Chores VS Expectations

In this episode of the Rise & Build Podcast, we unpack the difference between chores and expectations. Understanding this distinction helps parents set clear boundaries, teach responsibility, and create a healthy rhythm at home.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Welcome. My name is Kendra Morgan, and I'm the host of the Rise and Build Podcast, where we hope to empower you to rise up and build a strong family, knowing you have to strengthen your hands to do the good work. Come with us as we rise and build. Hey you guys, welcome to the Rise and Build Podcast. Today I am setting across from Melissa Morrow and Andy Arbuckle. They are both child development specialists here at Building All Children. So you have three child development specialists that are going to conquer chores versus expectations. So the way that this came up and this topic came up is after we assess a child, we were talking because anytime we assess a child, we ask them what their chores are, what their responsibility is, correct? Yep. And we started to get a lot of the same answers, like, um, well, one of my chores is brush my teeth. Make my bed. Well, yes. Yeah. Or even one little boy was like, I have to put my shoes on. And we were like, okay, that's not a chore, that's an expectation. So we just started talking in in in the office. And then I ended up going on channel six, and you guys felt like that would be a good topic. So I covered chores and expectations on channel six on my my monthly segment. And then it just people started calling with questions and thoughts and couldn't figure out what they were doing wrong and what they were doing right, and it kind of became confusing. So that is what we're going to talk about today. I feel like our listeners know you guys because you've been on, but let's go ahead and introduce yourselves just in case if we have a new listener.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

Okay. I'm Andy, and I'm one of the child development specialists on staff. I've got three kids. They are 13, 10, and 8.

unknown 1:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:49

Um, and this is a fun topic because it's something we deal with every single day. Right? I love it. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

I'm Lisa Morrow. I'm also a child development specialist. I also have three kids, nine, seven, and almost three. And this is our everyday life of helping around the house and getting stuff done so that our family can run appropriately and keep our ship going. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Okay, so let's just break it down simple. Um, because I really want this to be pretty practical that people can apply this to their lives and to their homes and make a difference. So, Andy, talk to us about chores. Why are they important? What is a chore?

SPEAKER_00 2:27

What does that look like? Okay, so we know that chores are super important. And there was actually a recent study that came out. I don't know if you've seen it, Kendra. It came out from Harvard. Um, it was a good longitudinal study, but it said that kids they found that kids that had chores had much better long-term outcomes into adulthood. I love it. Um, so it's linked to better career success and it's linked to better relationships down the road. So we know that they matter because they impact um their life. Yeah. And it does so much developmentally. So much developmentally. It allows kids to learn executive functioning skills, they get to learn how to follow routines and rhythms, how to do things over and over again that aren't necessarily fun, um, how to um take care of themselves and take care of others.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

It's a start and finish, usually. So we always say it's teaching them to work hard. Um, okay, so and we'll kind of break down like age-appropriate chores. Yeah, we'll get there a little bit later. So we know a chore, so let's talk about that big word expectation. Um what is an expectation, Melissa?

SPEAKER_03 3:37

Well, really, it's just driven by responsibility and belonging. And our goal is to just keep the house running. Um, it's just those general standards that we need our family to have of being respectful, keeping our area tidy, and being helpful.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

So I think that's where this has gotten complicated, is because every household is different. Every household has different expectations. So my house might look really different from your house, and your house might look different from my house. And I think it's not black and white. There's some gray. And I think that's where some of our families kept quizzing us on this because they want it they want a quick answer so they can just follow that answer, but it looks different. Yeah. Okay, so we know different households do things differently, and that's something that I think we should spend some time on, but I don't want to get away from chores and expectations. So we know what a chore is, we know what an expectation is. Could you give us an example of the difference? Oh, you bet.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

So if you think about at the end of supper, everyone's done, we need to be cleaning up. So your children's job or their expectation in the family of being tidy and helpful is to bring their dish over to the sink, rinse it, and load it in the dishwasher.

SPEAKER_00 4:50

A chore of that would be perhaps the next morning when everything's done, somebody needs to go and unload the dishwasher and put everything away. So the expectation was that you took care of your own things and you kept the household running. The chore is perhaps something that um goes above and beyond that, but that serves the entire family.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Okay, I like that. Yeah, that's a great example. Um, so when should chores start?

SPEAKER_00 5:21

I think chores should start from the time your child can walk. I love that. So early. I really think people realize they should start. Yeah, I mean, I think if your child can walk and toddle around and take instructions, you change their diaper and you say, Here's your diaper, go throw it in the trash. Okay. That right there is the very beginning of chores. They're helping, they're contributing, they're taking care of their own things.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

They're put throwing trash away.

SPEAKER_03 5:46

There's so much they can do at that age that we don't realize. And I think there's a lot of scaffolding that we can do with our kids. Your toddler may not be able to go exactly open the trash can just like you want, do it the way that you have perfected it. So if you're holding one part of the diaper while your toddler's holding the other part of the diaper, you're scaffolding or building them up and showing them where the trash can is as a reminder and then give them a high five when they're done with it. You might have to do that for other chores by doing it with them or showing them exactly how it's done.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Yeah, that's good too, because I feel like that we hear that a lot. The parents just kind of unload the dishwasher because their kids don't do it perfectly, or it's just easier to to do it themselves than teach their children how to do it. Um so it's it's really it's teaching them appropriate steps and building them and teaching them how to complete a task.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Yeah, and one example we thought of is um instead of saying go clean your room, you might say, I need you to go put all the clothes in your room in the hamper.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Oh, perfect.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

So we're scaffolding down instead of this big general um chore, we're really breaking it down so they know exactly what steps need to take place, especially when they're learning.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Yeah, because it's overwhelming. It's overwhelming to go clean a room. And parent we hear parents say, I get so mad at him, he won't listen and he won't follow order, but it's just such a big task in their mind, they don't know how to organize it. Yeah, especially with the little ones, you've really got to break it down. Awesome. Okay, so should we talk about like what are what are some age appropriate chores? What what age should children be doing certain things?

SPEAKER_00 7:22

I think toddlers, two and three-year-olds, can wipe up spills. If they spill something, they can go get a rag and start cleaning it up with your help, of course. They can put their tour toys away, they can clean up the toy room, they can feed a pet. What else?

SPEAKER_03 7:39

They can help put laundry away, give them a little tiny basket of socks, or let them take up all of their underwear and they run it up. Again, it's not going to be perfect, and that has to be okay in your mind. That the way that they're doing the chore, it's getting done, but not to perfection. And then once they do it, I think it's important that you are not there making it perfect right after them because that kind of negates the whole idea of them even completing the task. If it's not right, then they're not going to start doing it anymore.

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Yeah, I love that you said that. Because I think naturally we want our house to look nice. So we go behind them and kind of pick up, but it doesn't build confidence when you do that. So you kind of have to just turn away and let it be. That's good. What so those are two-year-olds.

SPEAKER_00 8:22

Those are two-year-olds. I think preschoolers, so four to six-year-olds, they can make their bed, they can set the table. That's one of my favorite ones because there's um you can teach them like where the fork goes and where the knife goes and where the cups go and um put placemats out. So there's a specific order to setting the table, so that's good for kids to practice that order.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

Um I like that one because it's an everyday one, and so is getting the mail. And if you have more than one kid, they're gonna fight over it's my day to get the mail. No, you did it yesterday. So we've started doing even and odd. So if it's an odd number, one kid always does the chore or the task. If it's an even number, the other kid gets to do it.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Especially those fun chores. Yes, like getting a mail.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

Yeah. What about those families? We hear all the time that it says, Okay, I started chores, it was great for two days, but I couldn't stick with it. And so how it's just too much work on my end.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Yeah, I think a lot of times we try to make it too formal.

unknown 9:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

So we try to make checklists, which I think there's a time and a place for a checklist. If you know you need the structure of that checklist, you should do it. Um, but it goes deeper than that. And I think that it's more about just setting the expectation that we help each other, we contribute, we have a culture of helpfulness and working together. So if you if you find yourself failing with a system, try to just shift your mindset to more like what can we do to serve each other and doing that daily.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

And you don't need to bite off every single chore and every single expectation. Choose one or two to work on for a week and then add another one the following week, or add two more. Just kind of go at your own pace instead of completely rearranging your whole life.

SPEAKER_02 10:09

Yeah, and it looks different, right? Because the seasons are different. They'll be in sports one season, and so that kid that has late soccer might not be able to take the trash out. And so I think it's okay. I think for some reason we have in our heads that it has to just be this very black and white, rigid, right? But it's really just kind of looking at your home and figuring out, okay, at this season, this is what we need. Um, and it's okay to change that up. Kids need to be flexible with some of that. As far as the having one or more kids, we hear that. I love the even and odd numbers. Is there anything else? Like, even we hear a lot, um, it causes children to fight. They're it's not fair. I don't want to do that. I always have to do that. Um, we did, we got to interview some children on chores and expectations. It was so fun. Um, so I think our listeners will get to see that. But one of the families that I interviewed, one of them hated the dishwasher, but the other one loved doing the dishwasher. So it's figuring out what they're good at too.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Absolutely. How do we do that? Um, I think you just rotate it around and you encourage kids to have a happy heart no matter what job they get. Um, and I always tell my kids, if you don't like a job, just wait a little bit because you're gonna be asked to do something else soon. Um, so it'll be it'll be someone else's turn to do that job in no time. I uh one thing we do at our house a lot is after school and work and when we're kind of cleaning up or getting ready for the evening, I'll give each kid a room. So I'll say, okay, you go, you're in charge of the living room, you're in charge of um the entryway, and you're in charge of the laundry room. And they know they've got to go tidy up that space and get it ready to enjoy for the evening before daddy comes home. So you can get creative with it. It doesn't have to just be set things that they know they have to go do.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

And I like the idea of rotating it. So it's not always, I'm always the laundry room, I'm always this. Because we feel like that as adults too. I don't always want to make supper, but here I am doing it every night.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

But it's the worst still has to be done. The worst phrase is what's for dinner, right? But we have to do it three times a day. Um, but I think it's so it's so good to hear it, hear you say that, Andy, because I feel like we have some families that are like, if they don't like it, they don't have to do it. And sometimes we have to do things we don't like. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 12:39

And I think it's okay too, as the parent, to say, like, there are some things I don't like to do either, but it has to be done. We're all on the same team, and maybe that's a point of connection for you guys that you're like, all right, everyone's doing their jobs, let's turn on some music and we can listen to it while we do our jobs, or when we're all done, let's go outside. It's been a hot day, let's grab a popsicle. Yeah. Try to make it fun.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

Make it fun and let them use their strengths. Like um, I know our Addy, anytime she cleaned her room, she rearranged her furniture. It was just something she wanted to do. And at first, it would drive me crazy. And I still to this day don't know how that child would move her bed by herself. But I realized like that was kind of her creative side of cleaning, where Maggie was like way more organized, would have never done that, kind of likes things to be consistent. So you kind of have to know their strengths.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

Yeah, and I think it's great for you to know that like Addie's clean room may not look like Maggie's clean room. And that's okay. It's what are they capable of? What is their best? And really, best effort is what I'm always after.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

I love it. So, okay, I heard you say executive functioning. Um, that is kind of one reason we do recommend chores because it's a start and finish, but it ha they have to organize their mind to complete the task. But our listeners might not know what that is. So, could you guys explain that?

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Yeah, I feel like we could do a whole episode on that, actually. Um, but executive functioning skills are just the way your brain organizes what needs to be done, and it takes so many um things happening in your brain to make that happen, things that you don't even think about. So it takes um task initiation is part of it, prioritization is a little bit, planning, time management. How long is it going to take me to unload the dishwasher? Even sustained attention. So can I work on this even though I'm bored with it?

SPEAKER_03 14:29

And that working memory of, oh man, where does mom put the plates? Oh, this is a weird casserole dish. I wonder where this goes. Figuring out how to solve that problem instead of just setting it on your counter and walking away and not finishing unloading the dishwasher.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

And those are skills that we need to carry on into our working life, um, into adulthood, into parenting someday. So those are truly foundational skills that set the stage for everything.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Love it. Okay, that's awesome. Um, as far as um transition and helping them get to the next task, um, we have a lot of families that just say, we go to bed and nothing got done. I don't know how to push them to get it done. I don't know how to transition from coming home, winding down to completing a task. Do you have any advice for helping with those transitions?

SPEAKER_03 15:20

I think just setting the stage for your being part of the group as well as the adult. And I know it's frustrating and it might be a little bit chaotic when you're trying to get it all done, but trying to slow down and remind yourself that you're teaching your child, you're not just a rat race from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. You have to slow down and teach them. Um, some verbiage that we like is using when this is done, then this. So when you have put up your backpack, then we're having a snack. It sets the foundation and you stick to those guns. You don't let them have a snack until it's done. And start with an easy layup. If they haven't done it before, give them one that they can do, like hanging up their backpack. That's a very simple task, but then still gets the reward of then we get to do this.

SPEAKER_02 16:08

That's good. Um, talk to me about discipline insures. So if they don't do it, what what do we do if we just have a kid that's like, no, I'm not gonna do that?

SPEAKER_00 16:20

I would say then you're not going to do anything you want to do. Okay. Um, and I think it's okay to have those consequences. So if you don't contribute to the group, and in my mind, if you can't be part of the group and helpful in our home, you definitely can't be helpful outside of our home because our home is where everything starts and grows from. And so we would back it up and say, This weekend you're not gonna be able to go to your friend's house like you wanted to, because you need to show us that you're able to do the things that are expected of you in our home so we can trust you outside of the home.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

That's good. Andy, that made me think of when we have our clear expectations for our kids of if you can't be nice to your sibling, then you're not gonna be able to go see your friends. That's an expectation of our children, that they are kind to one another. So that would be more on the expectation side rather than the chore side.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

That's good. Yeah, no, that is good. I love that you in some ways I feel like Andy's talking more about the chores and Melissa's talking more about the expectations. So it might help the listeners kind of understand the difference because I feel like that's where we had um the most struggles with. Do you guys mind thinking of um just some families that I mean, we recommend chores almost to every family if they're not doing it? Um, I even had a family, it was unique, but I had a family last week that I asked the little boy if he'd cleaned his house or did any chores, and he said no, because our house is cleaned, which I thought, I mean, we just don't ever get that. Um, but I talked to the the dad is a stay-at-home dad, and he was like, honestly, I never even thought about the having him complete anything in the house. And it's really to help the parents too, so they're not doing everything, but it's it goes all back to the developmental things. Do you guys have some stories of families that you've talked to them about chores?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I can think of one family um fairly recently that we talked about this a lot. The child was struggling with low confidence. And so one of the things we recommended was having some increased responsibility in the home. Um, so we set up a little chore system to get them started. They did it for I think a couple of months, and mom reported back like we're seeing more confidence that's overflowing into school now. I love that. Um, and so they really do go hand in hand. Yeah, that's good. Can you think of anything else, Melissa?

SPEAKER_03 18:44

Yeah, recently we've had some families talking about themselves saying our house is slightly chaotic. So without adding more to that parent of them doing more tasks, more chores for themselves and for their family, we would suggest more of a checklist type of situation. I know that adds more to the parent to do, but you're relieving your stress to the kid and they have a job to do and a job to complete. So when they can check off that, oh yep, I did pick up my room, or yep, I did unload the dishwasher, that's a good visual for them and also a good visual to check in back with you that you know those tasks are getting done without you having to micromanage every little thing. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

So, with that, let's talk about chores. So we had Karen Gurley on here and she talked to us about finances. If you have not listened to that podcast, I encourage you to listen to her. She, it was so informative, so good. But she I asked her because she's kind of a finance person, and I asked her what she thought if chore if kids should be um paid, if they should get, you know, allowance or money for their chores. And she felt like it doesn't have to be all the time, but she felt like it is a good way to teach them the value of a dollar, how to save, how to give, what to do with it. What do you guys feel about allowance?

SPEAKER_00 20:04

I never want to pay the kids for the expectations because I don't get paid for taking care of myself either. Yeah. Um, however, I'm okay with some over and above sort of chores than getting a little bit of money for because I want them to connect the dots that hard work is important and we get paid through working hard. And that's part of the way life works. Um, so I'll sometimes have a kiddo that's like saving up for something, and I'm like, I'm happy to give you a list of some of the extra chores around the house. You complete them, then you can get paid for those to save up for whatever it is you're working towards.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

That's great. I like that. At our house, it's the same. We do, if you know, you're working for something and you want a little more money. So the kids have been going to the neighbors and asking, Hey, can I bring your mail up to your house every day? So it was their idea that they get to go, you know, for three dollars a week. They have to do it every single day to take their mail up. And they're earning money in the outside world, not just at our house. Um, in our house, we also don't give them money for doing their chores. It is really just an expectation that you're being kind and sweet and respectful. And if you ask if you can get an ice cream later that night, I'm happy to purchase that for you because you're showing me that you are responsible and helpful and kind. Okay, I like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:23

Let's talk a little bit about older kids. So I know we covered age appropriate for like two through, I think, six. What if I'm sitting here listening to this and I have older kids that are eight, nine, ten, eleven, maybe even older than that, and I've never done this, but uh I realize I haven't taught them the value of starting a task, finish finishing the task, working hard, and I want to start it. Maybe they don't even want to do it. Like, can we talk about the older kids? Um first, let's talk about how to incorporate that and then also some age appropriate for that age.

SPEAKER_03 21:57

For sure. Um, so we definitely need to have the Buy in, and we need to build your culture inside your home of doing chores and having those expectations. And the first step is that you just start, choose again a layup one, one that would might be easier for them to accomplish. You're gonna have that confidence and you're gonna kind of get that ball rolling. So for your seven, eight, and nine-year-old, get the mail. That's something exciting because there might be something in there for them, or they might want to bring it up to the house. And they can also use that skill set of bringing stuff in, closing the door behind them, and then that praise I think is important that you notice that they did something outside the box of their normal self. So it might sound like a broken record that you're like, I'm so proud of you. Thanks so much for doing that over and over again. But it's that confidence and you're getting that ball started for them.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

Yeah, one thing we used to do um is I knew my middle child loved to write. Paper and pencil was her thing. And so she would make the grocery list. And as she got older, that was like as we ran out of things, she was in charge of keeping that list. And then I went to the store with that list. So you kind of have to think about their strengths, what they enjoy doing to get them motivated, I think at this age, because you throw a bunch at them, they're not gonna want to do it. And so you kind of need to know what their strengths are to kind of push them to do something that they're good at so they have a little bit of success. And the older they get, I think they can get the mail and sort the mail and know what junk mail is versus bills, um, and even organize it in that way too. What are some older things that the kids can do, some older skills?

SPEAKER_00 23:33

I'm even thinking about like my 10-year-old plus, um, they started doing their own laundry and it has been a game changer for our household. Yeah. Because it's taken so much off of me. Now I'm still managing is did it get switched? Right. Are we actually doing it? Are we putting it away? Um, but I think that is a life skill that has really made an impact on our home. Right. So it's okay to think about like what could I have them do that would really help me out too? Yeah. Um, but I think eight, nine, ten-year-olds can absolutely help with the laundry. They can have a we like doing a day of the week. So each kid has a day of the week that they know that their job is to start and complete their laundry that day. So they put it in in the morning. I'll often switch it in the afternoon, and then in the evening they fold it and put it away.

SPEAKER_02 24:19

I love it. And I think it's okay to know it's not going to be done perfect. No, it's not. Um, I remember when we taught this, I feel like I'm picking on my Addy, but she somehow got a blue sock and all the whites, and all of our whites were blue for, I mean, a long time. And it kind of became a joke when we would look down and we were all wearing blue socks. They were real pale, real light blue. Um, I didn't want that. But you know what? It's okay. It's totally fine. And so you're gonna have to know that they're not gonna do things perfect, and it's gonna end up probably not the way you would have done it, but it's still building skills. So and I'm pretty confident that when she gets her own house, she will not put pink or blue with our whites.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

So I think for our older kids as well, we can add in, they want to do that risky stuff. Yes, they want those adult things to do. So for our little kids, we would suggest like a clipboard. Every little kid loves a clipboard because it's a grown-up tool. For our older kids, they want to do those big kid things, those more grown-up ideas. So, like cooking simple foods, yes, I think is maybe would be like your gateway for them to say, like, if I can trust you to get the mail every single day and do these smaller tasks, I can trust you to turn the oven on. You're building a skill set for them and having that kind of end game for them of using the stove or using the oven. R whyot loves to cook eggs every morning. So I told them if you can be responsible enough to do these three tasks, then I'm happy to trust you to make eggs by yourself. Of course I'm in the house.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

But that's good. But that's good because that's a I mean, that's a developmental question that we ask those older kids is do you ever fix anything on your own in the kitchen? Um, and it doesn't have I mean, we don't want them boiling water, we want them to be safe and be careful, but we also know it's just giving them the opportunity to learn those skills using knives.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Let them start with making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich using a safer knife, and then eventually while you're cooking dinner, they can use one of those plastic knives to cut up vegetables, or then actually use a real knife to cut up the vegetables. Even my two-year-old will take the little veggie chopper and I'll chop them up, and she pulls the little string and it chops them all the way up. She's two and just stands at the counter and does it for me. It's not perfect, but she's helping and seeing that it's going into our food as well.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

And I think the kids are so much more capable than we ever give them credit for. Yes. They can do so much more. Like so many parents are yeah, I guess they could do that. I just never thought about it. Um, so I challenge every parent, think about what is your child capable of that they're not currently doing for themselves, and then put that back on them.

SPEAKER_02 26:55

Well, and that's another question we ask is do you dress yourself or did mommy put that dress on you? And we have so many like four or five-year-olds that say, Well, mommy dressed me today, and they are perfectly capable of doing it. It's just easier to throw it on them real quick, but it's a skill that they have to learn. So that's an expectation, right? Um, so yeah, I think that we can always push them to be a little bit better, and we have to know we have to train him, train him to do the chores and to complete the tasks. It's not easy.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

My 10-year-old son just started mowing the lawn and he loves it because it's a little bit risky, right? It feels like a grown-up um job, but he's doing a great job with it. Um, however, he's been watching his dad and helping his dad mow the lawn for the last year plus. Um, so just remember you can't just like throw them into things. Yeah, you've got to really model it, slow down, teach and train them, and then they're ready to take off with it.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Yeah, and it's okay to have seasonal chores like breaking the leaves, or you know, in the summer cleaning the pool, or um, you can also add some seasonal chores in that too. Okay, anything else you want to wrap up with chores or expectations?

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Just start. Yeah. Just get going, give them some jobs to do and see how it goes.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

And our ultimate goal is to raise responsible, well-adjusted individuals. So starting with being kind, helpful, and respectful in your house is really gonna give you a lot of runway when they're grown-ups and our older kids as well. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

If um we have a listener that wants our chore list, um you can go to buildingallchildren.org, click resources, scroll all the way down to the bottom. Um, we have a blog post on chores. It's broken down on how to do it, kind of what we talked about today. So that is an easy way for them to get some resources. Okay, so we always close out with a scripture. Um, Building All Children believes in the Bible. We like to turn our families back to the truth because we know that it is active and alive. Do you guys have a scripture you would like to share?

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Yes, we chose Galatians 6, 2, which says, carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. And we love that because it's just really ultimately expectations and chores are about serving our household, serving the other members of our family, figuring out ways to be helpful and to bless each other.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

I love it. You guys are awesome, full of wisdom, full of knowledge. We are so grateful that you got to share expectations and chores and what's the difference between them. Thank you for your wisdom. Let us close with a word of prayer.

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