Untitled EpisodeIt's Not an App. It's Social Media. What's Actually in Your Parenting App's Terms. | Ep 12

Is a court-ordered parenting app just an app? Shawn's argument: it is social media, with profiles, messaging, monitoring, and mandated costs, and once you call it what it is, the legal questions change completely.

In Episode 4 of The Shawn Lee Report, criminal trial attorney Shawn Lee walks through what is actually in the parenting app's terms of service, who profits from the professional contracts around these platforms, what the Meta lawsuits could mean as precedent, and why he reads mandated digital communication through the lens of "scheme or artifice to defraud." His framework, his analysis, taught at a kitchen-table level.

In this episode:
• The 'Scoundrel' experiment and the high cost of digital communication (0:00)
• Scheme and artifice to defraud, and why parenting portals are social media (2:58)
• Professional contracts, AI "high conflict" flags, and sponsorship conflicts (7:22)
• The new generation of lawyers and the Meta precedent (12:41)
• The 'Cash for Kids' analogy and auditing legal bills (19:45)
• Debtors' prison, due process, and the right to trial (28:21)
• Wire fraud memorandums and the rise of tele-justice (37:21)

Episode 5 premieres LIVE on Facebook Sunday, August 16 at 4 PM CT, with a public Q&A with Meg and Shawn right after the episode inside the same broadcast.

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General legal education, not legal advice. No attorney-client relationship is created by this content. The fraud framework presented is Shawn Lee's legal analysis. Family experiences described are family-reported.

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

That's because these court-ordered parenting applications are social media.

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Wait a second. So you're saying they're mandating us to pay a lot of money for these little apps online, but it's social media? Welcome to the Stand with Meg Show. I'm your host, Meg, and I'm here with Sean Lee from the Sean Lee Report. We are so excited to have you.

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Sean, what are we going to be learning about today?

SPEAKER_03 0:32

Uh today we're going to learn about family court social media.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Oh, that's a big topic. Oh my goodness. Well, let's dive in.

SPEAKER_03 0:40

Okay. All right. Um, Meg, I want to do a what we call a demonstrative exhibit. I want to demonstrate demonstrative exhibit. I want to demonstrate uh social media and technology and the impact it has. Okay. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to send you a text message. Okay. Okay. Just like we are interacting through a parent portal. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

So you're dad, I'm mom.

SPEAKER_03 1:05

Yeah. And I want you to read it, but don't comment. Okay? Okay. All right. Sent you a text message. Oh, darn it. I hate these things. All right. Check this. Megan.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Don't read it. Don't read it. Meg, you dirty Meg, you dirty, rotten scandel. We should turn your chickens into fried chicken with gravy and the eggs into omelets for the first fried conference. Are you jealous of my chicken? Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

So look at this text message. I'm calling you a scoundrel, and I'm threatening your chickens. Okay? I want to eat your chickens.

SPEAKER_01 1:44

And I actually had a neighbor do that once. They said if you don't move your chicken, we're going to have chicken soup for dinner.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

Okay. Now I want you to imagine that a lawyer and a guardian, two lawyers and a guardian Ed Lightham, and a therapist and a psychologist read that and what the bill would be. Oh, your good point. Okay. Here we are in person. And if I tell you, I think you're a scoundrel and I want to eat your chickens, we laugh. Because we're two human beings. Right. But if that went through a court report, then it would be a thousand dollar message.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Because everybody would, number one, Bill to read it. And number two, Bill to talk to each other about what they read, all of which would be wires. Wire number one was the message I sent.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:36

Wire number two was the message being transmitted to the attorneys, GALs, therapists, and psychologists. Wire number three is the attorneys, GALs, therapists, psychologists communicating with each other about the first wire. Wow. Well, let's go back to our definitions. 18 USC 1346 and 18 USC 1349. Okay. Scheme and artifice to defraud. It's a very broad definition. It is. It just leaves so much open to interpretation. Okay. How does this benefit co-parents? Right. It doesn't. Right. It makes a bunch of people a bunch of money. And that's where we're going today. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Can I read what it means, what it says? So the purpose of this, the term scheme or artifact artifice. Artifice? Artifice. Artifice to defraud includes a scheme or an artifice. What does artifice mean?

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Artificial.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Artificial. Fake. Fake. A scheme or fake. Okay, now we know what that means, people. To defraud includes a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest service. Services.

SPEAKER_03 4:06

So if you have a scheme where the purpose of the scheme is to draw you deeper and deeper into debt, that is a scheme.

SPEAKER_01 4:22

So all of these people that have gone completely bankrupt. Sorry, bankrupt, gone, this would be classified as that.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

Potentially, if anybody were to ask you, well, it depends. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:36

Right.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Let's say I ran for attorney general. My plan might be to go after some of these schemes and artifices to defraud. And I think that's the conversation we need to have nationwide wide right now is should people have their entire lives destroyed just because they went to family court? Okay. Now, let's talk about social media. What do you think social media is?

SPEAKER_01 5:00

To me, it's communication between people. It's like to me, it's like almost keeping up with what's going on. Yeah. Social media. It's a noun. Forms of electronic communication, such as websites for social networking and microblogging, through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, and personal messages and other content such as videos. Examples. Examp oh, what was this? That's cool. I've never even thought of what is social media. Webster's Dictionary. Council member my claim also weighed in on the social on his social media. That is so cool. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 5:42

Now let me ask you a question. I want your opinion. Okay. Do you think a court-ordered parenting portal is a form of social media?

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Well, if it's no. Look at the definition. But it's not a community. It's not a com or networking, okay, but it's not online, it's online. Okay, communities to share information, ideas, messages, and other content. Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:08

But it's not um, it's not live. Only the people that you okay to come in can see it.

SPEAKER_03 6:15

Do you see anywhere in there where it says private? No, that's not in the definition. That's because these court-ordered parenting applications are social media.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Wait a second. So you're saying they're mandating us to pay a lot of money for these little apps online, uh, but it's social media?

SPEAKER_03 6:35

What can you do with these apps? You can post photos, post videos, make calls, have videos, send messages, comment on all of the above, send bills, and you can do it all virtually with a bunch of people that you may never even see in real life.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

So that's social media. In that internet though?

SPEAKER_04 6:58

That's social media. These are social media companies. Okay. You are being ordered to pay companies that will admit that they are social media. Oh my gosh, I just blew up.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Where's my little ding ding? Where's our like? Anyone have a lamp we can have that can like pull down so that goes off? Because that is another one. Okay. Oh my lamb.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Let's go into some of this. I printed off the documentation for the most popular companies here locally. One are the terms for professionals for our family. Can you take a look at that for me?

SPEAKER_01 7:38

The terms for professionals. Our Family Wizard website site says a mobile application app together, software, and operated by our family wizard. We, us, or our.

SPEAKER_03 7:50

That's the legal professionals contract. The attorneys have a different contract than users. Now, let me show you a couple of key provisions there. Services, fees, and agreements. A professional account can purchase coupons to give to their clients. If you are a professional, you can move people onto these apps so that you can build more money. And you can pay the company for coupons to get people onto the social media company. It's right here in the terms.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

I'm gonna take this thing down.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Yeah, it's right here in the terms. They admit it. Okay. You may purchase parent account coupons in volume from us at a discount to the parent account subscription prices. So the attorneys are paying the company that the judge is ordering you to use. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 8:56

Not to mention it's very it's like a hundred dollars a year.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Now let's go into the next portion. They're all using artificial intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

They are.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

This is their artificial intelligence disclaimer.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Don't they scan what you're saying? I haven't been on one for two years now or a year now because my kids are taken, but I used to be on all the time. Um so you they're either because they scan what you say and they usually tell you if it's mean or not.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

Yeah, yeah. They are using, and and this is how you get flagged as high conflict is by the artificial intelligence.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Hmm. You know, you just open my mind up to the data this company has.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah. And you have to buy more data. A family generates an enormous amount of data. And historically, that data was free. We met in person. In certain circumstances where there was a risk situation or a legitimate physical safety risk, people would meet at the police department under the cameras of the police department. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

And my ex and I, we before this all came out, we had like our own emails just to about the kids. So it was just mine and his, and that that's we communicated just through that.

SPEAKER_03 10:05

And it was free. Right. Now you got to buy their data. Now you're being ordered by a judge to buy their data. And remember the Luzerne County Court, the judge had a financial relationship with the company that he was ordering children to get paid by. Okay. Now look at this. This is a message I came into uh possession of. Look what the AI did.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

OFW, which is One Family Wizard, is a flawed and dangerous social media application that drives up division and artificially inflates legal fees and vitriol? What is that?

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Vitriol.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Vitriol?

SPEAKER_03 10:46

What is that? Vitriol. Vitriol is just, you know, hate, division, anger. I mean, the the text I sent you, somebody could look at that who doesn't know us, didn't see our interaction, and think, well, my gosh, he's calling her a scoundrel and threatening to eat her chickens. But we're in the studio, we're laughing. Right. OFW flags it as negative. And the family court professionals can flag it as negative. Right. Well, look what it did to that message. Negative. The artificial and the artificial intelligence flags any criticism of itself. So if you criticize these apps.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

You're making me you're making me really angry.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

These apps will label you as high conflict. And once you are labeled as high conflict, you're the problem.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Bing, bing, bing. Money, money, money.

SPEAKER_03 11:43

Once you start to call attention to fraud, you are labeled as high conflict by a robot and a company with a financial conflict of interest.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

And did you guys know that they um One Family Wizard actually sponsors at the AFCC. They have ads in there, they sponsor it to convince all to make all the attorneys and judges and therapists meet together. They're a part of it.

SPEAKER_03 12:12

Yes. And they're all wires. 100% bottom-to-top wires. You'll never get a piece of paper from this company. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:21

Well, Chase, this kind of blows my mind because we get in trouble. We can't put anything on social media. Well, I guess we are. We can't put anything on Facebook or anything, but yet we're putting it on social media already. So technically, it says that you can't put anything on social media, but we are putting it on social media.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Let me show you something, okay? See this?

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Welcome to the profession spring 2026. Congratulations to the 70 individuals who passed the February 20 2026 bar exam in Missouri and have completed all other requirements under Rule 8 for emissions in the Missouri Bar.

SPEAKER_03 12:58

All of those names on that list have yet to be poisoned.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

That's an idea.

SPEAKER_03 13:05

All those people are fresh lawyers. And what you can do for a relative pittance, some of these family court uh cases are into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. You go find one of these people fresh from law school, you say, here's the fraud that I think is going on. You give them a few thousand dollars, which will probably cover their apartment for the next three months, and they go and put together something brilliant. Because that's what we do at law schools. We try and teach people to be brilliant and to take on blatant problems in our judicial system.

SPEAKER_01 13:42

Not to mention convincing these new attorneys to come in and giving them a lot more clients and all of a sudden pushing out the old ones that are abusing the system.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

Right. That's historically how it works is the newer generation comes in, and if there's people who are abusing the system, the new generation takes their client base, drives them out. People who are fed up with the system as it is can hire fresh lawyers with fresh bar licenses, with a fresh point of view, some of them victims of the fraudulent system themselves.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

You blow my mind. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

Okay. Look, I've got talking parents here too. I want you to look at how thick these are. Okay. Do these look like thin waivers and terms and agreements and fees for these two social media companies? No. No, these are thick. Why? Because people are being injured. And they want to limit their liability.

SPEAKER_01 14:49

I'm gonna have to read that. Because could we report on them?

SPEAKER_03 14:54

So yeah, absolutely. I showed you the case uh involving uh judges Sia Varella and Conahan. Right. Those were companies, um Pennsylvania Childcare LLC, those were companies that those uh lawyers and those judges had relationships with. Follow the money. You've got an order from a court ordering parents to use these companies, and now you have terms and agreements showing that the lawyers are paying these companies for their services, and you've got national conventions sponsored by these companies. And you've got thousands upon thousands upon thousands of victims saying we are the victims of fraud, and they're social media companies.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

So I need to put on my on our I need to put on our survey the if if you're mandated to to talk through Family Wizard, right? Because that data. A parenting portal. Yeah. So I'm gonna update our survey to show that because then we can see how many parents in each state have to use the social media portal, and then we can show that that would be great for the states to see and for the FBI to see. So I'm gonna update the survey. So all you have to do is go back into the survey, and you're just gonna click update my survey, and you're gonna go to that question, answer it. And then I'm also probably gonna put an option what it is, or maybe I don't know, I'm just trying to see the thing. But yes, so please go update your survey right now and go and tell us if the court has mandated you use an app or a social media company.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now, here's why we know those apps are dangerous, okay? Which we know what Meta is Facebook, Instagram. The New Mexico Department of Justice filed suit against Meta for injuries to children. Now, this is the flagship social media company, okay? Look at how thick the complaint is. Wow. This is the complaint that was filed by the New Mexico Department of Justice and their attorney general against this social media company.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

This was just this um March.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

It is 224 pages long.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

So it's still in. They're suing them.

SPEAKER_03 17:39

No, that's the jury verdict.

SPEAKER_01 17:40

This is a jury verdict?

SPEAKER_03 17:41

This is the jury verdict. So look here. They got found liable for 37,500 willful violations of the Unfair or Deceptive Trade Practices Act.

SPEAKER_01 18:00

37, not money, 37 violations. 37,500 violations.

SPEAKER_03 18:07

And each violation had a potential value of between zero and five thousand dollars, and they awarded all thirty-seven thousand five hundred violations with the maximum fine allowed, five thousand per. Holy moly. That's a lot of money.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

Yeah. Whatever that is.

SPEAKER_03 18:26

Do you know what this proves?

SPEAKER_01 18:28

What?

SPEAKER_03 18:29

All these victims of family court may be if maybe able to go after these social media companies for what they've done.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

And so what you're saying is people can go and tell your law enforcement because this was a that's the Department of Justice for New Mexico went after them after seeing all of the stuff they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 18:52

The families, the victims, complained so much to law enforcement and to the attorney general's office that the attorney general's office filed a landmark complaint seeking to hold them liable for the injuries to children. And they did. They successfully did it. Wow, this is so cool. And so if you are a victim anywhere in the country and your life was absolutely turned upside down by lawyers with inappropriate financial lawyers or judges or therapists or psychologists with inappropriate financial relationships with a social media company, you could potentially big win big.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

This is pretty cool. Can people find this on our on your own? Can we put this up there?

SPEAKER_03 19:38

I'm providing that to you. I'll give you all of my research. This is in our fraud research file. Because this is really cool to look at. The thing about social media companies is that they're not confronted with the damage they cause. Okay. Right. These companies that are running these apps, they advertise that they're helping families, that they're cutting down on division. There's no evidence of that. There's zero evidence of that. And so in this particular circumstance, the attorney general filed this complaint. Meta fought it all the way to trial. Said, look, we didn't do any of this. We're not liable. We're not liable. We're not doing anything wrong. And a jury came back and said, Yes, you are. You're doing exactly what he keeps what the attorney general's office accused you of doing, and we're going to hold you liable for it.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

So who got who got the money? Did everyone that complained that they did this too?

SPEAKER_03 20:28

They still haven't got the money yet because uh Meta has tried to appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court rejected it.

SPEAKER_01 20:36

What is that on my phone? What is 37,500 times 5,000?

SPEAKER_03 20:40

Oh, gosh.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

To get your phone out. Your phone's right. Oh, there you go. I have an iPad.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Make me math. That is 187.5 million dollars. With interest.

SPEAKER_01 20:53

With interest?

SPEAKER_03 20:54

It's accruing interest.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

And who gets the who gets the money?

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Well, it'd be disseminated to the victims.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

That that filed the report, okay, for violations.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

Some of these kids killed themselves.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

They destroyed their entire lives. So that's that's the trend in the law right now, is you have companies standing up portals, and what they basically do is say, look, um, we can't be held liable for what you do with our portal. We offer a portal, we market our portal, we advertise our portal, we sponsor, you know, uh conferences, and we allow people with vested financial interests to get our portal and pay for our portal, but we're not responsible for what you do with our portal system.

SPEAKER_01 21:39

So it changes into the fact that we're mandated to use these family portals.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

And they're basically brand new companies. Okay. They didn't exist that long ago.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

No, when I first started in 2013, when I first started going through divorce, there was one that we may use just for a little, but it wasn't Family Wizard, it wasn't something weird. Um so you It would be a way for us to tell the report.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

This is Judge Connor coming out of the out of his indictment and out of his federal war. None of it could have worked without Judge Connor. The cash for his handle that's like was entirely reliant on his road. He just couldn't complete ignorance because of the all the evidence was there. Okay? They couldn't sit back in their office and develop zero relationships with anybody, including their clients. Without these applications, it wouldn't be possible. They'd have to drive places, schedule appointments, have conferences. Right. They have to do real work. So these um people only their jobs only exist because of these. Right. Now let's look at our our attorneys here.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

But how are we report? How do we tell this in the thing? So you're saying that then I'm trying to so everyone understands this too. I don't even understand it. So then you write a say this GL did this, never saw them in person, never did this, talked through about with one from a wizard, and then you write that down.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

So basically, when I've showed you how to audit the bills, what you look for is the words talking parents or OFW in the bills.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

So let's say, okay, so if the attorney emailed about it, about the thing. If the if the attorney said you need to use this, why haven't you used this, or I'm billing you for I went and looked at it, that would be a part of what you put in. Right. Okay. Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 24:32

If you were having confidential communications, okay, with your with your significant other or anybody. I mean, if there was a a text exchange, I could say, Meg, you you dirty scoundrel, I want to eat your chickens and I want to make it online, right? And no one's other than me and you, that doesn't cost any money, and we can get that out. All right? We can laugh about it, we can beat up later if we so choose. It's free. But these companies, these social media companies, because the communications are compromised, a whole team of people can bill on it, and that's when you can get the real criminals involved.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

So how how is it when a judge mandates it though? How does it I mean, isn't aren't they covered because the judge made them do it?

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Well, let me show you this, okay? You take mom's attorney, this is dad's attorney, okay? We know Cersei Lannister and Robert Baratheon are a big hot mess. Okay? We've seen the shows, they were up to a lot. Nevertheless, under our constitution, they get a reasonably priced divorce, they get reasonably long divorce, and a reasonably non-vitriolic divorce. They get in short, it can only cost so much, it can only take so long, it can only be so bad and be due process. Even though they're hot messes. But that's where you find people like this. Okay? Saul Goodman, he's a terribly unethical attorney. He commits crimes. Billy Flynn, he specializes in helping women who have murdered their husbands portray themselves as something else. That's where they take false information in these portal systems and pump it up. Pump up something that should be a two into a three. Okay? They build to email each other, they build to forward the communications to the psychologist, to the therapist, to the judge. Okay? There's what occurred, and there's how bad it becomes because it starts floating around social media. And that's what the Attorney General of New Mexico tried to illustrate is that social media is a tool that can be terribly misused, and social media companies have a vested financial interest in their products being misused. Wow. Yeah. If this didn't make anybody money, they wouldn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

That's insane.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Let's talk about our good court-ordered psychologist. Yeah. Okay? Dr. Lecter has an absolutely pristine resume. Okay? Went to uh, I believe Harvard, if I remember the books correctly, and had a thriving medical practice, was considered, had been published, had been considered top of the scheme. There's a reason that the FBI consults with Dr. Lecter. And so Dr. Lecter is going to review all these social media posts. In fact, Saul Goodman and Billy Flynn, they're relying on it. They're sending copies of the social media posts, the court-ordered social media posts, to Dr. Lecter, and Dr. Lecter is rendering opinions based on social media posts. And in order to refute Dr. Lecter's opinion, you have to hire a counter-expert to come in and look at the same social media posts and render an opposing opinion. And so what it does is it artificially inflates leap rates. So that's why I go back to law enforcement. We introduced our friendly neighborhood law enforcement officer, right? There's no legacy organization dedicated to this type of legal fraud. Part of the reason that this can happen is because it's not like a long-standing gang unit that has its finger on the pulse. This is new. And so where you're going to find a disparity is law enforcement is going to miss an issue. The law enforcement officers who choose to continue to miss are going to stand out to the ones who start to pick up that this is a brand new scheme, that these are brand new bad actors, that this is a brand new type of crime that they make their message.

SPEAKER_00 29:15

My brain is just like going a mile a minute thinking about just in my own case.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

People all over the country are just hopping up and down mad. Both the people who won their case and the people who lost their case are united in the fact that it took too long, it cost too much, and it was way too much anger and division. Yeah. And that's something that the parties can agree on, is that nobody really wanted. So I'm going to take you back to our new virtual order. These are all arising out of judicial orders. Okay, the legislature didn't pass a mandatory law mandating patient for uh parent orders. These are judges using their discretion. Okay, right. So from an appellate standpoint, we need to be arguing abuse of judicial discretion, judicial error, we need to be looking for financial conflicts of interest. More importantly, if there are financial conflicts of interest, let's say we can prove a single penny went to a judge in any form or fashion from one of these things that resulted in a ruling, that district is going to face years of litigation. Because as I said, lawyers are cannibalistic. If we smell millions of dollars and a lawyer or a judge who has violated the law, then somebody will go after that.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

So what if she is in court and all of a sudden the judge cancels her trial because she didn't pay GAL fees? Wouldn't that be classified as a violation?

SPEAKER_03 31:15

Um I think there's a motion that they file. Um I want to say it was it's called a staples motion. I could be wrong. Um but long story short, there's a there's a case there's case law out there that says if the GAO is appointed and you don't pay them, then the court can retaliate by striking your answer.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Right. But it's like like there's even people going to jail right now because they didn't couldn't afford to pay the attorney fees.

SPEAKER_02 31:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

And so how is that I mean, you don't even go to jail for not paying your credit card, your bankruptcy, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:51

So you raise a really interesting constitutional question. Right. How much of this is an unconstitutional detention? Right. You're being ordered to go into a portal system and log everything in a portal system, and you have people being ordered to go to these therapy companies, and then being ordered to go to these supervision companies, right? And they've committed no crime. Right. So that raises Eighth Amendment questions in my mind.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

Correct. And that's there was a reel I just posted the other day that can literally take everything, look into every aspect of your life, even take your DNA, and have all this when you haven't even committed one crime.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

So family court has a lot of challenges, and that's why family court is so absolutely difficult to practice it. Okay. Let's talk, let's talk about Cersei Lannister. Cersei Lannister, by all accounts, is a psychopath. I mean, she um has murdered countless people or had countless people murdered. Conspiracy to commit rape, that's something that she did. She cooperated with people to commit a horrific crime. The crimes that she has committed are terrible. And so, from a family court perspective, um, she is a risk. They need to have the discretion, the tools at their disposal to protect um the co-parent, the children, and society. Now, with that being said, Circe gets due process. They've got to go through and but she didn't get due process. She's got to get due.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

She had to pay the rhinification therapist, she had to pay another therapist, she had to go with psych evaluations, she had to get drug tests, hedge uh hair tested, everything, and still did not get any trial.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

So that can be a constitutional issue.

SPEAKER_01 33:51

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Because in the Bill of Rights for nearly every single state that I'm aware of, I haven't read of the Bill of Rights for every single state, but states have their own constitution. Right. I know Kansas, you have a constitutional right to a jury trial.

SPEAKER_00 34:07

Right.

SPEAKER_03 34:07

You have a and and and federally you have a right to a trial. Okay. So these are constitutional questions.

SPEAKER_01 34:14

Who who watches over the constitution?

SPEAKER_03 34:16

Lawyers are supposed to.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

But who man who makes sure it's happening?

SPEAKER_03 34:20

Well, there's the problem. We have a system of checks and balances.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Do we have don't we have an organization like the FBI that, or it's not the FBI, of course, but it it would say monitor the Constitution. So you have a task force to make sure our agencies, our people, are following the Constitution.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

So there's there's several different avenues. Number one, hiring lawyers. All right, there's no way to combat a lawyer other than a lawyer. All right. But number two, there's bar associations for ethical issues. There's law enforcement investigation, law enforcement agencies to investigate municipal, state, and federal crimes. Um, and then there's the court of appeals. Now, what I find interesting is sometimes lawyers will not perfect things for the Court of Appeals because they don't want people to look into them. So, for instance, I I'm kind of a hard charger in criminal court, okay? Um, I will file a motion and I will not generally hesitate to call attention to even the slightest legitimate violation of my client's rights. I don't care what kind of crime my client is accused of, I will not hesitate to file a motion if I think that their constitutional rights are being violated. And what I'm seeing in some of the cases that are referred to me are people who are pulling punches. They're not filing motions, they're not perfecting objections at the trial court level, and what that does is that deprives the Court of Appeals from the ability to weigh in. So you go to the Court of Appeals and you say this is terribly unconstitutional, what was done to me. And the Court of Appeals says, Well, I'm sorry, but your trial lawyer did not raise that issue at the district court level. We can't do anything for you. Okay. So for from a uh appellate standpoint, you gotta get it on file in the trial court. And if your lawyer is unwilling to file it, shot.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Right. And I think that's one thing people don't realize when you go to appellate court, they only look at what was filed in the lower court in your in your family court. So if it wasn't filed in, then they can't look at it.

SPEAKER_03 36:53

Right. But this is a good segue into what you really want to know. Okay. Meg, I want you to take a look at this. I I made this especially for public dissemination.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Oh, yeah, you made this? Okay, so I don't know if you guys know what a memorandum is. And a memorandum is just like facts of the law, correct? It's like Sean.

SPEAKER_03 37:13

Yeah, I'm writing what the law is to do, and that's my position, and I'm sticking to it.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Mm-hmm. Okay. So he wrote one about social media.

SPEAKER_03 37:21

So look, Meg, here's what I want to talk about, right? Wires. We've been talking over and over again about wires, wire fraud, conspiracy commitment, wire fraud, racketeering based on conspiracy committed wire fraud. So much of the law is now based entirely on wires because of these virtual court orders. People's entire understanding of reality is based on whatever they saw on their smartphone last. Right. And what that does is it can make people believe things that are a hundred percent bogus, and in some cases, lawyers bank on that. A legal memorandum is supposed to be a written document that pounces a person on the law. So many of these families have dumped $50,000, $100,000 into their cases, and what have they got for it? A series of text messages, calls, emails, and video conferences. And no written documentation explaining what the law is, where the law stems from, where the law is going, and an opinion on the law. That's a legal memo.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Okay, so we are building, as Sean's been teaching us, we are building up a way for you to learn the kit. It's called the legal federal kit that we're putting together. And we haven't decided exactly how to do it, but Sean and I are trying to work on a way for you to be able to take this information and put it with your own cases so you can write up your own um complaint to file. And so this is another one. So now I have one and two. Um, and I haven't we haven't shared the other mandarandum yet. Um, but I did I did put together my federal complaint with his mandarandum. Um, and so this is a new one about the social media. And so subscribe. We'll start posting more. We're gonna talk about it more on our live within our subscriptions within TikTok, Facebook, and Instagram. Um, and then also we're still learning and generating a way for you guys to be able to do this yourselves. Um, and also for us to be able to stay alive because this costs a lot of money to keep this all alive. This is so exciting.

SPEAKER_03 39:46

Now you remember our presidentially declared emergency.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

Okay, well, this can trigger heightened repercussions for wirefall. All right, and then also November 16, 2020, our new virtual courts with our virtual lawyers and our virtual doctors and our virtual therapists. Okay? This is a memo on how social media has been incorporated. So, social media is forms of electronic communication such as websites for social networking and microblogging, through which users create online communities to share information, ideas, personal messages, and other content such as videos. There is nothing in there about that information having to be public to meet the definition of social media. So, legal social media. Your lawyers are using social media. Cleo, my kicks, checkbox, care, lexis access, ops, and rulers. Whenever you log into your lawyers' social or uh legal case software to upload information, you're participating in legal social media. As we've learned, the stuff that floats around social media, they're not verifying it's true or accurate. And what that means is it raises the risk of legal error. Especially when you've got people like Circe and Robert Baratheon who are motivated to go at each other, and people like the attorneys in our case, who are financially motivated to let them go after each other because it raises their own fees. Now, there's no evidence that these software companies are trying to detract or reduce legal fees, it's all about increasing legal fees, their subscription services. Let's talk about teledoctors. Everyone has passed the telemedicine balance, and so now you can put information into the parenting app. And you can put information into your lawyer's social media database, and your lawyer can file information with the court's e-filing system, have a video conference based on all this, and a teledoctor can render an opinion based on all of that. Telecourt courts, uh, legal social media. So the courts are using social media. Our e-filing systems are social media. Okay? You have lawyers who are able to file from just about anywhere. They can log in, they can post information. Whether that information is true or accurate, it is subject to interpretation. Usually we're there because somebody's filing false information and we need a trial to sort it out. So the courts are operating social media. Let's talk about our teleprosecutors. Prosecutors' offices are using social media. You have remote working prosecutors. They're not in the office. Their paralegals are not in the office, their assistants are not in the office. They have case management software, and they're not interacting with the police. They're just sitting back in their little apartment, looking at their email inbox, e-filing things based on people they don't know, things they don't know, things they don't see. Now let's talk about telesocial workers, DCF, uh, Missouri's Children's Division. They're a mix of legal and medical situation. So they're filing stuff in the e-filing for the courts. They're going to the courts' video conferences, they're participating in the Microsoft meat things, but they're also interacting with telemedicine companies, these hospitals, these children's companies. Okay? They're getting a mix of social media from law and from medicine. Wow. And then you have the telepolice, which is what it sounds like. Remote working police. They're not interviewing witnesses in person, they're not verifying facts, they're taking things at face value. They look at evidence.com and max line.com. They formulate an opinion, they make a few calls, and they file the case. Now here's something interesting about Kansas. Kansas just passed a video preliminary hearing statute. And so now you can sit on your couch and you can provide probable cause for a felony in a video court, thanks to the new video law in Kansas. And then there's finally school social media. A lot of the stuff that's in our legal uh social media companies comes from school social media companies. So, you know, your average parent, they go through the family court process, and now they have the login information for something like 15 different portals, a mixture of education, administrative, medical, and legal portals, and that's what drives up the legal fees. Because somebody, sometimes both parents, sometimes lawyers, sometimes doctors, is filing false information, and it is so much easier and faster to spread false information than it is to rebut false information. And so with that, my no mic! Thank you for watching with the