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The World Needs You Podcast is your go-to resource for mindset transformation, self-discovery, and inner growth. Hosted by Shelsea and Chris Novosel, this podcast dives into candid conversations on personal development, exploring how to unlock your full potential and live with purpose.
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Authenticity + Embodiment: Expressing Your True Self
In this episode of The World Needs You, we dive into the power of authenticity and embodiment. We explore what it means to release the fear of being seen and to embrace your truest self—no filters, no masks, just raw, real expression. We talk about creating art and sharing your gifts in a way that honors your highest self, rather than tailoring your work to fit a specific audience. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about embodying your core values and letting them guide your every move. This episode is all about showing up as the real you, unapologetically.
Our daughter Kalina makes an appearance at the end sharing her view of authenticity as an 8 year old.
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Welcome to the World Needs you podcast, where we dive into the journey of mindset, self-discovery and inner growth.
Speaker 2:We're your hosts, Chris and Chelsea Novosel, and we're here to have real, candid conversations about what it means to live with purpose and unlock your full potential.
Speaker 1:Each week, we'll explore the tools and strategies that can help you cultivate a strong mindset, embrace who you truly are and make a meaningful impact in the world.
Speaker 2:Whether we're sharing our own experiences or learning from our incredible guests, we're here to remind you that the world needs what only you can offer.
Speaker 1:So get ready to dive deep, grow and step into your power, because the world needs you. Power because the world needs you. Hello, and welcome to another episode of the World Needs you podcast.
Speaker 2:Thanks, so much for joining us today. Welcome, hello.
Speaker 1:What are you drinking?
Speaker 2:Cacao. I need some energy. It's awful work here and we're trying to figure out our times and I think this is a good spot, but got to get my energy back a little bit after work.
Speaker 1:The baby's sleeping, the kids are getting ready for bed and we are here sipping on some pure chocolate, and it is a good life. So we like to start every episode off authentically and speaking about what is on our mind and heart.
Speaker 2:What's on your mind hon?
Speaker 1:So today I mind and heart what's on your mind, hon. So today I mind and heart. So one thing that keeps coming up for me, and it's kind of like a life lesson for the year, is to stop overgiving. And I feel like I've have like little tests that keep arising and the universe is like why are you overgiving again? And it's kind of like, if you, you know, go back to our other episode on the masculine and feminine. It's like I'm slipping into sometimes my wounded feminine, where I'm overgiving other people think to an extent I care about people, but almost putting myself first and trying to do that in a way that is not not in a selfish way, but in a way that is fair.
Speaker 2:Why do you think you when you say I got to put myself first? Why do you feel like it's selfish?
Speaker 1:I don't know. The first thing that comes up for me is I feel like it's making sure everybody is content, everyone's happy, and if everyone's happy, then my life is okay. If people are upset with me, then it doesn't feel good.
Speaker 2:What does putting yourself first look like in a perfect?
Speaker 1:world.
Speaker 2:Chelsea's perfect world.
Speaker 1:It's just honoring the work that I do, honoring myself and the work that I do, cause I do a lot and I put a lot of time and effort and I have a certain standard to a lot of things that some people don't, and I recognize this and know this and I have to honor that part of myself. If I'm doing the work, I should receive as well, and it's almost like allowing myself to receive too. That's like another piece to it.
Speaker 2:So honoring your standards, honoring your boundaries.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's kind of on my mind and heart today, so I'm trying to be more authentic, which is our topic of the day.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I love it Thinking. For me it's pretty simple. I've been focusing right now. I'm removing distractions, removing things that just kind of pull me away from becoming my highest self, like doing the things and achieving the things that I want to achieve. I've had a social media hack. I've been kind of implementing that. I feel like it's been working pretty well so far. I think social media does have some benefits with connection and things like that, but obviously this day and age it can get out of hand and for me, just any time. Compared to most of the world, I'm probably not that bad, but even still I feel like if I waste 10 minutes into it.
Speaker 1:What's the hack?
Speaker 2:The hack is when I want to go into it, I go into App Store and download it and then, when I'm done, I delete it. Whenever I want to download it again or when I got to wait for it to download, Depending on where I'm at. It could be something I'm waiting for. I'm like, oh, it's not that important and I don't go in.
Speaker 1:And you don't have like a little red dot there that says somebody left you a message or you have a notification.
Speaker 2:Exactly, I got notification issues, yeah, meanwhile you don't.
Speaker 1:There's always okay, there's always in a couple. There's always the one that has 40,000 emails that are unread Me, and then there's one that has zero unread emails and everything's clean and organized in the email box. I just don't open any spam. So I know if it's spam or not and I feel it's not like I don't respond to the important emails. I respond right away on top of my emails. However, the ones that are not important, I just don't open and they just sit there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you got to get them out. They're delete them, you know that would require time.
Speaker 1:What else is on your mind?
Speaker 2:Just removing distractions, trying to open up space so I can continue to be my best self for me, but also so that I can be that for y'all. Just trying to emphasize the relationships that I have just get better. Get better with you, better with the girls. Find new friendships you know, open myself up so that I can experience more. That's around what I'm.
Speaker 1:Around your authentic self Exactly. So let's get into it, baby. Today we want to talk about authenticity and embodiment, so they kind of go hand in hand. They're different but similar.
Speaker 2:For me, like any definition, I think it means something a little bit different, but in general, for me it's showing up how I truly feel. I am the things that I like, like what I'm about, my values, and really being in line with that when I go out into the world or when I am experiencing life. I think at its core, authenticity is I'm a human and I have these emotions that I want to express in the way that really feels right for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so just feeling good in how you interact with the world, yeah, and embodiment is kind of like taking the mind, the thoughts, the values, the way that you want to be, and bringing it down to earth, so literally living it and being it. Embodiment to me is a way of being. You might be authentic within you know, you might be like thinking like this is what I like and this is what I don't like, but then your self-expression or the way that you move your body and you move throughout the world isn't in alignment.
Speaker 1:So, it's kind of like marrying the two yeah.
Speaker 2:Bringing it together. One of the things I think when you're looking at authenticity, one of the important things is being self-aware and that for me, when I think about this and my journey, it was almost like I turned 30 and I just realized for the longest time I was not self-aware of who I truly wanted to be, how I wanted to show up in the world and for myself, and so I think it took I don't know what it was, maybe experiences in life where I was feeling down. I did feel, you know, a situational depression stage, if you want to say, in that stage of my life.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like a rock bottom in a weird way, a self rock bottom, not a rock bottom in, like you know, the family and like financially, like we were OK, we were like a solid team, but it was almost like a self rock bottom if that makes sense, yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just trying to be what I thought was successful and to provide for my family and what it took and all those things. And I just found myself at a standstill of how to do that in a way that felt good and also I was doing well at it. You know, I think my career maybe challenged me to get to that place, but then it helped me expand in my career but also within myself and, and look at that, but getting to that point, it just I had to become self-aware. I'm like, why do I feel this way? Why do I feel sad when I have a beautiful wife and kids?
Speaker 2:And you know, we just we had, we were moving, we lived down South, we moved down to Myrtle Beach first and then South Florida. So it was, there was a lot of things for me to be grateful for, but there was still a piece where I was not, and so I think I just, you know, once I hit that spot, I was like talking to myself, having conversations, I was forced to be self-aware, which led me to really discovering or searching for my authentic self.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because self-awareness is it's not just being aware of how you feel, like you said, like you were aware of, like this internal uncomfortable feeling of sadness or depression or whatever Self-awareness to me is like goes beyond just how you feel. So at that self rock bottom that you were at, you knew you felt sad and depressed and you were just out of alignment in a way. But to me, self-awareness is also noticing the action that you need to take and being aware of the actions that you're currently taking and taking responsibility for those actions and then noticing where the shift needs to happen and then checking in and making sure that that shift is in alignment with your values, which then you can integrate. And the integration piece is like your beliefs, your values, your emotions and your physical presence are all in alignment and you're living it and you're embodying it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It's like building a house. You got to work on every one of those little pieces. The one thing I'll add to that I would almost push into the beginning, right before the actions piece is healing what's. You know that's your self-aware now. So you know, work to heal yourself from whatever it is that is bringing you to that point of feeling down, not feeling worthy, not feeling your authentic self. You know, really being able to discover how you got there and just be honest with yourself, like, hey, this really has hurt me and has kind of allowed me or led me to being a victim up to this point. You know, that was a point that I had to realize that people on the outside would have never known. But on the inside there was a lot of things, a lot of my actions or just different ways. I was thinking was when I looked at it like a part of victimhood.
Speaker 1:I think when you're in a state of victimhood, it's impossible to have strong embodiment. When you're embodying something and you're like fully embodied, you are taking a hundred percent responsibility for your life. So let's just say here we go, somebody is a victim, they're broke, or they say they're broke.
Speaker 2:If you're broke. The reason I'm broke is because of this, because my my parents didn't teach me how to manage money and they weren't there when I needed them. So that's the victimhood piece.
Speaker 1:Yes, but what part of you is going to the bar or going and buying wine at night or getting things that you don't need, and the embodiment piece is then fully taking responsibility for that, getting out of your comfort zone, getting out of your own damn way and living truly authentically within the values of what it is that you actually want. So you, you were in this state of like victimhood. You were not completely self-aware because your actions weren't in alignment with your values. This was back when you were dealing with self-aware because your actions weren't in alignment with your values. This was back when you were dealing with your Saturn return.
Speaker 1:If you know astrology, you know how tough that is, and there's always a life lesson, right. And if you don't know the Saturn return, it always happens between the ages of like 28 and 32 ish I was to say like right around your thirties and it's an opportunity to learn something. So, for you, I feel like you really learned that authenticity piece and stepped into it and stepped into your own power, because that's what authenticity does it helps you step into your own power.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Well, and one of the things to, I think, helps me even talk about this and describe it. One of the things I did when I was becoming more self-aware was I was journaling a lot and one of the exercises I did was write the question down who am I? And I would spend like five minutes every day and write how I felt in that moment. Next day, next morning, I would sit quietly with myself and think about who am I. It was crazy, because asking yourself that question and writing it down, then you start going through all your experiences in life and it actually can be an emotional moment, but it's a good moment for you to sit and feel kind of whatever you've felt or whatever it is that could be holding you back, and for me, that was really powerful.
Speaker 2:There was a lot of different things that I discovered. I'll take this example. One thing that I felt like I did when I was not my authentic self was people that know me. I make jokes, I say stupid stuff, I like to laugh, I like to make people laugh, you no. So that's still a part of me, and who I am today am today, but when I was not my authentic self, I would use that to be to kind of portray myself as like the stupid guy that had to stand out by just doing stupid stuff.
Speaker 2:And that was when I looked at that was to grab attention, was so that I could feel seen feel validated feel important, but it wasn't really the way I wanted to feel that validated, because people thought I was an idiot Like this guy is just a dumb. Dumb that does crazy stuff or says stupid stuff. But now it's just, it's different. I feel very aligned with who I am, I feel okay with who I am and I'll say things that I think are funny still.
Speaker 1:You still have a fire mouth, I still have a fire mouth, it's more controlled.
Speaker 2:but at the end of the day, depending on the audience, it's usually appreciated and if it's not, I'm still laughing by myself. And that's all good.
Speaker 1:But you don't do it now for the external validation?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not doing it and I feel that I'm not doing it so that others can see me. I just, it's just part of your personality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, okay. So let's talk a little bit about the external validation, because I think that's what gets a lot of people hung up in this inauthenticity, lack of embodiment type of situation, whether it's through, I think, like you know, through, I think, like you know trying to fit in, or because of the way that you were brought up, or because of who you think you should be.
Speaker 2:Don't should yourself.
Speaker 1:Don't should yourself.
Speaker 2:Don't should on yourself.
Speaker 1:Don't should on yourself. See, there you go, Letting go of the expectations of other people of how you should be.
Speaker 2:And that you put on yourself was really you. I mean and if it was others, those others aren't really going to last through your life. Anyways, once you really start to become, yourself, you know, I think.
Speaker 1:I think that sometimes we have to let go of trying to fit in and trying to mold ourselves to fit into other people's expectations whether it's different friend groups that are into certain things and then you feel like you need to be into that too. We have so many groups of friends that are so different and I was always like that. In high school I always had, like, friends that did this, friends that did that, like you know, different types of people and I like that more because I feel like I don't drink the Kool-Aid anywhere I go, because I don't want to lose a piece of myself if I get too sucked into any one type of group.
Speaker 2:You know, you want to be aware that you're not resisting something good for you too.
Speaker 1:So we need to talk about this. Our daughter, kalina, came home from school today and she said that a little girl in school told her that she isn't cool because she's not preppy and she doesn't have a Stanley. What kind of BS is that? This is where it starts. This is how it all begins and the little girl says oh, you're not cool because you don't have a Stanley. And then she goes and she gets a Stanley, even if she doesn't want one or whatever, and then she's fitting in this box and then she lives the rest of her life seeking validation from other people when she doesn't even like stanley's like that's the dumbest shit ever. Anyway, it's a 40 dollar bottle.
Speaker 2:Well, she got a walla.
Speaker 1:That's also I know, but I'm just saying, this is where it all begins, you know.
Speaker 2:But it's also the influence of those leading you in your life, the adults. So you know, when I look back on my stuff, that's the biggest impact is the lessons that you teach your kids through that. So being present with them, being someone that they want to talk to, and having a listening ear and just trying to understand where they're coming from, what they're going through and have them be open to that, I think, is really important because she will probably still fall into that in different moments. But we all, I think you, have to. It's part of your growth, it's part of your evolving as a human being. But us, as her leaders, if we continue to be aware of that, we know it's something that's happening.
Speaker 1:I think she'll overcome and she'll learn the right lessons from it. Yeah, and that's the thing. Sometimes it comes from the home too. You know, people grow up in situations where they're in like super religious households and then they have to, like fit them within a box and then they're suppressed and they're in this little teeny, tiny box and then they get out into the world and they go absolutely crazy.
Speaker 2:But hey, that's why you teach kids how to do a guillotine, in case they ever use it Guillotine I'm talking about the jujitsu moves, just to be clear. There's a guillotine from the old days, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just teach your kids jujitsu so they can wear whatever they want and beat up the bullies.
Speaker 2:You can be un-effortable, which actually was one of the things I was going to point at too. That, which actually was one of the things I was going to point out too, that's an Andy Frisella thing, but that was one of the things that he preaches and talks about being uneffable, so that, no matter what you do, somebody cannot change your direction.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're going in that direction and there's nothing that's going to stop you. You know the direction you're going and you're going there no matter what, this is what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're un-effortless. Well, yeah, I think too there's a magnetism when it comes to people that are truly authentic and embodying their deepest values and their passions. Think about some of the most magnetic people. They're people that show up with confidence and this grounded energy where they're just completely comfortable with themselves.
Speaker 2:When you become clear you are, there's going to be certain individuals across your path that fit in that and some that don't, and when you're okay with who you are, you're not really focused on how many friends do I have? Or who likes me, who doesn't hard. You're not really focused on how many friends do I have, or who likes me, who doesn't. You know, you might have one friend, but if that's one solid friend, right, you're already that you're comfortable with yourself and they also support you in that, then you're winning.
Speaker 1:I think showing up authentically requires a release of the fear of yourself to be fully seen, because showing up authentically is pretty vulnerable. When you're really truly authentically and like living your own art, it's like you're putting it out there for everyone to see, and if people don't like it, well, that can be a little crushing for the ego sometimes. Do you know who Rick Rubin is?
Speaker 3:He's the founder of Def Jam Records.
Speaker 1:He's got like the long beard and he just wrote a book, but I love him. I love him. He's like up there with Ram Dass, I like yeah.
Speaker 1:Like the stuff he says is really good. But I was listening to something and he said the audience should always come last. So when you make things, you should not make things for the approval of others, but make things because you want to make things, and then through that comes this beautiful, authentic piece of art and that you can kind of curate your life like that, your life like that. What makes a good artist at the end of the day is just like the authenticity of how they show up and how they're just showing up because they want to, not necessarily to make a song that fits in anywhere, if you think about that with your life.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to and this is what I want so bad for Kalina, for our girls, especially Kalina now, though, because she's eight and she's moving into these years of wanting to be the cool girl not necessarily the cool girl at school. She, just like you, can see it in her heart. She just wants to be loved and accepted like anybody else, right? But I think it's so important for her to recognize now that she should show up to school wearing what she wants, because she's comfortable. Like she, the girl loves sea turtles and wanted to buy like 10 sea turtle shirts. This year she should be able to wear a sea turtle shirt every day and not give a crap. If anybody has anything to say about it, let's talk about if somebody uses authenticity almost as an excuse. So I'm just showing up authentically and I'm showing up as an asshole.
Speaker 2:Tell you how I feel. Yeah, oh, this is my opinion, yeah.
Speaker 1:Is that authentic? No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Oh, and they could say that they could say it is. They could say it is, but authentic doesn't mean unfiltered and with bad intent.
Speaker 1:Right. Have you ever heard like the emotion of anger really authentically underneath anger is sadness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:So authenticity is showing up in the emotion that you actually are.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So not using the emotions of anger as a mask, but instead showing up and be like okay, I'm sad about this, because that's actually how you're feeling.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But getting in alignment with the truth. The truth, that's what authenticity is. Let's just say there's somebody out there that wants to get more connected to their authenticity. They want to get more embodied. You mentioned journaling. What are some other things with that that they could do?
Speaker 2:Journaling. I think that's the great thing about just that question who am I is? You can take it wherever you need to. Wherever you sit with yourself, you become present. However, you need to get there and you answer the question what comes through is what's meant to come through. As you get creative, as you start to think about what it is, you need to learn about yourself what it is. You need to figure out what questions do you have about your life or about what's happened in your life. When you sit and think about all that, that's the stuff you need to put in the journal. And when you write things down, when you answer those questions, because you think about this stuff a lot in your mind, but actually sitting present with yourself and writing it down on paper is a really powerful thing and that was really important in my journey. In doing that, I did it for consistently, on and off through a couple of years, and there's a lot that I discovered.
Speaker 1:So you would sit down and just write at the top of the page who am I, and just free write, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah and yeah Once I got a lot of answers. I mean, doing that helped me figure out the one thing I explained earlier. It helped me figure out like I've tried to be funny in the past, to be seen in those moments. But this is how I want to show up now. I have it written down. I don't have it in front of me, but I wrote what the old me was doing and I rewrote it into what it looked like.
Speaker 1:So let's just say, like if the old you is a people pleaser, good girl or good boy, and the new you is strong and values their time and their effort. I'm speaking to myself yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1:That's good, I mean, that's sometimes how you gotta do it and then there's that embodiment piece of allowing the authenticity to be grounded and grounded in your actions and the way you carry yourself. So I'd say there is like a piece to how you dress right. So when you're going in your closet, obviously, like if you have a specific job and you need to wear a certain thing, then okay. But let's just say like you want to wear something and you hesitate and you're like, well, what would so-and-so think if I wore this? Then just recognize that there's that little block there. Do you feel like you need to buy a certain bag or a certain thing to look a certain way? It's such a trap. It's such a trap those things that you know. It's like this illusion that if we get this thing or if we wear this thing, people are going to love us and accept us. Nobody's going to love you more because you have a Louis bag. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:And I feel like I mean that's not from my experience, but I feel like the expectation is never going to be met, so there's always going to be. There tends to be something that doesn't fill your expectations. So you wear that dress you think you're supposed to wear because this person is going to like it, and they don't say what exactly you wanted them to say to make you feel good, Right? Or they do say, say it, and you're still like oh, I really don't feel as good as I thought it was going to feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or like just like a continuing to reach for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Validation is not good, or you know. I think of the little girl that said that to Kalina at school. Let's just say Kalina went out and got a Stanley and then went into school. Is she then like going to be accepted more by this friend? Of hers no because there's a gap in that little girl's heart that isn't getting filled at home, and that's why she's acting the way that she's acting.
Speaker 2:And those things will continue to happen and it's going to continue.
Speaker 1:And then I think there's also this embodiment piece of feeling your emotion and processing your emotion, because let's just say you have sadness within you and you're not letting it be felt and acknowledged. Then it's going to come out in an inauthentic way which, like we just talked about, is through anger or this rage which sometimes it's okay to. You know, we're all human, so we're not going to be like walking around these, like these perfect people all the time, but to just recognize when it happens and to have some sort of movement practice to get it out. I recently heard that for three minutes a day, just put on a random song and to just let your body intuitively move however it wants to, almost like an ecstatic dance, like just move your body. Maybe it's some stretching or because we we store emotion and we store these stressors physically in our bodies. So if we can let it out in a healthy way, to the brothers you can go do some push-ups and hey brothers, you can.
Speaker 1:you can do some aesthetic dance too. Mr I fist pump in the kitchen with the girls, don't even. Just let yourself feel in your body. Whatever you're feeling in the moment, be there and be present and let it go through instead of numbing it or being denying it. Closing thoughts.
Speaker 2:Be honest with yourself. This is who I am, you know. Get clear on who that is, if that's writing it down having a conversation with yourself, but get clear who you are and how you really want to show up for yourself, how you want to go out and serve the world.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's one thing I think we didn't talk about too, but serving a purpose is part of authenticity. Well, I think, if you think about what Rick Rubin said, create to create, and that's the biggest service of the world. I think. I think if you're creating in a way that authentically fulfills your soul, you are living your purpose and that living of your purpose is then serving the world in the biggest way.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. So, yeah, I think, when you do that, when you create, when you can serve the world in those ways and when you can really search for who you truly want to be, you, I've hit this authentic point and now I'm good, I'm my authentic self.
Speaker 2:There's a good point where you get rid of a lot of the bullcrap that you've been hanging on to and that's the point I want for everybody is to heal is to get past those things that have been holding you back in life, and some things are really hard, you know. I know that people have been through a lot worse and there's a lot of things that are very hard to get through Really. Decide to show up authentically and become clear where you're at today.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm showing up authentically here, but I need to get better here. I feel like I haven't healed this part of my life yet. So I'm going to commit to doing that and I'm going to make these decisions. So there's the openness part of it, there's the piece where you're becoming self-aware, and then there's the piece where you're creating action.
Speaker 1:Intentional action can't happen without the self-awareness and I'd say also, to add to that, to catch yourself in every situation Because, like you said, it's a practice we're not perfect, we'll never be perfect. There's constant evolvement, constant catching yourself, constantly, like getting back on the path when you fall off right. So when you are in a state where you're like, oh, I'm doing this thing because I'm trying to please other people, or oh, I'm not really expressing the real emotion here, or I'm not feeling that I'm numbing it instead of feeling it, catch yourself every single time, and then it's like a muscle and it's a practice, and every time, over time, it gets a little easier.
Speaker 2:You can do it.
Speaker 1:Self-awareness, letting go of trying to fit in a box, tapping into the things that feel good, letting go of the shoulds, releasing the fear and creating to create. That's pretty much like the secret sauce to authenticity and embodiment.
Speaker 2:So awesome. I love it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, y'all. Well, thanks so much for joining us and, as always, keep learning, keep keep growing and we will catch you later peace hey, kalina. So I have a question for you do you wear the clothes that you want to wear because you want to wear them, or do you wear them because you want someone at school to like them?
Speaker 3:I wear them because I like them.
Speaker 1:That's good. You should stay like that forever. Do you think anyone else maybe, like, shows up to school and has certain things because they think other people will like them more? Yes, what's preppy mean Cool? Preppy means cool, according to who?
Speaker 3:My friends.
Speaker 1:Your friends? And what if you're not?
Speaker 3:preppy, I don't know. Then you're just uncool, do you think?
Speaker 1:that's true.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 1:What do you think makes somebody cool?
Speaker 3:So when I watched Cinderella, it was not the cartoon one, it was a different one. She was like I don't know how old she was, she was about my age, and then her mom was dying. And then the last word she said to Cinderella that she wanted for her to do is to have courage and be kind.
Speaker 1:Do you think that that's the magic sauce to being cool? I don't know, you don't know. Yeah, what do you think cool means? What does it mean to be cool like popular? What does it mean to be popular? Like lots of people like you and you're like very cool so do you think, all right, let's, let's just full circle this right now? Do you think it makes sense for a lot of people to like someone just because they have a cup?
Speaker 3:No, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make any sense. What qualities do you think make sense for people to like you?
Speaker 3:To be nice and not be mean and be kind to lots of people. Are you proud of yourself? Yeah, I'm proud of you.