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From Rock Star to Spiritual Teacher: Joshua Wilson on Trusting Your Inner Guide
In this episode, Shelsea Novosel sits down with Joshua Wilson, a devotional musician whose journey took him from the highs of rock-star touring life to the deep, transformative world of plant medicine and spiritual practices.
Joshua shares his wisdom on connecting to your inner teacher, learning to trust your intuition, and exploring spiritual practices that resonate on a soul level.
Together, we discuss the power of listening to your inner guide and finding what truly works for you on your path of self-discovery and growth.
Tune in to explore Joshua’s inspiring journey and learn how you, too, can reconnect with your inner guru.
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Welcome to the World Needs you podcast, where we dive into the journey of mindset, self-discovery and inner growth.
Speaker 2:We're your hosts, Chris and Chelsea Novosel, and we're here to have real, candid conversations about what it means to live with purpose and unlock your full potential.
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Speaker 1:So get ready to dive deep, grow and step into your power, because the world needs you. Power because the world needs you. Hello and welcome to the World Needs you podcast. Today we have an amazing guest, Joshua Wilson.
Speaker 3:Hey everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, love starting this podcast out with just asking you what's on your mind and heart today, in this moment, right now.
Speaker 3:I am really excited to be here and I'm really honored that you invited me on.
Speaker 1:First guest Woohoo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I am just really in the the spirit of connecting and sharing and that's what feels alive for me right now. This energy, you know, sharing and connecting and receiving and giving in the conversation, and then that receives and gives for those that are listening right now and watching, and all of that Really simple, but that's what feels alive, these kinds of spaces of sharing and being on the air, if you will, of the mystery in them, you know, because you never know what you're going to share, what's going to come up. It's like you're going on a journey that you, like, have prepared as much as you can for, but then, like, you only know what happened when you look back on it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, speaking of journey, I want to know all about your journey. I know you from coming to different gatherings, full moon events, yoga classes, things like that and you always just radiate this kind of like shamanic energy and like you're and and don't take offense to this, but it's like you're an old man in a younger person's body.
Speaker 1:I know exactly what you mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like grandpa or something. I want to know more about this story and how you got to where you are now and I can no, because I feel that way.
Speaker 3:I really do Just like old soul, Like I know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, and just I, I feel like when, when there's a soul that has evolved in a way where there's deep wisdom, there there's also, more than likely, deep pain and and almost like have you heard of the Joseph Campbell the hero's journey? Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:What is Joshua's hero's journey? Where did this all begin? Did you? Did you grow up in a spiritual household? What was your upbringing like?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I grew up in a very like I don't want to say hardcore, but I grew up Catholic.
Speaker 1:I would have never guessed that.
Speaker 3:Raised Catholic, which actually kind of side note to that, I'm starting to come back around and not come back around to Catholicism and I'm not saying anything in that regard, but noticing how much of that has like a shamanic tinge to it from the outside looking in. But that's for. We'll probably get to that later.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so raised Catholic, kind of like you have to go to church every Sunday and Sunday school and when I was young I don't even know how old but the baptism and the communion and the whole nine, you know so raised Catholic.
Speaker 1:And was this in Arizona?
Speaker 3:So I was born and raised in Las Vegas, in Vegas, yes, okay, yeah, so Vegas this was. It was raised by my mother and my stepfather because my quote unquote father, father left before I was born. So and some people go oh my god, it's so sad, but I didn't know him, so I don't know, right, you know. So that's where the Catholicism stuff kind of came from.
Speaker 3:As I got a little older, it kind of transformed into more like the rock show like non-denominational yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then that's kind of but this is still where I was still quite young and not quite at that place of like what is spirituality?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I don't know if this was in the book, but the story of Buddha where, like, he looks over the walls for the first time, you know, and he's like, oh my God, there's all this stuff my parents haven't told me about. I haven't gotten, I didn't get to that point on my hero's journey yet there, but that's kind of the steps that were being taken. So my stepfather who adopted me, so like actual father kind of thing, you know, he had a son before he married my mom. So then, stepbrother, he introduced me to heavy metal, not Catholic rock, you know what I mean, just like the kind of polar opposite.
Speaker 3:So I'd say around 13, 14 I started listening to, like slayer that kind of stuff yeah, yeah, just like really heavy stuff, yeah, so that kind of influenced me in more of a rebellious like counterculture way from the upbringing, because as a child I was very rebellious, as it is, you know, and not in like an evil way, like I feel like a lot of people think of rebelliousness as an evil thing, but just like more, just like no, I don't want to do what you tell me to do just because you're telling me to do it.
Speaker 3:Are you a fire sign? I'm not. Cancer sun, scorpio rising Aquarius moon.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't know. I feel like it's the Aquarius.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of. I have Aquarius stellium.
Speaker 1:Yeah, aquarius to me is more outside of the box.
Speaker 3:Very. Aquarius is very outside of the box.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Very forward, just like thinking for yourself.
Speaker 1:That's definitely where that comes from. Okay, so you are introduced to this rock world.
Speaker 3:And then I was just like listening to music hardcore music and metalcore and all this stuff. I started going to like hardcore shows and that kind of thing and all this stuff I started going to like hardcore shows and that kind of thing. So that's where I started to go man music and like hanging out at this in the local scene and the music and all of that.
Speaker 1:And I learned how to scream, basically no way you did vocals. Oh, that gets better.
Speaker 3:It gets better, so then I would practice that in my room. And then, as the years went by, there was actually this is where I started there was a band in the local scene at the time who had, like, lost their vocalist and they were trying out for a vocalist. I joined the band. They were like, all right, we're going to college, we're over.
Speaker 1:And I was like oh man.
Speaker 3:But that went into then. I was kind of in the scene at that point as, like people under people knew me as a vocalist, and then that turned into starting a band with three of my friends at the time. So then that became. That turned into a four-year experience of like touring.
Speaker 1:Wow, wait, what was the band called?
Speaker 3:So we were called Distinguisher. They're not a band anymore.
Speaker 3:I actually quit at one point, which that's when we get into the healing and the shamanic stuff. You know, like the story is always in the story before it, like the seeds of the story is always in the story before it. So to kind of preface that the wave of that started, so we started touring, and then we started like then we started getting into the circuit of a lot of DIY hardcore bands that were touring and that kind of thing, you know. So then we kind of caught that wave, if you will. And then we kind of caught that wave, if you will, um, and then we were just like going, hanging out in the van. Where are we today? I don't know.
Speaker 3:You know just living the hardcore just like tour life you know, which in that world and at that time for me was super duper. It was fun and then it just like broke me down. It was like, but it was divinely perfect, as it kind of unfolded and made sense. That is also where I discovered psychedelics in that rock star world you know so what was the?
Speaker 1:what was the first introduction?
Speaker 3:like yeah, and when I say that, it makes it sound like I'm this huge drugger or something.
Speaker 2:But that's not what I mean at all it was actually quite modest.
Speaker 3:I had like one much mushroom trip and that kind of started to open me up. You know I was like this hardcore vocalist on tour. But then when I would get home I would just like sit in front of my altar and I would meditate with mala, beads and like Ram. Dass, and that's what started to unfold.
Speaker 1:But where did that start from?
Speaker 3:So, like who introduced you to Ram Dass and the mala beads, I wish I knew that like this person you know, but it was like a little here and there, a little here and there, you know, on tour and that kind of thing. It must've been. It was someone on tour, cause I remember one time here's one piece of it we were on tour in Arkansas and, um, there were, um, um, more spiritually minded people at the show and these people were like, hey, there's this crystal, there's these crystals behind the venue. So they walk us behind in Arkansas I don't remember the town, but it was the town in Arkansas that we were in, hot Springs, I don't remember exactly. It was like a big crystal, kind of mining town, yeah, but they walked us around the back of the venue and there were these big. There was just like like crystals all over the forest, like random right Quartz crystals, right, so that was kind of like the spiritual nuggets being planted, you know, yes, and then the Ram Dass I don't remember where that came from.
Speaker 1:No one ever really knows. No, ram, dass just like shows up. Yeah, and you're like, I'm not even sure where he came from, but he's been there all along.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's kind of how it feels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:I ended up finding the Bhagavad.
Speaker 3:Gita, the one as it is by the dude from Hare Krishna's. You know I love the Bhagavad Gita, by the way, but then I started reading that and I would read that on tour. And I had like this dashiki that I bought in Nashville. So then I'd like that was starting to happen.
Speaker 1:Or you know what I mean Like through that, you know long story short.
Speaker 3:Then what happened is I started to have these deeper awakening experiences, kind of Alan Watts askesque right when, like the mushrooms was like the phone call you know.
Speaker 3:And then then that deepened my intuition and I started meditating more and working on myself and learning about shadow work. And then that's when my when I connected with my first mentor, right, so then that all started to happen. And then it was like this one day at practice, this is at the band right, um, and I just noticed, I noticed the frequency difference, right, and I can see it looking back now. Like okay, I was vibrating at a new, different frequency and that's why I wasn't resonating with these people anymore wow, right so I was like, remember I was sitting at practice.
Speaker 3:it was at the end of practice I could feel like there was a huge frequency difference, you know. And that's when I started to realize like, okay, maybe this is not for me anymore. And then what happened is we got our first record deal Right. And then, like something in me, like my soul was just like just like hold the phone you got to get out Right.
Speaker 3:So then, like we were getting ready to sign a record contract, and I remember I called the guys one by one and it was, like I can't do this. It was one of the hardest things I ever had to do.
Speaker 1:I was going to say that it must have taken so much courage.
Speaker 3:Oh, it was hard as heck.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Especially for people that you were with, for I mean, how long were y'all together At?
Speaker 3:this point. It was good four years Wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:How did they take?
Speaker 3:it Not good, but they were not going to like say, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 2:You know like what are you going to do.
Speaker 3:You know. So it was hard, it was really hard. It was really like, yeah, it was hard.
Speaker 1:So after you put your you know, put the stop on and you decided, all right, I'm not doing this anymore, were you in a state of like panic, like I'm not really sure what's next, or did you have like a clear cut path that you knew you wanted to take?
Speaker 3:So that's a good question. I don't feel like I ever really had a clear cut path, and what I mean when I say that is like in our culture there's this big idea of we've got to plan your life and you want to know where you're going to be in through five years and da, da, da, da da da da.
Speaker 3:Deeper. I've never lived that way. I've always just like, navigated life like a sailor would Right, like, ok, you want to go this way, right, but then you follow the compass Right. Or like the Vikings they had the sunstones where they would see where the sun is. Vikings, they had the sunstones where they would see where the sun is right. As long as you have a compass and you know the direction and the progress through that direction, I don't see.
Speaker 3:Because here's another thing If you say, well, I want to be here in five years, then all of a sudden you're limiting yourself Because the perspective that you're in when you say I want to be here in five years, that version of you, that's what that version of you sees in five years, but the you in five years has a different menu of opportunities available that is not at all in your wheelhouse. Yes, you know what I mean, oh, yeah. So, circling back with that, that was also where I was had cultivated a strong enough connection with my intuition at the point where I remember I went on a walk and I sat down on this bench at the walk and my stomach was just like, and I just knew I was like I got to quit, I got to let it go you know, and so like that's always been my guidance.
Speaker 3:When I get a strong message, I just trust it you know and it's always worked out. So like seeing that as the guidance and trusting that the higher forces, higher self, love, universe, whatever resonates right has a better viewpoint of what's best for me than I can see in this moment in this bandwidth you know, and then just like trusting that you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that you say that too, cause I think about goals that I've written down in the past. Like in five years I want to be here, yeah. And then I get there and I look back at the goals that I set and I'm like man, oh man, it's wild to think that that where I'm at now felt so much bigger back then, whereas now I'm like it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3:And that's like how we evolve Right.
Speaker 1:But I also feel like I want to try to tap into that gratitude of like man. You know, five years, five years ago, I dreamed of being right where I'm at right now and I visualized this or you know, or I have even more than I expected.
Speaker 3:So are you surpassed that goal in a year?
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, so, okay. So it sounds like you really listened to your intuition, which is incredible, and you trust in the universe or something, and that was kind of like a first degree of training in that trust.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was kind of a no brainer after I got past the emotional brunt, you know, because it was like at that point I was so broken down mentally, emotionally and physically from the tour. It was like a really rough and rigorous like adrenal fatigue, digestive issues, IBS. I cannot even imagine where I would be, health wise, I wouldn't be sitting here right now having this conversation.
Speaker 2:I can tell you that right now.
Speaker 3:And that's not to sway anyone from if, like, you're watching this and you're like, well, I want to be a metal musician and tour.
Speaker 2:I'm just sharing my experience, you know so so I quit.
Speaker 3:That was hard, and when that timeline collapsed, when I cut that timeline off and the wheels came to a halt, that's where the awakening just took fire set flame you know, because then all of a sudden, oh my God, my body's broken down and I have all this emotional trauma and like that's when I was, like the first time I had the time and the space to just be with myself.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I was just about to ask. Do you feel like it is the awakening came from the space of rest that you gave yourself and the slowing down Like if you kept going? Do you feel like maybe you would have ignored the spiritual aspects of things or your journey in that sense?
Speaker 3:I feel like it would have happened either way. I just think I took the I say easier path, but I don't mean easier, as in easier I mean more. So as, like one of my teachers always says, the universe will send you a feather, then it'll send you a brick, then it will send you a bus, right? So I feel like I took it early enough to where I didn't get hit with the bus.
Speaker 1:Right, so listen to your intuition is the lesson there.
Speaker 3:Oh, a hundred percent Right, because we think about it. Our intuition is call it your higher self, call it the universe, call it God, call it goddess, call it whatever resonates for you. It's that aspect of you that loves you unconditionally, the you that you believe you are in your body and wrote your life's plan and is looking at you in the movie of your life and can see past, present and future and all the timelines available to you. So when your intuition, right, tells you to do something or invites you to do something rather it's not like a parent telling you that you have to do this thing it's actually like for you, right, and that's the big shift that happened for me is oh, if I listen to this, I'm able to ride the waves of the ether, because then you're acting from the you that can see beyond the confines of this 3D time that we're living in.
Speaker 3:So then you're acting from that, it is deep and that's just. We're just scratching the surface.
Speaker 1:So wait. So you mentioned mentors. I'm curious who was your first teacher that?
Speaker 3:was a good. That's a good question. So I feel like I've had so many different teachers. Have you ever heard of Victor Odo? No, okay, he makes YouTube videos and I believe he runs a podcast. Still, he helps other people with their awakening and ascension and Kundalini awakenings and stuff like that. So that was my first major mentor, but then, at the same time, I also studying the works of Paul Cech.
Speaker 3:And then I went and got holistic lifestyle coaching certification at the Cech Institute. So there was a lot of different moving parts kind of happening, right, guy? I feel like we always have different levels to the same thing, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But Victor was definitely a huge, huge thing for me.
Speaker 1:What did he teach you?
Speaker 3:A lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. But the biggest thing I learned from him really was like the intuition thing. You know Like he really helped me expand where I was at at the time. You know like he really helped me expand where I was at at the time, expand what I believed was possible, and helped me kind of raise up to that. That possibility of trusting in your intuition and life can be more magical than easier. And that's where really, where the higher self embodiment and the higher self connection started to come in.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's lots of different cultures that talk about it. The higher self is the you that you were before you were born, the you who is connected to higher realms in the now, and the you who you are becoming after you die.
Speaker 1:I think of that as like the most pure form of unconditional love 100%. So our job is to unlearn the things that stand in the way of that unconditional love. So, after you know you had these different experiences with different teachers, did you go and do like an ayahuasca journey or like anything like that, didn't you? Didn't you do something?
Speaker 3:like that. I would love to hear about that. Quite've had quite extensive experience with ayahuasca and huachuma, and a big one for me that has kind of stuck for me even to this day is sacred tobacco, mapacho, a hape. I don't work with hape anymore, but I mean it's all the sacred plants, it's all the sacred plant teachers.
Speaker 1:Tell the audience, in case you don't know what hape is. Can you explain that a little bit?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so hape very popular, and I don't mean popular like woohoo, but like. They use it often in a sacred, ceremonial way in the Brazilian Amazon and they do so in other countries in the Amazon too. But it's a sacred, shamanic snuff. It's a mixture of sacred tobacco and then different tree barks and plant ashes that they have a ceremony and they make it in ceremony and they're praying and they're putting their magic and their prayers into this medicine and then it's administered right with either a caripe self-applicator or a tepi, which is like for you administer to another person. And it's a sacred snuff that I mean gosh. It balances your chakras, it opens your pineal gland, it tunes your energy.
Speaker 3:In the jungle they would say it clears panema and that's their word for like. If you have like a funk or a bad energy, a block, they use the word panema. And they use it a lot in ayahuasca ceremonies, in combo ceremonies. I've got marks all over myself of combo but that one's like. That's a. It's not a psychedelic, but they use it a lot before ayahuasca ceremony. It looks almost like an inset stick and you burn the first layer of skin off the combo.
Speaker 1:It's a secretion from the frog. Correct Like a poisonous frog. Yes, okay, yes.
Speaker 3:And they call the frog combo, they call combo the king of the jungle because it has no predators, because it's that the secretion of it is so powerful.
Speaker 3:One of my teachers who served combo, who I learned from, she learned from the Matsis tribe, who is a tribe in the Amazon the Jaguar people they are one of the tribes that work with Kambo a lot and told me this story. How Kambo kind of came to the Matsis was Pahe Kampun, one of their medicine men. There was like a sickness and the people were really sick and at one point he prayed and was like Pachamama, my people are dying. How do I help, you know? And that's when the spirit of the combo came and the spirits taught him here's how you administer it and here's how you use it Right. And that's what the Matsis people say is how combo came in for them. Different people do it differently, but the general flow of the ceremony you have a round of hoppe which kind of opens you up, and then you drink a bunch of water and then you put the little dots of combo on and basically what it does is.
Speaker 3:This was a huge part of my healing. I would not be as healthy as I am and as strong as I am today without the combo. I had a lot of like fungal infections, digestive issues and stuff like that, and basically what it does is it goes into your lymphatic system and then it's like the spirit of the frog coming in. It's the animal medicine, right so the spirit. You do it in ceremony and then it comes in and it's a strong purgative. It's working through your system, going to old injuries and killing parasites and doing all kinds of stuff, and then you, you vomit and then you're just in this deep and it's emotional clearing, mental clearing, spiritual clearing, physical clearing, huge physical clearing. But they, the hunters, will use it in the tribes because what it also does is it also, for like a day or two, it will clear the human scent. They say, right, so the hunters will use it before they go hunting because then when they're out hunting they're not being detected by prey.
Speaker 3:Wow, and that's just one thing that you know, but it's a powerful I mean, they've done studies on it. It's like antibacterial, antiviral, all these different things.
Speaker 1:So there's all these different plant medicines and journeys that you can take. What has been the most impactful or, like, most eyeopening for you?
Speaker 3:Wow, all of it. I want to know about your ayahuasca journey too. Yeah, um. So ayahuasca. Um, for those who don't know ayahuasca is, they call the grandmother often, and then you have huachuma. That they call the grandfather, Huachuma being San Pedro cactus, ayahuasca being a brew of the ayahuasca vine and the chacruna leaf. Ayahuasca the way to describe it to our Western mindset is it's a, it's a psychedelic DMT brew, right?
Speaker 1:So it's DMT. Some people don't even know what DMT is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and it's NN dimethyltryptamine right Versus 5-MeO DMT. So ayahuasca is NN DMT, which I'm not a biochemist, so I'm not going to tell you the nitty gritty of it. I just know the difference between the two. So you have ayahuasca which contains NN dimethyltryptamine and that they call the spirit molecule and other cultures they also call it the vine of souls. The wine of souls Because when you go on an ayahuasca journey you're literally passing through the veil of death.
Speaker 2:But you're doing it consciously.
Speaker 3:And then you're in the ceremony and it's like you almost feel like you fall asleep, but you stay awake and then you go to those spiritual realms, you know.
Speaker 1:And you have visions.
Speaker 3:It's like you're dreaming, right, it's like you're dreaming, but you're awake. You have these long sometimes, God. I've had ceremonies last like nine hours.
Speaker 1:What yeah?
Speaker 3:Like sometimes they're long because it's the spirit molecule. So you go to those imaginal realms and those the journeys, and you're like I'm in this palace and I'm with the archangels and dah, dah, dah, Like you have visions and journeys and lessons and all these different things right. And then they have what's called 5-meo dmt, which like if you've ever heard of bufo no okay that's something I haven't.
Speaker 3:I haven't had a ceremony of bufo. I've I've, I've known people who have taken it. But bufo is the sonoran desert toad and um 5MeO DMT they call the God molecule Because from what I've heard from people who have had a full-blown ceremony with it, it lasts like maybe an hour and you just like straight to God. So it's like I mean, I haven't had a full-blown and I don't feel called to because, I don't think it's a good. I think like I'm good, you know.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Not to say I'm evolved and enlightened and I don't need it. And that's not what I mean. I just don't feel like I need that per se. But it's just like straight, like like oftentimes that I've heard it there's no journey, there's no beginning, middle end. It's just like you're here, right, you inhale, you exhale, and then you're there, right.
Speaker 1:I think I have a friend that has done that before. It's more popular. But yeah, I mean for me, I have never experienced any psychedelics. Really, I know that's insane right, but I feel like my brain is already like a psychedelic trip half the time.
Speaker 1:Well, here, yeah, I have psychedelic experiences during breathwork sessions and I have very, very vivid dreams. I lucid dream, I remember my dreams every single night, in clear like I feel like I go to other realms and I'm extremely interested in hearing the stories of people that have journeyed through plant medicine. But I haven't gone there yet and I know I think ayahuasca is calling me a little bit. But I'm also a little bit fearful of doing it, because you go to the dark side, like from the, you completely like see your own shadows and the shadows of your entire life and lifetimes, and then and you come back and yeah, it's definitely.
Speaker 3:It's hard to describe because it's one of those experiences that is beyond like I don't even go there. It's like it's an experience that is above, beyond and outside of, like the way and this is going to sound so out there and wild and crazy, but it's true, right, the way that we. This is going to sound so out there and wild and crazy, but it's true, right, the way that we're communicating right now and we're having this conversation and we're recording a podcast and woohoo, right, that operating system, if you will, of the mind that we use on a day-to-day basis, right, it's like that all goes away when you're in that ceremony. Right, you're not in the mind, you're not well if you're not fighting it, you know, yeah, but it's like all that dissolves, right, even the idea of who you think you are dissolves. It's like the deepest meditation, deepest. It's like. It's hard to explain because it's like it's it's one of those experiences, you know.
Speaker 1:How would you compare an ayahuasca journey to a breathwork journey? Ooh.
Speaker 3:Um, and I actually, before I go there, I really like how you said you feel like your brain is like a psychedelic.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because that's been a big thing that has. All of that has kind of led me to is like the deeper internal alchemical arts, which is really what I feel super passionate about these days which we can talk about. But how would I compare ayahuasca to a breathwork ceremony? I've definitely had similar visions and experiences on breathwork that I've had in ayahuasca. I guess the only difference is ayahuasca is like a lot longer, a lot more psychedelic right, more fractally, and you really lose your sense of self. And then the different plant medicines that you sit with, whether that's and I don't even like to use that word I like, I prefer plant teacher right, because from my experience with them they're teachers, they're not. I've sat with many medicines only to realize that I learned what I needed to then heal myself.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean. So it's like. It's like I used to put them on pedestals oh my God, I have to do this and they're healing me and right, and I'm not knocking it. I have a lot of respect and reverence for all of this. However, I also know that it's not good to give our power away to anything. You know, and the power is actually within us, that healing is within us and that's why I feel the plant teacher, because it's like that's been my experience with it is very much a teaching.
Speaker 1:I'm curious how all of these different plant medicine journeys that you've gone on have shaped your current reality. And yeah you're the current like, like how you look at people in your relationships. Do you ever see people's face shape shift Sometimes, yeah.
Speaker 3:If I'm like fresh out of like, if I had a really deep morning practice and I went particularly deep with Kundalini or something to that nature and I'm like my, like, my energy's really going and the rainbow frequency and all that kind of stuff, then it's almost like it's weird to talk to people. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And my toroidal field is just right, and then you can tell, based on your field, how people respond to you.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:How have you seen your relationships with your friends or your family shift after going down this healing journey?
Speaker 3:Responsibility, and what I mean when I say that is how much power we have individually and I use that term in this way to describe the power that we have to like we're not victims of our circumstance. Have you ever read Neville Goddard? No, okay, neville Goddard is a powerful love his work. A mystic from like the forties and fifties, studied with a rabbi, studied Kabbalah, studied all this. He's kind of like one of the early pioneers of the law of attraction and manifestation and all of that.
Speaker 3:So a hundred years ago, neville Goddard right. One of the many amazing things that he said is everyone is just reflecting back to you your present idea of who you think you are. That's what I mean about empowerment and responsibility. Is that like the story of, well, this person's acting this way right now, and why is this happening, and right? And like the thing that I'm saying right now is only going to resonate to the depth that you've gone within yourself, because the thing is that everything is a reflection. And that's why I said, the deeper you go within your own journey, of your, because we're all on a spiritual journey, whether you think you are, whether you want to accept that you are or not.
Speaker 3:I'm not spiritual. Everything is spiritual. It's a truth, and truth doesn't, it doesn't rest on belief. Everyone is responsible for their own experience and the way that you interface with the world, the way that you show up, based on your practices, and the way that you hold your embodiment. That's the frequency you're emitting into the field, which, then, that energy is the energy that people can respond to. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:It's like your frequency is a mixture, to use the Joe Dispenza definition of the way you think, the way you feel and the actions that you take. That's your frequency. You know what I mean. So, whatever frequency you're at, right, dr David Hawkins, the scale of consciousness, whatever frequency you're at, that's the frequency of your reality. And then, based on that, it's not that you're creating somebody's reaction, it's that people can only react or show up to you based on the input that you're giving them, because it's your experience and everything's a grand divine co-creation, right? So if you're in a shitty mood and you're lying to yourself, you're saying I'm fine, right? You're going to go talk to so-and-so at the coffee bar and you're going to go man she was.
Speaker 3:she was so annoying this morning, why? That was you right Cause that was the you're, you're, you're projecting that energy Projection, meaning neutral, like that's just what you're sending out, right, right, so you're sending that out.
Speaker 1:So how does one become bulletproof?
Speaker 3:How does one become bulletproof?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like if you're going out into the world and you don't want, you want to be protected, you want to be radiating this positive energy. So you're bulletproof Like nobody can fit you. Yes.
Speaker 3:That's a great. I like that, yeah. Um, I think it starts with number one is you have to commit and not have to. The invitation is to commit to a daily practice. Right, it's like you brush your teeth every day. The things that you want to keep, you nurture and you practice. So your frequency and your vibe, however you want to look at that, requires work too.
Speaker 3:Well, how do I work on my frequency? It's really simple Meditation, affirmations, toning, just working with your frequency. And the cool thing is, wherever you're at in your evolutionary process, you've already been gifted the perfect practice for you, right? Whatever's in your awareness, right, whatever just popped into your head about oh man, that thing right, that's your practice. You know what I mean, because it's different for everybody. Right, what I do every morning is not going to work for you and what you do every morning is not going to work for me, right? The thing that matters is that you do it, and it's like it comes down to what makes you feel the most connected to the voice of love and your inner guidance. It's about understanding your psychic space, your energetic sovereignty, and this is. These are all like could be episodes in and of themselves, but it's like, really like. I think, if I could pinpoint it to one thing, you have to know what your energy is to be bulletproof.
Speaker 1:So it's that presence and awareness within yourself with yourself with yourself and taking responsibility for. Okay. I'm showing up in this way today and if I don't fix it before I walk out the door, it might be kind of difficult for me out there. So for the person that's going through the healing journey, I'd say right, listen to your intuition, trust yourself trust yourself and take the action, pay attention, use.
Speaker 3:Here's the biggest thing I think. Right, discernment, discernment, discernment. Right, you've got to like and that's why I think the integration is so important right, it's like right, because you can have the high experience, the ecstasy, the, the illumination, the, whatever you want to call it right. But you got to like sober up, you know, and I'm not saying that like, these things are drunkening but it's like sobering.
Speaker 3:That's why combo is really good. Bringing it back to combo combo, you know when you take a cold shower and it just come on, man, what are you doing? Right like that, like you want to be that for yourself. Right like discernment, right, you want to pay attention. And I right Like discernment, right, you want to pay attention. And I'm not saying like oh, pay attention.
Speaker 1:But like you know what I mean, be your own guru, be your own guru. Be your own shaman Tattoo it's. I can't really say it.
Speaker 3:But this tattoo, it pretty much breaks down to trust your inner teacher, and that is probably what I've been doing for years now. No-transcript, Like okay, what did you learn? What should you do? Like, flipping it back to the inner teacher, right, the inner higher self? Or the magic presence, the I am presence, the God there's so many names for it.
Speaker 3:But you get it the soul right Like that is ultimately the only spiritual path is and that's the key determining factor between a healthy, balanced, integrated life and not is are you navigating the seas of life with your compass, right that compass is? You have to basically bring your awareness back to the seat of your soul, your eternal self. It's like the remembering of that. The authority of the divine is within you.
Speaker 1:That statement I am is probably the most powerful statement.
Speaker 3:Meditate on that, Sit in the mirror and say that I am.
Speaker 1:I am.
Speaker 3:Jesus always taught people to meditate on that. I was just about to bring up Jesus. I love Jesus, I do.
Speaker 1:I was trying, jesus always taught people to meditate on that. I was just about to bring up Jesus, I love.
Speaker 3:Jesus, I do.
Speaker 1:Because what? And I was trying to think of what he said- I am the way of the truth, and the life. I am the way, yeah, and I translate it, and Chris and I kind of talk about this a lot is I translate it as I am the way, yes, like as in he's saying, you are the way.
Speaker 3:Or the I am is the way.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:I am is the way.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am, is the way he wasn't to me. This is how I translate it. He wasn't saying that the way isn't through Jesus, it's just trusting you, you are the way.
Speaker 3:Well, he was speaking from the Christ presence. Yeah, right, so the christ presence was saying I am the way, the truth and the life. Right, most people don't realize this christ, um, and I have a question to ask you after this christ was his title. Yes, it wasn't his name, right?
Speaker 1:it's like saying um swami, or king, or I don't know how to say, like, because I think of the, the crown chakra, so that's like the highest, the top, the top well, christos is greek for the anointed one and it's.
Speaker 3:It is also linked to the word, the greek word christos, which means fire oh, I learned, I didn't know that yeah, I've been really on like a gnostic christianity crick have you ever read the gnostic gospels? That was my question no, oh my god, that's like my new thing right now.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, what's the top thing you're learning there?
Speaker 3:So synopsis overview the Gnostic Gospels comes. It's from the Nag Hammadi Library, right. So it was found in Egypt 1945, in these clay jars, these books that were buried and these like hidden gospels and things that were burned and taken out of the Bible in the early third century, fourth century, that they didn't want, they didn't put into the biblical canon and they didn't want people reading. But somebody buried it in Egypt and it just came to light. So all these hidden sayings of Jesus and these like different gospels.
Speaker 1:Oh, I just got the chills. I can't wait to read it.
Speaker 3:So, like the gospel of Thomas is a really good one, that one's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:It's like.
Speaker 3:So it's. It's not a synoptic gospel. It doesn't tell a story of Jesus. It's 114 sayings of Jesus, basically.
Speaker 1:Wow. What is your take on Mary Magdalene?
Speaker 3:She's amazing.
Speaker 1:Why was she? Why is she known as, like, the prostitute? And so if you ask, uh, anyone who you know, is in. Christianity like the basic kind of Christian dogmatism of it?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:They just assume.
Speaker 3:Oh, she was just this prostitute chick Mary Magdalene.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not going to tell you I'm not going to say here's the truth.
Speaker 3:Right, because who knows? Right, I believe. Right, like why else would they cover something up like that? Right, I believe they were lovers.
Speaker 1:Yes, and that she was almost like I. I envision her as that. She was almost like his healer, yeah, and the medicine woman yeah, she was the medicine woman in that hebrew. Yeah, aramaic world and, and she would kind of like you know, help him.
Speaker 3:Have you ever read the magdalene manuscript?
Speaker 1:nope, I got like a whole library of books after this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, have you ever heard the connection between mother mary, jesus and isis and horus?
Speaker 3:no so you know the, the like, the popular symbol of, like Mother Mary, and she's got baby Jesus sitting on her lap, like just born. Well, those are all in like the chapels and churches of France and England and Italy, etc. If you go to Egypt, what do they have? They have Holy Mother Isis with baby Horus on her. Oh, wow, and it's the same story story. It's the same story isis, horus, osiris and jesus wow, like died and the whole dying god thing.
Speaker 1:Same story that's funny, because in hinduism krishna, krishna same story story, yeah, yeah, it's Like you know, once you go down that rabbit hole, it's hard to see things in another light.
Speaker 3:So Well, there's no. You know what that reminds me? Have you ever read the secret teachings of all ages? No, that one's like a whole encyclopedia. But he talks about, he has the teachings of Pythagoras in that one. You pythagoras in that one. You know pythagoras sort of. He was like not ancient greek, like before plato, before socrates.
Speaker 3:The saying of pythagoras he says it's um, it's an allegory, so I'll say it and then I'll explain it. He says, upon leaving your house, turn not backwards for this, lest the furies will be your attendance. And basically what he's saying is once you embark here here's a good, this is practical Once you embark upon the journey of healing, of awakening, of discovering the truth, of seeking however that looks for you, whether that be in mysticism, in ayahuasca, whatever it may, all or none of it, right. When you embark upon the journey, turn not backwards, for the furies will be your attendance, right once you leave your house, once you leave the ordinary world, the hero's journey kind of vibe. It's better to learn all of the truth and seek for all of the truth than to only learn half of it or a little bit of it and turn backwards. Because if you try, to turn around.
Speaker 3:after you have started to awaken and started to learn aspects of the truth, the, the furies will be your attendance. You'll just be tormented by your own degree of ignorance. And then you start walking the path of philosophy and knowledge and awakening and illumination. And you've grown and now you, like your eyes are open to a certain degree. Plato's allegory of the cave Once you know the flame that you've been staring at is the sun and you know that there is a sun, go to the sun. Don't turn back around. You can't sit there and watch the fire anymore because now you know it's not real. It's like, once the eyes are open, just go to the sun, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, mic drop. Well, how people find you.
Speaker 3:Instagram, my website too, iamjoshuamichaelcom. You can go there right now and you can sign up for the email list.
Speaker 1:Oh, there you go, Because it says coming soon.
Speaker 3:We're launching soon.
Speaker 1:Yay, yeah, so it's there and you'll have to hear the song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's called the Osirian Hymnal. It's basically about an aspect of the journey of darkness to light. Wow, wow yeah, incredible and walking the path and you have such incredible depth.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you, I appreciate you and I'm just so thankful for you being here and thank you sharing your energy yeah, and we'll have a retreat happening soon too yes we will we'll see you there, yay sedona cool, all right y'all. Thanks for tuning in. See y'all on the other side.