Midlife Revolution Unleashed

Breaking Out of the Man Box: Why Male Friendships Matter to Women

• Stacy M. Lewis & Wayne Dawson • Season 2 • Episode 58

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We explore the crisis of male friendships and how it affects men's mental health and relationships, particularly in midlife. The episode unpacks why men are increasingly isolated and offers practical solutions for rebuilding meaningful connections.

• Only 26% of men report having six or more close friends, down from 55% in 1990
• 17% of men report having zero close friends
• Many married men mistakenly count their wives' friends' husbands as their own friends
• Competition, vulnerability fears, and the "man box" prevent men from forming deep friendships
• Male loneliness often manifests as addiction, overwork, irritability, or withdrawal
• Men are taught to project being "alright" even when struggling
• The TCS model (Text weekly, Call monthly, See quarterly) offers a framework for maintaining friendships
• Younger generations are showing more openness to vulnerability in male friendships
• Women can support by modeling connection, inviting dialogue, and being "soft landing places"
• Men benefit from joining organizations and participating in shared activities with other men

Men, you don't have to be alone. If you're in any kind of pain or anguish, remember you are worthy. You deserve to be here for your friends, family, and most importantly, for yourself. Reach out and get help if you need it.


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Wayne:

you've just stepped into the midlife revolution, unleashed your space to ignite possibility, redefine purpose and embrace the power that comes with age and experience, co-hosted by yours truly, coach and I'm coach stacy m lewis.

Stacy:

We are-season coaches focused on the midlife community of color. This isn't just a podcast. It's a movement In a world that sometimes forgets the power and the wisdom that comes with age. We are here to ignite a revolution and rewrite the narrative of this incredible journey.

Wayne:

So, whether you're navigating your career, growing your business, rediscovering passions or challenging the status quo, this is your space. So buckle up, let's dive into the Midlife Revolution Unleashed. We made it. We made it. Hello, we are here another Tuesday with you as our friends, listening to Midlife Revolution Unleashed. We welcome you.

Stacy:

Stacy, what do you have to say about this new week? What I have to say is I have been dealing with some vertigo, so it's been quite the spinny week. But welcome to our Midlife Revolution Unleashed listening audience. It is indeed our honor to have you here, and if you are catching us, live, hey, hey now. If not. And if you are catching us, live, hey, hey now. If not, enjoy the replay. My name is Stacy M Lewis. I am a nonprofit executive, I am a lover of God and his people and I am a coach with an emphasis on midlife women, and it is always a joy to be here recording going live with Midlife Revolution Unleashed and my beautiful, handsome, wonderful co-host, coach Wayne.

Wayne:

She's talking about me y'all. Yeah, thank you, ms Stace. It is wonderful always every Tuesday when we get together and the energy is great. We throw it out there with the public. As you know, I'm Coach Wayne, the VIP coach.

Wayne:

I help men 40 and up or what we call midlife typically kind of saunter through, so that they land their best half of their life, the second half, Stacy, that brings us to an interesting show today, and you've been graceful to allow me really to feel this topic, and it's about men and their friendships. In fact, from a New York Times article that you shared with me, called when have All my Deep Male Friendships Gone, by Sam Graham Felsen, we got some ideas and I said, Stace, this is going to make quite a show. So today, you know, there's a thing happening A lot of men, even with people around them all the time, are going through loneliness, are going through loneliness and we want to talk about that because it's a feeling of not measuring up, being unworthy oftentimes and just not allowing themselves to let go and release from that man box. And today I'm going to be talking about stuff that the literature all over the place is alluding to, and that is men are afraid today, especially men of color, black men, of being vulnerable for some reason because it makes them look soft. And so here's one book, the man Box Breaking Out of the man box, and Tony Porter talks about it.

Wayne:

But he's not the only one Brother. We have a habit of not allowing ourselves to get closer to another brother because we think it makes us look soft, or effeminate and

Stacy:

Stacy

Wayne:

I'll shut up after I say this or effeminate and Stacy I'll shut up after I say this. But one of the things that we have noted is that men, especially as they get older, they typically don't make friends as readily as they did in the college years. And so, like I can speak for myself, I have, maybe, on one hand, brothers that I can call brethrens, like autical, as we say in Jamaica, friends, and these are men that I've known, for the most part at least 15 years, one or two recently, but the majority of them are older than that, and it's just easier to run like that Stacy.

Stacy:

Yeah, I think that there's such richness here and, if I could take a half a step back, I find the subject matter fascinating because A it's something we don't talk about a lot the value of friendships in the male gender, the what happens to their friendships over time and how that impacts us as women, as people, right, dealing with men. And I found the article so fascinating in that one thing that I never really considered was that many men say they have friends. Many grown married, maybe were married, maybe have children, maybe not. But really in the season of life where they say they have friends but it turns out that they really don't, they have a spouse or a partner and her friends have spouses and those are his friends. And so I thought that that was such a profound thought, because I'd never really looked at it that way and for some of our listening audience, they may hear that and be like yeah, we all know that.

Stacy:

Well, sorry, I didn't know. I was quite taken aback by that reality. We see it at our family cookouts and we go to an event with couples and you see that the gentlemen seem like they're cool or they're friends, but they're not really friends. And so I think that this is a really great opportunity to have a meaningful, rich conversation. We definitely want to welcome Dia and welcome Delane and everyone else in the listening room tonight as we talk about this idea of the male friendship gap and why it matters to women.

Wayne:

Thank you, that's true, Stacy. I'm going to steal a glance and look over my other screen where the stats are, and it says only 26% of men have six plus close friends, and which number went down since 1990 when it was 55%, right, so men are finding themselves less let me use this word loosely endeared to friendships with other men, and 17% of us report having zero close friends.

Stacy:

That's a lot.

Wayne:

That's a lot.

Stacy:

That's a lot. That's a lot of men, a lot of people that don't have one close friend. Yeah, that's a lot.

Wayne:

You know, stace, one of the things I and here is conjecture, but one thing that I know we're built oftentimes to compete and a lot of times that need to compete gets in the way of men getting together to collaborate. Getting together to collaborate, and you know, when you have a friendship, the idea is, yes, there was going to be a lot of competition, but typically you want to make sure that those rivalries are friendly. I think part of the and not having friends as we get older is that whole competition arena that we are raised to belong to and believe in so you can trust, because it's about you know, getting to know, like and trust people and in terms of longevity and duration, when you have friends over a period of time, they're tested and proven. Then you know there is no competition about that friend. They secure their space.

Wayne:

When you meet someone else, as time is going on, you may be working in business or a neighbor, or just you know someone that shows up on the radar, another male. It's kind of like if you've seen most animals in the wild. When you have two males that are in the same pride or pot, there's usually going to be conflict, right? Because of that need to push up the chest and compete, and I kind of feel like we still have some of that with us by way of our training and culture.

Stacy:

Yeah, it's interesting because one of the things we talked about we had a full show everybody in the green room before this episode went live, so I will refer to one of the things we talked about Listening to you. It just reminds me of that idea of the slow fade, right, that some of these male social norms that you're talking about, like competition, the roasting each other, throwing jabs at each other, don't necessarily foster bonding and that it happens over time. Right? The article talked about the slow fade of the male friendship. That happens, you know, through the college years, if that's your route or through those early working years into marriage or a partnership, into fatherhood, into career or business building, and all of those processes or those steps add to this loss or the shift in the friendships going down. Hopefully we don't go down to zero. Wayne, I know you're not as zero, but I'm still stuck at the 17% report, having zero close friends.

Wayne:

Yeah, part of it too. I think Stacy speaks to men not wanting to appear needed, and I know for a fact that women will call each other and say, hey, girl, such is happening, you know, get some advice and ask for support, advice and help. Brothers typically don't feel comfortable doing that. One is the vulnerability. The other thing, it makes us feel needy. So to call on a brother, especially if it's not typically we don't call each other every week, every you know.

Wayne:

So when you do call a brother, and as you get older too, what takes on is the form of another family that you're formed. So your friends that you had years ago are now focused, probably more so, on building their families or being in another role, as a father and a spouse, and so the idea that you hanging out and calling your boy it kind of goes down. You know, you get together, maybe have some brewski and watch the game and a barbecue once in a while, but that's not an every night thing. There are women who have relationships where they check in on a weekly basis or they go shopping and they do things together and that's kind of cool in that culture. But when men do that, it looks a little off and if you're calling your boy to say, hey, man, I'm feeling some kind of way, you're like that's too raw, it looks needy and nobody wants to hang out with a guy who is going to say I'm bleeding, you know.

Wayne:

And there's another book that I want to talk about, and an author, real briefly, and this is Jason Wilson. This is one of his books. I have a second one too, battle Cry, and he talks about the comprehensive man, and the comprehensive man I call it the holistic man is a man who is well-rounded, so you know, he has what I spoke on recently in a podcast with somebody else.

Wayne:

He has a divine you and I spoke about Stacy, the divine masculine and the divine feminine. You know you have to sort of intermarry both of those parts of self to be comprehensive and whole parts of self. To be comprehensive and whole, you have to be wholesome, to be healthy, right, and again, I'm just popping all the books. My good brother here just wrote this book, brother Paul Randolph Newell Heal Thy man, healthy man, and that's what it's all about. It's really all about finding your true self. But we don't want to feel exposed and naked as men, so we typically don't make friends that get too close and can see the authentic self, the half-filled self, not the whole self self, not the whole self.

Stacy:

Well, I think that the challenge, and really the premise of the article and part of the discussion right, is that that often leads to isolation. Whether it's behind the mask or shifting priorities, the cultural norm, all of that leads to isolation. And so my first question for the women is as a woman, what signs have I missed that the men in my life were disconnected or lonely? And for women we have to make sure we're not always taking this personally right you may be lonely even if you're there. Hi Curtis, it's good to see you in the house this evening. So what signs might we be missing? Or even, as we reflect, when may we have seen a sign and not necessarily acknowledged it or attributed it to his feeling disconnected or lonely?

Wayne:

Yeah, that's a good question. You know this is a very controversial book, but the dude is well known. We talked about it in the green room, David Dita, we talked about it in the green room.

Stacy:

David, dita, and that was a controversy.

Wayne:

Yeah, I'm just saying controversy and he posits a theory. He says that men who spend too much time with their women and women who with their men spend too much time I was there Very few outside friendships and relationships. You know Audrey, always my best friend, but uh, and to be honest, these days I've been spending a lot more time alone because I work from home and she works out. But when she's home we hang out, we do things together. I rather go to the gym with her than alone and that stuff. But there is an extreme men who spend too much time with their women, he says.

Wayne:

According to this guy, this author, they take on some of the woman's femininity. Let me explain. And the women take on the masculinity, that is to say the nurturing aspect, the so-called feminine divine of the male, which is, let's say, the woman likes to cuddle or just curl up and watch a movie and read. Or when you pass, you got to give her a kiss and you got to tell her a hundred times I love you. You mean a lot. That's Audrey.

Wayne:

Then men start taking on that because they have to appease and you know, they say happy wife, happy life, so to speak. So men start taking on those attributes and lose out. He says for men to regain their masculinity, they got to be more around men. Now, that's not to say that the men are effeminate in any way. I'm talking about the divine masculine and the divine feminine in us. So what he says is when men also, and women, spend time in isolation, especially when men are not taking on friends, you have to get more time in isolation and say no to a lot of the things that would allow you to be distracted from finding your inner wholesome self, your masculine energy, masculine self, if that makes sense. So I have a buddy.

Wayne:

Every year he goes on a silent retreat in the woods, and he finds his purpose renewed when he does that. So I guess to some extent that's what this is saying, that for us to be in tap with our fullest masculinity, we either have to surround ourself with more of the male energy or we got to be in solitude off the male energy or we got to be in solitude.

Stacy:

Hmm, yes, so sorry that my face was so contorted during that one. That was one that Wayne and I we were bantering back and forth a little bit, and I believe I don't necessarily have to agree, I did not read the book. Let me be clear about that, because I think that there's an interesting dynamic there when you talk about that. The masculine energy can be renewed, either amongst other men or in solitude, was. It's interesting to me that concept and one that we'll have to, we'll have to talk more about, we'll have to deep dive. Let's talk about Wayne, how, maybe how loneliness shows up or how some of this experience of lack of those types of connections, those important connections, show up.

Wayne:

Yeah so, and one may say but that's what happened when you're with the guys. But a lot of time the loneliness shows up when a man is out there and he's not connecting. Because connection, irrespective of how great chat, gpt and AI is, the one thing that it doesn't do for us is give us a soul to soul connection. It does connect. I was up one night, I remember, and I told Audrey and I tapped in to do some research and it said hello, wayne, why are you up so late? I was like I'm out of here, that was too much for you. But one of the things that is missing and we need to have that, to be honest is true connection at the heart level, at the soul level. And so sometimes, you know again, going back to that whole competitive sharing with men when, typically when, when your wife comes in and speaks to you about an issue we talked about this before the nurturing aspect of women allows them to process the thing they want, to just talk it through. You know, men typically want to set a goal and accomplish it. We have to find an end to it. That's the whole conquer and conquest and compete. We got to fix it. And so sometimes, when men get together, they're able to just get to the point and fix it all. They don't want to talk it through and all that, and they need each other for that. And so when they don't have that, the process of loneliness sets in and they will sit down, sometimes we and stew which invites, drinking which invites, you know, addictions in some other ways.

Wayne:

Right, I didn't know this, but and this may not be around the male to male connection. This may be obviously about intimacy, but a large portion of men are addicted to porn and I mean, like you know, I've had a few clients who spoke to me at different age levels about that, and that's another thing altogether. That's happening there a need to express, a need to rule over, need to conquer, because, listen, in an intimate sexual relationship with your significant other, you get feedback, right. So if you are doing something that she's not in for, she's going to tell you no. Well, in pornography, men are conquering. Oftentimes Men are doing what they want to do and there's no feedback. It's just what it is. Sometimes, when you have that sort of energy and I don't mean sexual energy to your friend, but with all that energy of being broken off and having true connections. Those things are more likely to happen than I think when you surround yourself with genuine friends and you can speak through your issues, if that makes sense.

Stacy:

I think it's a great example that you use, because we're talking about how the loneliness, how the disconnection, how not having male friends, can show up.

Stacy:

And what you really just highlighted was the possibility of addiction or acting out in ways really clinging to a productivity or clinging to a bad habit, identifying or over-identifying with work things that cause them to be disengaged even from the others in their life.

Stacy:

Right, it shows up in that disconnection with not just men that you may not have a friendship with, but it could show up with a disconnection or as a disconnection or irritability with the women or the people in your life. Right that you're really acting out this experience of loneliness in ways that are unhealthy. And I can certainly reflect on an experience when in a relationship, an intimate relationship, where that disconnection, know, and that there was no real friend that he had I guess he was in that 17% that we referred to earlier, right, so there's no one to really talk about with, even the issues he might be having in the relationship, because he's in that 17% with with the zero friends. So I just really think that this idea of understanding for women in particular, understanding how loneliness can show up in men, is a valuable lesson, even if you don't need it right now.

Wayne:

Yeah, another book and this is the last one I promised that I'd refer to tonight is this book Be the man by Garrett White, and he says that men are always lying. Oops, I shouldn't have done that. But he says men are always lying, and let me get into how he explains that. Because we wear a mask. Curtis will appreciate this. He speaks on that on his podcast. By the way, curtis and his wife. They're celebrating their anniversary tomorrow. Congrats, curtis.

Stacy:

Happy anniversary Curtis and bride.

Wayne:

And he says Garrett White. He says, because men are so busy wearing the mask and not being true to themselves and to the rest of the world, they are lying to themselves. If you tell a lie long enough, you start believing it. And so you know, typically, when us men, when we meet each other and we say yo, what's up, dude, everything cool, yeah, how you doing, I'm all right, I'm all right, is what we say to each other, very seldomly do we get to the truth and say well, you know, things are not looking so good, can't meet the mortgage this month. I need you to spot me alone, I'm having some problem in the house sexually.

Wayne:

What do you think? Men don't share those kinds of things. We are all right. And because we walk around telling ourselves that story, we got to believe it. That's what happens when you lie to yourself. It just, it's a cycle.

Wayne:

And when we do this Stacy, it's a lonely road. Because you can't share the lie, you got to hold on to it. And it gets us into a place where not only is there denial but there is harm. And because we're not coming out fully, we wind up oftentimes with self-harm. And I think it speaks to the rise of suicide in men. I don't have the numbers, but suicide for men has shot up, and for black men too, because we feel like we got to carry it alone and we don't. If only we would trust enough and open up enough to tell someone.

Wayne:

Because guess what? The men who oftentimes do these acts of self-harm and suicide typically don't look like they're about to do it. They show up and they're in charge. They're running corporations, they're doing things with their family and you think they're going to show up. They take a ride somewhere quietly and they blow them their brains out. You never knew. But the lie eventually becomes such a web that they, they weave it. They can't get out of it. And um, um, just a shout out If anybody knows anyone who is crying out for help or is too, too strong in a way that they probably have a fissure and they need some help, Check in on your boy, check in on them and make sure that you're there for them.

Stacy:

Well said.

Stacy:

There are definitely resources that we should all be accessing, if not for ourselves, for those that we care about and, as Curtis said, no, men don't share those things with each other and certainly that is something that I believe we can all encourage a sense of change.

Stacy:

Wayne, you and I also talked about in the green room some of the nuances in generations and how some of the men in younger generations and they have swung a pendulum. So, from that isolationism or the sense of masculinity, the masculine armor of not being able to be their authentic, vulnerable selves, I've seen able to be their authentic, vulnerable selves. I've seen, at least within some of my son's cohort, them swing that pendulum to the point where they are. They have a few of those trusted friends where they can be their real, authentic self, where they can say that they're hurting, where they can share what they're afraid of, and I think it's such a great opportunity. You and I had a conversation a number of episodes ago about multi-generationalism right and how there's so much to learn from different generations, and I'm hoping that even as we age, we can still utilize opportunities to look at other generations and see how they may have been able to swing this pendulum and really rebuild or establish from a point of reconnection, not from a point of isolation.

Wayne:

That's powerful and thanks for sharing and bringing that up again, Stacy. There is truly a difference. Notice of a difference across generations. Uh, I think I belong to the last of the baby boomers, just at the end, the cusp, and the generation after me has a more liberated sense.

Stacy:

Yes.

Wayne:

And then the millennials as well, and certainly the Zs, are totally open, you know, even to the point where gender identification is sometimes to us, the older generation, a little bit confusing. But what has happened is because of so much of the trauma that the older we are, the closer we were to it generationally, the more locked in and protective we are of that space. And so when it comes to people in our space, there is this distrust. Oftentimes the walls have been leveled a lot more with time and you know, listen, I growing up I didn't know how brothers in Africa were living, but today it's easy to have great friendship with folks, friendships with folks across the pond and across the water, because those barriers are down and you can build more enduring relationship. You can with more transparency, more understanding, more trust and so forth, and it's easier for men to then the younger generation to share in a more authentic way their feelings and connections across the board with each other and oftentimes don't feel as threatened as if it's taken away their manhood. So that happens, I think.

Stacy:

So, wayne, talk about your TCS model, this, this idea of reconnection. Right, we talked a lot about the downsides of being isolated, of men lacking friendships, yet we certainly would never want to depart an episode on a downside note or as if there is no hope. We are all on a growth trajectory, so let's talk about that a little bit, wayne what reconnection can look like.

Wayne:

Stacy, you're just the perfect co-pilot. I keep drifting off. We're supposed to be going to Barbados but, if you allow me, we land up somewhere in Hong Kong. So you keep redirecting the road.

Wayne:

Teamwork teamwork, babe, teamwork, okay, I love it. So, tcs model, here's a recommendation, and it's not mine wholly, but the idea is that if you're building friendships and you can you're not too late, too old to have it and it's important. Nobody wants to spend their last years alone. Trust me, t is talk or call once a week. I think that's the yeah, weekly. I'm sorry, I thought your T was texting.

Stacy:

It is text, it is text. I'm always trying to keep up with Wayne it is text.

Wayne:

I'm always trying to keep up with Wayne, always trying to keep up, keep redirecting the navigating. It is texting, t for texting Text, at least once a week, and then C is call, call is at least once a month and S is see, or connect visually, once every quarter. It's a model that helps to sustain and even refresh a relationship, helps to build a friendship. You got to feed it.

Wayne:

I have friends, like I said, for 30 years, and we talk maybe on Father's Day which reminds me I got to call them this Sunday and we talk maybe Christmas or New Year's.

Wayne:

We forget birthdays, but when we get it, we get it. Man, nobody really gets mad about that, you know, and it's cool, you know, because we know we bona fide friends. But I could do a better job and I trust, trust me, when I haven't heard from my boys in a long, long time, I don't call them necessarily to say yo, man, what's up, I missed you. But I do, you know, and it's important, I think if you have a system like we just talked about, you know, send a text just to say what's up, you saw the game once a week, you know, make that call. Hey, how's the family? Congratulations. See your kid graduated once a month and uh right, or the end of a quarter, you know. Connect with your boy. Now that may mean Zoom for a lot of people, but listen, you can probably take the drive or fly if that's necessary and do something together too.

Stacy:

Well, I think, in this age of technology, right, we at least do have Zoom to your point where we can do that quarterly, face-to-face, even if it's not in person. What I'd like about the presentation of the model is that friendships require intention, and, you know, texting, calling and seeing on some type of consistent basis requires intention, and it's just one way we want to really support and encourage the normalization of friendships in men, of true, heartfelt, vulnerable friendships in men. As a woman, all I can do is encourage it. Thus why we're having this conversation. Right, we really want to.

Stacy:

We are not meant to do this alone. I don't have a scripture, but I'm sure that there's one brewing in the back of my mind, but we really are not meant to do this alone. And this idea of so many men, such value that they add to families, to communities, to jobs, to the business sector, of this population, of people suffering because of lack of friendship, suffering in isolation, does not have to be. And so you know, we can look at or frame friendship as fitness, and it requires some reps, right that you were talking about the texting, the calling, the seeing. And it requires intention, and our hope here is that you've gleaned a little something and even as women, we can support when we see the approach or the attempt even at rekindling friendships or reconnecting with men, the men in your life, reconnecting with men in a way that is healthy and strengthening and empowering.

Wayne:

Yeah, and Stacy, if you're a guy, get an organization that you can belong to participate in. Do an activity. It doesn't have to be vigorous sports or whatever, but just something where you have other men around you to keep your testosterone up. But, seriously speaking, it's just important, I think, that men recognize that you don't have to do this alone. I think that men recognize that you don't have to do this alone, and sometimes it's a little bit uncomfortable if it's only your significant other that you can share with, because sometimes guys just don't want to be taken for granted, and that happens when you have a long lasting relationship or an intimate relationship.

Wayne:

Sometimes you just want to get input from someone that has proper. Sometimes you just want to get input from someone that has proper discernment, not a wayward man who's going to take you off the path Right, but just to have that encouragement and somebody else, especially brothers who are in pain and are alone. Brothers, listen, seriously, I'm going to look straight in the camera. You don't have to be alone. I'm going to look straight in the camera. You don't have to be alone. If you're in any kind of pain or anguish, you are worthy. You deserve to be here for your friends, family or, more importantly, for yourself. So reach out and get help if you need that.

Stacy:

Absolutely, absolutely. My words of encouragement to the women of the midlife Revolution Unleashed audience are twofold One, we want to be a model, but not apply pressure. It doesn't have to be our way. We want to invite dialogue but respect the space. And, as importantly, we want to be a soft landing place for men, not just our intimate partners. I have a brother, and it reminds me that even in my conversation with him as an older sister, I still have the opportunity to be a soft landing space, somewhere where he can just be, and it doesn't mean that I'm expecting him to fix anything or make anything better, but he's just allowed to be present. And so I encourage women to make sure that they are bolstering themselves up in ways whether it be with their friendships, their close friendships, but in ways that support them being a soft landing space for the men in their lives.

Wayne:

That's it. And Stacy, as always, I'm available. If there is a brother out there who needs some kind of support, who needs support in terms of, uh, hold on to afford you know, I'm happy to refer them out. And if they need some coaching up just to figure out to get to the next level, I'm there for that Stacy. How can the sisters reach out to you?

Stacy:

Stacy, how can the sisters reach out to you? Oh, I'm always available.

Wayne:

If you are here on Facebook or LinkedIn, you know how to reach me through DM, but I can always reach through my website at thestacymlewiscom. What's going on with you, sir Wayne? Hey, Stace, I would say go ahead and hit the site VIPTransformativeLivingcom. You'll see all of my handles there, my link tree and all my handles. Just DM me or send me an email and I'll be getting right back at you so that we can be better when I see you at the top.

Stacy:

Yes, yes, yes, I'm just going to give a moment of accountability when I see you at the top. Yes, yes, yes, I'm just going to give a moment of accountability. So, as Wayne builds his community of men of support, of encouragement, of empowerment, he'll keep you posted.

Wayne:

Thank you, Stacy. Let's say bye to the folks for now.

Stacy:

God bless.

Wayne:

See you next week. Have a good night. Thank you for joining us. And there you have it, folks, this week's episode of the Midlife Revolution Unleashed. Hey, we truly appreciate your spending this time In this space with us. Join us next week At the same time as we dive into relevant topics and present solutions to spark new thinking and empower your midlife journey.

Stacy:

And don't forget if you enjoyed today's episode, let us know in the comments and share it with others. And, of course, remember to subscribe, share like. Hit that notification bell. You are the midlife revolution unleashed. I'm Coach Stacy and I'm cheering you on.

Wayne:

And I'm Coach Wayne and I'll see you at the top.