world of scientifically and you know, spiritually, kind of understanding the dynamics behind? You know, relationships, love well.

Speaker 2: 2:20

I believe my journey started way back, probably over 20 years ago. I'm an avid learner. I try to learn as much as I can about any subject. So if you talk about cards, if you talk about apps, if you talk about coding whatever you can think of that inspires learning. I try to take advantage of it.

Speaker 2: 2:45

However, one of the few things that eluded me in my life was understanding relationships, because I was capable of attracting people to me quite easily, but I was trying to find a way to make sure I picked out the right person for me, not just just meeting people and just getting going out with them, or just. That was not my, my, my main focus, my focus was being with the right person, and what I realized was, every time I took that chance to be with the right person, it just didn't walk out the way I thought. So I started asking the question is there something deeper to this science? And that's how I started doing my research. So before that time, I'd written quite a number of books. Before that time, I'd written quite a number of books, but when I started seriously getting seriously interested in this, I said before I invest my life in a relationship that's going to be for the rest of my life, or at least for a long time. Before I really invest my time with somebody, is there a way to make sure I know what I am doing before I get into it? And that's what took me to the steps of research and going into the depths of the database behind relationships and finding everything I could find on relationships, and by the time I was done, I'd created an app add access documents that allowed me to actually pinpoint every relationship that you can think of on the planet. That means if you actually had somebody you knew right now, I could tell you exactly what is taking place in that relationship with that person.

Speaker 2: 4:46

And being able to know exactly who is right for you before you even get into that relationship became something that I used to find my own love right now, the love in my life, was knowing that this will be the person for me. So that means I knew it before I actually got involved with that person, and I've helped quite a number of people to actually understand their relationships before they get into it in the first place, before they say, let me get into this. I said, before you get into this relationship, let me see the database on this. Let me see the relationship dynamics on this, dynamics on this, and I know exactly how it will play out, whether it's made for love, whether it's made for friendship, whether it's made for business or whether it's made for something even more heartbreaking than you think, and I take that out.

Speaker 2: 5:34

And then there's there's a whole lot more to the signs when it comes to the, something I call the, the attraction quotient, something I call the attraction quotient, something I call the quotient magnet, the quotient magnet, and I could go on and on about this. But it helps me pinpoint exactly who is right for you and I give you the case studies about that relationship long before you get involved. So you know what you're getting involved with before you ever get involved with it. It's very powerful. Before your first date, you will know who you're dealing with before you actually go the distance with them. You know and you can say, yes, I'm ready to go for this relationship. So it's the combination of science and data bringing it together, bringing science and faith together in a way where you go the distance knowing that this will be the picture that is going to unfold down the line. So I know I've said a lot, but that's the.

Speaker 1: 6:35

So many questions.

Speaker 2: 6:37

That's the, that's the. That's a nutshell. What, what we do you know?

Speaker 1: 6:43

I've had so many questions, especially, you know, I've had so many questions, especially, you know, at that point when, um you decided uh to dedicate uh your time, your energy resources on researching about this from your own uh journey. Um, it's often, often when and i'm'm not just talking about romantic relationships, but any kind of relationships- you know, betrayal or arguments or not getting aligned on a specific stuff.

Speaker 1: 7:13

It is so much common and often it takes us inside into that vicious loop of thinking that why do I keep ending up with always this kind of situation? So, before even getting into the research, did you try to understand what was the root cause? Was there a fault within you or this was something that you didn't even know and you had to study about this?

Speaker 2: 7:43

Okay. So the beautiful thing about relationships is there's something called a quotient magnet. All right, sometimes when I say quotient magnet is a number magnet is an alignment in numbers within you based on your profile. There's a number magnet within you right now that automatically aligns you to somebody else. So you might be automatically attracted to somebody and you don't know why that is the case, but it's a number quotient. But the problem with the number quotient is when you are so aligned with this person, there's this instant attraction based on the number quotient.

Speaker 2: 8:32

The case study behind that number quotient is not good. It's not a good case study. So every relationship on the planet has a case study behind it, has a profile case study, a dynamic case study that goes behind that relationship. And if your numbers are so compatible, the numbers between both of you are so compatible, there is a number quotient. You might be so attractive to the person, but the relationship is very toxic because of the case study behind it. So people will be like, oh yes, I just I don't know what makes me want to just talk to him, but your relationship is so toxic, so detrimental to the self-worth, to the mental, and you don't know what it is. But it's the case study behind. That relationship is no good, whereas there's another factor within that same person they can meet is no good, whereas there's another factor within that same person they can meet Somebody right now is perfect connection. And the case study is also perfect.

Speaker 2: 9:45

And that's what we call the KNCSR model for perfection. Because that is what we do. We combine not just the number quotient for magnetic compatibility but we get a case study that is the most compatible for you, the best proficient. And if you're talking about business, we can choose business. If you're talking about marriage, we can get marriage. If you're talking about love, we can get love, because those two things are different. Love could be fleeting, could be just just love could be something where it's just relaxed and whatnot. Marriage is something that, at the end of the day, you have to invest in a sense of ownership. It's so strategic.

Speaker 2: 10:31

So if you talk about love and marriage, the combination of all this, everything, if we wanted to pull that off for the right relationship, we can do it simply based on the case studies and the magnetic numbers, which we call the KMCSO model for perfection in love. We do it very well and that's what I've been doing. I've been doing it for a lot of people. You go to my site, you'll see a lot of people that have been blown away by exactly how we can pinpoint every relationship they've been in and we tell them exactly what took place in that relationship and they're just like whoa, I don't know how you figured this out, and this is how we know, before you actually get into a relationship, what we are putting you into, we're guiding you into, so that you know yes, this is what I want, this is the kind of relationship I want before you ever get into it, and it's so powerful, it's mind-blowing, sana, it is completely mind-blowing.

Speaker 1: 11:36

When it's local, yeah, Completely mind-blowing. When it's local yeah and Desiree. What makes the KNCSR model different from the Bumbles or the Tinders of today? I mean the typical swipe left and swipe right approach.

Speaker 2: 11:56

Okay, you see, most people approach love as a numbers game. You know, keep dating, keep trying and hopefully you stumble upon the one, that one that is, you know that is that will just change your life. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 12:11

That makes you to the butterflies yep but what if I told you that it's like throwing darts in the dark hoping to hit a bullseye. You're like throwing these darts saying, yes, hopefully it hits the bullseye. That's exactly what you're doing. What Hapnip does is really remove the guesswork by combining deep psychological compatibility. Analysis were real-world case studies. So the real-world case studies we're talking about is what actually happens in every relationship known on the planet. So every one of you, every one of us, has a relationship dynamic. You, every one of us, has a relationship dynamic and it shows us exactly how our relationship unfolds with somebody else. We have that database. We have everything to show you exactly how your relationship will turn out with anybody.

Speaker 2: 13:11

So the cancer cell model we develop doesn't just look at surface level traits, like, you know, hobbies, interests but it goes deeper into what actually sustains relationships over time, like core values, emotional intelligence, long-term vision, the unspoken nuances that make two people fit effortless effortlessly together, if I can put it that way, something that when you meet the person you know yes, this feels right.

Speaker 2: 13:47

We actually try to make sure that is how we match you. So at HeartLift we don't just play the match Like oh, he loves reading books, he loves watching comics. No, that's not what we do. We find your right to match the one that historically, over time, over history, has proven to be your best match, the one who understands you at a fundamental level, the one who will bring out the best in you and, most importantly, the one who will bring you the happiness that lasts. That is what we do with HeartLib, exactly what we do, a hundred percent. We actually we don't say this, but we guarantee it Because by the time we actually give you your match, you know it is the best match, because that is why we guarantee it. We show you the person before you actually meet the person. We show you the report about what the person will be and we will show you exactly how to find this person in the real world. And that's what we do.

Speaker 1: 14:53

Absolutely, and that is I really love that, because what you are offering Desiree it feels like an emotional architecture, like blueprints, not butterflies, so that's really really exciting and interesting. And can you also walk us through one, or maybe more than one, real life example where KNCSR changed the outcome of a relationship?

Speaker 2: 15:23

you know I could go on and on and on, but you know I it did. The best way I can do this is just go, just go. Just go to half-lived us. I mean, you will see testimonials and people talking about this and talking about how it has shown them exactly how it works. I break it down in hotlibus. That means you go to h-e-a-r-t-l-i-dus slash, hot slash. Hatlip dot U-S. Yes, hatlip dot U-S. That's just go to Hatlip dot U-S.

Speaker 2: 16:05

When you go there, you see some of my presenters who actually presents the whole case behind Hatlip. You will see a pop-up video and you just watch it and you have a complete understanding. We break it down completely for you because, people, this is not like a fly-by-night um. This is not um um, describe who you are, describe your likes or whatnot. This is not just, it's not a, it's not a website, even though we have an app. We actually have an app that allows you to actually see the systems that we use with this and in that app, what you find out is the number magnets that we use to actually find you your perfect case study, because we go, use that numbers to find your case study and we can find you the best compatible match, anytime anywhere, in business, in love, in family, what in, in friendships, whatever you can think of we can find you your best match. So this is how to limit up yours. Just gives you a good understanding. You can go there, find the testimonials. It will blow your mind, the kind of things that people have experienced just with the Hatlim system.

Speaker 2: 17:28

So, yeah, and we have an educational system as well. We have the academy. Yeah, we have a lot that we can go on. We have the academy that gives you like instructions, guides you. It's not cheap, but at the end of the day, it's something where, because we know we're doing this, it changes lives.

Speaker 2: 17:47

You know people spend $100,000 to get a marriage, get their marriage going and at the end of the day, are they with the right person? At the end of the day, are they with the right person? Would you invest and get the right person before you spend $100,000 on a marriage, on a wedding and a whole everything? Invite everybody all around the world? Is it wise to invest a little bit before you do all that and knowing that you're with the right person, actually finding the right person before you do all that, so that you're with the right person, or actually finding the right person, before you do all that. So that's what we do. We just make sure you do it right from before you even get into anything that you choose to get into. When it comes to love very important you know a lot of heartaches, breaks. You know a lot of. You know, think about it. It's it's not a very easy world when, when you're in the wrong relationship, it's's not a very exciting place to be.

Speaker 1: 18:43

Yeah, true, I completely agree. And when you mention about the magnet quotient magnet one of the biggest myths about love is that opposites attract. But does your research support that, or is it more nuanced?

Speaker 2: 19:03

Okay. So instant attraction isn't random. It follows a pattern, a formula embedded in human nature. The number magnet philosophy we're talking about is built on the idea that every person emits a specific attraction frequency, like a signal, and certain individuals are naturally pulled into alignment with that signal. So Sana right now has a signal that emits from her, based on specific data that is unique to Santa. Think of it like the magnet forces in physics. You know Some people's energies just click.

Speaker 2: 19:53

You know negative, positive, negative, positive, but most people don't know how to recognize that instant pool. Or was the mistake temporary infatuation for true compatibility? So you might think you're infatuated, you feel this connection, but it is not true compatibility. That is the. That is where. That is where people fall in love instantly on first and it ends up being a heartbreak, like the next couple of weeks, the worst heartbreak, because it is what we call the number magnets. That is where the number magnets come in, where there's this instant attraction.

Speaker 2: 20:43

But the case study, the historical information about a relationship is not actually good for you. You see what I mean. And the case study? We use specific information based on you as a person. We use specific dates connected to you as a person and those dates is what we use to create the KNC-RSR data and we find the database. And we find the database, we use our database of all the relationships known that we've ever been able to decode over time and we say, all right, we know that, based on this historical data, this is exactly what you experience in your relationship at any time. Experience in your relationship at any time, every time you fall into this group of people or this particular cancer so cancerous, outdated, of people, is exactly what you experience that is, that is interesting and that is right.

Speaker 1: 21:54

I mean what you mentioned about, uh, you know, sometimes infatuation looks like you know, yes, yes, I have met my match. This is true love, this is the one, he or she is the one for me. So, yeah, I can. I can completely connect with that and an aspect of Now, since we are on pleasure principles. So how does emotional compatibility enhance physical connection and intimacy? Does K and CSR address that?

Speaker 2: 22:30

How does emotional compatibility?

Speaker 1: 22:35

How does it enhance physical connection and intimacy?

Speaker 2: 22:39

Okay. So when we put together our cancerous data, what we're doing is we're finding the best part of the relationship, both emotionally and physically, before we actually give you the report. So what we do is we go through our database. If we know, If we find out that, let's see. Can I use you? Do I have the permission to use you as an example in this? Yes, please go ahead. All right, I could say all right, Sana, based on your relationship database. What we can see in our database is that you have 48 different kinds of relationships you can be involved in 48 times.

Speaker 1: 23:39

Okay.

Speaker 2: 23:40

We could tell you exactly how every one of them plays out. Sometimes in life you don't necessarily engage in this relationship unless something brings you together, even though you might know this person right now and you might actually know the person that will be your best match. You know them personally but because circumstances has not brought you together to explore each other as a partner, you don't even know that is your best match. You don't even know. But what we do is we go through your 48 case studies. Everyone on this planet has 48 unique partners. That means there's over close to 2,000 different case studies of different everyone in a different kind of relationship. I mean, there's a pattern for everyone. So for your physical and emotional relationships and for those things that are physical, we know the ones that are physical for you, the ones that bring out your emotional vulnerability, the one that makes you, that takes advantage of you, makes you, that takes advantage of you. The ones that do not embrace your full potential, do not promote your self-esteem. We know those relationships, every last one of them, that either lift you up or pull you down, and it goes in both directions, as in marriage, in business, in love, in friendship. We know the ones that will actually make you a best version of yourself. So that means, if I could find somebody, if I go through your database right now, I could tell you all right, if you meet this person born on this day, born on this month, born in this year, you will never find somebody. Not that you will never, because I can find you another person again that will love you just like that. But if I found you will never because I can find you another person again that will love you just like that. But if I found you that person, you will love that person so much that you will not want to be with anybody else and that person will not want to be with anybody else. But that's because I already know the case study behind this person is one that makes you the apple of their eye, because I've studied based on the database of relationships all around the world and this specific relationship I know this relationship type for you, sana, will be the best ever that you've ever experienced. And what I do with my students is I give them, after they purchase the system of course, which they have to do, because these people end up getting married and, of course, they're going to end up spending hundreds of thousands, if not thousands of dollars with the right person. They want to know they are with the right person before they get involved with that person. So what we do is we get you all the options, of your best options of people that you can be with in terms of the case studies, and then we give you the dates, the months, the days, the year of who these people are and we show you how to find them. That means you can build your dating networks on your dating apps if you want to stay on your dating apps, but before you go out with anybody, you just need to know, you just need to confirm the information that we give you before you say, all right, I'm going out with this person. We can show you how to go on Facebook or any of these networks that you have. You just simply have to get this specific information that we tell you to get and, as long as it aligns with your case studies, you know they're the right people to be with Because their information what happens in that relationship is already going to be described to you before you ever got into the first date with this person.

Speaker 2: 28:12

You know, physically, you're going to be the perfect match. Emotionally you're going to be the perfect match. Emotionally you're going to be the perfect match. They're not going to be gaslighting you. They're not going to be. It's not going to be toxic. They're not going to be emotionally abusive. You know this will be like yes, I feel a connection with this person. I love this person. We relax. Whatever you're looking for, we give you the case study. You choose that person. You say this is what I want and you go after the person. But we'll give you options of who to choose and you go after the person that you want. But you know that will be the best match for you because we're already giving you the case studies we look through all the history and find the ones that are the best for you. Before we actually hand you those best matches and it's phenomenal. What happens is mind-blown. After that, you go to hotlipus. You see some of these things that we have. It's amazing. It's amazing.

Speaker 1: 29:11

That is really surprising, really surprising 48 and then 2,000 different case studies Numbers are really really interesting.

Speaker 2: 29:22

Yeah, so, before we wrap up, desiree, of course if our listeners would like to connect with you and of course you mentioned the website, but still if you would like to repeat how they can do that, so, just if you're tired, all right, of searching and want to find a relationship that's truly meant for you, then I really implore you to go to heartlibus H-E-A-R-T, heart, l-i-b, dot, u-s and take the first step, because I know your perfect match isn't a fantasy. It's not something that is like oh, it's out there. It's some trial and error that you can get to someday that hopefully one day it lands in your feet. It's not trial and error. We show you a proven system to get this person to you. We show you how it's possible to find this person, how you can go in the world and strategically find that perfect match, and it's just one right decision away. That's all you have to think about when you go to hotliftus. It's going to change your world. That's all you have to think about when you go to hotliftus. It's going to change your world, and I don't want to say guaranteed, because you have to put in the work. But yes, we know, before you get into a relationship, we know that this is exactly how it's going to play out. So definitely take advantage of that.

Speaker 2: 30:54

And if you're unsure and you're trying to say I want to know for sure that what you're saying is correct, we will give you a complimentary case study on any relationship you've had in the past that didn't work out, or even any relationship with somebody that is a friend or somebody you know that you're dealing with, somebody that you know just a relationship. You know that you're dealing with somebody that you know just in relationship any relationship that you're dealing with. We'll give you a case study of how that relationship plays out in your life and we'll show you exactly how it is, so that when you decide to invest in your case study for a true partner, somebody that will go the distance with you you know, we know what we're talking about. When we give you that coach study, we tell you this is the date, this is the month, this is the year of the person and this is what we need you to do to find that person. You know it's your best investment in love, marriage or business, and that is the best thing I can tell you today.

Speaker 2: 31:56

If you've heard me, I really want to help you and just change your world around. So that's what I have to say. Sam, I hope I've not bored you with my details.

Speaker 1: 32:09

Not at all. I can, absolutely. I'm getting the passion and the dedication, the conviction here, because this is not something out of an epiphany or, you know, an observation. It is years and years of research. So thank you, thank you so much for this eye-opening conversation. Desiree, you are definitely changing the rules of connection here, and love doesn't have to be a guessing game. So thank you, thank you so much.

Speaker 2: 32:42

You're the best, anna, thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Truly, I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 1: 32:48

And for anyone listening who's tired of repeating old patterns, maybe this is your permission slip to get strategic about your heart, and you can find digital's work at heartlib and my real lover academy. Just check out the show notes along with this episode. And because, honestly, as I mentioned, this man is changing the rules of connection until next time. Stay curious, stay soft and remember the right connection isn't just possible, it is predictable. Thank you.