Reacting to Mike Winger talking about Certain Theologies.

On this Episode we react to Mike Winger Talking about Different Jewish Theologies.

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SPEAKER_01 0:09

Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Welcome to Faith Fiction and Folklore, or as we like to call it, the Try F podcast, where we try not to F the podcast up. Um, which I'm pretty sure we've already done tonight, but that's okay. Well we're trucking along. And uh this this this segment tonight we're gonna talk about Mike Winger. He did a video called What is a a Jew? And I think that's pretty funny. Gary, I think it offends him a little bit. Trevor doesn't care at all. And um you know, so we're gonna find out what a Jew is. I think I'm gonna start calling them Sadducees, just for clarity, because that's what Jesus called it. Gary, how are you tonight?

SPEAKER_01 0:58

Prickly, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

Prickly.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

Prickly.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Hey Trevor, how are you? Are you a cactus as well?

SPEAKER_03 1:06

I can be whatever cactus you want me to be. Oh, how about a fuzzy one? I'll be fuzzy wuzzy.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Fuzzy cactus. Huh. Okay, alright. Well, are we ready, boys? Yeah. Sweet, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Hey, um, what is a Jew according to the New Testament in particular? I'll talk about the Old Testament briefly, but what is a Jew according to the New Testament? That's the focus. Um, I know that this enters into a bunch of hot-headed stuff that people are engaging in today. I'm not actually really trying to weigh in on all that stuff. Uh, I really want to answer the question in the New Testament, how is the term used? And I think it's interesting, it's fascinating, it's theologically deep. And we're gonna spend a little bit of time on it, and then I'll go to your guys' questions from the live chat. My name is Mike Winger. I am here to hopefully, God willing, with God's help, help you learn how to think biblically about everything so that you're truly able to process what scripture says about not only theology, but about your life situations, the feelings you're going through, the temptations you're facing, the sorrow and trauma of your past, like all of this stuff. Uh, because scripture is an aid in all of those things to us. It is God's inspired, absolutely inspired, um, God-breathed gift to us. So let's dig in. First, I want to show you the Old Testament. Okay, I know that there's a lot of people who are immediately What?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Hallelujah. Hallelujah. There we go.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

Thinking, I know the answer to this question, Mike. Jew comes from Judah. Judah was a tribe of Israel. And so when you say Jew, you're referring to someone who's of the tribe of Judah, of the descendants of Israel. And so that's how it's understood. That's how often people today will say that's what Jew means. Um, actually, even before the New Testament, by the end of the Old Testament, it was not being used that way. It was, or not exclusively that way. It was also being used to refer to anybody who was a descendant of Abraham. Um, let's see, uh, you know, like of the promise, you might say, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, right? So let me go to uh Jeremiah 34, 9 and show you this verse. It says here that um I'll get all the context here, but it says everyone should set free his Hebrew slaves. Now, the word Hebrew here is referring to any descendant of Abraham along that line, right? It's gonna be all of them, it's not just one of the tribes, it's not a Benjamin, it's not Judah, for instance. But it goes on, it says, sets free as Hebrew slaves, male and female, so that no one should enslave a Jew, his brother. So Hebrew and Jew in Jeremiah 34, 9 are being used synonymously. That is Old Testament, this is before the New Testament, it has already turned out this way. Now, words do change over time. The usage of a term, the way that it's applied, it changes over time. That's true. And while there are times where Jew, coming from Judah, refers to a smaller group of people, it eventually just comes to embrace all of them, all of the Israelites. Now, there's another myth here with the Old Testament, and that is the idea that Judah is just tribal. Um, it wasn't just tribal, Judah was referring to so when when when they entered the land, they're one nation, right? Later they split in King Solomon's time or just after Solomon's time, they split, right? His son's time. Um, and there's a northern kingdom called Israel and a southern kingdom called Judah. And now you get the term Jew could refer to someone from the southern kingdom. They may or may not be of the tribe of Judah, but the royal house is of the tribe of Judah in that southern kingdom. So your allegiance is to the Judaic king, David or his descendants. And then you've got the northern kingdom, which are a bunch of knucklehead kings, and uh, well, there's knuckleheads on all sides, as there are today in politics. But Israelite would be, you would think Israel's referring to the north, Jews referring to more of the south, and later on they just merge. They're using the term synonymously. Okay, that's Old Testament. Let's look at the New Testament. The first time the word Jew is used in the New Testament is Matthew 2 2, where it says, not Matthew 22, Matthew 2, 2. It says the following. Um where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose, and we've come to worship him. This is the magi speaking here, the wise men you may have heard them referred to as. These guys are saying, Where's Jesus? He is the king of who? The Jews. Now they were not claiming, obviously, that Jesus was just the king of the Judaic, or the I shouldn't use that word here in this its context. The king of those who are of the house of Judah. No, he indeed he's a king of the house of Judah, but he's the king of all of them. Every single person that is the descendant of Abraham, he's the rightful king, uh, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, down that line. So we we look through this and we go, yeah, Jesus is a Jew, and Jew is an inclusive term that refers to a very large group of people, not a tribe or a smaller gathering. We also see in the New Testament that Jew and Israelite are used synonymously. Here is Romans 11:1, where um Paul refers to himself as an Israelite. He said, Has God rejected his people? By no means. I for I myself am an Israelite. Okay, so he's not just meaning the northern kingdom or something, he's talking about the broader sense: a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. Okay, so if he's Benjamin, that's southern kingdom, and he uses Israelite. All right, so they're just used as inclusive terms. And numerous times Paul refers to himself as a Jew. He does this uh a number of times. Uh it's it's not uncommon for Paul. So the Jew, the term New Testament initially, the term Jew, just refers to anybody in that genetic category, and it refers to them a lot. The most common usage of the term Jew in the New Testament is just to refer to I would call it a genetic category, right? Like you're of the descendants, you're part of that um that national identity, even though there's times where they don't have their own national borders and land and stuff like that, but still they have that identity, that's who they are. Jew, Israelite, synonymous terms. But we get the following in Galatians. There's gonna be a couple people wondering about this. Galatians chapter 3, verse 27, starting there, it says, For as many of you as were baptized into Christ, have put on Christ. Now that's a very Jewish term, isn't it? Christ. That's Messiah, right? That when you've been baptized into the Jewish Savior, and you've put on Christ, therefore, then he says in 28, there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and fem, no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And then it goes on even something stronger, it says, And if you are Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise. And this is where we get discussions about like replacement theology. I don't want to get fully into that, like a whole thing on that just for the Q ⁇ A today, but um but replacement theology, which which has some elements of truth in it, and and I know there are those who are radically offended by the demoniker replacement theology, like you get angry, and you gotta calm down. Okay, just relax. Like I just I'm just trying to have a word to describe it because if you just say covenant theology, this is a big in-house thing here. If you say covenant theology, you're you're actually saying something much larger than the thing we're trying to talk about. We're talking about one aspect of something.

SPEAKER_01 9:02

Okay, so is everybody following what he's saying with that? Basically, uh covenant theology believes that like the church is the new Jewish people. I think dispensationalists, I believe it's dispensationalists, believe that the Jews, like the Abrahamic covenant still applies. And uh what else? Yeah, I think that's basically what he's mentioning. He's calling it replacement theology instead of covenant theology.

SPEAKER_03 9:30

So as long as we follow Jesus, we're all Jews.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

Yeah, by like replacement theology's understanding of it. I kind of like replacement theology better because covenant theology, I always originally I always understood that to be like what I've talked about in the past, conditional versus unconditional covenants. Um apparently that's something different than what this covenant theology is referring to. This covenant theology is like basically instead of like it's basically like there's different covenants that act almost like ages or something like that. So basically the atomist let me just let me just look it up really quick. Uh hang on here. I apologize for being somewhat unprepared on this, but we're doing it live. Uh yeah, because this was something that's been tripping me up for a long time. And I've been trying to, while he was talking, I'll confess I was trying to fix our chat because something screwed up with our chat. So I've been tracking this close. Um what is covenant theology theology, theology, or replacement theology.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

I don't know. I think giving all this stuff names all irritating.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

Well, for a long time I've been like, what in the world is like the problem? Because it sounds to me like they kind of go on top of each other. Like you have the Jewish age and the church age, and there's gonna be the end times. And I never understood like the difference between the two, but I think what it's amounting to is uh basically like whether or not the church is the chosen people or whether the Jews are still the chosen people. I think that's what they're arguing about.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

It's everybody claiming making a claim within Zionism.

SPEAKER_01 11:44

Well, Zionism is about like the land claim. So that like that's it's kind of tied into this.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

I don't believe that.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

What do you think Zionism's about?

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Zionism is about um like a group of people being the chosen um ministers of the word in the end times. And so like all these different groups, like Latter-day Saints or Mormons or Jews or like all these different people all think that they're the special race of people. That's Zionism.

SPEAKER_01 12:26

See, I was under a completely different pressure. I was taught that Zionism kind of comes out of the late 1800s, and it's this idea that the Jewish people are gonna reclaim that land, and anybody who's for that's like a Zionist, anybody who's against that something else.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

So I mean like Revelation talks about man Mount Zion coming down, and people have always laid claim to uh you know, being being part of that.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

Okay, I think I've got a good graph to kind of explain this, I think.

SPEAKER_02 13:03

I can't hear you, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Oh, I'm sorry. Uh I've got a graph that kind of loosely explains this. Of course, when you're just talking about these church definitions, like when you try to explain one, everybody's like, that's not right. Because nobody can ever agree on what a half this stuff is. But uh anyway, so you basically got, according to covenant theology, now I I would not consider myself in this camp. Like, not that I disagree with these covenants, like these covenants are real, but the idea that therefore the Jews are no longer the Jews, like I don't really agree with. But anyway, when I look at the reform movement and how they describe it, this is where I got with it. So you've got the covenant of works, that's uh Adam, and then you've got, or like a I guess everything starts out with a covenant of works, and then you've got the Adamic covenant, which is like, you know, Adam sins, and so now everybody's under a curse, right? Then you've got the Noadic or the Noadic, Noah, Noahic covenant, which um hello, beans to Calics, good to see ya. Good to see ya. Uh trying to fix the chat, man. We'll uh we'll try to get that done here in a second so we can see your comments. Uh anyway, so you've got Noah Covenant, and then you've got the Abrahamic covenant, the Mosaic Covenant, the Davidic covenant, and then the new covenant. Now I agree with all of that, but the problem is, is like for some reason people turn around and say that you know the Jews are no longer the Jews because we're in a new covenant, I think is the general idea. I wish somebody who understood covenant theology could come in here and explain it, but because I've done like a whole lot of homework on this, and I still have no idea what anybody's talking about.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

But Well, excuse me, excuse me, because I'm gonna sound like I'm oversimplifying this, but so to me the covenant thing is like like Jesus is the covenant that we that we use, right? So it's like the law is what the Jews follow. Like the Torah, they follow the law because they think they can do the law, like because they don't they don't believe in Jesus, right? So they don't they don't want his covenant, so they're gonna try to fulfill the law themselves. Like that's that's their whole religion, like that's that's all of it. So within within the covenant thing, like them keeping track of those covenants is like they're safeguards with God. It's like they're they're contracts with God to keep them safe from his wrath. Um and so like but we don't use any of that because we have Jesus. Like we're not trying to fulfill the law, so we don't need those covenants.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Yeah. Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

Um So it's all like hogwash silliness.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Well, I think what Mike Winger is gonna get at is that basically there were they were still considered Jews, even though you are right about how they viewed it. Like they were wrong to view it that way, but yeah, they were still considered Jews is what he's gonna eventually say. But Yeah, I think you're right. I'm sorry, I'm trying to fix this stupid chat, and it is just fighting me. Like nobody's business. Okay, but let's get back to the Mike Winger video, unless you wanna like have a final thought on that. Because I mean I I I I agree with what you're saying broadly, like it's kinda I don't know, pointless to even have these distinctions in a certain like it's good to know the covenants, but to sit there and make those kinds of inferences I don't think the the text supports that, but yeah, it's just me.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I mean, like you kind of have to feel like to really care about it, you kind of have to identify with it a little bit. It's like you just can't.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

I I don't I don't disagree with you. I don't disagree with you at all. So sorry, I we just need to start playing this video before I go back to monkeying with the chat, because I'm really trying to fix the chat here. There we go. Alright, so I'm just gonna I'm gonna play this and everybody just bear with me. I'm gonna try to fix this.

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Um, anyways, and not all covenant theologians would would even fit that category of of what we're talking about when we say that's replacement theology. Anyway, I would advocate that the term there needs to be some term to identify people with that view, but there's but it's like half right, it's like half true, I think, in my view. Because look, if I'm Christ, which I am, and I'm a Gentile who is Christ, so now I'm Abraham's offspring, in what sense I'm heirs according to the promise, to promise. Now, what was the promise? You know, you you're gonna be the father of many, um, many nations. We're grafted in, is the theology. I'm grafted in, and so in Christ, based on Galatians, there is no Jew or Gentile. Does that mean that um if you are a Jew today who is a Christian, you are no you're no longer a Jew? Or if you're a Gentile who is a Christian, you are no longer a Gentile? Is that what it is? Is it saying something that extreme? I would argue no, and we can see this because Galatians also says the following same book, Galatians 2, Paul talking to Peter about some issues. Um, and he's gonna affirm that there still is this Jew and Gentile terminology that applies to people who are Christians. And so let me let me just say what I'm saying here is as pertains to salvation, in a sense, there's no Jew or Gentile. In another sense, there is. And that's just how the New Testament deals with the terms. It uses the term Jew to refer to unsaved Jews and to saved Jews, but makes very clear that as refer as regards your salvation, like how you get saved, it's not by being Jew or being Gentile, and you don't go from Gentile to Jew or Jew to Gentile, you just get into Jesus Christ and you are in all of the promises of God. And if that seems like it's hard to process, that's what the New Testament gives us. So let me look at this passage here. But when Cephas, that's Peter, came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face because he stood condemned. And you're gonna be like, why is Paul opposing Peter if you're not familiar with this passage? Well, he's gonna describe it right here. He did this thing that felt I say felt it signaled to the Gentile Christians that they were somehow not fully in Christ. Um, so verse 12 says, For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles, but when they came, he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. So these guys go from James. Doesn't mean that everything they do is approved by James and stuff like that, but they're coming from Jerusalem, right? And he separates, and you will no longer eat with the Gentiles. He's falling into the old Jewish tradition of you don't eat with Gentiles, you don't eat anything unclean, and you don't eat with people who are unclean, right? So this is something you don't do. So he does this because he fears the circumcision party. He's worried about what they think. Verse 13, and the rest of the Jews acted hypocritically along with him, so that even Barnabas was led astray by their hypocrisy. The rest of the what? The Jews. Paul affirms a Jewish, uniquely Jewish identity that still exists for a group of people who are actually Christians. The rest of the Jews. So Paul, Peter is included as a Jew, and the rest of the Jews, the other ones like him, did the same thing. And they separated from who? From the Gentiles. So there's a Jewish and Gentile distinction that Paul thinks is worth maintaining even post-understanding the gospel, even in the same letter where he says there's no Jew or Greek. So it's complicated. Yeah. In Christ there's no Jew or Greek, but that doesn't mean we're saying we completely wipe out these distinctions in every respect. We're just saying, as far as getting saved goes, being Jew or Greek Gentile doesn't matter. It has no effect on that salvation. Just like we don't wipe out male and female roles in marriage, it's just make men and women get saved the same way through Jesus. We don't wipe out uh master and slave distinctions, even, although we may advocate against those things. We're not we're not saying they simply don't exist. They're still like employees, for instance, and employers, and you're given instructions on on honoring God in your work and honoring God in the way that you treat those under you. Um So those distinctions exist. They just don't have any relationship to our salvation. I think that makes a lot of sense. I'll read a little bit more. So uh Peter pulls back verse 13, the other Jews they're led up, even Barnabas is led astray by their hypocrisy. And he calls it hypocrisy because, you know, they know the gospel's true. They're just doing something that's not consistent with the gospel. Their actions are coming against the gospel. But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, if you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews? His entire objection to Peter is based on the idea that Jew and Gentile still have meaning, even within a Christian context. Now he's not creating separation between us, like we're part of a different body of believers, or we have different paths of salvation. That would be a heresy. He's just saying these distinctions do matter, but not as it pertains to salvation. That's how I think the term is used, Jew is used usually in the New Testament. It's referring to people who are that genetic thing going on. There are believing Jews and there are non-believing Jews in the New Testament, because there are some who think you can no longer use the term Jew to refer to somebody after Christ, after Christ dies and rises, he initiates the church. You can no longer refer to a Jew as a Jew if they are not actually in Christ. That's their view. But that's not the New Testament. It's not how it uses the word. So Colossians 1 23, it says, um, is that what I wanted? That is not what I wanted. Oh, I may have uh oh boy, now I've lost where that verse was. I wrote down the wrong reference. Maybe I'll think of it. There is a um give me a second, maybe I can find it. Um trying to think of the wording of the text. There's two verses back to back that give us um. The idea that there are some Jews who believe and there are some Jews who don't believe.

SPEAKER_02 24:17

Um Yes, sir. Does it get into what it means today? Not what it meant back then?

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Uh no, it sticks with just the New Testament and what it was like basically his argument against the replacement theology thing is uh they still made uh distinctions between Jews who believed and Jews who don't believe, so therefore they were still considered Jews. The church hadn't replaced them. That's like where all that's going. So I think I exited out, didn't I? Crap.

SPEAKER_02 24:50

It's like the it's like there's always like this there's always like this this binary within it. It's like a cop out. I don't know, it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 25:00

Why is a binary a cop out?

SPEAKER_02 25:05

Because you can pick pick either side based on who you're talking to to appease it.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yeah, but what if you have a legitimate opinion though? Does that make it a cop out, or is it like fair if the opinion is real?

SPEAKER_02 25:24

I mean you can have a real opinion, but it's like it can be used as a cop-out.

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Yeah, I mean it can be, but I mean anything can be, so I I don't I don't guess I don't have an issue with there being such a thing as Jews.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Identify, identify, like I'll identify as white, you know, like yeah, we have methods, we have, but I'm not gonna be like, oh well, I'm I'm this kind of white person, not that kind of like white person. You know, it's like no just identify as what you are if that's what you want to do.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

I think I understand what you're saying. So like your aggravation is just the willingness for people to take like an identity at all. Like I I mean I'm not being derogatory, I think.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Yeah, I yeah, like like just stand in your boots, man.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Like I understand what you're saying. Um, you know, I'm Scottish, but I hate golf. I mean, you know. So I mean I don't only a true Scotsman. Yeah, yeah. You know, I I wouldn't be caught dead in a kilt. I wouldn't subject humanity to me in a kilt. So um no, I understand what you're saying. Uh I like the way the founders, you know, viewed America. You know, we're a people with a creed. You know, what gives us our inherent value is the fact that we have a creed. All men are created equal, endowed with certain inalienable rights. So our den our identity was our creed, as it were, not our blood or some superficial thing that we had nothing to do with. You know, I like that. Um I think the Jews are kind of in a unique place because their culture was uh used to basically isolate them from the rest of the world to protect the bloodline of the Messiah. I think they had a very specific role in history. I think they're in a kind of a unique cultural situation. But I understand what you're saying, and I would certainly apply that for myself. You know, I don't have any interest in being Cherokee or Scottish or German or anything like that. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Um, so I don't know. Um I I've started uh I think I'm gonna call them Sadducees. If we're talking about the modern day Jews, then I'm calling them Sadducees because they don't believe in the Bible it says they don't believe in resurrection.

SPEAKER_01 28:02

I think it's fair.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

Yeah, I don't think they believe that that will be my distinctive uh label for that. Because the the term the term Jew in my opinion is just so watered down. Like it can mean literally anything now. And anybody can say they are that. Because you could be a grafted in Jew, or you could be a Ashkenazi, you got the Sephardic, you got the Messianic, you got there's so many different kinds. Like it's just a watered-down term. So if we're if we're talking about, you know, the Sadducees to me.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

I think you're right in a certain respect. Like, there's certainly like Christian, like black the liberation theology, they pretend to be the new Jewish people, like there's churches that pretend to be Jewish.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

Yeah, Elvis believed in the uh black Israelites.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Elvis?

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Yeah, why? I don't know. I think Johnny Cash might have too.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

That's very strange. It seems like you'd be starting out out of luck. So a little too little me too too little melanin to you know enter those ranks, but okay. So anyway. Well, Trevor, you've been awfully quiet. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 29:21

I don't know. Ben Shapiro. There you go.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Did you say Ben Shapiro? What about Ben Shapiro? Don't make me angry, Trevor.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Oh, just you it's like it's like Mitch say Ben Shapiro three times fast, and we'll throw Cody into a rage.

SPEAKER_03 29:37

No, but when I hear when I hear what is a Jew, I'm like, uh Ben Shapiro. There's a ticket.

SPEAKER_02 29:43

Ben Shapiro.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

That's that's all I got.

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:48

That's called a stereotype, you racist. No.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

No, Ben Shapiro is a warmonger. He deserves every bit of sadesty.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

I don't know if he's a warmonger. I don't know if I'm gonna go that far. But uh he does aggravate me as well on a variety of things, so but we won't dwell on that for now. Unless there's something else you're wanting to talk about.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

No, sir. I'm good.

unknown 30:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:20

I have said my piece.

SPEAKER_01 30:22

Yeah, I apologize for deleting or turning off the Mike Winger video halfway through. I didn't realize I'd done that. I'm having zero luck with this chat and getting it fixed. I don't know what the bloody problem is.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

I didn't even realize you turned the video off, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:38

Well, it's because our uh conversation was so engaging.

SPEAKER_03 30:40

So uh just hit the back button. I think you just went forward on accident.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Well, it's alright. We got we're we've done our 30 minutes on this subject. I think we're ready to go on to the next thing. Unless you unless we just want to keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 30:55

Nah, it's all right.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

Because we didn't get to the synagogue of Satan, we didn't get into how the Jews today know they're Jews, like we didn't get into any of that. And I feel like those are all in-depth conversations by themselves. So maybe for another episode then. Maybe. Or maybe somebody in the chat can tell us what they'd like us to talk about because we're kind of. I didn't want to talk about it because everybody's talking about it, but then I was like, I really need to feed the algorithm. I guess we'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_02 31:26

What's our timestamp?

SPEAKER_01 31:28

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