Episode 22: Porn: Tool or Taboo? Let’s Talk About It.

Porn is one of the most downloaded, debated, and judged topics out there. So of course, we’re diving all the way in. Is porn empowering? Harmful? Can it actually enhance your sex life—or wreck it?

In this juicy episode, we talk about:

• Porn as a fantasy tool vs. real-life intimacy
• The surprising stats behind who’s watching (and how early it starts)
• The pros, the cons, and the gray areas no one wants to admit
• The impact on relationships, youth, and sexual expectations
• Setting boundaries, navigating conflict, and using porn without shame
  
  

We’re breaking it all down—without filters and without judgment. If you’ve ever watched it, wondered about it, or argued about it…this one's for you.

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Coralie: [00:00:00] All right. Brunch babes. We are diving into one of the most downloaded and debated topics out there, porn. Is it empowering? Is it harmful? Can it actually help your sex life? Today, we're gonna break it all down. The good, the bad, and how to use it without it using you.

Vicki: And whether you're in a relationship, you're single and exploring, or if you're raising kids in a world where porn is everywhere, we've got something for everyone today.

Amber: Plus we've got stats, studies, personal experiences, and of course the real talk. Let's serve it on up.

Coralie: Welcome to Not Safe for Brunch. In this podcast, we're here to bring sex insight and real world education to the table unapologetically. Think about it as having those important, unfiltered brunch conversations with [00:01:00] your closest friends about sex relationships and everything in between. With over 55 years of experience combined in the intimacy industry, helping individuals and couples focus on breaking down barriers.

Reducing shame and empowering people to embrace their desires and relationships with confidence. Hi, I'm Coralie. I live in the Vancouver area. I'm a married mama, two half empty nesting, one in one out, and my secret power is I love a good rabbit hole. I love digging deep and finding the truth or the root cause of a situation.

Amber: And I'm Amber. I live in Ontario. I'm married. I'm a mom and a gma. And an unapologetic quality of mine is I weed through the fluff, and I get to the point. 

Vicki: I love it. I am Vicki. I'm in Manitoba. I'm divorced, and I'm reentering the relationship space. I'm a mom to two grownups and my magic is making meaningful connections and relationship, which of [00:02:00] course creates trust.

Amber: All right, let's dive into it. The porn landscape. What are we really dealing with? And I wanted to share some stats today. So PornHub reported over 130 million daily visits in 2023. That's a lot of daily visits. Daily. That's not like all year.

Vicki: Wow.

Amber: the average age of first exposure to porn is now around 11 years old, according to Children's Commissioner UK 11.

Vicki: Yeah. Yes, I concur.

Coralie: I mean, when I was 11, the only porn I was watching is if I was out of friend's who had satellite dishes, and you'd get on that one scrambled channel and you'd be trying to make it out.

Amber: I don't think I was that young, but, uh, Blue Nuit there on the French channel. Did you guys have that?

Vicki: No. Uh, I had my dad's hustler. I had my dad's hustler. I didn't have tv. Whatcha talking about? You [00:03:00] guys are talking about a video you watched. I know. We literally sat around the tether ball pole flipping, flipping through my dad's old hustler. I had to make sure I had to get it back to where it belonged before you had to go to the bathroom again.

Coralie: I, I did the same thing. Um. But I sold them for $5 each.

Vicki: Good job. You were always an entrepreneur

Coralie: that was, that was grade seven.

Amber: And then, and then this last stat that we have here is over 70% of men and nearly 40% of women watch porn monthly. to intuition of family studies,

That sounds about right, like I'm not shocked by those numbers.

Vicki: No, not at all.

Coralie: an interesting stat that I saw that I haven't fact checked, but it stayed in my head 'cause I do wanna fact check this, is that there are about 1 million women using OnlyFans as like being a cam girl on OnlyFans in the United States, but [00:04:00] there's 80 million men signed up to watch.

Amber: So there's still a piece of the pie. Let's go. I got feet.

Vicki: Uh, people like.

Coralie: I think it's just funny because people put so much shame on porn when there's so many people that participate in it, and especially too for the people who are the stars of the show, particularly for the women who are stars of the show, they get put into a different category than the men who are in the shows or than even the people who watch, right?

Vicki: Yeah. Yeah.

Coralie: it's all the same.

Vicki: Women are always looked upon as slutty or, like it's shameful, uh, but men are studs. Yeah. We gotta switch that around.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: ever change? I just don't know

Vicki: I don't think so because I think that there's a [00:05:00] fantasy around some of that verbiage for men specifically to call a woman slutty or,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: I think that there's. And don't get me wrong, I don't think that, I think that there's a place for all of those words in our lives. Like they work in different areas,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: I just think that when it's used in a derogative way like that, it concerns me, but I don't think that it's going away. Absolutely not. I think we need to own it.

Coralie: Mm-hmm. Well, and I think some women too find that to be a turn on, they want to be, called names like that in bed, and that's totally okay too it's not derogatory if it's part of the, if it's part of the plan, if you're doing it and you're having fun together. And I love too, how.

Everyone takes words like that and takes the power back, like, you're such a slut and it's a compliment, I just love, I love when that happens. I mean, I love the word cunt. So good.

Vicki: I.

Coralie: I love that the kids are now saying she's serving cunt, like, and it's, it's [00:06:00] positive.

Vicki: it means nothing in England. I mean, it means something, but it doesn't mean what it means here. So I love that. We're we are, we're taking it back. I agree. I think that if we give negative words, power,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: to ourselves, for ourselves, , I'm down. I can play that game.

Coralie: So let's talk about different types of porn, because there's mainstream porn. I mean, everyone knows about PornHub. There's all sorts of little backend porn sites, or backend, no pun intended,

Vicki: Or

Coralie: but there's a bunch of smaller, I guess, small boutique porn sites. I dunno what the word would be. There's OnlyFans, there's, sites that are focused on, more kink centered.

There's gay porn, straight porn. I mean, there's everything out there. There's homemade porn. There's high end porn.

Vicki: Yeah.

Coralie: There's something for everyone.

Vicki: directed, um, specifically for women.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: because there are different things that get us going than than men. So watching the same kind of porn all the time isn't necessarily [00:07:00] working for both people. So I love that there's female directed pornography. 

Coralie: There's more. Porn looking to please the woman's eye, you know? 'cause I find a long time ago, I mean, we've been in this industry for a long time.

I've heard countless women say, I'm straight, but I prefer to watch lesbian porn. And I think that's because the women are treated better. It's not derogatory. I. I've had thousands of conversations with women, and I'm not saying this doesn't exist. I know it does, but not one person has said to me, I want come all over my face.

You know, that's the sort of stuff that is for the man's eye, not the women's eye. And what I like about the way porn is evolving is now a lot of those same clients are saying, yeah, I do watch more, porn with a man and a woman together because it's so much more erotic and sensual, and.

Appealing to the woman's eye.

Vicki: I agree. And you know, here's the other thing with porn now. Of course is we're not just [00:08:00] talking about we have to sneak in that VHS tape when our parents are out for dinner and hope that they don't get home before we get a chance to yank it out. And then sometimes it would get stuck. I don't know that for, that's not personal, but, um, but we're talking about 24 7 access on our bodies at all time.

We've got this phone in our hands and it is telling us a constant story. Right. Um, and I just think that, that accessibility. Especially for our children. We talked about it, it was 11 ish was the mean age that they were introduced. Well, I can guarantee you it's now, it's not their dad's hustler. their phone. 

Coralie: Absolutely. And it's gone from, passive watching of porn to now there's a lot of interactive porn. There's live streams, there's custom content, there's, fan submission. And I actually really love that. Like, that's what a lot of the, only fans people are doing. They're sort of building this, um, I don't wanna say relationship, I guess it would be [00:09:00] like a parasocial relationship, I guess, where, the person who's watching is gonna get what they want. I mean, there's a price attached to it, you know, but it's a lot more custom where people can just say, this is what I like, this is what I want, and they're gonna get it.

They could pay for it, you know? I mean, you might be able to search for hours and find it for free, but if you found someone that turned you on.

Amber: Yeah, let's talk. And when porn is a tool and not taboo, right? Because there is good to porn.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: talk

Coralie: Absolutely.

Amber: the negatives as well, but the pros for a relationship is it really does open up dialogue about fantasy and desires, right? When you're watching something with your partner, oh, I, let's try

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: right? Offers that inspiration or ideas to spice things up.

Vicki: get experimental. It's one of the reasons why I often will share, our website and say, sit down with your partners. Sometimes this is the best bedtime reading you're ever gonna do is flip through our catalog, take a peek at what we have to offer, and then discuss with one another. Would that be something that [00:10:00] would interest you? Right, because now you're having conversation, why not? I love it. And like you said, it can be, inspirational, but can also be a bonding experience when you're using it together. I, I think you're right., It can create a collaborative, um, scene, right?

Something you can go, I like this about it. I didn't like that. Now you're having that conversation then you move it into motion.

Coralie: Mm-hmm. Or you can play like, let's copy the show.

Amber: Pause. Let's try

Coralie: Yeah.

Amber: No, there are pros for individuals as well. Especially young adults, right? So it helps explore identity orientation and preferences where, you kind of start to see like, oh, maybe I might like that, or, you never even knew something existed and you're like, Ooh, it intrigues you. And it provides visual learning and context when pairing with real sex education. And, it may reduce risk with, risky sexual behavior in some studies.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: I think that learning to do [00:11:00] things safely when it comes to sex is something that's really, really integral when it comes to young adults. I, I, I just, I hope that we can make sure that they're feeling educated and, and they come across as content anyway. There should be some responsibility for making sure that we're, I love it when I see porn and they're using condoms. I don't know why that just gets me all riled up because I just think that, I think that there are so many people that are young people who are having, non-protected sex, and I think that's really super dangerous.

And I love when sort of mentored. It's silent, it's kind of simple. But it's there and it's prevalent enough that it makes a. A mark.

Coralie: I think also too, whether it's, an individual or couples, this society that we're in has always. Made sex a taboo topic, and I don't think porn would be nearly as popular if sex was never taboo, right? So sometimes, especially in certain cultures, they are, or you know, religions, whatever.

There's no sex [00:12:00] conversation ever. And what happens when no one's gonna have those real conversations with you? You get curious. You try and find the porn on the scrambled satellite channel. You bring your parents porn magazines to school and sell them like when no one's giving you the answers you want, you're gonna go find them.

And I think that porn can be a great answer. Great way to get those answers a lot of the time. And it's just, I think the amount that people use porn is just a byproduct of how taboo sex is and why is it taboo? Like why is it taboo? And orgasm is the best way you can feel without doing drugs.

 Like we're all focused on don't do drugs. Don't do drugs. We should be like orgasm. Just kidding. Like

Vicki: you're right though. I think you're right. I think we should be, talking about masturbating more. I think that it also is good for our mental health. I think that it's good for, for so many other things, but, you know, we also wanna be, conscious of the fact that, we can't just. Utilize porn.

We need to also have a life. So that would be only line that I [00:13:00] would wanna make sure is in the sand. But

All right, let's talk about the bad when porn becomes a problem. So, cons for relationships starts with, unrealistic expectations around bodies. Stamina or consent, that's for sure,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: can lead to secrecy, mistrust, or performance pressure and overuse may desensitize individuals to real intimacy. So let's break that down a little bit.

Amber: The secrecy and the mistrust I think are the big ones that a lot of people generally deal with. I don't necessarily think it's bad to watch porn alone. Um, I'm not necessarily, like if I were me, I'm not necessarily saying to my husband, Hey, I guess what I did today. Do you know what I mean?

But like. If it came up in your history, I wouldn't be too concerned about it unless you're constantly catching them doing it.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: I mean, I just call it r and d. We're in the BI had RD, sorry.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: But [00:14:00] that can be an issue. I've had clients and friends ask me or say things like, you know, they watch, they're just watching porn all the time. They're always on PornHub. That's all I'm seeing on their history. And

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: it can be an issue. And I think that you have to really talk to your partner and have that communication and maybe find out like, why, like, is it something we're not doing?

Like should we do doing something different or. Cool. We're still good, but you still wanna watch that. Cool. You know? But I think that has to be a conversation.

Coralie: Yeah, I think as long as, I mean, first of all, every couple is going to have their own boundaries, right?

Vicki: I wanna talk about the unrealistic expectations around body stamina and consent. First of all, we is number one. I

Coralie: Always.

Vicki: of the most important things that, we have autonomy of. But the unrealistic expectations. I think that especially when we're younger, we see things that we maybe haven't physically experienced ourselves yet, and we just make these assumptions that that's what that looks like.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: And just because we see it on a screen [00:15:00] does not necessarily mean that we wanna recreate it as human beings. It might mean we wanna dip our toe into that action. We might want to, sort of tease that action. But, it might not necessarily be something that we wanna do, which again, the conversation is definitely the sexiest part.

And I believe I've heard Amber say it before, you wanna talk about it outside of the bedroom. And then get to business inside the bedroom later. Right. So have the conversation so that the expectations are realistic, and that you're not being expected or expecting somebody else to do something that is outside of their comfort zone.

Because just 'cause we watch it and enjoy watching it does not necessarily mean we need to experience it in that way.

Coralie: I think some of the other, expectations that people get from porn is I. How long someone lasts in bed, specifically a man, and I watched this documentary, I can't even remember what the documentary was, and this was at least 15 years ago. But it was a, about porn in general. And one thing that I still [00:16:00] remember from it is that when they are choosing the actresses, it's, you know, based on appearance, how she looks, how she looks on camera when they're choosing the men, it's.

How quickly can he get hard again after finishing because they need someone that's gonna be able to bounce back. You might have to do that 12, 13 times that day. I. A lot of times they don't cut that out, right? They don't cut out that he, he climaxed 50 million times. They just give you the one big show at the end, and that then sets an unrealistic expectation for the men on how long they're supposed to last and for the women on how long they think their partner would last.

I mean, and that doesn't even go into the two liter bottles that are gushing out fluid from women. I mean, porn's not real, right? It's.

Vicki: Porn is fantasy, not reality. I think you're absolutely right there. Yeah.

Coralie: Yeah, and I mean mm-hmm. And I don't ever fantasize about a [00:17:00] 12 hours of intercourse.

One thing that should be acknowledged is, especially if you're doing it in a missionary position, is how much more work the man is doing.

Vicki: Yeah, for sure.

Coralie: last 12 hours. I mean, not even the penis. Let's talk about the abs.

Amber: Yeah.

Vicki: Absolutely. As well as in porn, so often the women are so theatrical. of us don't require that much movement. We just need the right movement. So it's going to look different. When we take that and we bring it in here, it's gonna look different. It's going to feel way better for us. And we'll play with the. Other stuff, you know, because that's visually appealing to a partner. Yeah, I'll do some of that. That makes you happy. Sure. Like

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: makes me happy and that makes you happy. And we'll just incorporate, it's fine.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: Everybody wins.

Coralie: Let's talk about some of the cons for youth or young adults with porn. [00:18:00] Sometimes it can be used in place of real sex education and we know sex education is so much more than just watching porn. It can skew the understanding of consent, pleasure, and healthy communication. We really need to make sure that everyone fully understands all three of those things when they are becoming sexually active and as they grow.

it can feel body image issues or anxiety. We've always known how much pressure women face for how they appear. Men face that a lot too now, especially more so now than ever before. And they might look at someone that's in one of those films and think that's ideal when it's not.

And it can normalize aggression or lack of emotional connection. I mean, I've never ordered a pizza and had sex with the guy delivering it. Sorry.

Amber: Or the milkman or

Vicki: one time that FedEx guy was really hot, but just.

Coralie: I mean, like how many times has there been a joke made when you're out with a group of friends and [00:19:00] co-ed group and someone talks about, the women having a pillow fight, like because porn.

Amber: yeah, it, yeah.

Vicki: That doesn't happen, guys. I'm sorry.

Amber: not reality.

Coralie: Yeah. Oh. We let, our men in our group here, we let them think it. They're like, whatcha guys doing? We're gonna have pillow fights. Our lingerie. That's what we say.

Vicki: Yeah, that's what a girl's weekend looks like.

Coralie: Yeah.

Vicki: yeah, think that especially for our young people, sex education in the schools are not as robust as they could be, should be. So I think that it does certainly replace that, but I don't think that as parents or as people in their lives that we shouldn't still be trying to liaise that conversation with them. My daughter's 27. We still talk about sex.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: We just do. Right?

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: she's still growing into the human being. She's meant to be. We're gonna continue to have those conversations, and I'm glad that we're able to do that. And, as she gets older, she still has this group of friends.

But even with my mom, I still talk with my mom about, sex and intimacy and all of that stuff because she's not afraid to [00:20:00] have those conversations with me. And she happens to be 23 years older than me, think I'm gonna need to tap into that in about 20 more years, you know, so I should attention, I just think it's important.

Coralie: I actually found a really cool YouTube channel last week. I've only watched two or three, um, of the episodes on it, but I'm definitely gonna be deep diving into it, just 'cause I just love this idea. Similar, you know, I don't think it's a podcast, I think it's just shows, but it's called Sex Explanations and it's basically all sex ed.

And I think if someone, especially young. Doesn't really have someone to answer their questions or to talk to about it. That channel seems like a great resource. I mean, we are too.

Vicki: Yes.

Coralie: We are too. But that one just seems a lot more targeted to specific sex education, whereas we're more like all encompassing, you know, different aspects, so.

Vicki: I agree. Can we quickly touch on the, uh, fueling body issues or,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: I wanna touch on the [00:21:00] fact that because social media, because OnlyFans is a thing, we see all bodies now and I love that everybody. Is represented.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: that, people get to see and can experience and can appreciate all bodies.

There's gonna be, some people are still not gonna appreciate, a particular body type and that's fine, that's a preference.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: but I have an appreciation for all bodies and I do love that that is definitely a little more in our faces because we need it to be. We just need it to be, this is all people doing the things that make them happy.

And I, I like that part. I think that while it could possibly have fueled body images, it could also have somebody up who maybe had body images and went, but they're doing it. Wait a

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: Yep, exactly.

Vicki: We don't necessarily have to fall into this [00:22:00] little picture frame.

Coralie: It's wild how many young people think that they see porn and it's like the gold standard for sex. And nobody really talks about aftercare or awkward moments in porn. And I'm gonna bet there's a lot of awkward moments. I mean, Vicki, you said that you watched a porn being filmed once.

Tell me about an awkward moment. I'm sure there was one.

Vicki: Of course there were. Yeah, that was a really interesting day. But the, it's not what you think. We mentioned it above, you might think that it was, 30 minutes, but it really took this many hours to film this. This podcast is 30 minutes, but it sometimes it's 60 by the time we're done talking.

Right. Um, and then the magic of editing happens. There's always awkward moments and when people are naked, it's awkward. It just to start with, right? They don't know one another. They're walking in a room together. Maybe they know each other passively, but they're about to know each other intimately.

So you remember that time that you had your first kiss with a new partner or the first time you had sex with a new partner? While these [00:23:00] people are much more comfortable in their bodies and, you know, they know that this is the job that they're there to do, uh, they still have to find their, their groove, right?

So there are definitely some awkward moments in there for sure.

Coralie: Mm-hmm. Well, and I think too, 'cause you see sometimes some couples really. Sort of, you just see them around more in porn. And, and I'm not saying like that they're couples in real life, but you see them partnered in films and it's because they have this natural chemistry, whereas some don't. And so they might not, film a whole series.

Amber: So you could use porn as a tool and not a crutch, right? So some tips and conversation starters that you could have, especially if you have a partner is watch it together, pause it, talk about it, try something. and set boundaries. what's okay and not what's not okay. Right. So when you're pausing it and you're talking about it, this allows you to go, uh, no, I'm never doing that.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: But it also allows you to go, let's, let's maybe try that or let's kinda dip our toe and go halfway, kind of thing. Right?

So if it's causing [00:24:00] conflict, you may wanna seek a counselor or a therapist, especially, sex positive ones.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: for sure.

Coralie: Yeah. Well, I think with the conflict too, that's all about the boundaries. Like you have to talk about your boundaries around porn,

Amber: Mm-hmm.

Coralie: um, For us, for example, like we both watch porn. We watch it more separately than we do together. And, um, one of our boundaries is we're not gonna pay for it.

Neither one of us have one person that we're gonna go watch specifically because, that's kind of the boundary. You don't form a relationship. Even a parasocial one with someone that, someone that.

Vicki: I think that that's more challenging now, especially because you can, um, really one-on-one interact,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: in a, in a porn setting.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: and I think that that is definitely something that needs to be on the table of conversation,

in, in a collaborative relationship. Yeah. You absolutely have to have that conversation.

Is it okay if I'm having a one-on-one with somebody

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Vicki: that's an important piece because that's gonna be, [00:25:00] feel very different than just. a movie

Coralie: Well, and that's why it's an important conversation to have because some couples will be fine with that, and there's nothing wrong with it. The problem is when you are crossing a boundary that you had set in the relationship, and I know quite a few people who do OnlyFans and

it's not a real relationship. And a lot of times people can get into these conversations and they're loyal and they're paying for this person's stuff and, and all that stuff, but that's not even their real name. That's not even where they really live. And that sort of thing can cause damage to a relationship because you think you're having this, like, it's not real.

You have to remember it's not real. It's never real.

Vicki: You are paying for something and you are receiving it, and when you leave that space, it is off that person's mind. You are, they're not thinking about you after they've given you your coffee. 

Coralie: I can share a story from my past life. That's sort of related [00:26:00] actually, that I just thought of. So back in the nineties, I was a phone sex operator for a short while,

Vicki: Yeah, you were.

Coralie: I always joke around that I was the worst phone sex operator. Because my goal was to not have them finish. Then the call would end and I got paid a dollar a minute, I could keep them on the phone.

So my goal was to make, get a full hour. I wanted 60 bucks. And I only did it for like a month. It was like way, way long ago. But what was funny, and I didn't use my name, anything like that, but the funny thing is I was literally at my house. Imagine the Aerosmith video. I was doing all those things.

I didn't use my real name and there would still be people that would request me because they would believe whatever I had said to them, you know, they thought it was a relationship

Vicki: Yeah. And you've

Coralie: yeah.

Vicki: a storyline that works for them. That's all.

Coralie: Yeah, totally.

Vicki: So using porn as a jumping off point, not a replacement, can totally shift the energy in your relationship. It [00:27:00] can enhance it. Again, as long as you're being collaborative and honest and open about it.

Coralie: Mm-hmm. And if you're not into watching it at all, that's okay too.

Vicki: Yep.

Amber: Yeah, and I think it's important though, like if you're a parent, avoid the porn talk. 'cause kids are gonna learn about it from somewhere.

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: It may as well be from you, and you probably likely wanna tell them that it, it is a movie, you know,

Coralie: Mm-hmm.

Amber: not reality, it's not real life, and that's not what's gonna happen, um, when they first do it.

Coralie: . Well whether it turns you on, turns you off, or just makes you raise an eyebrow, porn is here and pretending it's not is definitely gonna do more harm than good.

Vicki: Absolutely. So let's stop shaming people for their curiosity, and instead help them navigate it with some damn good guidance.

Amber: It's about choice, consent, curiosity. Own what turns you on and ditch the rest.

Coralie: So brunch babes, what's your take on porn? Have you used it in your relationship? Has it helped you? Has it hurt [00:28:00] you? Please slide into our dms or email us at notsafeforbrunch@gmail.com and share your thoughts. We might share them, but it will always be anonymous and yeah, we'd love to know what you think.

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